@@Leafsdude At a minimum I see Joe Woll as a legit backup. That said, the Leafs will still need a second goalie not currently under contract to them. Of goalies who I hope the Leafs bring back or otherwise under contract to them: - Martin Jones is a pending unrestricted free agent although hopefully, for a sub-US$1-million per-season cap hit for up to 2 seasons, Treliving will re-sign said goalie - Artur Akhtyamov was loaned, during the 2023-24 NHL season, to the KHL and VHL clubs for which he had then been playing, and up to through this month had yet to play an NHL non-preseason game (NPG) - Vyacheslav Peksa, during the Leafs’ most recent season, also didn’t play NHL NPG, playing any NPG with the van soon to be defunct Newfoundland Growlers of the ECHL - Keith Petruzzelli is a restricted free agent with arbitration rights provided the Leafs give him a qualifying offer but has yet to play in an NHL NPG despite having dressed for quite a few in November 2022 - Dennis “The Hildebeast” Hildeby has outside his homeland (Sweden), at least following the 2014-15 NHL season, only played 10 or more NPGs in ONE season: the AHL one that for the Toronto Marlies ended by last month In a nutshell the Leafs have two goalies under contract to them, with the Growlers having folded early in April, via the Marlies. As goalies of course don’t grow on trees, the Leafs could draft some more of them. Woll, who they drafted, helped them stay in their most recent playoff series for longer than they might otherwise have. That said, goaltending isn’t everything because if it were, the Canucks and Winnipeg Jets likely would have, in more of the past 4-5 seasons, gotten much closer to Stanley Cup finals than they did. Last postseason: - Connor Hellebuyck allowed a lot of ugly goals but by no means was he the ONLY reason the Jets had: - gone 1-4 - allowed, in each of those games, at least 5 goals (4 excluding empty-netters), resulting in an active 9-game streak during which they would end up having allowed at least 4 goals - Jets, then-head coach Rick Bowness, in just one game, pulled Hellebuyck in favour of then-pending unrestricted free agent Laurent Brossoit - the Canucks respectively used and dressed 3 (Thatcher Demko, Casey DeSmith and Arturs Šilovs) and 1 (Nikita Tolopilo) goalies in large part because 2 of them (Demko and DeSmith) got injured and didn’t play anywhere near as many games as just 1 of them (Šilovs, who liked Demko they had drafted) - the Oilers used their 2 main goalies (Stu Skinner and Cal Pickard [the latter of whom late during the last full week of June they signed to a 2-season US$2-million contract to go into effect next month) after having taken into account their non-use of Jack Campbell at the NHL level from last November, when they had waived him (sending him down to the Bakersfield Condors of the AHL after no non-Oilers NHL team had claimed him), to this month I would no doubt like to believe the Leafs have quality goaltending depth but considering that under Kyle Dubas as GM, not enough free-agent signings worked out, it still remains unclear what quality of goalies believes will manage to acquire through free agency should they manage to acquire at least one.
That's the problem with Adam's argument. The only way you get players on bargain deals. You have to risk giving them a little bit more money earlier than you expected. Leafs management doesn't usually do this. Only other time I remember is Nylander and people bitched about that deal in the beginning too. But that was a huge discount for what he brought in hindsight 😂
Post draft the one shocking thing to me is they didnt go and get Logan thompson for how cheap he was. Thompson is only 27 he could have been a medium term answer and would give more leverage in woll negotiations
It's not the first time Weekes just spoke out of his ass about something that no one else ever managed to confirm. Last year it sure looked like something was going on with Linus Ullmark in the playoffs. He wasn't moving right after game 1. It seemed like he got the sickness that was going around the team at the time. Weekes reported Ullmark was hurt and fans were going to be shocked to find out how bad. No surgery. No reports of rehab. Radio silence. Sure didn't seem like Ullmark was hurt. Sure seemed like Weekes thought he saw something that looked like the player was injured and wanting a scoop he incorrectly reported something. In most sports doing something like that would be a big issue. But in the NHL for whatever reason no matter how bad a media persons track record is it never seems to come with consequences.
No way your getting both, tanev will probably want 6.5-7.5 with the new contracts looming toronto isn’t going to be able to drop 12-13 million in 2 dman. Unless there going to move someone on that roster that takes up cap
The issue with earn it first, is that if he earns it... it's not going to be 3.5M, its going to be a whole lot more. Thus this contract is in-between reaching potential and being injured.
Completely unrelated to this but why did TML not offer more to VGK for Thompson Two 3rds , he wouild be a stellar 1B at 776 K and allow us cap room we need so bad!
You have LTIR and I think anyone with any hockey sense knows that Woll healthy is absolutely a top-30 goalie in the league. It's not a risk on the cap for the rich among rich Leafs to throw cash at this guy.
I'd ramp it up year after year he's at 775,000 now ..year 1 extension 1.5 years (2) 2.5 years (3) 3.5/ 4 ..he has to prove he can play and stay healthy
Did anybody see the day 2 draft? They purposely avoided talking about any Leaf draft pick. It was so blatantly obvious, it actually made me sick. No info or insights on any of their picks. SMH.
@@ClayBall-im1km They talked about mostly all picks. Except Leafs picks, regardless of round. It was sooooo obvious. Leafs even had 3 picks within 6 picks and not 1 guy was discussed but all the ones before, in between and after were. If you can watch it again, you'd see.
The only thing I can give them the benefit of the doubt on is perhaps those picks were off the board and they didn't have much info on them. They talked about maybe 2 of the 7 picks the Leafs had today, and one of those the guy was accidentally waxing poetic about his brother who plays for London, not the one the Leafs took!
The real question is which genius thought they should do this before the year starts! Could have at least let Woll start play his first 20 games out say 25 and if no injury and he continues to do well THEN you offer a extension. They serioulsy think in the start of the season Woll will play so well he increses his value that much to make this deal make sense at all? Either they look like a genius or a moron! Seems like Shanahan mentallity !
Woll is the future of our net, he doesn't spook easily and is composed. We will win with J,Woll. Get used to him he will be around along time. Peace ✌️ 😎.
@@donniedoesdishes He fills the hole back there now, today. If he has 2 good years left in him he is the right guy at the right time for us. If you can show me a better option we'd probably take it. He is going to make a difference and that is what we need NOW>
@@jamesbruce8749 what hole does he fill ?he is 34 always hurt and has no leadership qualities at all and never won nothing , and leaf fans dont understand why they cant win
@@donniedoesdishes People have been saying that since he was 30, he is a shut down guy and a solid defender that will gather up pucks and make the second and 3rd attempts unavailable. Like I said the hole we need filled. He is better then all of our current defense at that job. He is exactly what Chief and Trig want the defense to look like. He should make the whole defense core around him better.
@@jamesbruce8749 just like old man gio was going to do , he has achieved nothing and brings nothing but slow , bringing over the hill players and overpaying players who have failed , just like treliving , leaf fans are such fools
In a perfect world, every player you sign should have to earn their contract, but it's not a perfect world. Sometimes you have to bet on a player becoming worth what you pay him. If Woll is lights out, the alleged contract extension will be a bargain. If he regresses or gets injured again, or both, it will be a bad deal. It's as simple as that, unfortunately.
The fact that no one else has this story… it’s quite sus. We’ll see how this plays out, but I’m not going to overreact to news none of the top insiders are reporting
Goalies don't mature until 27 through 35 is about the average and he is just coming into form. Peace ✌️ 😎. You sign guys when it's to your benefit. Like Now.
I feel the same about the Pettersson contract in Vancouver (though, certainly, a MUCH higher sample size)... But The Canucks just paid him to be the 5TH HIGHEST PAID PLAYER IN THE NHL !?!?!?! In what universe has he proven that he should be that? Only a quantum alternate one, in anyone's opinion (or should be). 1 great season... 2 seasons ago. Vancouver F'ed their salary structure up royally with this... And I don't understand why they think they had to.
I think there should be a lot more discussion about who the hell is backing up Woll for when he inevitably goes down. If you think it's bad last year, oh boy, wait until the leafs get mid season without a reliable backup.
Stupid question, why the leafs don’t take the rights for c.hart . When he is innocent he can play for a cheap contract When he is quilty they can terminate his contract
Woll will make a great back up. Leafs need a starter if they have a chance at success. Woll cannot be the starter; he'll get injured and unlike teams like the Canucks, there's no goalie prospect.
Woll may have only played 30-some NHL games, but if you add that to his AHL record, it’s pretty impressive. Many will say that the AHL isn’t the same, but that’s where most NHL goaltenders develop and earn their shot.
As a mailman who plays D in beer league hockey I am willing to sign and play for league minimum to bring the Stanley Cup back to the Leafs....did I mention I also shoot right?!??
Yes let’s sign Woll to Shesterkin/Ullmark type of salary for accomplishing nothing and being injury prone. Sounds like the Leafs to me (Leaf’s fan) 😭😭😭
We need a starting goalie who we know can steal games, not go into the season with someone who we think can potentially be that someday. Stop wasting every year. They go through goalies like they do coaches. It's embarrassing.
I mean I’m not that happy. But he is cheap. He may be able to push through and play amazing but I think it’s unlikely. A good 2nd in my opinion. We need a star Tender.
Why does everyone want the leafs to always make players play on a prove it deal then ask them to take team friendly deals?!?!?! You get one or the other. You either get risk and cheaper, or less risk and more money. Stop pretending these guys owe the maple leafs anything.
Did it ever occur to any of you that maybe it was not just poor coaching but the terrible defense the Leafs have had these past few years as to why the forwards couldn't produce? maybe they were too tired to drive offense after having to defend so hard due to poor defenseman? could it be our defenseman couldn't get pucks to the net in the O'zone? you all seem to forget just how bad the Leafs were defensively and that takes away from offense.. try maybe looking at the big picture instead of just numbers because numbers don't tell the entire story by a long shot... anyone who thinks trading Marner is going to fix the Leafs offense in the Playoffs is a fool.
do the comparable young Golies Thais contract right on par don't look at skaters look at Jake Otenger same game Boston Golie same contract same amount of games it is what the league pays Golies
Lmao Buddy, look at Boston, swayman wanted 5-6 million now he probably gonna get 7.5-8, because we waited, you guys have no starter, woll is the guy, we have rask money before we even knew he could be the guy, I roast the leafs when I can being a bruins fan, but woll almost stole that series from us if he gets formidable defensive play he’ll be a top 12-15ish goalie which for there contact structure is about as good as you can ask because those guys can elevate to that top 7-8 level if they get hot, leafs aren’t going to crack a top 7-8 goalie there all locked up on roasters. And there mostly all young
Acting like this for 3.66M AAV is insane, relax Adam. His "earn it first" ideology is why the leafs have no cap space, is because they DON'T take risks, you say you get it but you don't.
Was he not drafted the same year as Austin Matthews? Understanding that sometimes goalies may take longer to develop...his durability is way too high risk to think that somehow he can be a number 1. His numbers are very good But, that's a small sample size.
No one is a winner until they win. People said this about Yzerman, Modano, Ovie more recently. Dudes got at least ten more years to try and figure it out. Look how long it took Ray Borque
It's such a stupid rule that you have to wait until July 1st to extend your own player.
keep him to continue to prove himself. he honestly could be a good starting goalie choice if he can stay healthy
Indeed. Calm, good positionally, has reflexes and athleticism. Health is the _only_ question mark.
@@Leafsdude At a minimum I see Joe Woll as a legit backup. That said, the Leafs will still need a second goalie not currently under contract to them. Of goalies who I hope the Leafs bring back or otherwise under contract to them:
- Martin Jones is a pending unrestricted free agent although hopefully, for a sub-US$1-million per-season cap hit for up to 2 seasons, Treliving will re-sign said goalie
- Artur Akhtyamov was loaned, during the 2023-24 NHL season, to the KHL and VHL clubs for which he had then been playing, and up to through this month had yet to play an NHL non-preseason game (NPG)
- Vyacheslav Peksa, during the Leafs’ most recent season, also didn’t play NHL NPG, playing any NPG with the van soon to be defunct Newfoundland Growlers of the ECHL
- Keith Petruzzelli is a restricted free agent with arbitration rights provided the Leafs give him a qualifying offer but has yet to play in an NHL NPG despite having dressed for quite a few in November 2022
- Dennis “The Hildebeast” Hildeby has outside his homeland (Sweden), at least following the 2014-15 NHL season, only played 10 or more NPGs in ONE season: the AHL one that for the Toronto Marlies ended by last month
In a nutshell the Leafs have two goalies under contract to them, with the Growlers having folded early in April, via the Marlies. As goalies of course don’t grow on trees, the Leafs could draft some more of them. Woll, who they drafted, helped them stay in their most recent playoff series for longer than they might otherwise have. That said, goaltending isn’t everything because if it were, the Canucks and Winnipeg Jets likely would have, in more of the past 4-5 seasons, gotten much closer to Stanley Cup finals than they did. Last postseason:
- Connor Hellebuyck allowed a lot of ugly goals but by no means was he the ONLY reason the Jets had:
- gone 1-4
- allowed, in each of those games, at least 5 goals (4 excluding empty-netters), resulting in an active 9-game streak during which they would end up having allowed at least 4 goals
- Jets, then-head coach Rick Bowness, in just one game, pulled Hellebuyck in favour of then-pending unrestricted free agent Laurent Brossoit
- the Canucks respectively used and dressed 3 (Thatcher Demko, Casey DeSmith and Arturs Šilovs) and 1 (Nikita Tolopilo) goalies in large part because 2 of them (Demko and DeSmith) got injured and didn’t play anywhere near as many games as just 1 of them (Šilovs, who liked Demko they had drafted)
- the Oilers used their 2 main goalies (Stu Skinner and Cal Pickard [the latter of whom late during the last full week of June they signed to a 2-season US$2-million contract to go into effect next month) after having taken into account their non-use of Jack Campbell at the NHL level from last November, when they had waived him (sending him down to the Bakersfield Condors of the AHL after no non-Oilers NHL team had claimed him), to this month
I would no doubt like to believe the Leafs have quality goaltending depth but considering that under Kyle Dubas as GM, not enough free-agent signings worked out, it still remains unclear what quality of goalies believes will manage to acquire through free agency should they manage to acquire at least one.
Logan Thompson went for a song...where was Treliving?
Working on Tanev.
Leafs dont have the draft capital for all of that
That's the problem with Adam's argument. The only way you get players on bargain deals. You have to risk giving them a little bit more money earlier than you expected. Leafs management doesn't usually do this. Only other time I remember is Nylander and people bitched about that deal in the beginning too. But that was a huge discount for what he brought in hindsight 😂
Post draft the one shocking thing to me is they didnt go and get Logan thompson for how cheap he was. Thompson is only 27 he could have been a medium term answer and would give more leverage in woll negotiations
At 3.5M ish with term, it's a gamble worth making for the Leafs.
It's not the first time Weekes just spoke out of his ass about something that no one else ever managed to confirm. Last year it sure looked like something was going on with Linus Ullmark in the playoffs. He wasn't moving right after game 1. It seemed like he got the sickness that was going around the team at the time. Weekes reported Ullmark was hurt and fans were going to be shocked to find out how bad. No surgery. No reports of rehab. Radio silence. Sure didn't seem like Ullmark was hurt. Sure seemed like Weekes thought he saw something that looked like the player was injured and wanting a scoop he incorrectly reported something. In most sports doing something like that would be a big issue. But in the NHL for whatever reason no matter how bad a media persons track record is it never seems to come with consequences.
The kid is incredible he just has to stay healthy... Go Leafs Go, Tanev and zadorov on Monday please❤
we now have Tanev's rights to sign him before monday
@@hurtlocker6611 awesome!!!
No way your getting both, tanev will probably want 6.5-7.5 with the new contracts looming toronto isn’t going to be able to drop 12-13 million in 2 dman. Unless there going to move someone on that roster that takes up cap
Tanev will be overpaid or he goes to the highest bidder. Ditto with Zadorov.
This franchise loves to waste money and spend foolishly. It's so frustrating
The issue with earn it first, is that if he earns it... it's not going to be 3.5M, its going to be a whole lot more. Thus this contract is in-between reaching potential and being injured.
Completely unrelated to this but why did TML not offer more to VGK for Thompson Two 3rds , he wouild be a stellar 1B at 776 K and allow us cap room we need so bad!
Great 1 B goalie numbers on stats and pay for that matter.
Because
why would they? brossoit is free
@@ThePalisky "Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"...he has to choose to come to the Leaf's.
@@stephenphillips6245 there is also talbot and stolarz it's dumb to give up assets for a goalie that's similar caliber to these guys anyways
Lmao the 3 on 3. Madman
i remember the video. Steve had the monkeyest look on his face and now looking back on it...its so hilarious!
You have LTIR and I think anyone with any hockey sense knows that Woll healthy is absolutely a top-30 goalie in the league. It's not a risk on the cap for the rich among rich Leafs to throw cash at this guy.
Woll will get hurt in October and will not be around until January. So that is money down the drain.
Everything points to him being a good goalie. Sign him at 3.5/3.75 for 3 years.
I'd ramp it up year after year he's at 775,000 now ..year 1 extension 1.5 years (2) 2.5 years (3) 3.5/ 4 ..he has to prove he can play and stay healthy
@@ksteele8388don’t really matter whatever way you slice it his cap hit will be 3.5 million no matter if you split it up year by year
@@ksteele8388 Agree. $4 million (or even $3.5) is too much straight off.
@@ksteele8388If he proves himself first, he will cost 5+ instead.
Did anybody see the day 2 draft? They purposely avoided talking about any Leaf draft pick. It was so blatantly obvious, it actually made me sick. No info or insights on any of their picks. SMH.
It's not like they had a lot to talk about.
They did well with their number 1 pick.
They had a forth
A couple of 5ths
And a gazillion 7th round picks
@@ClayBall-im1km They talked about mostly all picks. Except Leafs picks, regardless of round. It was sooooo obvious. Leafs even had 3 picks within 6 picks and not 1 guy was discussed but all the ones before, in between and after were. If you can watch it again, you'd see.
The only thing I can give them the benefit of the doubt on is perhaps those picks were off the board and they didn't have much info on them. They talked about maybe 2 of the 7 picks the Leafs had today, and one of those the guy was accidentally waxing poetic about his brother who plays for London, not the one the Leafs took!
The real question is which genius thought they should do this before the year starts!
Could have at least let Woll start play his first 20 games out say 25 and if no injury and he continues to do well THEN you offer a extension.
They serioulsy think in the start of the season Woll will play so well he increses his value that much to make this deal make sense at all?
Either they look like a genius or a moron!
Seems like Shanahan mentallity !
Woll is the future of our net, he doesn't spook easily and is composed. We will win with J,Woll. Get used to him he will be around along time. Peace ✌️ 😎.
Adam is forgetting, the leafs can’t afford Woll to the earn it type deal of 5M+. So they’re hedging their bets
It's the way of the leafs to pay players before they earn it
Tanev will be overpaid. Otherwise, he's going somewhere else.
Watching this and the Tanev signing/rights pops on my Sportsnet app....Let's GO!!!!
tanev another old slow never won nothing overpaid by the leafs player
@@donniedoesdishes He fills the hole back there now, today. If he has 2 good years left in him he is the right guy at the right time for us. If you can show me a better option we'd probably take it. He is going to make a difference and that is what we need NOW>
@@jamesbruce8749 what hole does he fill ?he is 34 always hurt and has no leadership qualities at all and never won nothing , and leaf fans dont understand why they cant win
@@donniedoesdishes People have been saying that since he was 30, he is a shut down guy and a solid defender that will gather up pucks and make the second and 3rd attempts unavailable. Like I said the hole we need filled. He is better then all of our current defense at that job. He is exactly what Chief and Trig want the defense to look like. He should make the whole defense core around him better.
@@jamesbruce8749 just like old man gio was going to do , he has achieved nothing and brings nothing but slow , bringing over the hill players and overpaying players who have failed , just like treliving , leaf fans are such fools
That’s brilliant, Woll is like a great movie trailer! He makes me want to watch too….but we’ll see.
It's a bit risky but if he plays 40 to 50 games this year and does well, it becomes a very good deal.
It'll backfire once he regresses and gets hurt
In a perfect world, every player you sign should have to earn their contract, but it's not a perfect world. Sometimes you have to bet on a player becoming worth what you pay him. If Woll is lights out, the alleged contract extension will be a bargain. If he regresses or gets injured again, or both, it will be a bad deal. It's as simple as that, unfortunately.
I agree with Adam.
The fact that no one else has this story… it’s quite sus. We’ll see how this plays out, but I’m not going to overreact to news none of the top insiders are reporting
Goalies don't mature until 27 through 35 is about the average and he is just coming into form. Peace ✌️ 😎. You sign guys when it's to your benefit. Like Now.
I feel the same about the Pettersson contract in Vancouver (though, certainly, a MUCH higher sample size)... But The Canucks just paid him to be the 5TH HIGHEST PAID PLAYER IN THE NHL !?!?!?! In what universe has he proven that he should be that? Only a quantum alternate one, in anyone's opinion (or should be). 1 great season... 2 seasons ago. Vancouver F'ed their salary structure up royally with this... And I don't understand why they think they had to.
I think there should be a lot more discussion about who the hell is backing up Woll for when he inevitably goes down. If you think it's bad last year, oh boy, wait until the leafs get mid season without a reliable backup.
Woll would be gold if he didnt get injured multiple times a season.
He's got the whole summer to get even healthier everyone forgets that also 🙄☹️
Anything other than Samsonov good grief he was a nightmare
That contract has to be backloaded...make him show you he's the guy and is durable.
Leafs really love overpaying their players for some reason, and never the ones that are worth overpaying.
Tanev will be overpaid. Count on it.
Stupid question, why the leafs don’t take the rights for c.hart . When he is innocent he can play for a cheap contract
When he is quilty they can terminate his contract
Woll will make a great back up. Leafs need a starter if they have a chance at success. Woll cannot be the starter; he'll get injured and unlike teams like the Canucks, there's no goalie prospect.
Woll may have only played 30-some NHL games, but if you add that to his AHL record, it’s pretty impressive. Many will say that the AHL isn’t the same, but that’s where most NHL goaltenders develop and earn their shot.
As a mailman who plays D in beer league hockey I am willing to sign and play for league minimum to bring the Stanley Cup back to the Leafs....did I mention I also shoot right?!??
Yes let’s sign Woll to Shesterkin/Ullmark type of salary for accomplishing nothing and being injury prone. Sounds like the Leafs to me (Leaf’s fan) 😭😭😭
I agree
I take back any negative thing I have said about Jesse.
woll the next rick dipietro, the leafs continue to pay players for failure and hope
Adam is 100% correct. No one in Toronto gets their money after they’ve earned it 😂
We need a starting goalie who we know can steal games, not go into the season with someone who we think can potentially be that someday. Stop wasting every year. They go through goalies like they do coaches. It's embarrassing.
If you can get 25-30 games out of him 👍
You give him the Stuart Skinner contact 3 year at 2.5
I mean I’m not that happy. But he is cheap. He may be able to push through and play amazing but I think it’s unlikely. A good 2nd in my opinion. We need a star Tender.
He's good but I don't think he cares that much about a championship. "Winners always want the ball when the game is on the line"
Why does everyone want the leafs to always make players play on a prove it deal then ask them to take team friendly deals?!?!?! You get one or the other. You either get risk and cheaper, or less risk and more money. Stop pretending these guys owe the maple leafs anything.
they argue a lot now stop yapping at each others heels yall need a break
Call winnipeg for there backup immediately
And I mean this was there year to beat Boston handedly, now they have nearly 26 million to add 3-4 pieces and resign there all star goalie
Dude I know you're doubts, but what if it wirks and this dude plays 40-50 games?
Did it ever occur to any of you that maybe it was not just poor coaching but the terrible defense the Leafs have had these past few years as to why the forwards couldn't produce? maybe they were too tired to drive offense after having to defend so hard due to poor defenseman? could it be our defenseman couldn't get pucks to the net in the O'zone? you all seem to forget just how bad the Leafs were defensively and that takes away from offense.. try maybe looking at the big picture instead of just numbers because numbers don't tell the entire story by a long shot... anyone who thinks trading Marner is going to fix the Leafs offense in the Playoffs is a fool.
Decent goalie.
Ok number 2. Get starter.
every team in the Division has improved...Leafs need to improve or else...no playoffs,,
If he stays healthy… he is a franchise goalie. Big If though….
That's what they said about James Reimer. How did that work out?
do the comparable young Golies Thais contract right on par don't look at skaters look at Jake Otenger same game Boston Golie same contract same amount of games it is what the league pays Golies
Lmao Buddy, look at Boston, swayman wanted 5-6 million now he probably gonna get 7.5-8, because we waited, you guys have no starter, woll is the guy, we have rask money before we even knew he could be the guy, I roast the leafs when I can being a bruins fan, but woll almost stole that series from us if he gets formidable defensive play he’ll be a top 12-15ish goalie which for there contact structure is about as good as you can ask because those guys can elevate to that top 7-8 level if they get hot, leafs aren’t going to crack a top 7-8 goalie there all locked up on roasters. And there mostly all young
Pay woll and keep Marner and lose viewership and never ever win a Stanley Cup.
Lose viewership? That's a joke.
you got to be kidding right
Adam is right bad idea
Overpayed gets hurt so much 😅 good old leafs so dumb if that is true hope not .
Acting like this for 3.66M AAV is insane, relax Adam. His "earn it first" ideology is why the leafs have no cap space, is because they DON'T take risks, you say you get it but you don't.
Go Joe Woll
I’ll take Logan Thompson for 2 3rd round picks over Woll any day
need to stop trying to find value in a developing goalie, and spend some $$$ on a proven goalie
thats how you eff up your cap even more than they did.
Love you dangle and I love you Jessie, but the other dude is an idiot. Im hearing you. But no one else is.
Was he not drafted the same year as Austin Matthews?
Understanding that sometimes goalies may take longer to develop...his durability is way too high risk to think that somehow he can be a number 1.
His numbers are very good
But, that's a small sample size.
Another leafs bust.
This isn't even a done deal, lol. Are you guy's that desperate for clicks?
Welcome to TH-cam
"Taking the podcast to Washington" - when your headlines are all-caps. Smells a bit like the Browns in the Super Bowl.
Guys. Matthews could score 100 goals it wouldn't matter. He is not a winner. Period.
No one is a winner until they win. People said this about Yzerman, Modano, Ovie more recently. Dudes got at least ten more years to try and figure it out. Look how long it took Ray Borque
@@stug5041 You completely missed the point. It's not about having won yet. It's being a winner, which an attitude and Matthews is not.
@@michelduchesneboulianne9213 I didn’t miss anything - I’m saying they said the same thing about those guys, and now they don’t.
Just imagine what they will get if they trade Matthews. I still remember what the Nordiques / Avalanche got after they traded away Lindros.