I don’t waste my time installing Arch every time... once you got it installed and know the process you can always install other computers by just partitioning, cloning the system, and installing a bootloader
@@BrodieRobertsonI've seen that on some installers for some third-party Windows software. You got the adware when you pressed "cancel" instead of "back"
As someone with a UK keyboard, and often software using us keyboards, there are notable differences. For example, the placement of the ~ key (for going to your home directory), quotes, @, etc. Lots of symbols change. I tried to go through installing arch on a vm, and messed the keyboard up, and it really messed me up
Even though I'm in the UK I have a laptop with a US layout and I concur... hunting around for where they put the | symbol certainly took quite a while.
I've used Anarchy for awhile now and I really like it. One thing I've run into is manual partitioning not working properly - I would get error messages when I try to select a mount point. I have had to switch ttys, create partitions and mount them by manually in /mnt and then when I go back to the installer it would pick up the mount points correctly.
"i dont know how to use nano" you dont need to you press keys and it types the commands are listed at the bottom but hen again i dont know how to use vim, mostly because when i start typing it doesnt work until i enter insertion mode and then i have to blindly grope for commands
15:00 error about unable to install packages is about GPG key not being fully authenticated, so it can't install. You need to run "arch-keys --populate archlinux" or something before going to install, so it can actually confirm the packages signatures and make the installation. That happened for me 10 times I tried to install, until I took spoon to my hand and nicely read the automatically pasted error log to the service (that you can't access without another computer!).
i'm not here to talk about BTRFS , but what about F2FS? Since more people now are using SSDs and NVME drives , would be nice for more Linux distros adopt a proper filesystem for said devices. Slackware already has :)
You can access ext4 partitions from other OSes like Windows (with an app), and there are tried and tested file recovery tools for ext4 in case your drive fails. Marginal performance advantage of f2fs is not enough to offset that.
I'm partial to ArchFi, mostly because I heard about it first. That said it is better in some ways and worst in others. I had issues with Anarchy where if I tried to use LVM it just wouldn't work for me, it'd just complain about not having a Root. And this was all really odd considering it actually had support for setting LVM in its manual partitioning section. It also complained that I didn't have enough space... on a 1.9 TB SSD. It was just looking at the number disregarding the unit was TB not GB. Considering how extensive it's LVM setup is, I'm a little surprised they didn't do something similar for BTRFS Subvolumes, but ArchFi doesn't have that either. Other than those issues, Anarchy gets the job done easily enough.
The previous version of Anarchy (before it stopped working entirely) failed if you provided a list of packages to install. So on the Issues page they said not to do that. As a result they removed that option from this version. The current version doesn’t install any of the Desktop Environments properly, so now they say not to do that. *sigh* I think they need to consider having a public beta before releasing a “final” version.
Archfi/archdi used to be good, but it's 6 month out of date, last updated in June 2021, so after install your gonna have to do a full system update, so it sorta defeats the purpose, also dm crypt, lvm, raid are possible however you need to do it manually in a TTY, before executing the script, it's usable but not doesn't provide much customization.
I recently installed arch linux for the first time from terminal. Was quite the learning experience, but would have used something like this if I knew it was an option.
@@yannrampitsch6678 Indeed. Was my first time installing a linux distro from scratch. Learned how to use vim/nano, learned that a network manager isn't automatically installed, learned how to create a new user and add it to a group, and learned how to install a desktop environment. Couldn't wrap my head around parted, since I'm used to gparted. I used gparted in an ubuntu live usb for partitioning. Screwed up installing the grub bootloader and resorted to using boot repair and grub customizer on the ubuntu live usb. Need to figure those out later.
"... or if you like to waste your time and manually install Arch every single time ..." It is one time in my case. I understand that you install Arch more often to experiment and show case stuff. I think it's great that there are Arch installer, but since Arch is a rolling release it is far less important to have an installer. Install it once or twice manually to learn is not a bad thing. And after that there should not be many reasons you need to install it again. I just upgraded my drive to an M.2 SSD. I simply cloned my old drive and done. Far faster then using any installer :)
Excellent. I'll definitely go and use it! After the partition screen I kept thinking how come he didn't mention the home partition?!? Glad you did at the end cause then I get the chance to ask you a newbie question: could you add your recommend partitioning scheme so that dumb people like me can do it in the manual partitioning option??? Even better would be do add it to the video descriptions and demoing it! Anyway thank you so much!
I like the idea of these installers and I like that it makes sure you got everything done that you need done, but I also think everyone should at least install arch manually at least once because I feel like it teaches you about your system. I like using the prebuilt arch distros like Garuda and Endeavour, but I just now did a vanilla arch install a few minutes ago because I haven't done it in a few years and wanted to do it just to remind my self how to do it, which I find funny because then I fire up TH-cam and then TH-cam recommended this video.
The problem with the "installers" that I've seen is that the partitioning setup is completely basic bitch. If you want to use btrfs with multiple subvolumes or LVM, you have to do all that by hand before ever running the "installer," then archfi / archdi is pretty fucking great.
@@BrodieRobertson Yeah, but all that stuff is the hardest part of installing "the Arch Way" as far as I'm concerned - at least with complex subvolume / volume schemes, especially in conjunction with encryption - so as far as I'm concerned it should be high on the priority list of things for an installer to take care of. The Manjaro Architect installer is the only one I’ve seen that does, but it’s open source so they could just copy it.
OK... I solved it but post there are still issues.. In order for the installer to recognize my disk layout using two drives, (300G /boot/efi and remainder of drive for root '/' on nvme drive then one TB drive for /home partition) I had to add more than myself as a user. Why, I have no idea but it worked on Dell laptops I've refurbished for resale. Post install issues.... Lightdm service was not activated, mirror location was wrong, set bash as my preferred shell but got zsh instead. Discovered /etc/shells file did not have the proper path to bash. Another problem was my user had not been added to sudoers file even though I told installer that I wanted this user to be able to use sudo. It would also be good if you would include the wifi set up, it's not that complicated. You just have to wait till about the 4th menu to get the selection to drop to the command line where you can use iwctl to set up and connect to your wifi.... when done, entering anarchy at the command prompt takes you back to the start of the script but it's not really a big time issue...
Looks like a great installer though could do with a bit of polish, that dropping to the main menu (or not) situationally seems problematic. Then again, if you're going to this length to install arch, aren't you better off with something like manjaro from the get go?
For people like me who refuses to install Arch Linux the "Arch way" this is the program to use. If you have a problem partitioning, just use a live linux distro on a stick to do it with a GUI program like Gparted and use this to install.
I do mine the old fashioned way with the exception I use gparted to set my partitions. lots easier than dealing with fdisk. for a quick VM tho if I want a quick arch I use the install script they provide. Mine is a GPT with 6 partitons swap/home/root/boot/unformatted/efi and I keep an empty unformatted in case I have to move the drive to another old system so I have the place to put bios_grub. I also grab microcode for things I dont have. It doesn't take much space. suppose you had intel and you end up on an AMD board with nvidia, you're all set to go.
Completed the process you have a complete - out of the box - installation. Could somebody explain the exact distinction between an installer and a distro ?
One has to "wonder though" what the difference would be in terms of end result if you'd use anarchy versus say manjaro. Would the systems differ by a lot, would anarchy still pose a higher opperational difficulty etc?
@@BrodieRobertson That sounds logical... What I mean is this: due to my visual impairment I'm forced to install manjaro the cli way anyway, so then the question for me at least becomes, is anarchy going to yeald the same "end result" no matter the repos etc, or are there still going to be some differences, that will require more config edits and all...
@@R.e.2405 I haven't done an indepth dive into each of the preconfigured environments, just the vanilla install which doesn't come with anything that isn't there on base arch
You really should do btrfs for these installers because I have yet to find one that sets up btrfs properly with the proper subvolumes and compression options and because of that I always have to set up arch manually. it's just a PITA that I would like simplified, not sure why it hasn't been tackled since it is such a popular filesystem atm. (Also yes Brodie, I hate how you say Mate...you troll)
- No output displaying what commands are actually run (that log can be seen after the installation is good but it doesn't contain what commands run. Also it would not be too hard to display what is run at the moment and most people don't look at a install log if they have no problems while many people would look at commands that are run while they are waiting for them to finish) - No additional help button which could display a help pop-up with more info on a option (heck it could also just have two lines of general information, then a link to a arch wiki page and if a certain link is pressed it could open that page via some simple web browser) - Doesn't list all options mentioned in the wiki (e.g. only two bootloaders instead of all from the page where booloaders are compared) Not a good installer for newbies imo.
If the termbin recording was a bit better, it might be useable as a input for a new installation that could be given as a parameter to the install script...
@@BrodieRobertson Usually you would have root / as {mount}/@ and home as {mount}/@home Ubuntu defaults to doing that if you choose BTRFS option in the advanced settings of the installer. You can also set as many subvolumes if chose to set the disk up yourself. Just wondering if those Arch installers had anything like that, or if it's a do it yourself with commands.
I don’t think most people need base-devel? Most people aren’t developers or need anything from the AUR. But either way it’s not part of the kernel, that’s a weird place to put it.
@@BrodieRobertson Most of my AUR packages are for development, or dependencies for packages for development, or available some other way. But yeah, I guess some are generally useful with no good non-AUR equivalent, and nobody distributes raw .pkg.zst files or hosts small Arch repos like they do .deb files or PPAs
I've used Anarchy and I really liked it as well. My only real gripe is that it does not install Pamac which I consider a must nowadays. It makes accessing the AUR pretty painless. And lets be honest, if you aren't accessing the AUR then why are you using Arch. Sure it is easy enough to install on it's own, but it isn't as simple as firing up pacman. I'm fine starting with a basic system but I consider Pamac part of that
Thank you for finally doing this one. That was my first experience with Linux, back when it was called "arch-anywhere". They had to change it for legal reasons. I still use their .zshrc file on all my systems.
Might have to give this one a go, ta, as I've been wanting to try pure Arch for a while now but got caught up on a couple of steps when I tried to install it 'the proper way'.
I dunno. I love the power, flexibility and control I have of installing Arch manually. And if need be, I can always script it. Also, another big advantage is being able to install it over an ssh connection. Now what I really want to see is an installer that will let me install ZFS as root. Btrfs is ok, but ZFS rocks!
it is always best to install Arch the right way so you know what you installed, if you need the help of a installer there is a really good one call Manjaro, and manjaro also help you with the things that is to hard for you yet.
I dont know what the fuck I am doing wrong. After the install I go into chroot to install a terminal, vim, a browser and all the shit you need and after that I reboot and nothing opens after logging in. I can see which window I am in and I can change them even but nothing opens ever. I just don't know what to do anymore. I need arch installed because this dumbass fucking professor in uni DEMANDS we use vanilla arch and NOT in a VM and everytime I tried installing it it always went to shit. I guess it just doesnt wanna work on me
Why not just go with the Wiki install and be able to configure it exactly how you want. I can see the attraction of these auto installers for the newbie, but beyond that specific use I can't see the need. YMMV.
Why don't you just install arch the normal way? If nothing else it's worth to have some more understanding of the partitioning and setting the bootloader up.
@@BrodieRobertson oh I just thought it was a funny nod to the proverb, that is all! (Not sure if that was intentional, or not). Your videos are great! I think your comments in regards to the Linux Challenge stuff have been spot on. Haven't been an Arch user for 6 years or so now, mostly deal with Ubuntu-18.04, 20.04 and RHEL derivatives for work.
@@longview3k69 POSIX Compliance means that an operating system follows the POSIX standard completely which is a standard for Unix like operating systems ( Linux, BSD, Serenity etc). It basically defines a lot of syscalls and Coreutils and similar stuff to make porting between different POSIX complient systems easy. There is also the less comments known süß standard which is basically the same.
@@longview3k69 POSIX is the family of standards that makes software portable between Operating Systems in user-level and system-level environment. This also applies to OS.
You always say I don't know how to use nano. I always thought you were kidding and might still be. But spend 2 minutes with nano and you'll know how to use nano. Menu is at the bottom, telling you how to use nano. So stop kidding or actually learn how to use nano under 5 minutes.
This script is a piece of junk if you want to install on more than one disk. 1st issue is it will force you to define the root partition before you can do anything else. OK... root is the 2nd partition on my nvme drive. Select it, select edit, set mount point, choose format type and OK.. Fine... does its thing.. FINALLY it lets me select the 1st partition on the nvme drive, set mount point /boot/efi, format fat32, boom... off to the races. Only one more thing to do... select 1TB sata and use same process to use as /home.. Start the install and all is well until it actually starts to install the software... You see a message telling you it's installing to the partition set up for /boot/efi;... NOT the /root partition defined in the disk partitioning phase of the install. Happened THREE times before I just gave up...
All installers should be disavowed by the maintainers of these distros. Installers are for plebian distros, these installers are removing the floodgates which hold back the masses.
@@BrodieRobertson Distros already exist for those who are starting out. If people cannot follow a step by step guide to install a distro like Arch they are clearly at that point in time, incompetent. Why do you want to fill your space with incompetents? I personally view certain distros (Gentoo/Arch/LFS) as a sort of initiation rite, it is a mark of competence to use one of these distros for a length of time. These installers desecrate this order and allow people to effectively cheat this initiation rite.
The ArcoLinux installer is total poo as it fails to copy the UEFI files in the last step which would be doom to any beginner user. To be honest navigating these text based installers just seems to take longer then a GUI installer. I'd rather use a install script that automates everything.
I don’t waste my time installing Arch every time... once you got it installed and know the process you can always install other computers by just partitioning, cloning the system, and installing a bootloader
Imagine if Arch copied itself to neighbouring machines.
*virArch*
If the Cancel button doesn't actually Cancel, I think it should be called Skip instead.
Cancel skipping a step is not something I think I've ever seen
@@BrodieRobertsonI've seen that on some installers for some third-party Windows software. You got the adware when you pressed "cancel" instead of "back"
As someone with a UK keyboard, and often software using us keyboards, there are notable differences. For example, the placement of the ~ key (for going to your home directory), quotes, @, etc. Lots of symbols change. I tried to go through installing arch on a vm, and messed the keyboard up, and it really messed me up
Lucky this isn't a keyboard video then lol
Even though I'm in the UK I have a laptop with a US layout and I concur... hunting around for where they put the | symbol certainly took quite a while.
Tip: you can just use "cd" to change to your home directory, no need for an extra ~
@@pisanvs toggling cases in vim or forcing spaces in tex requires the ~
I have run into this issue with playing with Raspbian on a Raspberry Pi that defaults to the UK keyboard, and I am in the US with us keyboards.
"Anarchy... Really really good!"
-Brodie 2021
I wanted to jam in an anarchy joke but I couldn't come up with one
Before you (the audience) starts anarchy because I don't use the stupid installer, I'll be installing Arch using Anarchy.
Js
I tried a few installers a few months ago and none would pick up my nvme drive. The only one that would, out of the box, was Anarchy.
Calamares worked for me
Thanks
Nano tutorial: Ctrl+X to save and exit, Ctrl+W to search
and it also has all the controls available on the bottom of the screen by default
@@arjix8738 yeah I know that but for some reason it's easier to remember the Vim keys lol
I've used Anarchy for awhile now and I really like it. One thing I've run into is manual partitioning not working properly - I would get error messages when I try to select a mount point. I have had to switch ttys, create partitions and mount them by manually in /mnt and then when I go back to the installer it would pick up the mount points correctly.
I've been using anarchy for a long time now and always use it when I need a clean arch install. Glad it's getting more attention :>
"i dont know how to use nano"
you dont need to
you press keys and it types
the commands are listed at the bottom
but hen again i dont know how to use vim, mostly because when i start typing it doesnt work until i enter insertion mode and then i have to blindly grope for commands
UK keyboard has a few other differences from US, @ and " are swapped, and some of the slashes in other places
it's bad enough they drive on the wrong side of the road, now their keyboards are all wrong too!
Good job I'm a touch typer, typing in English on an American keyboard, lol.
15:00 error about unable to install packages is about GPG key not being fully authenticated, so it can't install.
You need to run "arch-keys --populate archlinux" or something before going to install, so it can actually confirm the packages signatures and make the installation.
That happened for me 10 times I tried to install, until I took spoon to my hand and nicely read the automatically pasted error log to the service (that you can't access without another computer!).
i'm not here to talk about BTRFS , but what about F2FS? Since more people now are using SSDs and NVME drives , would be nice for more Linux distros adopt a proper filesystem for said devices. Slackware already has :)
"a proper filesystem" lol
Isn't f2fs for SD cards and other flash drives that don't have their own mechanisms for mitigating wear (which SSDs do have)?
You can access ext4 partitions from other OSes like Windows (with an app), and there are tried and tested file recovery tools for ext4 in case your drive fails. Marginal performance advantage of f2fs is not enough to offset that.
I'm partial to ArchFi, mostly because I heard about it first. That said it is better in some ways and worst in others. I had issues with Anarchy where if I tried to use LVM it just wouldn't work for me, it'd just complain about not having a Root. And this was all really odd considering it actually had support for setting LVM in its manual partitioning section. It also complained that I didn't have enough space... on a 1.9 TB SSD. It was just looking at the number disregarding the unit was TB not GB. Considering how extensive it's LVM setup is, I'm a little surprised they didn't do something similar for BTRFS Subvolumes, but ArchFi doesn't have that either. Other than those issues, Anarchy gets the job done easily enough.
But unlike archfi it then actually complains about things check out the video on archfi there is one by the same person
"if you like to waste your time" buddy i installed Arch using a Mint live USB i think wasting my time isn't an issue here
those are some bragging rights :O
Out of curiosity, how does one go about it to get the commands like pacstrap?
The previous version of Anarchy (before it stopped working entirely) failed if you provided a list of packages to install. So on the Issues page they said not to do that. As a result they removed that option from this version. The current version doesn’t install any of the Desktop Environments properly, so now they say not to do that. *sigh* I think they need to consider having a public beta before releasing a “final” version.
"Totally a secure password, not the word Password at all..."
Distrotube is proud.
Great channel man! greetings from the Redwoods of the North coast!
Archfi/archdi used to be good, but it's 6 month out of date, last updated in June 2021, so after install your gonna have to do a full system update, so it sorta defeats the purpose, also dm crypt, lvm, raid are possible however you need to do it manually in a TTY, before executing the script, it's usable but not doesn't provide much customization.
absolutely adorable, keep up the good work Brodie, loving your positivity..
I recently installed arch linux for the first time from terminal. Was quite the learning experience, but would have used something like this if I knew it was an option.
Actually you are better off doing arvh vanilla install. I bet you learned a lot.
its always good to know how it works though (encase it breaks)
@@yannrampitsch6678 Indeed. Was my first time installing a linux distro from scratch. Learned how to use vim/nano, learned that a network manager isn't automatically installed, learned how to create a new user and add it to a group, and learned how to install a desktop environment. Couldn't wrap my head around parted, since I'm used to gparted. I used gparted in an ubuntu live usb for partitioning. Screwed up installing the grub bootloader and resorted to using boot repair and grub customizer on the ubuntu live usb. Need to figure those out later.
even arch labs is a great installer, though it does do minimal theming like changing wallpaper etc.
"... or if you like to waste your time and manually install Arch every single time ..."
It is one time in my case. I understand that you install Arch more often to experiment and show case stuff. I think it's great that there are Arch installer, but since Arch is a rolling release it is far less important to have an installer.
Install it once or twice manually to learn is not a bad thing. And after that there should not be many reasons you need to install it again. I just upgraded my drive to an M.2 SSD. I simply cloned my old drive and done. Far faster then using any installer :)
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I suppose the reasoning is dat base-devel installs the headers as well.
Excellent. I'll definitely go and use it! After the partition screen I kept thinking how come he didn't mention the home partition?!? Glad you did at the end cause then I get the chance to ask you a newbie question: could you add your recommend partitioning scheme so that dumb people like me can do it in the manual partitioning option??? Even better would be do add it to the video descriptions and demoing it! Anyway thank you so much!
I'm not sure if using an installer is a faster way of installing the OS, but it's definitely more accessible and that's a good thing :)
I like the idea of these installers and I like that it makes sure you got everything done that you need done, but I also think everyone should at least install arch manually at least once because I feel like it teaches you about your system. I like using the prebuilt arch distros like Garuda and Endeavour, but I just now did a vanilla arch install a few minutes ago because I haven't done it in a few years and wanted to do it just to remind my self how to do it, which I find funny because then I fire up TH-cam and then TH-cam recommended this video.
One request, take a look at balancing out the S'es / topend in the audio recording please, thanks :)
The problem with the "installers" that I've seen is that the partitioning setup is completely basic bitch. If you want to use btrfs with multiple subvolumes or LVM, you have to do all that by hand before ever running the "installer," then archfi / archdi is pretty fucking great.
There is a command line mode where you can pause the installer and do all that fun stuff.
@@BrodieRobertson Yeah, but all that stuff is the hardest part of installing "the Arch Way" as far as I'm concerned - at least with complex subvolume / volume schemes, especially in conjunction with encryption - so as far as I'm concerned it should be high on the priority list of things for an installer to take care of.
The Manjaro Architect installer is the only one I’ve seen that does, but it’s open source so they could just copy it.
OK... I solved it but post there are still issues.. In order for the installer to recognize my disk layout using two drives, (300G /boot/efi and remainder of drive for root '/' on nvme drive then one TB drive for /home partition) I had to add more than myself as a user. Why, I have no idea but it worked on Dell laptops I've refurbished for resale.
Post install issues.... Lightdm service was not activated, mirror location was wrong, set bash as my preferred shell but got zsh instead. Discovered /etc/shells file did not have the proper path to bash. Another problem was my user had not been added to sudoers file even though I told installer that I wanted this user to be able to use sudo.
It would also be good if you would include the wifi set up, it's not that complicated. You just have to wait till about the 4th menu to get the selection to drop to the command line where you can use iwctl to set up and connect to your wifi.... when done, entering anarchy at the command prompt takes you back to the start of the script but it's not really a big time issue...
Does Anarchy install subvolumes on Btrfs?
Looks like a great installer though could do with a bit of polish, that dropping to the main menu (or not) situationally seems problematic. Then again, if you're going to this length to install arch, aren't you better off with something like manjaro from the get go?
i would prefer archlabs. (i know it comes with predesigned installs but it can also be used to get a clean install)
For people like me who refuses to install Arch Linux the "Arch way" this is the program to use. If you have a problem partitioning, just use a live linux distro on a stick to do it with a GUI program like Gparted and use this to install.
Eh I personally think ArchFi is a better option but to each his own
Base-devel is probably attached to kernel-headers
I don't believe so
I do mine the old fashioned way with the exception I use gparted to set my partitions. lots easier than dealing with fdisk.
for a quick VM tho if I want a quick arch I use the install script they provide. Mine is a GPT with 6 partitons swap/home/root/boot/unformatted/efi and I keep an empty unformatted in case I have to move the drive to another old system so I have the place to put bios_grub.
I also grab microcode for things I dont have. It doesn't take much space. suppose you had intel and you end up on an AMD board with nvidia, you're all set to go.
Completed the process you have a complete - out of the box - installation.
Could somebody explain the exact distinction between an installer and a distro ?
just used it, almost perfect is best description. it needs just a little bit more polish with the stuff you mentioned
Guided arch installer is more than enough for me. I just wish they could fix this problem with nvidia drivers after instalation...
One has to "wonder though" what the difference would be in terms of end result if you'd use anarchy versus say manjaro. Would the systems differ by a lot, would anarchy still pose a higher opperational difficulty etc?
Manjaro would obviously configure pacman to use the manjaro repos not the arch repos
@@BrodieRobertson That sounds logical... What I mean is this: due to my visual impairment I'm forced to install manjaro the cli way anyway, so then the question for me at least becomes, is anarchy going to yeald the same "end result" no matter the repos etc, or are there still going to be some differences, that will require more config edits and all...
@@R.e.2405 I haven't done an indepth dive into each of the preconfigured environments, just the vanilla install which doesn't come with anything that isn't there on base arch
I love Anarchy, Its one of the Installers that actually install my wifi drivers correctly unlike the archinstall script
Now only if something like this but for Gentoo was a thing, and also would let you customize the kernel etc
You really should do btrfs for these installers because I have yet to find one that sets up btrfs properly with the proper subvolumes and compression options and because of that I always have to set up arch manually. it's just a PITA that I would like simplified, not sure why it hasn't been tackled since it is such a popular filesystem atm.
(Also yes Brodie, I hate how you say Mate...you troll)
When I get around to checking out BTRFS I'll probably do so
@@BrodieRobertsonIt runs like butter!
can you upload a tutorial on a full encrypt of a parabola install?
- No output displaying what commands are actually run (that log can be seen after the installation is good but it doesn't contain what commands run. Also it would not be too hard to display what is run at the moment and most people don't look at a install log if they have no problems while many people would look at commands that are run while they are waiting for them to finish)
- No additional help button which could display a help pop-up with more info on a option (heck it could also just have two lines of general information, then a link to a arch wiki page and if a certain link is pressed it could open that page via some simple web browser)
- Doesn't list all options mentioned in the wiki (e.g. only two bootloaders instead of all from the page where booloaders are compared)
Not a good installer for newbies imo.
If the termbin recording was a bit better, it might be useable as a input for a new installation that could be given as a parameter to the install script...
i think i remember having systemd-boot and Refind as the options, but it was 1-2 years ago.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 I did not saw those in the video.
Does setting up BTRFS create subvolumes for /home and / ?
I haven't looked into BTRFS yet, is that what you would normally do. I should get around to checking it out.
@@BrodieRobertson Usually you would have root / as {mount}/@ and home as {mount}/@home
Ubuntu defaults to doing that if you choose BTRFS option in the advanced settings of the installer. You can also set as many subvolumes if chose to set the disk up yourself.
Just wondering if those Arch installers had anything like that, or if it's a do it yourself with commands.
I would use btrfs, but some games I play don't play well with anything other than ext4.
How unfortunate.
All installers should be this easy. Maybe not Unicode ugly, but this easy.
This thing is awesome, just tried in a virtualbox
"If unsure use base or base-devel" but what to use, that doesn't tell people anything
You definetely don't want one or the other
Lacking contrast, ok if you have normal vision
I don’t think most people need base-devel? Most people aren’t developers or need anything from the AUR. But either way it’s not part of the kernel, that’s a weird place to put it.
I'd argue that due to Arch having the AUR as a fallback most Arch users will need it
@@BrodieRobertson Most of my AUR packages are for development, or dependencies for packages for development, or available some other way. But yeah, I guess some are generally useful with no good non-AUR equivalent, and nobody distributes raw .pkg.zst files or hosts small Arch repos like they do .deb files or PPAs
512 meg swap? Someone wasn't paying attention.
I used that installer on previous installs. Arch manual install is not *hard*, it's stupidly tedious. Now I am on garuda tho, both laptop and desktop.
If you want tedious I present to you Gentoo without a bin kernel
systemd is the default? there is no option for openrc?
Use something that isn't arch for systemd
Shouldn't you just install endeavour os? Basically minimal desktop arch install.
Maybe so
9:20 looks like you forgot to cut out your first attempt.
Oh I did
I have basically already memorized the arch install. Its really simple, just like 16 commands and you’re done
I've used Anarchy and I really liked it as well. My only real gripe is that it does not install Pamac which I consider a must nowadays. It makes accessing the AUR pretty painless. And lets be honest, if you aren't accessing the AUR then why are you using Arch. Sure it is easy enough to install on it's own, but it isn't as simple as firing up pacman. I'm fine starting with a basic system but I consider Pamac part of that
Pamac is a Manjaro thing it will probably have incompatibility issues because Manjaro keeps the packages back for a period of time
Could do a git clone and install yay for the AUR. Think you would need it anyway to use pamac.
Pamac would be great if it didn't get an update every so often that gets it banned from the AUR
@@TheSailorKing While it was created by the Manjaro team, the Manjaro repositories are not required at all for it's use.
@@BrodieRobertson I've always wondered why it can't be found in the regular repositories. Curious to understand what is required to get a ban.
Thank you for finally doing this one. That was my first experience with Linux, back when it was called "arch-anywhere". They had to change it for legal reasons.
I still use their .zshrc file on all my systems.
Hallo, welche Holzart können sie für ein gutes Kantholz empfehlen?
@@Reichstaubenminister Buche. Hartes Holz für dicke Schädel.
So you got an error and you say it was because of not having enough space but you don’t explain how you fixed it???
Might have to give this one a go, ta, as I've been wanting to try pure Arch for a while now but got caught up on a couple of steps when I tried to install it 'the proper way'.
Archify seems easier to me.
I dunno. I love the power, flexibility and control I have of installing Arch manually. And if need be, I can always script it. Also, another big advantage is being able to install it over an ssh connection.
Now what I really want to see is an installer that will let me install ZFS as root. Btrfs is ok, but ZFS rocks!
If you need to customize stuff go ahead with the manual install but for the most part Arch installs are pretty similar
the bone Keyboard layout is pretty awesome btw.
but it ist to note, that it is focused on continental european languages (e.g. german, danish, french)
alci is great as well
AN-AR-CHY..... say it with me... AN-ARRRRRRRRR-CHY
it is always best to install Arch the right way so you know what you installed, if you need the help of a installer there is a really good one call Manjaro, and manjaro also help you with the things that is to hard for you yet.
I dont know what the fuck I am doing wrong. After the install I go into chroot to install a terminal, vim, a browser and all the shit you need and after that I reboot and nothing opens after logging in. I can see which window I am in and I can change them even but nothing opens ever. I just don't know what to do anymore. I need arch installed because this dumbass fucking professor in uni DEMANDS we use vanilla arch and NOT in a VM and everytime I tried installing it it always went to shit. I guess it just doesnt wanna work on me
This installer only works if you're in UK
? Last I checked I wasn't in the UK
@@BrodieRobertson I was trying to make a joke about "Anarchy in the UK" - a famous Sex Pistols' song.
Why not just go with the Wiki install and be able to configure it exactly how you want. I can see the attraction of these auto installers for the newbie, but beyond that specific use I can't see the need. YMMV.
that's how I got arch installed ^_^
Bone 🌚
The contrast / theme on the installer screens is really poorly thought through.
Uk & us keyboards aren't the same. Check the @ and ; keys
Fair enough
Or just find an Arch ISO with a Calamares installer.
What is wasting my time about installing arch? It doesn't take that much longer to do it by hand xD
I think its best to just install EndeavorOS
wait, isn't it pronounced mah-teh?
Yes and I refuse to say it
I don't see much difference compared to Debian or Ubuntu Server installer.
Great video, but installer seems a bit buggy... anyhow thanks for the vid.
Why don't you just install arch the normal way?
If nothing else it's worth to have some more understanding of the partitioning and setting the bootloader up.
"Trust... but verify"
What about it?
@@BrodieRobertson oh I just thought it was a funny nod to the proverb, that is all! (Not sure if that was intentional, or not). Your videos are great! I think your comments in regards to the Linux Challenge stuff have been spot on. Haven't been an Arch user for 6 years or so now, mostly deal with Ubuntu-18.04, 20.04 and RHEL derivatives for work.
@@halfSpinDoctor Oh ti's a proverb, I've never heard that one
It disappointed me last time I used it.
Mhh as I see here, this is similar, but a bit worse to the Slackware installer
Arch Gui Installer is far more stronger and better plz try it cuz it makes anarchy looks like a joke
You mean Arch Linux Gui, the one I did a video on a few weeks back?
@@BrodieRobertson oh wait you did ?? i did not receive a notification of that never mind me then you are awesome man keep going i am a fan from Egypt
@@AhmedMOHAMED-hl1hd TH-cam notifications haven't worked consistently for years
@@BrodieRobertson sadly yeah
Fun fact Arch is not POSIX compliant
Been using Linux for a few years, what does POSIX compliant mean?
@@longview3k69 POSIX Compliance means that an operating system follows the POSIX standard completely which is a standard for Unix like operating systems ( Linux, BSD, Serenity etc). It basically defines a lot of syscalls and Coreutils and similar stuff to make porting between different POSIX complient systems easy. There is also the less comments known süß standard which is basically the same.
Could you give me a source or explanation why Arch isn't POSIX complient?
@@longview3k69 POSIX is the family of standards that makes software portable between Operating Systems in user-level and system-level environment. This also applies to OS.
Fun fact: you don’t know what you’re talking about
I hope artix will make one or ports it ! #redhatfree
Honestly I don't like it, the graphical interface for Arch is way wayyy better IMO, or I would throw Chris Titus script instead
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anarchy seems so so...
You always say I don't know how to use nano. I always thought you were kidding and might still be. But spend 2 minutes with nano and you'll know how to use nano. Menu is at the bottom, telling you how to use nano. So stop kidding or actually learn how to use nano under 5 minutes.
I don't joke about nano, this is serious business
I don't know to me the Archinstall script that comes with the ISO is much better in my opinion. I don't like this installer at all.
This script is a piece of junk if you want to install on more than one disk. 1st issue is it will force you to define the root partition before you can do anything else. OK... root is the 2nd partition on my nvme drive. Select it, select edit, set mount point, choose format type and OK.. Fine... does its thing.. FINALLY it lets me select the 1st partition on the nvme drive, set mount point /boot/efi, format fat32, boom... off to the races. Only one more thing to do... select 1TB sata and use same process to use as /home.. Start the install and all is well until it actually starts to install the software... You see a message telling you it's installing to the partition set up for /boot/efi;... NOT the /root partition defined in the disk partitioning phase of the install. Happened THREE times before I just gave up...
So many issues, that's not almost perfect in my book
All installers should be disavowed by the maintainers of these distros. Installers are for plebian distros, these installers are removing the floodgates which hold back the masses.
Why is that a problem
@@BrodieRobertson Distros already exist for those who are starting out. If people cannot follow a step by step guide to install a distro like Arch they are clearly at that point in time, incompetent. Why do you want to fill your space with incompetents? I personally view certain distros (Gentoo/Arch/LFS) as a sort of initiation rite, it is a mark of competence to use one of these distros for a length of time. These installers desecrate this order and allow people to effectively cheat this initiation rite.
@@tsiiphsycoii why would I want to waste my time following an install guide I've already used
@@BrodieRobertson I agree and think this is the only legitimate use case.
@Dio Titus yeh because I am an elitist.
I Still like archfi
The ArcoLinux installer is total poo as it fails to copy the UEFI files in the last step which would be doom to any beginner user.
To be honest navigating these text based installers just seems to take longer then a GUI installer. I'd rather use a install script that automates everything.
archfi
Anarchy is crap, use Calamares instead, much faster and efficient.(Yes there is a Calamares installer for Arch)