You hit the point. There is no kite that covers everything and is perfect for everyone. As a beginner, you can buy every reasonably current freeride kite without hesitation. In Europe many kite schools recommend Core Kites, especially the Core XR. I always tell my students: Before you buy your first kite, go to a shop or a testival and test the material. Of course, core kites are among the best you can buy, but does that break as a beginner? Certainly not. Can also be 3-4 years old, as long as linen and cloth are still in order. I like your video, keep it up.
You are right 2018 kites are mostly all good. Your quick hand drawing of the different kite types Is the clearest and easiest to understand version I’ve ever seen in the Internet😂🤙🏼😎🏄🏽♂️🦇
I'm currently riding an ozone instinct edge that was in storage of a lady who never ended up using it. I got it for $100. I'm very happy with it and I'm out shredding in surf for hours. No one pump but who gives a shit when new kites can go for over 2500.00 Absolutely ridiculous pricing considering they're made in china or Malaysia for a tiny fraction of the retail value. Design does deserve some profit but really I mean it hasn't been leaps and bounds every time they bring out a new model which is every year. They should really last longer than they do for what they sell them plus a lot of people stay away from kiting due to learning curve and pricing. Great channel by the way. Big thumbs up ; ) from Australia.
Thanks a lot! I agree on that that the kite prices are fairly high, but that's the thing opening the place for smaller brands - I believe. You got lucky with that kite, this is once lifetime stuff, so keep it in good shape. Bladders might need some extra love with time! Thanks for all the compliments, happy kiting!
Yeah it is possible. I learned on a 2006 wipika kite, by myself.. Do you know that brand? It was hell! But I loved it! Also stopped counting the times I almost died haha 😅
Just got a 2013 10m Nasih ride with bar and lines with probably less than 10 sessions on it for $200 but I agree with you old kites have too much bladder problems.
Yeah, kites after 2012 (maybe even after 2010) will provide a safe depower but the bladders and the one pump tubes getting old. Heat, salt, UV... I guess that's in the business :)
I still have one from 2012 7m which I barley used so it was in good condition. But after a week kiting i had to change all the one pump velves. So kite not older than 3 years is good tip !
Great video! I bought my first kites new (naish cult 2009) and a few years ago again new cabrinha switchblades. Was disappointed with how few difference I felt. A bit snappier but kite evolution has really topped off in my opinion. Just wave kites feel different. For the rest, don’t fall for the marketing bullshit and enjoy your kites! You need a lot of time to outgrow your kites! Cheers
With an almost-beginner level, I use a 9-year old, high ratio 5-struts ASV 17.5 in 18-20 knots when everyone uses only their brand new 9/10, and all say I am totally crazy to go out with a 17.5 while still learning. The truth is the sail is slow so super forgiving, holds very comfortably when locked close to the water and it is very usable from 10 to 20 sqm for great free rides plus it sails much closer to the wind than recent tube kites, allowing me to still go out in the surf with on-shore wind. All in all this is my only sail which I paid 80 euros for and this is my beloved workhorse and it allows me to progress and only spend more money for a tubeless kite when I get better ❤️
I use a 2016 Slingshot Rally 10mtr, I love it like I did my first car. I have just bought an older Slingshot Rally 2014 7mtr hoping that there will be little difference between the two. I hope I have made the right choice!
I am glad you are happy with it! However, i encourage you to try out other kites first before buying all the same one :)) ! The first kite is always love and love is blind, right? :) but hopefully not deaf! :D I flew a lot of kites, did a whole season on Slingshot Rallies and turbines, and somehow the love did not come.. Unfortunately, they had a lot of issues with quality! And when i say a lot that means a LOT! Hope yours still in one peace! That's not only my opinion but really all my instructor friends who are in the biz since a while. The models i liked form that quiver is the SST and the RPM and the FUEL - last two is def not beginner stuff. But same quality :( So before committing to one brand try the others! :) You thank me later :) CHeers dude for the comment, keep shredding, wish you loads of winds! Let me know what will be your pick eventually!
@@EpicGust Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, my 2014 Slingshot is in the post as I type. I really haven't had any problems with my current Slingshot Rally, I've been using it for two years now (30hours) in salt water (San Jorge, Galicia). I kinda made a calculated risk and only time will tell. But I definately agree with you that I should use more brands. I learnt with a Core, which was great. I guess I am not big at spending hours searching for a kite. But hey! What will be, will be. I just wanna say I love your videos and I do 'try' to learn from them. Maybe I should have seen this video a month earlier.
@@MrChrisnaron no stress mate, the market will buy it once you decide to change them! I am sure you got kite buddies, just ask their kites for a spin! You will understand (or feel) whats you like and whats not! Usually, try them in marginal conditions. When they just enough! Have you seen the link in the description? I made a pdf for buying used kites. I think u will find it useful! Kiting makes us all stoked and that's why it is great. But getting gear must make you turn on your critical side. You must look for flaws and problems. And if the number of those is quite low you found the gem you were looking for! :) Cheers!
I am the same I have been kiting a year I have 5 kites that cost me a total of $1300, mostly old cabrinha switchblades. Though on a plus side I have learn't to change bladders and valves myself and alot more about different kites, tuning bars etc than I would of if I bought new. I am currently saving for an ocean Rodeo allulah roam. Looking forward to getting my first new kite. I agree with what you said and at my level I am not going to be able to articulate the difference really anyway I imagine. I want to go for that kite because they are the strongest, and lightest kite on the market. Which sounds like a win win to me.
Good saving strategies. Honestly, i am not a fan of Switchblades, but i can see they good for starting out, you got the pulling truck feeling. just slow. but that's beneficial for certain disciplines and levels. I recommend trying it. Lately the OK kiteboarder Kyle dropped a nice video and that allula doesnt seem to be a powerful kite. it has its own usability, but maybe not the allround market, rather foil? do your test prior, thats an expensive ride! :)
I'm a beginner that's transitioning from Windsurfing. I've bought a core XR7 9m and this kite compared to F-ONE 9m is insane. I'd like to think a kite is a kite but I believe there are differences. I agree though that recent kites are all good regardless of brand, not that I'm an expert is just my opinion.
In this case - i guess this is an Fone Bandit that you mention, you comparing apples to pears. The Core XR series is a bow shaped hybrid kite with lot of initial pull just by pulling the bar. THe bandit is a delta c shape and all this makes the difference that you feeling. If i want to translate the whole situation to cars and engines - It is like comparing a dodge jeep to a porshe 911. One has a lot of torque - but lower high speed - the dodge. THe Porshe may need higher input - so better driving ability - to get fast quick but then the top speed is far higher - this would be the 911. Each has its on place and benefits, and on certain stages of learing you will find useful one against the other. I personally vote for the bandit shape, due the faster turns and nimble kite. The diameter of the core loop is just too big for my taste. Yet the core hangtime and lift is unbeatable.
@@EpicGust that is a great explanation and yes I believe it was a bandit. My other kite is a crazy fly 13 2016 model. I totally love this kite because if I'm on it, it means the conditions are more my level of riding plus it's super stable and predictable..... I'm totally shit by the way but the learning curve alone has me hooked, I've been missing some great Windsurfing sessions in favour of downwind rides and long walks 🤣..... You've got a great channel by the way I love your metaphoric approach 🤙
I’ve been riding different kites for about 11 years. I would of agreed with this video until I recently tried the duo tone EVO. After my test ride, I went straight home and ordered it that day.
Have you tried all the other brands kite from the same shape? Be careful you can easily fall in the trap that you are so connected to the evo that you never give a chance anything else.
Really interesting and honest.... But... And it's a big but... Look what happened to Zian kites. I just went to look them up based on your recommendation.
The best kite is the kite you like the best after trying. Or well the one you thought looks more awesome then every other kite. I started with lots of old kites in the beginning,Wipika airblast, Naish X2 and X3 then I got A few Best Yargas (great kites to learn with but they litterally came apart every session) Then i got a Best Waroo 2007, and boy was that kite great. Later on i started to work for Epic Kiteboarding, and i happen to love the kites. The 2010 Screamer been my kite fo 8 years and i will get newer ones later on. But i also started testing other kites due to my work last year. I loved the Fluid kites, which was a suprise for me because i feared i wouldnt like them at all. But every kite in their line up worked for me, specially the SKY is an amazing kite for me. I tried other kites from all kinds of brands and i liked many of them just not as much as the fluids and epics.
We are soo much on the same page! Got several bad kites (didn't know they were bad i had fun learning on them) like the wipika - back in time I had to be frugal - but then the Waroo made me progress rapidly. Let's face it - it had depower finally so I lost my fear. That's a big thing in kiting, that allows you to progress! NEver tried the kites you mentioned but boy I want to try the epic kites! Dimitry is a crazy fella and I love the way he presents stuff. Life is too sort to go mainstream - huh? SO TURE! I tried big brands and I do like them but the business tendency is to cut cost on material and ask bigger prices. Not something I can share! Right? :) Happy kiting fellow rider!
@@EpicGust well look up the story of Cody... He was a pioneer in the first man lifting kites.... He never made a green one becourrse its the color of grass and would bring bad luck..... His life ended during a plain crash with one of the Wright Brothers.... Legend go 's he wore green Sox during that crash...
The best compromise between a new kite and a used kite is to find a good closeout deal. A model from a year or two ago is fine, and you get a new kite with that new kite smell.
I'm riding a F-One One kite (a school kite) - super funny, 13m, but now I'd like to buy something more performance-oriented.. to do some jumps and trick. Now I'm thinking about the Evo SLS, the North Reach or the last Supermodel v3.. any ideas out there? I'll use that primarily on 12-20 knots .. 72kg rider with a 143x42 board Super-E.. thank!!
Yo, I was teaching the last 3 summers on those kites. Fone one. Shape wise is actually not so far from the bandit. It loops great. Has huge hangtime. And pull and go style, gives a nice amount of power. I suggest investing in to more kite time or lesson time, and expect higher jumps from that. A new or different kite won't take you higher or won't make it easier, no matter what the marketers say. You have the right tool in your hand. What will bring you higher? it is your refined technique. It is your ability to load the lines more. It is your explosive pop. Invest in skills mate. In case you lacking the right push I am happy to coach you through this. It will cost a lot less than a new kite. And a year later when you buy that new bad boy those skills will take you to the 🌒🌙💪💪
@@EpicGust thanks a lot!! I've been taking lessons on those kites as well. That's why I wondered giving an upgrade.. eg on the 9m I can jump quite well, where I feel the lift as soon as I pull the bar, while I have some troubles on the 13m combining all the proper moves together. However, I think I'll work more on the technique and wait for that new bad boy.. let's keep in touch 😉🤙🏻
Exactly! Small brand big brand, nowadays hard to chose wrong. Unless you chose some C stuff for your beginner days. Or for surfing :) Seen sooo much of that!
Bro i am surprised to see my little island in the Caribbean in this video union island we have a vibrant kitesurfing thing going on here on our island❤
Nice video 👍👍. Light wind foil kite 65kg 12m flysurfer soul get going from 4 knots zeeko blaster with pocket air v3. Smallest kite 5m 2016 north Dyno on the hard setting. Then CRX 7 10 13 basically the cabrinha contra 2018 copy fantastic kites no complaints 👍.
Thank you! Ah that soul thing is just nuts! Love it! 4 knots just unreal! But true i know! Lucky you riding light! I am like 7 kg ahead and that matters :-) I need 15-18m kites for lightwind fun!
Ha! Since I got my speed 5 15m I love that too, no question about it :) Thanks mate for the add! What a pleasure btw, We grow to landkiters watching your Super Kite Day videos :D Bigup! :)
Hey Guido! Thanks for letting me know you have this problem. I just checked it works. If you have a gmail account it will be under the promotions as it recognizes it as one. If you want to keep those mails in your main mailbox, add me to the contact list! or move it to the main once. Possibly with other mail providers you have the same solution!
also there is a delay in the pdf that is being sent out! if you havent moved the first subs mail to the main inbox it is still in that promotion part thingy
Hey man. I glad you asked. Training is great so your control must be good. HAving an instructor or at least an experienced kite friend next to you at your first days is essential for a long life :) No joke, don't spare on this even if cost some money. Benefit: faster learning curve, safe for you and the gear, and they can tell you a lot that only can be told right there right now.
I just got some ozone amp's (c kites set up in 5th line mode) 2nd hand. There amazing. There re launch pretty well to. In the few sessions I've been out on them I progressed more trick wise than I have for year's on hybrid kites. They turn so fast. People are all to quick to write off Cs without really understanding the potential they offer. The best thing people can do is stop obsessing about going big and nail that same simple trick to your weaker side as well. I look around most of my local spots and all I see is people trying kite loop, jump high, freeride or do a back role. The skill set over the years is definitely declining. Kites are way to over priced as well. In 2007 you could buy a 12m complete for under £1000 now there like £1700 complete. It's not about the kite, it's the rider.
I really love that line about nailing that trick on the weak side! Can't agree more. Yet you will always see that one guy who is far from the required skill level, yet he rides his Vegas on a surfboard. Chose your weapon according to your style and level! Pure C is great, i love it, but i know how bad it is for someone who try to progress from beginner/riding upwind level. I love going big, and loop it so i feel those guys on your home spot bro :) It is all about having fun and fun means different things to all of us. And that is OK :) Prices - i am not sure you counting with inflation (since 2008 30%) and other global factors. Enjoy the powerzone whatever way you feel like!
What did you learn on? :o I tried torch first like after years of kiteboarding. Man I was so afraid of it :) Evil power only good if you can surely harness it!
Im sure most people know that's they have to look for the kite that best suits their needs. regardless there are best kite in each class and u didn't talk about any. clickbait?
Like your approach! Well the thing is that as an instructor I meet many many kiters such as fresh and senior kiter and facing this issue that they have an idea about kiting or about a brand that almost religious. They ride Cabrinha/North/Best/whatevs since the beginning and that's the best, period. Also beginners who getting a fuel or Vegas and having no idea what's wrong with them and than Quit kiting. People riding a Vegas since forever with surfboard. Or having foil kites and touching no tubes. I think that's an issue an could be better so made up this video to give an objective perspective. Also helpful for a full beginner before buying a kite. I have been riding many brands an also finding this small one I mentioned opened my eyes too about costs and quality. Probably you are riding since long it is might not new for you. And than you know that the title is for highlighting the video. Clickbait? of course!😇a real conversation starter that might helps others! thanks for your input! Let me know what you ride!
Your title saids best kite in the world. lol. Anywyas I tried this sport on tubes 10 years ago but didn't learn a thing and gave it up but then picked it back up about 2 years ago but by then had been flying foils so mainly use foil kites now, preferably flysurfer. I have flown many different types and brands of kites through out the years and there are definitely noticeable differences in kites and manufacturers. To me foil kites are easier than LEI,s and for what I do they do everything better .
The epic truth about kitesurfing kites! Well 10 years ago tubes were just about to make that progression that made them easy and safe. But got your point since i was the same, bought old tubes, wasnt happy than moved to foils - as landkiting a lot. Loved them. But the two world has different caracteristics. Tubes are dynamic and foils are more static kites.
yeah the out, but some of us know the real reason and it was not the missing advertising rather human selfishness and one fraud in the company :( sad but true.
Lol... man have you ever ridden Duotone/North Rebel? 😂😂. Its so lame to advertise some shitty like like this 😅. Try all the kites before u say they are all the same. Good luck.
Anyway I, am an instructor, using all new gears at schools, and pretty much spending my life around kites. I have some insights :) I rode all the rebels from 2012 till 2017, not yet the 4 liner! Nice kite has an insane hangtime - no coincidence why Mr. Airstyle is on that. It just turns too slow for me. And the 5th line never been my favorite. Had a beginner friend starting with a rebel 2015. Never seen anyone doing self-rescues that often 😂😂 poor buddy made it so many times to flip so there was no chance for relaunch... From the north i, would go for a neo or dice. The first one it is even great for beginners! I am not advertising Zian, as they don't give me anything for this. Just telling what i ride and what i like in them. Have you tried the Zian? You haven't told what you like about your rebels tho!
NO, we will talk about them in the boards' section! :P Do your ride that kite maybe? What is your experience with them? That quality made in Europe must be something interesting to check out!
@@EpicGust 40 nots? Lol forget. Above 23 it's the limit. Beyond there's barely any depower. However the kite was designed for the low end so your missing the point. I can easily kite with 14 nots.
PArtly. Lessons cost 50$/ hr awg. so yeah spend some on that first. Then you can get something from the used market. Won't fall on you for free. So good point on that. But our math is different :)
Hmm, that's weird. A friend of mine has a Crazyfly Sculpt and I helped him to fix the line lengths (as they were far from right - maybe stretching?) and I tried, nothing special, but definitely not garbage! Can't be that the lines got stretched so your bar was way out of trim? The bar - I admit, it isn't too great! But that was at least 3 years old. Since they made the kites in Europe, the kite quality must be good too! Has no experience with this tho. And the board set is outstanding! That is their flagship. No defense but anything will rust if you dont clean it and maintain it - even my mystic harness hook rusts after a year. I am pretty serious about taking care of it and still... What you think?
They have quality control problems. The Elite was taken care of exactly the same as my Carved boards. I'm not throwing around a numbered and plaqued $1300 board nor storing it wet. Their screws and screw inserts rust like crazy. But I know peeps who have the Raptor LTD that don't have problems. The Sculpt... 2018... friend of mine rented it once. I was riding it upwind for him without realizing what it was (No pre-notion) and tried throwing down some sent tricks and was like what is wrong with this kite? doesn't move doesn't depower then looked up...
Yeah, many friends of mine having Raptors and being super satisfied with it! Maybe your case is a warranty issue, some can be bad - God knows how and why tho! No doubt I believe you that this kite wasn't great, but again - rental gear just can be shit! And it sadly reflects on the brand and not on the school/rental. Anyway, it might just not a great kite. Thanks for your input! :)
We used crazyfly at our kiteschool, yes we had a few quality control problems but nothing they didn't help us out with once we notified them. I actually really love my sculp, I'm not sure what you mean about the depower, it's not something we have had a problem with. Everyone knows the raptor, it's a fantastic board and I've had many people tell me they wish they had one. Just add that the bar does suck, the chicken stick has a tendency to ride up the chicken loop and then you become unhooked when you least expect it. Had to keep mine from riding up the chicken loop with some cable ties.
CrazyFly owner here......no issues. Sculps are great kites. 12m pulls like a train. 7m flies like a wasp. Depower works perfectly on all my kites, so not sure what you're talking about. Not amazing at anything, just really good all-round predictable kites. Definitely worth buying. Raptor board is excellent. No issues whatsoever with any part. Performance is fantastic.
What are YOU riding? Is it old? Is it gold? Are you happy with it? (let me guess - of course) Do you have the chance to try other stuff? Let me know!
I realize I am kind of off topic but do anybody know a good site to stream new movies online?
@Connor Allen flixportal :)
@Kamdyn Avi thanks, I went there and it seems like a nice service :) I appreciate it!
@Connor Allen You are welcome :D
Core XR7 11/8/7 - super happy elated over the moon
You hit the point. There is no kite that covers everything and is perfect for everyone. As a beginner, you can buy every reasonably current freeride kite without hesitation. In Europe many kite schools recommend Core Kites, especially the Core XR. I always tell my students: Before you buy your first kite, go to a shop or a testival and test the material. Of course, core kites are among the best you can buy, but does that break as a beginner? Certainly not. Can also be 3-4 years old, as long as linen and cloth are still in order.
I like your video, keep it up.
You are right 2018 kites are mostly all good. Your quick hand drawing of the different kite types Is the clearest and easiest to understand version I’ve ever seen in the Internet😂🤙🏼😎🏄🏽♂️🦇
Thanks, bro appreciate that! :)
I'm currently riding an ozone instinct edge that was in storage of a lady who never ended up using it. I got it for $100. I'm very happy with it and I'm out shredding in surf for hours. No one pump but who gives a shit when new kites can go for over 2500.00 Absolutely ridiculous pricing considering they're made in china or Malaysia for a tiny fraction of the retail value. Design does deserve some profit but really I mean it hasn't been leaps and bounds every time they bring out a new model which is every year. They should really last longer than they do for what they sell them plus a lot of people stay away from kiting due to learning curve and pricing. Great channel by the way. Big thumbs up ; ) from Australia.
Thanks a lot! I agree on that that the kite prices are fairly high, but that's the thing opening the place for smaller brands - I believe. You got lucky with that kite, this is once lifetime stuff, so keep it in good shape. Bladders might need some extra love with time! Thanks for all the compliments, happy kiting!
@@EpicGust and happy kiting to you to brother.Cheers.
I learned on a North Vegas 2001 kite. Got it for FREE! Almost died twice with it but a big learning curve.
Yeah it is possible. I learned on a 2006 wipika kite, by myself.. Do you know that brand? It was hell! But I loved it! Also stopped counting the times I almost died haha 😅
The most honest and review about kites i have seen on youtube,
thank you, great advice too.
appreciate your opinion! thank Nick!
Just got a 2013 10m Nasih ride with bar and lines with probably less than 10 sessions on it for $200 but I agree with you old kites have too much bladder problems.
Yeah, kites after 2012 (maybe even after 2010) will provide a safe depower but the bladders and the one pump tubes getting old. Heat, salt, UV... I guess that's in the business :)
I still have one from 2012 7m which I barley used so it was in good condition. But after a week kiting i had to change all the one pump velves. So kite not older than 3 years is good tip !
Great video! I bought my first kites new (naish cult 2009) and a few years ago again new cabrinha switchblades. Was disappointed with how few difference I felt. A bit snappier but kite evolution has really topped off in my opinion. Just wave kites feel different. For the rest, don’t fall for the marketing bullshit and enjoy your kites! You need a lot of time to outgrow your kites! Cheers
OMG those Naish helix kites looked so nice :)) Your last sentence is gold! THanks for sharing!
With an almost-beginner level, I use a 9-year old, high ratio 5-struts ASV 17.5 in 18-20 knots when everyone uses only their brand new 9/10, and all say I am totally crazy to go out with a 17.5 while still learning. The truth is the sail is slow so super forgiving, holds very comfortably when locked close to the water and it is very usable from 10 to 20 sqm for great free rides plus it sails much closer to the wind than recent tube kites, allowing me to still go out in the surf with on-shore wind. All in all this is my only sail which I paid 80 euros for and this is my beloved workhorse and it allows me to progress and only spend more money for a tubeless kite when I get better ❤️
Stumbled across this video and have to agree with you. Wish I saw this video 9 years ago!
Share with others so they will not have the same regret!
I went from a 2013 Liquid Force Envy to a 2018 North Evo. Much more happier with my Evo.
there are 3143453524 other kites that you would be happier. dont forget to try them, it is fun!
I use a 2016 Slingshot Rally 10mtr, I love it like I did my first car. I have just bought an older Slingshot Rally 2014 7mtr hoping that there will be little difference between the two. I hope I have made the right choice!
I am glad you are happy with it! However, i encourage you to try out other kites first before buying all the same one :)) ! The first kite is always love and love is blind, right? :) but hopefully not deaf! :D I flew a lot of kites, did a whole season on Slingshot Rallies and turbines, and somehow the love did not come.. Unfortunately, they had a lot of issues with quality! And when i say a lot that means a LOT! Hope yours still in one peace! That's not only my opinion but really all my instructor friends who are in the biz since a while. The models i liked form that quiver is the SST and the RPM and the FUEL - last two is def not beginner stuff. But same quality :( So before committing to one brand try the others! :) You thank me later :)
CHeers dude for the comment, keep shredding, wish you loads of winds! Let me know what will be your pick eventually!
@@EpicGust Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, my 2014 Slingshot is in the post as I type. I really haven't had any problems with my current Slingshot Rally, I've been using it for two years now (30hours) in salt water (San Jorge, Galicia). I kinda made a calculated risk and only time will tell. But I definately agree with you that I should use more brands. I learnt with a Core, which was great. I guess I am not big at spending hours searching for a kite. But hey! What will be, will be.
I just wanna say I love your videos and I do 'try' to learn from them. Maybe I should have seen this video a month earlier.
@@MrChrisnaron no stress mate, the market will buy it once you decide to change them! I am sure you got kite buddies, just ask their kites for a spin! You will understand (or feel) whats you like and whats not! Usually, try them in marginal conditions. When they just enough! Have you seen the link in the description? I made a pdf for buying used kites. I think u will find it useful! Kiting makes us all stoked and that's why it is great. But getting gear must make you turn on your critical side. You must look for flaws and problems. And if the number of those is quite low you found the gem you were looking for! :) Cheers!
when i leaned kitesuring i bougt very cheap north vegas that where not to old thats how i learn kitesurfing 4 years ago
I am the same I have been kiting a year I have 5 kites that cost me a total of $1300, mostly old cabrinha switchblades.
Though on a plus side I have learn't to change bladders and valves myself and alot more about different kites, tuning bars etc than I would of if I bought new.
I am currently saving for an ocean Rodeo allulah roam. Looking forward to getting my first new kite. I agree with what you said and at my level I am not going to be able to articulate the difference really anyway I imagine. I want to go for that kite because they are the strongest, and lightest kite on the market. Which sounds like a win win to me.
Good saving strategies. Honestly, i am not a fan of Switchblades, but i can see they good for starting out, you got the pulling truck feeling. just slow. but that's beneficial for certain disciplines and levels. I recommend trying it. Lately the OK kiteboarder Kyle dropped a nice video and that allula doesnt seem to be a powerful kite. it has its own usability, but maybe not the allround market, rather foil? do your test prior, thats an expensive ride! :)
I'm a beginner that's transitioning from Windsurfing. I've bought a core XR7 9m and this kite compared to F-ONE 9m is insane. I'd like to think a kite is a kite but I believe there are differences. I agree though that recent kites are all good regardless of brand, not that I'm an expert is just my opinion.
In this case - i guess this is an Fone Bandit that you mention, you comparing apples to pears. The Core XR series is a bow shaped hybrid kite with lot of initial pull just by pulling the bar. THe bandit is a delta c shape and all this makes the difference that you feeling. If i want to translate the whole situation to cars and engines - It is like comparing a dodge jeep to a porshe 911. One has a lot of torque - but lower high speed - the dodge. THe Porshe may need higher input - so better driving ability - to get fast quick but then the top speed is far higher - this would be the 911. Each has its on place and benefits, and on certain stages of learing you will find useful one against the other. I personally vote for the bandit shape, due the faster turns and nimble kite. The diameter of the core loop is just too big for my taste. Yet the core hangtime and lift is unbeatable.
@@EpicGust that is a great explanation and yes I believe it was a bandit. My other kite is a crazy fly 13 2016 model. I totally love this kite because if I'm on it, it means the conditions are more my level of riding plus it's super stable and predictable..... I'm totally shit by the way but the learning curve alone has me hooked, I've been missing some great Windsurfing sessions in favour of downwind rides and long walks 🤣..... You've got a great channel by the way I love your metaphoric approach 🤙
I’ve been riding different kites for about 11 years. I would of agreed with this video until I recently tried the duo tone EVO. After my test ride, I went straight home and ordered it that day.
Have you tried all the other brands kite from the same shape? Be careful you can easily fall in the trap that you are so connected to the evo that you never give a chance anything else.
Really interesting and honest.... But... And it's a big but... Look what happened to Zian kites. I just went to look them up based on your recommendation.
You have some good cuts here. Keep the content coming!
The best kite is the kite you like the best after trying. Or well the one you thought looks more awesome then every other kite.
I started with lots of old kites in the beginning,Wipika airblast, Naish X2 and X3 then I got A few Best Yargas (great kites to learn with but they litterally came apart every session) Then i got a Best Waroo 2007, and boy was that kite great.
Later on i started to work for Epic Kiteboarding, and i happen to love the kites. The 2010 Screamer been my kite fo 8 years and i will get newer ones later on. But i also started testing other kites due to my work last year. I loved the Fluid kites, which was a suprise for me because i feared i wouldnt like them at all. But every kite in their line up worked for me, specially the SKY is an amazing kite for me. I tried other kites from all kinds of brands and i liked many of them just not as much as the fluids and epics.
We are soo much on the same page! Got several bad kites (didn't know they were bad i had fun learning on them) like the wipika - back in time I had to be frugal - but then the Waroo made me progress rapidly. Let's face it - it had depower finally so I lost my fear. That's a big thing in kiting, that allows you to progress! NEver tried the kites you mentioned but boy I want to try the epic kites! Dimitry is a crazy fella and I love the way he presents stuff. Life is too sort to go mainstream - huh? SO TURE! I tried big brands and I do like them but the business tendency is to cut cost on material and ask bigger prices. Not something I can share! Right? :) Happy kiting fellow rider!
Iv tride couple of kites, its how you ride them actually. So i just went for color 😄. They boost well if they are colorful 😋
we used to say that green kites don't fly. blue does well. the sky is blue. the grass is green. any thoughts? :P
@@EpicGust well look up the story of Cody... He was a pioneer in the first man lifting kites.... He never made a green one becourrse its the color of grass and would bring bad luck..... His life ended during a plain crash with one of the Wright Brothers.... Legend go 's he wore green Sox during that crash...
I have used 10y old Vegas to learn kiting. Hard beginnings but that kite still banging :P
I learned on a WIpika from 2006 :D Can't say the same. The depower was unknown at that time! How is that on your vegas?
The Epic Gust Depower just works in two ways. Full power and no power. I learned to respect every gust on water ^^
I have a Vegas 2012 and this model still be avesome !!! I Buy recently a Evo 2018 but My favorit Kite it's Vegas.
The best compromise between a new kite and a used kite is to find a good closeout deal. A model from a year or two ago is fine, and you get a new kite with that new kite smell.
Fair point! Like the one Best Kiteboarding did lately, 2 kites for one price! Not bad!
That's what I do.😀
I'm riding a F-One One kite (a school kite) - super funny, 13m, but now I'd like to buy something more performance-oriented.. to do some jumps and trick. Now I'm thinking about the Evo SLS, the North Reach or the last Supermodel v3.. any ideas out there? I'll use that primarily on 12-20 knots .. 72kg rider with a 143x42 board Super-E.. thank!!
Yo, I was teaching the last 3 summers on those kites. Fone one. Shape wise is actually not so far from the bandit. It loops great. Has huge hangtime. And pull and go style, gives a nice amount of power. I suggest investing in to more kite time or lesson time, and expect higher jumps from that. A new or different kite won't take you higher or won't make it easier, no matter what the marketers say. You have the right tool in your hand. What will bring you higher? it is your refined technique. It is your ability to load the lines more. It is your explosive pop. Invest in skills mate. In case you lacking the right push I am happy to coach you through this. It will cost a lot less than a new kite. And a year later when you buy that new bad boy those skills will take you to the 🌒🌙💪💪
@@EpicGust thanks a lot!! I've been taking lessons on those kites as well. That's why I wondered giving an upgrade.. eg on the 9m I can jump quite well, where I feel the lift as soon as I pull the bar, while I have some troubles on the 13m combining all the proper moves together. However, I think I'll work more on the technique and wait for that new bad boy.. let's keep in touch 😉🤙🏻
You are right ; Thats the point nowadays you cannot buy shitty stuff. Very different to 15 years ago.
Exactly! Small brand big brand, nowadays hard to chose wrong. Unless you chose some C stuff for your beginner days. Or for surfing :) Seen sooo much of that!
Ocean Rodeo Aluula is probably the best.
I really want to get my hands on one of those! :)
perfect explanation , for all theconsumers that only see the magazines and spend so much money in the kite that use some pro rider ....
pretty much :)
Super nicely explained, great video!
Happy kiting! :)
Bro i am surprised to see my little island in the Caribbean in this video union island we have a vibrant kitesurfing thing going on here on our island❤
Nice video 👍👍.
Light wind foil kite 65kg 12m flysurfer soul get going from 4 knots zeeko blaster with pocket air v3.
Smallest kite 5m 2016 north Dyno on the hard setting.
Then CRX 7 10 13 basically the cabrinha contra 2018 copy fantastic kites no complaints 👍.
Thank you! Ah that soul thing is just nuts! Love it! 4 knots just unreal! But true i know!
Lucky you riding light! I am like 7 kg ahead and that matters :-) I need 15-18m kites for lightwind fun!
GREAT AND SIMPLE
THANK YOU! (we dont have to shout tho) 😂
Well said...... no hard sell . Wise words
🦉 owl was my sign in the kindergarten. at your service sir!
I like Flysurfer Speed5 mostly.
Great video. Added to Top tutorial playlist. 😎👍
Ha! Since I got my speed 5 15m I love that too, no question about it :) Thanks mate for the add! What a pleasure btw, We grow to landkiters watching your Super Kite Day videos :D Bigup! :)
pretty honest point of view ! nice !
Thaks OLK! Pleasure to have you as a viewer!
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hey epic gust! i subscribed but never received the pdf could you send it or share a link? thanks!
Hey Guido! Thanks for letting me know you have this problem. I just checked it works. If you have a gmail account it will be under the promotions as it recognizes it as one. If you want to keep those mails in your main mailbox, add me to the contact list! or move it to the main once. Possibly with other mail providers you have the same solution!
also there is a delay in the pdf that is being sent out! if you havent moved the first subs mail to the main inbox it is still in that promotion part thingy
I have training with HQ rush pro 3 Meter for a month or 2...can i go for an 8m Slingshot Rally or is it too much?
Hey man. I glad you asked. Training is great so your control must be good. HAving an instructor or at least an experienced kite friend next to you at your first days is essential for a long life :) No joke, don't spare on this even if cost some money. Benefit: faster learning curve, safe for you and the gear, and they can tell you a lot that only can be told right there right now.
The best kite in the world is my kite because I can take it to the beach and fly it !
I just got some ozone amp's (c kites set up in 5th line mode) 2nd hand. There amazing. There re launch pretty well to. In the few sessions I've been out on them I progressed more trick wise than I have for year's on hybrid kites. They turn so fast. People are all to quick to write off Cs without really understanding the potential they offer. The best thing people can do is stop obsessing about going big and nail that same simple trick to your weaker side as well. I look around most of my local spots and all I see is people trying kite loop, jump high, freeride or do a back role. The skill set over the years is definitely declining. Kites are way to over priced as well. In 2007 you could buy a 12m complete for under £1000 now there like £1700 complete. It's not about the kite, it's the rider.
I really love that line about nailing that trick on the weak side! Can't agree more.
Yet you will always see that one guy who is far from the required skill level, yet he rides his Vegas on a surfboard. Chose your weapon according to your style and level! Pure C is great, i love it, but i know how bad it is for someone who try to progress from beginner/riding upwind level.
I love going big, and loop it so i feel those guys on your home spot bro :) It is all about having fun and fun means different things to all of us. And that is OK :)
Prices - i am not sure you counting with inflation (since 2008 30%) and other global factors. Enjoy the powerzone whatever way you feel like!
Which model would you recommend for a beginner from either Ozone or Core ? Also do you teach at 414 in Como ?
414como yess! Have you been around?
Ozone -catalyst
Core -xr or nexus
@@EpicGust I am coming the last week of July and would love to schedule a class. How did we do that ?
Has the Zian shut down the shop and production? the website is not available anymore
Yes Zian went bankrupt a year ago, sad story. I am on Ventum now. Small brand , I sticked to the same designer!😁
I've been saying this for a while. Brands that make rubbish will have disappeared by now.
well kinda!
I liked your video, good stuff 👍
Thanks Bud! Appreciate it!
Shared on my blog ;)
THank you! Happy that you liked it!
Any torch is more beginner friendly than what I learned on.
What did you learn on? :o I tried torch first like after years of kiteboarding. Man I was so afraid of it :) Evil power only good if you can surely harness it!
soo truee, tnx champ
my pleasure!
So true!
:))
I legit read "worst kite in the world" and got so invested
Hey, great, fun and interesting video
thank you!
Im sure most people know that's they have to look for the kite that best suits their needs. regardless there are best kite in each class and u didn't talk about any. clickbait?
Like your approach! Well the thing is that as an instructor I meet many many kiters such as fresh and senior kiter and facing this issue that they have an idea about kiting or about a brand that almost religious. They ride Cabrinha/North/Best/whatevs since the beginning and that's the best, period. Also beginners who getting a fuel or Vegas and having no idea what's wrong with them and than Quit kiting. People riding a Vegas since forever with surfboard. Or having foil kites and touching no tubes. I think that's an issue an could be better so made up this video to give an objective perspective. Also helpful for a full beginner before buying a kite. I have been riding many brands an also finding this small one I mentioned opened my eyes too about costs and quality. Probably you are riding since long it is might not new for you. And than you know that the title is for highlighting the video. Clickbait? of course!😇a real conversation starter that might helps others! thanks for your input! Let me know what you ride!
Your title saids best kite in the world. lol. Anywyas I tried this sport on tubes 10 years ago but didn't learn a thing and gave it up but then picked it back up about 2 years ago but by then had been flying foils so mainly use foil kites now, preferably flysurfer. I have flown many different types and brands of kites through out the years and there are definitely noticeable differences in kites and manufacturers. To me foil kites are easier than LEI,s and for what I do they do everything better .
The epic truth about kitesurfing kites! Well 10 years ago tubes were just about to make that progression that made them easy and safe. But got your point since i was the same, bought old tubes, wasnt happy than moved to foils - as landkiting a lot. Loved them. But the two world has different caracteristics. Tubes are dynamic and foils are more static kites.
The best kite is the one my dad made me when I was 6...
🤣🤣🤣🙏
just one question. Does it looP? 🤔
Well looks that no advertising was maybe not the way to go for Zian kitsurfing afterall... out of business by the look of it 😕
yeah the out, but some of us know the real reason and it was not the missing advertising rather human selfishness and one fraud in the company :( sad but true.
the best kite depends on the color!
So true! 😎 What is yours? Mine is black! And orange 😍
@@EpicGust won't reveal my secrets that easily!
@@darklanouou hahaha the dark side rising! Good point 😜😈
Lol... man have you ever ridden Duotone/North Rebel? 😂😂. Its so lame to advertise some shitty like like this 😅. Try all the kites before u say they are all the same. Good luck.
Anyway I, am an instructor, using all new gears at schools, and pretty much spending my life around kites. I have some insights :)
I rode all the rebels from 2012 till 2017, not yet the 4 liner! Nice kite has an insane hangtime - no coincidence why Mr. Airstyle is on that. It just turns too slow for me. And the 5th line never been my favorite. Had a beginner friend starting with a rebel 2015. Never seen anyone doing self-rescues that often 😂😂 poor buddy made it so many times to flip so there was no chance for relaunch... From the north i, would go for a neo or dice. The first one it is even great for beginners!
I am not advertising Zian, as they don't give me anything for this. Just telling what i ride and what i like in them. Have you tried the Zian? You haven't told what you like about your rebels tho!
Advance kites are the best 😜, I would give the price to Ride from Naish for being the worst kite I have ever used
Actually there would be a great competition in the worst kite too haha. But that what it took to develop new stuff. Every failure lead us here!
OMG soo wow
I reckon thats good! Thank you! :)
Zain gonne to shit..Gong, Switch and Takoon offer kites at roughly half the price of the major brands.(copied from a forum FYI)
I happened to know what happened to Zian, it is a bit more complicated. But The good guys from ziam made Ventum. It is still thriving! Look em up!
RIP Crazyfly :/
NO, we will talk about them in the boards' section! :P Do your ride that kite maybe? What is your experience with them? That quality made in Europe must be something interesting to check out!
Doutone neo for me... 9 meters...
wow, what about 40 knots? what about twintip in 14 knots? you stay on the beach i reckon with your 9!
@@EpicGust 40 nots? Lol forget. Above 23 it's the limit. Beyond there's barely any depower. However the kite was designed for the low end so your missing the point. I can easily kite with 14 nots.
@@TiagoRuivo that's very good skill on you! Most people don't touch a 9m before 20knots. 40kn is still fun - bigair stuff start there!
@@EpicGust not at all. It's the kite itself. Often I'm on the water with kites like 14m on bigger and I'm ridding. Also help to be 80 kg.
mmmmmmm ok
So we can spend thousands on a decent kite or thousands on lessons, trying different kites, before we spend thousands on a decent kite....got it
PArtly. Lessons cost 50$/ hr awg. so yeah spend some on that first. Then you can get something from the used market. Won't fall on you for free. So good point on that. But our math is different :)
Crazyfly makes some crappy products. Ex: Elite, $1300 board that rusts, Sculpt. Total garbage with no depower.
Hmm, that's weird. A friend of mine has a Crazyfly Sculpt and I helped him to fix the line lengths (as they were far from right - maybe stretching?) and I tried, nothing special, but definitely not garbage! Can't be that the lines got stretched so your bar was way out of trim? The bar - I admit, it isn't too great! But that was at least 3 years old. Since they made the kites in Europe, the kite quality must be good too! Has no experience with this tho. And the board set is outstanding! That is their flagship. No defense but anything will rust if you dont clean it and maintain it - even my mystic harness hook rusts after a year. I am pretty serious about taking care of it and still... What you think?
They have quality control problems. The Elite was taken care of exactly the same as my Carved boards. I'm not throwing around a numbered and plaqued $1300 board nor storing it wet. Their screws and screw inserts rust like crazy. But I know peeps who have the Raptor LTD that don't have problems. The Sculpt... 2018... friend of mine rented it once. I was riding it upwind for him without realizing what it was (No pre-notion) and tried throwing down some sent tricks and was like what is wrong with this kite? doesn't move doesn't depower then looked up...
Yeah, many friends of mine having Raptors and being super satisfied with it! Maybe your case is a warranty issue, some can be bad - God knows how and why tho! No doubt I believe you that this kite wasn't great, but again - rental gear just can be shit! And it sadly reflects on the brand and not on the school/rental. Anyway, it might just not a great kite. Thanks for your input! :)
We used crazyfly at our kiteschool, yes we had a few quality control problems but nothing they didn't help us out with once we notified them. I actually really love my sculp, I'm not sure what you mean about the depower, it's not something we have had a problem with. Everyone knows the raptor, it's a fantastic board and I've had many people tell me they wish they had one. Just add that the bar does suck, the chicken stick has a tendency to ride up the chicken loop and then you become unhooked when you least expect it. Had to keep mine from riding up the chicken loop with some cable ties.
CrazyFly owner here......no issues. Sculps are great kites. 12m pulls like a train. 7m flies like a wasp. Depower works perfectly on all my kites, so not sure what you're talking about. Not amazing at anything, just really good all-round predictable kites. Definitely worth buying. Raptor board is excellent. No issues whatsoever with any part. Performance is fantastic.
Clear Casey Neistat inspiration in your videos !
Thanks mate, that can be very true! I like that guy and what and how he does. 😎