"People want to learn more but they don't want to learn deeper." It's sometimes shocking how hard some of your deep truths hit but are seemingly dropped in as a throwaway line.
I think people also just flat out don't know the difference. "learning is learning" Once you try understand any topic more deeply, first meta realization that you have is that NOTHING is just one thing. Once you try to understand a second topic more deeply, you realize that EVERYTHING IS LIKE THIS.
@@chriss3404Yup. Probably also helped by the fact that most people think intelligence is fixed, and knowledge that is learned deeply (EVERYTHING IS LIKE THIS) is more generalisable, thus increasing intelligence which contradicts the first belief.
I swear this is the only writing channel which is actually funny and engaging and not just a writing-guru who thinks not liking kids films makes them edgy.
Couldn't care less about enneagram on other people. Never did. However, when I saw your video "Characters are not people", something in my head clicked and I went back to the enneagram to write one of my characters. BOOM. Fleshed the fuck outta him.
It's super useful, especially with all the "research" people have done and the ways people can have "positive" and "negative" character arcs and who connects with who in different relationships. The characters quite literally write themselves. The best part is that if something doesn't match your vision or vibe for that character, you can just leave it out or go against it. No one knows you are using a specific enneagram unless you say so. It's one of the best tools I've found in years.
The thing with this approach: Could you not use it with any personality model, no matter its veracity or structure? Because it just sounds like a writing aid of sorts. A complex rule of thumb. Theoretically, could you not do the same writing process by going in-depth on star signs?
@@thatbabybird1120 In the same vein of "pathology types", something that helped me with my own problems for a while was identifying the biggest problems along the lines of the cardinal sins. Sloth and Gluttony being the primal ones at the time, and still are, which makes the 9 video hit me like a brick...
Really liking this enneagram stuff it’s super interesting. MBTI never really did it for me cause it was too nice. I like how enneagram roasts the shit out of you instead
it's funny because (and mind I'm not a very big fan of the MBTI either) the MBTI also has the problem of people turning a very contextual tool into a limiting persona. Like how enneagram goes from "I have a type 2 problem" to "I am a type 2♥" the MBTI was conceptualized as possible kneejerk reactions to approaching new information, not turning people into sitcom characters. ie: do you need to define your own relationship to the information, or do you need to understand other people's relation to it? if 1: you're an I, and if 2: you're an E. Do you draw conclusions early or late? if 1:J. if 2:P. (I'm not sure I'm characterizing these correctly, but I think you get the jist)
@@WoodenBenchyou definitely can see this when you go into the subreddits for each mbti. any thinking type or “intellectual” type is flooded with self-absorbed psuedo-intelligent assholes who think their type is an excuse for their lack of emotional maturity…it gets really annoying cuz MBTI gets treated like zodiacs nowadays
@@WoodenBench I think you have a major misconception about mbti. That I or E, T or F you get the point is a modern dichotomic adaption off mbti by the myers-briggs duo who wanted to simplify it and some guy after them who consumerized it, which actually originated from Carl Jung's theory of Cognitive Functions. Yeah, not personality or whatever, just cognition, simply how you think. According to Jung, there are 8 identified functions that encompasses the human cognitive psych that everyone has (but in different orders): Thinking, Feeling, Intuition, and Sensation off which there are Internal and External Versions. The 16 types themselves are also simply approximate categorizations, not a defined limitation. Just like the enneagram, it is not suppose to be scientific but helpful in understanding the thinking processes of other people and yourself, not their persona, allowing us to communicate our own thoughts easier and have sympathy for people who think differently. No hate (I'm serious), but you should have come across the deeper mbti stuff if you ya know, dig a little deeper like Sean (is that his name) did bc when reading into it a bit more, I found the actual theory in the official subreddit, and its the dominant theory soo
I don't like the mbti for characters or for real people. I've taken it myself for fun in the past, and I tend to score around 50% in certain aspects, so that the trait it assigns to me can shift depending on my mood that day. I read the descriptions of the different personality types and thought to myself "this sounds just generic enough that half of those could apply to me"
I’m 22, have never ever heard of enneagram’s in my life, glad this is my first exposure to it rather than the buzzfeed novelty you describe first seeing it as.
@@crix_h3eadshotgg992 It was the opposite for me really. I was searching articles relating to the base 10 counting system, and found the enneagram. It was quite convenient, because all my deities are numbers.
@@crix_h3eadshotgg992 Had the opposite reaction to be honest. I was reading articles on the base 10 number system, and found the enneagram. It was convenient, and just the type of stuff I was looking for. All my deities are *literally* numbers, and I was searching the internet to find someone who personified the numbers into different categories. Of course, I don't think it applies well to real humans. However, I find it good as a building block in a character.
One conflict I have with this process is that “we are describing people’s problems, not people themselves” as earlier said in the video, yet we refer to people as their numbers instead of “one who has problems in the (insert number) category”. One explanation I can think of is that “well characters aren’t people so we can just call them a (insert number)” but Local gave the example of labeling someone as “a 5” instead of someone who said “a problem under the 5th category”. Just makes me confused on if we are classifying people by their numbers or not. Otherwise I enjoy the thought exercise this creates.
Yeah I didn’t commit to the language change because it’s annoying, it was more important to me that I introduce the alternative idea. When I say 9, I mean person with 9 problems
So, Local's previous posts on the Enneagram sent me down the rabbit hole and forced me to reevaluate all of my character work in my own writing. I feel like he's about to drop a free MasterClass on this stuff and I'm here for it... Edit - I'm now on my third watch through and dove into Lucas' Patreon because my entire character worksheet (I use a home-build Lucidchart Frankenstein) is going to get a rebuild off this series... Thanks for the next several weekends of not sleeping bruh... (I kid... sorta)
I learned Enneagrams in-depth in college, a communications course called Intimate Communication. I had the same initial reaction to it as you did, then found it to be a very useful tool when relating to people. It's not perfect, but it's interesting to look at how people behave in the context of how they learned to survive. Schema therapy seemed always to me to be an extension of this concept, and helped me immensely.
Usually i don't bother with the enneagram because my characters end up bland. But that's a skill issue. You explain it beautifully and I'm going to try this out again asap
How I’ve gone about it is started with a concept for a character and then afterwards use the enneagram system to flesh out the aspects of my character that I hadn’t filled myself. So I go about the dynamic character stuff and then the ennegram is for when I’m stumped and don’t know what to do.
I actually never thought of the enneagram as a practical tool. I dug into enneagram theory for the sake of knowing it, and while I do use it to examine stories, I don't believe it could be used on people (without even trying lmao). My conception of the enneagram is a lie that each person tell themselves, which makes truth the final pursuit. Therefore, I got a little confused when you said that the assignment is not the truth. Your viewpoint is refreshing amongst people who speak about the enneagram though. When people take vibes and aesthetics seriously, it gets lame. Thanks for the video.
I think one of the most powerful uses of the enneagram is giving a character one type of fixation, but having them believe that they have a different one; the whole "what they want versus what they need" thing. People lie to and confuse themselves all the time, and the brain is a notoriously poor judge of its own mechanics. It opens up possibilities for dynamic and flawed relationship scenarios, practically primed to implode once the right thing short circuits the delusion. This works especially well when contrasted against characters with more consistent worldviews, or ones that exhibit the true fixations that other characters are deluding themselves about.
I always viewed the enneagram as just core ideas, and so in stories when 2 different enneagrams meet and have a conflict, its a debate between those two ideas. So if you have a 7 and a 1 character or even just a 1/7 character and the presents of a 1/7 ideal , it will be basically a debate between, Need and Want. Or 1 and 8 would be a debate on whether the ends justify the means. And although this doesn't work as well in smaller relationships, it is apparent in overarching narratives.
man, being first introduced to the enneagram by local from videos ago made me begin using it. I found it super useful, but I began creating characters from the enneagram numbers itself first and deciding "ok, so this trio I have is a 2, 7, and 1. Now, what type of core belief would these 2, 7, and 1 have that makes them that way" which helped me in some cases, but more often than not felt like I would just create this cycle for myself, where I would look at the core belief days or weeks later and say "what was I thinking, I'm trying to force a character that's a 9 into a 1" and so on. All this to say, I'm still a fat novice at this writing thing (I'm one of those "oc" artists that just wants to understand (my, but all) characters better) so 3 local videos in 2 days feels like Christmas. Absolute favorite channel right now, thank you mr local 🙏
LITERALLY. I showed my boyfriend who happens to be a type three and it frustrated him so much cause it hurt his feelings. He would be mad I said that. I love getting roasted. It hurts but thank goodness something or someone can call me out on my blind spots. The BIG 5 is evil lol. Jk
Big 5 is also the most scientifically accepted. Is it really a typology tho? I thought it measures people in 5 spectrums, it's probably why it has predictive power cause it actually doesn't take this impossible task of categorizing people.
The Five Factor Personality Index is expressly _not_ a typology. It seeks to measure people's positions on five separate spectral axes, not types, which are categories. It's the difference between saying "that's red" and saying "that light has a wavelength of 700 nanometres". The former views a spectrum and draws lines to separate it into categories (red, yellow, INTJ, Type 4 etc), the latter just seeks to find a person's place on the spectrum, not drawing lines through it. It's the classic type vs trait argument in psychometrics.
I feel like the use of a majority of labels are watered down to this extent, humans need labels but we rely on them so much that it causes us to blame the labels for being superficial but it’s us. We are superficial, and when we don’t try to take a step back and see things for what they are, these labels (that should be useful) seem to consume us entirely
@@Randomgalthe1stnever learned anything by talking to "sane" pepole ... The truth arises from diversity , He may be going full nutter , He may have the truth of how to exist , I don't know yet , and nobody will have a final say on this , I need to see more , and i need to make up my mind about this ... It could be a good model it could be shite ...
I did the same thing :D that's awesome to see it reflected and put to use! I have a deep intuitive knowing of the numbers and sounds like we had a similar journey with the Enneagram, absolutely love your take on it and completely agree that everyone has their own interpretation. My favorite book and highly recommend is all about the loss of being starting at 9 which coincides through the ego development from infancy with these two books: "The Psychological Birth of The Human Infant" and "The Spiritual Dimension of the Enneagram" - my absolute favorite. Wishing everyone the best in using these to create their stories. Start from the unhealth stage, and you can literally plot the growth to their "Holy Idea".
The key to understanding the enneagram is seeing that all of the numbers are _joined together._ It's the forest that nobody can see for all the multi-colord trees that make it up. This is the same misunderstanding people have about Qabalah, which is supposed to describe reality by dividing it into ten neat little aspects called sephirot. The thing with this sephirot is that, likewise, they are not really categories but diffeent reflectins of the whole, which is why they exist as a unified tree, not in isolation. Alos like the enneagram, the Qabalah has a dark counterpart called the Qliphort, which is made up of the Yetzer Harah I.E the dark inclination of God. Unsurprisingly, then, thee is an eleventh empty position of the Tree of Life call Da'at which has two principle characteristics: 1. It's a spot any sephirot can occupy and it unifies all of them. 2. It's a portal to the Qliphort I.E the reverse side of the tree. All of these systems which attempt to describe human behaviour, such as enneagram, astrology, Myer Briggs, are really the same as Qabalah. Or, more specifically, the archetype of wholeness in the human psyche whcih produced all of them and is the principle object of faith in the perenial philsophy and every world religion.
I've also started learning "esoteric" knowledge systems, first as just like a vibe, but the more I take them seriously I'm shocked at how human and sensical they are. Yeah they fall apart when you approach them with crunchy rationality, but our culture has tricked me and a lot of us into thinking that pure reason is the only lens that matters, and my life is better for having alternative viewpoints, even if some of them look silly on the surface.
Ever since your first enneagram video I've been fixated on it, only cooling down in interest in the past month. I keep thinking about people's and characters' types and have my own little opinions of which versions of the enneagram are better in what ways. I was super hyped for this video!
Never even heard of this thing. Please continue. I'd like to see more of this topic specifically because I find it so interesting, even thought I would describe myself as a relatively charasmatic and extroverted person without as much trouble talking to people as you say you do. However I also love your other writing content. Tldr please never stop youre one of my favorite youtubers
I feel like I've gotten twice as competent at storytelling since I started watching your content. A lot of the stuff you talk about puts a lot of pieces that I already had within me into place, seeing them in their context in which they are useful. The way you present your information is very friendly to my AuDHD brain as well. Unlike other writing channels, I actually feel like I'm being TAUGHT here, instead of "doing research." Thanks dude. You're the GOAT.
I've done a lot of reading and thinking about the enneagram after your first video about it. I only gave the whole thing a second look because you made it sound so pragmatically useful. So thanks, i needed that :}
What's crazy to me is watching quality TV shows and spotting the types across each story. Like... the writers of most of these shows don't have the enneagram, yet they write their characters really really well. It's incredible to look at.
Happy to see three new LocalScriptMan videos appear in the last two days! Your previous video on the Enneagram (and your character sheets) have been extremely helpful in a video game project I have been working on, an NES-era-inspired RPG that turns out to have way more going on than it at first lets on. I'll spare you all the irrelevant details, but part of the plan was to have ten playable characters, the first being a sort of "blank slate" character primarily defined by player actions, while the other nine had more firmly established personalities that might go in different directions depending on exactly how one plays the game. I was struggling a bit with how to make such a diverse array of characters feel distinct when I happened to blunder across your Enneagram video, and, well, the rest flowed intuitively. I was able to fit each of the nine types into each of those nine characters without TOO much feeling arbitrary, but I shall look forward to this series, in hopes I might continue to fill in what blanks still remain. Still have a degree of skepticism about applying the thing to actual real humans, though I'd be willing to assign it more credibility than most of the other attempts to categorize human personalities, but I must admit the 4 personality type rung pretty true to me, even if I would always have imagined myself more along the lines of a 1 in principle. *Shrug* Anyway, yeah, the thing does have a lot of value for crafting fictional characters for sure.
I was procrastinating to watch the video because of my scepticism on this "astrology for smart people" type of bs. But I'm so glad I did. Your channel is super helpful, love you
"If I kick _this_ spot on the vending machine, I'll get free chips. I don't know why; the point is it works." While not the best mentality everywhere, I can definitely vibe with this.
I have never sued a system like this for developing my stories or characters. Not because I don't think it works or is valid, but because I effectivly do what Local does in reverse: I don't use my models to understand people, I understand people in order to build my models. (Generally. In practices everyone does this and the two feed into each other.) So when I write, a character will emerge (by what processes god only knows) I'll write about them, and then I'll realize _retroactively_ that I wrote an EITP, or whatever. The only exception to this I can remember is when I wrote a character I had pegged as INFP after the fact and wanted to write his polar opposite, So naturally, I started with the idea that they would be ESTJ. I never fully realized this character due toe xternal circumstances, but I'm confident it would have been useful in a manner similar to what Local describes here.
Enneagram really helped me. I swear it uncovered an aspect of myself I hadn’t even thought about. I’ve always been interested in learning and academia, and it’s pretty obvious to myself and everyone around me. But the enneagram helped me realize that part of that urge to know everything came from my perfectionist tendencies. I would spend so much time researching so that I didn’t have to be awkward and bad at things. I watch videos about how to write instead of actually just writing. After I found my enneagram, those things became apparent to me. I stopped researching and plotting and started to do things. If you were playing “guess the enneagram” at home, I am a 5. Or that’s what I call myself anyway. I’ve only done a bit of light research, so I’m not really qualified to say what type I am with any certainty, but… That was a 5 joke. You can laugh now
Super big enneagram fan here! I got into enneagram a while back to improve my characters and writing, but now I use it for both my writing and personal life. Excited for the series! On the subject of subtypes and wings, while I do understand that they further complicate this already complicated system, I feel like they’re useful for understanding how certain traits may show up. For some people it’s easy to do figure out a type, but for others it can be difficult. But I think it’s also important to not depend on descriptions of other people. It’s easy enough once you understand each type and what the three instincts mean. I think from there you can simply figure out how that manifest without depending too heavily on a stereotype. I’d like to add that I feel more strongly about subtypes rather than wings-which is a whole other thing. I do agree with you though, when it comes to teaching about enneagram or anything like this, you want to not overload anyone with information, but invite them to learn more on their own.
I'm ready to go hard in the yard. I'm ready to go ham salad! I really like your enneagram videos. In this one particularly, I really like how you described the types as fixations, because it hits it home that it is a core flaw or wound and the traits around it trying to manage or work around. This is everything you need to give a character a center and a trajectory for their arc. Ultimately that's what we've exploring a the most with your channel. Great work! I'm so excited to see your examinations on the numbers. Hayley ^_^
dude ive been waiting for full enneagram mode. and i'll continue to wait patiently for #5. i know, i know, i shouldnt be excited, but i am. do us some justice, i feel like 5s have alot of story potential- rdj as sherlock holmes (first movie only plz?) stands out as a great one. the burdens of all the types can be interesting and serve many functions, but i find that the curse of knowledge is a higher curse than vibes or body. finally, 'fear type' is a bit of a miss. not bc of truth or whatever, but bc knowledge is the curse, not fear. everyone has fear and constantly copes with the fear of death- the good vibes or heart bros are just ways of coping with it as well. knowledge is the escape from which there is no escape. the elevation that truly becomes submergence- a black hole from which you cant escape. there is no going back once the veil is lifted. but there is always going back for the vibe types or comfort types, they can just call it a bad day. or at least that's kinda been my experience. the other types are allowed/able to step outside themselves more often and with more acceptance and resources than 'the investigator' type, imo. anyways i love your channel and content and ive been subscribed for a long ass time now. i plan to look into your consulting by early next year. cheers
Thanks for this man. I naturally like to identify with like any categorizing system and you've helped me remind myself "HEY. This is not YOU. It's your PROBLEMS. You don't want to IDENTIFY with it, you want to OVERCOME it." So yeah thanks :)
This video came at the perfect time! I had recently gotten into the enneagram through your videos, but after checking out other enneagram creators as well, I feel like I started getting overwhelmed and lost in the sauce. Your distinction that the enneagram diagnoses problems is extremely helpful for me. Looking forward to the series
Yessir 🔥 I didnt know what the enneagram even was until i found this channel and it seems just natural to use it in character writing, but obvs i cant find shit online that's actually useful about the types bc the way they talk about the core fears is so vague and they tend to focus on the personality traits that (allegedly) come with each type instead of the useful meat of the theory that im actually interested in--it's been downright impossible to type myself or anybody besides like Max Verstappen. Thanks for bringing up how it's a tool to identify and solve a problem instead of just a label for the sake of quirkiness, i feel like that's kind of something that people lost in the discussion of mental illness labels at some point too, so now people's uncles wont listen to you if you say the word "depression" because they think it's something wishy washy instead of a problem with identified symptoms and solutions
The Tree of Life is also broken up into "clusters": Malkuth is radically different from the lower, middle, and upper portions of the tree just as they are from each other because it represents the physical world of the senses. As you go up the tree, it gets more abstract untill the top three spheres can't even be assimilated into consciousness. They are superconscious. Below that are the conscious spheres and below that, just above Malkuth, are the unconscious spheres. In spite of all this, all of the sephirot are united.
Thank you for existing, Lucas. Your laid-back energy is always so enjoyable to watch, but you're so articulate and thoughtful in your writing of these videos that it really holds my attention, which is not an easy task. Your channel has significantly helped me build a stronger and far more thorough approach to my writing, and has pulled me out of writer's block numerous times. Thank you! 😁
see, this kind of stuff is why I have subscribe. your priorities in creating stuff, and how to use tools both for the craft, and personnal growth, just speak to me so much more than many tips and tricks that i've learned. because there no romantisation, no "vibe" or "throwing darts and see what works". so I get into the core of the subject without having to decode the metaphor and the fluf.
I always felt this way about all the pseudosciences. . Not into horoscopes, but using the archetypes to identify problems in the various social structures people create for themselves is a fun thought experiment if you wield enough knowledge about the system itself
I think it's hilarious that we had almost the exact same experience with Enneagrams by the sound of it, but i tossed the idea before I realized there was value. "Woah, this seems useful in a way those dumb personality tests aren't!!!" -> "Wait why can I only find buzzfeed quizzes" -> "this is stupid" -> "I guess i kinda like the framing of thinking about core motivating flaws" -> "screw this, I'm not going to pan for gold in this mountain of insufferable crap content" ... years go by... this video happens... "wait yeah, that does sound useful!"
I'm gonna level with you, your videos about the enneagram have encouraged me to write again, and it's absolutely changed my life and the way I write. Thank you!!
as an enneagram 1 who was deep in hating himself while finding about the enneagram, it being "negative" is why i stuck to it like an obsessed leech hahaha, love this video!!! liked subbed and all
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I’m so glad you’re making this series every other TH-camr. I watched tend to take more subjective approach rather than objective. I really like how clear and cut to the points you are. Thank you for making this looking forward to the whole series.
I love that this video just wants to say things how they are, to the best of Mr. Scriptman's ability Like, "This isn't some perfect exact science, this is just where we've learned to kick the vending machine, take it or leave it." Some sources would be nice though, to help people research for themselves
Hey I wanted to say that your channel is my favorite writing channel I’ve ever come across. I have learned so much and my stories are forever changed because of it. Thank you for your videos
You agonized over making this argument so hard that it worked I have now decided to make this my personal religion No I will not wait to hear what you have to say about it, this is my life now
I can't explain how helpful this has been. I've been trying to peg a character as a number this whole time. Their backstory might make their core issue another number, but characters aren't numbers, they're dealing with a specific numbered problems at specific times. Realizing that's confusing. Uh, maybe just know you're video was immensely helpful. Thank you. On the off-hand you did understand that, I'd love to see your take on the topic. I feel like I've seen this in long running series or a novel, but don't know if I've seen that covered in film. Don't even know if it's a good idea.
i luv ur vids :D my writing has been so much more organized with ur advice. excited for this! i love the enneagram! its helped me understand myself and others a little better
ive always thought about the enneagram a lot when interacting with others, though its mostly regarding my own actions. its like easy level psychology to me. all about motives and fixations. Thank you for defending the Enneagram thinker state
Uh oh, you sound my like uncle I was on board when you were highlighting this as a character writing tool, not a real people decoder. You said it yourself, people are affected by their environments at a young age. Perhaps also consider people are constantly affected by their environments, all the time. Promise there are more numbers than 9, okay? I mean, mbti’s got 16, but also 4, depending who you ask. But also 128. 12 signs… you get the idea. It’s arbitrary where you draw the line on what a distinct behaviour/motive is. Trying to “hack” people, instead of the ye-olde-fashionede-getting-to-know-them isn’t going to give any long term benefits. Unless you don’t care about that, in which case, proceed. I’m sure your acquaintances and business partners adore you
So stoked on this. I feel so seen or whatever. Shit is just so relatable. I can’t help but to look for enneagram traits in every single person I meet and it’s helped me understand people so much. Without it I’d have no idea where I’d be.
First off, what books did you use? That explains a lot. I'm big into personality systems such as Astrology, Tarot, and the 16 types, but never wrapped my head around this one. Not actually being a personality test explains the issue, and why it wasn't making sense. Excited for this series, and I rang the bell. Though I'm unsure when I subscribed. (If you're a friend, I'm so sorry I forgot. Going through stuff mentally rn)
Glad I gave this video a shot. I hate these kinds of categorizations and it was honestly kind of frustrating whenever you'd bring up the enneagram in your earlier videos. I don't know if I'm totally on board with it being useful yet, but this perspective made me willing to give it another shot. It definitely makes a difference if it's describing a problem or drive people have in common rather than dividing people into categories.
This video is effing perfect! I love enneagram as a writing tool but I always knew there was something missing with the way a lot of people go about it. Everything you’ve said in this video is infused into my brain and it feels great to hear someone else speak it outloud What I always say to the people that are understandably skeptical of it is “I know it seems like a box we’re putting people into, but Thanos and Hermione Granger are the same type enneagram and they’re completely different.” And that always gets a chuckle out of someone. It’s just about the why to the motive not the action that resulted of the motive
I used the enneagram as stated in the True Detective video and it worked so well in how to mold characters into conflicting dynamics that they should hold to make them, and the story, more intriguing. Thank you.
As far as self development goes, naranjo's ennagram is probably the most useful. He was a psychologist and wrote about the common childhood reasons for why people developed their issues.
You sir, are a king. My mom introduced me to the enneagramm years ago, because she's far into mystical Christianity and stuff like that on an intellectual level. I've been using it since then to understand the world and the people in it. I even went to some seminars regarding it, because I "suffer from type 5" and deep understanding of shit gives me the giggles. Also I have a deep fixation on type 4s, because they always do incredible stuff, I can sort of get but that seem so strange to me at the same time. I love it. When you talked about, how the clusters are actually pretty far apart, and that 4s and 5s have a rather distant relationship, that made me feel. Also if you're traveling the stress/integration lines they are the furthest apart from each other of all the numbers that are next to each other on the circle. Also the mathematical and geometric shapes inside the Enneagramm are great. The 3-6-9 triangle is an interesting dynamic I think. Now I'm even more of a fan as I was before this video/series ^.^
Thank you for opening my eyes to the enneagram Local senpai. The enneagram made me realize that, on a fundamental level, we as humans operate on our own selfish needs, those specific needs being dictated by our unique upbringing. This is such a helpful tool when it comes to writing, I don't know where I would be without it😌
Maybe i should get more into the Enneagram system. The personality system i've been really obsessed with is the Class/Aspect system from Homestuck, which apparently like the Enneagram, is something you start to see everywhere once you get into it. In theory, the Aspects (Time, Space, Breath, Blood, Life, Doom, Hope, Rage, Heart, Mind, Light, Void) are basically the components that make up all of subjective reality. Seeing them in myself has genuinely helped me understand myself and my desires as a person, and made me feel like I understand my subjective existence better. I think the concept of not saying "i am a type 2" and instead saying "i have a type 2 fixation" is actually very helpful, and something that could be applied to the classpect system as well. The system was originally created to be applied to characters in a story, not to real people, and generally describes the concepts that rule over a character's life, the language through which they understand existence. For example, I describe myself as a "Sylph of Heart", more or less meaning "Healer/Fixer of Soul/Emotion". More or less my default way of seeing things is in terms of emotion and identity, i'm endlessly self-reflective to an almost obsessive degree. The answer to self-actualization, to me, is a romantic, all-encompassing self-love, because it means my greatest ally is with me 100% of the time. I tend to be drawn to the friend-therapist role, because i have a desire to be a fixer for people, to help them appreciate themselves the way i do. It would be hard, but not impossible, for me to understand the world from the perspective of, say, a Mage of Mind (Understander of Logic/Choice) or a Prince of Hope (Destroyer of Faith/Desire). Anyway. All that is to say. I already have the right type of brain for this stuff, I think. The Enneagram seems useful in a similar but different way.
the adverbial vs adjectival distinction is not only important for enneagram but also for how we look at the world/each other/ourselves in general. good stuff, Maynard.
Let’s gooooo! Love learning more about enneagram stuff. Was pumped about JoshKeefe’s series but … I dunno where that guy went…not sure how long it’ll take to get to 7 at this rate. Although the Tony stark thing was kind of throwing us a bone… anyway, looking forward to your series bro!
I’m interested in this stuff as a fictional tool, and I’m stoked it’s helped you understand yourself and others. Buuuuuuutttt… I’m worried you are falling into the Joseph Campbell trap of ‘this cool way I analyze stories must be applied to everything!’ And we saw how bunk that is with Campbell. As long as you aren’t charging a bunch of money for enneagram seminars I think we’re cool.
Kind of unrelated to the video, but that learning social que's shit is so real and I find it kinda fascinating just how many other ways untalented social people have found ways to be social. Me personally, I've changed my approach over time as I learned more and more I have a nick for understanding patterns and went from not ever reading rooms and being a little asshole prick, to mbti, to reading body language to now being a smiling asshole that tests waters in real time and determines recent patters, natural patterns and possible causes for those patterns that allign with what I know of that persons past or what I know of the way they portray themsleves! Yes, I know it sounds scary, but... its just scary!
"People will be AT MY THROAT insisting, 'there's NO evidence, it's NOT scientific, there's *NO* data, how could you promote this?!' It's because I don't *care.* I use it, and it *works.* It's made me a lot of *money;* it's put a ton of *dope-ass contacts* in my *phone.* That's 'truth' enough for me." This is the energy with which I need to live my life.
7:31 doesn't matter how many other people have done it, everyone that actually puta thought into it adds to our collective understanding of it. even the worst videos on the topic at least help you identify what it ISN'T for your own needs. am excited to see how you approach this stuff as the person that originally intro'd it to me with your barry video 💯 pony-ing up the patreon dough for this now that i've got another well-paying gig, been a long time coming though for sure 😤
I am absolutely excited for this series! A small request, LocalScriptMan, would it be possible to put the Enneagrams in a single playlist on your channel? It would make it a lot easier to share this series with others! :) Cheers!
I've been waiting for more enneagram shit on your channel. It's been such a useful tool for character development--and right on time for my bday thank youuuu
Holy shit(I’m sorry if this sounds like AI im just essay posting quick and going back to drawing) (TLDR, this is helping me to enhance my art skills and learn new ones) As a 9 watching the vid that came a minute after (or before) this I feel like you literally pointed me to that ladder and I’m out with who I need to become. There’s something here. When you talked about not having people skills and so on, I noticed an interesting connection: observing while honestly trying to understand things can deepen you own knowledge of these things and thus be able to use them to your advantage for acquiring new skills. Trying to get better at art, and about to become a tattoo artist, I’m always looking at physical objects and breaking them down in terms of light and shadow. I’m slowly getting better at it through consistent practice like lifting weights but between my eyes, hand and my thoughts and I guess my “will”. Things I have always been relatively good at before like playing music, riding a bike, climbing trees, swimming (could be literally anything I’m mildly confident in doing) and so on, each have a sliver of that which can be learned. This whatever it’s called that can be learned, can be transposed onto learning new skills faster or enhancing already learned skills. Playing music I was taught in a regimented way as a kid, taught me how to feel the music when I had the freedom to play the songs I’d rather play instead of the required boring classical pieces I needed to do to learn the technical aspects of the instrument. This freedom to have fun and be creative with my instrument helped me to continue practicing regardless of how boring some of the assignments were. I would always come back when I was bored to have fun with it. When I began drawing I had that same sense of fun being creative and not really needing to share it with anyone. Which is much more nerve racking now because now I’m willingly putting my 9 ass out there to share my art and still continue to get better at it. Noticing patterns between light and dark, dark within light, light within dark, the shapes they make dancing together as far as your eyes can see, helped me realize that there are ways you can continue to be better, especially through learning about yourself and how you can apply that to creating art that honestly represents your inner voice. Works of art that are honest hit much harder and are more impactful than those who pretend to be something they think others would care more about
We about to understand people better than they understand themselves with this one🗣️🗣️🔥🔥💯💯💯 (NGL, when this series comes out fully I might try using mystical and arcane knowledge it offeres to improve my rizz)
"People want to learn more but they don't want to learn deeper." It's sometimes shocking how hard some of your deep truths hit but are seemingly dropped in as a throwaway line.
Oof.
I think people also just flat out don't know the difference.
"learning is learning"
Once you try understand any topic more deeply, first meta realization that you have is that NOTHING is just one thing.
Once you try to understand a second topic more deeply, you realize that EVERYTHING IS LIKE THIS.
@@chriss3404Yup. Probably also helped by the fact that most people think intelligence is fixed, and knowledge that is learned deeply (EVERYTHING IS LIKE THIS) is more generalisable, thus increasing intelligence which contradicts the first belief.
I swear this is the only writing channel which is actually funny and engaging and not just a writing-guru who thinks not liking kids films makes them edgy.
bars
To this day I'm critisizing kids films like any other films 😂
Yeah or another film student analyzing Star Wars
This is so specific you have to be mad at one specific channel XD
You can’t tell me Pixar isn’t lit
Couldn't care less about enneagram on other people. Never did. However, when I saw your video "Characters are not people", something in my head clicked and I went back to the enneagram to write one of my characters. BOOM. Fleshed the fuck outta him.
It's super useful, especially with all the "research" people have done and the ways people can have "positive" and "negative" character arcs and who connects with who in different relationships. The characters quite literally write themselves. The best part is that if something doesn't match your vision or vibe for that character, you can just leave it out or go against it. No one knows you are using a specific enneagram unless you say so. It's one of the best tools I've found in years.
The thing with this approach:
Could you not use it with any personality model, no matter its veracity or structure?
Because it just sounds like a writing aid of sorts. A complex rule of thumb.
Theoretically, could you not do the same writing process by going in-depth on star signs?
@@solanumlycopersicum5594 Fair point. I think the only reason I like the enneagram is because I'm not a big fan of star signs lol.
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:D That's great^^
Hey, if it works, it works!
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In the same vein of "pathology types", something that helped me with my own problems for a while was identifying the biggest problems along the lines of the cardinal sins.
Sloth and Gluttony being the primal ones at the time, and still are, which makes the 9 video hit me like a brick...
I will forever think of the enneagram as the '9 types of bullshit' now. I've never heard an explanation so hilarious AND incredibly helpful.
Really liking this enneagram stuff it’s super interesting. MBTI never really did it for me cause it was too nice. I like how enneagram roasts the shit out of you instead
it's funny because (and mind I'm not a very big fan of the MBTI either) the MBTI also has the problem of people turning a very contextual tool into a limiting persona. Like how enneagram goes from "I have a type 2 problem" to "I am a type 2♥" the MBTI was conceptualized as possible kneejerk reactions to approaching new information, not turning people into sitcom characters. ie: do you need to define your own relationship to the information, or do you need to understand other people's relation to it? if 1: you're an I, and if 2: you're an E. Do you draw conclusions early or late? if 1:J. if 2:P.
(I'm not sure I'm characterizing these correctly, but I think you get the jist)
@@WoodenBenchyou definitely can see this when you go into the subreddits for each mbti. any thinking type or “intellectual” type is flooded with self-absorbed psuedo-intelligent assholes who think their type is an excuse for their lack of emotional maturity…it gets really annoying cuz MBTI gets treated like zodiacs nowadays
MBTI really is more about how you think and how you approach information rather than immediate adressing of problems
@@WoodenBench I think you have a major misconception about mbti. That I or E, T or F you get the point is a modern dichotomic adaption off mbti by the myers-briggs duo who wanted to simplify it and some guy after them who consumerized it, which actually originated from Carl Jung's theory of Cognitive Functions. Yeah, not personality or whatever, just cognition, simply how you think.
According to Jung, there are 8 identified functions that encompasses the human cognitive psych that everyone has (but in different orders): Thinking, Feeling, Intuition, and Sensation off which there are Internal and External Versions. The 16 types themselves are also simply approximate categorizations, not a defined limitation.
Just like the enneagram, it is not suppose to be scientific but helpful in understanding the thinking processes of other people and yourself, not their persona, allowing us to communicate our own thoughts easier and have sympathy for people who think differently. No hate (I'm serious), but you should have come across the deeper mbti stuff if you ya know, dig a little deeper like Sean (is that his name) did bc when reading into it a bit more, I found the actual theory in the official subreddit, and its the dominant theory soo
I don't like the mbti for characters or for real people. I've taken it myself for fun in the past, and I tend to score around 50% in certain aspects, so that the trait it assigns to me can shift depending on my mood that day. I read the descriptions of the different personality types and thought to myself "this sounds just generic enough that half of those could apply to me"
Extremely confusing moment for me, who turned on notifications for this channel, to get a notification for a new upload within 5 seconds
You too, huh?
You’ve summoned him
I’m 22, have never ever heard of enneagram’s in my life, glad this is my first exposure to it rather than the buzzfeed novelty you describe first seeing it as.
I’ve read someone say the word, looked up the Wikipedia article and read it 3 days ago 😭 what the fuck
@@crix_h3eadshotgg992 It was the opposite for me really. I was searching articles relating to the base 10 counting system, and found the enneagram. It was quite convenient, because all my deities are numbers.
@@crix_h3eadshotgg992 Had the opposite reaction to be honest. I was reading articles on the base 10 number system, and found the enneagram. It was convenient, and just the type of stuff I was looking for. All my deities are *literally* numbers, and I was searching the internet to find someone who personified the numbers into different categories.
Of course, I don't think it applies well to real humans. However, I find it good as a building block in a character.
Same, never heard of it before but it doesn't really surprise me that it got immediately turned into horrorscopes lmao
@mangoferanous scientologists invented this.
One conflict I have with this process is that “we are describing people’s problems, not people themselves” as earlier said in the video, yet we refer to people as their numbers instead of “one who has problems in the (insert number) category”.
One explanation I can think of is that “well characters aren’t people so we can just call them a (insert number)” but Local gave the example of labeling someone as “a 5” instead of someone who said “a problem under the 5th category”.
Just makes me confused on if we are classifying people by their numbers or not. Otherwise I enjoy the thought exercise this creates.
Yeah I didn’t commit to the language change because it’s annoying, it was more important to me that I introduce the alternative idea. When I say 9, I mean person with 9 problems
@@localscriptman sounds good. I’ll make sure to watch the videos through that lens then
I don't think nitpicking can go farther than that. Please don't act dumber than you are
@@mattb.7079 Not to nitpick, but I think it can go farther actually.
So, Local's previous posts on the Enneagram sent me down the rabbit hole and forced me to reevaluate all of my character work in my own writing. I feel like he's about to drop a free MasterClass on this stuff and I'm here for it...
Edit - I'm now on my third watch through and dove into Lucas' Patreon because my entire character worksheet (I use a home-build Lucidchart Frankenstein) is going to get a rebuild off this series...
Thanks for the next several weekends of not sleeping bruh... (I kid... sorta)
I watched his other video on the enneagram the other day and am now neck deep in the rabbit hole
I learned Enneagrams in-depth in college, a communications course called Intimate Communication. I had the same initial reaction to it as you did, then found it to be a very useful tool when relating to people. It's not perfect, but it's interesting to look at how people behave in the context of how they learned to survive. Schema therapy seemed always to me to be an extension of this concept, and helped me immensely.
Usually i don't bother with the enneagram because my characters end up bland. But that's a skill issue. You explain it beautifully and I'm going to try this out again asap
How I’ve gone about it is started with a concept for a character and then afterwards use the enneagram system to flesh out the aspects of my character that I hadn’t filled myself. So I go about the dynamic character stuff and then the ennegram is for when I’m stumped and don’t know what to do.
@@koibubbles3302 Same here! It helped to flesh out relationships between characters more than characters themselves!
11:53 “People want to learn more, but they don’t want to learn deeper” is a raw af line
Bro got sick of waiting for Josh Keefe 💀
SAME
Calling your shots like Babe Ruth is so dangerous, Josh Keefe did it with *the anneagram* & Will Schroeder did it with *happiness*
Exactly what I was thinking 💀
I actually never thought of the enneagram as a practical tool. I dug into enneagram theory for the sake of knowing it, and while I do use it to examine stories, I don't believe it could be used on people (without even trying lmao). My conception of the enneagram is a lie that each person tell themselves, which makes truth the final pursuit. Therefore, I got a little confused when you said that the assignment is not the truth. Your viewpoint is refreshing amongst people who speak about the enneagram though. When people take vibes and aesthetics seriously, it gets lame. Thanks for the video.
I think one of the most powerful uses of the enneagram is giving a character one type of fixation, but having them believe that they have a different one; the whole "what they want versus what they need" thing. People lie to and confuse themselves all the time, and the brain is a notoriously poor judge of its own mechanics.
It opens up possibilities for dynamic and flawed relationship scenarios, practically primed to implode once the right thing short circuits the delusion. This works especially well when contrasted against characters with more consistent worldviews, or ones that exhibit the true fixations that other characters are deluding themselves about.
I always viewed the enneagram as just core ideas, and so in stories when 2 different enneagrams meet and have a conflict, its a debate between those two ideas. So if you have a 7 and a 1 character or even just a 1/7 character and the presents of a 1/7 ideal , it will be basically a debate between, Need and Want. Or 1 and 8 would be a debate on whether the ends justify the means. And although this doesn't work as well in smaller relationships, it is apparent in overarching narratives.
man, being first introduced to the enneagram by local from videos ago made me begin using it. I found it super useful, but I began creating characters from the enneagram numbers itself first and deciding "ok, so this trio I have is a 2, 7, and 1. Now, what type of core belief would these 2, 7, and 1 have that makes them that way" which helped me in some cases, but more often than not felt like I would just create this cycle for myself, where I would look at the core belief days or weeks later and say "what was I thinking, I'm trying to force a character that's a 9 into a 1" and so on. All this to say, I'm still a fat novice at this writing thing (I'm one of those "oc" artists that just wants to understand (my, but all) characters better) so 3 local videos in 2 days feels like Christmas. Absolute favorite channel right now, thank you mr local 🙏
enneagram roasting the shit out of us doesn't upset me, I feel like the Big 5 is the evilest typology of them all 😭
why?
LITERALLY. I showed my boyfriend who happens to be a type three and it frustrated him so much cause it hurt his feelings.
He would be mad I said that.
I love getting roasted. It hurts but thank goodness something or someone can call me out on my blind spots.
The BIG 5 is evil lol. Jk
Big 5 is also the most scientifically accepted. Is it really a typology tho? I thought it measures people in 5 spectrums, it's probably why it has predictive power cause it actually doesn't take this impossible task of categorizing people.
I’m assuming big 5 are openness, neuroticism etc. Etc. And not the African animals.
Why is that evil?
The Five Factor Personality Index is expressly _not_ a typology. It seeks to measure people's positions on five separate spectral axes, not types, which are categories. It's the difference between saying "that's red" and saying "that light has a wavelength of 700 nanometres". The former views a spectrum and draws lines to separate it into categories (red, yellow, INTJ, Type 4 etc), the latter just seeks to find a person's place on the spectrum, not drawing lines through it. It's the classic type vs trait argument in psychometrics.
your drawings are getting better
Same as Astrology. You can use it to improve. That's why a lot of people resonate and improve with it.
I feel like the use of a majority of labels are watered down to this extent, humans need labels but we rely on them so much that it causes us to blame the labels for being superficial but it’s us. We are superficial, and when we don’t try to take a step back and see things for what they are, these labels (that should be useful) seem to consume us entirely
You hit the nail on the head.
You need to sleep.
We will all sleep in oblivion (I am beginning to hallucinate help me)
@@localscriptmanbetween this and your mini rant last video about tapping into THAT MARKET…I think you miiight be going insane
He doesn't sleep, 'cause sleep is the cousin of death!
But I do have unhealthy levels of hype for this series tho
@@Randomgalthe1stnever learned anything by talking to "sane" pepole ...
The truth arises from diversity ,
He may be going full nutter ,
He may have the truth of how to exist ,
I don't know yet , and nobody will have a final say on this ,
I need to see more , and i need to make up my mind about this ...
It could be a good model it could be shite ...
I did the same thing :D that's awesome to see it reflected and put to use!
I have a deep intuitive knowing of the numbers and sounds like we had a similar journey with the Enneagram,
absolutely love your take on it and completely agree that everyone has their own interpretation.
My favorite book and highly recommend is all about the loss of being starting at 9 which coincides through the ego development from infancy
with these two books: "The Psychological Birth of The Human Infant" and "The Spiritual Dimension of the Enneagram" - my absolute favorite.
Wishing everyone the best in using these to create their stories. Start from the unhealth stage, and you can literally plot the growth to their "Holy Idea".
The key to understanding the enneagram is seeing that all of the numbers are _joined together._ It's the forest that nobody can see for all the multi-colord trees that make it up.
This is the same misunderstanding people have about Qabalah, which is supposed to describe reality by dividing it into ten neat little aspects called sephirot.
The thing with this sephirot is that, likewise, they are not really categories but diffeent reflectins of the whole, which is why they exist as a unified tree, not in isolation.
Alos like the enneagram, the Qabalah has a dark counterpart called the Qliphort, which is made up of the Yetzer Harah I.E the dark inclination of God.
Unsurprisingly, then, thee is an eleventh empty position of the Tree of Life call Da'at which has two principle characteristics:
1. It's a spot any sephirot can occupy and it unifies all of them.
2. It's a portal to the Qliphort I.E the reverse side of the tree.
All of these systems which attempt to describe human behaviour, such as enneagram, astrology, Myer Briggs, are really the same as Qabalah. Or, more specifically, the archetype of wholeness in the human psyche whcih produced all of them and is the principle object of faith in the perenial philsophy and every world religion.
I've also started learning "esoteric" knowledge systems, first as just like a vibe, but the more I take them seriously I'm shocked at how human and sensical they are. Yeah they fall apart when you approach them with crunchy rationality, but our culture has tricked me and a lot of us into thinking that pure reason is the only lens that matters, and my life is better for having alternative viewpoints, even if some of them look silly on the surface.
Why do jews spell it Kabbalah and you spell it QaBaLaH?
We are so back
Everyone is different.
No two people are not on fire at once.
No two people are on fire at once? Spoken like someone who's never used a flamethrower.
Sounds like the opening of a great Sci-Fi novel.
Ever since your first enneagram video I've been fixated on it, only cooling down in interest in the past month. I keep thinking about people's and characters' types and have my own little opinions of which versions of the enneagram are better in what ways.
I was super hyped for this video!
“It’s so negative!” Yeah, and you know what else is about the negative? Plot and storytelling. No negatives, no problem, no story.
Never even heard of this thing. Please continue. I'd like to see more of this topic specifically because I find it so interesting, even thought I would describe myself as a relatively charasmatic and extroverted person without as much trouble talking to people as you say you do. However I also love your other writing content. Tldr please never stop youre one of my favorite youtubers
cant wait to see this series in full!
I feel like I've gotten twice as competent at storytelling since I started watching your content. A lot of the stuff you talk about puts a lot of pieces that I already had within me into place, seeing them in their context in which they are useful. The way you present your information is very friendly to my AuDHD brain as well. Unlike other writing channels, I actually feel like I'm being TAUGHT here, instead of "doing research." Thanks dude. You're the GOAT.
That enneagram jar must be bursting by now…
I've done a lot of reading and thinking about the enneagram after your first video about it. I only gave the whole thing a second look because you made it sound so pragmatically useful. So thanks, i needed that :}
What's crazy to me is watching quality TV shows and spotting the types across each story.
Like... the writers of most of these shows don't have the enneagram, yet they write their characters really really well. It's incredible to look at.
It’s so refreshing to find someone who ACTUALLY understands the enneagram and doesn’t just show the stereotypes
Happy to see three new LocalScriptMan videos appear in the last two days!
Your previous video on the Enneagram (and your character sheets) have been extremely helpful in a video game project I have been working on, an NES-era-inspired RPG that turns out to have way more going on than it at first lets on. I'll spare you all the irrelevant details, but part of the plan was to have ten playable characters, the first being a sort of "blank slate" character primarily defined by player actions, while the other nine had more firmly established personalities that might go in different directions depending on exactly how one plays the game. I was struggling a bit with how to make such a diverse array of characters feel distinct when I happened to blunder across your Enneagram video, and, well, the rest flowed intuitively. I was able to fit each of the nine types into each of those nine characters without TOO much feeling arbitrary, but I shall look forward to this series, in hopes I might continue to fill in what blanks still remain.
Still have a degree of skepticism about applying the thing to actual real humans, though I'd be willing to assign it more credibility than most of the other attempts to categorize human personalities, but I must admit the 4 personality type rung pretty true to me, even if I would always have imagined myself more along the lines of a 1 in principle. *Shrug* Anyway, yeah, the thing does have a lot of value for crafting fictional characters for sure.
I was procrastinating to watch the video because of my scepticism on this "astrology for smart people" type of bs. But I'm so glad I did.
Your channel is super helpful, love you
"If I kick _this_ spot on the vending machine, I'll get free chips. I don't know why; the point is it works."
While not the best mentality everywhere, I can definitely vibe with this.
I have never sued a system like this for developing my stories or characters.
Not because I don't think it works or is valid, but because I effectivly do what Local does in reverse: I don't use my models to understand people, I understand people in order to build my models.
(Generally. In practices everyone does this and the two feed into each other.)
So when I write, a character will emerge (by what processes god only knows) I'll write about them, and then I'll realize _retroactively_ that I wrote an EITP, or whatever. The only exception to this I can remember is when I wrote a character I had pegged as INFP after the fact and wanted to write his polar opposite, So naturally, I started with the idea that they would be ESTJ.
I never fully realized this character due toe xternal circumstances, but I'm confident it would have been useful in a manner similar to what Local describes here.
Enneagram really helped me. I swear it uncovered an aspect of myself I hadn’t even thought about. I’ve always been interested in learning and academia, and it’s pretty obvious to myself and everyone around me. But the enneagram helped me realize that part of that urge to know everything came from my perfectionist tendencies. I would spend so much time researching so that I didn’t have to be awkward and bad at things. I watch videos about how to write instead of actually just writing. After I found my enneagram, those things became apparent to me. I stopped researching and plotting and started to do things.
If you were playing “guess the enneagram” at home, I am a 5. Or that’s what I call myself anyway. I’ve only done a bit of light research, so I’m not really qualified to say what type I am with any certainty, but…
That was a 5 joke. You can laugh now
...And the burst of LocalScriptMan content has begun!
Super big enneagram fan here! I got into enneagram a while back to improve my characters and writing, but now I use it for both my writing and personal life. Excited for the series!
On the subject of subtypes and wings, while I do understand that they further complicate this already complicated system, I feel like they’re useful for understanding how certain traits may show up.
For some people it’s easy to do figure out a type, but for others it can be difficult. But I think it’s also important to not depend on descriptions of other people. It’s easy enough once you understand each type and what the three instincts mean. I think from there you can simply figure out how that manifest without depending too heavily on a stereotype. I’d like to add that I feel more strongly about subtypes rather than wings-which is a whole other thing.
I do agree with you though, when it comes to teaching about enneagram or anything like this, you want to not overload anyone with information, but invite them to learn more on their own.
I'm ready to go hard in the yard. I'm ready to go ham salad! I really like your enneagram videos. In this one particularly, I really like how you described the types as fixations, because it hits it home that it is a core flaw or wound and the traits around it trying to manage or work around. This is everything you need to give a character a center and a trajectory for their arc. Ultimately that's what we've exploring a the most with your channel. Great work! I'm so excited to see your examinations on the numbers.
Hayley ^_^
dude ive been waiting for full enneagram mode. and i'll continue to wait patiently for #5. i know, i know, i shouldnt be excited, but i am.
do us some justice, i feel like 5s have alot of story potential- rdj as sherlock holmes (first movie only plz?) stands out as a great one. the burdens of all the types can be interesting and serve many functions, but i find that the curse of knowledge is a higher curse than vibes or body.
finally, 'fear type' is a bit of a miss. not bc of truth or whatever, but bc knowledge is the curse, not fear. everyone has fear and constantly copes with the fear of death- the good vibes or heart bros are just ways of coping with it as well. knowledge is the escape from which there is no escape. the elevation that truly becomes submergence- a black hole from which you cant escape. there is no going back once the veil is lifted. but there is always going back for the vibe types or comfort types, they can just call it a bad day. or at least that's kinda been my experience. the other types are allowed/able to step outside themselves more often and with more acceptance and resources than 'the investigator' type, imo.
anyways i love your channel and content and ive been subscribed for a long ass time now. i plan to look into your consulting by early next year. cheers
Im equally annoyed and thrilled that you mastered this kind of thing so early in life
Thanks for this man. I naturally like to identify with like any categorizing system and you've helped me remind myself "HEY. This is not YOU. It's your PROBLEMS. You don't want to IDENTIFY with it, you want to OVERCOME it." So yeah thanks :)
Your first Enneagram video was really helpful for writing, so I'm excited that you're expanding on it.
This video came at the perfect time! I had recently gotten into the enneagram through your videos, but after checking out other enneagram creators as well, I feel like I started getting overwhelmed and lost in the sauce. Your distinction that the enneagram diagnoses problems is extremely helpful for me. Looking forward to the series
This series is GOLD - ty - My type 3 a$$ has been so humbled by the enneagram 😭
Yessir 🔥 I didnt know what the enneagram even was until i found this channel and it seems just natural to use it in character writing, but obvs i cant find shit online that's actually useful about the types bc the way they talk about the core fears is so vague and they tend to focus on the personality traits that (allegedly) come with each type instead of the useful meat of the theory that im actually interested in--it's been downright impossible to type myself or anybody besides like Max Verstappen. Thanks for bringing up how it's a tool to identify and solve a problem instead of just a label for the sake of quirkiness, i feel like that's kind of something that people lost in the discussion of mental illness labels at some point too, so now people's uncles wont listen to you if you say the word "depression" because they think it's something wishy washy instead of a problem with identified symptoms and solutions
5 LocalScriptMan videos in the span of 2 days? god is good.
The Tree of Life is also broken up into "clusters": Malkuth is radically different from the lower, middle, and upper portions of the tree just as they are from each other because it represents the physical world of the senses. As you go up the tree, it gets more abstract untill the top three spheres can't even be assimilated into consciousness. They are superconscious. Below that are the conscious spheres and below that, just above Malkuth, are the unconscious spheres.
In spite of all this, all of the sephirot are united.
Didn't know there was an entire system dedicated to classifying the types of social people
Be careful dawg, if the animation gets any better, I'm gone.
Thank you for existing, Lucas.
Your laid-back energy is always so enjoyable to watch, but you're so articulate and thoughtful in your writing of these videos that it really holds my attention, which is not an easy task. Your channel has significantly helped me build a stronger and far more thorough approach to my writing, and has pulled me out of writer's block numerous times. Thank you! 😁
VERY hyped for this series. I feel like I get red pilled when you explain it
see, this kind of stuff is why I have subscribe.
your priorities in creating stuff, and how to use tools both for the craft, and personnal growth, just speak to me so much more than many tips and tricks that i've learned. because there no romantisation, no "vibe" or "throwing darts and see what works". so I get into the core of the subject without having to decode the metaphor and the fluf.
I always felt this way about all the pseudosciences. . Not into horoscopes, but using the archetypes to identify problems in the various social structures people create for themselves is a fun thought experiment if you wield enough knowledge about the system itself
I think it's hilarious that we had almost the exact same experience with Enneagrams by the sound of it, but i tossed the idea before I realized there was value. "Woah, this seems useful in a way those dumb personality tests aren't!!!" -> "Wait why can I only find buzzfeed quizzes" -> "this is stupid" -> "I guess i kinda like the framing of thinking about core motivating flaws" -> "screw this, I'm not going to pan for gold in this mountain of insufferable crap content" ... years go by... this video happens... "wait yeah, that does sound useful!"
I'm gonna level with you, your videos about the enneagram have encouraged me to write again, and it's absolutely changed my life and the way I write. Thank you!!
as an enneagram 1 who was deep in hating himself while finding about the enneagram, it being "negative" is why i stuck to it like an obsessed leech hahaha, love this video!!! liked subbed and all
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I’m so glad you’re making this series every other TH-camr. I watched tend to take more subjective approach rather than objective. I really like how clear and cut to the points you are. Thank you for making this looking forward to the whole series.
I love that this video just wants to say things how they are, to the best of Mr. Scriptman's ability
Like, "This isn't some perfect exact science, this is just where we've learned to kick the vending machine, take it or leave it."
Some sources would be nice though, to help people research for themselves
Hey I wanted to say that your channel is my favorite writing channel I’ve ever come across. I have learned so much and my stories are forever changed because of it. Thank you for your videos
You agonized over making this argument so hard that it worked
I have now decided to make this my personal religion
No I will not wait to hear what you have to say about it, this is my life now
Enneagram - "Everybody has bullshit" resumes the concept of this confusing thing i never seen before until now on my head
I can't explain how helpful this has been. I've been trying to peg a character as a number this whole time. Their backstory might make their core issue another number, but characters aren't numbers, they're dealing with a specific numbered problems at specific times.
Realizing that's confusing. Uh, maybe just know you're video was immensely helpful. Thank you.
On the off-hand you did understand that, I'd love to see your take on the topic. I feel like I've seen this in long running series or a novel, but don't know if I've seen that covered in film. Don't even know if it's a good idea.
i luv ur vids :D my writing has been so much more organized with ur advice. excited for this! i love the enneagram! its helped me understand myself and others a little better
I would love to see an mbti/cognitive functions version of this video, this is really clear and eyeopening
ive always thought about the enneagram a lot when interacting with others, though its mostly regarding my own actions. its like easy level psychology to me. all about motives and fixations. Thank you for defending the Enneagram thinker state
Love how the 9 types of person actually turns out to be 3 types of people.
Uh oh, you sound my like uncle
I was on board when you were highlighting this as a character writing tool, not a real people decoder. You said it yourself, people are affected by their environments at a young age. Perhaps also consider people are constantly affected by their environments, all the time. Promise there are more numbers than 9, okay? I mean, mbti’s got 16, but also 4, depending who you ask. But also 128. 12 signs… you get the idea. It’s arbitrary where you draw the line on what a distinct behaviour/motive is.
Trying to “hack” people, instead of the ye-olde-fashionede-getting-to-know-them isn’t going to give any long term benefits. Unless you don’t care about that, in which case, proceed. I’m sure your acquaintances and business partners adore you
Glad you’re back to do, stuff. Let’s go YARD!
this actually changed my perspective fully. Very cool video, thank you.
So stoked on this. I feel so seen or whatever. Shit is just so relatable. I can’t help but to look for enneagram traits in every single person I meet and it’s helped me understand people so much. Without it I’d have no idea where I’d be.
I love you and appreciate you and find you funny and smart. Please get some rest
First off, what books did you use?
That explains a lot. I'm big into personality systems such as Astrology, Tarot, and the 16 types, but never wrapped my head around this one. Not actually being a personality test explains the issue, and why it wasn't making sense.
Excited for this series, and I rang the bell. Though I'm unsure when I subscribed. (If you're a friend, I'm so sorry I forgot. Going through stuff mentally rn)
Glad I gave this video a shot. I hate these kinds of categorizations and it was honestly kind of frustrating whenever you'd bring up the enneagram in your earlier videos. I don't know if I'm totally on board with it being useful yet, but this perspective made me willing to give it another shot. It definitely makes a difference if it's describing a problem or drive people have in common rather than dividing people into categories.
This video is effing perfect! I love enneagram as a writing tool but I always knew there was something missing with the way a lot of people go about it. Everything you’ve said in this video is infused into my brain and it feels great to hear someone else speak it outloud
What I always say to the people that are understandably skeptical of it is “I know it seems like a box we’re putting people into, but Thanos and Hermione Granger are the same type enneagram and they’re completely different.” And that always gets a chuckle out of someone. It’s just about the why to the motive not the action that resulted of the motive
I used the enneagram as stated in the True Detective video and it worked so well in how to mold characters into conflicting dynamics that they should hold to make them, and the story, more intriguing. Thank you.
As far as self development goes, naranjo's ennagram is probably the most useful. He was a psychologist and wrote about the common childhood reasons for why people developed their issues.
Homie I hope you write a book on this topic because this has been such a good tool to my writing tool box
You sir, are a king. My mom introduced me to the enneagramm years ago, because she's far into mystical Christianity and stuff like that on an intellectual level. I've been using it since then to understand the world and the people in it. I even went to some seminars regarding it, because I "suffer from type 5" and deep understanding of shit gives me the giggles. Also I have a deep fixation on type 4s, because they always do incredible stuff, I can sort of get but that seem so strange to me at the same time. I love it. When you talked about, how the clusters are actually pretty far apart, and that 4s and 5s have a rather distant relationship, that made me feel.
Also if you're traveling the stress/integration lines they are the furthest apart from each other of all the numbers that are next to each other on the circle.
Also the mathematical and geometric shapes inside the Enneagramm are great. The 3-6-9 triangle is an interesting dynamic I think.
Now I'm even more of a fan as I was before this video/series ^.^
Thank you for opening my eyes to the enneagram Local senpai. The enneagram made me realize that, on a fundamental level, we as humans operate on our own selfish needs, those specific needs being dictated by our unique upbringing. This is such a helpful tool when it comes to writing, I don't know where I would be without it😌
babe, wake up. LocalScriptMan posted
Maybe i should get more into the Enneagram system. The personality system i've been really obsessed with is the Class/Aspect system from Homestuck, which apparently like the Enneagram, is something you start to see everywhere once you get into it.
In theory, the Aspects (Time, Space, Breath, Blood, Life, Doom, Hope, Rage, Heart, Mind, Light, Void) are basically the components that make up all of subjective reality. Seeing them in myself has genuinely helped me understand myself and my desires as a person, and made me feel like I understand my subjective existence better.
I think the concept of not saying "i am a type 2" and instead saying "i have a type 2 fixation" is actually very helpful, and something that could be applied to the classpect system as well. The system was originally created to be applied to characters in a story, not to real people, and generally describes the concepts that rule over a character's life, the language through which they understand existence.
For example, I describe myself as a "Sylph of Heart", more or less meaning "Healer/Fixer of Soul/Emotion". More or less my default way of seeing things is in terms of emotion and identity, i'm endlessly self-reflective to an almost obsessive degree. The answer to self-actualization, to me, is a romantic, all-encompassing self-love, because it means my greatest ally is with me 100% of the time. I tend to be drawn to the friend-therapist role, because i have a desire to be a fixer for people, to help them appreciate themselves the way i do.
It would be hard, but not impossible, for me to understand the world from the perspective of, say, a Mage of Mind (Understander of Logic/Choice) or a Prince of Hope (Destroyer of Faith/Desire).
Anyway. All that is to say. I already have the right type of brain for this stuff, I think. The Enneagram seems useful in a similar but different way.
the adverbial vs adjectival distinction is not only important for enneagram but also for how we look at the world/each other/ourselves in general.
good stuff, Maynard.
Let’s gooooo! Love learning more about enneagram stuff. Was pumped about JoshKeefe’s series but … I dunno where that guy went…not sure how long it’ll take to get to 7 at this rate. Although the Tony stark thing was kind of throwing us a bone… anyway, looking forward to your series bro!
I’m interested in this stuff as a fictional tool, and I’m stoked it’s helped you understand yourself and others. Buuuuuuutttt…
I’m worried you are falling into the Joseph Campbell trap of ‘this cool way I analyze stories must be applied to everything!’ And we saw how bunk that is with Campbell.
As long as you aren’t charging a bunch of money for enneagram seminars I think we’re cool.
Kind of unrelated to the video, but that learning social que's shit is so real and I find it kinda fascinating just how many other ways untalented social people have found ways to be social. Me personally, I've changed my approach over time as I learned more and more I have a nick for understanding patterns and went from not ever reading rooms and being a little asshole prick, to mbti, to reading body language to now being a smiling asshole that tests waters in real time and determines recent patters, natural patterns and possible causes for those patterns that allign with what I know of that persons past or what I know of the way they portray themsleves! Yes, I know it sounds scary, but... its just scary!
"People will be AT MY THROAT insisting, 'there's NO evidence, it's NOT scientific, there's *NO* data, how could you promote this?!'
It's because I don't *care.*
I use it, and it *works.* It's made me a lot of *money;* it's put a ton of *dope-ass contacts* in my *phone.* That's 'truth' enough for me."
This is the energy with which I need to live my life.
7:31 doesn't matter how many other people have done it, everyone that actually puta thought into it adds to our collective understanding of it. even the worst videos on the topic at least help you identify what it ISN'T for your own needs. am excited to see how you approach this stuff as the person that originally intro'd it to me with your barry video 💯
pony-ing up the patreon dough for this now that i've got another well-paying gig, been a long time coming though for sure 😤
POV when you're invited to the cookout and you're the only thing on the menu
I can't believe I found a banger writing advice channel that both knows the existence of AND actually understands the Enneagram system 🙏🙏🙏
I am absolutely excited for this series! A small request, LocalScriptMan, would it be possible to put the Enneagrams in a single playlist on your channel? It would make it a lot easier to share this series with others! :) Cheers!
Wow, "People want to learn more, but they don't want to learn deeper."
Good stuff
I've been waiting for more enneagram shit on your channel. It's been such a useful tool for character development--and right on time for my bday thank youuuu
Holy shit(I’m sorry if this sounds like AI im just essay posting quick and going back to drawing) (TLDR, this is helping me to enhance my art skills and learn new ones)
As a 9 watching the vid that came a minute after (or before) this I feel like you literally pointed me to that ladder and I’m out with who I need to become. There’s something here. When you talked about not having people skills and so on, I noticed an interesting connection: observing while honestly trying to understand things can deepen you own knowledge of these things and thus be able to use them to your advantage for acquiring new skills.
Trying to get better at art, and about to become a tattoo artist, I’m always looking at physical objects and breaking them down in terms of light and shadow. I’m slowly getting better at it through consistent practice like lifting weights but between my eyes, hand and my thoughts and I guess my “will”. Things I have always been relatively good at before like playing music, riding a bike, climbing trees, swimming (could be literally anything I’m mildly confident in doing) and so on, each have a sliver of that which can be learned. This whatever it’s called that can be learned, can be transposed onto learning new skills faster or enhancing already learned skills.
Playing music I was taught in a regimented way as a kid, taught me how to feel the music when I had the freedom to play the songs I’d rather play instead of the required boring classical pieces I needed to do to learn the technical aspects of the instrument. This freedom to have fun and be creative with my instrument helped me to continue practicing regardless of how boring some of the assignments were. I would always come back when I was bored to have fun with it. When I began drawing I had that same sense of fun being creative and not really needing to share it with anyone. Which is much more nerve racking now because now I’m willingly putting my 9 ass out there to share my art and still continue to get better at it.
Noticing patterns between light and dark, dark within light, light within dark, the shapes they make dancing together as far as your eyes can see, helped me realize that there are ways you can continue to be better, especially through learning about yourself and how you can apply that to creating art that honestly represents your inner voice. Works of art that are honest hit much harder and are more impactful than those who pretend to be something they think others would care more about
An old saying in psychology: "models are almost never accurate, but are almost always useful."
We about to understand people better than they understand themselves with this one🗣️🗣️🔥🔥💯💯💯
(NGL, when this series comes out fully I might try using mystical and arcane knowledge it offeres to improve my rizz)