Learned this when I was 17…… used the modified adjustment at 2lbs until I was able to afford a Jewel trigger. Best trigger on the market at that time and I believe Still Is👍
Anyone who has ever had a " Remington Moment " should watch and learn from this video! My dad has an older 700 bdl and it has had a round go off taking it off safety. I might add, when we bought this gun the barrel was bedded and obviously someone who has messed with setting it up for accuracy. after watching this video I took the gun apart ( it had no play at all in the trigger ) and after making some adjustments I feel confident now in the safety of this rifle.
My personal preference is .308 Win. There is little you can't do with it. 220g bullets are fine for elk. 110g Hornaday TAP for coyote. 145-165 for humans. 165-175g for target if you have a 1-10 twist (most are 1-12). I don't see the point in going to a long action for .30-06. Adds weight with no real benefit. It also allows me to have the same ammo for my military style rifles. So if you already have a bunch of rifles in .30-06, go with that, but if not, I'd standardize with .308.
Wow, it has taken over a decade for me to discover this video. Thank you. I have used the Rem 700 for years and always thought it a great platform but never understood the trigger hate. It has and will be my go to bolt gun. After all this time and all the bad press I never had any issues with my 700s. At the end of the day the 700 trigger was never at fault. Just the idiots that unknowingly messed it up. I have never tampered with any of my triggers. I never felt qualified to do so. I have always adjusted my shooting habits to compensate for the triggers in each gun I use. My rifles have never failed me. I may have failed myself but my rifles have not. Great video sir. I just wish the rest of the world would watch it.
Thanks a lot for this vid explaining very well the mechanics of the trigger and safety system of this rifle. Couldn't agree more that if you are stupid then accidents happen, weather that be through wrongly adjusting the trigger system or waving around a loaded rifle at people!
My friend has a old 700 the ones you had to put on fire to open the bolt some times you can put it from fire to safe and it will shoot and you could pull back hard on the bolt when it was on fire and shoot it . I put a timney trigger on for him and it is now safe I have 3 rem 700s and never had a problem out of them they are my goto hunting rifles ....
Same here My Rem 700 Varmint Special bought NIB in 72' Have Shot it thousands of times with out any self firing like they are describing etc.But I just may get a Timney Replacement Trigger for it, So my Son, Will never have to worry about it ever happening years from now, When I am gone etc.
Great job explaining how this trigger works! I have a 1994 Sendero with the factory trigger. I got this rifle used. I had it discharge on me twice moving the safety to the fire position. Previous owner had it happen once, while unloading the gun in a vertical position. I recently replaced the trigger with a used Timney 510. Same problem, although this time with no live rounds. I was able to see the slop in the trigger. The factory trigger still has the red glue, so it came from the factory mis-adjusted. Thanks to this video, I should be able to at least make the Timney trigger safe. Again, great work. really appreciate finding this!
What MAY not have been said here is there have been firearm related forums where it's been reported that Remington has used too much grease in the trigger assemblies, both Walker and predecessor which caused issues, sometimes in as-received condition. While perhaps it cannot be said if the triggers were misadjusted by the factory and if the misadjustment was due to said grease, fact of the matter is when you have an "economy" model rifle mass produced on an assembly line, I'm thinking it may be debatable if the purchaser has a right to expect a fully quality control inspected firearm. This to me implies one should first perform a function check, then tear-down, clean and grease/oil (and another function check) before considering the rifle safe to load for the first time. My new from the factory Mossberg Patriot came with rust in the bolt and I had to send it back to the factory because the rails didn't line up (and it was returned with the same problem). Another issue or point is (obviously), rifles may be better suited for bench rest shooting with a lighter trigger pull than if used for hunting. In my world (air rifles and .22 caliber "recreational ownership" beginnings), in the bargain bracket said lighter trigger is probably obtained by polishing trigger parts and a possible lighter return spring. How this second "observation" applies to the hunting rifle is that it seems the safest way to lighten a trigger on, say, the Remington 700, seems to be a three step situation. First, it should be clean and properly lubricated (I like an oil that will evaporate with some graphite mixed in for the trigger and sear to pivot on), Second it could be CAREFULLY polished where it would eventually wear in, and then last it could be adjusted and tested with a pull gage and if the mechanism is FULLY understood, possibly modified by way of one or more springs. IF MODIFIED IN ANY WAY all parts should be retained and adjustments noted so they can be returned to factory spec should the rifle ever be sold. Your vid goes a long way toward understanding that by design the minimum trigger pull desired by many for bench rest shooting is not going to attainable without a very high risk that dirt or powder residue getting into a trigger housing set up by even a fully knowledgeable owner can easily swamp any margin of safety. Therefore I believe the only way this trigger to be safe in a bench rest configuration is once fired more than a few times or subjected to being "fouled", it should be treated as existing in an unsafe mechanical condition. Routine cleaning should include trigger assembly. I MIGHT polish my trigger assembly of my new-to-me 1975 Remington 700, however, per your recommendation, I no longer think I will attempt a trigger pull lighter than 2.5#, and then only if I can first get it to pass a bump test at 2# before attempting that 2.5#. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE DESIGN PARAMETERS OF THE WALKER TRIGGER ASSEMBLY!!!
Funny how some master gunsmiths are so locked into their own way of thinking that they can't see any other perspectives. After all you are the only master gunsmith in the world. Oh BTW, I like how u fell so quickly into name calling. Showing your true colors I see.
Yeah - my true colors - straight, to the point, and with no bullshit. You should try it sometime. In the real world there is this thing called evidence - not just your say so, not the say-so of some "expert witness". You're damn right I called that paid shill a douchebag. He talks all kinds of shit about the Walker, but when in court under oath, he admits he's never been able to duplicate the defect he alleges it has. I have clearly demonstrated how to duplicate the so-called defect mechanically, and showed how the introduction of foreign debris and/or rust can do the same thing. What have you done? Have you demonstrated a different way to the same result? Or do you just pout when I point out your so-called expert cannot. In fact, nobody ever has, and many have tried. So instead of pouting like a petulant child, show some evidence.
You may not have intended to give instructions on how to do a trigger job, but you did a pretty darn good job of it lol! Just kidding yea man, great job on the video. And yes this is a great reason to leave the trigge work to the professionals!!!
kingrider75 I agree, partly. I've three Rem 700's. Two with Walkers and one SPS with the errant X-Mark. I adjusted my walkers and found , by examination, much of what the video explains. Afterwards, I tried to make them fail but they are rock-solid. Oh! and they work beautifully. That spring is so important to understand! On the X-Mark, I hated the feeling that the trigger was pulling up-hill and tried to adjust that stupid screw but could not get any change. I took it to a gunsmith friend who charged me and he took the thing apart and NEVER touched the screws! He polished the sear and modified the spring; all of this according to his chosen formula. It works really smooth and crisp. Every release is a surprise. I think it's possible that some, if not all, "professionals" out there are still learning their craft.
Thanks for this video. Yours is the first one that I've found that goes past the rhetoric and explains the problem, and it gives me much more confidence in the weapon.
First thing I'd do s pull the horse-shoe shaped clip occ the axle. Then lift the spring steel cover plate. Then withdraw the axle from the left. The bolt stop spring may fall off or stay. Then pull the safety out to the rear. there is ball bearing sitting it it, so keep your hand cupped underneath. Take out the ball bearing and clean everythnig well. Put a drop of copper anti seize compound in the depression on the R side for the ball bearing. Then reassemble.
Awesome video man!!!!! The truth does sting quite a bit to the foolish, your video perfectly replicates the issues that have been blamed on one of the best bolt action rifles of all time. As usual, natural human stupidity is to blame and not the firearm. A firearm is only as dangerous as the fool that is handling it. I've owned the very same Remington Model 700 ADL for 18 years now and do you know how many negligent discharges I have had with it???? NONE, ZERO, ZILCH!!!!! That's because I'm not a dumbass, I DO NOT screw with the factory settings and I DO NOT mishandle it, it's that elementary simple. There is no such thing as an 'accidental' discharge!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't worry much about cnbc. Remember these are the same people that had to admit that they blew up chevy pickups with plenty of C4 only to tell you the fuel tanks were improperly designed. Remington, ruger, winchester, cz...etc triggers are perfectly safe as long as you use some common sense when adjusting.
Great Video. Thank You. I bought a Remington 700 30-06 a coupe of weeks ago. It states that it has the X-Mark Pro Trigger. Is this the trigger you are showing. I've read the X-Mark Pro is a new design because of all the non trigger firings that have killed a few and injured many people. Is that the trigger assembly you are showing? If it is, then that shows the the trigger was setup incorrectly or was dirty and was not caused by the original factory design. Am I right or wrong in thinking this.
thanks for posting this.... I was 99.999% sure that the "news" piece on the safety problem was pretty much a head hunt by "anti's" but I own a 700 and was thinking what if.. This explains quite a bit. But are we sure that all these inccidents were fools trying to get a easier pull? Or maybe some were not adjusted properly from factory? Either way I'm going to check my pull weight soon as I get a chance!
So are the Walker Triggers Safe to use in my Rem 700,? If i did not ever do any Trigger screw's adjustment at all & been using the Rifle since 1972 with no problems like people are discribing self Firing etc. Thanks for sharing this Information
When people watch 2-3 video clips then believe they have the necessary knowledge to modify triggers, accidents happen. The old saying, "a little knowledge can be dangerous" applies. Way too many people playing with springs, strikers and sears without understanding the part's function or limits.
Hey man, I really enjoyed this video. I've seen, extensively, both sides of the debate... I have also seen Remington rigorously defend themselves saying these accidents are caused by improperly maintained or ill- modified weapons. Part of me would say "Duh, this is a corporation" but this video just goes to show that, while some models may have actually failed (which can be said about any product ever) something has to be wrong with the rifle from neglect or mods, and the average person would not have this issue.
My goal was not to teach trigger jobs. Just to demonstrate the lie of the "defective Remington trigger." Perhaps in an upcoming gunsmithing video I will do bolt action rifles. Right now I offer a 5 hour FAL video with 200 page manual, and a 10 hour HK Weapon Systems Armorer video, and a Browning hi-power gunsmithing video. Go to the store of Arizona Response Systems for more info.
even Walker is on record saying the trigger was defective, 12 months after the rifles release he let Remington know in writting that it was, they would not rectify the problem, it was all about making money and its all on record, for anyone to say the Remington trigger was not defective is an insult to those who were hurt or lost their lives because of it IMHO
@@markandmellwhiteley7995 lets see the documents. I've heard this claim before, but it no evidence could be produced. Since it's "on record" please show us the record.
@@arizonaresponse here you go LOL now you can say you have the evidence nobody produced www.cnbc.com/video/2015/12/18/remington-defended-existing-700-model.html www.cnbc.com/2015/12/08/remington-under-fire-the-reckoning.html if the truth is to be known Remington's are a plumbers gun but the first part you throw and replace is the trigger ;)
Its my understanding the economy Model 770 has the same trigger as the older 700s designed by Walker. Is this true? Should I have concerns with a 770? (I also dont adjust any of my triggers, with the exception of the Savage Acutrigger etc) as I am not a gunsmith. I guess you point it dont be messing around with triggers, and clean well. I have a suspicion I wont be shooting myself If I keep following those two basic rules.
Spencer Smith I don't think that was his point at all! I think it is, "Learn how the thing works and, if you're going to adjust it, do it correctly." No?
+Squirrelgrrl1 The video demonstrating how the cold effects the trigger is about the X-Mark Pro Trigger. This video is a demonstration of the 'Walker' trigger. The Walker trigger is on the older Rem 700's. The XMP trigger is on the newer Rem 700's. Don't confuse the two triggers. They are very different triggers with their own issues.
It seems there actually was a problem with the trigger and that Remington was aware of it as early as 1948-it is another "Pinto" example. Here is an interesting link. www.remingtondocuments.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/foolproofsafety.pdf
Guns are far "safer" than they have ever been, and anyone who says otherwise is a complete moron with no understanding whatsoever of the history of firearms design. What's not safe is pointing a rifle at your kid (loaded or not). What's not safe is a culture that shields people from the consequences of their behavior. What's not safe is a society that gives equal merit to uneducated opinion and fact.
+Peter Nincompoop Yep.... all good rules. I always hand someone a gun with the action open and after checking it, even though I KNOW that it was clear when I put it in the safe.... Guns can't think, so we have to do it for them...
Your statement that guns are "safer" is completely subjective. And the argument is ridiculous anyway. Of course any product should be safer than it was 200 years ago. Car's are safer than they were 60 years ago but that doesn't mean manufacturer flaws don't happen.
Dont stoop to his level man, both cars and rifles are of course better designed and OBJECTIVELY safer from accidental discharge[the rifle, not the man/rifle combination] now than they were 200 years ago:/ This is easily shown by testing!
SO I gotta ask what happens with all the discharges that happened with a gun brand new out of the box ones that happen with ones that never been fiddled with and only cleaned from time to time. As there has been cases where the discharge has happened with brand new untouched guns, ones that haven't been fiddled with, and one that came back from licensed gunsmiths. Like following this video. ( th-cam.com/video/Qa0cNr2_fSE/w-d-xo.html ) His 700 has the discharge problem and he bought the gun brand new. And he has never touched the trigger just the occasional cleaning.
+Klink Keng Sorry, this got shunted to "messaage needs approval". I don't know why. First, a licensed gunsmith has paid $300. That is all. There is no skill test. It's just an FFL. The license is to ship guns interstate. So there are plenty of morons who are "licensed gunsmiths". And here''s another little tip - people lie. Do you think somebody who just shot their kid in the head by accident (because they violated every rule of safety), is going to admit it? Or blame the gun? "It just went off!". Yeah, dumbshit, 'cause you had your finger on the trigger and your muzzle covering your kid. Duh! I showed you the mechanism my which the discharge occurs. It is certainly possible that in a million rifles, one escapes Remington quality control. The rifle in the video has the latest synthetic stock and I don't believe it to be the Walker. The XMark ironically has glue occasionally blocking the reset. Glue put there to keep idiots from adjusting it. If you can demonstrate any other method by which a Walker can be discharged, please do. But with millions of dollars at stake, nobody has been able to do so.
+Klink Keng arizonaresponse is absolutely correct. His demo (shown in this video) is how mal-adjustment of the WALKER trigger (found on older Remington 700's) can lead to a negligent discharge. His premise is don't mess with it and you wont' have an issue!! The video clip you identified above made and posted by JimmyDickens1 demonstrates the X-Mark Pro trigger, which replaced the Walker trigger ~2006. His theory at the time he made the video is that there was some component or part in the trigger assembly that is heat and cold sensitive causing the negligent discharge. Turns out, as arizonaresponse pointed out below, it was the bonding agent causing the issue. Remington issued the recall to fix the affected X-Mark Pro triggers. As you watch trigger videos, be mindful of which trigger is being discussed. It isn't always obvious. And there is a distinct difference between the Walker trigger and the X-Mark Pro trigger.
Ya after watching that video again and reading around other places about this gun. The video even if it was a different gun considered the saftest in the world there was no gun safety practices used at all in the video let alone the most common sense one's. That misfire was completely their fault and not the gun.
+Klink Keng Don't mis-interpret what I said above - the Jimmy Dickens video you tagged is a legitimate issue and Jimmy Dickens correctly identified the problem - that was verified by Remington when they issued the recall. The issue spelled out in that video really was the bonding agent and really caused negligent discharges. The point I was making is that arizonaresponses video, featuring the Remington 700 'Walker' trigger, and the Jimmy Dickens video, featuring the Remington 700 X-Mark Pro trigger, are BOTH legitimate videos. The point is that they are discussing TWO very different trigger systems!I'm curious - what bad safety practices did you find in the Jimmy Dickens video? I watched it again and didn't see anything...
yes, it could be used as directions for a trigger job, but there are some things I didn't cover that may be important. So if anyone chooses to use it for directions, let me reiterate keep the pull weight no less than 2.5 pounds or 40 oz. Some respected smiths say the mechanism is safe to 2.0 pounds or 32 oz, but I think 2.5# is a better choice. 2 pounds is too close to the friction only pull weight. And that is for a bench, sniper rifle or varmint rifle. For a hunting rifle, I think 3.5# is the minimum with 4# a better target. If And be sure to secure the adjustment screws with some 5 minute epoxy after you've obtained the desired adjustment. you have a target rifle and a need for a trigger below 2 pounds, then a different design is in order - the Jewel has an additional fulcrum to work safely at these low weights.
arizonaresponse, Thank you for the video. Excellent information. My model 700 was in an unsafe condition and had no clue to what was wrong. I found that the trigger pull adjustment was not even contacting the return spring. Now I just need a scale to adjust it to a good pull weight.
Great video. It shows how someone could cause the 700 to fire as claimed by CNBC. BUT, it also shows how the design can be dangerous if dirt or rust got into the mechanism. I believe Remington knew this and chose not to change it for it would imply they acknowledge its flawed. Making a "fool proof" safety would have been in everyones best interest including Remingtons. Sadly they chose bottom line over safety. They could have avoided costly lawsuits. BTW. Best damn gun ever. Just sadly corporate stupidity rules over common sense in not changing it sooner.
Clearly the better safety design is one that locks the trigger in an "un-pulled" position where it will always be in the position to positively engage the sear when the safety is moved to the fire position or bolt operated. This was a safety design element reported to have been offered by the trigger designer Walker as an improvement and declined by remmington over cost considerations. CLEARLY THE "MANUAL OF ARMS" FOR THIS TRIGGER / SAFETY DESIGN IS, IN A SAFE MANNER, TO MANUALLY INSURE THE TRIGGER IS IN THE "UN-PULLED" POSITION PRIOR TO DISENGAGING THE SAFETY OR OPERATING THE BOLT along with proper maintenance and adjustment and SAFE GUN HANDLING. To me this says the mainstay Walker trigger / safety can still be safely used.
Any product manufactured with adjustable parameters should be designed to operate safely even when adjustments have been exceeded. The public are not all Remington employees or professional gunsmiths. The trigger is defective.
For those who have have been wailing and moaning about a recent recall on a DIFFERENT TRIGGER, I will just delete your post. I cannot help the fact that you are too f-cking stupid to grasp "DIFFERENT TRIGGER". This video is about the Walker type trigger, which was the one in the media hit piece.
Great video. Horrible camera work.😉Like anything, use it as intended, stop fixing it until it's broken and maintain the hell out of it. Defective design or not, the worst thing that could happen as a result of the gun firing when the safety is released is:1. You miss bagging the trophy of a lifetime. Or.... 2. You blow a match. Any harm to you or anyone else is negligence on you!!! The trigger didnt point that gun you did. Simple truth.
That video you where refering to is an absolute piece of trash. They never addressed whether or not the guns had been modified. Never even mentioned that it was possible
Thank you for this video. It makes everything clear now. This is why I do research before making adjustments on any of my guns. I love my R700! I'm really glad to hear it is not Remington's fault, but the negligence of the owner. Thus, Remington maintains its status as an American icon.
Very informal Vid! There are dangerous areas in every equipment and machines that unqualified people need to stay out of. Exceeding trigger adjustments, reloading and other areas dealing with firearms can lead to disaster. I have bought 2 brand new model 700 rifles, SPS varmint in .223 in 2011 and Sendero SFII in .300 RUM in 2012 and am keeping both of them at 5 Lb trigger pull. Both of these rifles have the X-MARK PRO trigger system. Does your video demonstration cover this type of trigger?
Thanks so much for making this. My 700BDL is an old hunting friend, and because of that tv program I have looked at with mistrust. But now I can rest easy. You should have a show telling those other gun bashing jerks, how it is!!!
Very nice indeed. I think you replicated many problems we have seen with the rifle in videos online. Now that I see how it works, I can't see how it would fail unless it was out of adjustment and/or not maintained to a severe level. If this mechanism discharges, it is because of operator/user error.
+Noah Diamond (Rainbow Unicorn) Keep in mind many online videos do not tell you which trigger they are talking about. This demonstration is how the 'Walker' trigger operates. The Walker is found on the older Remington 700's. Some of the other videos address the issues people are having with the X-Mark Pro trigger. The XMP replaced the Walker trigger on the Remington 700's in ~2006. Don't confuse the two triggers.
My Dad has a 1968 Remington 700 BDL 30-06 and it has always worked fine, no trigger problems! Most likely the problems people encounter with wonderful Remington 700 rifles which I believe are even better than those custom $5,000 or more rifles is people neglect them, get them dirty, do not clean them, abuse them, and then lousy old 700 they are nothing but crap! B.S. is what that is! If you maintain any Remington 700 rifle according to the Remington manual it comes with you will never have any problems with your wonderful Remington 700 rifle period, trigger or otherwise!!
I freely admit my ignorance about gun mechanisms and what makes them safe or otherwise. it occurs to me that you would think that the highest priority for any firearm would be absolute safety and its design reflect that. If it comes down to the use of solvents, grease and other lubricants, aren't we in trouble? And how many rifle owners would have the intimate knowledge this man has to fix a problem. And besides' it's not the province of a shooter to be an armourer or smith! Surely, such design faults, that's exposed to the public, simply should never occur in the first place?
+nifty1940 It strikes me that when adjusted as per factory specs, this trigger system will never fail, but if adjusted even a tad too light, it can be dangerous. All gun makers warn against uninformed tinkering, and to have all adjustments made by a competent gun-smith, but of course cannot force people to do this. ANY adjustable trigger can be made unsafe by the uninitiated. I've had people bring me semi-auto AK47s that go full auto at odd moments. It's always because someone has "adjusted" the trigger mechanism incorrectly. Usually I can fix them, but sometimes not without replacing a lot of pricey parts.... ;-)
Thanks for that. It makes sense, as you explain it. I guess it's the anatomy of a firearm to have its peculiarities. It's just that, if a gas pedal had the same specificity, the richest trade in the world would be car repairer's. Why aren't gunsmiths as (hypothetically) as rich:-) ?
@ ArizonaResponseSystems, thank you for the video. A friend shared this video with me. I was looking to adjust my Sportsman 78 as the trigger is way too heavy. Dad had it checked once and it was set at almost 6 pounds. I tried to adjust could not get the sear to budge. Tried a lighter to heat it up, but it was not enough. Is it possible to adjust the trigger without adjusting the sear? I had already backed the over travel and trigger adjustment so putting it back to where it was, was not possible. I contacted a gunsmith and all they suggest is to replace the trigger. I disagree, with their advice and want to learn more. I feel the trigger is good and works as it was designed, within its design. So, how do I get the sear to free up, and do I have to adjust the sear to reduce the pounds required to pull the trigger?
I wonder if the rifle trigger was tampered With when the wife killed her son by accident wanted too blem the rifle company instead even private police and military had problems with their triggers gun going off when taking safety off these company are not happy with the pounds set from the factory so they decided too adjust it not knowing what they doing
As always, nothing is idiot proof. To own a firearm at all in my country (NZ) you have to sit and pass a firearms safety course in which such matters are contained. Even so, as a gun-smith I see guns that have been tampered with by the unknowledgeable and rendered unsafe. After all the fuss about the 700, your video shows the issue to perfection, thank you. All of the 700s that I have ever seen had nice 3-4lb triggers that were totally reliable, and your video shows why... :-)
Real quality looking trigger that one. Smart of them to design a trigger that can be adjusted past safe spec. But at least they saved a few bucks. Lol. All these Rem triggers are so cheaply made. Pressed sheet metal. An armourer suggested never expect more than 500 rpunds out of the older sheet metal ones and the later MIM are even less hard wearing. What is funny is why you would bother to adjust that piece of junk rather than replace it.
So you're telling me I can't adjust my trigger pull to under 2lbs and then blame the gun manufacturer when the gun discharges in one of my friends faces? What has America come to
Thanks for vdo. I've had 3 or 4 mdl 700 and never had any problems with triggers. The therey i have tryed and seemed to work is, leave the damn thing alone if you don't know what you're doing! But hey that's just me.
it doesn't work that way. I have plenty of tripods. I bought a helmet and mounted an accessory rail to it in the hopes of not needing a cameraman. I installed monitors on a swing arm on the ceiling so I can see what the camera sees. While it may work riding a mountain bike, it doesn't work on 10x-20x macro zoom. I need a second person.
Of course. I'd recommend my METACOL III for several reasons. The first is tht it is 10x more durable than Parkerizing. The second is that the AK is a bunch of rivets, machined parts, and stampings, each of a different metal type and hardness. So you will see a lot more color variation in a parkerized finish than in my M3 satin black, using the Manganese Phosphate (park) as a primer.
That's just crazy to have a safety that blocks one part of the firing mechanism inside of the trigger but does not block the trigger itself. It should not be called a safety in this case! If you have a safety where the trigger still moves then it should block the firing pin. It's too risky to have it that way.
Too bad most of the new Remington 700's come with the X-Mark Pro trigger that is only adjustable for pull weight. I managed to get my hands on a brand new 700P back in May 2012. It came with the Walker trigger, but the sear engagement and overtravel screws had their heads cut off and had been soldered in place. That's why I ended up getting a Timney Trigger. The Timney's safety also works differently by blocking the trigger lever instead of the sear so it won't have the like issue in the video.
Hey maby somebody out there could help me with this problem i just bought a used remington 700 bdl and it doesnt have the xmark trigger and the pull weight was way to heavy so i know how to adjust them and did it safely but the safety switch is really stiff (like almost two hands to push it forward) and cant figure out why there is nothing by it to make it that way but i dont really want to pull the whole assembly apart just wondering if somebody knew any reason this could be thanks alot
you get no thank-you. Now go get a broom stick, metal hanger, and some duct tape and fashion yourself a camera mount and do it over again. I expect professionalism in my free tutorials. You do get 2 thumbs up for lighting, but since I'm out of Dramamine I'm taking them back. Now off you go!
How about a thank you? You're welcome. I think I did pretty well holding the camera, zooming in and out while guessing it was in frame, while simultaneously turning a screwdriver, holding a scale and pulling the trigger. I'll be sure to withhold my next free tutorial video until a properly certified union cameraman is available to shoot it to your standards . . . . not.
Yea.... First rule of firearms is to never point gun at anything or anyone... unless you are planning on shooting that object or person. I've had few occasions where some jackass pointed a gun in my direction and they said.... don't worry, it's not loaded. That really pisses me off. Second rule is there's no such thing as an unloaded gun. Treat every gun as if it's loaded. Don't point it at anyone!!
I don't believe this a Remington 700 trigger only problem. I know for a fact that the Timney trigger is quite willing to be maladjusted with the same result. I bought a 458 Mag Mauser (tm) with the Timney badly adjusted. Luckily I disassembled the rifle, measured some things and checked it out. Nothing out of kilter except the rifle would fire when I took the safety off, ouch. A few adjustments and I had the rifle I was expecting. After watching this video I have decided NOT to return my two Remington 700s for new triggers. I just can't believe Remington knuckled under on this deal.
+Sparky Patriot This video is about the 'Walker' trigger and how mal-adjustments will effect it. The Walker trigger is on the older Remington 700's. From what I understand, the Remington recall is for the X-Mark Pro trigger, which is found on the newer Remington 700's. Don't confuse the two triggers - they are distinctly different. If you have the XMP trigger on your Remington, I'd recommend you either send it in for the recall or replace it yourself.
Its not just that particular trigger or company. He talks about the industry as a whole. Guns aren't safe like they use to be. Of course, you WOULD need to read the book to understand that. I challenge u to read it. Come on... You know your curious to see whats in there. Hell I'd even give u a copy if I had a spare. Peace be with you.
The cure for a Remington trigger is called a Timney trigger. All things being equal, knowing and following the basics of firearms safety can never be stressed too much. #1- Never muzzle anything that you don't intend to shoot! #2 - Review #1!
for 20+years, the Timney trigger was IDENTICAL to the Walker, except had lock nuts on the adjustment screws instead of glue.. Try again, Einstein. ( Now it's different. )
Wow, that is crazy, that is whats happening to my gun, I have a timney trigger in mine that a previous owner put in, and he adjusted it to be extremely light on the trigger and now it's screwing up. But looking at this I can adjust that
Question does the use of gun scrubber solvents destroy the glue that blocks the adjustment screws? Many gun owners use these solvent to clean the crud out of gun mechanism which occurs with normal use of the gun. I'm wondering if the glue is compromised and the adjustment.screws move on their own with normal gun handling could this be one reason for the accidental discharge of the gun???
I liked that! You showed that the same tension adjustment screw, which some think is for adjust ing the actual trigger-pull weight, is actually the device which brings the entire working mechanism into order; also, that it's possible to go too far and create a problem. How did you measure that .022" of engagement. I saw a process wherein the tech screws in the sear until it de-cocks; then backs it off by 1/4-turn. Does that work, in your thinking? Am I understanding that the over-travel adjustment controls how close the trigger is to engagement with the sear? IE you want it close but not over-lapping the sear-travel? Thanks and, let's keep grease and debris OUT of the triggers!
William Heppe William Heppe *drag (and I'm not married to the term, but can't think of something better right now), is how far the trigger is slid (dragged) across the sear to reach the release point. * over-travel is how far it can be pulled past the point of release * tension is how much spring pressure you are working against when pulling the trigger, AND ALSO is what resets the trigger. It is this last one that creates problems. It is a small and stiff spring. Small adjustments have a large effect. People tend to adjust the tension spring pressure until they think they have a light trigger pull. But part of the trigger pull weight - I'm going to throw "a little less than 2 pounds" out there, but it varies gun to gun - is the friction of the striker. This can never be zero. So if one adjusts the the trigger to this point of "a little less than 2 pounds", there is actually ZERO pressure on the trigger spring. The whole trigger pull weight is the friction of the striker. So the trigger does not reset, and can fire on bolt closure. There must be enough spring pressure to return the trigger forward. That's why my absolute minimum is 2.5#. Others say 2#, but this is so close to the "no-pressure at all" point, that I am not comfortable with it. So I do 2.5-3# on a target rifle and 4# on a hunting rifle. How much drag? In working on hundreds of gun types over the last 25 years, I've come up with .022" as being the minimum. While the type of sear engagement is relevant, and some guns need to be more, it's been a good rule of thumb.
Thank you for this video. My son wants a Remington 700 for Christmas... I was worried sick after watching the CNBC video. I will make sure he does not adjust the trigger on his new rifle. Do you have a preference as to 30-06 vs 308 caliber? He is pretty sure he wants the 30-06 version... Ballistics chart looks pretty close at 200 yards with one of the bullet weights. Thank you again for a great comprehensive explanation of this trigger.
My father Brandon Clark actually was one of the first attorneys to fight Remington Arms and win the lawsuit proving that certain model firearms from Remington were made without a small piece that would have prevented the firearm from discharging even with the safety on. Even with the safety on the firearm could still discharge.
Since this is the Rem 700 Walker and not "certain model" I don't know if your post has any relevance to the subject. Can you demonstrate how to fire a rem 700 walker with the safety on?
My Remington 700 , 223 has a beautiful trigger from the factory , no adustment needed . My 700 30-06 had so much glue it it it was not adjustable so I just replaced it with a Timney . Be safe , always keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction rule # 1 of gun safety .
Cheers for the video excellent job. Fully understood it the way you were explaining, camera work is no big deal if you are watching it to actually learn. Nice one.
Thank you very much for this video. I read some of the comments and one recent comment is irritatingly childish. I hope this does not discourage any further videos in the future because I found this one to be very helpful. Thank you again!
Ok. I tried it on my 700 and the safety forces the trigger forward and in turn, forces the sear back??? Does that mean mine has been fixed or is a newer model?
I have 2 700adls, newer. Never have adjusted anything. The triggers were dirty on the outside and on the inside I imagine. Is there a cleaner you recommend? I've heard lighter fluid. I didn't want to use CLP it's hard to remove. Hopps bore cleaner? I'd like something cheap and easy to do, so I can do it every time. I did some light Rem oil on it. I've never had a problem. My trigger is heavy but no creep. I like it. Thanks.
+T Mon Remington recommends Rem Oil (of course), but I think the point is that it should be a thin oil that leaves no gummy residue. Kerosene or lighter fluid would probably meet those criteria as a cleaner, and if you already have Rem Oil, I don't see a reason to hunt for something else.
+T Mon Any good light oil can be used to flush out any dirt. Sewing machine oil works well, as it is designed never to go 'gummy' with time (which would be very bad in a sewing machine), and you can get it almost anywhere..... like habadashery shops, sewing/knitting emporia and many general stores. There is an oil called "3 in 1" that I have used with great success over many years. It cleans and lubes and doesn't go sticky with age.... cycle shops have it....
+William Heppe Why would he be nuts? If he never messed with the trigger adjustments, meaning adjustments are set at factory to the factory setting, wouldn't that be the safest? This video implied that the problem with the trigger is the result of improper adjustments made in attempt to lighten trigger pull, (accidental disengagement of trigger return spring). If such adjustments were never made and gun was only used with factory setting, why would Thomas be considered "nuts" for thinking that this is a good way to go?
+pchen911 Depends on which trigger he has. This video is about the 'Walker' trigger, which was installed on Remington 700s from inception to about 2006. If he has a Walker, more than likely he will be fine as long as his trigger is adjusted properly, as superbly demonstrated by Arizonaresponse. Starting in 2006, Remington 700s were produced with the newer X-Mark Pro (XMP) trigger. The XMP is the recall trigger and has been proven to have negligent discharges caused by the bonding agent in colder temperatures - nothing to do with adjustments. So the first thing to do is determine which trigger Thomas Jefferson has installed on his rifle, then take the appropriate course of action.
bahaha i like the grain weight for humans lmao!!! thanks for the video!! i got a remington 770 30-06 but the trigger is just way to hard to pull to get a accurate shot..by the time i squeeze the trigger the reticle is at the top corner of the page... lol
Learned this when I was 17…… used the modified adjustment at 2lbs until I was able to afford a Jewel trigger. Best trigger on the market at that time and I believe Still Is👍
Anyone who has ever had a " Remington Moment " should watch and learn from this video! My dad has an older 700 bdl and it has had a round go off taking it off safety. I might add, when we bought this gun the barrel was bedded and obviously someone who has messed with setting it up for accuracy. after watching this video I took the gun apart ( it had no play at all in the trigger ) and after making some adjustments I feel confident now in the safety of this rifle.
My personal preference is .308 Win. There is little you can't do with it. 220g bullets are fine for elk. 110g Hornaday TAP for coyote. 145-165 for humans. 165-175g for target if you have a 1-10 twist (most are 1-12). I don't see the point in going to a long action for .30-06. Adds weight with no real benefit. It also allows me to have the same ammo for my military style rifles. So if you already have a bunch of rifles in .30-06, go with that, but if not, I'd standardize with .308.
Thank you very much! This answered a vital question for me. Knowledge saves lives!
Wow, it has taken over a decade for me to discover this video. Thank you. I have used the Rem 700 for years and always thought it a great platform but never understood the trigger hate. It has and will be my go to bolt gun. After all this time and all the bad press I never had any issues with my 700s. At the end of the day the 700 trigger was never at fault. Just the idiots that unknowingly messed it up. I have never tampered with any of my triggers. I never felt qualified to do so. I have always adjusted my shooting habits to compensate for the triggers in each gun I use. My rifles have never failed me. I may have failed myself but my rifles have not. Great video sir. I just wish the rest of the world would watch it.
Thanks a lot for this vid explaining very well the mechanics of the trigger and safety system of this rifle. Couldn't agree more that if you are stupid then accidents happen, weather that be through wrongly adjusting the trigger system or waving around a loaded rifle at people!
My friend has a old 700 the ones you had to put on fire to open the bolt some times you can put it from fire to safe and it will shoot and you could pull back hard on the bolt when it was on fire and shoot it . I put a timney trigger on for him and it is now safe I have 3 rem 700s and never had a problem out of them they are my goto hunting rifles ....
Same here My Rem 700 Varmint Special bought NIB in 72' Have Shot it thousands of times with out any self firing like they are describing etc.But I just may get a Timney Replacement Trigger for it, So my Son, Will never have to worry about it ever happening years from now, When I am gone etc.
Great job explaining how this trigger works! I have a 1994 Sendero with the factory trigger. I got this rifle used. I had it discharge on me twice moving the safety to the fire position. Previous owner had it happen once, while unloading the gun in a vertical position. I recently replaced the trigger with a used Timney 510. Same problem, although this time with no live rounds. I was able to see the slop in the trigger. The factory trigger still has the red glue, so it came from the factory mis-adjusted. Thanks to this video, I should be able to at least make the Timney trigger safe. Again, great work. really appreciate finding this!
Lee Johnson I want your old trigger, Lee!
What MAY not have been said here is there have been firearm related forums where it's been reported that Remington has used too much grease in the trigger assemblies, both Walker and predecessor which caused issues, sometimes in as-received condition.
While perhaps it cannot be said if the triggers were misadjusted by the factory and if the misadjustment was due to said grease, fact of the matter is when you have an "economy" model rifle mass produced on an assembly line, I'm thinking it may be debatable if the purchaser has a right to expect a fully quality control inspected firearm. This to me implies one should first perform a function check, then tear-down, clean and grease/oil (and another function check) before considering the rifle safe to load for the first time.
My new from the factory Mossberg Patriot came with rust in the bolt and I had to send it back to the factory because the rails didn't line up (and it was returned with the same problem).
Another issue or point is (obviously), rifles may be better suited for bench rest shooting with a lighter trigger pull than if used for hunting. In my world (air rifles and .22 caliber "recreational ownership" beginnings), in the bargain bracket said lighter trigger is probably obtained by polishing trigger parts and a possible lighter return spring.
How this second "observation" applies to the hunting rifle is that it seems the safest way to lighten a trigger on, say, the Remington 700, seems to be a three step situation. First, it should be clean and properly lubricated (I like an oil that will evaporate with some graphite mixed in for the trigger and sear to pivot on), Second it could be CAREFULLY polished where it would eventually wear in, and then last it could be adjusted and tested with a pull gage and if the mechanism is FULLY understood, possibly modified by way of one or more springs. IF MODIFIED IN ANY WAY all parts should be retained and adjustments noted so they can be returned to factory spec should the rifle ever be sold.
Your vid goes a long way toward understanding that by design the minimum trigger pull desired by many for bench rest shooting is not going to attainable without a very high risk that dirt or powder residue getting into a trigger housing set up by even a fully knowledgeable owner can easily swamp any margin of safety. Therefore I believe the only way this trigger to be safe in a bench rest configuration is once fired more than a few times or subjected to being "fouled", it should be treated as existing in an unsafe mechanical condition. Routine cleaning should include trigger assembly.
I MIGHT polish my trigger assembly of my new-to-me 1975 Remington 700, however, per your recommendation, I no longer think I will attempt a trigger pull lighter than 2.5#, and then only if I can first get it to pass a bump test at 2# before attempting that 2.5#.
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE DESIGN PARAMETERS OF THE WALKER TRIGGER ASSEMBLY!!!
Funny how some master gunsmiths are so locked into their own way of thinking that they can't see any other perspectives. After all you are the only master gunsmith in the world. Oh BTW, I like how u fell so quickly into name calling. Showing your true colors I see.
Yeah - my true colors - straight, to the point, and with no bullshit. You should try it sometime.
In the real world there is this thing called evidence - not just your say so, not the say-so of some "expert witness". You're damn right I called that paid shill a douchebag. He talks all kinds of shit about the Walker, but when in court under oath, he admits he's never been able to duplicate the defect he alleges it has.
I have clearly demonstrated how to duplicate the so-called defect mechanically, and showed how the introduction of foreign debris and/or rust can do the same thing.
What have you done? Have you demonstrated a different way to the same result? Or do you just pout when I point out your so-called expert cannot. In fact, nobody ever has, and many have tried.
So instead of pouting like a petulant child, show some evidence.
You may not have intended to give instructions on how to do a trigger job, but you did a pretty darn good job of it lol! Just kidding yea man, great job on the video. And yes this is a great reason to leave the trigge work to the professionals!!!
Agreed
kingrider75 I agree, partly. I've three Rem 700's. Two with Walkers and one SPS with the errant X-Mark. I adjusted my walkers and found , by examination, much of what the video explains. Afterwards, I tried to make them fail but they are rock-solid. Oh! and they work beautifully. That spring is so important to understand! On the X-Mark, I hated the feeling that the trigger was pulling up-hill and tried to adjust that stupid screw but could not get any change. I took it to a gunsmith friend who charged me and he took the thing apart and NEVER touched the screws! He polished the sear and modified the spring; all of this according to his chosen formula. It works really smooth and crisp. Every release is a surprise.
I think it's possible that some, if not all, "professionals" out there are still learning their craft.
Thanks for this video. Yours is the first one that I've found that goes past the rhetoric and explains the problem, and it gives me much more confidence in the weapon.
I know this is an old thread, but perhaps confidence is not warranted. www.remingtondocuments.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/foolproofsafety.pdf
First thing I'd do s pull the horse-shoe shaped clip occ the axle. Then lift the spring steel cover plate. Then withdraw the axle from the left. The bolt stop spring may fall off or stay. Then pull the safety out to the rear. there is ball bearing sitting it it, so keep your hand cupped underneath. Take out the ball bearing and clean everythnig well. Put a drop of copper anti seize compound in the depression on the R side for the ball bearing. Then reassemble.
Awesome video man!!!!! The truth does sting quite a bit to the foolish, your video perfectly replicates the issues that have been blamed on one of the best bolt action rifles of all time. As usual, natural human stupidity is to blame and not the firearm. A firearm is only as dangerous as the fool that is handling it. I've owned the very same Remington Model 700 ADL for 18 years now and do you know how many negligent discharges I have had with it???? NONE, ZERO, ZILCH!!!!! That's because I'm not a dumbass, I DO NOT screw with the factory settings and I DO NOT mishandle it, it's that elementary simple. There is no such thing as an 'accidental' discharge!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't worry much about cnbc. Remember these are the same people that had to admit that they blew up chevy pickups with plenty of C4 only to tell you the fuel tanks were improperly designed. Remington, ruger, winchester, cz...etc triggers are perfectly safe as long as you use some common sense when adjusting.
Excellent, thank you
Great Video. Thank You. I bought a Remington 700 30-06 a coupe of weeks ago. It states that it has the X-Mark Pro Trigger. Is this the trigger you are showing. I've read the X-Mark Pro is a new design because of all the non trigger firings that have killed a few and injured many people. Is that the trigger assembly you are showing? If it is, then that shows the the trigger was setup incorrectly or was dirty and was not caused by the original factory design. Am I right or wrong in thinking this.
the old timney was the same as the remington, but with a lock nut on a longer set screw. The new timney is different.
good video, thanks.
thanks for posting this.... I was 99.999% sure that the "news" piece on the safety problem was pretty much a head hunt by "anti's" but I own a 700 and was thinking what if..
This explains quite a bit. But are we sure that all these inccidents were fools trying to get a easier pull? Or maybe some were not adjusted properly from factory?
Either way I'm going to check my pull weight soon as I get a chance!
So are the Walker Triggers Safe to use in my Rem 700,? If i did not ever do any Trigger screw's adjustment at all & been using the Rifle since 1972 with no problems like people are discribing self Firing etc. Thanks for sharing this Information
I have no concerns about the one in mine.
When people watch 2-3 video clips then believe they have the necessary knowledge to modify triggers, accidents happen. The old saying, "a little knowledge can be dangerous" applies. Way too many people playing with springs, strikers and sears without understanding the part's function or limits.
Hey man, I really enjoyed this video. I've seen, extensively, both sides of the debate...
I have also seen Remington rigorously defend themselves saying these accidents are caused by improperly maintained or ill- modified weapons. Part of me would say "Duh, this is a corporation" but this video just goes to show that, while some models may have actually failed (which can be said about any product ever) something has to be wrong with the rifle from neglect or mods, and the average person would not have this issue.
My goal was not to teach trigger jobs. Just to demonstrate the lie of the "defective Remington trigger." Perhaps in an upcoming gunsmithing video I will do bolt action rifles. Right now I offer a 5 hour FAL video with 200 page manual, and a 10 hour HK Weapon Systems Armorer video, and a Browning hi-power gunsmithing video. Go to the store of Arizona Response Systems for more info.
even Walker is on record saying the trigger was defective,
12 months after the rifles release he let Remington know in writting that it was, they would not rectify the problem, it was all about making money and its all on record, for anyone to say the Remington trigger was not defective is an insult to those who were hurt or lost their lives because of it IMHO
@@markandmellwhiteley7995 lets see the documents. I've heard this claim before, but it no evidence could be produced. Since it's "on record" please show us the record.
@@arizonaresponse here you go LOL
now you can say you have the evidence nobody produced
www.cnbc.com/video/2015/12/18/remington-defended-existing-700-model.html
www.cnbc.com/2015/12/08/remington-under-fire-the-reckoning.html
if the truth is to be known Remington's are a plumbers gun but the first part you throw and replace is the trigger ;)
Its my understanding the economy Model 770 has the same trigger as the older 700s designed by Walker. Is this true? Should I have concerns with a 770? (I also dont adjust any of my triggers, with the exception of the Savage Acutrigger etc) as I am not a gunsmith.
I guess you point it dont be messing around with triggers, and clean well. I have a suspicion I wont be shooting myself If I keep following those two basic rules.
don't know, I haven't gotten a 770 in the shop
Spencer Smith I don't think that was his point at all! I think it is, "Learn how the thing works and, if you're going to adjust it, do it correctly." No?
still would replace the trigger completely bc I just don’t trust it!.
In one video the cold effects the trigger. Won't do it all the time either. Might be more going on than someone messing around with adjustments.
+Squirrelgrrl1 The video demonstrating how the cold effects the trigger is about the X-Mark Pro Trigger. This video is a demonstration of the 'Walker' trigger. The Walker trigger is on the older Rem 700's. The XMP trigger is on the newer Rem 700's. Don't confuse the two triggers. They are very different triggers with their own issues.
It seems there actually was a problem with the trigger and that Remington was aware of it as early as 1948-it is another "Pinto" example. Here is an interesting link. www.remingtondocuments.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/foolproofsafety.pdf
Guns are far "safer" than they have ever been, and anyone who says otherwise is a complete moron with no understanding whatsoever of the history of firearms design.
What's not safe is pointing a rifle at your kid (loaded or not).
What's not safe is a culture that shields people from the consequences of their behavior.
What's not safe is a society that gives equal merit to uneducated opinion and fact.
+Peter Nincompoop Yep.... all good rules. I always hand someone a gun with the action open and after checking it, even though I KNOW that it was clear when I put it in the safe.... Guns can't think, so we have to do it for them...
Your statement that guns are "safer" is completely subjective. And the argument is ridiculous anyway. Of course any product should be safer than it was 200 years ago. Car's are safer than they were 60 years ago but that doesn't mean manufacturer flaws don't happen.
"Car are safer today than 60 years ago is completely subjective"
FAIL!
Dont stoop to his level man, both cars and rifles are of course better designed and OBJECTIVELY safer from accidental discharge[the rifle, not the man/rifle combination] now than they were 200 years ago:/ This is easily shown by testing!
SO I gotta ask what happens with all the discharges that happened with a gun brand new out of the box ones that happen with ones that never been fiddled with and only cleaned from time to time. As there has been cases where the discharge has happened with brand new untouched guns, ones that haven't been fiddled with, and one that came back from licensed gunsmiths.
Like following this video. ( th-cam.com/video/Qa0cNr2_fSE/w-d-xo.html )
His 700 has the discharge problem and he bought the gun brand new. And he has never touched the trigger just the occasional cleaning.
+Klink Keng
Sorry, this got shunted to "messaage needs approval". I don't know why.
First, a licensed gunsmith has paid $300. That is all. There is no skill test. It's just an FFL. The license is to ship guns interstate. So there are plenty of morons who are "licensed gunsmiths".
And here''s another little tip - people lie.
Do you think somebody who just shot their kid in the head by accident (because they violated every rule of safety), is going to admit it? Or blame the gun? "It just went off!". Yeah, dumbshit, 'cause you had your finger on the trigger and your muzzle covering your kid. Duh!
I showed you the mechanism my which the discharge occurs. It is certainly possible that in a million rifles, one escapes Remington quality control. The rifle in the video has the latest synthetic stock and I don't believe it to be the Walker. The XMark ironically has glue occasionally blocking the reset. Glue put there to keep idiots from adjusting it.
If you can demonstrate any other method by which a Walker can be discharged, please do. But with millions of dollars at stake, nobody has been able to do so.
+Klink Keng arizonaresponse is absolutely correct. His demo (shown in this video) is how mal-adjustment of the WALKER trigger (found on older Remington 700's) can lead to a negligent discharge. His premise is don't mess with it and you wont' have an issue!! The video clip you identified above made and posted by JimmyDickens1 demonstrates the X-Mark Pro trigger, which replaced the Walker trigger ~2006. His theory at the time he made the video is that there was some component or part in the trigger assembly that is heat and cold sensitive causing the negligent discharge. Turns out, as arizonaresponse pointed out below, it was the bonding agent causing the issue. Remington issued the recall to fix the affected X-Mark Pro triggers. As you watch trigger videos, be mindful of which trigger is being discussed. It isn't always obvious. And there is a distinct difference between the Walker trigger and the X-Mark Pro trigger.
Ya after watching that video again and reading around other places about this gun. The video even if it was a different gun considered the saftest in the world there was no gun safety practices used at all in the video let alone the most common sense one's. That misfire was completely their fault and not the gun.
+Klink Keng Don't mis-interpret what I said above - the Jimmy Dickens video you tagged is a legitimate issue and Jimmy Dickens correctly identified the problem - that was verified by Remington when they issued the recall. The issue spelled out in that video really was the bonding agent and really caused negligent discharges. The point I was making is that arizonaresponses video, featuring the Remington 700 'Walker' trigger, and the Jimmy Dickens video, featuring the Remington 700 X-Mark Pro trigger, are BOTH legitimate videos. The point is that they are discussing TWO very different trigger systems!I'm curious - what bad safety practices did you find in the Jimmy Dickens video? I watched it again and didn't see anything...
Ya I was accidentally was referring to the video where the lady was unloading her rife and shot her son with her husbands 700.
AND STILL REMINGTON DOES NOTHING!!
WE MUST REFRAME FROM BUYING THE REMINGTON 700!!
Remington Arms does not exist, so How can they "DO Something"?? Get a brain or "Something".
yes, it could be used as directions for a trigger job, but there are some things I didn't cover that may be important. So if anyone chooses to use it for directions, let me reiterate
keep the pull weight no less than 2.5 pounds or 40 oz. Some respected smiths say the mechanism is safe to 2.0 pounds or 32 oz, but I think 2.5# is a better choice. 2 pounds is too close to the friction only pull weight. And that is for a bench, sniper rifle or varmint rifle.
For a hunting rifle, I think 3.5# is the minimum with 4# a better target. If And be sure to secure the adjustment screws with some 5 minute epoxy after you've obtained the desired adjustment.
you have a target rifle and a need for a trigger below 2 pounds, then a different design is in order - the Jewel has an additional fulcrum to work safely at these low weights.
arizonaresponse, Thank you for the video. Excellent information. My model 700 was in an unsafe condition and had no clue to what was wrong. I found that the trigger pull adjustment was not even contacting the return spring. Now I just need a scale to adjust it to a good pull weight.
Awesome video! Thanks so much for taking the time to produce this!
Great video. It shows how someone could cause the 700 to fire as claimed by CNBC. BUT, it also shows how the design can be dangerous if dirt or rust got into the mechanism. I believe Remington knew this and chose not to change it for it would imply they acknowledge its flawed. Making a "fool proof" safety would have been in everyones best interest including Remingtons. Sadly they chose bottom line over safety. They could have avoided costly lawsuits. BTW. Best damn gun ever. Just sadly corporate stupidity rules over common sense in not changing it sooner.
Clearly the better safety design is one that locks the trigger in an "un-pulled" position where it will always be in the position to positively engage the sear when the safety is moved to the fire position or bolt operated. This was a safety design element reported to have been offered by the trigger designer Walker as an improvement and declined by remmington over cost considerations. CLEARLY THE "MANUAL OF ARMS" FOR THIS TRIGGER / SAFETY DESIGN IS, IN A SAFE MANNER, TO MANUALLY INSURE THE TRIGGER IS IN THE "UN-PULLED" POSITION PRIOR TO DISENGAGING THE SAFETY OR OPERATING THE BOLT along with proper maintenance and adjustment and SAFE GUN HANDLING. To me this says the mainstay Walker trigger / safety can still be safely used.
Any product manufactured with adjustable parameters should be designed to operate safely even when adjustments have been exceeded. The public are not all Remington employees or professional gunsmiths. The trigger is defective.
For those who have have been wailing and moaning about a recent recall on a DIFFERENT TRIGGER, I will just delete your post. I cannot help the fact that you are too f-cking stupid to grasp "DIFFERENT TRIGGER". This video is about the Walker type trigger, which was the one in the media hit piece.
Great video. Horrible camera work.😉Like anything, use it as intended, stop fixing it until it's broken and maintain the hell out of it. Defective design or not, the worst thing that could happen as a result of the gun firing when the safety is released is:1. You miss bagging the trophy of a lifetime. Or.... 2. You blow a match. Any harm to you or anyone else is negligence on you!!! The trigger didnt point that gun you did. Simple truth.
Or the police sniper accidentally shoots his target.
I think you meant guns ARE safer than ever before. Modern innovations like the passive firing pin block, for one example.
That video you where refering to is an absolute piece of trash. They never addressed whether or not the guns had been modified. Never even mentioned that it was possible
Thank you for this video. It makes everything clear now. This is why I do research before making adjustments on any of my guns. I love my R700! I'm really glad to hear it is not Remington's fault, but the negligence of the owner. Thus, Remington maintains its status as an American icon.
thank you quite informative .......moral of the story is just get a Winchester 70....great vid............
Very informal Vid! There are dangerous areas in every equipment and machines that unqualified people need to stay out of. Exceeding trigger adjustments, reloading and other areas dealing with firearms can lead to disaster. I have bought 2 brand new model 700 rifles, SPS varmint in .223 in 2011 and Sendero SFII in .300 RUM in 2012 and am keeping both of them at 5 Lb trigger pull. Both of these rifles have the X-MARK PRO trigger system. Does your video demonstration cover this type of trigger?
tested grandads 721 ( was altered ) set it,, did a drop test from hip ,it did not go off till i took the safty off
That's what give Remington a bad name people mess with triggers that don't know what they are doing go see a gun smith
Thanks so much for making this. My 700BDL is an old hunting friend, and because of that tv program I have looked at with mistrust. But now I can rest easy. You should have a show telling those other gun bashing jerks, how it is!!!
Thank you. I will never again loan out my 700
Very nice indeed. I think you replicated many problems we have seen with the rifle in videos online. Now that I see how it works, I can't see how it would fail unless it was out of adjustment and/or not maintained to a severe level. If this mechanism discharges, it is because of operator/user error.
+Noah Diamond (Rainbow Unicorn) Keep in mind many online videos do not tell you which trigger they are talking about. This demonstration is how the 'Walker' trigger operates. The Walker is found on the older Remington 700's. Some of the other videos address the issues people are having with the X-Mark Pro trigger. The XMP replaced the Walker trigger on the Remington 700's in ~2006. Don't confuse the two triggers.
My Dad has a 1968 Remington 700 BDL 30-06 and it has always worked fine, no trigger problems! Most likely the problems people encounter with wonderful Remington 700 rifles which I believe are even better than those custom $5,000 or more rifles is people neglect them, get them dirty, do not clean them, abuse them, and then lousy old 700 they are nothing but crap! B.S. is what that is! If you maintain any Remington 700 rifle according to the Remington manual it comes with you will never have any problems with your wonderful Remington 700 rifle period, trigger or otherwise!!
I freely admit my ignorance about gun mechanisms and what makes them safe or otherwise. it occurs to me that you would think that the highest priority for any firearm would be absolute safety and its design reflect that. If it comes down to the use of solvents, grease and other lubricants, aren't we in trouble? And how many rifle owners would have the intimate knowledge this man has to fix a problem. And besides' it's not the province of a shooter to be an armourer or smith! Surely, such design faults, that's exposed to the public, simply should never occur in the first place?
+nifty1940 It strikes me that when adjusted as per factory specs, this trigger system will never fail, but if adjusted even a tad too light, it can be dangerous. All gun makers warn against uninformed tinkering, and to have all adjustments made by a competent gun-smith, but of course cannot force people to do this. ANY adjustable trigger can be made unsafe by the uninitiated. I've had people bring me semi-auto AK47s that go full auto at odd moments. It's always because someone has "adjusted" the trigger mechanism incorrectly. Usually I can fix them, but sometimes not without replacing a lot of pricey parts.... ;-)
Thanks for that. It makes sense, as you explain it. I guess it's the anatomy of a firearm to have its peculiarities. It's just that, if a gas pedal had the same specificity, the richest trade in the world would be car repairer's. Why aren't gunsmiths as (hypothetically) as rich:-) ?
@ ArizonaResponseSystems, thank you for the video. A friend shared this video with me. I was looking to adjust my Sportsman 78 as the trigger is way too heavy. Dad had it checked once and it was set at almost 6 pounds. I tried to adjust could not get the sear to budge. Tried a lighter to heat it up, but it was not enough. Is it possible to adjust the trigger without adjusting the sear? I had already backed the over travel and trigger adjustment so putting it back to where it was, was not possible. I contacted a gunsmith and all they suggest is to replace the trigger. I disagree, with their advice and want to learn more. I feel the trigger is good and works as it was designed, within its design. So, how do I get the sear to free up, and do I have to adjust the sear to reduce the pounds required to pull the trigger?
Excellent Video
I wonder if the rifle trigger was tampered With when the wife killed her son by accident wanted too blem the rifle company instead even private police and military had problems with their triggers gun going off when taking safety off these company are not happy with the pounds set from the factory so they decided too adjust it not knowing what they doing
As always, nothing is idiot proof. To own a firearm at all in my country (NZ) you have to sit and pass a firearms safety course in which such matters are contained. Even so, as a gun-smith I see guns that have been tampered with by the unknowledgeable and rendered unsafe. After all the fuss about the 700, your video shows the issue to perfection, thank you.
All of the 700s that I have ever seen had nice 3-4lb triggers that were totally reliable, and your video shows why... :-)
Real quality looking trigger that one. Smart of them to design a trigger that can be adjusted past safe spec. But at least they saved a few bucks. Lol. All these Rem triggers are so cheaply made. Pressed sheet metal. An armourer suggested never expect more than 500 rpunds out of the older sheet metal ones and the later MIM are even less hard wearing. What is funny is why you would bother to adjust that piece of junk rather than replace it.
This is the only really good explanation of the issue I’ve found. I could see improper lubricant and dirt compounding this problem.
So you're telling me I can't adjust my trigger pull to under 2lbs and then blame the gun manufacturer when the gun discharges in one of my friends faces? What has America come to
Thanks for vdo. I've had 3 or 4 mdl 700 and never had any problems with triggers. The therey i have tryed and seemed to work is, leave the damn thing alone if you don't know what you're doing! But hey that's just me.
Nice video. now I must look for video on an AccuTrigger . I was thinking of getting on put on my rem 700.
it doesn't work that way. I have plenty of tripods. I bought a helmet and mounted an accessory rail to it in the hopes of not needing a cameraman. I installed monitors on a swing arm on the ceiling so I can see what the camera sees. While it may work riding a mountain bike, it doesn't work on 10x-20x macro zoom. I need a second person.
Great video, I do not own a Rem. 700 but wanted a look at trigger assembly. Great explanation, Thanks
Of course. I'd recommend my METACOL III for several reasons. The first is tht it is 10x more durable than Parkerizing. The second is that the AK is a bunch of rivets, machined parts, and stampings, each of a different metal type and hardness. So you will see a lot more color variation in a parkerized finish than in my M3 satin black, using the Manganese Phosphate (park) as a primer.
yes - guns are designed to fire when you pull the trigger. That's what "trigger" (as a verb) means. To make something happen. To induce an event.
That's just crazy to have a safety that blocks one part of the firing mechanism inside of the trigger but does not block the trigger itself. It should not be called a safety in this case! If you have a safety where the trigger still moves then it should block the firing pin. It's too risky to have it that way.
what if you put it on safe sqeeze the trigger and take it off safe while still sqeezing, will it fire?
Too bad most of the new Remington 700's come with the X-Mark Pro trigger that is only adjustable for pull weight. I managed to get my hands on a brand new 700P back in May 2012. It came with the Walker trigger, but the sear engagement and overtravel screws had their heads cut off and had been soldered in place. That's why I ended up getting a Timney Trigger. The Timney's safety also works differently by blocking the trigger lever instead of the sear so it won't have the like issue in the video.
Hey maby somebody out there could help me with this problem i just bought a used remington 700 bdl and it doesnt have the xmark trigger and the pull weight was way to heavy so i know how to adjust them and did it safely but the safety switch is really stiff (like almost two hands to push it forward) and cant figure out why there is nothing by it to make it that way but i dont really want to pull the whole assembly apart just wondering if somebody knew any reason this could be thanks alot
Regardless of all this there still shouldve been a firing pin block added as I believe the designer himself said.
you get no thank-you. Now go get a broom stick, metal hanger, and some duct tape and fashion yourself a camera mount and do it over again. I expect professionalism in my free tutorials. You do get 2 thumbs up for lighting, but since I'm out of Dramamine I'm taking them back.
Now off you go!
Excellent presentation. I just bought a 700 and I'll be checking it out.
How about a thank you?
You're welcome. I think I did pretty well holding the camera, zooming in and out while guessing it was in frame, while simultaneously turning a screwdriver, holding a scale and pulling the trigger.
I'll be sure to withhold my next free tutorial video until a properly certified union cameraman is available to shoot it to your standards . . . . not.
Yea.... First rule of firearms is to never point gun at anything or anyone... unless you are planning on shooting that object or person.
I've had few occasions where some jackass pointed a gun in my direction and they said.... don't worry, it's not loaded. That really pisses me off.
Second rule is there's no such thing as an unloaded gun. Treat every gun as if it's loaded. Don't point it at anyone!!
I don't believe this a Remington 700 trigger only problem. I know for a fact that the Timney trigger is quite willing to be maladjusted with the same result. I bought a 458 Mag Mauser (tm) with the Timney badly adjusted. Luckily I disassembled the rifle, measured some things and checked it out. Nothing out of kilter except the rifle would fire when I took the safety off, ouch. A few adjustments and I had the rifle I was expecting.
After watching this video I have decided NOT to return my two Remington 700s for new triggers. I just can't believe Remington knuckled under on this deal.
+Sparky Patriot This video is about the 'Walker' trigger and how mal-adjustments will effect it. The Walker trigger is on the older Remington 700's. From what I understand, the Remington recall is for the X-Mark Pro trigger, which is found on the newer Remington 700's. Don't confuse the two triggers - they are distinctly different. If you have the XMP trigger on your Remington, I'd recommend you either send it in for the recall or replace it yourself.
Awesome info
Its not just that particular trigger or company. He talks about the industry as a whole. Guns aren't safe like they use to be. Of course, you WOULD need to read the book to understand that. I challenge u to read it. Come on... You know your curious to see whats in there. Hell I'd even give u a copy if I had a spare. Peace be with you.
ghk357 Can you prove that guns USED to be safe?
thank you
The cure for a Remington trigger is called a Timney trigger.
All things being equal, knowing and following the basics of firearms safety can never be stressed too much.
#1- Never muzzle anything that you don't intend to shoot!
#2 - Review #1!
for 20+years, the Timney trigger was IDENTICAL to the Walker, except had lock nuts on the adjustment screws instead of glue.. Try again, Einstein.
( Now it's different. )
Wow, that is crazy, that is whats happening to my gun, I have a timney trigger in mine that a previous owner put in, and he adjusted it to be extremely light on the trigger and now it's screwing up. But looking at this I can adjust that
I got the 30-06 because they were more readily available in my area and a couple of bucks cheaper. (no pun intended on the bucks)
Question does the use of gun scrubber solvents destroy the glue that blocks the adjustment screws? Many gun owners use these solvent to clean the crud out of gun mechanism which occurs with normal use of the gun. I'm wondering if the glue is compromised and the adjustment.screws move on their own with normal gun handling could this be one reason for the accidental discharge of the gun???
good question. Gunscrubber (relabeled carb cleaner wt 5x the price) certainly attacks oil/grease. I do not know if it attacks locktite or epoxy.
I liked that! You showed that the same tension adjustment screw, which some think is for adjust ing the actual trigger-pull weight, is actually the device which brings the entire working mechanism into order; also, that it's possible to go too far and create a problem. How did you measure that .022" of engagement. I saw a process wherein the tech screws in the sear until it de-cocks; then backs it off by 1/4-turn. Does that work, in your thinking?
Am I understanding that the over-travel adjustment controls how close the trigger is to engagement with the sear? IE you want it close but not over-lapping the sear-travel?
Thanks and, let's keep grease and debris OUT of the triggers!
William Heppe
William Heppe
*drag (and I'm not married to the term, but can't think of something better right now), is how far the trigger is slid (dragged) across the sear to reach the release point.
* over-travel is how far it can be pulled past the point of release
* tension is how much spring pressure you are working against when pulling the trigger, AND ALSO is what resets the trigger.
It is this last one that creates problems. It is a small and stiff spring. Small adjustments have a large effect.
People tend to adjust the tension spring pressure until they think they have a light trigger pull. But part of the trigger pull weight - I'm going to throw "a little less than 2 pounds" out there, but it varies gun to gun - is the friction of the striker. This can never be zero. So if one adjusts the the trigger to this point of "a little less than 2 pounds", there is actually ZERO pressure on the trigger spring. The whole trigger pull weight is the friction of the striker. So the trigger does not reset, and can fire on bolt closure.
There must be enough spring pressure to return the trigger forward. That's why my absolute minimum is 2.5#. Others say 2#, but this is so close to the "no-pressure at all" point, that I am not comfortable with it. So I do 2.5-3# on a target rifle and 4# on a hunting rifle.
How much drag? In working on hundreds of gun types over the last 25 years, I've come up with .022" as being the minimum. While the type of sear engagement is relevant, and some guns need to be more, it's been a good rule of thumb.
Thank you for this video. My son wants a Remington 700 for Christmas... I was worried sick after watching the CNBC video. I will make sure he does not adjust the trigger on his new rifle. Do you have a preference as to 30-06 vs 308 caliber? He is pretty sure he wants the 30-06 version... Ballistics chart looks pretty close at 200 yards with one of the bullet weights. Thank you again for a great comprehensive explanation of this trigger.
My father Brandon Clark actually was one of the first attorneys to fight Remington Arms and win the lawsuit proving that certain model firearms from Remington were made without a small piece that would have prevented the firearm from discharging even with the safety on. Even with the safety on the firearm could still discharge.
Since this is the Rem 700 Walker and not "certain model" I don't know if your post has any relevance to the subject. Can you demonstrate how to fire a rem 700 walker with the safety on?
My Remington 700 , 223 has a beautiful trigger from the factory , no adustment needed . My 700 30-06 had so much glue it it it was not adjustable so I just replaced it with a Timney . Be safe , always keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction rule # 1 of gun safety .
Cheers for the video excellent job. Fully understood it the way you were explaining, camera work is no big deal if you are watching it to actually learn. Nice one.
Thank you very much for this video. I read some of the comments and one recent comment is irritatingly childish. I hope this does not discourage any further videos in the future because I found this one to be very helpful. Thank you again!
Ok. I tried it on my 700 and the safety forces the trigger forward and in turn, forces the sear back??? Does that mean mine has been fixed or is a newer model?
When was your 700 made? There have been three different trigger designs in the 700.
Thank you very much! You have made my life a lot easier
THE CAM IS STILL ENOUGH FOR ME! THANKS FOR THE VID BRO, PEOPLE NEED TO SEE THIS LIKE CNBC AND NBC
Thank you very much for this great video. I got a model 700 with a 8lb trigger pull and needed to be adjust. I am so happy I came across your video.
Degripp oil est top aussi ? Ou interflon ?
Brilliant.
And THANKS!!!
I have 2 700adls, newer. Never have adjusted anything. The triggers were dirty on the outside and on the inside I imagine. Is there a cleaner you recommend? I've heard lighter fluid. I didn't want to use CLP it's hard to remove. Hopps bore cleaner? I'd like something cheap and easy to do, so I can do it every time. I did some light Rem oil on it. I've never had a problem. My trigger is heavy but no creep. I like it. Thanks.
+T Mon Remington recommends Rem Oil (of course), but I think the point is that it should be a thin oil that leaves no gummy residue. Kerosene or lighter fluid would probably meet those criteria as a cleaner, and if you already have Rem Oil, I don't see a reason to hunt for something else.
Thanks.
+T Mon Any good light oil can be used to flush out any dirt. Sewing machine oil works well, as it is designed never to go 'gummy' with time (which would be very bad in a sewing machine), and you can get it almost anywhere..... like habadashery shops, sewing/knitting emporia and many general stores.
There is an oil called "3 in 1" that I have used with great success over many years. It cleans and lubes and doesn't go sticky with age.... cycle shops have it....
can you please hold the camera still?
Great video, thank you!!
Great video!
I also like Avo orange labels.
thanks for the info
So if I've never messed with the adjustments I should be good to go???
Thomas Jefferson Are you nuts?
+William Heppe Why would he be nuts? If he never messed with the trigger adjustments, meaning adjustments are set at factory to the factory setting, wouldn't that be the safest? This video implied that the problem with the trigger is the result of improper adjustments made in attempt to lighten trigger pull, (accidental disengagement of trigger return spring). If such adjustments were never made and gun was only used with factory setting, why would Thomas be considered "nuts" for thinking that this is a good way to go?
+pchen911 Depends on which trigger he has. This video is about the 'Walker' trigger, which was installed on Remington 700s from inception to about 2006. If he has a Walker, more than likely he will be fine as long as his trigger is adjusted properly, as superbly demonstrated by Arizonaresponse. Starting in 2006, Remington 700s were produced with the newer X-Mark Pro (XMP) trigger. The XMP is the recall trigger and has been proven to have negligent discharges caused by the bonding agent in colder temperatures - nothing to do with adjustments. So the first thing to do is determine which trigger Thomas Jefferson has installed on his rifle, then take the appropriate course of action.
bahaha i like the grain weight for humans lmao!!! thanks for the video!! i got a remington 770 30-06 but the trigger is just way to hard to pull to get a accurate shot..by the time i squeeze the trigger the reticle is at the top corner of the page... lol