Sorry that this video was kinda all over the place. I tried my best to make it somewhat organized but the raw footage was a nightmare lol. Hope you enjoyed anyway, thanks for watching :)
The reason nahida's E stops working after a while is because it only activates upon a reaction being triggered, after some time if she's solo dendro in the team there will be no reactions, only hydro being splashed in the enemy, thats why on 3hydro nahida is on field, if you want to use kokomi or other hydro on field you cant use 3 hydro, you'll have to have at least another dendro. It really doesnt matter the order that you do your rotations, the reason why at some point nahida off field was enough is because you didn't activate the nilou boutifull cores, dendrro cores hit also count for nahida's E, so when you dont have nilous cores the delay the normal cores have are enough to re activate her E, but with nilou the cores will almost immediately explode and in a matter of time it will be only hydro, so no matter the rotations, if you want to play 3hydro you have to on field nahida, if you want to on field someone else you should go dendro traveler+nahida
Honestly I’ve had a nightmare of a time trying to figure out how best to put my Nilou/Nahida bloom team together, so it made me feel better to see a knowledgeable Genshin creator also struggle with it a bit. It’s a tough team to figure out. Lots of moving parts.
Just wanted to say that this new set is really nice for Kokomi or Barbara. C2 Nahida is crazy but you need to keep in mind with how much Hydro application Kokomi does, Nahidas Dendro app cant keep up with it. Thats why I like to also run Dendro Traveler as the last slot with just a decent amount of EM and lots of ER as well just to keep more consistent Dendro with his/her burst. Anyways nice video as always
@@fr3941 isn't nahida coded to apply dendro and not trigger the reaction? it's only if u have too much hydro that u have a hydro aura instead of a dendro aura. 3 hydro and one dendro is a bit too much hydro (esp if one character is yelan)
@@fr3941 She or Dendro Traveler will obviously trigger some blooms but if you build your Nahida right and some EM on Dendro MC it doesnt matter much if they trigger the bloom. They will still do solid proccs around 60k crits and 30k non crits + in my experience Also be sure to dont use Nilous Water ring imo
Moga if you are reading this, the reason why nahida’s tri-karma purification isn’t working is because for it to trigger, you have to cause an elemental reaction on the marked enemy or have the enemy be hit by a bloom explosion. I hope answered your question.
Bloom damage does not trigger any elemental application. The issue is described by him in the video. Nahida has good dendro application but x3 hydro simply ends up overwhelming the dendro aura and of course without any other reaction trikarma can't refresh to generate more dendro aura. Issue is the Yelan imo.
@@charliicu the solution would be to use nahida on field imo, the others can apply hydro from off field, so even if hydro overwhelms dendeo, nahida will be able to trigger bloom with her normals, which will trigger trikarma and restore dendro on the opponent
@@charliicu xingqiu is actually worse in this case cz he applies more hydro than yelan. Dmc is decent but yelan is so powerful losing some blooms to her may still be worth it
A few things that might help you out: 1.Nahida's tri karma requires elemental reactions to activate, so if you remove the dendro with hydro before the cooldown of trikarma is over, you'll only have hydro and no reactions, so the tri karma won't proc 2. when nahida is on field, she triggers the least amount of blooms, because there will almost never be a hydro aura to apply the last element to, the dendro aura will overpower everything, so only the hydro is the one causing the blooms. triple hydro makes it more viable, but even, most comes from the hydro units
Guys the reason why no dendro is applied at some point is due to a limitation that Hoyo had put on Nahida’s Tri Karma Purification from her E skill. Basically you can do 9 reactions at most with it, or in other words 9 re-applications of dendro. But they forgot to make it so the mark is removed after the skill stops ticking. It lasts 25 seconds, you can tick/make a reaction and apply dendro every 2.5-1.8-ish seconds (elemental burst with an electro teammate) and there is a limit of 9 reactions. When no new reactions occur there is no further dendro application. Basically no dendro after the ninth reaction caused. They should at least fix the mark and make it disappear after it stops working to prevent confusion.
@@tomatozombie135 Yes, and the reason there are no reactions triggered is because it doesn’t reapply dendro, and that is because tri karma can cause a maximum of 9 reactions per cast, so after it applies dendro on the last reaction it won’t apply again on the next one. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have researched this and it is confirmed.
@@martinozmen7894 there isnt a maximum amount of application per cast. rather, its because nothing is triggering the tri-karma. to trigger the tri-karma, you need to trigger a reaction on an enemy, or get hit by a bloom. in this team, after you trigger a bloom it almost instantly explodes, which means it wont trigger the tri-karma. and at that point you are just constantly applying hydro and no dendro, so you're not triggering reactions, so you wont apply any more dendro.
@@tomatozombie135 I have tried it outside of bloom teams as well though. With electro the tri karma procs stop working even faster due to her Burst and how it works with electro (makes tri karma proc faster, thus you hit the limit faster) Also Zajef confirmed that as well. They removed her ICD but limited the reactions to 9 per tri karma. Might be wrong though. I will need some sourcing to sort this out if claimed otherwise. You could be right, but I will need to confirm it via a reliable source and testing
I've tried to do that with hyperbloom and critting nahidas blooms with C2 but the tri karma purification kills him before successfully critting hyperblooms
Got 2 4PC sets for my Hyperbloom Kuki and Burgeon Thoma. Dendro is THE element to build teams around. Hyperbloom is such a strong and easy to build meta. If you can get a good Hyperbloom team and have a National team, you can clear Floor 12 very easily.
hyperbloom helped me with the new abyss lol, i used nahida, yelan, kuki and kokomi. I didn't know how the new set worked so i just put it on kuki since she activates hyperbloom. Is that ok?
@@kpkazan sorry had to delete my other comment because I was genuinely confused since I actually thought I wrote that comment to the wrong person just now. anyways, I just answered wether or not if its okay to use that artifact set on her and not if its the best for her or if it works. some people tend to judge other people on which ever artifact they use, when it really is the other persons choice. so i actually took that other comment quite literally when it comes to that okay part haha I mean my comment was pretty unneccessary, but sometimes I just tend to comment pretty useless things just to clarify something. the message from that comment was really just: whatever someone says, if that set works on her then it doesn't matter if someone says its okay or not since it still works- but still, "if its okay" in terms of: does it work? which was the question that person was originally asking, then I don't have an answer on that since I don't play hyperbloom or kuki atm
@@Rocco. True. It's either you want more damage from paradise or more healing from gilded on Kuki. Healing is better imo, Kuki does not have high quality healing numbers but the uptime and consistency is nice. Definitely getting Yaoyao to support Kuki in both reaction damage and extra healing.
Nilou Nahida bloom is incredibly strong, but shines in group combat, because Nahida links everyone, and the Nilou Bountiful Cores explode next to each enemy, so the more enemies there are the more damage you do. You can also avoid damage by just spamming bursts and skills for invincibility frames. I honestly gave up on having a dedicated DPS for my Bloom team. I just cycle.
Nahida's tri-karma proc every 2.5s (without burst) when you do any reaction or when a dendro core explosion hits. One dendro aura is used up with 2 hydro applications. If you apply hydro too fast (like with Yelan, Nahida can't keep up if she's off field. Also dendro core doesn't apply dendro. So, let's say a core just explodes and tri-karma proc, giving the enemy a dendro aura. You apply hydro twice causing 2 bloom, producing 2 dendro cores, and then they explode. You have 4 chances for tri-karma to proc. However, If all those happened in less than 2.5s, there won't be another tri-karma.
one of the problems with nilou teams is that its difficult to control who procs the bloom reaction so you end up having to build full em on everyone. with triple hydro, you're applying so much hydro it usually means nahida will proc the bloom, but if the dendro status gets wiped her dps and her dendro application will plummet. thats why i usually prefer hyperbloom because theres enough reactions to constantly proc nahida's seeds and you can build crit on everyone except your electro character who just wants full em and then it just comes down to who can proc enough electro consistently to hyperbloom (ideally) every 2 seeds.
In hyperbloom team, shouldn't the dendro character also must have high em? Because I've read that nahida's tri karma purification dmg is based on her attack and elemental mastery
@@hadmos4848 well you need one deepwood set (would be best on DMC or Nahida, also could work on Kokomi) and one flower of paradise set (would be best on Nahida or Nilou) everything else could be whataver but EM is the main stat
i really hope he tries Kuki hyperbloom!!! im slowly working my way towards it with a 4pc gilded dreams set (i have a 4pc flowers set but just not enough xp mats to level them all) and it's so fun.
I think Hyperbloom is generally a better reaction, yeah it's not aoe but its still homing + doesn't dmg your characters Also the electro/dendro reactionsalmost always keeps dendro applied so you never need to worry about dendro application Nahida + Raiden + any good hydro applicator is the best example
Yea, I run a hyperbloom team of Nahida, Yelan, Kui, and Diona (I know, weird, 2 healers, but C6 Diona gives me 200 more EM) I find it a lot more fun than burgeon cause I don't have to worry about damaging myself. Ive managed to get just over 100k with this team, and it felt amazing. Somehow it also carried me in this abyss. I would use Raiden because she has potential for even more EM than kuki with Dragons bane, but I personally don't want to waste her kit cause I have C2, but if it works, it works!
If you don't have enough dendro and too much hydro, you could just get a second dendro. It would also increase EM by 50, if that matters at all. And then use nilou as the one triggering the blooms.
avoided using this set just cuz i have no clue who it should go on, who tf is triggering the blooms is it nahida's E, is it Nilou's E, is it Kokomi's basics like who is it😭
If you’re using 3 hydros and Nahida, Nahida is the trigger. That’s why in Nilou comps Nahida should be the onfield driver. If you’re running 2 dendro and 2 hydro then that’s a bit harder to tell so running high em on everyone is better. Still, Nahida should be the driver.
nahida's e is never the trigger, it always reapplies dendro after a reaction. nilou should be built full hp for the bloom buffs (she still will steal a few blooms, but thems the works), kokomi should be built full em and onfield. it's best to go only two hydro/two dendro for bloom to make sure nahida's e can reapply dendro fast enough. don't be like moga and use yelan or xingqiu. not only is it harder to see the bloom damage, they apply hydro so fast and nahida's e can't reapply
In case you were wondering: due to the way that Nahida’s elemental application works(1.5u dendro and the fact that her E only procs when you trigger a reaction) she will almost always be the aura.
@@pascalthier1479 in an elemental reaction there is an “aura” and a “trigger.” The aura is the resting element and the trigger is the one that procs the reaction. If you have a pyro aura on an enemy and trigger it with electro, the reaction will scale with your electro unit’s elemental mastery. Was that helpful?
Nahida's Dendro application is always more than enough alone, but she needs to be on-field. Her tri-karma triggers once you trigger a reaction - so when you create a bloom. But after you create a bloom and Nahida applies Dendro, you create another bloom before she can trigger the trip-karma purification and thus you loose your Dendro aura. If you keep Nahida on field, your Kokomi's jellyfish will trigger the bloom reaction and Nahida will apply so much Dendro that even with Yelan's burst you will always have a Dendro aura.
nahida's skill is procced when a reaction occur or when a bloom hits on a cooldown what is happening in your team is that you are proccing all your blooms at once removing dendro and all the cores are exploding at once preventing the skill from being procced over and over again to fix this either go 2 hydro 2 dendro what will provide another source of of field dendro to keep nahida's skill proccing this is the comfier team as you're able to onfield kokomi to tank your blooms+ more healing or you can go 3hydro 1 dendro using nahida onfield using her normal attacks this is her best bloom team but has the problem of killing you faster than you can heal (you use nahida's burst more to give nahida time to heal in this team)
So Nahidas tri karma triggers when u cause an elemental reaction on the enemy while u have it on them(for example when bloom activates it will trigger)but when u attack with so much hydro the tri karma wont trigger anymore bcuz no reactions r happening so in order to activate it use another dendro character like traveler or collei. Thats all 😁
I think it's because the bloom removes the dendro aura. It reapplies when a bloom core explodes but the hydro can overwhelm it. I think this is mostly an issue with single target bosses because it's more difficult to manage the elemental auras, while with a group of enemies you have each of them producing blooms and AoE explosions so that helps reapply the dendro aura.. This ser is suppose to be marginally better than 4pc gilded by 4%. It can be used for Kuki Hyperbloom, Thoma burgeon and bloom triggers like Barbara/Kokomi. Overall unless you have Wanderer I think it's more resin effective to farm the deepwood/gilded
Bloom doesn’t actually apply dendro to the opponent, despite doing dendro DMG. The only elemental reaction to apply an element is swirl. That’s why your blooms can’t proc spread or anything but your electro swirls can aggravate.
Yeah this is why I run dendro traveler with nilou even though I have nahida. Its a little less damage than running xq, but more consistent bloom production with an extra dendro source
This! This video is what I've been waiting for. The domain is really mining spot for Wanderer and Nilou havers such as me. Have both on accident, I've been enjoying Nilou team and still building Wanderer but he is not as bad as what people been saying. I think Cyno is much harder to use although Cyno dish more damage.
Pls tell me I wasnt the only one practically screaming at moga to give back nahida’s weapon when he switched their sets, kokomi keeps floating dreams for the rest of the video and it wouldve helped to put on nahida (I think)
this sets actually better for character that trigger hyperbloom or burgeon since bloom reaction is depends who get it first, sometimes nahida the one that trigger sometimes kokomi that trigger so it's better to give this sets to character that eventually trigger the reaction
In triple hydro Nilou bloom nahida is basically the one who is always triggering the reaction. But in double dendro double hydro bloom ownership is messed up
That’s why it’s best to put it on two of your team members one with deep wood and then Nilou two piece tenacity and whatever artefacts have the best HP
i use that exact team alot, so basicly what u can do is: Nilou EEE, Nahida EQ, Yelan EQE, kokomi E, Nahida E+AA spam. Never run out of dendro appllication that way
8:04 Nahida’s tri Karma doesn’t proc unless you do a dendro related reaction or the dendro seeds/cores do dmg to an enemy So when doing rotations in bloom teams, Nahida is used on field most of the time to constantly apply dendro since tri Karma alone isn’t consistent enough at doing so, it’s just mainly there to apply dendro to other enemies who aren’t close enough and do chips of dmg to them.
if you're using xq or yelan then you can go triple hydro but youd have to normal attack with nahida. If not what happens is the triple hydro overwhelms dendro aura and u dont get reactions that nahida needs to proc her tri karma and you run out of blooms. Triple hydro is good because nahida tends to be the trigger, but you basically get half as many blooms bcs you use dendro trigger.
Deepwood Traveller (EM-Dendro-EM + Sacrificial Sword) - since he/she increases EM from Passive 1. And Dendro Resonance. Paradise Lost Nahida (triple EM + signature weapon) - obviously everything about her. She must be the On-field DPS. Alternative: Gilded Dreams (full EM). Ocean Kokomi (healer set + SacFragment) - as long as she have 400-500 EM from substats that is enough for her to be off-field support and OHC's bubble is increased by constant damage from Bloom. Alternative: Paradise Lost (triple EM) but make sure her HP is still above 30k. 2Tena+2EM Nilou (full HP + signature weapon) - stack as much HP to her. Use the Sakura Tempura as HP buffing. She can also be the On-field one but just make sure her EM from substats is over 400. This set-up could possibly the highest possible consistent bloom damage set-up. Provided you get lucky with Nahida C2 Crit Blooms (with fix 20% Crit Rate 100% Crit Damage)
Technically speaking, if you compare BEST POSSIBLE ROLLS on deep wood versus this set, it’s only a 4% higher damage cap, on average. This one is still pretty good tho, just because of how much more freedom it gives you with the 2 piece bonus giving a flat 80 EM, it can let you focus slightly less on EM rolls and maybe get better atk/crit ratio. Basically, it’s marginally better than deep wood with the biggest advantage being slightly more flexibility with what substats you can make use of.
In my opinion , i have nilou - full hp build with the paradise set nahida in deepwood - full em Water dude/ yelan- FULL EM BECAUSE THEY ARE TRIGERRING MOST OF THE BLOOM. - with er weapon - four pc paradise set and barbra - four pc paradise full healer built . this build should give you more dmg. you do all the hydro stuff and go to nahida and do NA as usual.
ye the problem is hydro application, tri karma triggers when a reaction happens, and if the enemy has hydro and u just hit with hydro nothing is gonna happen, replacing yelan with traveller would work, running him with deepword, kokomi with the bloom set and nahida with the gilded set
I might be wrong, but i think that as long as bloom explosion hits a target aith a tri karma mark, it will trigger the mark which will reapply dendro to it again. But there is a cooldown so applying hydro too fast causes the dendro element to be overwhelmed and no longer make bloom seeds .
Nahidas e activates when any reaction occurs on the marked enemy, so if the bloom dosent hit them and applies dendro again there will be no more reactions
why nahidas E doesnt do anything anymore: Effect: when an elemental reaction is triggered, it deals damage. if you stop using nahidas normal attacks, you wont trigger any reactions bc you hit a wet enemy with hydro and you dont have a third element from anywhere if you really wanna try nahida with paradise lost tho, you could give a 4pc deepwood to kokomi
8:05 nahida is supposed to go onfield with 3 offield hydro to continuously trigger bloom instead of kokomi taking field time, its not like the trikarma wont trigger ...it needs to retrigger with reaction , if there is only hydro applied then the trikarma wont do anyting
i never noticed if you put background music in some of your other videos, but the background music in this one felt especially distracting. i had to actively try to ignore it in the Finishing Team Building section to hear what was being said
11:57 hey there moga I think that the constant application of hydro on masinori is because of kokomi's jellyfish (aka her E) I think it overwrites/overwhelms nahida's dendro application.
I slap my EM set on kokomi but keep attacking with nahida only swapping sometimes and mainly letting the jellyfish trigger the blooms since its almost never nahida who triggers the reaction even main field in my experience.
Double hydro and dendro is easier if you don't want to manage hydro+dendro application, so if you just add dendro traveller it should be pretty ez to spam blooms.
i would like to see you try this set for hyperbloom. Hyperbloom is so easy and is so fun to watch everything die. I would use it on raiden with the new set or kuki. The team I run is Raiden(em off field never burst) Nahida(driver) zhongli and xingqui
For hyperbloom damage than yes, but its only a little bit better than the gilded dreams set for her and the gilded dreams domain is much easier to farm since you need deepwood for your dendro characters
I think if you aren't using Nahida on-field, triple hydro is too much hydro application. It happens with using burning to melt with ganyu as well. Dendro just gets overpowered and stops triggering
I see there is a lot of pro players here so my question is. I got Nahida c2 and Kuki c6 in current banner. I have Alhaitam, Yaoyao c0, Raiden, Yelan, Xingqiu c6 and probably some other characters. What would be the best dendro team i can make here? (Nahida rn have Widsith r4 and I'm farming here that green set (depwood i think, and the brown one for kuki)
I don't have nilou so i don't understand why you only go for hydro and dendro on the team. I was thinking maybe include rosaria or a geo off field dps that can trigger a 3rd elemental reaction that does not interact with dendro since Nahida's seed of skandha triggers when the marked enemy is hit with an elemental reaction but the reaction does not necessarily need to be related to dendro.
Nilou's passive makes normal blooms into super blooms (deals way more dmg and explodes quickly with good AOE). If any characters in the team are not hydro/dendro her passive does not work and it's just normal bloom, which is useless as a reaction. Without Nilou you're better off playing hyperbloom or burgeon.
now wait till we will be able to lvl up oir characters to lv 100 and since dmg gets buffed by 25%(?) from just an upgrade from level 80 to 90 we can expect a maybe even 50% more damage
I have both a Nilou Bloom team and a Hyperbloom team, and I have more fun with the Hyperbloom one. Nahida, Kuki, water dude or Yelan, and Kazuha. Nahida with Deepwood and Kuki with the new EM set.
Sorry that this video was kinda all over the place. I tried my best to make it somewhat organized but the raw footage was a nightmare lol. Hope you enjoyed anyway, thanks for watching :)
I enjoyed it ^^
The reason nahida's E stops working after a while is because it only activates upon a reaction being triggered, after some time if she's solo dendro in the team there will be no reactions, only hydro being splashed in the enemy, thats why on 3hydro nahida is on field, if you want to use kokomi or other hydro on field you cant use 3 hydro, you'll have to have at least another dendro.
It really doesnt matter the order that you do your rotations, the reason why at some point nahida off field was enough is because you didn't activate the nilou boutifull cores, dendrro cores hit also count for nahida's E, so when you dont have nilous cores the delay the normal cores have are enough to re activate her E, but with nilou the cores will almost immediately explode and in a matter of time it will be only hydro, so no matter the rotations, if you want to play 3hydro you have to on field nahida, if you want to on field someone else you should go dendro traveler+nahida
@@kaelferreira4964 Moga TLDR; 2 dendro good for onfield kokomi
Honestly I’ve had a nightmare of a time trying to figure out how best to put my Nilou/Nahida bloom team together, so it made me feel better to see a knowledgeable Genshin creator also struggle with it a bit. It’s a tough team to figure out. Lots of moving parts.
Ty for a New video moga love what you are doing
”I don’t know how much elemental mastery the clouds have“ is such a great line
rain pain
We should ask the Hydro Archon.
this.
@@peterbabicki8252 we just gotta wait a year
Came here to say this xD
Just wanted to say that this new set is really nice for Kokomi or Barbara. C2 Nahida is crazy but you need to keep in mind with how much Hydro application Kokomi does, Nahidas Dendro app cant keep up with it. Thats why I like to also run Dendro Traveler as the last slot with just a decent amount of EM and lots of ER as well just to keep more consistent Dendro with his/her burst. Anyways nice video as always
Nahida would be the one triggering the blooms so nahida would use the set
@@fr3941 isn't nahida coded to apply dendro and not trigger the reaction? it's only if u have too much hydro that u have a hydro aura instead of a dendro aura. 3 hydro and one dendro is a bit too much hydro (esp if one character is yelan)
@@fr3941 no cause kokomis hydro application will overrun nahidas dendro app and she'll start triggering blooms but she won't have the artelifact set
@@fr3941 She or Dendro Traveler will obviously trigger some blooms but if you build your Nahida right and some EM on Dendro MC it doesnt matter much if they trigger the bloom. They will still do solid proccs around 60k crits and 30k non crits + in my experience Also be sure to dont use Nilous Water ring imo
@@wyvern0223 kokomi’s application is slow not fast.
Moga if you are reading this, the reason why nahida’s tri-karma purification isn’t working is because for it to trigger, you have to cause an elemental reaction on the marked enemy or have the enemy be hit by a bloom explosion. I hope answered your question.
Also it only triggers once every 2.5s if you don't have any electro characters on the team.
Bloom damage does not trigger any elemental application. The issue is described by him in the video. Nahida has good dendro application but x3 hydro simply ends up overwhelming the dendro aura and of course without any other reaction trikarma can't refresh to generate more dendro aura. Issue is the Yelan imo.
@@teo2805 would you say that Xingqiu would solve the issue, or would it just be overall better to bring Dendro Traveler for the fourth slot?
@@charliicu the solution would be to use nahida on field imo, the others can apply hydro from off field, so even if hydro overwhelms dendeo, nahida will be able to trigger bloom with her normals, which will trigger trikarma and restore dendro on the opponent
@@charliicu xingqiu is actually worse in this case cz he applies more hydro than yelan. Dmc is decent but yelan is so powerful losing some blooms to her may still be worth it
A few things that might help you out:
1.Nahida's tri karma requires elemental reactions to activate, so if you remove the dendro with hydro before the cooldown of trikarma is over, you'll only have hydro and no reactions, so the tri karma won't proc
2. when nahida is on field, she triggers the least amount of blooms, because there will almost never be a hydro aura to apply the last element to, the dendro aura will overpower everything, so only the hydro is the one causing the blooms. triple hydro makes it more viable, but even, most comes from the hydro units
"I dont know how much elemental mastery the clouds have," Moga never fails to brighten my day
the clouds do
Guys the reason why no dendro is applied at some point is due to a limitation that Hoyo had put on Nahida’s Tri Karma Purification from her E skill. Basically you can do 9 reactions at most with it, or in other words 9 re-applications of dendro. But they forgot to make it so the mark is removed after the skill stops ticking. It lasts 25 seconds, you can tick/make a reaction and apply dendro every 2.5-1.8-ish seconds (elemental burst with an electro teammate) and there is a limit of 9 reactions. When no new reactions occur there is no further dendro application. Basically no dendro after the ninth reaction caused. They should at least fix the mark and make it disappear after it stops working to prevent confusion.
it triggers every time a reaction is triggered on any enemy with the mark, and if no reactions are triggered, there wont be dendro
@@tomatozombie135 Yes, and the reason there are no reactions triggered is because it doesn’t reapply dendro, and that is because tri karma can cause a maximum of 9 reactions per cast, so after it applies dendro on the last reaction it won’t apply again on the next one. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have researched this and it is confirmed.
It's similar in that way to Jun-jin's poles still showing up even though it doesn't do anything anymore I think...
@@martinozmen7894 there isnt a maximum amount of application per cast. rather, its because nothing is triggering the tri-karma. to trigger the tri-karma, you need to trigger a reaction on an enemy, or get hit by a bloom. in this team, after you trigger a bloom it almost instantly explodes, which means it wont trigger the tri-karma. and at that point you are just constantly applying hydro and no dendro, so you're not triggering reactions, so you wont apply any more dendro.
@@tomatozombie135 I have tried it outside of bloom teams as well though. With electro the tri karma procs stop working even faster due to her Burst and how it works with electro (makes tri karma proc faster, thus you hit the limit faster) Also Zajef confirmed that as well. They removed her ICD but limited the reactions to 9 per tri karma. Might be wrong though. I will need some sourcing to sort this out if claimed otherwise. You could be right, but I will need to confirm it via a reliable source and testing
you might be able to get a 100k bloom on the scara weekly boss. he's got -140% resistance after you knock him down in the second phase
Probably very easily I got 96K on perpetual mechanical array when he’s in his resistance down phase
I've tried to do that with hyperbloom and critting nahidas blooms with C2 but the tri karma purification kills him before successfully critting hyperblooms
@@azzacASTRO_ suffering from success
@@fareehashaheen605 😔
@@jo0rd73 what set u use on every character in your hyperbloom team ??
Got 2 4PC sets for my Hyperbloom Kuki and Burgeon Thoma. Dendro is THE element to build teams around.
Hyperbloom is such a strong and easy to build meta. If you can get a good Hyperbloom team and have a National team, you can clear Floor 12 very easily.
hyperbloom helped me with the new abyss lol, i used nahida, yelan, kuki and kokomi. I didn't know how the new set worked so i just put it on kuki since she activates hyperbloom. Is that ok?
yes! the new set is great for hyperbloom kuki :)
@@lozner3763 You can do whatever you want, it's just a game. So theres actually no answer to wether it's okay or not. If it works then why not?
@@sheilaa2828 that's a non answer as some people won't be the one triggering the 4pc
Kuki does trigger the hyper so it does work for her
@@kpkazan sorry had to delete my other comment because I was genuinely confused since I actually thought I wrote that comment to the wrong person just now. anyways, I just answered wether or not if its okay to use that artifact set on her and not if its the best for her or if it works. some people tend to judge other people on which ever artifact they use, when it really is the other persons choice. so i actually took that other comment quite literally when it comes to that okay part haha
I mean my comment was pretty unneccessary, but sometimes I just tend to comment pretty useless things just to clarify something. the message from that comment was really just: whatever someone says, if that set works on her then it doesn't matter if someone says its okay or not since it still works-
but still, "if its okay" in terms of: does it work? which was the question that person was originally asking, then I don't have an answer on that since I don't play hyperbloom or kuki atm
Have been trying to farm this set to put on Raiden for my Hyperbloom team
I never thought I’d see the day I would build Raiden full EM
saaaame 😭
Relatable
I just gave her kazuha's triple em and she is absolutely dominating the abyss, I am not farming another triple em 😭
Kuki seems like a good contender for the artifacts
Em Raiden as well
Thoma
its only about a 4% dmg increase on hyperblooms compared to the gilded dreams set
Gilded still better for Kuki, because more EM = more healing, also good for Overload damage
@@Rocco. True. It's either you want more damage from paradise or more healing from gilded on Kuki. Healing is better imo, Kuki does not have high quality healing numbers but the uptime and consistency is nice. Definitely getting Yaoyao to support Kuki in both reaction damage and extra healing.
Nilou Nahida bloom is incredibly strong, but shines in group combat, because Nahida links everyone, and the Nilou Bountiful Cores explode next to each enemy, so the more enemies there are the more damage you do.
You can also avoid damage by just spamming bursts and skills for invincibility frames.
I honestly gave up on having a dedicated DPS for my Bloom team. I just cycle.
Nahida's tri-karma proc every 2.5s (without burst) when you do any reaction or when a dendro core explosion hits. One dendro aura is used up with 2 hydro applications. If you apply hydro too fast (like with Yelan, Nahida can't keep up if she's off field. Also dendro core doesn't apply dendro.
So, let's say a core just explodes and tri-karma proc, giving the enemy a dendro aura. You apply hydro twice causing 2 bloom, producing 2 dendro cores, and then they explode. You have 4 chances for tri-karma to proc. However, If all those happened in less than 2.5s, there won't be another tri-karma.
one of the problems with nilou teams is that its difficult to control who procs the bloom reaction so you end up having to build full em on everyone. with triple hydro, you're applying so much hydro it usually means nahida will proc the bloom, but if the dendro status gets wiped her dps and her dendro application will plummet. thats why i usually prefer hyperbloom because theres enough reactions to constantly proc nahida's seeds and you can build crit on everyone except your electro character who just wants full em and then it just comes down to who can proc enough electro consistently to hyperbloom (ideally) every 2 seeds.
In hyperbloom team, shouldn't the dendro character also must have high em? Because I've read that nahida's tri karma purification dmg is based on her attack and elemental mastery
Use Dendro MC, Nahida, Nilou and Kokomi as the driver, it's the best way to do superbloom.
it is more consistent but you can't actually calculate who will proc the bloom reaction, so every character in this team need a bunch of EM
@@x_Psyduck_x you kinda can by who drives if you drive with kokomi nahida and dmc will proc if with nahida kokomi and nilou will proc
@@x_Psyduck_x If you have a scary good Nahida, her burst should take care of that.
What would be the artificat set for each character here?
@@hadmos4848 well you need one deepwood set (would be best on DMC or Nahida, also could work on Kokomi) and one flower of paradise set (would be best on Nahida or Nilou) everything else could be whataver but EM is the main stat
i really hope he tries Kuki hyperbloom!!! im slowly working my way towards it with a 4pc gilded dreams set (i have a 4pc flowers set but just not enough xp mats to level them all) and it's so fun.
I think Hyperbloom is generally a better reaction, yeah it's not aoe but its still homing + doesn't dmg your characters
Also the electro/dendro reactionsalmost always keeps dendro applied so you never need to worry about dendro application
Nahida + Raiden + any good hydro applicator is the best example
Hyperbloom is better in single target. Bloom is better in AOE (Nilou Bloom)
Yea, I run a hyperbloom team of Nahida, Yelan, Kui, and Diona (I know, weird, 2 healers, but C6 Diona gives me 200 more EM)
I find it a lot more fun than burgeon cause I don't have to worry about damaging myself.
Ive managed to get just over 100k with this team, and it felt amazing. Somehow it also carried me in this abyss.
I would use Raiden because she has potential for even more EM than kuki with Dragons bane, but I personally don't want to waste her kit cause I have C2, but if it works, it works!
Both are great, hyperbloom trades aoe for survivability while nilou bloom requires healer but gives the dps in quite a huge aoe.
11:04 - Seconds before disaster.
That was a perfect cut.
"Idk how much EM the clouds have" PLS 💀
I don't know how much elemental mastery clouds have. - Moga 2022
Not a bloom user. But I think it could be kokomi's E skill.
You could maybe try 2 dendro and 2 hydro to balance the application
If you don't have enough dendro and too much hydro, you could just get a second dendro. It would also increase EM by 50, if that matters at all. And then use nilou as the one triggering the blooms.
avoided using this set just cuz i have no clue who it should go on, who tf is triggering the blooms is it nahida's E, is it Nilou's E, is it Kokomi's basics like who is it😭
If you’re using 3 hydros and Nahida, Nahida is the trigger. That’s why in Nilou comps Nahida should be the onfield driver. If you’re running 2 dendro and 2 hydro then that’s a bit harder to tell so running high em on everyone is better. Still, Nahida should be the driver.
nahida's e is never the trigger, it always reapplies dendro after a reaction. nilou should be built full hp for the bloom buffs (she still will steal a few blooms, but thems the works), kokomi should be built full em and onfield. it's best to go only two hydro/two dendro for bloom to make sure nahida's e can reapply dendro fast enough. don't be like moga and use yelan or xingqiu. not only is it harder to see the bloom damage, they apply hydro so fast and nahida's e can't reapply
11:03 nahida getting absolutely obliterated 💀
In case you were wondering: due to the way that Nahida’s elemental application works(1.5u dendro and the fact that her E only procs when you trigger a reaction) she will almost always be the aura.
What does it mean to "be the aura"? is that the person procing the actual reaction?
@@pascalthier1479 in an elemental reaction there is an “aura” and a “trigger.” The aura is the resting element and the trigger is the one that procs the reaction. If you have a pyro aura on an enemy and trigger it with electro, the reaction will scale with your electro unit’s elemental mastery. Was that helpful?
@@thebooknerd5223 ah thank you very much yes that did help
“Yeah I’m pretty sure the potion isn’t doing anything”
*Nahida fucking explodes*
Moga with the Lofi bgm... Now thats what I'm talking
Nahida's Dendro application is always more than enough alone, but she needs to be on-field. Her tri-karma triggers once you trigger a reaction - so when you create a bloom. But after you create a bloom and Nahida applies Dendro, you create another bloom before she can trigger the trip-karma purification and thus you loose your Dendro aura. If you keep Nahida on field, your Kokomi's jellyfish will trigger the bloom reaction and Nahida will apply so much Dendro that even with Yelan's burst you will always have a Dendro aura.
I find things are much more consistent with double dendro. I personally prefer using Collei with Elegy and Instructors.
I love my collei with elegy c4 . I thought I was the only one. I use noblesse on her though but I might switch.
Ooh I have Elegy R2 but never thought to use it on Collei. I will try this out
nahida's skill is procced when a reaction occur or when a bloom hits on a cooldown
what is happening in your team is that you are proccing all your blooms at once removing dendro and all the cores are exploding at once preventing the skill from being procced over and over again
to fix this
either go 2 hydro 2 dendro what will provide another source of of field dendro to keep nahida's skill proccing
this is the comfier team as you're able to onfield kokomi to tank your blooms+ more healing
or you can go 3hydro 1 dendro using nahida onfield using her normal attacks
this is her best bloom team but has the problem of killing you faster than you can heal (you use nahida's burst more to give nahida time to heal in this team)
So Nahidas tri karma triggers when u cause an elemental reaction on the enemy while u have it on them(for example when bloom activates it will trigger)but when u attack with so much hydro the tri karma wont trigger anymore bcuz no reactions r happening so in order to activate it use another dendro character like traveler or collei. Thats all 😁
I was under the impression that EM scaling majorly falls off after 1k EM, so that could explain why the stats don't seem to be adding up.
I think it's because the bloom removes the dendro aura. It reapplies when a bloom core explodes but the hydro can overwhelm it. I think this is mostly an issue with single target bosses because it's more difficult to manage the elemental auras, while with a group of enemies you have each of them producing blooms and AoE explosions so that helps reapply the dendro aura..
This ser is suppose to be marginally better than 4pc gilded by 4%. It can be used for Kuki Hyperbloom, Thoma burgeon and bloom triggers like Barbara/Kokomi. Overall unless you have Wanderer I think it's more resin effective to farm the deepwood/gilded
Bloom doesn’t actually apply dendro to the opponent, despite doing dendro DMG. The only elemental reaction to apply an element is swirl. That’s why your blooms can’t proc spread or anything but your electro swirls can aggravate.
Seems like Baizhu and Kaveh will be really good in bloom comps, so that's something to keep in mind
"I don't know how much elemental mastery the clouds have" Lmao this is why I'm subbed.
This new set is good on burgeon Thoma. Try nahida, Thoma, xingqui, Fischl (flex spots for last 2, but it can be really strong. Try it out, it’s fun!
Yeah this is why I run dendro traveler with nilou even though I have nahida. Its a little less damage than running xq, but more consistent bloom production with an extra dendro source
Literally dropped as soon as I started eating
Thanks for the eating video
i wish i was having breakfast rn
This! This video is what I've been waiting for. The domain is really mining spot for Wanderer and Nilou havers such as me. Have both on accident, I've been enjoying Nilou team and still building Wanderer but he is not as bad as what people been saying. I think Cyno is much harder to use although Cyno dish more damage.
Exactly! Can’t seem to fit my cyno in a good overall team comp, despite him doing more damage than most of my characters.
11:03 that cut is pretty funny though ngl.
Pls tell me I wasnt the only one practically screaming at moga to give back nahida’s weapon when he switched their sets, kokomi keeps floating dreams for the rest of the video and it wouldve helped to put on nahida (I think)
this sets actually better for character that trigger hyperbloom or burgeon since bloom reaction is depends who get it first, sometimes nahida the one that trigger sometimes kokomi that trigger so it's better to give this sets to character that eventually trigger the reaction
In triple hydro Nilou bloom nahida is basically the one who is always triggering the reaction. But in double dendro double hydro bloom ownership is messed up
That’s why it’s best to put it on two of your team members one with deep wood and then Nilou two piece tenacity and whatever artefacts have the best HP
the clouds have em now, thats nice
i use that exact team alot, so basicly what u can do is: Nilou EEE, Nahida EQ, Yelan EQE, kokomi E, Nahida E+AA spam. Never run out of dendro appllication that way
8:04
Nahida’s tri Karma doesn’t proc unless you do a dendro related reaction or the dendro seeds/cores do dmg to an enemy
So when doing rotations in bloom teams, Nahida is used on field most of the time to constantly apply dendro since tri Karma alone isn’t consistent enough at doing so, it’s just mainly there to apply dendro to other enemies who aren’t close enough and do chips of dmg to them.
if you're using xq or yelan then you can go triple hydro but youd have to normal attack with nahida. If not what happens is the triple hydro overwhelms dendro aura and u dont get reactions that nahida needs to proc her tri karma and you run out of blooms. Triple hydro is good because nahida tends to be the trigger, but you basically get half as many blooms bcs you use dendro trigger.
Deepwood Traveller (EM-Dendro-EM + Sacrificial Sword) - since he/she increases EM from Passive 1. And Dendro Resonance.
Paradise Lost Nahida (triple EM + signature weapon) - obviously everything about her. She must be the On-field DPS. Alternative: Gilded Dreams (full EM).
Ocean Kokomi (healer set + SacFragment) - as long as she have 400-500 EM from substats that is enough for her to be off-field support and OHC's bubble is increased by constant damage from Bloom. Alternative: Paradise Lost (triple EM) but make sure her HP is still above 30k.
2Tena+2EM Nilou (full HP + signature weapon) - stack as much HP to her. Use the Sakura Tempura as HP buffing. She can also be the On-field one but just make sure her EM from substats is over 400.
This set-up could possibly the highest possible consistent bloom damage set-up. Provided you get lucky with Nahida C2 Crit Blooms (with fix 20% Crit Rate 100% Crit Damage)
When a random bloom makes more dmg than your Raiden burst
I honestly love watching this guy, he’s so chill
"I don’t know how much Elemental Mastery the clouds have so I hope that won’t be an issue"
Never thought I’d hear that
Technically speaking, if you compare BEST POSSIBLE ROLLS on deep wood versus this set, it’s only a 4% higher damage cap, on average. This one is still pretty good tho, just because of how much more freedom it gives you with the 2 piece bonus giving a flat 80 EM, it can let you focus slightly less on EM rolls and maybe get better atk/crit ratio.
Basically, it’s marginally better than deep wood with the biggest advantage being slightly more flexibility with what substats you can make use of.
11:04 the cutoff was so funny omg
I hate farming the new artifact set
We all do 😔
Fr those stupid hydro mushrooms are my worst enemies 😭
I think what you would want is Nahida + another dendro character both for dendro res and more dendro application for more blooms
In my opinion , i have nilou - full hp build with the paradise set
nahida in deepwood - full em
Water dude/ yelan- FULL EM BECAUSE THEY ARE TRIGERRING MOST OF THE BLOOM. - with er weapon - four pc paradise set
and barbra - four pc paradise full healer built .
this build should give you more dmg.
you do all the hydro stuff and go to nahida and do NA as usual.
ye the problem is hydro application, tri karma triggers when a reaction happens, and if the enemy has hydro and u just hit with hydro nothing is gonna happen, replacing yelan with traveller would work, running him with deepword, kokomi with the bloom set and nahida with the gilded set
I might be wrong, but i think that as long as bloom explosion hits a target aith a tri karma mark, it will trigger the mark which will reapply dendro to it again. But there is a cooldown so applying hydro too fast causes the dendro element to be overwhelmed and no longer make bloom seeds .
Kokomi has slow hydro app anyway so it is okay
Nahidas e activates when any reaction occurs on the marked enemy, so if the bloom dosent hit them and applies dendro again there will be no more reactions
I can't the way you cut the screen to the nahida screen when she gets shot and dies
this seems like a good new set for a hyperbloom raiden setup
why nahidas E doesnt do anything anymore: Effect: when an elemental reaction is triggered, it deals damage. if you stop using nahidas normal attacks, you wont trigger any reactions bc you hit a wet enemy with hydro and you dont have a third element from anywhere
if you really wanna try nahida with paradise lost tho, you could give a 4pc deepwood to kokomi
The cloud elemental mastery joke made me laugh :)
nahida getting nuked by the robots then the way way it cuts 😭.
8:05 nahida is supposed to go onfield with 3 offield hydro to continuously trigger bloom instead of kokomi taking field time, its not like the trikarma wont trigger ...it needs to retrigger with reaction , if there is only hydro applied then the trikarma wont do anyting
Wondered how the new artifacts set will work with EM Raiden? 🤔
since you have triple hydro team, you're applying so much hydro in a way that Nahida is the one triggering the Blooms
i never noticed if you put background music in some of your other videos, but the background music in this one felt especially distracting. i had to actively try to ignore it in the Finishing Team Building section to hear what was being said
9:14 😂😂
11:02 🤣🤣
This video Just made me laugh too much
11:03 "the potion isnt doing any...*nahida dies*"
11:57 hey there moga I think that the constant application of hydro on masinori is because of kokomi's jellyfish (aka her E) I think it overwrites/overwhelms nahida's dendro application.
I slap my EM set on kokomi but keep attacking with nahida only swapping sometimes and mainly letting the jellyfish trigger the blooms since its almost never nahida who triggers the reaction even main field in my experience.
Cool now do it with Hyperbloom
Moga you should try explosion team
Yomiya
Nahida
Yelan/xingqiu
Zhongli
As for Nilou, despite how niche she is I will say I love how easy she is to build since the one thing she cares about is HP
Double hydro and dendro is easier if you don't want to manage hydro+dendro application, so if you just add dendro traveller it should be pretty ez to spam blooms.
Moga Scaramouches boss has -140% res decrease in his downed state, you should try testing on him
« mMoOnAaA.. 🤔🧐 mOoOna might be the key »
i would like to see you try this set for hyperbloom. Hyperbloom is so easy and is so fun to watch everything die. I would use it on raiden with the new set or kuki. The team I run is Raiden(em off field never burst) Nahida(driver) zhongli and xingqui
One time I saw a 700k bloom and honestly I don’t know how🤷
Mihoyo seems hellbent on making Dendro reactions the most OP in the game...
cause this is getting to some absurd levels
Is the set better than 4p tenacity cookie?
Also at 11:00 💀
For hyperbloom damage than yes, but its only a little bit better than the gilded dreams set for her and the gilded dreams domain is much easier to farm since you need deepwood for your dendro characters
@@omarbirkdar5536 oh ok, thanks!
I think this was the first time I've heard someone talk about the elemental mastery of the clouds. Can we get a theorycrafter on that?
9:14 remember to ask hydro archon in 4.0
an electro or hu tao/fire to enhance the bloom dmg and make sure they hit the target also works better than water x3
I like the background music in this video btw
kuki hyperbloom is more insane than ever
I think if you aren't using Nahida on-field, triple hydro is too much hydro application. It happens with using burning to melt with ganyu as well. Dendro just gets overpowered and stops triggering
Give the Bloom artifacts on Nahida if you go with 3Hydro team, and give Deepwood artifacts to one of the Hydro 👍
I see there is a lot of pro players here so my question is. I got Nahida c2 and Kuki c6 in current banner. I have Alhaitam, Yaoyao c0, Raiden, Yelan, Xingqiu c6 and probably some other characters. What would be the best dendro team i can make here? (Nahida rn have Widsith r4 and I'm farming here that green set (depwood i think, and the brown one for kuki)
11:04 NOOO
wait? so bloom can crit with nahida but tri karma can't trigger with it? isn't that crit from nahida tri-karma when bloom explode?
I don't have nilou so i don't understand why you only go for hydro and dendro on the team.
I was thinking maybe include rosaria or a geo off field dps that can trigger a 3rd elemental reaction that does not interact with dendro since Nahida's seed of skandha triggers when the marked enemy is hit with an elemental reaction but the reaction does not necessarily need to be related to dendro.
because you can only use these two elements for nilou team
Nilou's passive makes normal blooms into super blooms (deals way more dmg and explodes quickly with good AOE). If any characters in the team are not hydro/dendro her passive does not work and it's just normal bloom, which is useless as a reaction. Without Nilou you're better off playing hyperbloom or burgeon.
now wait till we will be able to lvl up oir characters to lv 100 and since dmg gets buffed by 25%(?) from just an upgrade from level 80 to 90 we can expect a maybe even 50% more damage
Do only hydro characters need EM? I gave my kokomi 1000 EM but my blooms hit for like a few thousand only. Can somebody help?
I have both a Nilou Bloom team and a Hyperbloom team, and I have more fun with the Hyperbloom one. Nahida, Kuki, water dude or Yelan, and Kazuha. Nahida with Deepwood and Kuki with the new EM set.
Moga are you rolling for C6 itto?from what i remeber you need 2-1 copies more
11:03 Perfect cut
Instead of yelan u could try EM kuki shinobu !!
Also if u want a big number, try scara weekly, i think he has a -140% res
if u use double dendro you should be able to keep up with the dendro. yelan is good but u also get an em boost with dendro resonance