I wish kcorp players would have been more considerate of my feelings before subjecting me to two splits of some of the worst gemeplay i have ever watched
He certainly wasn't complaining when the entire LEC was glazing him non-stop as the best european ADC despite accomplishing literally nothing his entire career. After a bunch of last place finishes he gets criticism. After a single win he starts feeling himself and decides to start some drama. What an absolute clown.
Not to mention during his drama vs Adam. He complained about Adam weaponizing the KC fans against him and suffered first hand that retaliation. And now he does the very same thing to Vedius ? You know it exists, you know its possible, you know this fanbase will do it, and you know how it felt being on the receiving end, yet you would do the same thing on another person ? That's just low.
I'll play devil's advocate a bit, but as Caedrel pointed out, facts don't represent everything and, honestly, I can understand how he got progressively pissed off towards social media and narratives after the drama with Adam on Fnatic. He was glazed at a moment when we didn't see how important Upset's mental is for him to perform and he looks more inconsistent than the average player alright. However, I genuinely believe he also got cucked multiple times since Fnatic and he's been on poorly managed teams repeatedly (and I'm pretty sure we've all experienced situations where we basically have to do all the heavy lifting for bad teams in soloQ and it still isn't enough). I also understand he's getting paid to do that as a living and, as much of a privilege as it is, imagine someone at Riot looks at your account every season and tells you (as an example) : "mhmh you never got past plat 3 and you had 5 consecutives seasons with 15+ games losing streak, you had afks true but lol yeah 🤭" (which is in isolation, but Upset also mentioned that one clip is part of a bigger trend, so I do believe he isn't targeting Vedi or anything). Lastly, from a viewer pov, Vedius could definitely have been quicker on bringing up context and Medic really was too busy laughing to leave some space for Vedius to nuance the facts he stated. (Devil's advocate over, I personally think Upset is a sensitive boy too that shouldn't take his bad records too personally, but I'm trying my best to understand where he's coming from)
I hate how normalized it has become to air grievances on twitter. What ever happened to confronting people in a respectful AND direct/private manner? At least use DM or something, but no, would rather just complain by sending a tweet out into the void, consequences be damned.
Upset airing grievances on twitter is super ironic in this situation too. The complaint is, "the casters were too mean calling me out on broadcast" then turns around and drags Vedi thru the mud on twitter. I don't expect much social awareness from league players but goddamn you just did the thing you called out but worse....
@@tommytommy7535 English football media is disgusting and not something to be seen as a positive. Everyone in football hates the English football media, managers, players and a hell of a lot of fans. It drives players AWAY from the Premier League, and accepting casters driving a negative and hurtful narrative onto players is only going to have the same effect on the LEC
@@PatBat3man I don't agree with upsets take here but god damn if what you just said in combination with your username and pic wasn't the most cringe, chronically online shit ever. I am physically cringing, make it stop
upset is still a last team player, is not negative narratives until kc goes up in standing, kc fans doing kc fans thins is not helping either the player or the casters
I think he's frustrated with how his career turned out because he was at one point considered in convos to be the best ADC in Europe, but had multiple unfortunate circumstances with his personal life and FNC being a very badly ran org that kind of sidetracked him into the current situation.
@@PayAttEx FNC is a badly run org but you can't blame them for Upset's current situation. He had his best years on FNC. They just weren't good enough to win anything. Remove his years away from FNC all you're left with is a couple of 5-6 finishes and 4 10th place finishes.
@@Frostile You don’t go from being the undisputed best org in Europe to 0 titles in 5 years without issues. They aren’t the worst run org in the league. But they aren’t good org either. No org that promotes Rhuckz to main roster deserves to be called a “ good org”.
I still remember when KC fans booed Faker at the Red Bull tournament after Worlds when T1 had little to no rest but came to the event and instead got booed by 1 set of fans only. Everyone else was respectful. It shows the mentality of the org, players and fanbase. They can dish out but can't take it. Worst thing to happen to LEC
@Malo-pg2tmthat don’t make it okay first of all. Your booing someone your entire organization can never get the same trophy as faker and without him they might have not gotten a job at all. Just cause you apologizes doesn’t mean everything is okay, that like saying if you murder someone, and say am sorry it okay
@Malo-pg2tm doing trick on it. Wonder how kc fan and organization feel if they get on stage and they get boo, wonder how you fan would act, cause what I seen of your fan base, it wouldn’t go well
This will not end well. Casters need freedom. Imagine casting a sport essentially and you can't say anything and about a player . This is going to be stupid and it starts of like this
Yeah and what do you think will happen to the pro-scene if casters are suddenly allowed to start slandering and driving hate towards players? Do you think anyone will still want to play in the league after that? It's just going to create MORE toxicity in what is already the most toxic game on earth.
@@displeaseddog8722 idk bro I dint think no caster is blatantly allowed to hate a player. And vedius wasn't, he just stated a fact, and upset got into a hissyfit. Do you think steph curry going back and forth with a caster on twitter cuz of some he said? Nah he just goes out and scores 50 and wins a championship and shuts all of his haters up. That is way more respectable and commendable than whatever the f upset is doing. I can assure you that championship nba is way more toxic to play in than league btw.
@@SmokayG I mostly agree, but I'd just like to play devil's advocate a little and say that for league at least it seems that fan perceptions/ general opinions on a player carry a bit more weight than in traditional sports since it's a newer league and still finding its footing. What I mean is that the narratives people make about players can impact their chances of getting hired because the people in charge of those decisions aren't always very good at the game and can't tell the difference between memes on the internet and actual truth.
@@Arkanna96 I agree with you on that, although I still think their performance holds more weight when it comes to that with some luck being involved. And good GMs can spot that out, so yeah, they should just worry about what they can control, and not waste time and energy on stuff outside of rift. That's my opinion om this situation.
i understand why upset is upset, but does he not understand its the castor/producer's jobs to build narratives/storylines to get people to emotionally invest in the league to make them keep coming back? especially because league viewership is stagnating compared to before so they need to start clickbaiting, pro players have a job because there are fans watching, so attracting fans at the expense of the players emotions is not even a question, i am sorry but this is reality
it's more about promoting flaming tweet than casters issue for Upset i would say, which i do agree, if at least they were funny tweet but they are mostly just flame 1st degree
In theory this makes sense. But anyone who cares about the competitive integrity of the game(people who actually understand high elo gameplay), hates the narratives they make. The casters are boring and annoying to watch, not tryna watch some hard stuck gold players try to cast high level games. (If a riot employee is diamond+ they bought their account.) If they wanna bring viewership in, leave the narratives to the ex pros who actually know what they're talking about. Bring expros in to cast instead, and you'd see a healthy change. Then again, if anyone in the balance team or champion development team was even above gold. The state of the game itself would be better, thus more enjoyable to play and watch. But you can't expect someone to patch things got high elo/pro play when they play at a silver level and nerf things because they got shit on in game and *think* it's op. It's not overpowered, they're just shit at their game.
I get KC gets viewership and it helps the league but fuck do I not want to interact with the community anymore. These wannabe gangster ultra fans are the creengiest thing to ever exist and almost NOBODY is calling them out on it. KC should be getting so much more shit for fostering a fanbase that toxic.
Dude after worlds when T1 went to the red bull tournament with almost no rest,, they were even booing Faker. That was the first time in a long while even Faker was shocked at the reception he got KC fans are like a virus. Just a plague on earth which causes problems for others
Nobody stands up to then because kc fans usually target harass, threat, dox and possibly swat people who have a piece of their mind about kc and their fans. Casters oftenly avoid pissing kc because they don't wanna deal with it in their personal life, which is pathetic and sad by KC fans to go such lengths, everyone is praying for KC to get knocked out.
@@dranzerkai6051 Sorry but categorizing people as "virus" and "plague on Earth" is a discourse which is often used by a certain type of people with some strong beliefs. You are really sure you want to go in this direction ?
@@displeaseddog8722 ironic since caedrel literally commented about how some people don't even watch past the first 12 seconds of the clip and realise that vedius is explaining why he thinks upset deserved better placements, and you're over here doing exactly that.
@@displeaseddog8722 did you even watch the full clip or VOD that upset’s yapping about? or did you just see a pro whining and jump to their defense 😭 If upsets so frustrated with someone doing their job he should be frustrated with targamas’s support play 💀
@@displeaseddog8722 Yes. It is. Your job as a pro player is to entertain and perform. If you aren't doing the latter, you're gonna do the former by being the butt end of the stick. Welcome to the public eye. If you don't like it, quit. You're getting paid a lot of money, this is part of it.
If targamas doesnt wanna get flamed 10x on broadcast, he should just not look like an emerald support player who got a job through nepotism. It's literally that, he sucks, gets flamed, gets mad instead of getting better. If he's going to be a non traditional support with 0 call outs or communication there better be results, and the only results we have are extremely disappointing ones
@@displeaseddog8722 looks like someone is very UPSET. Targamas is being one of the worst supports in the league for a whole ass year now. Stop deluding yourself with silly conspiracies, they literally replaced their coaching staff instead of addressing the actual problem.
@@displeaseddog8722 If Targamas would be a Burger Flipper whod give 0 shit and deliver a bad product and people would catch it on camera everybody would be like: AH FUCK THAT GUY HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED but when it comes to pro league youre not allowed to say this guy shouldnt do that job?
There is an easy way to have the casters don't state facts like that, play better lmao, if you finish 10th 3 times in a row, you are playing like trash for a fucking year
Exactly. Upset is more concerned about a caster stating a fact that any scouter would surely be aware of. He needs to grow up. You're an entertainer, and that comes with praise/glory and criticism/humbling.
Targamas performance was report worthy that game. Upset should spend less time being a snowflake and more time practicing unless he wants another 10th place
Upset needs to grow up. If you are on a bad team, get a thicker skin. Grow up and get some resiliency. *edit* His performance is fine, he just doesn’t seem to understand that he is a public figure who is putting on a show in a competitive setting that is going to be critiqued. This is why you need good staff, good and honest friends, and a psychologist.
Stupid comment. Because a professional player plays on a worse team than others they DESERVE the hatred they get from random silvers on social media? They should just accept it and move on? What an inconsiderate take
@@displeaseddog8722 professional public figures who don’t perform get criticized. I’m not attacking Upset’s performance. His reaction is just one that signals a weak mindset. He’s laning with Targamas so I feel bad for him but if he can’t handle public opinions then he should avoid social media and noise that he can’t handle or someone should monitor him to help him. Thats what professional public figures in other sports / entertainment industries do and it would serve him well. Someone casting and stating a fact is the least of his problems.
It doesn't matter how well you perform you're as good as your weakest player. If he can't get targamas to play better that's still on him too if you can't help your lane partner and teammate. Stop worrying about his fucking feelings and show you give a shit about his play.
I was excited until I saw what their fans are like. Just the most obnoxious people possible. I think that Mad Lions' fans this year have really hit the mark though, they bring a lot of energy to the arena without being toxic.
@@baygeebob7536 nah men, t1 is just because they are the most popular team so bigger fan base more garbage fans, but kc fanbase is not that big probably the same size as mad koi and I don't see these toxic things from Koi fans
Theres a video that deep dives a bit into the T1 ddos situation. Its called The War on T1. The gist of it is the Korean server design is just more vulnerable online.
League players would mental boom in traditional sports. Any other sport has broadcast talent that warps reality for drama and hype. League pros should be grateful how much the broadcast pulls their punches. Upset needs to have a reality check imho
The only thing wrong about the clip is.... Drakos fked it up just to throw another "narrative" by interrupting Vedius. Vedius did nothing wrong, he said the fact, and instantly was going to defend Upset..... the fk up there is Drakos and his interruption just to get some drama. In fact, Drakos calls out Vedius in this clip.
The worst part is the apology... you say no one will side with vedius, but I cant think of a person that wouldn't. Outside of the ridiculousness of it all, think of whats widely considered the best cast of all time: it ends with "get yo ass wooped". We wouldn't have some amazing casts like this without much hotter flame than vedius has ever even considered dishing out.
to me its INSANE Vedius apologized... An apology for what? For literally stating facts? I would understand if he made a statement like "Oooh Upset is so bad, Upset just cant compete, Upset needs to be cut"... OK, that'd be overstepping it a bit. But as a commentator, his job is literally to commentate and judge the players' performance.
Software developer here: Likely riot in korea has ID/SSN linked to IP because every player has only 1 ID and should rarely change IP so it is an easy way for riot to find out if a player is boosting or selling accounts etc.... Riot should just stop taking down this data then it would mean stopping boosting, account sharing and the likes will become just as difficult as with other regions It could also be due to some legal issues essentially if someone steals your account it would be a form of theft and identity theft in korea because it is directly linked to your unique korean citizen ID. A huge can of worms but most likely what riot could do is obfuscate the IP and SSN data via a one way data encryption where they hold the key that auto changes each day and only their auto ban system has access to the data key for decryption. If the main riot systems have good documentation (likely for a huge company) it should take a week at most to implement.
100% sure it's not just "week at most to implement" - Not everyone shares the same gov't structure as KR has - Not everyone shares the rules and regulations KR esports has - Not everyone has KeSPA that regulates various games and esports on a regular basis. - a proper citizen identification is a must for this to work and western people don't like it because data privacy. - restriction on smurfing/boosting and selling accounts will garner alot of negative criticism around it. as much as everybody hates it, some do rely on it as a source of income. to implement this, let KR dominate the whole world, KeSPA be the general regulator for esports and such. you cannot play this "insert any game that is MMO or needs internet" without registering your citizen identification number or anything that is equal to that. there will be no opposition if everyone's on the same team.
It would be extremely easy for riot to detect account sharing/buying if they cared (at least 99% of the cases). It's not a big topic for them, that's why nothing was ever done to tackle the issue
Insane if u think that despite winning absolutely nothing throughout his career and coming10th place back to back to back yall delusional PIIIIMMPS still bark upSHIT is the best adc🤡
g2 can carry many mediocre or bad players. currently is hans sama. i dont thinks he's bad dont get me wrong but in any other team he would be far from winning trophies
Meanwhile casters and whole desk squad shitting on Jankos since he joined G2 to the point where he become a meme. Jankos managed to turn it around in his favour. Not all players are like Jankos but to get mad about something like this? A bit of a stretch in my opinion 🤷🏼
Jankos did take it like a champ, but he also admitted that all the jokes had a bit of a bad impact on his career too since people actually started believing he was bad at carry champs or not as good mechanically anymore. So I can sort of see where the tweet is coming from a little bit. I know Vedious didn't mean it that way and had a different point in mind, but so many people bring up shitty stats with no context to make someone look much worse than they actually are.
@@Arkanna96Jankos was taking it like a champ for a long time before he politely mentioned it. Upset got mad about bringing up w statistic and called out caster which cause more harm than what has been told originally. It’s not the first time there is drama that involves Upset, it speak for itself imo
I think some casters can be overly critical (or overly bias), and upset is right that unfair narratives can ruin a players career - which is their livelihood. However that didnt happen in the vedius clip, he wasnt being critical, if anything it was more positive than what upset deserved.
Feels like everyone is missing the point. He’s more defending his team and standing up for his team, org, and fans rather than a simple “callout” of media.
@@displeaseddog8722 so when people do badly and make poor decisions in their professional job they shouldn’t experience any repercussions? If I do poorly, blow up a deal at my work, I have consequences. They are public figures who are professionals in their field.
@@displeaseddog8722maybe if he got what he deserved which is being fired for being terrible at his job, this wouldn't have happened. Blame the KC Management
@@displeaseddog8722Except he's not just a player, and it's not just a video game. He's a PROFESSIONAL who's doing bad at his JOB. And he's been doing badly for a long while now without getting any significant repercussions.
@@Tlcampbelljr1 The negative repercussion is losing, not random dipshits on twitter feeling the need to take it into their own hands lol. If your boss came into your office, slapped you across the face, and called you a dogshit employee that doesn't belong in your company, that would be pretty unacceptable I would hope. Esports fans and sports fans are both fucking awful with their ridiculous behaviors towards players.
Upset trying for that "beef with every single organism in the LEC speedrun any%" challenge. First Adam, now Vedius, and he still won't shut up and do his job.
Looks to me that Vedius said something, realized it came out wrong but was stopped before he could backtrack it. He def could have worded it way better but he wasnt wrong. the tweets though are kinda messed up
The ussue with showibf the flame tweets on the broadcast is that that will encourage everyone else to tweet trashtalk so tbeir tweet can be seen. This isnt that surprising though because they are trying to lean into the trash talk more
*Preface with I don't care just making a point* so every time a caster says anything negative about NA are we gonna complain now? They are reporters, reporting on the game.. you want a good review, play better. Look at traditional sports, they get praise and flame every game, because when you are in the public eye,, it's gonna happen. Vedius did absolutely nothing wrong here, want praise and a better review or to look good for future teams, offers etc, earn it, and keep earning it
Fun fact about Upset's tweet: He wrote that he was a "less passive and more handsome" version of Rekkles, when he and Fnatic were in a bad moment in 2017, it's funny how he now cries about being made fun of his "narrative"
In CS caster call to outright replace people even on winning teams, as a pro you just have to be able to take it. Yeah it sucks but if you do not perform you just have to take it.
yeah I mean aren't casters much more vulnerable to fan reactions than players? players at least have their actual performance to fall back on, but getting fans to stay tuned in is the whole job for casters
Listen to british football casters one game and u will see why this is irrelevant. Play good, get props. Play bad, get called out. This is how to game works, if you dont like it, too bad.
@@aramusha6419 honestly, i feel like we all got scammed. Since the company he used to host is infamous for scamming... It's also super easy to farm with bots
Imagine leaving your teams at worlds for personal reasons, then find yourself at the bottom of the league and never making it back and whining publicly. Don't think he has the mental to play professionally.
Imagine being such a fairy that you can't handle what the casters said one time when they were objectively correct in their assessment of your performance.
There are a thousand programs that allow you to grab the IPs of everyone in a game with you. It's 100% up to Riot to fix but they most definitely won't.
The difference between champions and normal players is in the difference of acceptiuong criticism. Some players accept the criticism when they are playing bad and use it as fuel to improve and play better. No wonder that Eastern teams are way better than us. Latest example, look at Elk
If you word something that can be easily misimpreted you have a certain degree of responsibily cuz we all know how will these things cut up and put on the internet
If eSports is going to be as big or half as big as traditional sports we have to accept casters and analysts sometimes being harsh. If a star player is playing poorly in an NBA playoff series they will expectedly get called out for it, as an example. Also, If we think a player's career will be ruined because of fan opinion what does that say about quality of org management and evaluation?
im on the same page. i dont condemn any of Kcorp players cause my eyes bleeds looking at them play but i gotta say... LeC casting needs to change in many ways.. its unbearable.
It is not apart of the broadcasts' job to protect the careers of a pro player. If this was really an issue KC's management should step in and say the broadcast is effecting the true value of the player.
Understandably, Upset is upset with the discussion that he's the weak link, given that hes fighting for a job next season. His current performance may cause concern, and negative discussions could potentially harm his chances. As for roster spots, KC will replace Upset with Caliste, while G2 and SK will not let go of Hansama or Rahel. BDS will retain ICE, and Fnatic may replace Noah, but Upset's relationship with FNC is strained, making that an unlikely event. Upset does not speak Spanish, which rules out MAD, and VIT will either keep Carzzy or get a better ADC than Upset since Carzzy is already better than Upset meaning that VIT would downgrade their roster if they pick up Upset plus Upset was already on VIT before and I don't think they want to work with him again. Upset's options are HRT, GX, and RGE. However, with the increasing trend of Korean ADC imports, opportunities for Upset may be cooked.
It's important to bring up upset's struggles so KC can actually have a storyline to pursue: overcoming negative perceptions of them. NRG, DIG, Immortals, all had/have that narrative, and it made any exceeding expections matter that much more hype. How are we supposed to get hype for upset if we don't know what struggles he's faced? You're just barred from ever having negative sentiments towards you? NRG was literally the poster child of "please keep underestimating us as we continue beating people" and RAN with it. I understand if people are perma shitting on you but you have to have a thicker skin than that.
I do think the opinion on upset is a bit bias because its caedrals friend. If vedius is making a fair comparison why is he not mentioning upsets first season? Supa was the worst player on mad where he got carried, upset was on a team with arguably 3 of the worst players ever to play in the lec. Put supa on kc and that team is the worst team ever. The comparison netween the two players was pointless apart from getting a laugh. Its not about saying 2 facts, he didnt compare there individual performance like laning stats. The facts werent relevant to each other and tbh it screams lazy journalis
I agree, I know Vedi just wanted to make a joke and wasn't using it to try and say Supa is better, but so many people online will literally only look at team winrate and assume that is indicative of the skill level of all players on the roster as well. If you're on a last place team you must be a bad player and that can hurt people's careers.
Nah man, i'd rather Vedius make a joke about a player as he feels in the moment. He didn't lie, he didn't make him out to be worse than he is, he stated the facts and then had a laugh about it. I would much rather have casters be themselves and sometimes hurt Upset's feelings than them constantly thinking twice about what they say about which player. Casters already tend to talk about random stuff while casting, when they do talk about players the player/specific french team fans can't take it. I guess you would rather them talking about random stuff perma and be safe than talk about the performance of the player on screen.
No matter what people may say, the way he talked about Upset was toxic, and would have been if he spoke the same way to any other players. It's the same as saying to someone in your game: "you lost your last 3 soloQ you're bad". It's a fact, it's not wrong, but it hurts and has no value. It wasn't even said with a context... Regular sports commentator even after bad actions don't say "he missed his last 3 shots he's bad", they just say he missed another shot. A caster should not say this, but a co-streamer can (even though it's still not moral). A caster should be careful about his behaviour, it's literally the first rule of commenting an event. Praise good plays, notify when a play his bad but don't ditch the player in the ground.
I really dont like upset ever since the „he doesnt earn millions“ incident but I kind of get his point since KC is getting flamed everywhere it especially hurts when it is coming from the officiaö cast too. Even tho Vedius didnt mean it like that it still was an open wound
Bro, just this weekend Veduis called himself "one of the best akali players this side of the western hemisphere". Crazy considering, you know... facts.
People are so soft now. If you’re doing bad you need people telling you that. Use that as fuel. Worst thing is that if you’re doing bad and people tell you that you’re amazing. Who cares if people say you’re bad (even if it’s wrong) 😂 go prove them wrong. The best players, or winners in the world get the most criticism as they are expected to do well 100% of the time, and all the eyes on them. Yet they like and expect criticism, otherwise where’s the fire to go improve and do more.
Feels weird hearing Caedrel have this take. He has gone off at casters for being too negative in the past, even when the casters IMMEDIATELY clarify that they are just stating facts or adding context. Even swapping to foreign languages while raging at the english casters.
On the spectrum of casters being to nice or to mean casting players, we are so far on the nice side that this just comes off as crying even complaining about this some of these players have egregiously bad games and casters barely say anything
I dont understand why Caedrel is strawmanning Upset? He didn't say it was about that clip and when asked he clarified that the tweets about Targamas were what annoyed him.
I think the issue is that lately the European community is getting much more toxic - we kinda got used to Europe actually competing internationally, defeating NA and suddenly we are back at not being so good and theres more and more pressure on the players and I think at certain point it gets so annoying that when a caster who should be on the side of the players against this negativity SEEMINGLY supports it
everyone is picking on upset for the wrong thing, he was mad about the tweets that they put flaming targamas, the rest he is okay with and knows the sport.
The problem is league language. We dont say 'having a bad split', we say 'hes griefing' or 'hes inting'. It makes it hard to be constructively critical and interesting at the same time.
Remember when KC fans flamed Astralis and claimed they deserved their spot like 3-4 years ago? Look at them now xd Precisely on the same spot, but crying about getting essentially a lot less flak than what (L)Astralis used to get.
The caster was only telling an actual fact, he even said it was fact himself as an defence then the kc loser upset have to be a crybaby, his name sums it up about himself.
Dude, the LEC has less viewers than Caedrel and than the French broadcast (lets not speak about Kameto's or Ibai's viewerships)... They need the drama to get viewers back.
To be honest I don’t know why people consider what Upset has to say about pro play anymore. If he retired from league tomorrow the game isn’t any worse for it.
upset really letting that 2-1 start get to his mind already? they should be 0-3, all three games theyve played they looked like shit. yes someone like Dom might be flaming you excessively but like naw KC is not a good team and the casters were not even going that hard on you.
Facts dont care about your feelings. Id rather a world accept the facts as they are, rather than hide behind them. Simple truth to this, Upset needs to grow up.
Upset's now putting even more spotlights on his and Targamas' head and people will definitely clown on him even more if KC fails again. I pray for KC to success only because I'm honestly concerned about his mental health if they fail this split again. It's funny how this guy was a World challenger and seemed he was going to have a great career in LEC, but now he's to beg for casters' mercy on twitter.
Imagine there was a time when people would even say he's better than Rekkles; Rekkles fell off, sure, but before he did he got a bunch of titles, a bunch of worlds quarters appearances and a worlds final. What did Upset ever win? What's the farthest he has gone? Qualification to Worlds, that's it, that's all. Yet he expects people to put respect in his name? for what?
Holy, the toxic competitive gamer culture waved around here in the comment section. Like, I can understand critcism of this specific instance being seen as an overreaction by Upset. But the amount of people defending bashing on weaker performing players by principle, toutet as normal and to be waved away. The pure victim blaming vs people reacting negatively to hate..
No, buddy, it's just that nobody wants the casters to actually pay attention to this, the community has to call out Upset here not only because he is wrong in this specific instance but more importantly cause he is suggesting that casters comment bad performing players positively? as if they were winning? Nobody wants that, nobody wants the casters to glaze a team or player that is consistently last cause then there would be no value to positive comments about players deserving it. Win more first, then look to get glazed. Like what would Yike be saying to all this? Won in his first split(winter 2023), then won again in summer split 2023, and it was a full year later (winter 2024) that casters started giving him credit for those wins. I didn't see him crying about it last year, one might guess he was just busy winning.
Imagine going 2/20 for the year and getting upset (no pun intended) when people paint a negative picture of your team or players performance... Its the opposite side with casters being overly positive for G2 performances. even when g2 is down and doing poorly, they have ... basically earned the right to be given the accomodation that "hey, even though g2 is clowning around in the early game, they are still g2 and the game isnt over yet". 90% of the time, g2 is winning that game. The reality is probably Upset is going to be a bit sensitive to public reception due to his (incredibly unfair) reception of crap from that worlds incident a couple years ago. Hes also probably internalizing the fact that his teams performances have been ... unfortunate. The person behind the monitor is still a human being; upset probably has gotten an unbelievable amount of negativity and potentially may just be over reacting because of it. Doesnt excuse it, but its not unreasonable. NOW, all of this said, people are also *ridiculously* overblowing Upset's tweet. "MASSIVE LEC DRAMA OMGGGG" "UPSET IS FLAMING AND ATTACKING VEDIUS". Like... no man, read the tweet. "I do not understand why some casters have to push such negative narratives". Wow. What a heathen. The audacity to make an open, very generalized comment. I Cant believe how he singled out vedius and flamed him disrespectfully..... his attack on ve.... wait... Nope. That didnt happen either lol. The real "narrative pushing" are the content creators grossly overblowing this and dramatizing it. Upset has every right to be annoyed with the constant flood of negative crap. His tweet is very tempered and extremely reasonable.
It sounds to me like the situation is just denial from Upset. I remember an episode of LEC pop quiz, word association…. Right after Rekkles left Fnatic and Upset was his replacement. They asked the word “overrated” in regards to Pro players….. and the overwhelming majority of the responses were Upset, even Upset said he was overrated. It’s easy to take criticism when you’re on a good team, look at Oscarinin for a recent example. But Upset IS overrated…. The one thing he does consistently is take 2/3/4 or last place. Overrated on a good team is decent…. Overrated on a bad team is just bad. Upset has gotta get out of KC and KC has gotta blow everything up a start over.
I really don't like this "just stating facts approach". It's obvious that the way you are communicating an info does alot. He says Upset was 10th place 3 times in a row, actually, it's KC team being 10th place, Upset is one player within that team and a team is more than just players and a player is more than what he show for less than an hour on broadcast per week... Then he compares it to Supa being in finals but suddenly forgets to mention MAD lions were 4-5 and 7th in spring split or KC beating them in regular season. Manipulating statments without context is dangerous and it should be a concern. BUT. That said, i'm not a KC utra blindfolded and I'm pretty sure Vedius did that point in a humorous way, to make it a bit spicy between the two teams (as long as the passive/handsome meme on broadcast). Vedius is a great caster and adding some oil on the fire made it even funnier to me. So in that particular case, i'd say the critics to casters made a valid point in a clumsy way while Vedius made a humorous point in a clumsy way.
I wish kcorp players would have been more considerate of my feelings before subjecting me to two splits of some of the worst gemeplay i have ever watched
Also this
lmao
💀💀 LMAO, I need therapy after those two splits, I'll send the invoice to Upset
nah bro we good here, i'll take shit play than the ass blasting we'll get from french fans if kcorp topped LEC
He certainly wasn't complaining when the entire LEC was glazing him non-stop as the best european ADC despite accomplishing literally nothing his entire career.
After a bunch of last place finishes he gets criticism. After a single win he starts feeling himself and decides to start some drama. What an absolute clown.
Was looking for this holy
He is a little bitchh at home to his pornstar waifu. He has to act out somewhere
Not to mention during his drama vs Adam. He complained about Adam weaponizing the KC fans against him and suffered first hand that retaliation. And now he does the very same thing to Vedius ?
You know it exists, you know its possible, you know this fanbase will do it, and you know how it felt being on the receiving end, yet you would do the same thing on another person ? That's just low.
I'll play devil's advocate a bit, but as Caedrel pointed out, facts don't represent everything and, honestly, I can understand how he got progressively pissed off towards social media and narratives after the drama with Adam on Fnatic. He was glazed at a moment when we didn't see how important Upset's mental is for him to perform and he looks more inconsistent than the average player alright. However, I genuinely believe he also got cucked multiple times since Fnatic and he's been on poorly managed teams repeatedly (and I'm pretty sure we've all experienced situations where we basically have to do all the heavy lifting for bad teams in soloQ and it still isn't enough). I also understand he's getting paid to do that as a living and, as much of a privilege as it is, imagine someone at Riot looks at your account every season and tells you (as an example) : "mhmh you never got past plat 3 and you had 5 consecutives seasons with 15+ games losing streak, you had afks true but lol yeah 🤭" (which is in isolation, but Upset also mentioned that one clip is part of a bigger trend, so I do believe he isn't targeting Vedi or anything). Lastly, from a viewer pov, Vedius could definitely have been quicker on bringing up context and Medic really was too busy laughing to leave some space for Vedius to nuance the facts he stated.
(Devil's advocate over, I personally think Upset is a sensitive boy too that shouldn't take his bad records too personally, but I'm trying my best to understand where he's coming from)
It was funny when after making LEC All Pro, the guy thought he was as good as Eastern ADCs and Guma. Now that he knows his place, he can't take it
Damn how annoying can a team and its fanbase be lol
French and Spanish are the goats at being the most hated people in Europe, there is a reason why nobody likes them, mfs are just dickheads
I hate how normalized it has become to air grievances on twitter. What ever happened to confronting people in a respectful AND direct/private manner? At least use DM or something, but no, would rather just complain by sending a tweet out into the void, consequences be damned.
Upset airing grievances on twitter is super ironic in this situation too. The complaint is, "the casters were too mean calling me out on broadcast" then turns around and drags Vedi thru the mud on twitter. I don't expect much social awareness from league players but goddamn you just did the thing you called out but worse....
It's because he can weaponize the KC fanbase to force people to bow to his will, private DMs wouldn't accomplish that.
Calling out casters for something like that is wild💀
Brother wouldn’t survive English football media
snowflake generation
Bro's a proffessionaly insecure
@@tommytommy7535 English football media is disgusting and not something to be seen as a positive. Everyone in football hates the English football media, managers, players and a hell of a lot of fans. It drives players AWAY from the Premier League, and accepting casters driving a negative and hurtful narrative onto players is only going to have the same effect on the LEC
@@tommytommy7535 im starting to wonder if Adams comment when he was on FNC was valid then, when he sat out worlds and let his team down...
They win one game and they start drama... Thats why u arent winning bc u are focusing on other bs
Nah,they arent winning cuz they are mostly bad and targamas is utter fucking dogshit
Upset trying to tell the casters how to do their job when clearly he cant even do his own job properly 💀
clearly hes' ... upset.
amen
Upset is just a crybaby, as always. I wonder how his wife handles that beta male attitude.
@@PatBat3man I mean... he is a cuck for a reason lol he is soft...
@@PatBat3man I don't agree with upsets take here but god damn if what you just said in combination with your username and pic wasn't the most cringe, chronically online shit ever. I am physically cringing, make it stop
upset is still a last team player, is not negative narratives until kc goes up in standing, kc fans doing kc fans thins is not helping either the player or the casters
I think he's frustrated with how his career turned out because he was at one point considered in convos to be the best ADC in Europe, but had multiple unfortunate circumstances with his personal life and FNC being a very badly ran org that kind of sidetracked him into the current situation.
@@PayAttEx FNC is a badly run org but you can't blame them for Upset's current situation. He had his best years on FNC. They just weren't good enough to win anything.
Remove his years away from FNC all you're left with is a couple of 5-6 finishes and 4 10th place finishes.
@@shawnjohanan9267 FNC haters gonna hate
@@Frostile You don’t go from being the undisputed best org in Europe to 0 titles in 5 years without issues.
They aren’t the worst run org in the league. But they aren’t good org either. No org that promotes Rhuckz to main roster deserves to be called a “ good org”.
@@Frostile enough evidence for you, snowflake?
I still remember when KC fans booed Faker at the Red Bull tournament after Worlds when T1 had little to no rest but came to the event and instead got booed by 1 set of fans only. Everyone else was respectful.
It shows the mentality of the org, players and fanbase. They can dish out but can't take it. Worst thing to happen to LEC
@Malo-pg2tmthat don’t make it okay first of all. Your booing someone your entire organization can never get the same trophy as faker and without him they might have not gotten a job at all. Just cause you apologizes doesn’t mean everything is okay, that like saying if you murder someone, and say am sorry it okay
@Malo-pg2tmah yes, it was 5 secs and somebody stopped them so it's perfectly fine! You are actually trolling if you think KC fanbase isn't toxic.
@Malo-pg2tm Oh you are trying so hard
Found the KC fan
@Malo-pg2tm doing trick on it. Wonder how kc fan and organization feel if they get on stage and they get boo, wonder how you fan would act, cause what I seen of your fan base, it wouldn’t go well
My guy got glazed for 20 years in a row and someone crticizes him for 1 second mans flipped out and is completely shaken absolute clown
This will not end well. Casters need freedom. Imagine casting a sport essentially and you can't say anything and about a player . This is going to be stupid and it starts of like this
Right why are players telling casters how to do their job. Imagine just playing better and they would speak good about you lop that's it.
Yeah and what do you think will happen to the pro-scene if casters are suddenly allowed to start slandering and driving hate towards players? Do you think anyone will still want to play in the league after that? It's just going to create MORE toxicity in what is already the most toxic game on earth.
@@displeaseddog8722 idk bro I dint think no caster is blatantly allowed to hate a player. And vedius wasn't, he just stated a fact, and upset got into a hissyfit. Do you think steph curry going back and forth with a caster on twitter cuz of some he said? Nah he just goes out and scores 50 and wins a championship and shuts all of his haters up. That is way more respectable and commendable than whatever the f upset is doing. I can assure you that championship nba is way more toxic to play in than league btw.
@@SmokayG I mostly agree, but I'd just like to play devil's advocate a little and say that for league at least it seems that fan perceptions/ general opinions on a player carry a bit more weight than in traditional sports since it's a newer league and still finding its footing. What I mean is that the narratives people make about players can impact their chances of getting hired because the people in charge of those decisions aren't always very good at the game and can't tell the difference between memes on the internet and actual truth.
@@Arkanna96 I agree with you on that, although I still think their performance holds more weight when it comes to that with some luck being involved. And good GMs can spot that out, so yeah, they should just worry about what they can control, and not waste time and energy on stuff outside of rift. That's my opinion om this situation.
i understand why upset is upset, but does he not understand its the castor/producer's jobs to build narratives/storylines to get people to emotionally invest in the league to make them keep coming back? especially because league viewership is stagnating compared to before so they need to start clickbaiting, pro players have a job because there are fans watching, so attracting fans at the expense of the players emotions is not even a question, i am sorry but this is reality
tbf i think people have enough of those boring "kingdoms, legacies, " narratives..... its kinda ... like B movie from hollywood...
it's more about promoting flaming tweet than casters issue for Upset i would say, which i do agree, if at least they were funny tweet but they are mostly just flame 1st degree
Nah they just didnt bother with what Vedius meant, only what Vedius said.
In theory this makes sense. But anyone who cares about the competitive integrity of the game(people who actually understand high elo gameplay), hates the narratives they make.
The casters are boring and annoying to watch, not tryna watch some hard stuck gold players try to cast high level games. (If a riot employee is diamond+ they bought their account.)
If they wanna bring viewership in, leave the narratives to the ex pros who actually know what they're talking about. Bring expros in to cast instead, and you'd see a healthy change.
Then again, if anyone in the balance team or champion development team was even above gold. The state of the game itself would be better, thus more enjoyable to play and watch.
But you can't expect someone to patch things got high elo/pro play when they play at a silver level and nerf things because they got shit on in game and *think* it's op. It's not overpowered, they're just shit at their game.
I get KC gets viewership and it helps the league but fuck do I not want to interact with the community anymore. These wannabe gangster ultra fans are the creengiest thing to ever exist and almost NOBODY is calling them out on it. KC should be getting so much more shit for fostering a fanbase that toxic.
Dude after worlds when T1 went to the red bull tournament with almost no rest,, they were even booing Faker. That was the first time in a long while even Faker was shocked at the reception he got
KC fans are like a virus. Just a plague on earth which causes problems for others
Nobody stands up to then because kc fans usually target harass, threat, dox and possibly swat people who have a piece of their mind about kc and their fans. Casters oftenly avoid pissing kc because they don't wanna deal with it in their personal life, which is pathetic and sad by KC fans to go such lengths, everyone is praying for KC to get knocked out.
@@dranzerkai6051 Sorry but categorizing people as "virus" and "plague on Earth" is a discourse which is often used by a certain type of people with some strong beliefs. You are really sure you want to go in this direction ?
@@josephbogard467womp womp, yes you plague.
@@LuminousOriens Enjoy your xenophobia ig
Upset: Gets mad because he feels singled out
Upset: Singles out someone doing their job 💀😭
Is it a casters job to talk about the game or to drive negative narratives against players who are just trying to do THEIR jobs?
@@displeaseddog8722 ironic since caedrel literally commented about how some people don't even watch past the first 12 seconds of the clip and realise that vedius is explaining why he thinks upset deserved better placements, and you're over here doing exactly that.
@@displeaseddog8722 did you even watch the full clip or VOD that upset’s yapping about? or did you just see a pro whining and jump to their defense 😭 If upsets so frustrated with someone doing their job he should be frustrated with targamas’s support play 💀
@@displeaseddog8722 Yes. It is. Your job as a pro player is to entertain and perform. If you aren't doing the latter, you're gonna do the former by being the butt end of the stick. Welcome to the public eye. If you don't like it, quit. You're getting paid a lot of money, this is part of it.
@@displeaseddog8722 Yes, no drama = less views. It drives more hate viewing and more love viewing.
If targamas doesnt wanna get flamed 10x on broadcast, he should just not look like an emerald support player who got a job through nepotism. It's literally that, he sucks, gets flamed, gets mad instead of getting better. If he's going to be a non traditional support with 0 call outs or communication there better be results, and the only results we have are extremely disappointing ones
YOU are the problem. These hate filled comments thinking you know what's going on behind the scenes are EXACTLY the problem.
@@displeaseddog8722 looks like someone is very UPSET. Targamas is being one of the worst supports in the league for a whole ass year now. Stop deluding yourself with silly conspiracies, they literally replaced their coaching staff instead of addressing the actual problem.
@@displeaseddog8722 If Targamas would be a Burger Flipper whod give 0 shit and deliver a bad product and people would catch it on camera everybody would be like: AH FUCK THAT GUY HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED but when it comes to pro league youre not allowed to say this guy shouldnt do that job?
@@displeaseddog8722so what goes on behind the scenes that causes Targamas to be one of the worst supports the LEC has ever seen?
noooo but targamas spoke in comms on that KC reverse win, they won probably because of that xD
There is an easy way to have the casters don't state facts like that, play better lmao, if you finish 10th 3 times in a row, you are playing like trash for a fucking year
Exactly. Upset is more concerned about a caster stating a fact that any scouter would surely be aware of. He needs to grow up. You're an entertainer, and that comes with praise/glory and criticism/humbling.
Targamas performance was report worthy that game.
Upset should spend less time being a snowflake and more time practicing unless he wants another 10th place
Absolutely agree ^^
Upset needs to grow up. If you are on a bad team, get a thicker skin. Grow up and get some resiliency.
*edit* His performance is fine, he just doesn’t seem to understand that he is a public figure who is putting on a show in a competitive setting that is going to be critiqued. This is why you need good staff, good and honest friends, and a psychologist.
Stupid comment. Because a professional player plays on a worse team than others they DESERVE the hatred they get from random silvers on social media? They should just accept it and move on? What an inconsiderate take
@@displeaseddog8722 professional public figures who don’t perform get criticized. I’m not attacking Upset’s performance. His reaction is just one that signals a weak mindset. He’s laning with Targamas so I feel bad for him but if he can’t handle public opinions then he should avoid social media and noise that he can’t handle or someone should monitor him to help him. Thats what professional public figures in other sports / entertainment industries do and it would serve him well. Someone casting and stating a fact is the least of his problems.
@@Tlcampbelljr1bro he is a displeased dog. Let him bark. Only way to vent for him
@@displeaseddog8722smallest dogs always barks the loudest
It doesn't matter how well you perform you're as good as your weakest player. If he can't get targamas to play better that's still on him too if you can't help your lane partner and teammate.
Stop worrying about his fucking feelings and show you give a shit about his play.
KC getting in the LEC is the worst thing that happened to the league.
I was excited until I saw what their fans are like. Just the most obnoxious people possible. I think that Mad Lions' fans this year have really hit the mark though, they bring a lot of energy to the arena without being toxic.
@@midastheunwise2423 KC is basically french T1
@@baygeebob7536 nah men, t1 is just because they are the most popular team so bigger fan base more garbage fans, but kc fanbase is not that big probably the same size as mad koi and I don't see these toxic things from Koi fans
Theres a video that deep dives a bit into the T1 ddos situation. Its called The War on T1. The gist of it is the Korean server design is just more vulnerable online.
League players would mental boom in traditional sports. Any other sport has broadcast talent that warps reality for drama and hype. League pros should be grateful how much the broadcast pulls their punches. Upset needs to have a reality check imho
The only thing wrong about the clip is.... Drakos fked it up just to throw another "narrative" by interrupting Vedius. Vedius did nothing wrong, he said the fact, and instantly was going to defend Upset..... the fk up there is Drakos and his interruption just to get some drama. In fact, Drakos calls out Vedius in this clip.
I guess you could say that he was a little.....upset
The worst part is the apology... you say no one will side with vedius, but I cant think of a person that wouldn't. Outside of the ridiculousness of it all, think of whats widely considered the best cast of all time: it ends with "get yo ass wooped". We wouldn't have some amazing casts like this without much hotter flame than vedius has ever even considered dishing out.
to me its INSANE Vedius apologized...
An apology for what? For literally stating facts? I would understand if he made a statement like "Oooh Upset is so bad, Upset just cant compete, Upset needs to be cut"...
OK, that'd be overstepping it a bit. But as a commentator, his job is literally to commentate and judge the players' performance.
If Upset doesn't like that maybe he should be more consistent at playing better.
Software developer here:
Likely riot in korea has ID/SSN linked to IP because every player has only 1 ID and should rarely change IP so it is an easy way for riot to find out if a player is boosting or selling accounts etc....
Riot should just stop taking down this data then it would mean stopping boosting, account sharing and the likes will become just as difficult as with other regions
It could also be due to some legal issues essentially if someone steals your account it would be a form of theft and identity theft in korea because it is directly linked to your unique korean citizen ID. A huge can of worms but most likely what riot could do is obfuscate the IP and SSN data via a one way data encryption where they hold the key that auto changes each day and only their auto ban system has access to the data key for decryption. If the main riot systems have good documentation (likely for a huge company) it should take a week at most to implement.
Do you think there's a way to figure out whose doing this? Is there a way to trace IP theft? This would be so frustrating to deal with.
@@lizpark9854it doesn’t matter. It’s likely that whoever does this is from China or India or somewhere they can’t touch.
@@Frostilebro got chatGPT to type up some word soup lmao 🤣
100% sure it's not just "week at most to implement"
- Not everyone shares the same gov't structure as KR has
- Not everyone shares the rules and regulations KR esports has
- Not everyone has KeSPA that regulates various games and esports on a regular basis.
- a proper citizen identification is a must for this to work and western people don't like it because data privacy.
- restriction on smurfing/boosting and selling accounts will garner alot of negative criticism around it. as much as everybody hates it, some do rely on it as a source of income.
to implement this, let KR dominate the whole world, KeSPA be the general regulator for esports and such. you cannot play this "insert any game that is MMO or needs internet" without registering your citizen identification number or anything that is equal to that.
there will be no opposition if everyone's on the same team.
It would be extremely easy for riot to detect account sharing/buying if they cared (at least 99% of the cases). It's not a big topic for them, that's why nothing was ever done to tackle the issue
Insane if u think that caps bb and jankos carried TARGAMAS to win an lec split
Yea but poor flaked for having to lane with him
Then why cant your fraud crybaby jankcliwn carry now? 🤡
G2 could make any player look good because the other players are good enough to carry some dead weight. It only works domestically though.
Insane if u think that despite winning absolutely nothing throughout his career and coming10th place back to back to back yall delusional PIIIIMMPS still bark upSHIT is the best adc🤡
g2 can carry many mediocre or bad players. currently is hans sama. i dont thinks he's bad dont get me wrong but in any other team he would be far from winning trophies
wait bo is out targamas is still in ? dam he must be rly good ... behind the scenes
Meanwhile casters and whole desk squad shitting on Jankos since he joined G2 to the point where he become a meme. Jankos managed to turn it around in his favour. Not all players are like Jankos but to get mad about something like this? A bit of a stretch in my opinion 🤷🏼
Jankos did take it like a champ, but he also admitted that all the jokes had a bit of a bad impact on his career too since people actually started believing he was bad at carry champs or not as good mechanically anymore. So I can sort of see where the tweet is coming from a little bit. I know Vedious didn't mean it that way and had a different point in mind, but so many people bring up shitty stats with no context to make someone look much worse than they actually are.
@@Arkanna96Jankos was taking it like a champ for a long time before he politely mentioned it. Upset got mad about bringing up w statistic and called out caster which cause more harm than what has been told originally. It’s not the first time there is drama that involves Upset, it speak for itself imo
Upset is naturally drawn in to dramas. When there are none, he creates one by himself, trying to do the "right thing."
I think some casters can be overly critical (or overly bias), and upset is right that unfair narratives can ruin a players career - which is their livelihood. However that didnt happen in the vedius clip, he wasnt being critical, if anything it was more positive than what upset deserved.
Feels like everyone is missing the point. He’s more defending his team and standing up for his team, org, and fans rather than a simple “callout” of media.
Targamas deserves it. He is int feeding constantly. Literally blew flash trying to combo a LEBLANC and died in lane for no feasible reason.
No. A player playing badly in a video game does not deserve to be sent hate messages on social media by cowards hiding behind their keyboards.
@@displeaseddog8722 so when people do badly and make poor decisions in their professional job they shouldn’t experience any repercussions? If I do poorly, blow up a deal at my work, I have consequences. They are public figures who are professionals in their field.
@@displeaseddog8722maybe if he got what he deserved which is being fired for being terrible at his job, this wouldn't have happened. Blame the KC Management
@@displeaseddog8722Except he's not just a player, and it's not just a video game. He's a PROFESSIONAL who's doing bad at his JOB. And he's been doing badly for a long while now without getting any significant repercussions.
@@Tlcampbelljr1 The negative repercussion is losing, not random dipshits on twitter feeling the need to take it into their own hands lol.
If your boss came into your office, slapped you across the face, and called you a dogshit employee that doesn't belong in your company, that would be pretty unacceptable I would hope.
Esports fans and sports fans are both fucking awful with their ridiculous behaviors towards players.
Upset trying for that "beef with every single organism in the LEC speedrun any%" challenge. First Adam, now Vedius, and he still won't shut up and do his job.
This "bad moment" has been going on for about 3 years now.
Well Said Sir
Well said, the drama here is just ridiculous
Looks to me that Vedius said something, realized it came out wrong but was stopped before he could backtrack it. He def could have worded it way better but he wasnt wrong. the tweets though are kinda messed up
The ussue with showibf the flame tweets on the broadcast is that that will encourage everyone else to tweet trashtalk so tbeir tweet can be seen. This isnt that surprising though because they are trying to lean into the trash talk more
*Preface with I don't care just making a point* so every time a caster says anything negative about NA are we gonna complain now? They are reporters, reporting on the game.. you want a good review, play better. Look at traditional sports, they get praise and flame every game, because when you are in the public eye,, it's gonna happen. Vedius did absolutely nothing wrong here, want praise and a better review or to look good for future teams, offers etc, earn it, and keep earning it
Fun fact about Upset's tweet: He wrote that he was a "less passive and more handsome" version of Rekkles, when he and Fnatic were in a bad moment in 2017, it's funny how he now cries about being made fun of his "narrative"
Holy shit league produces the most snowflakes I have ever seen
they'd be hyperventilating watching a cs crowd lmao
LEC*
In CS caster call to outright replace people even on winning teams, as a pro you just have to be able to take it. Yeah it sucks but if you do not perform you just have to take it.
So you can say he got.....Upset that people are right about him being shit at his job? Targ? Targ needs no mention.
i'd recommend Upset do his best Tahm Kench impression and get thicker skin
yeah I mean aren't casters much more vulnerable to fan reactions than players? players at least have their actual performance to fall back on, but getting fans to stay tuned in is the whole job for casters
Listen to british football casters one game and u will see why this is irrelevant. Play good, get props. Play bad, get called out. This is how to game works, if you dont like it, too bad.
I got 2 words " get gud"
any news from the msi giveaway? or we should all forget about it?
iirc, caedrel said the winners got a dm or email with a picture of him holding a congratulations sign
@@aramusha6419 honestly, i feel like we all got scammed. Since the company he used to host is infamous for scamming... It's also super easy to farm with bots
I love how inspired talks about jensen, "thats so european, thats just europe dude" (IWD) meanwhile in europe. . .
Imagine leaving your teams at worlds for personal reasons, then find yourself at the bottom of the league and never making it back and whining publicly. Don't think he has the mental to play professionally.
His wife got raped dude. "Nah just deal with it honey, I got a game to play". Are you insane?
Upset trying to say human things VS the commentary section of Caedrel : 🙉🐒🐀🐖🐄
Imagine being such a fairy that you can't handle what the casters said one time when they were objectively correct in their assessment of your performance.
There are a thousand programs that allow you to grab the IPs of everyone in a game with you. It's 100% up to Riot to fix but they most definitely won't.
I mean it’s almost like the casters control the narrative and actually do affect these peoples jobs heavily.
Stating out facts has now become forbidden.
The difference between champions and normal players is in the difference of acceptiuong criticism. Some players accept the criticism when they are playing bad and use it as fuel to improve and play better. No wonder that Eastern teams are way better than us. Latest example, look at Elk
If you word something that can be easily misimpreted you have a certain degree of responsibily cuz we all know how will these things cut up and put on the internet
Which then leads to casters self-censoring to avoid being taken out of context.
If eSports is going to be as big or half as big as traditional sports we have to accept casters and analysts sometimes being harsh. If a star player is playing poorly in an NBA playoff series they will expectedly get called out for it, as an example.
Also, If we think a player's career will be ruined because of fan opinion what does that say about quality of org management and evaluation?
lmao Caedral actually flaming TheShy @17:16
There would never be such a discussion in the Counter Strike Community
im on the same page. i dont condemn any of Kcorp players cause my eyes bleeds looking at them play but i gotta say... LeC casting needs to change in many ways.. its unbearable.
It is not apart of the broadcasts' job to protect the careers of a pro player. If this was really an issue KC's management should step in and say the broadcast is effecting the true value of the player.
i think the solution is to just fire the caster and analyst and just have the annoying fans shout the team name for 6 hours straight
Understandably, Upset is upset with the discussion that he's the weak link, given that hes fighting for a job next season. His current performance may cause concern, and negative discussions could potentially harm his chances.
As for roster spots, KC will replace Upset with Caliste, while G2 and SK will not let go of Hansama or Rahel. BDS will retain ICE, and Fnatic may replace Noah, but Upset's relationship with FNC is strained, making that an unlikely event. Upset does not speak Spanish, which rules out MAD, and VIT will either keep Carzzy or get a better ADC than Upset since Carzzy is already better than Upset meaning that VIT would downgrade their roster if they pick up Upset plus Upset was already on VIT before and I don't think they want to work with him again.
Upset's options are HRT, GX, and RGE. However, with the increasing trend of Korean ADC imports, opportunities for Upset may be cooked.
I have always loved Upset as a player especially after i got to see him in Fnatic, but calling out Vedius for that is just madness.
Some would say that he is Upset about it
It's important to bring up upset's struggles so KC can actually have a storyline to pursue: overcoming negative perceptions of them. NRG, DIG, Immortals, all had/have that narrative, and it made any exceeding expections matter that much more hype. How are we supposed to get hype for upset if we don't know what struggles he's faced? You're just barred from ever having negative sentiments towards you? NRG was literally the poster child of "please keep underestimating us as we continue beating people" and RAN with it. I understand if people are perma shitting on you but you have to have a thicker skin than that.
I do think the opinion on upset is a bit bias because its caedrals friend. If vedius is making a fair comparison why is he not mentioning upsets first season? Supa was the worst player on mad where he got carried, upset was on a team with arguably 3 of the worst players ever to play in the lec. Put supa on kc and that team is the worst team ever. The comparison netween the two players was pointless apart from getting a laugh. Its not about saying 2 facts, he didnt compare there individual performance like laning stats. The facts werent relevant to each other and tbh it screams lazy journalis
I agree, I know Vedi just wanted to make a joke and wasn't using it to try and say Supa is better, but so many people online will literally only look at team winrate and assume that is indicative of the skill level of all players on the roster as well. If you're on a last place team you must be a bad player and that can hurt people's careers.
Nah man, i'd rather Vedius make a joke about a player as he feels in the moment. He didn't lie, he didn't make him out to be worse than he is, he stated the facts and then had a laugh about it. I would much rather have casters be themselves and sometimes hurt Upset's feelings than them constantly thinking twice about what they say about which player.
Casters already tend to talk about random stuff while casting, when they do talk about players the player/specific french team fans can't take it. I guess you would rather them talking about random stuff perma and be safe than talk about the performance of the player on screen.
No matter what people may say, the way he talked about Upset was toxic, and would have been if he spoke the same way to any other players. It's the same as saying to someone in your game: "you lost your last 3 soloQ you're bad". It's a fact, it's not wrong, but it hurts and has no value. It wasn't even said with a context... Regular sports commentator even after bad actions don't say "he missed his last 3 shots he's bad", they just say he missed another shot.
A caster should not say this, but a co-streamer can (even though it's still not moral). A caster should be careful about his behaviour, it's literally the first rule of commenting an event. Praise good plays, notify when a play his bad but don't ditch the player in the ground.
nah that was just straight up unnessecary by Vedius idk
I really dont like upset ever since the „he doesnt earn millions“ incident but I kind of get his point since KC is getting flamed everywhere it especially hurts when it is coming from the officiaö cast too.
Even tho Vedius didnt mean it like that it still was an open wound
He needs to suck it up especially when it is about TRUTH.
Two words "play better"
Vedius spoke truth and facts (aka doing his job), whose the worst one in this situation?surely not kc
Bro, just this weekend Veduis called himself "one of the best akali players this side of the western hemisphere". Crazy considering, you know... facts.
What can I say. There's millions of Doublelifts out there giving their opinions without reading the whole context. That's the sad fact
People are so soft now. If you’re doing bad you need people telling you that. Use that as fuel.
Worst thing is that if you’re doing bad and people tell you that you’re amazing.
Who cares if people say you’re bad (even if it’s wrong) 😂 go prove them wrong.
The best players, or winners in the world get the most criticism as they are expected to do well 100% of the time, and all the eyes on them. Yet they like and expect criticism, otherwise where’s the fire to go improve and do more.
Feels weird hearing Caedrel have this take. He has gone off at casters for being too negative in the past, even when the casters IMMEDIATELY clarify that they are just stating facts or adding context.
Even swapping to foreign languages while raging at the english casters.
4:37 pun intended 😅
TheShy could easily replace someone on like nova, or AG, or JDG, or BLG. Those teams need help
On the spectrum of casters being to nice or to mean casting players, we are so far on the nice side that this just comes off as crying even complaining about this some of these players have egregiously bad games and casters barely say anything
I dont understand why Caedrel is strawmanning Upset? He didn't say it was about that clip and when asked he clarified that the tweets about Targamas were what annoyed him.
only korea has this problem so they just need to remove whatever they have only in korean client
I think the issue is that lately the European community is getting much more toxic - we kinda got used to Europe actually competing internationally, defeating NA and suddenly we are back at not being so good and theres more and more pressure on the players and I think at certain point it gets so annoying that when a caster who should be on the side of the players against this negativity SEEMINGLY supports it
everyone is picking on upset for the wrong thing, he was mad about the tweets that they put flaming targamas, the rest he is okay with and knows the sport.
The problem is league language. We dont say 'having a bad split', we say 'hes griefing' or 'hes inting'. It makes it hard to be constructively critical and interesting at the same time.
If you seen what the caster has said you would know.
Oh no, Upset is upset? damn unfortunate precendent that is indicating.
The problem is kc is the new astralis, but astralis won more games. But people stopped at nothing to flame the players or the org
Remember when KC fans flamed Astralis and claimed they deserved their spot like 3-4 years ago? Look at them now xd
Precisely on the same spot, but crying about getting essentially a lot less flak than what (L)Astralis used to get.
Caster should be able to say what he wants, shouldn't be immune to public backlash because he is your friend.
The caster was only telling an actual fact, he even said it was fact himself as an defence then the kc loser upset have to be a crybaby, his name sums it up about himself.
Dude, the LEC has less viewers than Caedrel and than the French broadcast (lets not speak about Kameto's or Ibai's viewerships)... They need the drama to get viewers back.
To be honest I don’t know why people consider what Upset has to say about pro play anymore. If he retired from league tomorrow the game isn’t any worse for it.
upset really letting that 2-1 start get to his mind already? they should be 0-3, all three games theyve played they looked like shit. yes someone like Dom might be flaming you excessively but like naw KC is not a good team and the casters were not even going that hard on you.
Facts dont care about your feelings.
Id rather a world accept the facts as they are, rather than hide behind them.
Simple truth to this, Upset needs to grow up.
Upset's now putting even more spotlights on his and Targamas' head and people will definitely clown on him even more if KC fails again. I pray for KC to success only because I'm honestly concerned about his mental health if they fail this split again.
It's funny how this guy was a World challenger and seemed he was going to have a great career in LEC, but now he's to beg for casters' mercy on twitter.
Imagine there was a time when people would even say he's better than Rekkles;
Rekkles fell off, sure, but before he did he got a bunch of titles, a bunch of worlds quarters appearances and a worlds final.
What did Upset ever win? What's the farthest he has gone? Qualification to Worlds, that's it, that's all. Yet he expects people to put respect in his name? for what?
Holy, the toxic competitive gamer culture waved around here in the comment section. Like, I can understand critcism of this specific instance being seen as an overreaction by Upset. But the amount of people defending bashing on weaker performing players by principle, toutet as normal and to be waved away. The pure victim blaming vs people reacting negatively to hate..
No, buddy, it's just that nobody wants the casters to actually pay attention to this, the community has to call out Upset here not only because he is wrong in this specific instance but more importantly cause he is suggesting that casters comment bad performing players positively? as if they were winning? Nobody wants that, nobody wants the casters to glaze a team or player that is consistently last cause then there would be no value to positive comments about players deserving it. Win more first, then look to get glazed. Like what would Yike be saying to all this? Won in his first split(winter 2023), then won again in summer split 2023, and it was a full year later (winter 2024) that casters started giving him credit for those wins. I didn't see him crying about it last year, one might guess he was just busy winning.
I don t think casters need to be carefull when stating facts about other teams. Most players and fan bases are not even close to being as sensitive...
Tbh if i had to lane with targamas i would be pretty upset too
Maybe don't be 10th place 3 times in a row and people won't make statements affirming that fact
Imagine going 2/20 for the year and getting upset (no pun intended) when people paint a negative picture of your team or players performance... Its the opposite side with casters being overly positive for G2 performances. even when g2 is down and doing poorly, they have ... basically earned the right to be given the accomodation that "hey, even though g2 is clowning around in the early game, they are still g2 and the game isnt over yet". 90% of the time, g2 is winning that game.
The reality is probably Upset is going to be a bit sensitive to public reception due to his (incredibly unfair) reception of crap from that worlds incident a couple years ago. Hes also probably internalizing the fact that his teams performances have been ... unfortunate. The person behind the monitor is still a human being; upset probably has gotten an unbelievable amount of negativity and potentially may just be over reacting because of it. Doesnt excuse it, but its not unreasonable.
NOW, all of this said, people are also *ridiculously* overblowing Upset's tweet. "MASSIVE LEC DRAMA OMGGGG" "UPSET IS FLAMING AND ATTACKING VEDIUS". Like... no man, read the tweet. "I do not understand why some casters have to push such negative narratives". Wow. What a heathen. The audacity to make an open, very generalized comment. I Cant believe how he singled out vedius and flamed him disrespectfully..... his attack on ve.... wait... Nope. That didnt happen either lol. The real "narrative pushing" are the content creators grossly overblowing this and dramatizing it. Upset has every right to be annoyed with the constant flood of negative crap. His tweet is very tempered and extremely reasonable.
expresslol muted xdd. why?
because hes Expresslol
It sounds to me like the situation is just denial from Upset.
I remember an episode of LEC pop quiz, word association…. Right after Rekkles left Fnatic and Upset was his replacement.
They asked the word “overrated” in regards to Pro players….. and the overwhelming majority of the responses were Upset, even Upset said he was overrated.
It’s easy to take criticism when you’re on a good team, look at Oscarinin for a recent example. But Upset IS overrated…. The one thing he does consistently is take 2/3/4 or last place.
Overrated on a good team is decent…. Overrated on a bad team is just bad.
Upset has gotta get out of KC and KC has gotta blow everything up a start over.
guys, maybe im being stupid, but cant t1 players just play on secrets accounts? is rly that hard maintain ur soloq account secret?
I really don't like this "just stating facts approach". It's obvious that the way you are communicating an info does alot. He says Upset was 10th place 3 times in a row, actually, it's KC team being 10th place, Upset is one player within that team and a team is more than just players and a player is more than what he show for less than an hour on broadcast per week... Then he compares it to Supa being in finals but suddenly forgets to mention MAD lions were 4-5 and 7th in spring split or KC beating them in regular season. Manipulating statments without context is dangerous and it should be a concern. BUT. That said, i'm not a KC utra blindfolded and I'm pretty sure Vedius did that point in a humorous way, to make it a bit spicy between the two teams (as long as the passive/handsome meme on broadcast). Vedius is a great caster and adding some oil on the fire made it even funnier to me. So in that particular case, i'd say the critics to casters made a valid point in a clumsy way while Vedius made a humorous point in a clumsy way.
KC only have 2 10th place, Upset alone have 3 (Vitality)