Just come across your channel guys, (loving it so far) I am a Commercial Saturation Diver. As Cam stated the Helium gets into the watch in the Saturation Chambers and the Diving bell. A 1Atm suit is also just that, the inside of the suit is pressured to ambient sea level pressure so is basically a wearable mini-sub (no one uses these for commercial work these days) Most of us actually wear G-Shocks in the water, sometimes they give it out and pop on decompression in Saturation but it's better than wrecking a nice watch in the water as a lot of the work we do is construction. I have 16610 Submariner for when on land though :-) A standard industry joke is a Seadweller is nick named a draw-dweller as no one wears them in the water lol Keep up the good work guys.
Guys, I love your channel but a couple of corrections. The Proplof does not have a He escape valve. It's designed to be impenetrable to He. And that wasn't a Seamaster Professional in the common sense of the terms. It was a Seamaster Planet Ocean.
On my way to Gozo to dive wrecks at 75m - 246 feet using rebreathers and trimix. I'm bringing a dive watch but only for the look and feel. I'd use 2 computers for the actual diving. A dive watch just looks cool when you're chilling on the surface. Great show guys. Enjoying the content.
Love the podcast and look forward to it every week. Would like to see an episode on skeletonized watches that show off the insides of the watch. Thanks!
That final point is it for me, as someone who is in or near water everyday the piece of mind I have a dope piece of technical jewellery that can just take whatever I'm about do. And then looks great on instagram with the underwater picture!
watchfinder did 2 great videos on both dive watches and "the most dangerous watch" ie the panerai luminor that explained the paint girls and their story. worth the watch
19:00 Mr. Cameron said that the waterproof means: "the watch, if get wet inside, would not be damaged." I think about it after last night I carelessly drop my vintage Oris diver watch into the water. First I think it is okay because well... it is a dive watch. But the water intruded through the caseback (I later realized that it has no gasket anymore), and also leaked inside through the crystal. The movement (based on ETA 2688 date only) get wet a little bit. A dropplet of water get into the bridge, dial, hands and maybe on the gears. What amazed me that the movement still running well. So does it mean that water resist is different with waterproof? is waterresist more about case manufacturing while waterproof is more about the movement durability?
Cool episode guys, love a good dive watch! But to be the nerd I have to point out that 150$ in 1967 is the same as $1,124 today. So compare a thousand dollar modern Seiko to a 1967 Rolex and the quality difference probably tips the other way (not that I have ANY experience in vintage Rolexes lol)
This might be me reaching for justification for my purchase, but a nice microbrand watch that seems to punch way above it's weight is Helm's Vanuatu and Khuraburi. They are ISO cerified to a divers 300M and powered by a Seiko NH35. It might make for a nice feature for a cheap(er) watch episode for around the $300 range.
31:00 Radium has a half-life of 1600 years, so those watches would certainly still pose a risk, unlike tritium which has a half-life of 12 years. Hodinkee also has had articles proposing that the overall radiation exposure from radium dials have been underestimated, and that you definitively shouldn't be wearing those watches all the time, and sleeping with them and such. The alpha particles are not any kind of issue, as a sheet of paper will block them. The beta particles will be blocked by the watch case as well. However, radium will also emit a small amount of gamma particles, which will not be blocked by the case or skin, but requires a dense material like lead to shield from the radiation. Additionally, radium dials will produce small amounts of radon gas, that is known to greatly increase the risk of lung cancer. Obviously the amount is so small, that a single watch will not pose any meaningful risk, but if you have something like an airtight box full of old radium watches, the gasses would be able to accumulate over time, and posing a greater risk every time you open the box. Additionally, doing maintenance on radium dials exposes the watch repairer to some risk. Great care should be taken to avoid breathing in, or ingesting particles from the watch. The radium paint, typically mixed with zinc sulfide, will become brittle and porous over time, and as such both contamination and spread of what is essentially radium dust poses a certain risk. You should be wearing a face-mask, and make sure to properly clean your work space and tools after finishing your work. I've found that black light and rodico is helpful in tracking down and grabbing those pesky particles.
Tudor are hugely popular in Europe, Black Bay's in particular, hard to get at RRP never mind a discount. I know a few people who daily a Black Bay and then have a Rolex etc for special occasions. If you did a Tudor special you would get a lot of views and subs.
Thank you guys for the great podcast, especially with my favorite watch type. divers are the best everyday watch, in my opinion. Blancpain Fifty Fathoms is the one the started the divers watch evolution. For your dive on Tudor Try a Black bay heritage red and the Fifty Eight, and their New GMT is also stunning.
Just as an aside, the Omega dive watch you showed was the Planet Ocean, not the Seamaster Professional and it retails for ~$6500, not $2800. Also, I think the companies that employed the Radium Girls were unaware of the health problems associated with Radium. I don't think they were intentionally exposing the women to Radium poisoning just to make a profit on their watches.
They were 100% aware of the dangers of Radium to the dial painters. How do we know this? The people handling the raw radium had to wear full on radiation suits.
I would expand the black shade that's around the camera. That way we wouldn't see a reflection of the white ceiling tiles on the watch crystal. Just get some black cardboard or something.
I was looking to buy a yacht-master 1 and I called crown and caliber, they told me they would call me back since i needed a couple of links added to the watch if i were to buy it. They never called me back. I ended up getting one at govberg instead at the same price i would've gotten at c&c with all the links.
So i just looked it up if anybody is interested: Radium paint should be just as dangerous now as it was when new. Ra226 has a half life of 1602YEARS. So after all that time the paint statistically would radiate half as much. That said as long as the Radium is in the watch case it should be harmless because it is an alpha radiator. That radiation can basically be stopped by a few sheets of paper. BUT i have not looked up what it breaks down into, and there might be some really high energy gamma radiation there...
Also if i may give some suggestions for future shows: Pilots watches. And maybe if Matt is on vacation or something Cameron could actually talk us through Movements in some detail. I would be interested but I do understand that others would probably have a problem with technical talk
as long as you don't make it a habit to go around licking watch dials, you'll probably be alright. I'd probably work on a disposable sheet anyway due to the fact that lume could be disturbed that was sitting on top of the dial
I think you're inaccurate about the seamaster chronograph pushers being able to be pushed underwater. The only watch that can do this is ther breitling sea avenger quartz chronongraph diver that uses magnetic switches on its pushers to keep case integrity.
veins91 saturation divers breathe a mix of helium and oxygen in order to avoid nitrogen narcosis and oxygen toxicity (both problems that arise from breathing regular air while deep diving). Saturation divers spend many days living inside of a saturation chamber that is used as their home base during deep diving so that they only have to do one decompression cycle at the end of the entire assignment instead of decompressing after each individual dive. Saturation diving means that you are fully saturated and your decompression time has reached its cap. During that entire time they are surrounded by pressurized oxygen and helium which is small enough to work its way through the gaskets of a watch when under pressure. When they are ready for decompression the molecules of helium that got into their watch will enlarge. Hopefully they have a timepiece with a He valve to release that He, otherwise the crystal of the watch will pop of the front. Helium valves are never needed for regular wet diving environments. They are only useful when in a saturation chamber or an atmospheric diving suit.
Sorry I totally hadn't got to the part where you explained all that in the show. I was only 15 minutes in when I commented. Thanks for the reply regardless!
Not that I recommend this, but I used to scuba dive with a Polar heart rate monitor watch (waterproof to 30m) down to about 30m/90ft and had no issues.
I used to go jumping on thin ice, go trough it and get back out of the freezing water for fun. Doesn't automatically mean its a good idea that anyone should ever do.. just saying. A lot of people have great luck diving with cheap casios that are rated 30m, but you shouldn't bet your life on it working past the bottom of a kids pool.
NorCal Globetrotter That's right, but Tudor only recently made moves to unique/ in-house movements. The vintage Tudor watches are where you will find the ETA movements.
True, but in this video he is showing the In House version and talking about ETA. I have the Inhouse version of this watch and the ETA version on the 36 BB w/o rotating bezel..
The USSR had an interesting solution to making their Vostok Amphibia series ISO compliant. Two piece "pie-pan" & screw down retainer ring on the back made it so the deeper you got- the more the case squeezed close against a wide flat gasket underneath and the watch got more and more sealed with pressure. As for the crystal- they used a lucite dome that wast made to act like an arch- squeezing tighter into its seating with more pressure. Classic Russian Engineering- elegant simple solutions to complex problems. During the space race- the US spent millions developing a pen that would work in micro-gravity...the russians just brought pencils. (yes I understand the danger of graphite dust and sensitive electronics...just sayin. )
The Vostoks are great, really great design to keep water out at extreme debts. the watchback will permanently deform by the pressure way before it lets any water in... Never quite liked the crowns tho, I know it works great, but it just feels so incredibly cheap...
FYI, you're radioactive. So are bananas. When you fly in an airplane you're exposed to a lot of radiation. You definitely don't have to worry about old radium dials...
Sorry , but after being a watch collector for 25 years, since I was 20, this podcast is for newbies.. Have seen a few of the episodes and can't believe Mat's ignorance.
Well, he's American, so he's naturally going to be more vocal in what he says, but yes if you don't know something you really shouldn't let everybody else on earth know that.
That's the whole point! I'm the student here, not the teacher. Cameron is the teacher. And yes! It is for newbies! We are trying to expand the hobby PAST people who are already insufferable nerds. Speaking of ignorance, MATT has 2 T's in it. Thanks!
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Just come across your channel guys, (loving it so far) I am a Commercial Saturation Diver. As Cam stated the Helium gets into the watch in the Saturation Chambers and the Diving bell. A 1Atm suit is also just that, the inside of the suit is pressured to ambient sea level pressure so is basically a wearable mini-sub (no one uses these for commercial work these days)
Most of us actually wear G-Shocks in the water, sometimes they give it out and pop on decompression in Saturation but it's better than wrecking a nice watch in the water as a lot of the work we do is construction. I have 16610 Submariner for when on land though :-) A standard industry joke is a Seadweller is nick named a draw-dweller as no one wears them in the water lol
Keep up the good work guys.
Well, look at that. You proved 'em wrong.
Johnny641 And the sea-dweller only comes on a bracelet. ☺
Guys, I love your channel but a couple of corrections. The Proplof does not have a He escape valve. It's designed to be impenetrable to He. And that wasn't a Seamaster Professional in the common sense of the terms. It was a Seamaster Planet Ocean.
Awesome episode cant wait for the seiko episode :p
On my way to Gozo to dive wrecks at 75m - 246 feet using rebreathers and trimix. I'm bringing a dive watch but only for the look and feel. I'd use 2 computers for the actual diving. A dive watch just looks cool when you're chilling on the surface. Great show guys. Enjoying the content.
Lloyd Bridges was pimping the Blancpain because he was the star of Sea Hunt a tv series that ran from '58-61 based on a SCUBA diver.
Never heard of Edox until now. We should hear more about them. Doxa also needs a lot more love on your show.
That Omega Proplof looks amazing.
Wooo! Love me some Watch & Listen in the morning
Great explanation from Diver’s for Diver’s … and all other land based animals
Dive watches are just the best! I love having solid build quality and WR. Means I can take them anywhere and they just keep working.
Love the podcast and look forward to it every week. Would like to see an episode on skeletonized watches that show off the insides of the watch. Thanks!
That final point is it for me, as someone who is in or near water everyday the piece of mind I have a dope piece of technical jewellery that can just take whatever I'm about do. And then looks great on instagram with the underwater picture!
Yes definitely do a deep dive video on Tudor. I just got my Black Bay, it's my first proper watch and I absolutely love it
Man that Omega looks mint and is like half the price of a new one.
3:18
I prefer to experience Watch and Listen [as Mr. Regular would say] AURALLY.
For the first time, then skim through the video to view watch images.
watchfinder did 2 great videos on both dive watches and "the most dangerous watch" ie the panerai luminor that explained the paint girls and their story. worth the watch
Also, the Tudor uses an in house movement non eta based. And when the ETA movement is used it is enhanced with a lot of upgrades .
Awesome guys . WEISS IS AWESOME .
What do you guys think about watch modding? If you want a comparison between cars and watches the SKX007 is the Honda Civic of watches.
Z. McClendon the skx007 is the nissan of cars. It's bot a good watch. The grand seiko is more like the civic of watches
19:00 Mr. Cameron said that the waterproof means: "the watch, if get wet inside, would not be damaged." I think about it after last night I carelessly drop my vintage Oris diver watch into the water. First I think it is okay because well... it is a dive watch. But the water intruded through the caseback (I later realized that it has no gasket anymore), and also leaked inside through the crystal. The movement (based on ETA 2688 date only) get wet a little bit. A dropplet of water get into the bridge, dial, hands and maybe on the gears. What amazed me that the movement still running well. So does it mean that water resist is different with waterproof? is waterresist more about case manufacturing while waterproof is more about the movement durability?
Really informative! You got me wearing my Oris ProDiver Moonphase today
Love the show! One idea for a show topic: certifications, what they mean, and the testing involved to receive them, such as ISO, COSC, METAS, etc.
11 minutes in and already talking about exploding lungs.
John Spartan love it
Genuinely love this show. It's been really informative and you've certainly converted another person to the world of watchmaking!
Love how Matt never had Cameron followed on IG until around 4:30 of this episode
Cool episode guys, love a good dive watch! But to be the nerd I have to point out that 150$ in 1967 is the same as $1,124 today. So compare a thousand dollar modern Seiko to a 1967 Rolex and the quality difference probably tips the other way (not that I have ANY experience in vintage Rolexes lol)
Good point. A thousand dollar Seiko now is probably nicer than a 60’s Rolex.
This might be me reaching for justification for my purchase, but a nice microbrand watch that seems to punch way above it's weight is Helm's Vanuatu and Khuraburi. They are ISO cerified to a divers 300M and powered by a Seiko NH35. It might make for a nice feature for a cheap(er) watch episode for around the $300 range.
I love these so much best watch podcast ever
31:00 Radium has a half-life of 1600 years, so those watches would certainly still pose a risk, unlike tritium which has a half-life of 12 years. Hodinkee also has had articles proposing that the overall radiation exposure from radium dials have been underestimated, and that you definitively shouldn't be wearing those watches all the time, and sleeping with them and such. The alpha particles are not any kind of issue, as a sheet of paper will block them. The beta particles will be blocked by the watch case as well. However, radium will also emit a small amount of gamma particles, which will not be blocked by the case or skin, but requires a dense material like lead to shield from the radiation. Additionally, radium dials will produce small amounts of radon gas, that is known to greatly increase the risk of lung cancer. Obviously the amount is so small, that a single watch will not pose any meaningful risk, but if you have something like an airtight box full of old radium watches, the gasses would be able to accumulate over time, and posing a greater risk every time you open the box.
Additionally, doing maintenance on radium dials exposes the watch repairer to some risk. Great care should be taken to avoid breathing in, or ingesting particles from the watch. The radium paint, typically mixed with zinc sulfide, will become brittle and porous over time, and as such both contamination and spread of what is essentially radium dust poses a certain risk. You should be wearing a face-mask, and make sure to properly clean your work space and tools after finishing your work. I've found that black light and rodico is helpful in tracking down and grabbing those pesky particles.
WOW that Blue Planet Ocean, the lowest price one I could find on the site was 4k
Great content!...Love the Ploprof...subscribed
Tudor are hugely popular in Europe, Black Bay's in particular, hard to get at RRP never mind a discount. I know a few people who daily a Black Bay and then have a Rolex etc for special occasions. If you did a Tudor special you would get a lot of views and subs.
Sea Hunt was a great show...
Thank you guys for the great podcast, especially with my favorite watch type. divers are the best everyday watch, in my opinion. Blancpain Fifty Fathoms is the one the started the divers watch evolution. For your dive on Tudor Try a Black bay heritage red and the Fifty Eight, and their New GMT is also stunning.
Just as an aside, the Omega dive watch you showed was the Planet Ocean, not the Seamaster Professional and it retails for ~$6500, not $2800. Also, I think the companies that employed the Radium Girls were unaware of the health problems associated with Radium. I don't think they were intentionally exposing the women to Radium poisoning just to make a profit on their watches.
$4200 on C&C
www.crownandcaliber.com/products/omega-planet-ocean-215-30-44-21-03-001-10-10-ome-af1x6n
They were 100% aware of the dangers of Radium to the dial painters. How do we know this? The people handling the raw radium had to wear full on radiation suits.
In this episode, Cameron and Matt take a deep dive, figuratively, into the world of dive watches.
What are the details on Cameron’s Rolex Sub? (Reference # in particular) it looks pretty amazing.
Love this channel Matt
Really enjoying the show ... any plans for an episode like this on GMT watches?
I would expand the black shade that's around the camera. That way we wouldn't see a reflection of the white ceiling tiles on the watch crystal. Just get some black cardboard or something.
I was looking to buy a yacht-master 1 and I called crown and caliber, they told me they would call me back since i needed a couple of links added to the watch if i were to buy it. They never called me back. I ended up getting one at govberg instead at the same price i would've gotten at c&c with all the links.
16:12 That's not correct. Silver tip sharks and other similar ones are low down. I had to go deep many times to see some specific beasts
I want to know how they keep the water out. Or if I bought a Parnis gmt How could I improve water resistance/ Seals
So i just looked it up if anybody is interested: Radium paint should be just as dangerous now as it was when new. Ra226 has a half life of 1602YEARS. So after all that time the paint statistically would radiate half as much. That said as long as the Radium is in the watch case it should be harmless because it is an alpha radiator. That radiation can basically be stopped by a few sheets of paper. BUT i have not looked up what it breaks down into, and there might be some really high energy gamma radiation there...
Also if i may give some suggestions for future shows: Pilots watches. And maybe if Matt is on vacation or something Cameron could actually talk us through Movements in some detail. I would be interested but I do understand that others would probably have a problem with technical talk
HackiH nah alpha doesn’t decay into gamma, still hectic though
AR 97 Well there you go its fine. EVRYTHING IS FINE! xD
as long as you don't make it a habit to go around licking watch dials, you'll probably be alright. I'd probably work on a disposable sheet anyway due to the fact that lume could be disturbed that was sitting on top of the dial
HackiH wow! I need to be more cautious when working on vintage watches with Radium dials.
I love these shows but wish they were longer! Suppose I’m spoilt by watching 3hr JRE video podcasts!
I think you're inaccurate about the seamaster chronograph pushers being able to be pushed underwater. The only watch that can do this is ther breitling sea avenger quartz chronongraph diver that uses magnetic switches on its pushers to keep case integrity.
When do they start talking about the watches?
I think that would be very, very helpful. Can only listen to this mumbling for so long.
Radium is safe as long as it isn't ingested. It has a half life of about 1000 years, so those watches will glow for a long time.
Fun fact, half-life of Radium is 1600 years...so half as radioactive sometime in the next milennium
My Ball Engineer Hydrocarbon DeepQuest=3,000 meters and chronometer. Automatic helium release valve. Titanium single block case
Nice podcast, but pity you didn t talk about the rolex deepsea...
Cameron or Matt would helium be present where someone could be saturation diving?
veins91 saturation divers breathe a mix of helium and oxygen in order to avoid nitrogen narcosis and oxygen toxicity (both problems that arise from breathing regular air while deep diving). Saturation divers spend many days living inside of a saturation chamber that is used as their home base during deep diving so that they only have to do one decompression cycle at the end of the entire assignment instead of decompressing after each individual dive. Saturation diving means that you are fully saturated and your decompression time has reached its cap. During that entire time they are surrounded by pressurized oxygen and helium which is small enough to work its way through the gaskets of a watch when under pressure. When they are ready for decompression the molecules of helium that got into their watch will enlarge. Hopefully they have a timepiece with a He valve to release that He, otherwise the crystal of the watch will pop of the front.
Helium valves are never needed for regular wet diving environments. They are only useful when in a saturation chamber or an atmospheric diving suit.
Sorry I totally hadn't got to the part where you explained all that in the show. I was only 15 minutes in when I commented. Thanks for the reply regardless!
Not that I recommend this, but I used to scuba dive with a Polar heart rate monitor watch (waterproof to 30m) down to about 30m/90ft and had no issues.
I used to go jumping on thin ice, go trough it and get back out of the freezing water for fun. Doesn't automatically mean its a good idea that anyone should ever do.. just saying.
A lot of people have great luck diving with cheap casios that are rated 30m, but you shouldn't bet your life on it working past the bottom of a kids pool.
Protip: digest the podcast faster by upping the playback speed to 1.25. Still sound natural!
The Tudors are 22mm lug width not 21
Tudor no longer has ETA movements. The Pelagos you are showing is an inhouse movement.
NorCal Globetrotter That's right, but Tudor only recently made moves to unique/ in-house movements. The vintage Tudor watches are where you will find the ETA movements.
True, but in this video he is showing the In House version and talking about ETA. I have the Inhouse version of this watch and the ETA version on the 36 BB w/o rotating bezel..
The USSR had an interesting solution to making their Vostok Amphibia series ISO compliant. Two piece "pie-pan" & screw down retainer ring on the back made it so the deeper you got- the more the case squeezed close against a wide flat gasket underneath and the watch got more and more sealed with pressure. As for the crystal- they used a lucite dome that wast made to act like an arch- squeezing tighter into its seating with more pressure. Classic Russian Engineering- elegant simple solutions to complex problems.
During the space race- the US spent millions developing a pen that would work in micro-gravity...the russians just brought pencils. (yes I understand the danger of graphite dust and sensitive electronics...just sayin. )
The Vostoks are great, really great design to keep water out at extreme debts. the watchback will permanently deform by the pressure way before it lets any water in... Never quite liked the crowns tho, I know it works great, but it just feels so incredibly cheap...
get the chef guy on the show fulltime
Saturation divers go down to
Is he wearing a RM ?
FYI, you're radioactive. So are bananas. When you fly in an airplane you're exposed to a lot of radiation. You definitely don't have to worry about old radium dials...
Matt and his meters and feet are confused frequently haha
Matt’s the kinda guy that starts a podcast about watches, but doesn’t know anything about watches
That's the best time to do it! Bring in an expert and make a living from learning. That's a feature, not a bug.
The new Tudors are in-house, not ETA
David Kononen, that is correct. However we were talking about Tudor before they withdrew from the US marketplace in the early 2000's.
Geat podcast guys. But Sinn also have oil-filled mechanical divers.
Casio duro. 40 bucks
gshock
A Rolex from the 60s worth 100 dollars in 2018 money that's $848.75 stop and it was all made cheaply with stamped clasps, Rolex fan boys
Sorry , but after being a watch collector for 25 years, since I was 20, this podcast is for newbies.. Have seen a few of the episodes and can't believe Mat's ignorance.
Well, he's American, so he's naturally going to be more vocal in what he says, but yes if you don't know something you really shouldn't let everybody else on earth know that.
That's why you should subscribe to the archieluxury channel!
Buwsur 😂😂😂😂😂
That's the whole point! I'm the student here, not the teacher. Cameron is the teacher. And yes! It is for newbies! We are trying to expand the hobby PAST people who are already insufferable nerds. Speaking of ignorance, MATT has 2 T's in it. Thanks!
That is why he has the expert with him. We need someone to ask the "stupid" questions.