Is Dark Deity Worth Buying?
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Dark Deity is a new tactics RPG developed by Sword & Axe LLC and published by Freedom Games. My copy was provided to me by the publishers.
Computer Specs:
Intel Core i5-9400F CPU @ 2.90GHz
RAM: 16 GB
64-bit operating system
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER
"Berwick Saga is the Dark Souls of Fire Emblem."
Bopper, NO!
As for actual decisions that seem final, the one I take most issue with is probably tying gold rewards to turn count. I get that it's trying to make turn count matter somehow, but I feel it hurts lower-skilled players that need more time to complete maps by giving less resources to the player long-term. I didn't think of the percentage modifiers being unintuitive but I do think they're often insignificant. A 20% bonus to defense is usually 1 or 2 points, so why not just provide a small flat bonus instead of a percentage?
Also, the -Dex debuff for dying is called "Missing Finger" which makes it tempting to try and get someone killed 11 times by the correct weapon type
Most games have systems that reward players for playing beyond what's required of them so I wouldn't say that is a unique issue and is more about how it is balanced than that it exists. I do in fact want to be rewarded for rushing in a taking risks I really shouldn't be, but not so much where I feel like I need to take those risks.
As for %modifiers, I think he's more referring to the armor types, who's 20% damage difference usually involves far larger differences in damage than the flat numbers suggest. My 6x2 might turn into 20x2 depending on what type of armor they are wearing even with similar defense stats. Combine that with high crit rates and a much larger diversity of damage, I never have moments where I can safely know that my unit will survive with 1 hp with just a few glances.
Achievement unlocked: Palmfighter
These are Blaseball strats and I must now pursue the negative fingers build
How to reward players is a really tough design problem. If you reward good play, then you risk either trivializing the later game for better players or under-preparing the worse players, which seems kind of backwards. If you instead reward bad play (catchup mechanics), then you risk better players handicapping themselves to get rewards. If you just don't reward players based on skill, then you risk good play not feeling satisfying or worth it.
To compare with Fire Emblem, while they (usually) aren't directly tied to turn count, there are often many great rewards that are tied to playing better or more quickly. Thieves will steal the good treasure and run, brigands will burn down the villages, etc. Worse players will end up with less good weapons, less money for supplies, less promotion items, basically worse off in every way. It is certainly one of the contributing factors to earlier FE games being less beginner-friendly, and while modern games have added grinding to alleviate the issue, it's more of a band-aid than a real fix.
@@DoggyP00 why should a strategy game reward recklessness?
my main issue is really just a nitpick but the OST just,,,, doesn't do anything for me? idk, maybe i've been spoiled by fire emblem but none of the music in dark deity really stands out to me, and it makes the strategic gameplay feel all the more monotonous with the generic background music looping over and over
I agree, at a few points I just turned the music off and put on my own; Like the gameplay is great and all but the music can get more than a little infuriating at times.
Cant expect 1 dev to be incredible at everything.
Put some FE music over it, problem solved
It's not fair to compare it to FE. But it's something that scratch that itch in the wait for the next FE.
@@evrys3221 still should criticize, tough love improves games
The game was super rough on launch, it really should have had a few more weeks of dev, maybe with more rigorous testing. That being said the devs seem to really care, and the patches they've put out so far have already fixed a lot of my most major problems with the game.
I think in like a week's time when they've polished everything up nicely, it'll definitely be a game worth recommending. Its just a shame it launched how it did.
I mean, it's an indie game, and I believe the first game from this studio. I doubt they could have really afforded the kind of large-scale playtesting that would be required to have a perfect launch. This is a situation where I think it's reasonable for early adopters to double as beta testers; as long as the devs are diligent about listening to feedback and implementing fixes and changes, the game will likely be in good shape very soon.
@@alxjones You know, I agree with you to an extent, but it can't be understated just HOW ROUGH things were on launch. It was as if it was pushed out the door with no playtesting whatsoever. Which is strange, considering just how damn dedicated the team's single programmer has been since release.
If you want my *conspiracy theory*, the publisher rushed the game out the door to capitalize on the post E3 market. And apparently it worked, because the game seems to have sold pretty well.
@@halowaffle25 To me, it doesn't play like a game with no playtesting, it plays like a game with *dev* playtesting. When developers test their own game, they tend to be blind to a lot of issues. Missing tutorials and poor UI/UX are the hallmarks of this kind of testing, and were some of the worst issues I saw.
On the other hand, your theory is a very popular one because it makes a lot of sense. I can't say for sure one way or the other, it could even be both. All I know is that I feel it's okay to be a bit more forgiving of a rough launch for a tiny indie dev's first game than we otherwise might be. Doubly so *because* we're seeing how much they're listening to the players and working hard to fix things as they come up.
This were my years of experience come in handy. I'm a professional software tester (both manual and automated testing) and I can confirm many things that have been said here
1. This game does seem dev tested. The reason big companies hire external specialized testing teams is to increase the coverage of edge cases that developers often ignore.
2. Testing is expensive. In fact is a lot more expensive than people think sometimes it even costs more than the development (talking in general about software, not limited to games) so I can understand how a small studio would be unable to hire a testing team
3. More week at in-house testing would have benn useless, developers most likely tested the same areas over and over again and as such fell in to the pesticide paradox (one of The principles of testing) wich means that the software developed "resistance" to their tested because they kept running the same test and each time they found less and less bugs. Feeling that the game was ready for release
4. This is not testing related but I really liked this game even more after analyzing it this way, working for a big company makes you realize how much money can do to solve your business problems and ensure "customers satisfaction" even if your product has no soul. Seeing small dev teams struggling to get this amazing project is amazing and I will fully support them. Also there's a bond between two characters where they talk about micro-transactions and they just won me over with that
The game is super rough right now even beyond the things Bopper mentioned there are also issues with skills not working correctly or at all and weird discrepancies between displayed hit/avoid/damage values and the actual calculations (for example 100% misses).
That being said as someone who is up to chapter 15 on hard the game is quite interesting and fun. The devs put in a good amount of effort in making each chapter different from the last in both design, objective, and enemy composition and it definitely makes the wide range of classes stand out more. Personally I'd recommend waiting for the game to receive a patch to at least fix the things that are outright broken and hopefully also make some qol changes.
i wonder if the game is that hard on the deity difficulty , what do you think ?
Also i find it hard to understand what class do , especialy when you don't have the class in question. When you click on a enemy unit, you have all of these stat but you don''t see any of their passive , so it's hard to see what they are doing in particular other than their stat and weapons .It's like they really have no passive , i don't understand , i'm kinda lost to this point . What the point of having enemy classes if they are just skin and nothing else but armor/weapon type ?
the animation seems to be good, but the maps just look like rpg maker maps made with default assets. Really odd compared to the high quality portraits and stuff
Ahh my favorite Sun Tzu quote made it to a Bopper video. Good vibes.
Yeah, the issues plaguing the game makes it really hard to get invested in the gameplay. Some units get off-grid and occupy two tiles at once (and the game crashes if theyre defeated while in that state, which is painful as heck when it happens to enemy units)
Overall I agree with you, there are a lot of small things that could have been polished before release, but overall I'm actually quite happy with this game and the fact that there's been 2 patches already fixing a lot of bugs and adding in some improvements makes me think this game is going to be in a REALLY good state in a month or two.
Also it's just really fun.
Regarding the whole Advantage System: I agree wholeheartedly on this, it's just a mess of numbers and equations that only serve to make the whole experience more confusing. I believe an SRPG's equations should be simple to understand and would preferably shy away from things like "this Unit deals 35% more damage to Chain armor but 10% less damage to Leather armor".
That said, one thing I'm thankful for is just how easy it is to ignore these if you're smart with your Promotion options and weapon Upgrades. A 20% damage reduction doesn't stop my Witch Hunter Garrick from damn near one-shotting several enemies with a Tier 4 War Bow, which I got as early as Ch 13 (there are 28 chapters total, as I understand it).
Of course, that's only a single example regarding a Unit that's already recognized as super strong, but my point is that I don't think the Advantage system should deter you, as you can pretty easily just ignore it altogether. It's only there to reward the players who choose to run the numbers to that degree.
I think permanent injury compared to permadeath is equally as thematically realistic but doesn't urge for a reset when you get 2% crit by a random enemy. To be honest, I think getting crit and then using that unit with a chip on their shoulder sounds way better for personal attachment than losing and forgetting them as you continue with the game.
Main thing that bugs me is the way the promotion happens. Specifically that when you reach the level you don’t see the character’s stats until after.
I don’t have a problem with the gold reward for turn count. I’m only at chapter 7 but so far it seems like just killing enemies gives plenty.
I wish I knew I could just rush the boss for the inn chapter.
Edit: turns out the promotion issue was patched yesterday. 👍
I really hope one day this comes to Switch. For now, I will support them on Steam
Yeah same, I wanna get it right now but my Laptop is too potato to handle anything gaming related
@@bb-chan4849 feel ya, same here
Does anybody know if there are plans for it to be released on switch?
@@javgamer722 yes.
I lost half my army -> minor mistakes and bad luck...
Yoo, I love the Langrisser 1 music!
I just got this game from indieio humble bundle and it reminds me a lot of fire emblem a lot more than the other arpgs in the bundle dream tactics, symphony of war. This game is the hardest! I ended up following a guide and balanced weapons is the best because it increases their dodge rate crucial to survive because there are way too many enemies!
The gold bonus for completing chapters faster makes sense to me in that, each chapter you get some gold at the end from defeated enemies, looting the area, etc., and if you take longer to finish the battle, the more it costs you in upkeep for your army and whatnot. So the reward at the end is what you gained minus upkeep costs, which is lower if you end battles quicker. I know it's never explained this way in game, but I've played other games where they have a similar mechanic explained that way, and it's what immediately came to mind when I saw that popup in chapter 4.
Just to add to the "being patched once" thing, they're doing patches everyday right now, so I dont think it will be long until most of these small issues are resolved
For example, the box not fitting to the edge of the screen thing has been dealt with on yesterdays patch I think
No, I'm pretty sure Berwick Saga is the best Fire Emblem game.
Hey Bopper, what GPU do you have? I didn't see one listed in your specs, but I saw you have a 9400f, which doesn't have integrated graphics, and now I'm curious haha
Hearing you so positive makes me wonder if I'm not being too harsh on this game. Did you finish the game on either difficulty? I enjoyed it at first but the cracks and issues became much more prevalent mid to late game IMO. There are some unbelievably bad maps and decisions that I feel like would warrant discussion, but again maybe I'm being harsh.
The game is in a rough spot guys, i don't recommend it to get it rn. Besides releasing it in this state is kind of dirty tbh.
Wait for futures updates and see what they do if you are still interested.
That langrisser soundtrack...
nice bgm choice
When you get a prof. Bopper video while watching a prof. Bopper video
Neat! I'll have to watch your vod for this game too! ...whenever I have time again 😂 looks fun!
Thanks bopster!
When I first saw some Fire Emblem youtubers talk about how this game was being made, I was pretty interested. Now that I see actual gameplay, I’m still interested. But I do think there are too many problems with the game. But if the developers are invested in making the game better like most comments say, I might just wait a few more months and get it later.
4 set weapons with unlimited uses? Bruh, that would've saved me at least 77 hours of item management in Three Houses, albeit it's a trade for customization
Just got it for switch and it's a little slow for me so far. But need to play more
It looks fun, not sure if it’s a $25 game but I’d prolly get it at $10 or $15
should we really call you bops now ? Either way ive seen a few screenshots of late game maps which arent looking finished at all.
So i might just let it update and buy it when its all done and shiny.
I'll call him BOPS from now on . BOPS HYPE
Now that I think about it, the stat penalty for being defeated in this game reminds me of Warsaw and its injury mechanic, Warsaw being a game similar to the Eldritch RPG Darkest Dungeon. So honestly, I can't help but feel like Warsaw and Dark Deity are kinda in the same boat as far as their inspiration becoming their identity goes. Except for you know, the quality of game. That is a point I'ma leave untouched for I haven't played Dark Deity, but it does sound kinda bad.
Jesus, you call that similar?
I just checked it on Steam, and it looks like a straight rip off, the entire style just imitated, the combat, and even the goddamn animations.
It's so depressing that even indie creators would just rip off other indie creators this much.
You could so easily make a very similar game to Darkest Dungeon that feels like a love letter, instead of such a blatant copy you'd expect to see on the Google Play store.
You literally don't have to imitate the style of DD, it's clearly not necessary for the game to work and they had their own good ideas, so either the artist or someone else just said "Yeah, make it identical to Darkest Dungeon".
@@mauvedragontiddies9244 I mean, in art style it is definitely similar, but I have seen the game itself and there was definitely some genuine care put into it. Feels like there would be none if they truly set out to copy all the important things and then just make the more minor things themselves like the numbers of moves and equipment. However, you aren't wrong on indie games, they can copy each other to the point of plagiarism because there usually isn't much to stop them other than the people and fans, which is not a lot for most indie games, only the popular ones.
4:45 I think there is a lot value in giving a lot of information to the player in a strategy game, but also by having mechanics and events that the player has no information or control over the game can test player flexibility, fire emblem does this really well with things like randomized player and enemy growths.
Warsong ost? Nice!
Haven't watched the video but as someone who bought and played the game I'll say no, it's not worth buying. It's full of non stop glitches. Also the mechanic that a character loses stats if they're knocked out in combat is stupid.
hell ye Langrisser music
I must say, I'd prefer it if instead of a stat penality (or in addition to it), they should've also reduced Growth rates a little bit with each death. This would've been a long term punishment that intensifies you to still not let your units die too often.
I have finished this game recently, and game starts cracking near the end. Devs definitely rushed this game to release prior to E3, and it is not just technical problems. Map design is questionable, some classes are just way ahead of others(My Bianca could solo entire maps in a late game because the had self-healing in tier 2 class, and got 1-2 range in tier 3 class, this is awakening nosferatu-tank level definition of broken). Some realy strange desicions like 2-3 range archers being useless because for whatever reason 2 range enemies can counter you on a 3 range, armor based effectivnes are not intuitive(like why spear fighters arent effective against mounted enemies?), disarm assist is misleading and almost useless, global trade system which is realy dumb. Maybe on a Deity mode this game can provide proper challenge, but i will not touch this game until devs will fix this game core problems.
Notif squad kek
It’s totally worth IMO
But what about waifus?
What about the maps that were supposedly completely unfinished in the late game?
And the Ost was never brought up. This much I saw as much on your streams.. It's repetitive, doesn't set tone well, and generally not very impressive. It very much takes away from what I'd expect from a game like this.
Map design also doesn't look fantastic. Even looking at like FE6, the maps are more interesting and do more unique things. - Enemy spam. Oh wait, this game does that, too.
I really like the game but I stopped playing simply because I can't stand the animation spritework. I know that's like the least important part for most people who like these games, but when the characters in the animations not only look nothing like their artwork but everything is so generic (and literally all the sprites are buff dudes, regardless of who the character is), it's really really cringeworthy for me.
Honestly, I'd only continue to play the game if they dropped a dlc or something that totally overhauls the sprites and makes them a bit more unique than just their hair changing...
cries in mac
I’m playing on a MacBook Pro via bootcamp and it’s running flawlessly so far for me(at least as flawlessly as the game can run) It’s a pain, but it might be an option for you.
imagine using mac to play games
The thing I’ve done most in life is be frustrated when games won’t run on Mac
i know you received this for free but like
no map design discussion is a little questionable
(the review window was kind of a mess, and it wasn't until later that I was able to play deeper into the game and saw the late game maps, and, yikes and oof)
Langaier music I see man a good taste
Wait so you ran RE8 without a video card????
Might as well have
I will say no. The artwork for topdown view are really bad.... the mechanics not that good either. You can even solo the game... not sure whether is that a good design. Tbh is worse than awakening in terms of that...
This game needs a major overhaul
What's your GPU?
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER
map design, music, sound effects, jarring cuts between battle scenes, elementary school level writing and story. all terrible. this is barely better than an amateurs attempt on RPG maker.
Dark deity (derogatory)
With a bland-ass name like this, it could be a triple-A all-star bomb of a game and I still wouldn't buy it for that mistake alone.
Shame, mate. Many of the best games I've ever played have app-store shovelware tier names. It's weird, but if anything, a terrible name seems like a good sign when it comes to games made by tiny inexperienced teams.
There's no GPU in those PC specs
Fixed!
commenting for the algoritm
Yeah sorry the game looks okay but it's not nearly as good as Berwick Saga. Unsubbed, git gud.
nah, just a copy cat. or rather they tried to renovate fireemblem but fail. The biggest issue is no variations in weapons to use. some of fire emblem fun lie in secret encounter to get weapon, etc. FE is a much better rpg game. this game feels cheap
You are literally saying it’s copying Fire Emblem but your biggest issue with it is being different from Fire Emblem. Your criticism genuinely sounds like it was made by an algorithm.
@@Edgeperor wdym. i meant it as a failed copy cat as it they don't even have the basic fireemblem feel to it. is it just me or you are not understanding my comment?
@@longlee1100 So... Are you saying they copied FE and failed or they revamped it and failed?
Either way... That is a big opinion thing. I personally enjoy the weapon system more here than in FE.
>now I haven't beaten the game yet
Then you shouldn't have made this video?
Sorry lil bro
@@ProfessorBopper I imagine this is some weird attempt to "double down"
It's not very hard to not talk about things you're not well versed in, especially when just waiting would make your opinion infinitely more valuable.
It’s day 4 of the game’s release and there has been 3 patches currently. :)