Love listening to this while working a corporate dead end job, reminded of the generosity of my ultraliberal superiors for lending me my humble station.
It sucks, but it could be worse- it beats having around a secret police that has an arrest quota and is filled with people to whom torturing confessions out of innocent people is a perk of the job. Or, alternatively, you could live in China which combines the worst features of both. But hey, only for those unlucky to be born Chinese, so there's that.
@@IvanTre This sure says a lot about our society. There's no beauty in it anymore, just endless drudgery for someone else's benefit. Porn isn't any good, either, it saps your life energy away. One could say it's the worst trickster of them all because of how cleverly disguised he is.
Jamais vu. The opposite of déjà vu. Not *already* seen, but *never* seen. Everything that should be familiar appears strange and new. Like some half-forgotten day in your childhood, only *now*. That's the feeling you've been having. And for who knows how long? You should go and ask Joyce Messier about this -- what world are we in? This is the fundamental question.
Thanks for this - definitely one of my favorite songs on an OST packed with great tracks. It's the perfect mind-melting accompaniment to discovering the Pale. And even though I became an adherent of Mazovian Socio-Economics, I couldn't help but feel a connection with bourgeois, pale-addled Joyce (especially compared to slimy Evrart). I was sad to see her go.
@Kris Kolish she doesn't lie to you. She's a pretty bad person, standing in for corporatism and imperialism, but I don't remember her ever lying to you.
@@thatsbougie She lied to you about being a simple intermediary for Wild Pines rather than being a member of the board herself. And she'll also still force you to run her errands even if you find your badge despite her telling you the contrary initially. She may be half-insane, but she's still crafty.
I really love how this game handled Joyce (and Evrart too). Obvious spoilers below. If you asked me before playing "Hey, one character is an ultra-rich lady who wants for nothing and is hanging out sipping coffee on her yacht which she moored next to the ultra-poor slums of the city she quasi-betrayed, there to break a workers strike. And the other character is a union boss who lives out of a shipping container and aggressively fights for the rights of the workers in his union. Which will you side with?" the question would've received a pretty quick answer. And yet.... it was so much more than that. Both characters were handled extremely well. Joyce was unfailingly polite, never belittled you for your insane antics, helps you out financially without even a moment's hesitation and never seems to treat it like a bribe in future conversations. She wasn't entirely clear about her position for the company, but she openly confesses her other 'crimes' and it's clear they eat at her- the fact that she's part of a "ruling" class of ultra-wealthy whose wealth was, in part, due to their selling out of Revachol clearly weighs heavily on her, and she seems to genuinely feel for the people of the waterfront and want to avoid suffering as much as possible. But at the same time, as nice as she is, she IS part of a company that oppresses millions and gets fabulously wealthy off their suffering, and uses tactics like sending in paramilitary strikebreakers (she seems to disapprove of this action, but she's been on the board for a long time and this is NOT the first time that White Pines has sent strikebreakers- it's not even the first time they sent these exact 3 men!!). Meanwhile Evrart is a fat, slimy bastard who dangles things like your gun over your head, lies to you almost constantly, sneers at you and insults your intelligence regularly, and uses you as tools in his strike. He would be perfectly ok if thousands of union members got killed just to create bad PR for White Pines, and seems genuinely happy that someone killed the merc since it escalates the conflict. He's blatantly and proudly corrupt, seeming to care only about how to advance his own prestige and finances. And yet... I get the sense that's a bit of an act. He makes you THINK he only cares about money, but it's mostly to use you as a tool. And he really DOES seem to care about the waterfront genuinely, more than almost any other character shown in the game. He seems to be an "ends justify the means" kind of character, and as terrible as his plans might have ended up, his little gambit to play brinksmanship with Joyce paid off massively. Could it be that he really WASN'T ok with all of the death that might've occurred, but was confident Joyce would be even less ok with it than him, and thus he knew she'd back down first? His plan really DOES seem to be the first real step towards a free Revachol that's been made in over 50 years. And yet, I was so angry when I realized I'd been used as a tool, just like Harry probably would be too. Damn, such a good game.
I remember thinking for hours afterwards about the theoretical situation of something as existentially threatening as the Pale existing in reality. Would we live life differently with the knowledge of such a thing existing? Would we try to stop it from happening or at least try everything to further that goal even if we wouldn't live to see the ultimate award achieved? Or would a majority of people just go on with their everyday squabbles. Blissfully blind to the real dread of existence and just living life in the moment? And which way would be the better way to live ultimately?
@@MultiYoshiman While I understand the sentiment behind your comment, I would say the life threatening climate/ environmental situation that we live in today is a tad different than the prospect of an ever-expanding void threatening to negate the very prospect of existence itself.
How about the prospect of the sun exploding then, or the expansion of the universe potentially collapsing? Our existence is fundamentally based on your own perception of the world around us and our ability to sense it. We are hanging in uncertainty by virtue of not knowing what can happen tomorrow, but knowing that it'll be negated before long, no matter what we accomplished, unless we manage to leave the milkyway altogether.
Global Warming, universe expansion (reverse of the pale really), technological ascendency.. Humanity has so many running timers it chooses to ignore, that we all prefer to ignore. The pale is just so exotic it forces to assimilate the whole concept all at once, like learning about the whole global warming thing all at once 20y from now, like a newborn kid; could be traumatic and incomprehensible.
You have a Pale right above your head. an expanse of nothing, a place where not even sound can travel. your lungs collapse because there's nothing to fill them and blood stops and cracks for the absence of heat. and the only thing keeping us from that is our dying atmosphere. basically gas. not a barrier, a wall, or some planetary armor: just air, electrical fields, and gravity. not only that but with the kind monsters lurking above us is mere luck intelligent life has survived for that long. a quasar could have a burst of energy and kill us right at this moment and we won't even notice it. all gone in a blink. and besides all of that, we are probably going to traverse that hell, judging by how things are going on here. it is either that, or waiting for the earth to become another mass of nothingness in the Pale.
The first track of the OST I heard in the times I didn't even know nothing about Disco Elysium and wasn't interested in it. Then and now I think it sounds... divine, transcendental. Like something that accompanies great and pretentious church, as I first thought when I heard it Now, when I know the context, I understand why this tone fits perfectly to the character. Joyce is the only person we could actually ask about world's structure and its grimm...
This feels like the neutral themes of Shin Megami Tensei - another game series that involves using many different demons (like the internal voices in Disco Elysium) to accomplish goals in accordance with alignments (in Disco, the Union, the Coalition and etc, which corresponds to SMT's Law/Neutral/Chaos system).
>learns about the nothingness consuming the world
>this plays in the background
>dissociates
The music is just perfect for reading about the Pale.
Hearing of the Pale while also having this choir in the background feels suffocating. Do it again.
Love listening to this while working a corporate dead end job, reminded of the generosity of my ultraliberal superiors for lending me my humble station.
It sucks, but it could be worse- it beats having around a secret police that has an arrest quota and is filled with people to whom torturing confessions out of innocent people is a perk of the job.
Or, alternatively, you could live in China which combines the worst features of both. But hey, only for those unlucky to be born Chinese, so there's that.
@@IvanTre *looks at american cops*
Also, M O R A L I S T DETECTED
@@caelvanir8557 American cops have nothing on the Stasi and NKVD
@@IvanTre This sure says a lot about our society. There's no beauty in it anymore, just endless drudgery for someone else's benefit. Porn isn't any good, either, it saps your life energy away. One could say it's the worst trickster of them all because of how cleverly disguised he is.
@@caelvanir8557 I'm not a moralist.
Jamais vu. The opposite of déjà vu. Not *already* seen, but *never* seen. Everything that should be familiar appears strange and new. Like some half-forgotten day in your childhood, only *now*. That's the feeling you've been having. And for who knows how long? You should go and ask Joyce Messier about this -- what world are we in? This is the fundamental question.
I forgive you, but only because you're charming.
I am the vilest of the vile. A traitor, a devourer of nations and infants... I am an Ultra.
DIOS MÍO! A liberal!
DIOS MIO! A LIBERAL!
"I forgive you - but only because you're charming"
Thanks for this - definitely one of my favorite songs on an OST packed with great tracks. It's the perfect mind-melting accompaniment to discovering the Pale. And even though I became an adherent of Mazovian Socio-Economics, I couldn't help but feel a connection with bourgeois, pale-addled Joyce (especially compared to slimy Evrart). I was sad to see her go.
same. there was something really poignant about the game giving you a chance to "forgive her".
@Kris Kolish she doesn't lie to you. She's a pretty bad person, standing in for corporatism and imperialism, but I don't remember her ever lying to you.
@@thatsbougie She lied to you about being a simple intermediary for Wild Pines rather than being a member of the board herself. And she'll also still force you to run her errands even if you find your badge despite her telling you the contrary initially. She may be half-insane, but she's still crafty.
@@deadeye415 Missed that she was a member of the Board, never discovered that for myself.
I really love how this game handled Joyce (and Evrart too). Obvious spoilers below. If you asked me before playing "Hey, one character is an ultra-rich lady who wants for nothing and is hanging out sipping coffee on her yacht which she moored next to the ultra-poor slums of the city she quasi-betrayed, there to break a workers strike. And the other character is a union boss who lives out of a shipping container and aggressively fights for the rights of the workers in his union. Which will you side with?" the question would've received a pretty quick answer. And yet.... it was so much more than that. Both characters were handled extremely well.
Joyce was unfailingly polite, never belittled you for your insane antics, helps you out financially without even a moment's hesitation and never seems to treat it like a bribe in future conversations. She wasn't entirely clear about her position for the company, but she openly confesses her other 'crimes' and it's clear they eat at her- the fact that she's part of a "ruling" class of ultra-wealthy whose wealth was, in part, due to their selling out of Revachol clearly weighs heavily on her, and she seems to genuinely feel for the people of the waterfront and want to avoid suffering as much as possible. But at the same time, as nice as she is, she IS part of a company that oppresses millions and gets fabulously wealthy off their suffering, and uses tactics like sending in paramilitary strikebreakers (she seems to disapprove of this action, but she's been on the board for a long time and this is NOT the first time that White Pines has sent strikebreakers- it's not even the first time they sent these exact 3 men!!).
Meanwhile Evrart is a fat, slimy bastard who dangles things like your gun over your head, lies to you almost constantly, sneers at you and insults your intelligence regularly, and uses you as tools in his strike. He would be perfectly ok if thousands of union members got killed just to create bad PR for White Pines, and seems genuinely happy that someone killed the merc since it escalates the conflict. He's blatantly and proudly corrupt, seeming to care only about how to advance his own prestige and finances. And yet... I get the sense that's a bit of an act. He makes you THINK he only cares about money, but it's mostly to use you as a tool. And he really DOES seem to care about the waterfront genuinely, more than almost any other character shown in the game. He seems to be an "ends justify the means" kind of character, and as terrible as his plans might have ended up, his little gambit to play brinksmanship with Joyce paid off massively. Could it be that he really WASN'T ok with all of the death that might've occurred, but was confident Joyce would be even less ok with it than him, and thus he knew she'd back down first? His plan really DOES seem to be the first real step towards a free Revachol that's been made in over 50 years. And yet, I was so angry when I realized I'd been used as a tool, just like Harry probably would be too.
Damn, such a good game.
Praise For Whatever - British Sea Power
Man, i’m big fan of BSP and never made the association with this song. Thank you!
I remember thinking for hours afterwards about the theoretical situation of something as existentially threatening as the Pale existing in reality. Would we live life differently with the knowledge of such a thing existing? Would we try to stop it from happening or at least try everything to further that goal even if we wouldn't live to see the ultimate award achieved? Or would a majority of people just go on with their everyday squabbles. Blissfully blind to the real dread of existence and just living life in the moment? And which way would be the better way to live ultimately?
the pale is basically global warming, so we're living through that reality rn
@@MultiYoshiman While I understand the sentiment behind your comment, I would say the life threatening climate/ environmental situation that we live in today is a tad different than the prospect of an ever-expanding void threatening to negate the very prospect of existence itself.
How about the prospect of the sun exploding then, or the expansion of the universe potentially collapsing? Our existence is fundamentally based on your own perception of the world around us and our ability to sense it. We are hanging in uncertainty by virtue of not knowing what can happen tomorrow, but knowing that it'll be negated before long, no matter what we accomplished, unless we manage to leave the milkyway altogether.
Global Warming, universe expansion (reverse of the pale really), technological ascendency.. Humanity has so many running timers it chooses to ignore, that we all prefer to ignore. The pale is just so exotic it forces to assimilate the whole concept all at once, like learning about the whole global warming thing all at once 20y from now, like a newborn kid; could be traumatic and incomprehensible.
You have a Pale right above your head. an expanse of nothing, a place where not even sound can travel. your lungs collapse because there's nothing to fill them and blood stops and cracks for the absence of heat. and the only thing keeping us from that is our dying atmosphere. basically gas. not a barrier, a wall, or some planetary armor: just air, electrical fields, and gravity. not only that but with the kind monsters lurking above us is mere luck intelligent life has survived for that long. a quasar could have a burst of energy and kill us right at this moment and we won't even notice it. all gone in a blink. and besides all of that, we are probably going to traverse that hell, judging by how things are going on here. it is either that, or waiting for the earth to become another mass of nothingness in the Pale.
DIOS MIOS A LIBERAL! *Makes a cross in the air with his hand*
It is incredible with what kind of video game we've been blessed with
The first track of the OST I heard in the times I didn't even know nothing about Disco Elysium and wasn't interested in it. Then and now I think it sounds... divine, transcendental. Like something that accompanies great and pretentious church, as I first thought when I heard it
Now, when I know the context, I understand why this tone fits perfectly to the character. Joyce is the only person we could actually ask about world's structure and its grimm...
Strong Planescape: Torment vibes from this track
This feels like the neutral themes of Shin Megami Tensei - another game series that involves using many different demons (like the internal voices in Disco Elysium) to accomplish goals in accordance with alignments (in Disco, the Union, the Coalition and etc, which corresponds to SMT's Law/Neutral/Chaos system).
song makes the world making me wanna die feel less like wanting to die and more like being corrupted by the hell we're in
(in a shit way)
Joyce Music
It's like a choir of lawful neutral angels... there is no justice here, but you must obey.
The way that blue cloud located right above Kim's eye. I can't stop thinking how it makes him look like sans
jesus
The incarnation of capitalism..
I'm scared of her..
Her iron grip..
It's too much cold..
This is fantastic! Could you possibly upload the song that plays when you talk to measurehead?
Can you do Evrart please?
Perhaps later this week if I get the time :)
While I tend toward the centrist or the communist route in the game... Joyce is legitimately my favorite character in the game.