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Gasoline superusers, EV drivers drive less, incentives for high mileage drivers to switch to Aptera
I agree. Efficiency is the cake, solar is the frosting.
...and being fun to drive means you get to have your cake and eat it too.
The winds are blowing in favor of Aptera Motors. Validation will come soon, then production, which really should be called assembly, will begin. Once the first 1000 are on the road, the heads will be turning and the world will discover what we already know. Steve, aka #31, it is the dawning of a new era, Tesla started the ev revolution, but Aptera is getting a more efficient vehicle out there, and it will be everything we have hoped for, maybe more.
Excellent that you applaud others who cover the Aptera's journey, because you have been doing so for three years, not being jealous, instead cheering, which is great to see.
Your channel is a great service to the fans of Aptera, and Aptera is better off because of your commentary. Thanks Steve for doing this job, with class, and logic.
Well said, can’t help but admire and appreciate Steve’s diligence, expertise and objectivity.
Yes! Chris McCammon, Quincy, and Audra have been giving up some weekends to make it all happen! Exciting stuff.
I have also randomly run across more Aptera pending news from contacts I have in the supplier industry that go back to my days of quality control work. There is a lot of exciting news in the pipeline!
That's exciting Bruce, thank you!
Looking forward to hearing all the details.
CPC is still working on the assembly jigs. The first PI builds will be shipped by air. This is all confirmed.
Makes sense to expedite shipping for the PI builds. Everyone's itching to see the results!
is there an ETA when that will be done, or if they are having any significant issues making the jigs?
@RomanChaar Jigs are close to completion, CPC has been working on them since late last year. Working on the first rolling chassis. After jigs are completed, assembly will be quite quick.
Let’s go Aptera!
Aging wheels channel is pretty big 360k. But the dude has the best videos about weird ass small cars.
Robert could be talking about buffet sushi and types of driveway gravel and I would still be entertained
@@merrickhurst4150 Having lived in Japan for several years and presently the owner of a gravel driveway, so would I! LOL!
One thing that Robert picked up well is that cabin heating have relatively big impact on range. That's because of insanely good driving efficiency.
I recall a comment by Chris Anthony, I believe, that the cabin is like a thermos, given the carbon body. I would think that would be great for HVAC and thus less of an impact on range.
The aging wheels vid was great!
Good to see more Aptera PR happening....
Great recognition of arguably the best video I’ve seen on the Aptera. I would not be surprised if CPC is making adjustments on how to ensure the panels meet up properly which could be causing the delay. Actual production performance can easily add unexpected variation vs. intended design and stack of tolerances become a concern.
Especially important to get the jigs right. Glad Aptera/CPC is conscientious and taking the time to do so. QA at this point is ETREMELY important. All arm chair quarterbacks should recognize this and applaud the effort and be patient. Better to take the time to do it right the first time in lieu of having to do it a second or third time.
@@johnmalcom9159 They cannot afford not to
The videos share info we already know, but they are informing a larger audience. The news snippets are free advertising, and especially good when they have correct info and are so positive in support for Aptera. The other factory visit videos are great for the next step of Aptera enthusiast, as they show someone getting their first actual drive in an Aptera prototype, their good impressions, and some related facts that allow people to compare the future Aptera to other EVs and gas powered cars. I am really looking forward to seeing these kinds of reviews on the completed, production intent models hopefully coming out soon. I expect that it may take a month or two to see those developed models on CA roads, because the ones being built for formal reviews will need to have all components functional, from the full solar, to the updated cooling system, charging system, HVAC, interior, cameras, displays and full electronics. That is a LOT to get together from all of the various vendors, and get it all working flawlessly.
No big car company wants aptera launching...it's imperative that they do it as soon as possible. They won't need to market the car after. The car will sell itself.
A carbon fiber aerodynamic EV made by a big car company makes too much sense 😔
@@johnmalcom9159 I'm guessing they think that because they know most people go for four seaters in case they want to driver 4 other people.
It’s great to see everything getting boiled down “correctly” by the media for a change. Really nice to see the tide turn in that regard. That said, I’d hesitate to call CPC “the hold up”. I think the decision to transport via air and abandon the containers necessitated roll-on/roll-off capabilities for each chassis. I’m guessing this decision was made sometime in 4Q23.
I think the hold up to going to full production is getting the capital for the extra machines to do the batteries and solar components. Sure you can stamp a body out in 12 minutes but from what the factory tour at the EVA confernece seemed to tell us that the other components take longer to produce for a vehicle than 12 minutes, so you need more machines to keep up for the supply chain. IMO, I wouldn't doubt that they may need three shifts for those other parts and assembly just two.
@@artboymoyYes, for example the solar panels. By Aptera's own admission, even w/ a 5x expansion of the solar fab, they'll only be able to make 12.5 full solar Aptera per day. (here's the math: 1 solar fab line = 10 panels a day, 5 solar fab lines = 50 panels a day, 1 full solar Aptera requires 4 panels, 50 panels per day divided by 4 panels per full solar Aptera = 12.5 full solar Aptera per day) (Note: it isn't clear if the 10 panels per day is from the expected 2 shifts or just 1. If it's from just 1 shift then it's 25 full solar Aptera per day with 5 solar fab lines.)
I watch all Aging Wheels videos. The guy has a collection of obscure and, in some cases, terrible cars. He builds battery packs and he converted a lead acid powered zero turn lawn mower to LFP batteries. He's very intelligent and interesting to watch. I agree that his Aptera review and drive video is, probably, one of the best.
Them: "Three wheels gliding down the road like a bird,..."
Me: *suddenly very concerned that I actually have no idea what a bird is*
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Roadrunner?
Aptera means "wingless".
Roadrunner!
Love Aging Wheels, glad he finally reviewed it!
All great promos for the Aptera. As has been mentioned here and elsewhere, I wish they (Aptera and influencers) would downplay the 1,000 mile capability or at least add the caveat that it's a few years away. Focus on the capabilities of the Launch Edition: the solar, the efficiency, the price, the looks, and the 400-mile range and that things are looking good for deliveries beginning late this year or early next year.
I hear what you are saying, but given that zero cars of any range have been built so far, the 100 kWh is only a little bit more theoretical than the 40 kWh version. And talking about 1000 mile range is a great way to signal that there is something different about this car, something that the non-EV person will understand.
@DrTeeHenry, I was all about shouting out the 1,000 mile version. Now I cringe every time I hear it. Focus on the launch edition. It is amazing in itself. Just survive, please!
@@dougbrittsan-yn9sl- Just keep saying “1000 mile charge and 40 mile solar” three times and click your heels. It then becomes true.
Aging wheels is a great channel!
Also good to see Fox highlighting the company. It would be tragic if partisanship gets in the way of EV adoption. There's so many benefits to EVs and the Aptera even for someone who doesn't care at all about the environment.
Great video Steve.
Please post links to videos in description ...
Done!
And since it is more efficient, even if you don't use purely solar energy, when charging you're still going to aid the environment by consuming less energy per mile and maybe even increasing the rate of charge by a large amount. I REALLY want them to nail this and change the field.
Thanks Steve… I agree… these were all good ones!
Hey April is Earth Day Month so it would be a good time for the PI update, for the sEV Aptera.
( Solterra, which means Sun- Earth, a good name for an early full solar Aptera model.😉)
Solterra is the name of the community we are building in now. I offered the builder the opportunity to have a “Meet a Solar EV i. Aptera in Solterra “at one of their Open House events. I.e. Parked and , “ solar charging “ at our place ! Being in a Solar 9 zone… free solar power generation on the Aptera should impress! My driveway faces SW! If I get my Accelerate Aptera Launch Edition end of 2024 maybe I plan to share then or early 2025. Otherwise I might host an AZ EVA meeting there. I haven’t decided yet if I will install PV solar here ( like on our past homes ) But that would be a nice complement. I like to realize my PV installation payback “while I am living under the roof”! That was the case of the last two homes. But….How many more years do I have 😞😉? I
My friend knows I’m an accelerator and I’ve told him about it over and over, but until he saw the last aging wheels video and now he wants to order one.
I want to give my personal thanks to every Accelerator!
Thanks for providing these excellent examples of Aptera media coverage. Good to see succinct, factual, coverage of the key features. Consistent and factual with no speculation or assumptive copy. No exaggerated, unsubstantiated claims. Hope this kind of coverage replaces the uninformed pro and con posts that we have seen to this point by individuals and organizations.
I sure wish the front windshield was a see-thru PV panel too…bring the total output to 1,000 watts. 🌞⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Except that with the low efficiency of see through PV panels, the total power would likely go from 700 Watts to 750 Watts, NOT 1000. Most of the modest power gain from the PV windshield would be lost for the dashboard panel, so my 750 Watt guess might be a bit optimistic.
@@wingsounds13Don't count on even the 700 watts. Remember, a "full solar" Aptera will have 700 watts worth of solar cells. That's not the same thing as 700 watts of charging power.
@@alainchuzel8341acknowledged and already understood.
@@alainchuzel8341VERY good point.
@@alainchuzel8341yes. But just like in system that you would install on the ground or on roof, you don't down grade it's wattage rating based on how much sunlight that it will receive and power it will produce. A 700 Watt system is a 700 watt system. Calculators like the NREL'S PVWATTs calculator can help you predict how well they will perform at a given geography and inclination to the sun over the course of a year.
OMG the "Aging Wheels" guy is hilarious! Just watched some other videos from his channel. Very good technical content, and very entertaining too.
I have recently started watching Aging Wheels - Robert Dunn is a great TH-camr, as well.
Great exposure. Thanks for sharing
Anybody that puts thought into the aptera would buy it
I've noticed a lot more coverage on news programs since January. I consider this a good sign that Aptera is on schedule. They would be encouraging a marketing oush to get the Aptera into the public eye if they were expecting a release in 6-10 months. It's far enough out to build expectations, but not two or three years away.
On the pther hand, it may simply be that with the Accelerator program ended, they want to keep the publicity going in a new form. But this appears to be focused on sales, while previously the ficus was on investment.
Aptera marketing deserves kudos for the work they are doing now with a small staff and limited budget. Good to see young people performing at such a high level
@@johnmalcom9159 We know that some of them gave up their weekend to see Robert!
smart to target off-grid preppers
All good stuff. Thanks for sharing!
...not unexpected. My brother lives in Texas. They are #2 behind California in wind energy generation and a "red" state. Red, blue, green, whatever none of us should sell Aptera short of being sensible. My only hope is one group over another doesn't claim it is mainly for them...
Oh yeah? Well my brother lives in Tennessee where they #2 behind Texas in BBQ. His neighbor is named Ted. He loves pizza and loves the Dogers. But BBQ or no BBQ, I think everyone should stand behind the Aptera.
The Aging Wheels video is excellent.
Thanks for bringing to light the "other people" that are helping Aptera. Them be some pretty big talking points.
I'm still seeing thumbnail/clickbait ads on the web version of the Seattle Times. I wonder how much we're spending?
I'm surprised Fox News did a segment on the Aptera and spoke positively about it, considering how negative they used to be on all EVs, last I knew.
Local Fox news channel! Not the national channel.
Those are paid adverts made to look like a news story. Quite common in the industry.
Go watch the rest of the videos by aging wheels too. On his last video he rebuilt another 3 wheeled vehicle.
This ageing wheels guy is a hoot. He will find weird car like Soviet Union era rolling pieces of crap and do a cheerful upbeat review.
I’m surprised that Aptera is being so public with their release date. Before, release dates were on their website or videos watched by less than 50k people. Being so public with their release date is akin to a promise. Tons of pressure on them now.
Compare with Tesla's multiple release dates for the Cybertruck. Aptera is no different.
@@n.brucenelson5920- Tesla actually makes product and sells them globally. They have done it for years. Aptera has one building that’s still a prototyping shop with no pre production vehicles. So people would trust Tesla over Aptera. Maybe in 10 years people trust Aptera. It takes time to build that trust and for people to know that it can be delayed.
@n.brucenelson5920 please don’t be a contrarian. With all due respect, we are on the same side. I’m saying Aptera is not like Tesla. IMHO I just think that Aptera will deliver even if just finishing 1 on New Year’s Eve in 2024.
@@dougbrittsan-yn9sl Sorry. I didn't mean for my post to be taken as contrarian . I agree and appreciate your faith in and support for Aptera!
Steve, You don't think what Chris the cyber guy said at ~1:02 was a "glaring inaccuracy"?
Yeah that's a stretch. You'd probably have to be going 7mph on a flat road with no headwind for that to be true
@@ApteraOwnersCluband getting > ~500 watts from the solar which won't happen much......
"Now so long as the sun is shining it'll automatically charge the onboard batteries without ever stopping to plug in." That sounds pretty misleading to me; I think a lot of people that watch that segment are going to think that the solar charge rate is as great or faster than the discharge rate of driving, and as he said as long as the sun is shining they can keep driving. Obviously that's not true but I think a lot of people that only see that segment are going to have the wrong idea.
You may be correct, but that is not actually what he said, and in California the solar gain will meet the mythical "average driver's" mileage needs. It might even meet my usual needs here in rural Iowa, even though my solar insolation is less than it would be in California, but so is my average driving distance in a small town where I can usually walk.
I can probably do the occasional round trip to Des Moines or even Kansas City on solar alone with a 400 mile EPA range Launch Edition.
@@n.brucenelson5920It's pretty much EXACTLY what he said......
@@bobhilder1469 Of course it isn't. I assume you are a native speaker of English? I shouldn't have to parse it for you if you are.
@@n.brucenelson5920"Now so as long the sun is shining it will automatically recharge the on board batteries without ever stopping to plug in". I assume you have your bifocals and/or hearing aid on/in. Either that or you have a different understanding of "that is not actually what he said"......
@@bobhilder1469- This is why I find many of these claims for Aptera are incorrect. It's like comparing it to a F1 car or Italian Supercar. In the end, just say it's solar, don't have to plug it in and 1000 mile range, seems to be what we hear over and over again. I also find many of the superfans try to weasel out of the claims one way or another.
Crazy thought. Maybe CPC hasn't shipped anything yet, because maybe the New owner of CPC (mitsubishi chemical) are focused on how CPC can help mitsubishi, and they don't have plans to move forward with aptera... hope that isnt the case but I have been wondering why NONE of the press around CPC aquisition mentions aptera (not 1 single time in any of the press around it)
It is much more likely that the promise of Aptera was what pushed Mitsubishi Chemical to increase its investment in CPC.
Mitsubishi could care less. All they want to know is if Aptera is paying the bills. If they are, then everything is OK. CPC is just a supplier for many components to many manufacturers. Aptera is just one of them.
@@billsmith5960 As a supplier, Mitsubishi Chemical has a stake in Aptera's success. At the moment, Aptera has more potential to grow the demand for Mitsubishi's SMC and carbon fiber products than any other customer they have. I am surprised that you think otherwise!
On the other hand, I have experience living in Japan to the extent I speak Japanese, and have done lots of business there even after I moved back to the US. I guess it is not surprising that you don't understand the relationship.that Japanese companies like to forge with their partners.
@@n.brucenelson5920- I have worked with Japanese companies many times. It comes down to trust. If Aptera can build up that trust, then they are happy. So far, there’s not been too much progress and nothing out on the road to demonstrate what this will do. You are assuming Aptera will do this. That is something the Japanese do not like. You know this as you are the expert here.
well, my little eniro is going away and i just came back from the tesla dealer.... i dont want a tesla, i want my aptera!! c'mon guys beat the minions harder!
The "minions" are doing a fantastic job and the Apterae we will get will be far higher quality than what was originally proposed.
It just takes money to make them work harder. Then working harder is not the same as working smarter and hiring top talent to manage those smarter minions.
@@billsmith5960 We already see many of the current employees giving up weekends - with impressive results due to their good work.
Pretty sure your tracking site you highlighted is for sea only. We know they are flying the initial PI over (crazy expensive but time is money).
2:20 - being compared to a bird. Far better than a catfish like some of the more technical comparisons. I think the first one I remember was a technology documentary on curiosity stream
I used abetterrouteplanner to compare an Aptera 400 & 600 to a Tesla 3 for a 700 mile trip and noticed the Apteras trip took an extra hour for charging. The Aptera 1000 didn't. Not really a big deal. Just an observation.
Does the app ask for wH/mile or kWh/mile ?
@@garywozniak7742 You go into settings and change km to miles. You don't have to install the app. You can use the website only if you want to. It lists all the different Aptera variants which was nice.
Other than the Aptera 1000, the others each need one charge stop. There is no way for the Aptera stop to add an hour more for charging than the Model 3. In fact, the Model 3 might realistically need two charge stops. ABRP may be out of date on the Aptera charge rate.
Would take it with a grain of salt. Aptera hasn't announced the actual DC charging rate (they've said somewhere between 40-60kW) and we don't know what the charging curve will look like (I'd assume very flat considering the low powers).
Yeah, it's natural to assume that the charging rate is proportional to the battery pack, while it is actually constant. An Aptera is going to get more miles for the same amount of kW, while a pickup truck is going to get far less.
The 50 kWh estimated for Aptera is 150 kWh for anything else.
Also I don't know if the route planner is based on filling the battery up instead of just adding enough charge to finish the trip
First Fox excerpt : "as long as the sun is shining it will automatically charge the onboard batteries without ever stopping to plug in" - that's pretty misleading ......
depends how fast you're driving :)
@@GoClimbARockEhIs it really "driving" if it's less
@@bobhilder1469 - It is. I could ride my old 1969 Schwinn Typhoon at 7 mph and it never needs recharging. As for my road bike, a whole different story. I think Aptera needs to show it going at that low speed and show it's charging. A human being can walk at 3 mph. Many can run at 8mph. So there could be a competition of a person running next to an Aptera and show the Aptera will beat them after a while and still have a full charge.
I reserved two years ago but just lately I started to realise this is a huge scam.
I reason to say this is the outlandish way of treating the range yet currently the battery tech won’t allow to put the right amount in the body. Its 5-10kw battery pack fits into this vehicle. It’s a scam. It must be a scam. This is why they don’t have big investment.
Do your due diligence. Aptera is using the same 2170 NMC batteries that Tesla is using , but packaging them with even higher energy density and loading them less. The 40 kW plus battery packs fit easily in the Launch edition vehicles.
Chris Anthony has already co-founded a lithium battery company and taken it pubic ad CEO. Delta Airlines is one of their major companies. He knows as much about battery tech as anyone. It is clearly not a scam, which is why industry leaders all over the world are partnering with them.
The main reason for large investors not being quick to invest is that the founder learned from their Aptera, Inc. experience with Idealab. They are not willing to give up the control that many large investors are seeking. That will change as investors start to see Aptera as a sure thing.
Second that Bruce, def not a scam. We will have the last laugh!
@@n.brucenelson5920well said Bruce. It is definitely not a scam.
"Never needs a charging station" is not accurate, and I'm also increasingly skeptical of the $33k price for the 400-mile variant that I reserved if it's ever produced. We'll see.
Agree that their is some deception in the charging claim, especially since the "40 mile solar only range is for the most sunny areas. I am sorry to see that as it detracts from Aptera "Integrity" We also know that the first 5,000 (Maybe plus) Aptare LE's will be more than 33K closer to 37K and without some of the features originally planned. With all of that taken into account, the value proposition for a segment of the market is very strong.
@johnmalcom9159 how do you know that the first 5,000 will be closer to $37k ?
@@garywozniak7742 A fair question and I don't. I doubt that Aptera knows at this point. Pricing is very complex with a lot of variables to consider at different weighs and values. Until you have all of the production parts under final supplier agreement and you know the specific terms of those contracts it is not possible to have a reliable price. So there is testing to do and the inevitable changes coming out of testing requiring component supplier contract changes in the supply chain part of pricing, there is no stable price. Then transportation costs for those components need to be finalized based on a production schedule and volume. Aptera is not a high volume product so prices will be higher for the lower volume needed to support production. Then there are fixed costs to be covered. Facilities to include warehouse space for parts and completed vehicles. Shipping cost for the completed vehicles to their destinations. A reserve to cover defects and warranty work. A big one is increased staffing for new services like vehicle financing support, registration, and other additional services associated with support of purchase operations. and an elephant in the room, a relatively large staff increase for production. Of course a management reserve (MY experience around 20%) for unexpected contingencies. and funding to cover taxes and interest. I ran an Aptera pricing exercise through an Analytical Hierarchy Processing (AHP) model we use for pricing runs for my client. There was a lot of variance (Expected at this point). The resulting value range included 37K at an r square of .42. The value is certainly questionable as I don't have access to the real Aptera data.
@@garywozniak7742 Yeah. I don't think Aptera has firmly committed to a price. Maybe they did in the Accelerator program but not for general reservation holders.
Claiming up to 1000 miles isn’t a true statement until proven or built. Sure the math may add up in fluid dynamics but it still needs to be a reality before using it as a sales pitch. They haven’t proved solar charge, range or cooling. They should be saying, “We hope to prove,…” instead until validation results.
Aptera has been clear that the 1,000-mile-range version is a future product. I have no doubt it will be a reality in the foreseeable future. It's a matter of "when," not "if," since battery energy density is improving.
The only thing that changes for the 600 and 1000 mile versions is that they use taller battery cells and stiffen the suspension. Nearly everything is identical to the PI builds that they'll be testing, and they've said that the battery suppliers are working on the samples of the taller cells. Personally I see the longer range variants as high probability, but long leadtime since Aptera will focus on 400 and 250 orders first.
You should tell Elon Musk, he doing Tesla all wrong. 😅I😅😅😅😅
The rate of solar charging is completely independent of the range. If anything, it will take longer to charge the 1000 mile battery because the 40 miles a day is a constant. (Constant maximum, but your yearly mileage based on region should remain the same)
I suspect that if they fail to hit the 1000 estimate they will decide not to redesign it because who cares if they go 950 miles instead of 1000 miles? But if Aptera wants to have the bragging rights of breaking the 1000 mile barrier, all they have to do is add a small plug-in battery pack.
Aptera has never claimed that the first model released will go 1000 miles on a charge. Or that you will be able to go 1000 miles on less than $45,000.