I never believed it. Personally I'm not a fan of nitrous. Although I don't care for turbos either. I do like superchargers. Less weight, less heat, Instant Power. Plus they can be set up on clutches.
@@Ozarkprepper643 I didn't think the turbo lag was an issue for aircraft, since their always operating at rpm and load. Tell me if I'm wrong though. For automotive I definitely agree, mechanical superchargers seem like they would be nicer to drive. I've only had the opportune to drive N/A and turbo cars in my time so far. I don't really like turbos on land, the lag completely changes how you have to corner, and it somewhat limits your options. I guess I always thought that turbos were meant to be up high in the sky.
@@saulekaravirs6585 I prefer turbos over N/A for 4 wheels. I tend to squeeze the throttle too early which bites me in shifter karts (and has bitten my femur on my race bike) but in my cars it works out perfectly. I love the power application of my MR2. Never driven anything with a mechanically driven supercharger, so I don't have any comparison, but I'm assuming it would be similar to N/A. Now for 2 wheels, anything but N/A is blasphemy.
I am amazed at the kindness Mike shows. It’s safe to assume he is making limited revenue from TH-cam ads, then decides to just send gifts out. He donates like crazy and volunteers for all forms of tasks. Thank you for being such a great role model mike. You make this world a better place!
I thought you might be interested in knowing that your efforts in increasing the aviation community have been effective, at least in my little world. I started watching your stuff six months ago. In that time I have become totally captivated with the idea of building my own airplane. As a result of your site, I started to look at others and came across several build sites that deal especially in building with wood. Since then, I have ordered a kit that will be delivered in April. I have built a completely flat and true work table, and am in the process of selecting and putting a deposit on an engine. My plan is to start the build this coming year and in the summer begin flight lessons. Ideally, I should have my sport certificate when I have the airplane done. When I look back on it, none of this would have happened had I not stumbled on your Scrappy build.Thank you Mike, you are an inspiration!
I knew you wouldn't be satisfied with the Nitrous and i was expecting that you would replace the engine with a 1000hp turboprop....but twin turbo sounds really cool as well, as it means we can see the true potential of this monster engine.
@@cjhs77338 so much lighter for the same power that you can carry more fuel though, and reliable which with the best will in the world can't be said for a lyco... That's been heavily tuned.
Missed your updates. Glad to see a video now and then gets me more and more motivated. Would love to hear/ see something about how you met garret/cleetus Both of you do so much to give back to the communities you are apart of.
You are the most awesome engineer/designer in all aviation, Mike! I just am so sorry I'll never get to meet you. As a pensioner in Australia, many things are beyond my budget reach, but I simply adore everything you do! Oh, and I miss Draco! It would be awesome if you could get one of the plastic modelmaking companies to do a 1/48 scale plastic kit of the almighty Draco!
In several very high-performance sailplanes, flaps and ailerons come down together, until a certain point… then the ailerons come back up to neutral or slightly negative as the flaps keep going down. This increases roll control immensely. Maybe your last foot of aileron could do the same? Something to ponder, I think.
Many high performance RC saileplanes do the same. I'm afraid that this is the only way. You will probably have the same negativ effect with increased ailerons.
Love these videos!! What about adding Vg's on the wings outboard area that would stop span wise flow and send some more air over the ailerons at lower speed? Your engineering from start to finish on this project is mind blowing! Hopefully I will see this flying over Lehi on the weekends. Keep up the great work... Back to work!!
Thinking back to my days flying KC-10s and found myself wondering: what about two sets of ailerons? Inboard and outboard. The extra set only unlocks at full flap settings. That’s a common setup on larger aircraft and seems easier than having one massive aileron and expecting it to perform the same across all flight profiles. But I’m no engineer! I’ll greatly enjoy watching the upcoming aileron development. Back to work!
Airliners do this too. They usually have a high and low speed set of ailerons. They also go one step further and start deploying spoilers when you get slow and need even more roll control.
@@martylawson1638 if I recall, on airliners, as the speed increases, ailerons are no longer used (or deflection is reduced or zero-ed) and the spoilers are used. At low speeds both the spoilers and ailerons are used.
Your spindle is still hollow! Water/dust/crud can travel down the inside of your spindle into your wheel bearings! Love your work! Thanks for the update!
Like so many, I am in awe of you, your brother’s, your wife’s and your sons’ intellect, passion, and drive. Thank you so much. (I bend aluminum on a B-17G and am guided by drawings made 80 years ago.). I am grateful to be guided by engineers from decades past. I think the richest evening imaginable would be you, Orville, and Wilbur in the same room for about three and a half hours…
The RC Draco is a great flying plane. My friend bought 6 of them and gave me one. I I hope Horizon is able to copy Scrappy. For all of us RC Nuts to enjoy.
That would be amazing (and ungodly expensive) if they were able to replicate those flaps. I work with a group of engineering students close by. Maybe we will have to try to put some of his work in the small scale.
Your ear to ear grin is on your face 24/7. Not just when you fly. Obviously few of us here can see that, but it's apparent. It's your signature and it's very admirable.
Thanks for your channel giving me so much enjoyment. I also got your SCRAPPY spar as a gift from my daughter and son in law proudly displayed in my living room. Always looking forward to your next video. Merry Christmas to you and all the Patey's
I am to bad with health to be in what you guys do But I TRULY love the channel because of your excitment of what you do. And how you love your fans. Merry Christmas to all your family and friends. To the people that are not talked about much is the camera man -woman thank you for outstanding videos I know it takes a lot to film and make it work. THANKS
It would be so easy to say “its perfect” but that’s not you and that’s why we love you Mike! You are totally honest and we love that! I absolutely love the fact you are designing your own prop hub. If anyone else told me that I would say they are nuts 😂
I know the issue with the Ailerons. I had the same issue with my Own-design homebuilt. Its nowhere near as hard core as Scrappy, but it has a wing with really nice low-speed characteristics. It was getting airborne well before full aileron effectiveness, so was tricky in crosswinds! In my case, a row of vortex generators on the leading edge in front of the ailerons sorted the issue pretty easily. making improvements down the track is absolutely normal for own-designs!
I am looking forward to some future where we get to see some big epic Alaska adventures. I hope to see a moose,sheep or cooler of salmon on a dirt bike mount at some point! Love that wing design!
Wow Mike I simply can not believe that you took a crashed cub and turned it into arguably the best, most complex and versatile STOL aircraft in the world. You have been a huge inspiration for me and you never cease to amaze me with you incredible aeronautical marvels. I would love to see the turbos on scrappy and cannot wait to see its peak performance. Keep up the incredible work and whats more could you please shed a little more light on Draco x. Thank you so much for you time.
Awesome update. Love how slow and level Scrappy flies. Hopefully the larger ailerons are enough. But there's still the option of roll control spoilers, or mixing the ailerons into the split-flaps...
I just discovered this channel yesterday. Watching the crazy custom talks about Scrappy has been eye-poppingly cool! YES, that was my thought too, spoilerons! It seems like a good candidate, as all the big jets do it. I sat thinking, well, you've succeeded in creating a wing with such enormous lift capability that you run out of roll control before the thing will stall…so, kill some of that lift on the high-wing. Good idea. I've read a few sources that suggest wings are typically designed to stall at the root first, so roll control is the last thing to be lost as a stall develops. Another consideration for the flight-test program: what's the effect of the rudder on roll in slow flight and high AoA situations. This wing is unique in that slow flight might not necessarily equate to a high AoA situation. But various sources I've encountered tell me that in typical aircraft, and especially the big jets, when you've got high AoA on and you're near the stall, the rudder becomes a primary roll-control device. Then of course, when near stall, trying to pick up the low wing with aileron may push that side into stall, and suddenly the stick seems to do the opposite of what you intended! The guidance is to keep the ailerons neutral and roll with rudder. A complication for the spoileron idea: you might want the spoileron to activate only during special parts of the flight envelope, not be something that comes up every time the stick moves to the side. So, plenty of variables to sort thru in design and fluid simulations.
It is so thrilling to see Scrappy fly and the changes you will be making. Having watched this aircraft from its infancy to today has been a wonderful journey. Thanks, Mike.
At 75, I am a disabled Vietnam Vet. I live near the Nut Tree airport in Vacaville, CA. North of Travis AFB. If you are ever in the neighborhood, I would love to visit Scrappy!!
Greetings from South Africa. Love the new plans Mike, it's going to be awesome. I still feel there is such a big gap in your video's as you finished the plane off, would love a video on attaching the wings, finishing touches etc, and first flights. I know you were under pressure to get to Oshkosh, but if you have that footage, would love to see it. Can't wait for all your videos !!
I stumbled across this video (I’m a helicopter pilot) and barely 5 mins in I’d like to say “what a guy” - really lovely bloke, family man, infectious enthusiasm/smile, clearly a great pilot and incredible engineer….incredibly creative too - now back to the video! 😉😎
I can only imagine how much engineering is going into building your own prop mechanism. If there's anyone who can DIY that, it's you. Absolutely crazy capabilities you've built up and I just love seeing you make such great use of all your skills.
Mike, you have been part of the inspiration that re-lit the fire under my ass to pursue my lifelong passion for aviation. I am taking my PPL check ride tomorrow, and have already passed my instrument written. I also finally got my Scrappy wing spar kit a few days ago! I've been showing it off to everyone. THANK YOU for your contagious passion and inspiration!
Mike Patey, love you and love your videos! You have inspired me to chase my childhood dreams of flying that I had previously given up on. I am 47 and determined to get my pilot’s license within the next two years. Hope to see Scrapy in Valdez Alaska at our fly in!!!
Nice ! Mike Happy Holidays to you and the family... Great new video and all your videos, 6.3 likes and no dislikes amazing Got one question and do wonder if you had both airplanes how would you use them for different backcountry outings?
Please come out with more flying videos. The videos from building your planes are always freaking amazing, but after so much "invested" time in building "with you" it would be amazing with some more flying videos. Cockpit FPV of you taking off / landing at different places, time to altitude, stall testing etc etc.
Outstanding, Mike! No trim changes? You did some beautiful work. Love seeing the constant tweaking. You have a fantastic baseline. Merry Christmas! I am a Christmas baby too, hehe.
for the propeller control.. are you going to put a spur gear around the hub with a bolt on second gear housing to complete the pump.. allowing you to easily inspect the drive gear sides and the complete driven gear by just unbolting the cover.. the oil around the hub where the main drive gear is also cools the hub and housing. oversizing the case opening for the driven gear housing could allow you to machine a larger driven gear or a smaller driven gear and housing if the oil flow is not correct .. without redesigning the main housing. shims to change gear clearance between the drive and driven gear.. bearings.. double row ball bearing up front.. self aligning roller bearing on the rear (barrel shaped roller) as that will probably handle the side loads better as are exerted by the prop and which ever drive you have..
The referencing of Wheelie and the Chopper Bunch was great! I look forward to seeing these changes happen. Once again we'll get to see an already amazing aircraft get some major improvements. Thanks as always for bringing us along with you Mike and family.
You and your team are an inspiration to us all! Everytime I watch your videos I think, "This is what TH-cam is all about!" You keep pushing me into signing up for that first flight. A few times over the last 20 odd years I backed off due to family priorities. Maybe, just maybe it's time! R/C only gets me so far! Thanks for all you do!
I don't know if anyone but me will remember me joking about Scrappy being able to hover and take of like a VTOL craft when the prop was revealed - but I think reverse so Scrappy can back in like Draco would honestly be cooler. I also think the turbo plan is far smarter long term than the nitrous, especially with the altitudes Scrappy will be taking off at. And after seeing those DA figures, the electric bikes really make even more sense. Overall, nice job.
I hit the thumbs up before I watch ur video.....sowing (giving back) to the community is a key that unlocks incredible reaping (blessing) and is a spiritual principle that works beyond measure. You have demonstrated this time and again Mike. Thank you for sharing.
I knew Scrappy was going to be a "work in progress". Mike is always innovating and improving. Loved the initial build series, and the upgrades and improvements are going to be awesome 👍
A couple too many great ideas tried all at once. My greatest wish is you allow (or design) a Partey Twin Wing for RV aircraft. Longer, thinner, and able to land 15 knots slower while increasing miles per gallon at cruise and top speed to a degree that seems incredible
Forgive me for this Mike. After seeing the RC Draco, and noticing a little man inside the cockpit. I thought I need to go to your website and zoom in on the little guy. I was excited to see if he looks like you in the RC plane. After zooming in, I thought wait a minute, that little guy has a full head of hair… Mike, you are a true inspiration. After working on my pilot license for some years now, you make me really want to fulfill my dream. One day, I will be finished with my private license. One day, I will meet you in person and shake your hand. You are a legend. Please keep inspiring so many people in this amazing industry. Thank you.
Thank you so much for the amazing gift guys!!!! Love the scrappy spars and the extra goodies . Merry Christmas everyone and all the best in the new year
Love the whole project and your craftsmanship. All I want for Christmas is more videos of the build and the test flights. If you have the video, can't you delegate someone to edit it and post it?
Can't wait to see how many "Scrappy" features there will be utilized on Draco-X when or if it gets built! I'm quite sure that if Draco had had the adjustable undercarriage, it wouldn't or probably wouldn't be lying as a scrap heap. Saying that Scrappy is the most fabulous and innovative plane I've ever seen. Burt Rutan has got some stiff competition here!
I keep wondering if he'll bolt extra electric engines under the wings where we expect to see electric bikes and test what that does.... Or something like a C130 rocket assisted short take off....
Thank you Mike. I love your channel and learn from each genius laden video. I am so happy to support your efforts because I love aviation so much, yet I can't get a license because I am diabetic. So I live vicariously through TH-cam aviation videos. I got the spar from your site along with a shirt. Thanks again brother.
Man I have missed these videos Scrappy is looking stout. I had to go through 4 surguries after I crashed my dirtbike racing Hangtown motocross track. I would say be careful on your dirtbikes but that would be boring, lol. Happy Holidays, Patey Family.
In my knowledge range of aeroplanes, which is zero, it sounds more like it needs a flap on the wing tips. Max leverage. Or, falls right behind the prop, so when you pull the loud lever you have most surface control, but in a local area. *anyhoo, bloody chuffed you built the aeroplane of your dreams :D
With the massive battery capacity Scrappy has a variable speed electric motor direct drive positive displacement supercharger would be a lot less plumbing with no waste gate and the complexity that comes with a dual turbo charger setup. Probably quite a bit lighter also when you look at the plumbing dual intercoolers and fuel management complexity. With the aero drag Scrappy has you probably want the power mainly for takeoff and climb, so time wise maybe 5 minutes max. With a VS superchager, just set the manifold pressure you want, set the fuel flow and you are good to go. Also lots of big PD superchargers out there to choose from that will supply all the air you want in that big motor. Separate independent oil system, a single intercooler and very little plumbing. Might be worth considering.
Merry Christmas to the Patey family and we your-“best” fans are looking forward to some new videos in 2022 if possible, enjoy and have a very merry Christmas…
Mike, my son (very precarious 9 1/5 years old) loves your channel. He cried when Draco got crashed. He took his first flight when he was 18 months old in my BD4. Merry Christmas from Ethan and I . Blessings to you and your family.
I hope you switch to a three blade prop on Scrappy. Would look awesome. That is the plan i have for my RC Scrappy which is in progress right now. First few videos are already on my channel :o) Wish you great holidays!
The F14 used differential horizontal stabilizers to control roll. With that big prop pushing the air (and the need for rear ballast when you add that CS prop anyway) maybe you could look into engineering something like that to help your ailerons out?
Let's be honest, I don't think any of us believed you would be satisfied with the occasional burst of nitrous 😄 Can't wait for project turbo!
I never believed it. Personally I'm not a fan of nitrous. Although I don't care for turbos either. I do like superchargers. Less weight, less heat, Instant Power. Plus they can be set up on clutches.
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@@Ozarkprepper643 I didn't think the turbo lag was an issue for aircraft, since their always operating at rpm and load. Tell me if I'm wrong though.
For automotive I definitely agree, mechanical superchargers seem like they would be nicer to drive. I've only had the opportune to drive N/A and turbo cars in my time so far. I don't really like turbos on land, the lag completely changes how you have to corner, and it somewhat limits your options.
I guess I always thought that turbos were meant to be up high in the sky.
@@saulekaravirs6585 I prefer turbos over N/A for 4 wheels. I tend to squeeze the throttle too early which bites me in shifter karts (and has bitten my femur on my race bike) but in my cars it works out perfectly. I love the power application of my MR2.
Never driven anything with a mechanically driven supercharger, so I don't have any comparison, but I'm assuming it would be similar to N/A.
Now for 2 wheels, anything but N/A is blasphemy.
This probably means you have to redo the cowl. OMG that was so much work.
I am amazed at the kindness Mike shows. It’s safe to assume he is making limited revenue from TH-cam ads, then decides to just send gifts out. He donates like crazy and volunteers for all forms of tasks. Thank you for being such a great role model mike. You make this world a better place!
That go-go-gadget, solar-powered, dirtbike-carrying wing is an engineering marvel that still stuns me every time I see it.
lol I called it a go go gadget on facebook
I thought you might be interested in knowing that your efforts in increasing the aviation community have been effective, at least in my little world. I started watching your stuff six months ago. In that time I have become totally captivated with the idea of building my own airplane. As a result of your site, I started to look at others and came across several build sites that deal especially in building with wood. Since then, I have ordered a kit that will be delivered in April. I have built a completely flat and true work table, and am in the process of selecting and putting a deposit on an engine. My plan is to start the build this coming year and in the summer begin flight lessons. Ideally, I should have my sport certificate when I have the airplane done. When I look back on it, none of this would have happened had I not stumbled on your Scrappy build.Thank you Mike, you are an inspiration!
Keep us all updated
Good luck and good on ya!
Cleetus McFarland comes by to visit, and you finally realize Scrappy needs turbos! Haha!
Keep up the great work Mike, I can't wait to see Scrappy 2.0!
I hear the distant screech of bald eagles 🦅
Cletus also showed Draco 2.0
Where is this video I was just looking at Cleetus Mc Farland's TH-cam channel I didn't see it anything
@@basebilljr07 That's what they call a joke.
Mike is the John force of the aviation world , so maybe cleet should chuck his thumb on the housing like John did on mullet !
Thanks for all that you do for aviation! And by the way I love my Best Tug! Thanks to you and your family for signing it! Steve F.
You’re a generous guy, Mike. Thanks for supporting and building the aviation community!
This is badass!!!
I knew you wouldn't be satisfied with the Nitrous and i was expecting that you would replace the engine with a 1000hp turboprop....but twin turbo sounds really cool as well, as it means we can see the true potential of this monster engine.
He must have a reason why he's not putting a turbo prop. My only guess is it would chop his range in half due to being less fuel efficient.
Switching to a turboprop would decrease his range. While they have the power they are not very fuel efficient.
@@cjhs77338 so much lighter for the same power that you can carry more fuel though, and reliable which with the best will in the world can't be said for a lyco... That's been heavily tuned.
@@HansGruber006 That and CG would not work with a turbine.
Missed your updates. Glad to see a video now and then gets me more and more motivated.
Would love to hear/ see something about how you met garret/cleetus
Both of you do so much to give back to the communities you are apart of.
Merry Christmas to you and your family and the entire Patey clan. Thanks for your aviation awesomeness!
You are the most awesome engineer/designer in all aviation, Mike! I just am so sorry I'll never get to meet you. As a pensioner in Australia, many things are beyond my budget reach, but I simply adore everything you do! Oh, and I miss Draco! It would be awesome if you could get one of the plastic modelmaking companies to do a 1/48 scale plastic kit of the almighty Draco!
Merry Christmas to all of you and your Families. God Bless 🎆 🎄
In several very high-performance sailplanes, flaps and ailerons come down together, until a certain point… then the ailerons come back up to neutral or slightly negative as the flaps keep going down. This increases roll control immensely. Maybe your last foot of aileron could do the same? Something to ponder, I think.
Many high performance RC saileplanes do the same. I'm afraid that this is the only way. You will probably have the same negativ effect with increased ailerons.
Love these videos!! What about adding Vg's on the wings outboard area that would stop span wise flow and send some more air over the ailerons at lower speed? Your engineering from start to finish on this project is mind blowing! Hopefully I will see this flying over Lehi on the weekends. Keep up the great work... Back to work!!
Thinking back to my days flying KC-10s and found myself wondering: what about two sets of ailerons? Inboard and outboard. The extra set only unlocks at full flap settings. That’s a common setup on larger aircraft and seems easier than having one massive aileron and expecting it to perform the same across all flight profiles. But I’m no engineer! I’ll greatly enjoy watching the upcoming aileron development. Back to work!
Airliners do this too. They usually have a high and low speed set of ailerons. They also go one step further and start deploying spoilers when you get slow and need even more roll control.
@@martylawson1638 if I recall, on airliners, as the speed increases, ailerons are no longer used (or deflection is reduced or zero-ed) and the spoilers are used. At low speeds both the spoilers and ailerons are used.
MU-2: **stares with confusion** What are ailerons?
Stabilators controlled independently. Ailerons are for high speed, differential Stab for slow speed. Works famously on jets that fly 0-700 Kts.
@@ACSFlyingfish it's the other way around. Differential spoilers come in at lower speeds.
Oh man! Made my evening to get back in touch! Merry Christmas everyone!
Your spindle is still hollow! Water/dust/crud can travel down the inside of your spindle into your wheel bearings! Love your work! Thanks for the update!
Like so many, I am in awe of you, your brother’s, your wife’s and your sons’ intellect, passion, and drive. Thank you so much. (I bend aluminum on a B-17G and am guided by drawings made 80 years ago.). I am grateful to be guided by engineers from decades past.
I think the richest evening imaginable would be you, Orville, and Wilbur in the same room for about three and a half hours…
The RC Draco is a great flying plane. My friend bought 6 of them and gave me one. I
I hope Horizon is able to copy Scrappy. For all of us RC Nuts to enjoy.
That would be amazing (and ungodly expensive) if they were able to replicate those flaps. I work with a group of engineering students close by. Maybe we will have to try to put some of his work in the small scale.
Holy cow, your friend must be loaded!
I haven't flown a draco rc, but i have flown a timber and there fun to fly.a friend the "RC Geek" did a review on the draco on his youtube chn.
@@rodgerhecht3623 there = they're
I need to be friends with your friend.
The excitement I get from seeing a Mike Patey video is like the first time, every time.
Your ear to ear grin is on your face 24/7. Not just when you fly. Obviously few of us here can see that, but it's apparent. It's your signature and it's very admirable.
So much fun you had designing and building those wings. Congrats.
Thanks for your channel giving me so much enjoyment. I also got your SCRAPPY spar as a gift from my daughter and son in law proudly displayed in my living room. Always looking forward to your next video.
Merry Christmas to you and all the Patey's
I am to bad with health to be in what you guys do But I TRULY love the channel because of your excitment of what you do. And how you love your fans. Merry Christmas to all your family and friends. To the people that are not talked about much is the camera man -woman thank you for outstanding videos I know it takes a lot to film and make it work. THANKS
This project is so cool. Time to watch another Scrappy Update!
It would be so easy to say “its perfect” but that’s not you and that’s why we love you Mike! You are totally honest and we love that!
I absolutely love the fact you are designing your own prop hub. If anyone else told me that I would say they are nuts 😂
I live in Karachi Pakistan I like your comments send 4 month ago
I know the issue with the Ailerons. I had the same issue with my Own-design homebuilt. Its nowhere near as hard core as Scrappy, but it has a wing with really nice low-speed characteristics. It was getting airborne well before full aileron effectiveness, so was tricky in crosswinds! In my case, a row of vortex generators on the leading edge in front of the ailerons sorted the issue pretty easily. making improvements down the track is absolutely normal for own-designs!
Love the bikes. Can't wait to see the constant speed unit for the prop. That'll be one more leap for Aviation.
I am looking forward to some future where we get to see some big epic Alaska adventures. I hope to see a moose,sheep or cooler of salmon on a dirt bike mount at some point! Love that wing design!
How does this vlog only have 269,000 subscribers??? Spread the word! I wish I was new to the channel, and got to binge watch the past videos!
Wow Mike I simply can not believe that you took a crashed cub and turned it into arguably the best, most complex and versatile STOL aircraft in the world. You have been a huge inspiration for me and you never cease to amaze me with you incredible aeronautical marvels. I would love to see the turbos on scrappy and cannot wait to see its peak performance. Keep up the incredible work and whats more could you please shed a little more light on Draco x. Thank you so much for you time.
Haven't even watched the video yet, and im already grinning from ear to ear. Love this guy. Love his videos.
Same here Scott ,👍 soon as I got notification . Take Care and Merry Christmas 🎄☃️
Awesome update. Love how slow and level Scrappy flies. Hopefully the larger ailerons are enough. But there's still the option of roll control spoilers, or mixing the ailerons into the split-flaps...
I just discovered this channel yesterday. Watching the crazy custom talks about Scrappy has been eye-poppingly cool! YES, that was my thought too, spoilerons! It seems like a good candidate, as all the big jets do it. I sat thinking, well, you've succeeded in creating a wing with such enormous lift capability that you run out of roll control before the thing will stall…so, kill some of that lift on the high-wing. Good idea. I've read a few sources that suggest wings are typically designed to stall at the root first, so roll control is the last thing to be lost as a stall develops.
Another consideration for the flight-test program: what's the effect of the rudder on roll in slow flight and high AoA situations. This wing is unique in that slow flight might not necessarily equate to a high AoA situation. But various sources I've encountered tell me that in typical aircraft, and especially the big jets, when you've got high AoA on and you're near the stall, the rudder becomes a primary roll-control device.
Then of course, when near stall, trying to pick up the low wing with aileron may push that side into stall, and suddenly the stick seems to do the opposite of what you intended! The guidance is to keep the ailerons neutral and roll with rudder.
A complication for the spoileron idea: you might want the spoileron to activate only during special parts of the flight envelope, not be something that comes up every time the stick moves to the side. So, plenty of variables to sort thru in design and fluid simulations.
It is so thrilling to see Scrappy fly and the changes you will be making. Having watched this aircraft from its infancy to today has been a wonderful journey. Thanks, Mike.
At 75, I am a disabled Vietnam Vet. I live near the Nut Tree airport in Vacaville, CA. North of Travis AFB. If you are ever in the neighborhood, I would love to visit Scrappy!!
Greetings from South Africa. Love the new plans Mike, it's going to be awesome. I still feel there is such a big gap in your video's as you finished the plane off, would love a video on attaching the wings, finishing touches etc, and first flights. I know you were under pressure to get to Oshkosh, but if you have that footage, would love to see it. Can't wait for all your videos !!
When Mike said he wanted to make a constant speed prop I didn’t know he was going to keep those awesome blades. 👍
I stumbled across this video (I’m a helicopter pilot) and barely 5 mins in I’d like to say “what a guy” - really lovely bloke, family man, infectious enthusiasm/smile, clearly a great pilot and incredible engineer….incredibly creative too - now back to the video! 😉😎
I can only imagine how much engineering is going into building your own prop mechanism. If there's anyone who can DIY that, it's you. Absolutely crazy capabilities you've built up and I just love seeing you make such great use of all your skills.
Merry Christmas, Mike and family
Mike, you have been part of the inspiration that re-lit the fire under my ass to pursue my lifelong passion for aviation. I am taking my PPL check ride tomorrow, and have already passed my instrument written. I also finally got my Scrappy wing spar kit a few days ago! I've been showing it off to everyone. THANK YOU for your contagious passion and inspiration!
Mike Patey, love you and love your videos! You have inspired me to chase my childhood dreams of flying that I had previously given up on. I am 47 and determined to get my pilot’s license within the next two years. Hope to see Scrapy in Valdez Alaska at our fly in!!!
Nice ! Mike Happy Holidays to you and the family... Great new video and all your videos, 6.3 likes and no dislikes amazing Got one question and do wonder if you had both airplanes how would you use them for different backcountry outings?
Please come out with more flying videos. The videos from building your planes are always freaking amazing, but after so much "invested" time in building "with you" it would be amazing with some more flying videos. Cockpit FPV of you taking off / landing at different places, time to altitude, stall testing etc etc.
Outstanding, Mike! No trim changes? You did some beautiful work. Love seeing the constant tweaking. You have a fantastic baseline.
Merry Christmas! I am a Christmas baby too, hehe.
for the propeller control.. are you going to put a spur gear around the hub with a bolt on second gear housing to complete the pump.. allowing you to easily inspect the drive gear sides and the complete driven gear by just unbolting the cover.. the oil around the hub where the main drive gear is also cools the hub and housing. oversizing the case opening for the driven gear housing could allow you to machine a larger driven gear or a smaller driven gear and housing if the oil flow is not correct .. without redesigning the main housing. shims to change gear clearance between the drive and driven gear.. bearings.. double row ball bearing up front.. self aligning roller bearing on the rear (barrel shaped roller) as that will probably handle the side loads better as are exerted by the prop and which ever drive you have..
Merry Christmas Mike and all of the Patey family.
The referencing of Wheelie and the Chopper Bunch was great! I look forward to seeing these changes happen. Once again we'll get to see an already amazing aircraft get some major improvements. Thanks as always for bringing us along with you Mike and family.
You and your team are an inspiration to us all! Everytime I watch your videos I think, "This is what TH-cam is all about!" You keep pushing me into signing up for that first flight. A few times over the last 20 odd years I backed off due to family priorities. Maybe, just maybe it's time! R/C only gets me so far! Thanks for all you do!
I don't know if anyone but me will remember me joking about Scrappy being able to hover and take of like a VTOL craft when the prop was revealed - but I think reverse so Scrappy can back in like Draco would honestly be cooler. I also think the turbo plan is far smarter long term than the nitrous, especially with the altitudes Scrappy will be taking off at. And after seeing those DA figures, the electric bikes really make even more sense.
Overall, nice job.
Very cool. I'd love to stop in and see it sometime.
Thanks for all you and Mark do for the love of aviation. Have a Merry Christmas and a most blessed new year!
I hit the thumbs up before I watch ur video.....sowing (giving back) to the community is a key that unlocks incredible reaping (blessing) and is a spiritual principle that works beyond measure. You have demonstrated this time and again Mike. Thank you for sharing.
15:00 "That's not available, so, I'm making one!" Why we LOVE Mike Patey!
Mike, you are a wonderful and generous person! An aviation genius with a BIG heart! Thank you!
I knew Scrappy was going to be a "work in progress". Mike is always innovating and improving. Loved the initial build series, and the upgrades and improvements are going to be awesome 👍
Great to have gotten the Scrappy spar components here in Ireland for Christmas - Thanks Mike
Loved seeing your cameo with Cleetus. Also, a collab with Xyla Foxlin would be amazing.
A couple too many great ideas tried all at once. My greatest wish is you allow (or design) a Partey Twin Wing for RV aircraft. Longer, thinner, and able to land 15 knots slower while increasing miles per gallon at cruise and top speed to a degree that seems incredible
Forgive me for this Mike. After seeing the RC Draco, and noticing a little man inside the cockpit. I thought I need to go to your website and zoom in on the little guy. I was excited to see if he looks like you in the RC plane. After zooming in, I thought wait a minute, that little guy has a full head of hair… Mike, you are a true inspiration. After working on my pilot license for some years now, you make me really want to fulfill my dream. One day, I will be finished with my private license. One day, I will meet you in person and shake your hand. You are a legend. Please keep inspiring so many people in this amazing industry. Thank you.
Cool idea to have some extra wheels on the wings for extra rough bush landings. 😁
Thank you so much for the amazing gift guys!!!! Love the scrappy spars and the extra goodies . Merry Christmas everyone and all the best in the new year
Thanks for the spars Mike! They’re worth the wait.
Love the whole project and your craftsmanship. All I want for Christmas is more videos of the build and the test flights. If you have the video, can't you delegate someone to edit it and post it?
Can't wait to see how many "Scrappy" features there will be utilized on Draco-X when or if it gets built! I'm quite sure that if Draco had had the adjustable undercarriage, it wouldn't or probably wouldn't be lying as a scrap heap. Saying that Scrappy is the most fabulous and innovative plane I've ever seen. Burt Rutan has got some stiff competition here!
I keep wondering if he'll bolt extra electric engines under the wings where we expect to see electric bikes and test what that does....
Or something like a C130 rocket assisted short take off....
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, Mark and all your family.
Mike, put a tow hook on Scrappy!!! I want to be the first glider you tow in Scrappy!!!
Thank you Mike. I love your channel and learn from each genius laden video. I am so happy to support your efforts because I love aviation so much, yet I can't get a license because I am diabetic. So I live vicariously through TH-cam aviation videos. I got the spar from your site along with a shirt. Thanks again brother.
Mike, your charity towards the aviation community is awesome! You deserve a medal pal.
Merry Christmas 🎄⛄
I’ll I want for Christmas is the Mike Patey teaches experimental aircraft design in solidworks masterclass .
I got my spar pieces!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Mike!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Man I have missed these videos Scrappy is looking stout. I had to go through 4 surguries after I crashed my dirtbike racing Hangtown motocross track. I would say be careful on your dirtbikes but that would be boring, lol.
Happy Holidays, Patey Family.
I have my ppl checkride on the 15th of January, thank you for the inspiring content and awesome engineering.
Awesome looking airplane. And the lowering idea is amazing!
Congrats to the winners
So jealous!
Got Scrappy wing spar pieces in and thanks for stickers. 👍😁
In my knowledge range of aeroplanes, which is zero, it sounds more like it needs a flap on the wing tips. Max leverage. Or, falls right behind the prop, so when you pull the loud lever you have most surface control, but in a local area. *anyhoo, bloody chuffed you built the aeroplane of your dreams :D
Always happy of watching your videos…back to work on those upgrades…
With the massive battery capacity Scrappy has a variable speed electric motor direct drive positive displacement supercharger would be a lot less plumbing with no waste gate and the complexity that comes with a dual turbo charger setup. Probably quite a bit lighter also when you look at the plumbing dual intercoolers and fuel management complexity. With the aero drag Scrappy has you probably want the power mainly for takeoff and climb, so time wise maybe 5 minutes max. With a VS superchager, just set the manifold pressure you want, set the fuel flow and you are good to go. Also lots of big PD superchargers out there to choose from that will supply all the air you want in that big motor. Separate independent oil system, a single intercooler and very little plumbing. Might be worth considering.
for roll control at slow speeds do what bigger boats do, add some wingtip thrusters (maybe something like a drone would have), its as simple as that.
Got my ornament hanging on the tree already! Couldn't order fast enough when I got the email!
MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR 2022
An airplane wing has thrust just like a prop: it displaces a mass of air downwards and that is the force that makes a wing lift a plane. Fight me.
Equal and opposite reaction. Push down a ton of air, get a ton of lift.
May You & all your family, have a Safe & Joyous Holiday Season!
Merry Christmas to the Patey family and we your-“best” fans are looking forward to some new videos in 2022 if possible, enjoy and have a very merry Christmas…
Great job going to LAX to pick up that couple for Christmas
Merry Christmas to you Mike & family....An may God Bless you and yours...!
Mike, my son (very precarious 9 1/5 years old) loves your channel. He cried when Draco got crashed. He took his first flight when he was 18 months old in my BD4. Merry Christmas from Ethan and I . Blessings to you and your family.
Mike, a few more minutes of in flight footage of Scrappy would be most welcome if you could organize that?
Yup turbocharged 👍
Dude! YOU are a perfectionist...but thats good...we need guys like you..
Happy Birthday Mike & Mark !!! 🥁🎊👏😊
Ooooops, meant to post this in the comment area of your latest video on your birthday.
I hope you switch to a three blade prop on Scrappy. Would look awesome. That is the plan i have for my RC Scrappy which is in progress right now. First few videos are already on my channel :o) Wish you great holidays!
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!
Mike have a Happy Christmas for you and your family and I really look forward to the New Year improvements on Scrappy! Fly Safe!
Oh yeah, Scrappy with turbos! 😎
And the wing. OMG....
And the prop plan... DO IT!!!! 😁
Ps: wearing my "Get back to work!" shirt today in France!!
Hello from Minnesota! Keep doing what your doing!! It's great for aviation!
The F14 used differential horizontal stabilizers to control roll. With that big prop pushing the air (and the need for rear ballast when you add that CS prop anyway) maybe you could look into engineering something like that to help your ailerons out?