In my opinion Sasuke lost to Orochimaru the moment he absorbed him into his body. If Itachi didnt take Orochimaru out of Sasuke he would have eventually taken him over.
@@___________0Z0X won’t say at all because sasuke does reference in the fight “wounds like this won’t slow me down” cause he’s recovering faster as he says after the diedera fight that happened like the day or 2 before
You’re pretty off base in the Sasori section so here’s a few corrections and criticisms. For one we are directly told in the third databook that they fought in a difficult battle. I actually spoke to a Japanese translator and went over the original text which directly uses the word opponent (in a contest / combat) and it saying that Sasori receives joy from battling strong opponents and turning them into puppets. The implications of this are very clear and I truly do not understand why the fandom at large just doesn’t accept them when they’re reiterated multiple times but will accept random one off databook statement number 27463892. We also LITERALLY see Sasori and chiyo having equal combat & reaction speed, with Chiyo reacting to and intercepting all of the iron sand attacks, including the iron sand spears that were “greatly increased” in speed. Sasori even implies she could’ve just straight up dodged the iron sand shower had she not been protecting Sakura (which is fully consistent with what we see in the Kabuto and Itachi fight, that protecting other people can slow you down). The rasa arguments are also really weird, Gaara’s gourd sand is at a set speed, he doesn’t “accelerate it.” Rasa reacts to Gaara’s special sand twice just fine AFTER Gaara attacks him first. This idea that Gaara’s sand is exponentially faster than Rasa’s just doesn’t hold up, sorry. It’s headcanon. They clash equally in speed and power during the entire fight even without Rasa mixing the gold into the sand, so they’re equal. It is really that simple. I don’t even think Sasori beats Orochimaru, in fact I think Prime Oro mid to high diffs every grunt tier Akatsuki member. But these arguments were pretty bad.
I agree with everything but the Gara sand If gara sand is at a set speed than it would never get faster or slower meaning that part 1 lee is faster than raikage
@@sebtw8918I don’t think by meant that the sand isn’t capable of increasing speed. I think what they’re saying is that the speed the sand moves at is fixed to Gaaras on general speed or a fixed speed the sand possesses. Gaara can’t accelerate or decelerate the sand at a moments notice unless actively manipulating it.
@@sebtw8918 What I meant to say is that Gaara’s special sand only scales to him in speed. It’s his fastest sand, but he doesn’t possess the ability to magically make it faster beyond the power of the chakra he pours into it beforehand. That’s how it’s explained to is. It’s just silly to say he’s exponentially faster than Rasa anyway when rasa doesn’t struggle to react to any of his attacks aside from point blank range sneak attacks. Gaara literally had to make Onoki amp his sand in speed because he doesn’t have that ability. Also Gaara isn’t faster than the Raikage anyway, he only ever intercepted the guillotine drop which is notable slower than the Raikage’s body flicker. I don’t know why Gaara (end of war arc) > Sasori /3rd Kazekage > Gaara > Rasa is so weirdly controversial among power scalers when it’s literally just what’s in the manga
“Samehada moved to dodge while kisame didn’t move his hand.” Well why would he need to? He clearly didn’t need to move to do what he wanted Samehada to do
wrong asf the only people who can have an easier time with kisame are pure taijutsu users idk what would happen if he fought a genjutsu user thou givben samehada is alive and could agitate kisames chakra out of the genjutsu@@ShockwaveITB
I feel like kisame vs guy wasn’t brought up. He fought guy without samehada and forced him to go to 7th gate and use one of his strongest attacks and kisame still survived. This all without samehada and guy being the biggest counter in the verse for kisame. So I don’t get how they got to the conclusion that kisame would be weak and is only strong with samehada
Oro got “blitzed” while sick with a body rejecting him. He got “blitzed” by a sick blind itachi these are just two nerfed fighters. It doesn’t show any one being objectively better than another. It’s not even a blitz because Oro decided to tank the attack stating did u think an attack like that …. And there is no ! above his head
I agree about Orochimaru tanking it not even trying to dodge cause he literally laughed and called it a puny attack right after and we know he doesn't care much about tanking attacks head on. But I really don't think Itachi's Susanoo's combat speed was slower cause he was physically weak and blind at the moment. His attacks with Susanoo were all mental. Susanoo's speed was def not nerfed
It's always so weird to scale Konan because the only fight we see her in where she didn't have prep time was Jiraiya. Honestly, I feel like Konan was one of the most wasted characters. 1)She's hot, 2)She's hot, 3)She had almost no lines, no fights, and honestly it feels like her fight with Obito only happened so Kishimoto could get rid of her. Oh, and I wanna say.. Konan strikes me as the type of Shinobi who would be really intellegent during a fight, like Kakashi or Shikamaru. I feel as tho she'd be good at observing her opponents. Team Konan for life.
19:31 Deidara did react to chidori while on the dragon. I mean, Deidara scales to Hebi Saskue in speed, while on his summons. He was about to get blitzed on the ground for sure though.
I always felt that whenever itachi encountered orochimaru he always used his strongest ability before orochimaru even gets serious because he’s knows that if orochimaru goes all out the fight would be 50/50
the thing about making an argument for Orochimaru is that, with the way the character is written, he will most likely only face these characters with preperation, minus Sasori - narratively I can see them clashing due to Kabuto at some point (in the event that he doesn't die against Chiyo+Sakura). For all the doujutsu users I can see him reanimating Minato to gang up on them. It's hard to make these videos 'realistically' but i like to consider what would be in character for each involved. I know some will read this and think "well everyone will get prep time then" but most of the akatsuki just arrive to their battles as they are. Always prepared for a fight, but never preparing largely differently for seperate fights
Poison comparison. Hanzo’s poison is stronger but its near natural salamander poison Sasori’s poison is worse but is harder to create an antidote for because it’s synthetic and designed for that purpose
Orochimaru only left the Akatsuki ten years after Naruto was born, and they started the hunt five years later once they had the requisite funding. Sasori wields Sandaime Kazekage with his chakra, yet Sandaime Kazekage is not his strongest puppet, he is. So he is stronger than Sandaime Kazekage off of that alone. Considering Chiyo was in a position to call the Salamander "mask face", I think there is a different narrative implication. Sasori is also constantly updating and iterating off of his poison as noted in Akatsuki Hiden, and he notes it should essentially be impossible to concoct an antidote. This is despite the fact his grandmother is right there, which would suggest it is another level up. As for the degree to which it takes to kill, Sasori might have made it last longer to make it more agonizing. He likely would create an instant kill poison if he wanted to since even Shizune can do so. Sasori can still bind Orochimaru with stand even if he is immune to poison much like how Gaara bound Madara. Hashirama and Tobirama would also be affected by the poison as even Hanzō was able to be afflicted by his own poison, so they would very quickly be nicked and paralyzed. The same would apply to Manda, so Orochimaru would likely not want to summon him, which will mean the hundred puppets are a viable tactic. Sasori is not specifically an enemy of Suna since he does not specifically target it, any more than any other Akatsuki, and obviously Orochimaru is not stronger than Pain. B's Lariat is noted in Jin no Sho to essentially be partially Lightning Release Chakra Mode with strength and speed and Samehada still manages to intercept it. Kisame is a battle manic who enjoys combat and was eager to fight the second most powerful bijū when less than half of the next one up defeated two Sannin. He may be wary but it is not really going to stop him from trying in a hypothetical match-up. It might actually make him fuse with Samehada sooner which would be less than ideal for Orochimaru. Gamabunta made note of "snake jerky" when faced with Manda so the degree to which Samehada would "taste" is up for debate. It had no issue ripping Naruto's partially Kurama-laced chakra which is actually poison. It is possible the Blade of Kusanagi's sharpness is a property of chakra, in which case Samehada would block it before it made contact, much like how it did with B's own blades. If not, Kisame could just fuse with Samehada and ignore the cuts since he could instantly regenerate whilst slowly sapping Orochimaru's chakra. Similarly, Kisame might also be able to overpower Orochimaru's juin as Sasuke did, especially if he takes chakra from or fuses with Samehada. Alternatively, Samehada could absorb it from Kisame. Jigokudō is likely the weakest Path.
Something crazy to think about, if Orochimaru's hydra form is a jutsu, when Itachi stabs Orochimaru with the Totsuka blade it absorbs/seals the jutsu and Orochimaru. Does that mean the Totsuka blade could theoretically absorb other large scale jutsu like a Susanoo, the gravity sphere of a chibaku tensei, the meteor from Madara's meteor rain attack. This likely isn't and wouldn't be the case ut it IS something fun to think about.
the blade must stab something to seal it's very precise and takes a long time, even if he seals a giant rock from the middle I think the ends of it would fall on the ground near him
BTW, the second Kazekage was Shamon, who was a puppet user, and the first one to be able to control multiple puppets at once. He may have also been the one who sealed Shukaku into Bunpuku, which would make him the first person outside of the leaf to do so. Take that last statement with a grain of salt, the timeline of Bunpuku is unclear, especially since we have no information on the second one tail jinchuriki.
Woah don’t act like he didn’t clearly lift samehada to shred the chakra from bee’s pencil. There’s a reason he lost to Gai. Orochimaru is a survival specialist. You’re basically saying orochimaru is more dangerous than killer bee. Naruto chakra was considered sinister and nasty so of course bee’s would be too. Gotta go back and observe
orochimaru is one of the most underrated characters in naruto shippuden i messed the days of naruto pre ts era everyone was relevant to each other and the higher tiers characters were not so high but boy oh boy does this power scaling goes crazy...
@@thefuturefighter8215 that in the last arc and a character like madara who has being built ever since part one and all of Shippuden need to be powerful or people won't care just look how much madara pupuler is and the power scaling in dragon ball is the worse
@@thefuturefighter8215 it seems that you forget that Naruto has that power inside of him kishimoto set up those events ever since part one the tailed beast boom was set up for chapter one
@@Virhtuethere isn’t a maybe that’s what it means to master a chakra nature being able to manipulate and implement it at ease otherwise what would be the point to mastering it? Channeling a chakra nature through an object such a sword is something even b list characters can do Orochimaru is a kage level shinobi and a genius.
@@Virhtue Blades are, I don't know, made of metal? Metal, I don't know, conducts electricity? Even if he doesn't impregnate the body with the element (which he can do because he mastered all) you ignore basic physical properties.
Hidan loses versus orochimaru 10/10, but we also have to keep in mind that he went toe to toe against Kakashi in taijutsu, so Hidan is really fast as opposed to what everyone (even himself ) says
Kakashi also had to be preoccupied with Kakuzu attacking at the same time. I think if Kakuzu wasn’t there providing some distraction, Kakashi would have destroyed Hidan in short order even with only Taijutsu.
I would love to see a video that scales current oro(all boruto powers) with old characters that were above him in powerscaling and if they would still be above him or not.
You guys say that kisame should fear oro because of reputation, but the two people he trusts most are itachi and tobi. If he's hearing stories from them, i feel like he would try to shove oro into the same locker his edo tenseis came from before taking him seriously
Great video, by the way. Please make a detailed video about, Edo Nagato (Red hair and Young) & Edo Itachi (With the crow that has Shisui's eyes) VS The Five Kage (That fight it Madara, A with both arms) & Danzo, Thank you very much for all of the great analysis and matchups videos you make they're all are very good.
Great video man!🔥 Orochimaru can blitz deidara but not sasori? Deidara has the better speed feats/scaling. Put some respect on deidara! Orochimaru vs kisame is definitely the closest match up. I agree with your samehada scaling, but 100% going to be a battle of nutrition. Kisames win condition is super water shark bomb and orochimarus win condition is to out last him or cut his head off early. I’d bet on kisame only bc he can use super water shark bomb a few times(super water shark bomb is more powerful than the 4tails Naruto biju bomb that would kill oro if it hit.) Orochimaru with edo hokages slams. 💪
@@Virhtue I know you don’t think deidara scales as high, but he still scales above sasori. Deidara has better speed, reaction and ap feats. C4 is more difficult to counter than figuring out about sasoris core.
I disagree only reason the 4 tails could “kill” Orochimaru is because his host body was already at its limit and breaking down prime Oro is a completely different ball game to the Oro who fought Naruto
@@tmd-w1552 orochimaru doesn’t have regeneration like perfect cell or majin buu. If that 4tails biju bomb hit orochimaru directly it would have killed him, rejected body or not. Stat wise orochimaru is stronger than kisame but the super water shark bomb scales higher than kisame himself. The super water shark bomb was able to rival 7th gate guys hirudora despite kisame scaling far below 7th gate guy. I think it’s extremely close basically a coin flip. In character orochimaru would run away before the fight would get that close.
@@mattmcwhirt4146 ......... idk if your being serious or not. First of all Orochimaru definitely has a certain level of regenerative abilities before gaining the zetsu body secondly why r u acting like we haven't literally seen Orochimaru spit out a whole new body with zero damage 😂😂
Something everyone seems to forget about these "we'll I'm flying gg." characters is that earth style can literally let most people go underground... like, it's a D-rank jutsu buddy... try as you might you aren't getting through 30 feet of earth with your basic garbage, on top of not being able to find them. Orochimaru can also just dead ass grow his neck super long and just snipe him out of the air with the Kusanagi blade. his neck was what 100 feet long when he pinned 4 tails cloak naruto to a wall with Kusanagi? while his original body was also far away after getting "hit" by the blast of the Tailed Beast Bomb.
Yeah that is a really interesting idea, I mean yes she could be poisoned however, it’s more of that, “could they pull it off” and I think it’s kind of, character based from there
A counter point to Samehada not wanting to eat Oro's chakra, Sharks are known to be major predators of sea snakes, so he would likely love the chakra close to or as much as Bee's. I don't think Samehada not liking Fire chakra is equivalent to "evil" chakra. If anything, he probably enjoys it more, since he ate Kurama's chakra (who was pretty evil at the time) and didn't complain. Oro can probably still win, just not as easily as you think.
Does Enma literally call Hiruzen out for fighting like ass against Orochimaru? That, and Hiruzen also has an exolicit solidification of mindset to kill Orochimaru. Then i was confused as to how Orochimaru scales to Hiruzen while using 50% Hashi and Tobi who are clearly still S rank at thst level.
Orochimaru and Hiruzen communication style is so secretive. They both desire the same things it’s just hiruzen is symbolic about it for Orochimaru to observe and no one else. Orochimaru even know hiruzen would “find” him and the dude with the x on his face. Danzo. Hiruzen and Orochimaru both were just monitoring Danzo.
1 its ninjutsu 2 it requires a fuckton of chakra to be used and 3 itd obviously a last resort jutsu he wouldnt use right out of the gate by the time he d wanna use this he d have nochakra to do so oh one last thing kisame was strong enough to beat 2 jinchuurikis on his own and samehada slapped them right outta their forms it wouldnt be any different here
@@potheadraccoon8536nope . You forgot his powerful ass summons and poisons… you forget he mastered all chakra natures.kusanagi is a serious problem. That blade cuts anything and even enma said it was hurting him when the blade would touch him. Emma has more endurance than samehada…. So u know the blade is going to to cut it. Kisame knows the Sannin are in a whole other league.
All im saying aboit the "fights" oro had with itachi,oro was trying to sneak on itachi but itachi was more of a sneak thats all nothing to scale. I do think itachi would still win bit its not a breeze as you claim it to be Virhtue and Tg; it just isnt
Yeah, their take is such a casual take that is straight up wrong. Almost any ninja no matter how op would be in Orochimaru's situation if they arrogantly and carelessly looked Itachi in the eyes. Orochimaru clearly underestimated him and didn't expect his genjutsu to be that powerful. Orochimaru with knowledge about Itachi would give him one hell of a fight, and would have a good chance of winning if it's Itachi's in his final stages of ninja cancer.
@@The__DeadmanTbf even at Peak Oro never dreamed of trying to fight Itachi again he literally gave up on that and spent 3 years training Sasuke. If he thought could take Itachi he would have. Even the Itachi that fought Sasuke basically one shot Orichimaru 😂
Also hanzo couldn't alter/change his poison and make the antidote requirements different, and sasori could/did. So the fact that hanzos was still si feared years later is saying something about how strong it was
Now I'm not saying Sasori poison would work or wouldn't work but I think its kind of disingenuous to say well orochimaru survived poison before so therefore he could have resistance to poison, as if all poisons are the same and work the same. That's kind of like saying well I survived a .22 bullet so i should be ok and survive from a 9mm, .45, 50 cal etc. I mean bullets are bullets.
I actually think Oro loses to Hidan. Oro fights kinda recklessly since hes so slippery and even kid Sasuke was able to beat him up a little so Hidan would be able to get blood from Oro and conduct his ceremony. Oro might have weird anatomy and all but i dont think he survives getting stabbed in the heart.
@@hankhill2154 You misunderstood the assignment. Oro's an overconfident idiot, n Hidan's an immortal buffoon. Oro would fuck Hidan without trying, n that's how the buffoon would get his victory. Oro would underestimate him, not know his jutsu and trick; n thusly lose. Oro was taken down by a 14 year old Itachi, don't forget. That led him into hiding like a bitch for YEARS.
When Orochimaru brought back the elders for Sasuke. The Second stated were almost at full power to the 1st. An he brought the 3rd an 4th with them. All 4 almost at full power
With higher interpretations, in Naruto Retsuden, Naruto gets really sick and can’t use ninjutsu and Orochimaru beats him down to the ground pretty bad, I don’t like this scaling as I do believe Naruto is way weaker since we know characters amp their bodies with chakra and Naruto can’t, Naruto did also enter SM before going into Oro’s hideout maybe implying that base wouldn’t be enough, but you could just say that’s Naruto being cautious with Oro’s personality. So you can scale him high but I’m not a fan of those arguments!
Orochimaru has planetary defenses. To kill him you either need to kill him faster than he can place curse marks on people or kill him and every other person at once.
Orochimaru will outlive everyone, genuinely it’s scary. In the end when everyone has stories to tell, Orochimaru will be laughing. How do you kill something that has so many lives? Terrifying.
why Kisame? The peak Kisame was that strong only due to feeding of 8-Tails chakra which Samehada really craved for. But Orochimaru's chakra isn't that strong and probably too foul to be consumed. Samehada is actually quite picky. Not to mention that Oro can easily fight on the distance. I would say it's high diff but still in Oro's favor. The reast on the list are stomping, there is no doubt.
1. Orochimaru just outright slaps Hidan around, Easy Diff. 2. He's kinda equal to Kakuzu, I think it's 50/50. Very High Diff/Loss for Orochimaru 3. I'm almost certain the fight against Deidara ends with Orochimaru winning. He can counter anything Deidara does with Lightning style, has more survivability than Sasuke and can live through C0 with Manda like Sasuke did. Mid/High Diff. 4. Sasori loses to Orochimaru, not really a hard one. I'm not even trying to underestimate Sasori, I just don't really see how he can win unless Orochimaru doesn't take him seriously. It's still a Mid Diff fight though. 5. I don't think you're giving enough credit to Kisame. Orochimaru has a chance of beating him but it's not as though Kisame is useless without Samehada etc. Kinda 50/50 like with Kakuzu. It's a Very High Diff/Loss for Orochimaru. 6. Konan can beat Orochimaru in specific neishe scenarios, but we're talking about a normal 1v1 Orochimaru wins Mid Diff. 7. Pain destroys him. I don't even see a wincon for Oro, it's Easy Diff for Pain though it might take some time to actually put Orochimaru in the dirt. 8. I think a Re-match between Orochimaru and Itachi would be a lot more interesting. Yeah we saw the first fight which Orochimaru got stomped but that's cause Itachi has a move that can one shot even the strongest characters if they don't have any prep/knowledge to counter it. If they fought again the fight would last a lot longer, I still see Itachi winning but it'd be a High Diff fight.
Hidan ability is just voodoo. It's not a magical "I stab myself, you die". He stabs himself and the enemy receives the same damage. If he tries to kill Orochimaru he'll just be stabbed and not care at all.
I just think it's funny that Itachi scared Orochimaru out of the Akatsuki with his BASE Sharingan on their first bout and then bodied Oro in his strongest form with the Totsuka blade on their second bout while dying and mostly blind! 😂
I never like just giving Orochimaru edo tensei because he needs a living sacrifice. People keep forgetting that. Where will he get living sacrifices during these battles? Also, poison doesn't work as you describe it. There is no such thing as generic poison resistance. You must know a poison's source to be able to effectively create an antidote for it. Without having experienced a poison before, it is not likely that there is a resistance to it. The nine tails chakra example is bad logic. Just because the effects of the chakra are similar to a poison doesn't make it work like a poison. The nine tails chakra is toxic because of the hate and evil in it. The chakra is vile because of Kurama's emotional state, butbit changes in the war arc, which isnwhy Naruto can share it with thousands of shinobi. Orochimaru's chakra was vile like Kurama's at that time, which would explain his resistance to the effects of Kurama's chakra.
I’m confused tho bc oro’s hydra form isn’t a summoning technique is it? I thought it was like a psedo sage mode bc his body couldn’t enter true snake sage mode
Suigestus statement is a misinterpretation 😭, danzo vague statement could have been in reference to anything especially reputation or a respected kage. This is why scaling based on statements leads to faulty conclusions
I personally think Kisame is being downplayed as i think he has better Taijutsu and Ninjutsu feats than itachi through Raikage and Bee scalling though i still think Orochimaru beats him, and i think it's wank to say Itachi one shot him as it was only after Orochimaru's true body was shown did Itachi cheat and use Totsuka Blade Hax,as Hydra Form was overpowering the Sussano, and Also Edo Tensei should be able to deal with Itachi as Genjutsu is really only Itachi's win con against Orochimaru, and he was never shown at full power till the war arc and War Arc Orochimaru negs Itachi no dif
I will say first and foremost, TG has changed his opinion a bit but I really haven’t, Itachi scales to KCM1 and Kisame doesn’t scale to a Bee who is unquantifiable
@@Virhtue Ive heard the KCM 1 scaling but I feel it's Disingenuous given that he just made an army of Shadow clones spread across the entire planet and had just fought the Raikage and broke through Mutiple barriers and when the fight starts they're walking probably trying to regain chakra,I personally believe due to chakra loss he's weaker than Bee in that battle , not only that nothing implies Narutos going all out , and the Raikage's speed is extremely overhyped by statements and the feats say hes faster but still relevant to characters most think are slower, he's a speedster yes but not because he's faster than everyone else but because hes a one trick pony,but at the end of the day it can only be chalked up to agree to disagree
@@darthnovo3526War Arc Orochimaru beats Akatsuki all at once lol. Entering Sage Mode should be easy now cause of his Zetsu body made of Hashi cells. He couldn't before cause of his weak host bodies. SM Oro should be >> SM Kabuto. + 4 Edo Hokages. Yes, Hashirama too, He can just put a kunai tag inside Hashi's Edo body and make him an emotionless puppet, who can't try to break out of Edo. So yeah, War Arc Orochimaru destroys Akatsuki.
War Arc Orochimaru beats all of Akatsuki at once. We know that he had Senjutsu chakra but couldn't enter Sage Mode cause of his weak host bodies(as stated by Kabuto). After getting an op Zetsu body made of Hashi cells, that's obviously not a problem anymore. SM Orochimaru should be >> SM Kabuto who would beat Itachi and Sasuke if not for Izanami, and Orochimaru knows who he is and what he wants, not insecure like Kabuto and Obito, so Izanami isn't working. He also has 4 Edo Hokages, yeah Hashirama too. If he wanted to control him he could put a kunai tag inside his head and switch his personality off, so he can't try to break out of it. So yeah he destroys the Akatsuki badly.
The only issue i continue to hear is tje sannin scaling vs itachi and the pain bodies more so with itachi. Oro was absorbed and supressed in a weakened form then fights itachi and its being called his strongest present form(might be his strongest technique but not his best condition) And sm jiraya cant be compared to that lame summon.Edo tensei is orocharus strongest summon. Ma or pa would destroy the hydra with compressed water like a fruit ninja 😂.
Lmao Orochimaru called V4 Susanoo's Totsuka attack a puny attack, if it didn't have sealing properties that's all it would be for Oro. Ma and Pa are nothing compared to V4 Susanoo lmao
@@Virhtue Cause he couldn't use the countless forbidden jutsus that he learned throughout decades, no elemental jutsus along with Hydra form and could only use summons and Kusanagi??? 😭 His hands were sealed remember? That's a huge nerf for someone who has the best hype for countless ninjutsu, that he researched and learned. Also it makes sense for him not to be in his best condition stat wise considering that Kabuto got some of Oro's power from Great White Snake's corpse, which Oro took back when he got revived in War Arc.
@@The__Deadman imagine if tsunade learnt sage mode🤣 she would beat everybody. Sm attacks are underrated.if Raikage and tsunade can Crack a susanoo then sm water attack can Crack it(hot take I guess)
The guy who has NEVER won a fight? Lol. Was even with Asuma and even let Asuma cut him. Was basically evens with pre-shipuden Kisame. Lost to Gai x2. Lost to Bee. Evens with suigetsu in the anime, or was that the game? Admitted he was no match for Jiraiya. And is a 7 swordsman, we know they’re weak cos all of them got whooped. But Kisames so overrated
You really think asuma could have done anything to Kisame if kisame were free to engage? Amazing. Gai released inner gates against a kisame who had 20 percent of his chakra. He didn't lose to bee, bee was done fair and square aganst a full power bee but then again bee's mission was infiltration at which he succeeded. Even among 7 swordman, samehada wielders were seen as inhumane. I don't know why are you commenting but stop. Just because you can type and have access to internet, doesn't mean you have to publish anything. @@markmiller6111
@@firesoliderrinfan1 he ran from Jiraiya with Itachi, and said to Itachi himself he can’t beat Jiraiya lol. Then got beat by Gai 3x. Got cut by asuma. Man shakes at the thought of sannin. They literally avoided abducting Naruto because Jiraiya was with him. You have to be retarded to think he claps Jiraiya
I'd like to point out that Orochimaru, crippled and on the verge of death, won that fight with Sasuke. If he had been going for the kill instead of trying to take him over, Sasuke is dead.
Yeah, he was reacting to, combating and was confident is changing bodies with Sasuke, but was caught offguard with genjutsu, which is pretty consistent with his character
In my opinion Sasuke lost to Orochimaru the moment he absorbed him into his body. If Itachi didnt take Orochimaru out of Sasuke he would have eventually taken him over.
i agree
Head cannon
Sasuke knew it too though. He didn’t care as long as his goal was accomplished.
@@spit-fire the funny thing is, though, it didn’t help him beat Itachi at all.
@@___________0Z0X won’t say at all because sasuke does reference in the fight “wounds like this won’t slow me down” cause he’s recovering faster as he says after the diedera fight that happened like the day or 2 before
It's actually crazy that noodles wanked Kakuzu so high that people still laugh about it today xD great video guys, my favorite duo last time.
Love to hear that my friend, we will have much more coming!
I'd laugh if anyone wanked kakuzu too or any other guy for that matter 😂😂😂
He ruined him now everyone downplays him in vs battles because of that and losing to main character with new jutsu
Can’t go wrong with a TG collab 💪
True, great friend
always good to see some virthue and TG on a saturday 💯
You already know!
You’re pretty off base in the Sasori section so here’s a few corrections and criticisms. For one we are directly told in the third databook that they fought in a difficult battle. I actually spoke to a Japanese translator and went over the original text which directly uses the word opponent (in a contest / combat) and it saying that Sasori receives joy from battling strong opponents and turning them into puppets. The implications of this are very clear and I truly do not understand why the fandom at large just doesn’t accept them when they’re reiterated multiple times but will accept random one off databook statement number 27463892.
We also LITERALLY see Sasori and chiyo having equal combat & reaction speed, with Chiyo reacting to and intercepting all of the iron sand attacks, including the iron sand spears that were “greatly increased” in speed. Sasori even implies she could’ve just straight up dodged the iron sand shower had she not been protecting Sakura (which is fully consistent with what we see in the Kabuto and Itachi fight, that protecting other people can slow you down).
The rasa arguments are also really weird, Gaara’s gourd sand is at a set speed, he doesn’t “accelerate it.” Rasa reacts to Gaara’s special sand twice just fine AFTER Gaara attacks him first. This idea that Gaara’s sand is exponentially faster than Rasa’s just doesn’t hold up, sorry. It’s headcanon. They clash equally in speed and power during the entire fight even without Rasa mixing the gold into the sand, so they’re equal. It is really that simple.
I don’t even think Sasori beats Orochimaru, in fact I think Prime Oro mid to high diffs every grunt tier Akatsuki member. But these arguments were pretty bad.
I agree with everything but the Gara sand
If gara sand is at a set speed than it would never get faster or slower meaning that part 1 lee is faster than raikage
@@sebtw8918I don’t think by meant that the sand isn’t capable of increasing speed. I think what they’re saying is that the speed the sand moves at is fixed to Gaaras on general speed or a fixed speed the sand possesses. Gaara can’t accelerate or decelerate the sand at a moments notice unless actively manipulating it.
@@Silva-ek9hd oh
I never thought about like that your probably right
@@sebtw8918 What I meant to say is that Gaara’s special sand only scales to him in speed. It’s his fastest sand, but he doesn’t possess the ability to magically make it faster beyond the power of the chakra he pours into it beforehand. That’s how it’s explained to is. It’s just silly to say he’s exponentially faster than Rasa anyway when rasa doesn’t struggle to react to any of his attacks aside from point blank range sneak attacks. Gaara literally had to make Onoki amp his sand in speed because he doesn’t have that ability. Also Gaara isn’t faster than the Raikage anyway, he only ever intercepted the guillotine drop which is notable slower than the Raikage’s body flicker.
I don’t know why Gaara (end of war arc) > Sasori /3rd Kazekage > Gaara > Rasa is so weirdly controversial among power scalers when it’s literally just what’s in the manga
@@hobbyhorse5848 thanks for clarifying. I appreciate your input and comments. And I learned something else new.
Gonna be honest yall i think you guys took the most generous interpretation of nearly every interaction the man has ever had
It was a rather generous interpretation fs but we did as like, a give him the benefit of the doubt thing
Best Oro video out there 🔥
Cool seeing you here.
“Samehada moved to dodge while kisame didn’t move his hand.”
Well why would he need to? He clearly didn’t need to move to do what he wanted Samehada to do
Exactly
Kisame downplay is atrocious other than that y’all was cookin still gave the vid a like
Appreciate that!
Kisame is king of situational. He can quickly get OP but if approached properly he can be taken care of.
wrong asf the only people who can have an easier time with kisame are pure taijutsu users idk what would happen if he fought a genjutsu user thou givben samehada is alive and could agitate kisames chakra out of the genjutsu@@ShockwaveITB
I feel like kisame vs guy wasn’t brought up. He fought guy without samehada and forced him to go to 7th gate and use one of his strongest attacks and kisame still survived. This all without samehada and guy being the biggest counter in the verse for kisame. So I don’t get how they got to the conclusion that kisame would be weak and is only strong with samehada
Good point.@@Qilver
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Thank you my man, many more to come
Oro got “blitzed” while sick with a body rejecting him. He got “blitzed” by a sick blind itachi these are just two nerfed fighters. It doesn’t show any one being objectively better than another. It’s not even a blitz because Oro decided to tank the attack stating did u think an attack like that …. And there is no ! above his head
I agree about Orochimaru tanking it not even trying to dodge cause he literally laughed and called it a puny attack right after and we know he doesn't care much about tanking attacks head on.
But I really don't think Itachi's Susanoo's combat speed was slower cause he was physically weak and blind at the moment. His attacks with Susanoo were all mental. Susanoo's speed was def not nerfed
@@The__Deadman true and we know t.blade is variation of grass long sword and we see the sword expand at will(Oro vs 4tails)
It's always so weird to scale Konan because the only fight we see her in where she didn't have prep time was Jiraiya.
Honestly, I feel like Konan was one of the most wasted characters. 1)She's hot, 2)She's hot, 3)She had almost no lines, no fights, and honestly it feels like her fight with Obito only happened so Kishimoto could get rid of her.
Oh, and I wanna say.. Konan strikes me as the type of Shinobi who would be really intellegent during a fight, like Kakashi or Shikamaru. I feel as tho she'd be good at observing her opponents.
Team Konan for life.
I’m actually a really big fan of her narrative
the reasoning goes crazy I feel that 💀
Wheres the guy saying Kakazu fought Hashirama so he's Hashirama level? 😂
Yeah! Lord of Thunder is here.
I always enjoy listening to him , Virtue is kool too. 👍
19:31 Deidara did react to chidori while on the dragon. I mean, Deidara scales to Hebi Saskue in speed, while on his summons. He was about to get blitzed on the ground for sure though.
They ignore that sadly.
fair
I always felt that whenever itachi encountered orochimaru he always used his strongest ability before orochimaru even gets serious because he’s knows that if orochimaru goes all out the fight would be 50/50
the thing about making an argument for Orochimaru is that, with the way the character is written, he will most likely only face these characters with preperation, minus Sasori - narratively I can see them clashing due to Kabuto at some point (in the event that he doesn't die against Chiyo+Sakura). For all the doujutsu users I can see him reanimating Minato to gang up on them. It's hard to make these videos 'realistically' but i like to consider what would be in character for each involved. I know some will read this and think "well everyone will get prep time then" but most of the akatsuki just arrive to their battles as they are. Always prepared for a fight, but never preparing largely differently for seperate fights
Poison comparison. Hanzo’s poison is stronger but its near natural salamander poison
Sasori’s poison is worse but is harder to create an antidote for because it’s synthetic and designed for that purpose
Orochimaru only left the Akatsuki ten years after Naruto was born, and they started the hunt five years later once they had the requisite funding.
Sasori wields Sandaime Kazekage with his chakra, yet Sandaime Kazekage is not his strongest puppet, he is. So he is stronger than Sandaime Kazekage off of that alone.
Considering Chiyo was in a position to call the Salamander "mask face", I think there is a different narrative implication. Sasori is also constantly updating and iterating off of his poison as noted in Akatsuki Hiden, and he notes it should essentially be impossible to concoct an antidote. This is despite the fact his grandmother is right there, which would suggest it is another level up. As for the degree to which it takes to kill, Sasori might have made it last longer to make it more agonizing. He likely would create an instant kill poison if he wanted to since even Shizune can do so.
Sasori can still bind Orochimaru with stand even if he is immune to poison much like how Gaara bound Madara. Hashirama and Tobirama would also be affected by the poison as even Hanzō was able to be afflicted by his own poison, so they would very quickly be nicked and paralyzed. The same would apply to Manda, so Orochimaru would likely not want to summon him, which will mean the hundred puppets are a viable tactic. Sasori is not specifically an enemy of Suna since he does not specifically target it, any more than any other Akatsuki, and obviously Orochimaru is not stronger than Pain.
B's Lariat is noted in Jin no Sho to essentially be partially Lightning Release Chakra Mode with strength and speed and Samehada still manages to intercept it. Kisame is a battle manic who enjoys combat and was eager to fight the second most powerful bijū when less than half of the next one up defeated two Sannin. He may be wary but it is not really going to stop him from trying in a hypothetical match-up. It might actually make him fuse with Samehada sooner which would be less than ideal for Orochimaru.
Gamabunta made note of "snake jerky" when faced with Manda so the degree to which Samehada would "taste" is up for debate. It had no issue ripping Naruto's partially Kurama-laced chakra which is actually poison.
It is possible the Blade of Kusanagi's sharpness is a property of chakra, in which case Samehada would block it before it made contact, much like how it did with B's own blades. If not, Kisame could just fuse with Samehada and ignore the cuts since he could instantly regenerate whilst slowly sapping Orochimaru's chakra. Similarly, Kisame might also be able to overpower Orochimaru's juin as Sasuke did, especially if he takes chakra from or fuses with Samehada. Alternatively, Samehada could absorb it from Kisame.
Jigokudō is likely the weakest Path.
Something crazy to think about, if Orochimaru's hydra form is a jutsu, when Itachi stabs Orochimaru with the Totsuka blade it absorbs/seals the jutsu and Orochimaru. Does that mean the Totsuka blade could theoretically absorb other large scale jutsu like a Susanoo, the gravity sphere of a chibaku tensei, the meteor from Madara's meteor rain attack. This likely isn't and wouldn't be the case ut it IS something fun to think about.
the blade must stab something to seal it's very precise and takes a long time, even if he seals a giant rock from the middle I think the ends of it would fall on the ground near him
BTW, the second Kazekage was Shamon, who was a puppet user, and the first one to be able to control multiple puppets at once. He may have also been the one who sealed Shukaku into Bunpuku, which would make him the first person outside of the leaf to do so. Take that last statement with a grain of salt, the timeline of Bunpuku is unclear, especially since we have no information on the second one tail jinchuriki.
The Shukaku piece was likely Reto
you and thunder god oil up this instant!
D-d-did you s-say OIL?!!?!?!?!
Jiraiya completed 137 s rank mission cc without getting close to dying. Those are feats Kisame is basing his opinion on and a lot of them haha
Woah don’t act like he didn’t clearly lift samehada to shred the chakra from bee’s pencil. There’s a reason he lost to Gai. Orochimaru is a survival specialist. You’re basically saying orochimaru is more dangerous than killer bee. Naruto chakra was considered sinister and nasty so of course bee’s would be too. Gotta go back and observe
orochimaru is one of the most underrated characters in naruto shippuden i messed the days of naruto pre ts era everyone was relevant to each other and the higher tiers characters were not so high but boy oh boy does this power scaling goes crazy...
You know that power of the villains were established in part one like madara and pain and the akatsuki
@@ayhamahmad2277 yeah but seeing the scale of power in naruto go so high made it look more like dragon ball but worse
@@thefuturefighter8215 that in the last arc and a character like madara who has being built ever since part one and all of Shippuden need to be powerful or people won't care just look how much madara pupuler is and the power scaling in dragon ball is the worse
orochimaru got ruined in shippuden
@@thefuturefighter8215 it seems that you forget that Naruto has that power inside of him kishimoto set up those events ever since part one the tailed beast boom was set up for chapter one
Yep, Oro- sama is definitely up there
12:28 Oro knows all 5 chakra natures he could easily lace grass long sword in lightning and attack
Right
Maybe
@@Virhtuethere isn’t a maybe that’s what it means to master a chakra nature being able to manipulate and implement it at ease otherwise what would be the point to mastering it? Channeling a chakra nature through an object such a sword is something even b list characters can do Orochimaru is a kage level shinobi and a genius.
@@tmd-w1552 what😭 where tf did you get me questioning that link in your rationale, your “he could put lightning on his sword” is just baseless
@@Virhtue Blades are, I don't know, made of metal? Metal, I don't know, conducts electricity? Even if he doesn't impregnate the body with the element (which he can do because he mastered all) you ignore basic physical properties.
Hidan loses versus orochimaru 10/10, but we also have to keep in mind that he went toe to toe against Kakashi in taijutsu, so Hidan is really fast as opposed to what everyone (even himself ) says
Kakashi also had to be preoccupied with Kakuzu attacking at the same time. I think if Kakuzu wasn’t there providing some distraction, Kakashi would have destroyed Hidan in short order even with only Taijutsu.
I would love to see a video that scales current oro(all boruto powers) with old characters that were above him in powerscaling and if they would still be above him or not.
That’s interesting
21:58 so you're saying based on headcanon Orochimaru wins
Every theoretical fight is headcanon lol
You guys say that kisame should fear oro because of reputation, but the two people he trusts most are itachi and tobi. If he's hearing stories from them, i feel like he would try to shove oro into the same locker his edo tenseis came from before taking him seriously
Great video, by the way.
Please make a detailed video about, Edo Nagato (Red hair and Young) & Edo Itachi (With the crow that has Shisui's eyes) VS The Five Kage (That fight it Madara, A with both arms) & Danzo, Thank you very much for all of the great analysis and matchups videos you make they're all are very good.
Great video man!🔥
Orochimaru can blitz deidara but not sasori? Deidara has the better speed feats/scaling. Put some respect on deidara!
Orochimaru vs kisame is definitely the closest match up. I agree with your samehada scaling, but 100% going to be a battle of nutrition. Kisames win condition is super water shark bomb and orochimarus win condition is to out last him or cut his head off early. I’d bet on kisame only bc he can use super water shark bomb a few times(super water shark bomb is more powerful than the 4tails Naruto biju bomb that would kill oro if it hit.)
Orochimaru with edo hokages slams. 💪
I have a video on Sasori vs Deidara if would be interested in more reasoning to that
@@Virhtue I know you don’t think deidara scales as high, but he still scales above sasori.
Deidara has better speed, reaction and ap feats. C4 is more difficult to counter than figuring out about sasoris core.
I disagree only reason the 4 tails could “kill” Orochimaru is because his host body was already at its limit and breaking down prime Oro is a completely different ball game to the Oro who fought Naruto
@@tmd-w1552 orochimaru doesn’t have regeneration like perfect cell or majin buu.
If that 4tails biju bomb hit orochimaru directly it would have killed him, rejected body or not.
Stat wise orochimaru is stronger than kisame but the super water shark bomb scales higher than kisame himself. The super water shark bomb was able to rival 7th gate guys hirudora despite kisame scaling far below 7th gate guy. I think it’s extremely close basically a coin flip.
In character orochimaru would run away before the fight would get that close.
@@mattmcwhirt4146 ......... idk if your being serious or not. First of all Orochimaru definitely has a certain level of regenerative abilities before gaining the zetsu body secondly why r u acting like we haven't literally seen Orochimaru spit out a whole new body with zero damage 😂😂
Eeeeh our man TG
Something everyone seems to forget about these "we'll I'm flying gg." characters is that earth style can literally let most people go underground... like, it's a D-rank jutsu buddy... try as you might you aren't getting through 30 feet of earth with your basic garbage, on top of not being able to find them. Orochimaru can also just dead ass grow his neck super long and just snipe him out of the air with the Kusanagi blade. his neck was what 100 feet long when he pinned 4 tails cloak naruto to a wall with Kusanagi? while his original body was also far away after getting "hit" by the blast of the Tailed Beast Bomb.
Y'all indirectly asked a good question. CAN Konan be poisoned? Like yeah she's human and all, but can you poison paper?
Yeah that is a really interesting idea, I mean yes she could be poisoned however, it’s more of that, “could they pull it off” and I think it’s kind of, character based from there
In human form she probably can be poisoned.
My goats tg and Virhtue lessgooo
Love to hear that my friend!
A counter point to Samehada not wanting to eat Oro's chakra, Sharks are known to be major predators of sea snakes, so he would likely love the chakra close to or as much as Bee's. I don't think Samehada not liking Fire chakra is equivalent to "evil" chakra. If anything, he probably enjoys it more, since he ate Kurama's chakra (who was pretty evil at the time) and didn't complain. Oro can probably still win, just not as easily as you think.
Orochimaru is such a twisted, wicked,slimey little bastard and i absolutely love him
"Kisame is weak without Semehada"
Kisame push guy to 7 th gate without semehada
Kisame destroy Orochimaru shippuden mid diff
How come orochimaru has his arms fighting 4 tails naruto but no arms fighting sasuke?
I dunno man Kakuzu’s RAW DURABILITY is wild and he didn’t not not kill Hashirama.
True, he did blitz and one shot big tree man
"Orochimaru vs the akatsuki is not close" who said it was ? Lol
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Does Enma literally call Hiruzen out for fighting like ass against Orochimaru? That, and Hiruzen also has an exolicit solidification of mindset to kill Orochimaru. Then i was confused as to how Orochimaru scales to Hiruzen while using 50% Hashi and Tobi who are clearly still S rank at thst level.
Where chapter does Minato claim he feels he could beat Pain? Because I don't find this anywhere.
But he can
Orochimaru and Hiruzen communication style is so secretive. They both desire the same things it’s just hiruzen is symbolic about it for Orochimaru to observe and no one else. Orochimaru even know hiruzen would “find” him and the dude with the x on his face. Danzo. Hiruzen and Orochimaru both were just monitoring Danzo.
The Kisame downplay is the worst. People always fail the mention super shark bomb. That is pretty op
And he pulls that off how
also ignoring the fact that kisame negates all of orochimarus arsenal with the exception of the kusanagi sword lol@@Virhtue
@@potheadraccoon8536how does he negate Oros Hydra form? 🧐🤔
1 its ninjutsu 2 it requires a fuckton of chakra to be used and 3 itd obviously a last resort jutsu he wouldnt use right out of the gate by the time he d wanna use this he d have nochakra to do so oh one last thing kisame was strong enough to beat 2 jinchuurikis on his own and samehada slapped them right outta their forms it wouldnt be any different here
@@potheadraccoon8536nope . You forgot his powerful ass summons and poisons… you forget he mastered all chakra natures.kusanagi is a serious problem. That blade cuts anything and even enma said it was hurting him when the blade would touch him. Emma has more endurance than samehada…. So u know the blade is going to to cut it. Kisame knows the Sannin are in a whole other league.
Orochimaru has lightning nature, and narratively was in the pursuit of every jutsu. He has high level lightning.
Why did kishimoto give itachi the sword of totsuka?
My believe is that itachi had no other way of dealing with orochimaru seriously.
All im saying aboit the "fights" oro had with itachi,oro was trying to sneak on itachi but itachi was more of a sneak thats all nothing to scale.
I do think itachi would still win bit its not a breeze as you claim it to be Virhtue and Tg; it just isnt
Yeah, their take is such a casual take that is straight up wrong.
Almost any ninja no matter how op would be in Orochimaru's situation if they arrogantly and carelessly looked Itachi in the eyes. Orochimaru clearly underestimated him and didn't expect his genjutsu to be that powerful.
Orochimaru with knowledge about Itachi would give him one hell of a fight, and would have a good chance of winning if it's Itachi's in his final stages of ninja cancer.
I mean I understand
@@The__DeadmanTbf even at Peak Oro never dreamed of trying to fight Itachi again he literally gave up on that and spent 3 years training Sasuke. If he thought could take Itachi he would have. Even the Itachi that fought Sasuke basically one shot Orichimaru 😂
Best part of Orochimaru vs Pain, Orochimaru can have his soul ripped out without it costing his opponent's life!
6:49 how is his arms broken but punchs 4 tails naruto
Also hanzo couldn't alter/change his poison and make the antidote requirements different, and sasori could/did. So the fact that hanzos was still si feared years later is saying something about how strong it was
The coolest sannin
Agreed
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Now I'm not saying Sasori poison would work or wouldn't work but I think its kind of disingenuous to say well orochimaru survived poison before so therefore he could have resistance to poison, as if all poisons are the same and work the same. That's kind of like saying well I survived a .22 bullet so i should be ok and survive from a 9mm, .45, 50 cal etc. I mean bullets are bullets.
I actually think Oro loses to Hidan. Oro fights kinda recklessly since hes so slippery and even kid Sasuke was able to beat him up a little so Hidan would be able to get blood from Oro and conduct his ceremony. Oro might have weird anatomy and all but i dont think he survives getting stabbed in the heart.
Bro he let Sasuke and naruto eat that battle, If he was serious he couldve cleared that whole forest low diff
@@hankhill2154 You misunderstood the assignment. Oro's an overconfident idiot, n Hidan's an immortal buffoon. Oro would fuck Hidan without trying, n that's how the buffoon would get his victory.
Oro would underestimate him, not know his jutsu and trick; n thusly lose. Oro was taken down by a 14 year old Itachi, don't forget. That led him into hiding like a bitch for YEARS.
When Orochimaru brought back the elders for Sasuke. The Second stated were almost at full power to the 1st. An he brought the 3rd an 4th with them. All 4 almost at full power
How strong is boruto era orochimaru
With higher interpretations, in Naruto Retsuden, Naruto gets really sick and can’t use ninjutsu and Orochimaru beats him down to the ground pretty bad, I don’t like this scaling as I do believe Naruto is way weaker since we know characters amp their bodies with chakra and Naruto can’t, Naruto did also enter SM before going into Oro’s hideout maybe implying that base wouldn’t be enough, but you could just say that’s Naruto being cautious with Oro’s personality. So you can scale him high but I’m not a fan of those arguments!
Orochimaru has planetary defenses. To kill him you either need to kill him faster than he can place curse marks on people or kill him and every other person at once.
Maybe yall need to do a respect video for characters like mei and hidan and other characters
I’ve got one planned down the line for Mei
Hey man call me crazy but edo tensei oro>>>pain maybe even itachi if he isn’t focused on getting his body
Orochimaru will outlive everyone, genuinely it’s scary. In the end when everyone has stories to tell, Orochimaru will be laughing. How do you kill something that has so many lives? Terrifying.
Orochimaru wins all members of Akatsuki but not Pain , Itachi , Tobi and Kisame
why Kisame? The peak Kisame was that strong only due to feeding of 8-Tails chakra which Samehada really craved for. But Orochimaru's chakra isn't that strong and probably too foul to be consumed. Samehada is actually quite picky. Not to mention that Oro can easily fight on the distance. I would say it's high diff but still in Oro's favor. The reast on the list are stomping, there is no doubt.
Low key Hidan would've made one helluva vessel for Oro
1. Orochimaru just outright slaps Hidan around, Easy Diff.
2. He's kinda equal to Kakuzu, I think it's 50/50. Very High Diff/Loss for Orochimaru
3. I'm almost certain the fight against Deidara ends with Orochimaru winning. He can counter anything Deidara does with Lightning style, has more survivability than Sasuke and can live through C0 with Manda like Sasuke did. Mid/High Diff.
4. Sasori loses to Orochimaru, not really a hard one. I'm not even trying to underestimate Sasori, I just don't really see how he can win unless Orochimaru doesn't take him seriously. It's still a Mid Diff fight though.
5. I don't think you're giving enough credit to Kisame. Orochimaru has a chance of beating him but it's not as though Kisame is useless without Samehada etc. Kinda 50/50 like with Kakuzu. It's a Very High Diff/Loss for Orochimaru.
6. Konan can beat Orochimaru in specific neishe scenarios, but we're talking about a normal 1v1 Orochimaru wins Mid Diff.
7. Pain destroys him. I don't even see a wincon for Oro, it's Easy Diff for Pain though it might take some time to actually put Orochimaru in the dirt.
8. I think a Re-match between Orochimaru and Itachi would be a lot more interesting. Yeah we saw the first fight which Orochimaru got stomped but that's cause Itachi has a move that can one shot even the strongest characters if they don't have any prep/knowledge to counter it. If they fought again the fight would last a lot longer, I still see Itachi winning but it'd be a High Diff fight.
Hidan ability is just voodoo. It's not a magical "I stab myself, you die". He stabs himself and the enemy receives the same damage. If he tries to kill Orochimaru he'll just be stabbed and not care at all.
I could see full power orochimaru fighting the five kage in Madara's place. He would lose but put up a fight.
Interesting
Also, cant believe you didnt say who you thought did better against pain, Orochimaru or Jiraiya
I just think it's funny that Itachi scared Orochimaru out of the Akatsuki with his BASE Sharingan on their first bout and then bodied Oro in his strongest form with the Totsuka blade on their second bout while dying and mostly blind! 😂
Bro it’s bad. Orochimaru would be so cool and have so much aura if Itachi just didn’t exist
I never like just giving Orochimaru edo tensei because he needs a living sacrifice. People keep forgetting that. Where will he get living sacrifices during these battles?
Also, poison doesn't work as you describe it. There is no such thing as generic poison resistance. You must know a poison's source to be able to effectively create an antidote for it. Without having experienced a poison before, it is not likely that there is a resistance to it.
The nine tails chakra example is bad logic. Just because the effects of the chakra are similar to a poison doesn't make it work like a poison. The nine tails chakra is toxic because of the hate and evil in it. The chakra is vile because of Kurama's emotional state, butbit changes in the war arc, which isnwhy Naruto can share it with thousands of shinobi. Orochimaru's chakra was vile like Kurama's at that time, which would explain his resistance to the effects of Kurama's chakra.
orochimaru gives them a hickey, gg
Crazy!
18:36 its cuz tobi told him to wait
I’m confused tho bc oro’s hydra form isn’t a summoning technique is it? I thought it was like a psedo sage mode bc his body couldn’t enter true snake sage mode
No the Hydra is another entity that can emerge from Orochimaru’s chakra but it’s not him. His tru form is sort of similar; a bunch of white snakes
Suigestus statement is a misinterpretation 😭, danzo vague statement could have been in reference to anything especially reputation or a respected kage. This is why scaling based on statements leads to faulty conclusions
long and juicy content
It is a long video😭
Orochimaru with Sasukes body vs The Verse. How far does he get
Like Itachi level or Pain Level
My only issue with this video is the disrespect to Orochimaru by calling him Oro. I couldn't watch it all.
I’m not going to say a five syllable name every sentence😭
If oro summoned the 4 kages theres no chance?
Idc what y’all talm bout the reasons y’all gave was weak asf there’s no way pain is doing that to all the edo’s orochimaru got…he dies tbh
Why
20:46 hypothetically sure but where is this on panel.
I personally think Kisame is being downplayed as i think he has better Taijutsu and Ninjutsu feats than itachi through Raikage and Bee scalling though i still think Orochimaru beats him, and i think it's wank to say Itachi one shot him as it was only after Orochimaru's true body was shown did Itachi cheat and use Totsuka Blade Hax,as Hydra Form was overpowering the Sussano, and Also Edo Tensei should be able to deal with Itachi as Genjutsu is really only Itachi's win con against Orochimaru, and he was never shown at full power till the war arc and War Arc Orochimaru negs Itachi no dif
I will say first and foremost, TG has changed his opinion a bit but I really haven’t, Itachi scales to KCM1 and Kisame doesn’t scale to a Bee who is unquantifiable
@@Virhtue Ive heard the KCM 1 scaling but I feel it's Disingenuous given that he just made an army of Shadow clones spread across the entire planet and had just fought the Raikage and broke through Mutiple barriers and when the fight starts they're walking probably trying to regain chakra,I personally believe due to chakra loss he's weaker than Bee in that battle , not only that nothing implies Narutos going all out , and the Raikage's speed is extremely overhyped by statements and the feats say hes faster but still relevant to characters most think are slower, he's a speedster yes but not because he's faster than everyone else but because hes a one trick pony,but at the end of the day it can only be chalked up to agree to disagree
@@darthnovo3526War Arc Orochimaru beats Akatsuki all at once lol.
Entering Sage Mode should be easy now cause of his Zetsu body made of Hashi cells. He couldn't before cause of his weak host bodies. SM Oro should be >> SM Kabuto.
+ 4 Edo Hokages. Yes, Hashirama too, He can just put a kunai tag inside Hashi's Edo body and make him an emotionless puppet, who can't try to break out of Edo.
So yeah, War Arc Orochimaru destroys Akatsuki.
Orochimaru gets bodied by pre time skip Mifune
You should get help
War Arc Orochimaru beats all of Akatsuki at once.
We know that he had Senjutsu chakra but couldn't enter Sage Mode cause of his weak host bodies(as stated by Kabuto).
After getting an op Zetsu body made of Hashi cells, that's obviously not a problem anymore. SM Orochimaru should be >> SM Kabuto who would beat Itachi and Sasuke if not for Izanami, and Orochimaru knows who he is and what he wants, not insecure like Kabuto and Obito, so Izanami isn't working.
He also has 4 Edo Hokages, yeah Hashirama too. If he wanted to control him he could put a kunai tag inside his head and switch his personality off, so he can't try to break out of it.
So yeah he destroys the Akatsuki badly.
Who can Hidan beat 1 on 1 haha, like Hidan needs love too!
The only issue i continue to hear is tje sannin scaling vs itachi and the pain bodies more so with itachi.
Oro was absorbed and supressed in a weakened form then fights itachi and its being called his strongest present form(might be his strongest technique but not his best condition)
And sm jiraya cant be compared to that lame summon.Edo tensei is orocharus strongest summon. Ma or pa would destroy the hydra with compressed water like a fruit ninja 😂.
Lmao Orochimaru called V4 Susanoo's Totsuka attack a puny attack, if it didn't have sealing properties that's all it would be for Oro. Ma and Pa are nothing compared to V4 Susanoo lmao
Strongest technique but not the best condition, WHATT!?!?!?!😭
@@Virhtue Cause he couldn't use the countless forbidden jutsus that he learned throughout decades, no elemental jutsus along with Hydra form and could only use summons and Kusanagi??? 😭
His hands were sealed remember? That's a huge nerf for someone who has the best hype for countless ninjutsu, that he researched and learned.
Also it makes sense for him not to be in his best condition stat wise considering that Kabuto got some of Oro's power from Great White Snake's corpse, which Oro took back when he got revived in War Arc.
@@Virhtue oro was being suppressed all that time so when he was freed obviously he wouldn't be close to his full power
@@The__Deadman imagine if tsunade learnt sage mode🤣 she would beat everybody.
Sm attacks are underrated.if Raikage and tsunade can Crack a susanoo then sm water attack can Crack it(hot take I guess)
I always thought he pretty much beats most of Them !
Smart thinking!
Is war ark and boruto orochimaru a joke to you 😂.
Orochimaru vs Gai Sensei
didnt watch 3 seconds of the vid but sick itachi solos any version of orochimaru
Most ninjas feared orochimaru and he wasn't even in his prime.
War arc Orochimaru smashes itachi
Whew that's a good take
Uhh…. Does he tho?!??
Virtue went too hard on leg day lol.
Orochimaru (should) beat anyone that isnt Pain, Itachi and Obito
Orochimaru beats Itachi.
Poor Zetsu being forgotten
I mean let’s be honest here😭
The reason these fights are stupid is cuz u assume these characters know the other characters jutsu
Win or lose, Orochimaru is the best villain in the series
Boruto Oro negs
You guys really underestimated Kisame.
The guy who has NEVER won a fight? Lol.
Was even with Asuma and even let Asuma cut him. Was basically evens with pre-shipuden Kisame. Lost to Gai x2. Lost to Bee. Evens with suigetsu in the anime, or was that the game? Admitted he was no match for Jiraiya. And is a 7 swordsman, we know they’re weak cos all of them got whooped.
But Kisames so overrated
You really think asuma could have done anything to Kisame if kisame were free to engage? Amazing. Gai released inner gates against a kisame who had 20 percent of his chakra. He didn't lose to bee, bee was done fair and square aganst a full power bee but then again bee's mission was infiltration at which he succeeded. Even among 7 swordman, samehada wielders were seen as inhumane. I don't know why are you commenting but stop. Just because you can type and have access to internet, doesn't mean you have to publish anything. @@markmiller6111
@@markmiller6111he claps jiraya
@@firesoliderrinfan1 he ran from Jiraiya with Itachi, and said to Itachi himself he can’t beat Jiraiya lol. Then got beat by Gai 3x. Got cut by asuma. Man shakes at the thought of sannin. They literally avoided abducting Naruto because Jiraiya was with him. You have to be retarded to think he claps Jiraiya
If Karin's not the weakest member then it would be Jugo because Suigetsu beat Jugo.
I'd like to point out that Orochimaru, crippled and on the verge of death, won that fight with Sasuke. If he had been going for the kill instead of trying to take him over, Sasuke is dead.
Yeah, he was reacting to, combating and was confident is changing bodies with Sasuke, but was caught offguard with genjutsu, which is pretty consistent with his character