Eldar Biel Tan Army List Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video I will be going through the Epic Armageddon Biel Tan Army List and giving you my thoughts on it.
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Your channel was the last push I needed to get a printer. I've only known about Epic for maybe a week and I already want to build all the armies.
My apologies for starting your addiction
Just started a army, love your content, Hope for more like these. Cheers mate!
Thanks heaps, where is your army up to now?
Just getting into epic, your channel has been excellent! Thanks for all the work you’re putting in! I’m going through all the videos 😄 cheers mate!!! Starting with printing imperial guard but I’ll probably do eldar next.
Same
Good choice sir. I love both my guard and Eldar. I’ll do an Imperial guard review soon. Very different to the other armies
@2manygames978 Looking forward to this. I'm building Marine, Eldar, and Guard armies so I'll be 3 out of 3 on videos once that one's out 😁
@@2manygames978New to epic and would love a guard video!
Great series your putting together. Currently putting a Night Lords force together. I like the flexibility of the Eldar list but totally agree with the point where the costs of Eldar unit upgrades can really blow out quickly.
My opinion on the Exarch upgrade to the Aspect warriors is to take 2 of them as a possible 2 points of combat resolution from inspiring can be huge.
Also worth having 1-2 Vypers in a Jetbike formation just to lay down at least one blast marker on an enemy formation.
Yep agree that if you are taking Aspects then you want to assault so the extra points for exarchs is usually worth it.
Great point on vypers just make sure you don’t get distracted trying to lay down fire and end up in unfavourable situations for the sake of a last marker. Scatter laser range is assault range for most units. I usually go all in or none in just to keep it clear in my head what their role is.
And good luck with the night lords 👍
Just found your channel, love the content and hoping to get into Epic! Hope you continue to make videos!
Well despite the rumours of my demise, I'm back! Thanks for the kind words and I will try my best.
Awesome stuff. Super excited to see more
Thank you
Thanks a lot for all the work you put in these videos, awesome content, looking forward for more
Thank you. I love doing it, just wish I had more time for it
In defense of Void Spinners, it costs 100 pts over 3 night spinners due to the fact it is a lot more reliable and efficient when damaged and/or with blast markers.
A single destroyed night spinner means a broken formation, whereas 1 point of damage means only a 3+ activation on a Void Spinner.
A single blast marker already drastically drops the effectiveness of night spinner's bombdardment.
Reinforced armor and additional range is just a tiny bonus over the above.
I do agree with that and may have to re-evaluate. Thanks for the feedback
Great overview - hoping to see an ork one soon!
Definitely. Love the orks and so many options for builds with them
Excellent stuff. Just FYI each Revenant Titan has 4 pulse laser shots (2 pulse lasers, each with 2 shots) so a pair of Revanant Titans would have 8x 3+ MW shots !
Just watched all the vids on the channel, big binge. Good stuff man! Is there any batrep channels for this game you recommend? Also, is there any plans on a video that describes (and maybe shows) exactly what the process of list building looks like? Thanks for all the hard work.
Nothing too major that I’ve found. Batreps seem hard to film well and must take a lot of time
Hell yeah more epic armageddon
Hell yeah! Epic is the best 👍
Awesome, been waiting for this one 😁 I'm going down the saim hann route, list is basically vypers as standard troops, grav tanks and super heavies doing the heavy lifting, with aircraft support.
That sounds awesome. I’d love to hear how it goes
31:00 Scorpions really ought to have a 3+ CC. They'd be a lot more even with the banshees at that point, and a real menace to hordes. OTOH, 5+ FF is daffy for pistols. Both melee specialists should be 6+ FF. They aren't assault marines with the occasional fancy pistol or special weapon in a squad, it's shuriken pistols all the way.
32:40 The hawks can't even use teleport unless the whole formation has it, right? That's just terrible, a third of their special rules are dead in mixed formations. Only use I can see is scout letting other aspects in their formation do weird tricks with coherency, and that doesn't seem like its worth the effort. At the very least they deserve something to reflect their grenade packs, most likely a 3+ FF.
35:00 Spiders seem like they combo very well with banshees. Everything infiltrates, everything has first strike (assuming the banshees all made CC, which they'd damn well better), and if you position well the spiders can tank as many hits from the survivors as possible on their slightly better armor. I could see a 5/3 or even 4/4 banshee/spider formation working okay and being more versatile than pure-banshee or pure spider.
39:45 6+ rerollable is actually a tiny bit better than straight 5+ but it has different interactions with special cases - worse against lances and crossfire, better against macro-weapons. Strange design choice.
1:02:00 The void spinner has a very clear role in the army - it's the only way to get more than 3 barrage points of indirect fire out of your army. Night spinners cap at 3BP, which is not a very exciting point on the chart. If you want a better barrage you go with two or three void spinners instead and you have a much more serious threat - and you could also do direct fire at a much safer range (60cm is still huge) if you need to move to avoid an incoming threat or grab an objective or something while still firing. You never take one of these things, sure, but in multiples it's your only choice for truly heavy indirect barrages.
Now whether that's worth the exorbitant cost is really doubtful, but it does have a role. Just a narrow and possibly unwanted one.
1:03:45 That's eight MW 3+ shots for 650, not four. Each titan cranks out four shots unless the slide's wrong. That definitely outperforms 500 points of scorpions unless the latter can exploit their range to avoid return fire, and is about on par with 750 points of Scorpions - 8 x 3+ MW versus 6 x 2+ MW is real close even if there's cover or a double penalty in effect, and the 3+ guns benefit from sustained more.
1:08:30 The phantom actual has a bit less effective anti-air capability than the scout titans do if that matters. Four shots at AA 6+ versus two at AA 5+ is very close, but the scouts can spike higher. Even with a penalty (for doubling, for ex) four at 7+ isn't worse than two at 6+. Neither is really all that threatening, though.
Think you're right about taking a fist. They were real generous about statting the knuckle guns here.
Agree there is technically a role for void spinners but I suppose my point was more there is no point to that role for those points. So in my mind no place equates to no role in the army.
Yes with the Revanants I may have just been thinking of one vs two. The advantage of the scorpions are the pop up attacks in particular adding just a tad more flexibility without having to hit and run with a modifier to be safe. I’ve gone off the scorpions a far bit these days.
@@2manygames978 Fair enough. Going heavy on artillery isn't really an Eldar strength anyway. They don't have the kind of cheap units needed to buy time for the spinners to do their work.
Couldnt agree more with this List. Eldar are my goto Army a long time. Now with 3D Printing i did a Necron Army - How about You to Review this one too? Thanks for Your Giant Efforts with the Rules also.
You’re welcome. It’s a labour of love. Glad to hear you have similar feedback to me in the Eldar. I’ll look at Necrobs at some point. I’ve only played against them a couple of times but they seemed fairly strong in some ways.
Striking Scorpions not having Infiltrator or Tunneler feels criminal. Their stats feel mediocre and the EA+1 does not make up for it.
Yeah I always feel like they are missing a little something to make them an obvious choice
30:35 The math is that 2 attacks on 4+ is roughly equal to a single 2.5+ attack I think, which is worse than the Banshee's 2+. Technically they could get lucky and score 2 hits while a Banshee stand can only ever score 1 but over enough rolls it'll average out slightly in favor of the Banshees. So sure, if you like gambling then Striking Scorpions are an acceptable choice over Banshees.
...is what I would say if Howling Banshees didn't also have Infiltrate and First Strike on their melee attacks, turning a fairly equal matchup into one that clearly favors them. I just don't see any reason to take Striking Scorpions over Howling Banshees aside from preferring their aesthetic/fluff. Mechanically they just seem completely inferior bar the slightly better save, which I think is compensated for by the Banshee's getting FS and killing some of the enemy before they get to attack back.
1:11:15 I think you undersell the Psychic Lance here. Remember, if the center of the barrage template is over the center of a War Engine, that War Engine takes a number of hits equal to 1/2 its starting damage capacity, rounded up iirc. So let's say you zoom over to a Warlord Titan and you position that bad boy right on top of it. You roll your dice, you get the 5 or 6 you need to hit. The Warlord gets hit 4 time, half its starting DC of 8. So that's 4 blast markers because of Disrupt (assuming its Void Shields are already down) and then, most importantly: _4x D3 Titan Killer damage._ That's an average of 2 per hit, or 8 damage. On average, assuming there's no void shields/power fields left and no Holofields/Shadowfields, the Psychic Lance kills any War Engine directly under its barrage template if it hits. And given that you're Eldar and have Fire Prisms, getting some hits in to take down Void/Power Fields should make engineering that situation pretty easy.
Assuming I understand the rules correctly.
The wave serpent lost the wave blast? that sucks
Honestly they don't always make my lists in EA.
Pretty much need to mix and match aspects based on models in the plastics.
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I’m literally working on them now. Taken a while but soon my friend, soon…….