Currently what he did wasn't "calculated" at all. There are a lot of harmony errors. Like parrallels 5th and 8th, ... So yes strictly speaking, this isn't counterpoint and this isn't a fugue, because a fugue must be in counterpoint. (Counterpoint have to respect the rulles of harmony, if it was that easy to do counterpoint there would not be book of 500pages just on that subject, and I did an analysis of a Bach's fugue for my students, this was already nearly 10 pages of pure music theory just to explain how he made the first few bars of that fugue.) But yes, I know that for mainstream people, it doesn't matters. But when you call something a counterpoint and when you said that Bach would have written it like that.. Uh no.. he wouldn't.. Just look at the fugue from BWV1001(or BWV539 it's the same but for organ and with an additional voice) or the fugue of BWV582 to understand how his fugue are made, it's way more complicated that what's shown here. It's not just putting two-three melodies together, they've to be in harmony and to respect a lot more things.
@@debian6554 dude.... I just quoted him because what he said was funny, why you felt the need to leave me an entire essay about music theory in response is beyond me like seriously dude chill.
@@sitheriffguy7513 Haha sorry please accept my appologies ^^ This video just got me badly (I'm a professional violin/organ player) and seeing counterpoint explain like this and done that badly is nearly heretic for me. ^^ But I do understand that music theory is boring for most of people so Sorry I'll try to chill.
I just upgraded to amazon prime inverted retrograde after watching this. my first package arrived upside down, and inside out and the delivery driver walked backwards while doing the 2 step in 3/4 timing when dropping off at the doorstep. Great video!
In german, the Retrograde is called "Krebs", which basically means "crab", and the Retrograde Inversion is called "Umgedrehter Krebs", which translates to "Upside down crab" - I'm always thinking about some crabs on their back everytime I'm doingmusic theory ^^
Bach in Black! Bach in the USSR! Get Bach! Knocking at Your Bach Door! Don’t look Bach! Never Going Bach Again! Can’t Go Bach! Bach Door Man! Get Bach in Line! Hold Me Bach!......(you get my drift)...🕶🎶
Man, I'm subscribed to like a dozen different music channels. I don't even make heavy music any more. But you bring out my creativity more than anyone else. Your videos always make want to go try something new or give me cool ideas for places that I've been stuck on. Shred til you're dead, Scott. You're a legend.
I’m a life-long classical musician (and rock-music fan). I ~ love ~ what you said about music theory: it’s a tool to help you be creative, not a set of rules to tell you what you can and cannot do. I remember in music school reading about a system of analysis that reduced everything to math. It was called Schenker analysis, and when it was presented to Arnold Schoenberg, he just said “Ok, but where are my favorite tunes?”
Since rock wouldn't be all it is without Bach's contributions to music in general, it is entirely fair and reasonable to consider subjects like this one. At first I wasn't sure I should watch this video, but I'm glad I did.
this is by far the most important and best understood lesson i have ever watched and i respect every video lesson i have saved ,but i respect you the most ,the way you presented it was genius ,theres allot of geniuses out there but not many can hold someones attention and put together a teaching format or plan ,the images ,the fast flash images ,your voice tone & likable attitude ,you covered every aspect of how to keep the human brain focused while becoming ,obsessed to learn .......You Have The Makings Of A Cult Leader . most importantly ..THANK YOU.
This. Is. Amazing! I would love to see more of these and more lessons on how to do this in my own songwriting! You're one of the few people out there that can actually reinterpret metal riffs and licks like this!!!
Randy would love this as he LOVED classical music. As many already know he was always looking for classical guitar teachers to expand his playing. He may have looked into this himself as he wanted to retire from rock after the tour he was on, and pursue the study of classical guitar at UCLA .
This show is simply one of the more qualitative and interesting concerning metal on you tube..and all with a sense of humor that i personnally love ah ah ah bravo Buddy, continue, can't wait for the next! 😀❤️💪
I'm not sure but I hope you appreciate how insanely well you educate. I've played music for over 20 years without ever learning how. And these concepts make immediate and deep sense to me. So you take someone who has never heard the terms, and from how you've broken it down I could totally apply these principles to my own playing. That's not as much my talent as it is your excellent tutelage, man.
This was a great video! Though if you were truly writing a fugue as Bach would, the prime would be repeated in each of the voices, and the voices would go into a counterpoint melody after finishing the subject (prime). Also, it would commonly change keys from tonic to dominant in each different introduction of the subject. Basically, a fugue is even more complex than described here. This is technically a passacaglia and not a fugue (I'm pretty sure), because the prime is in the bass the whole time, and the variations occur above it.
I've been playing on and off guitar for 15+ years and am by no means as good as those years imply. These ideas you found are genius and I completely respect and appreciate your video. Thanks man!
Dude i've been watching your channel for two years (super underrated)and i 've a feeling that this video is your first big thing! Please continue this as a series!
I had a teacher back in '89 that had written a book on these same four principals. He had a difficult time getting it published on the basis that it was too difficult to understand. I got it though and ran with the knowledge. Thanks for spreading this train of thought Scott.
That's really interesting dude. It's a real challenge to make this information accessible for sure. I've been working on a music theory course that will have all this shit in it.
Dude! Awesome! I'm a piano (+keyboards) player. I started out when I was 14 on classical for 5 years. I'm going to use your little Bach invention at my band's next soundcheck. We're all over 45 and remember Crazy Train when it came out, so they'll get it. Way COOL, my Man!
I'm at the beginning of my music journey, and this is beyond me (I can't even play the prime riff - yet), but this video of yours is entertaining, educational, and inspiring. Very cool. Thank you!
I've been using this kind of stuff quite a lot recently. Music teacher I had years ago got me interested in this stuff but thanks to your videos I actually understand it now thanks
You mention Bach and counterpoint but never bring up theory rules of avoiding 4ths, parallel fifths/octaves, common intervals being 3rds and 6th, or passing tones? ...interesting.
That’s 4 part choral writing. Which would mean you couldn’t play power chords. Not useful for metal heads. The idea here is to adapt an old concept in a new way. It’s not about upholding every detail
I can definitely understand that distinction but to me that still detracts from the main point, you know? You were essentially trying to write in four parts, using prime, retrograde, etc as the four voices. It's not truly "as if written by Bach," rather it becomes "as if written by something trying to emulate some of Bach," and that's something that rubbed me the wrong way. I don't want any of what I say to make this seem like an attack; this was still an interesting way to analyze a classic riff but the premise seems like a stretch that didn't quite make its mark, you feel me?
@@HeyyItsDaleVODS Yep, I hear you. I have no interest in being a purist with these videos. That's missing my aim entirely. I understand that's not what you're after. My goal is to synthesize an old concept with a modern approach. That's where innovation lies...and that's probably why these videos are doing so well. You're in the wrong place if you want an exact replication of Bach's ideas brother
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I love it when people be looking crazy but they’re actually classically educated
I'm quite unhinged..don't be fooled
@@ShredmasterScott what is your background man?
@@Jack94580 lots of satanism etc...
@@ShredmasterScott Oh hell yea
@@ShredmasterScott Muahahaha
When the TH-cam algorithm hits your recommended just right.
Yeah, apparently TH-cam is on a roll with this one...
IKR? I love this shit 100x more than “TheRichest Top 10 Lamest Things 2015”
Agreed
Shredmaster Scott this was pretty cool, keep up the great work
Gpof one of the rare good recommendations. Glad found this channel
Cliif Burton wants to know your location.
I want to know his location too
@@ShredmasterScott He's under the ground
@@sesclaytpoop8525 sad but true
@@sesclaytpoop8525 Cliff was cremated and his ashes were spread.
@@ShredmasterScott some road in Sweden
Bach might not have been impressed, but it might make Beethoven roll over.
well done
Hehe
Someone should tell Tchaikovsky the news!
According to Moe, 'ts art!
Dude... make this a series! This is brilliant!
It already is. Next one will be on enter sandman
@@ShredmasterScott Sweet dude! Going to see MetallicA in 2 days
I just discover your channel lol. It's been great watching these
I second this, lolz
@@AmyraCarter Hopefully he makes a 3rd
"Do whatever you feel like actually don't its very calculated" best quote of 2019
Currently what he did wasn't "calculated" at all. There are a lot of harmony errors. Like parrallels 5th and 8th, ... So yes strictly speaking, this isn't counterpoint and this isn't a fugue, because a fugue must be in counterpoint. (Counterpoint have to respect the rulles of harmony, if it was that easy to do counterpoint there would not be book of 500pages just on that subject, and I did an analysis of a Bach's fugue for my students, this was already nearly 10 pages of pure music theory just to explain how he made the first few bars of that fugue.)
But yes, I know that for mainstream people, it doesn't matters. But when you call something a counterpoint and when you said that Bach would have written it like that.. Uh no.. he wouldn't.. Just look at the fugue from BWV1001(or BWV539 it's the same but for organ and with an additional voice) or the fugue of BWV582 to understand how his fugue are made, it's way more complicated that what's shown here. It's not just putting two-three melodies together, they've to be in harmony and to respect a lot more things.
@@debian6554 dude.... I just quoted him because what he said was funny, why you felt the need to leave me an entire essay about music theory in response is beyond me like seriously dude chill.
@@sitheriffguy7513 Haha sorry please accept my appologies ^^ This video just got me badly (I'm a professional violin/organ player) and seeing counterpoint explain like this and done that badly is nearly heretic for me. ^^ But I do understand that music theory is boring for most of people so Sorry I'll try to chill.
@@debian6554 it's cool man no worries
Seriously - this must be the most underrated YT Guitarchannel ever. Brainbuster for real.
spread the word my man, appreciate you!
I just upgraded to amazon prime inverted retrograde after watching this. my first package arrived upside down, and inside out and the delivery driver walked backwards while doing the 2 step in 3/4 timing when dropping off at the doorstep. Great video!
Well done! 👏👏
I'm in tears
very impressive but can you play crazy train in a train with bach?
I’ll have to bring him Bach to the future
**Davie approves**
Wrong vid
Shredmaster Scott but we have Bach from skids row 😂
You could play it in a train thats in a Bach (oh yeah forgot thats only funny for germans😂)
Just to explain "Bach" in German is a creek
So the inversion is just the main rift bach-wards?
No, the retrograde is.
Ouch.
@@King0fYou115 r/woooosh
Yellow That’s not how r/wooosh works...
I see what you did there...
The Bach version almost sounds like it could be the intro to a Ghost song
That'd be cool
Shred Bachster Scott
I'll be Bach!
In german, the Retrograde is called "Krebs", which basically means "crab", and the Retrograde Inversion is called "Umgedrehter Krebs", which translates to "Upside down crab" - I'm always thinking about some crabs on their back everytime I'm doingmusic theory ^^
hahaha, don't get crabs brother!
March of the Crabs!
Final TH-cam came through for you
@@adameves5970 Can't really march while on their back, can they?
@@Belodri It's the name of Anvil's instrumental...I thought people would have known that. It's a music and crab reference all in one.
Every musician should consider stuff like this
I'll sign the bill into law!
Yea I thought of that, which is why I chose the word consider
Too many "musicians" can't read sheet or even play a real instrument. Respect to those who actually do want to learn.
Bach in Black! Bach in the USSR! Get Bach! Knocking at Your Bach Door! Don’t look Bach! Never Going Bach Again! Can’t Go Bach! Bach Door Man! Get Bach in Line! Hold Me Bach!......(you get my drift)...🕶🎶
I'll be Bach
Gone Chopin be Bach in a minuet.
That's easy, try Tchaikovsky....
Just One Bach
Bach Built My Organ
Closer to Bach
Bachvenged Sevenfold - Bach Country
Man, I'm subscribed to like a dozen different music channels. I don't even make heavy music any more. But you bring out my creativity more than anyone else. Your videos always make want to go try something new or give me cool ideas for places that I've been stuck on. Shred til you're dead, Scott. You're a legend.
I’m honored to hear that brother 🙏 Let’s keep pushing the metal envelope brother 🤘
Agreed. The kids need this!
dope! i understood bout 25% of the words!
Same!
He explained them you fucking dope
Make that 12% for me lol
Simpleton. I understood at least 30%
You are like baby. I understood 50%
💪🏻😎🎸
🍺🍺🍺
Bach was the OG shredder! Great stuff, my brother!
Cheers!
amen to that brother, you the man
LOL, subtitles at 0:07
"I'm shrimp master Scott"
damn youtube
I’m a life-long classical musician (and rock-music fan). I ~ love ~ what you said about music theory: it’s a tool to help you be creative, not a set of rules to tell you what you can and cannot do. I remember in music school reading about a system of analysis that reduced everything to math. It was called Schenker analysis, and when it was presented to Arnold Schoenberg, he just said “Ok, but where are my favorite tunes?”
Excellent! Counterpoint really adds a whole new dimension to this classic Ozzy Ozbourne piece. Great rendition, shredmaster!
thanks brother, a fun experiment right?
Awesome!
Yes, and you should do the same for the solos to "Flying High Again" and "Mr. Crowley"! Keep up the shredtastic work!
That’d be really tough dude!
Yes, but probably well worth it in the end!
“I don’t know if bach would be super impressed with that” lmaooo
Keeping it real brother 😉
Since rock wouldn't be all it is without Bach's contributions to music in general,
it is entirely fair and reasonable to consider subjects like this one.
At first I wasn't sure I should watch this video, but I'm glad I did.
absolutely brother, thanks for watching!
this is by far the most important and best understood lesson i have ever watched and i respect every video lesson i have saved ,but i respect you the most ,the way you presented it was genius ,theres allot of geniuses out there but not many can hold someones attention and put together a teaching format or plan ,the images ,the fast flash images ,your voice tone & likable attitude ,you covered every aspect of how to keep the human brain focused while becoming ,obsessed to learn .......You Have The Makings Of A Cult Leader . most importantly ..THANK YOU.
haha, well that's a very nice compliment. I'm pumped to hear it and thanks for watching my evil cult minion!
My head just exploded. Thanks for the insight. I'll apply this to a riff stat
do it my man!
That inversion sounds really damn neat. On a cello it would sound immense.
I'd listen to it
As a beginning musician, this video was hilarious, interesting, and educational. Love it!!
That's awesome dude, thanks for watching
The best thing I've seen for a while. Crazy!
This. Is. Amazing! I would love to see more of these and more lessons on how to do this in my own songwriting! You're one of the few people out there that can actually reinterpret metal riffs and licks like this!!!
thanks brother, there is more to come
Randy would love this as he LOVED classical music. As many already know he was always looking for classical guitar teachers to expand his playing. He may have looked into this himself as he wanted to retire from rock after the tour he was on, and pursue the study of classical guitar at UCLA .
This is really cool! I am a classical pianist and I believe that Bach would be really proud of you!
The more I read about the well known classical composers, the more convinced I am that a large number of them would be doing rock or metal today.
I like to think so
This show is simply one of the more qualitative and interesting concerning metal on you tube..and all with a sense of humor that i personnally love ah ah ah bravo Buddy, continue, can't wait for the next! 😀❤️💪
I wonder what the solo would look like wirh this
that'd be nuts
@@ShredmasterScott This is where we say SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!! :)
Right!
I'm not sure but I hope you appreciate how insanely well you educate. I've played music for over 20 years without ever learning how. And these concepts make immediate and deep sense to me. So you take someone who has never heard the terms, and from how you've broken it down I could totally apply these principles to my own playing. That's not as much my talent as it is your excellent tutelage, man.
well thanks brother... I'm super pumped you're getting some value from my approach. Let's keep innovating!
I can't believe how much I learned from this...
Inversion & Retrograde is actually really cool and sounds awesome really great video!👍✌
thanks brother, appreciate you
This was a great video! Though if you were truly writing a fugue as Bach would, the prime would be repeated in each of the voices, and the voices would go into a counterpoint melody after finishing the subject (prime). Also, it would commonly change keys from tonic to dominant in each different introduction of the subject. Basically, a fugue is even more complex than described here.
This is technically a passacaglia and not a fugue (I'm pretty sure), because the prime is in the bass the whole time, and the variations occur above it.
oh shit it's the fuge police!! hahaha
Who gives a fugue! It’s fuguen awesome!
@@axemurderbambi2995 well said
@@ShredmasterScott Ahahahaha!
TH-cams been pushin this for a week. I'm glad I finally watched. This had some awesome ideas.
I’m glad you finally made it over brother!
When crazy train is played backwards does it become Sane Train?
I'm afraid so
Backwards and upside down makes is Coltrane?
This was a stellar video bud! Super helpful!🍻
i'm gonna study this for a while and get bach to you!
well done
0:44 this is the first video ever that I've seen by this guy, and words cant explain how much I already love this man
Can I get a full version of what's playing in the last five seconds of this video? That sounded awesome.
This is the best video on TH-cam!! 10/10 . Your a BEAST!!
No comments about that fresh Fear Factory shirt? My favorite band homie, cheers.
My friend, I'm not a musician although I do have a brain and I'm beyond impressed at how you explained your thoughts. Great video.
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Ahahahaha
Very insightful! Thanks for taking the time to make this.
thanks for watching dude!
Whaaaaaaa an actually good music theory video!!?!?!?!?...... Great job dude. I like how you look like a biker, but your talking Bach! Very cool
haha, yeah it is quite a juxtaposition. Thanks for watching!
One of the clearest examples i hear. Thank you
I subbed just because I know that this was a pain in the but to make. Rock on!
haha, thanks brother, it was a B
Definitely earned subscription. Well done
appreciate you brother!
Very very interesting. We want more. hahahahah (Evil laugh)
And you shall have it
I cannot explain how happy I am to find this. Ive had a songwriting slump lately and this just opened so many doors! Thank you so much!
That’s awesome to hear brother!
🤘
I've been playing on and off guitar for 15+ years and am by no means as good as those years imply. These ideas you found are genius and I completely respect and appreciate your video. Thanks man!
well I'm pumped to hear you enjoyed it brother!
I always thought counterpoint was the corner of a counter like most counters have four counterpoints .
well said
Been hanging out with Cory and Trevor again, Bubs?
As a multi-instrumentalist who loves music theory - this stuff blows me mind. Some people are just on another level.
haha, thanks for watching brother!
Oh remember rhoads mother was a pianist
And owned a music school
and teachs him all about
Great job, man. Loved the video. Baroque and Bach rocks.
Dye your beard red and you will look exactly like Dimebag Darrell lol
you first
Shredmaster Scott
Pussy.
If he was a Zombie....😵
Probably look more like him if it was pink
Looks more like Vinnie Paul IMO
So, I was gonna give you shit for this not being a proper fugue, but your argument at the end completely justified it. Great vid!
haha, thanks brother!
That was pretty damn cool
well thanks dude!
Love it!! Brilliant idea, and great choice of song for this!
thanks Ivan!
i was lucky enough to see Randy and Ozzy's first gig in Glasgow 1980 ...
dude that's crazy
And I'm gonna be lucky enough to see one of his last gigs down in Florida
I thought Wolf Hoffman's toying with classics would be enough to me, but you sire showed that you can go even further. Hat's off to you and god speed!
Outfrickenstanding!
Randy would approve 🤘
or at least Bach would ;)
Very interesting!Another great lesson,you never cease to amaze.I think Back would be at least a little impressed!!Rock on Bro!!!
haha, thanks brother!
Dude i've been watching your channel for two years (super underrated)and i 've a feeling that this video is your first big thing!
Please continue this as a series!
it just might be....
I wanna know how many of you actually pictured Bach playing this song on piano
Rob Axl Think it would look kind of like John Bellushi’s Beethoven sketch on SNL when he did Beethoven doing Ray Charles!
@@tomjohnson5597 😂 good one!
Love this! Love your channel. Thank you TH-cam algorithms!
Cool video
thanks my man
That was epic dude! Keep up the hard work!
will do brother
Your music talent is beyond and above all on TH-cam sadly I would have never thought to do what you have done but I'm not a worthy of the Shredmaster
Haha, arise and shred my son!
You’re too kind
I had a teacher back in '89 that had written a book on these same four principals. He had a difficult time getting it published on the basis that it was too difficult to understand. I got it though and ran with the knowledge. Thanks for spreading this train of thought Scott.
That's really interesting dude. It's a real challenge to make this information accessible for sure. I've been working on a music theory course that will have all this shit in it.
Bach off!!
Bach to the future
I'll be Bach
Dude! Awesome! I'm a piano (+keyboards) player. I started out when I was 14 on classical for 5 years. I'm going to use your little Bach invention at my band's next soundcheck. We're all over 45 and remember Crazy Train when it came out, so they'll get it.
Way COOL, my Man!
that's awesome dude, thanks for watching!
That was bach'some!
well done 👏
Finally the algorithm I'd promoting good youtubers
haha, thanks for watching brother!
🔴How Would Bach Play Crazy Train? TAB:
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I don't know if the rest of your content is like this but you earned a suscriber. That was interesting and entertaining.
there's more on the way, appreciate you brother
Amazing
it's the drugs
@@ShredmasterScott cool videot
🍺🍺🤘
I think the idea of you doing this is awesome. It is an interesting look at variations.
I don't know shit about theory but this is interesting especially trying to do some thin lizzy / Maiden double leads
You never know when it’s gonna come in handy brother
I'm at the beginning of my music journey, and this is beyond me (I can't even play the prime riff - yet), but this video of yours is entertaining, educational, and inspiring. Very cool. Thank you!
well thanks for watching dude!
What is this app please tell me
I'm using guitar pro for tabs and logic pro for recording the music
I've been using this kind of stuff quite a lot recently. Music teacher I had years ago got me interested in this stuff but thanks to your videos I actually understand it now thanks
Don’t look Bach in Anger?
Oasis
Well, Sally can wait.
@Vince Paul my soul slides away.....
This was excellent Scott. Thanks for your efforts, "endless hours of toil".
Sorta sounded like that sweet dreams are made of these song or whatever
yeah I had someone else say that too
Randy’s death at 26 was a huge blow. Here was a guy who was just beginning to take rock into a whole new galaxy.
0:45 best moment
😉😉
i love how you used this to show ideas of what you can do with different tools
thanks dude!
How Bach will play Crazy train? ....I don't know know know, I don't know know!
This made my day
Well said
Wow. New favorite channel.
That...was...mind blowing. Like that really sounded like Bach!!!
Thanks brother!
this was a really cool exercise, man! well done!
appreciate you brother
You mention Bach and counterpoint but never bring up theory rules of avoiding 4ths, parallel fifths/octaves, common intervals being 3rds and 6th, or passing tones? ...interesting.
So do your own video lol
That’s 4 part choral writing. Which would mean you couldn’t play power chords. Not useful for metal heads. The idea here is to adapt an old concept in a new way. It’s not about upholding every detail
I can definitely understand that distinction but to me that still detracts from the main point, you know? You were essentially trying to write in four parts, using prime, retrograde, etc as the four voices.
It's not truly "as if written by Bach," rather it becomes "as if written by something trying to emulate some of Bach," and that's something that rubbed me the wrong way.
I don't want any of what I say to make this seem like an attack; this was still an interesting way to analyze a classic riff but the premise seems like a stretch that didn't quite make its mark, you feel me?
@@HeyyItsDaleVODS Yep, I hear you. I have no interest in being a purist with these videos. That's missing my aim entirely. I understand that's not what you're after. My goal is to synthesize an old concept with a modern approach. That's where innovation lies...and that's probably why these videos are doing so well. You're in the wrong place if you want an exact replication of Bach's ideas brother
I can totally respect that. Might not have been what I was expecting but I can't say it wasn't interesting nonetheless. :p
"Music theory is a set of rules that just helps you being creative". Good point.
often forgotten
Very interesting, but can you --
wait wrong channel