This made me remember this quote "after hearing this argument, God himself will start to doubt his own existence" by some commentator about Ben Shapiro's favorite evidence for God
@@MrTerrorkiller ciritical thinking is anathema to the conservative agenda. Conservatives often use words that mean the exact opposite of what they're actually saying. It makes me think they don't actually know the meanings of words, which doesn't actually surprise me given their attitudes on education.
@@brassman7599~ I have noticed this heavily as of late in the comment sections across platforms. So much so that almost seems like there’s a movement to confuse the meanings of words by using them incorrectly. What’s more likely is that they’re trying to adopt our commonly used words and terminology in an attempt to sound smarter, but failing to understand their meaning before using them- which speaks volumes to their apparent refusal to look up ANYTHING AT ALL in order to better understand it. It seems that to the right wing the internet is a place to misinform and argue instead of a place to learn. We do know they’ve learned one thing though, the definition of their favorite word- “weaponization”.
Ive been there too. Was raised in a religious family. Had to slowly and painstakingly unlearn the toxicities and indoctrination of organized religion and start studying philosophy and ethics and to question everything.
Jayzuz, America is like a running sore . This is child abuse . My American neighbours in Kenya were Baptists. We were about 10/11 years old . I remember them saying that l was going to hell because I was non practising C of E . ( even if I had been practising it would still have been my destination). I can remember feeling a mild contempt and sadness . What a way to be brought up.
No wonder this country is falling apart. Every ones lost faith. Were turning into modern day sodom and gamora. You are literally nothing and will burn in hell for eternity without Gods mercy.
Chasitycooper86, did we not disbelieve before being enslaved to the truth by the Holy Spirit? And do we not know that it was not for our sake; but for the sake of his own Holy name?
@@martinploughboy988 and how exactly you going to prove it? Declaring something does not make it true. You will need at least two states: one with god and one without god to do a comparison to prove god is necessary for everything.
@@skyeye61 I don't need to prove it, everyone knows it is true. They may deny it, but they're born with that knowledge. It is not possible to have your two states, nothing exists without God.
With God knowledge is uneccessary. After all, gods answer all the questions, so why would you have to know anything else? (Heck, knowledge is nearly sacrilegious.) There is no lifeform more robbed of knowledge than a christian apologist.
@@Khan-wt3lb The cat is powered by rainbows that are gathered from free range unicorns' butts. Once the cat's fuel runs out he'll float aimlessly in space.. for eternity.
It’s so cringe to hear people who have such a tenuous grasp of logical thinking trying to form a logical argument and then, when pressed to elaborate and explain the basis of their argument, just start making stuff up. Cringe, but infuriatingly so.
This is creating an epistemology that starts with `God` as an axiom and it's absurd. The very question :How do I know anything" starts with "I." Without that, you have nothing. So to start with "God" is completely irrational.
@@kikolugo Uh huh. Let me translate that "I don't like what you said, but I'm incapable of giving a rational response, so I'll just claim your definitions are muddy in a condescending way to make me look smart." - Not going to work. If you have an argument against it, then make it.
@@somersetcace1 So you can’t define what you’re talking about? Got it. Many atheists do that, and make the mistake you made. Before I get into explaining why you’re wrong, it’s important to know what you’re talking about. And right now you don’t have a clear definition. Let me know when you’re ready.
@@kikolugo Saying the same thing over and over and never actually making an argument isn't going to help you. What definitions are you having an issue with? What am I misrepresenting. To just say "You're wrong, let me know when you're right" means nothing.
@@somersetcace1 For starters, what do you mean by when you say “I”? Also, saying ‘that starting with God as an axiom is absurd’ is just your opinion. You can’t prove it nor can you call it factual.
"How do you know that." is the only response needed. There's no way to establish that god is behind knowledge without asserting that he is, which means that one can assert anything as the cause for knowledge, not just God.
Was that 'Catholic Traditionalist'? As an ex-priest, now atheist, I knew when I was listening to him the other day, I knew he was no way Catholic. Sure enough, he was outed as a presupper, almost certainly one of Darth's underlings. At least Robin was 30% listen-worthy.
I love all wicked sinners, I just wish they would come to Jesus for forgiveness., this world would be a much better place if we were all forgiven sinners.
@@samperry9507 Nothing to forgive as there is no such thing as 'sin'. It's a fictional idea used to keep you in check and obeying thousands of year old sexist and racist laws that we've moved beyond. Abrahamic morals hold us back from progress.
Vast unfathomable amounts of Time is the only “god” we have. Only vast amounts of ever changing time. Too bad certain humans cant understand this as the rest of the animal kingdom etc etc world has understood from day 1. Billions and mullions of years
I know God exists, because God told me he exists, in a book that some other people wrote on God's behalf, that some other people cherry-pick the best bits to read at Church, because I can't be bothered to read a massive book like that myself to find out what it actually says. I don't see why you atheists have such a problem with this. /s
Proper logic has a conclusion. Proper things die at the end point. Logic is the process of mapping the terminal trajectory of human thought. Religious thinking is circular because it seeks to delude the mind into denying the end point of all thought.
"Every world view ultimately is circular" he says. So his reason for believing in god involved believing that there is a massive problem with knowledge itself.
Can someone expand on what he means by induction? Is he talking about inductive reasoning? I understand he's using an illogical argument to make a point about the illogical argument of the caller but I'm not sure if I'm missing something as to why he used that as his example.
"This is circular" dude at one point every belief set is circular, in science the whole circular block is called a paradigma, and the only reason you change paradigma is epistemic cost... But there's no epistemic cost in metaphysics, so the sole question is just "does it contradict itself ?".
It's the presence of an omnipotent being that can not only affect all your observations, but edit your thoughts and memories at a whim, that destroys the concept of knowledge itself.
Why is it so hard for some Christians to just say, "I believe in God because of faith. No it's not rational, it's based off of a feeling. When you can disprove my feelings come back and argue." Instead they try and pretend their faith is logical and lose every single argument. It's sad like when a puppy bites it's tail and starts crying.
We can’t assume that just because some have bad arguments that the outcome is automatically wrong. Look for yourself, read frank tureks apologetics and other arguments. But just because this argument is bad doesnt make it logical to assume all argumebts for god are illogical.
For sure, circular thinking of appeal to authority and begging the question logical fallacies. Then his special pleading fallacy to finish his position. How did his specific god-character of antiquity acquire knowledge? When has the god of the gaps superceded demonstrable facts and objective reasoning?
wasn't the whole point of god telling adam not to eat fruit was so he wouldn't have knowledge? the blatant lies religious people have to tell themselves to believe this stuff must be in the hundreds
Logic states that Cartesian Skepticism can be used against Logic, and the logical conclusion is that Cartesian Skepticism is valid. 😂 BTW Circle Jerk has a dual meaning: on one side of the argument, it is against those who jerk a metaphysical circle. On the other side of the argument, it is against those who jerk a physical circle. "We're The Aristocracts!" - The Aristocracts (Some long-running joke involving a certain demographic that may well be trying to mock Aristotle) 93/93 😂
I congratulate you on your patience, calmness and reasonable conversation ...... but don't you think it's a waste of time to tell people something they don't understand anyway......
Logically everything that exists in the universe is contingent and has a beginning because there will not be present out of an infinite regression, therefore there must be something or a (Necessary Existence) outside this contingent set that is eternal and independent with a will to bring everything into existence... There is no other way.
A will? So to explain the existence of the universe you are suggesting that somehow a mind that is immaterial exists outside of space and time and can conjure matter using thoughts?
@@PureLuck719 First, Why it must have a Will? Because at some point it chooses not to preform that action of Creation. Second, I did not suggest that this being is just an immaterial entity, and I think it’s logically absurd to try to identify it’s assets with our limited empirical knowledge. Moreover, This being also must be all powerful and all knowing to be able to create such a beautiful design. Eventually, what I can assure you is that it meets every description of God, specially our Muslim description of God Almighty.
@@251rmartin except that even true atheistic evolution when truly pressed holds to this same special pleading fallacy when it comes to trying to explain the “nothing” that resulted in the Big Bang. That’s the problem with the reasoning behind atheism. They cannot remove the log in their own eye before removing the speck in anyone else’s. Because to do so would be self defeating.
It's when Theists push for conversion or demand society does certain things over their "personal" beliefs that I have an issue. So by all means, keep it to yourself.
@@ngcastronerd4791exactly. it honestly confuses me and see us act like somehow atheist are the bad guys who are trying to steal their religion or shit when they're the ones who literally try to make their religion law while meanwhile the worst I've seen atheists do it's simply tells me to stay out of everyone else's business and keep it to themselves unless they want us to also stay our own opinions about their religion
@@ngcastronerd4791 yup.... I mean he'll Michael here felt the need to come into an atheist videos comment section just to say they don't have to justify their reasons for why they believe to us...
Clearly his argument is poorly articulated, what he should've said was that upon the atheistic worldview you have no justification for knowledge claims.
Something doesn't come out nothing. Necessary cause it's the only logical theory. Arguing over religion is one thing. But to think that the big bang just happened for no reason is just dumb
@@PureLuck719 it's not that hard to figure out. At some point something(creator) created everything. There's absolutely nothing in our known universe that doesn't happen with without something else causing it. Problem is people grab the bible and base their lack of faith on a corrupted source. But if u break down the argument in a rational way u will find that the nothing from nothing argument is completely flawed.
@@timeones I have no idea what the "nothing from nothing" argument is, as the only people claiming that everything came from nothing are the theists. They claim that their creator made the entirety of the universe out of nothing. I do believe there is an eternal metaphysical ground for the entire universe, but any suggestion that this thing is conscious is an idea that both has no evidence and makes no sense at all.
@@PureLuck719 theistic person's believe all existence comes from an ultimate source. The atheist believes in random occurrence. Every scientific theory still needs an ultimate cause to propel events. I'm not defending religion at this point. I'm an simply stating that even in philosophical terms everything needs a cause. And that cause needs purpose and intelligence. So even if we live in a simulation, there's an ultimate creator of said simulation. If u keep going back in "time" at some point there's an ultimate cause with a purpose hence a creator of some sort. The idea that perfection happens at random without an intelligent cause ia illogical.
But your god can come out of nothing? Sounds like special pleading to me. Second, no one claims that big bang came from nothing. Scientists have made observations that tell us there was a singularity and what happened after it. They have not claimed anything about what was before that.
People don't love God brcause they are under a curse for sin. If you demand absolute proof of God you will have to wait until it's too late. That might seem unfair, but, that's the way it is. "But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.” Exodus 33:20
Show me the agnostic who invented the sun. Where's the mathematical computation relational to planetary orbits inceptions. Please rationalize how man got the Mississippi River to continually flow into the gulf of Mexico without: 1. Increasing the volume of the Gulf's water lever. 2. Flooding coastal cities. 3. Fresh water desalination of sea water. I'll wait for your answers 🤣😅🤣😂
@@PureLuck719 well yes and it's gonna happen for all of us one day and we have our lives to get right with God but it's up to us cause God wants us to choose him cause I've bet you've heard this hell is real and there's a reason jesus spoke about hell way more than heaven
You don't want to get on the wrong side of Allah. Pray 5 times a day. You don't want to find out after death that the god of the quran is who you confront.
@@MK-lh3xd and he died for our sins cause he's the only person who was righteous and perfect and holy to be able to justify us in the sight of God and its up to all of us to choose him, life or death and there's two meanings to it hell (death) or heaven (life)
Knowledge is the result of your brain collecting information and forming neuron connections. Animals collect knowledge too. How is god needed for this?
without Consciousness there is no reality. and reality can't come from nothing. existence in itself is a miracle. and everything in the universe functions together as a complete unit. which suggests intelligent design. Everything Seen comes from The Unseen spiritual Realm
@@therick363 it's not a bold statement it's common sense and doesn't need explaining. Even DNA has been proven to have a design pattern to it and it's far too complex for people to understand.
@@loveistruth5713es it is a bold statement. Many claim things are common sense and don’t need explanation. Doesn’t mean it’s true. And often those who say it don’t like when it’s tossed back at them. Here-no gods are needed to explain anything when the events, causes and phenomena are all natural. It’s common sense that it’s all from a natural source. No DNA has not proven design patter. Saying it’s too complex is just personal incredulity. Now please support that “existence in itself is a miracle”
God, come get your boy -- he's embarrassing you again...
Come and get your boy, he’s tired of hanging out with wicked lost children of Satan. This worlds in deep trouble without Jesus Christ.
@@samperry9507 Ah yes the fallible humans are guilty, not the all-powerful all-knowing guy who made them fallible.
If there was a god he would certainly not have sinners argue his existence. He’d do it himself.
@@samperry9507 Hail Satan!
@@samperry9507 just go hide in your church, you really dont wanna argue with atheist
This made me remember this quote "after hearing this argument, God himself will start to doubt his own existence" by some commentator about Ben Shapiro's favorite evidence for God
And vanished in a puff of logic, to quote on of my favourite books ever.
for a guy obsessed with facts and logic, bench appearo is pretty bad at critical thinking
@@MrTerrorkiller ciritical thinking is anathema to the conservative agenda.
Conservatives often use words that mean the exact opposite of what they're actually saying. It makes me think they don't actually know the meanings of words, which doesn't actually surprise me given their attitudes on education.
@@brassman7599 That's a rather bigoted view. Hoe good are you at critical thinking?
How do you know there is no God.
@@brassman7599~ I have noticed this heavily as of late in the comment sections across platforms. So much so that almost seems like there’s a movement to confuse the meanings of words by using them incorrectly. What’s more likely is that they’re trying to adopt our commonly used words and terminology in an attempt to sound smarter, but failing to understand their meaning before using them- which speaks volumes to their apparent refusal to look up ANYTHING AT ALL in order to better understand it. It seems that to the right wing the internet is a place to misinform and argue instead of a place to learn. We do know they’ve learned one thing though, the definition of their favorite word- “weaponization”.
Prior to the Christian religions. There was knowledge.
Exactly. The idea of many gods comes long before the idea of one god. Can't believe theists don't see this
@@brianstrutter1501Christians are atheists to other religions.
The Bible is true because the Bible says it is.
I feel for all these people who really believe they are literally nothing if they don't have God. It's sad and I remember when I thought that way.
Ive been there too. Was raised in a religious family. Had to slowly and painstakingly unlearn the toxicities and indoctrination of organized religion and start studying philosophy and ethics and to question everything.
I used to be there too.
Jayzuz, America is like a running sore .
This is child abuse . My American neighbours in Kenya were Baptists. We were about 10/11 years old . I remember them saying that l was going to hell because I was non practising C of E . ( even if I had been practising it would still have been my destination). I can remember feeling a mild contempt and sadness . What a way to be brought up.
No wonder this country is falling apart. Every ones lost faith. Were turning into modern day sodom and gamora. You are literally nothing and will burn in hell for eternity without Gods mercy.
Chasitycooper86, did we not disbelieve before being enslaved to the truth by the Holy Spirit? And do we not know that it was not for our sake; but for the sake of his own Holy name?
You get knowledge through life not sky ghost
Where did life come from?
@@kikolugoLife came from a rock
@@dietcockadept7004 That’s called blind faith. Don’t let atheism deceive you.
@@kikolugo I wasn't being serious. I quoted Kent Hovind misrepresenting abiogenesis.
@@dietcockadept7004 So you don’t know? Got it, thanks.
Classic example of "begging the question" where god is necessary for knowledge is assumed in the question.
God is necessary for everything.
@@martinploughboy988 and how exactly you going to prove it? Declaring something does not make it true.
You will need at least two states: one with god and one without god to do a comparison to prove god is necessary for everything.
@@martinploughboy988please support that god is necessary for everything. What is necessary for god ?
@@skyeye61 I don't need to prove it, everyone knows it is true. They may deny it, but they're born with that knowledge.
It is not possible to have your two states, nothing exists without God.
@@therick363 Nothing is necessary for God, except God. Outside of God there is no mechanism that could create what we see around us.
the callers arrogant ignorance is very large😂
No without the serpent we don't have knowledge according to the wholly buybull.
The perfect sky dictator who prefers his servile flock dumb.
Lol
With God knowledge is uneccessary. After all, gods answer all the questions, so why would you have to know anything else? (Heck, knowledge is nearly sacrilegious.)
There is no lifeform more robbed of knowledge than a christian apologist.
That was exactly what I was thinking
You can’t have rainbows 🌈 without a unicorn farting them out
I thought it was a cat
I’m sorry everybody knows that rainbows are made out of skittles.🤣
@@louisroque157taste the rainbow, um no, not after it might be a farming unicorn or a cat, and it could be either of them farting out the skittles. 😂
@@louisroque157 I’m sorry but your going to have to give an argument for that claim!!
@@Khan-wt3lb The cat is powered by rainbows that are gathered from free range unicorns' butts. Once the cat's fuel runs out he'll float aimlessly in space.. for eternity.
If we’re the best God can do , the entire Universe is effed.
It’s so cringe to hear people who have such a tenuous grasp of logical thinking trying to form a logical argument and then, when pressed to elaborate and explain the basis of their argument, just start making stuff up. Cringe, but infuriatingly so.
This guy didn't make an argument, he gave a conclusion..
Well it's just another "i'm the only one who only can use this argument, not you" logic
This is creating an epistemology that starts with `God` as an axiom and it's absurd. The very question :How do I know anything" starts with "I." Without that, you have nothing. So to start with "God" is completely irrational.
You’re thinking with a lot of muddy definitions, that’s why you don’t understand. But keep trying you’ll get there eventually.
@@kikolugo Uh huh. Let me translate that "I don't like what you said, but I'm incapable of giving a rational response, so I'll just claim your definitions are muddy in a condescending way to make me look smart." - Not going to work. If you have an argument against it, then make it.
@@somersetcace1 So you can’t define what you’re talking about? Got it. Many atheists do that, and make the mistake you made. Before I get into explaining why you’re wrong, it’s important to know what you’re talking about. And right now you don’t have a clear definition. Let me know when you’re ready.
@@kikolugo Saying the same thing over and over and never actually making an argument isn't going to help you. What definitions are you having an issue with? What am I misrepresenting. To just say "You're wrong, let me know when you're right" means nothing.
@@somersetcace1 For starters, what do you mean by when you say “I”? Also, saying ‘that starting with God as an axiom is absurd’ is just your opinion. You can’t prove it nor can you call it factual.
Them explaining circular arguments always reminds me of the Office scene where Jim shows Michael that he was a part of a pyramid scheme. 😂
God didn't want people to have knowledge.
Ikr 🍎 iz gawd his own tree of knowledge?
"Understand" is not a word that theists understand.
"How do you know that." is the only response needed. There's no way to establish that god is behind knowledge without asserting that he is, which means that one can assert anything as the cause for knowledge, not just God.
The greeks did not have your God, but had knowledge. So that means their Gods must have existed.
Was that 'Catholic Traditionalist'? As an ex-priest, now atheist, I knew when I was listening to him the other day, I knew he was no way Catholic. Sure enough, he was outed as a presupper, almost certainly one of Darth's underlings. At least Robin was 30% listen-worthy.
"That's called circular logic, means there's no holes in it." - Lil Bush
Except in the middle, there’s a big fucking hole
@jeffereyfapenstein4796 good job explaining a 20 year old joke, my dude
@@billmozart7288 anytime
My brain just spilt out
That’s just demonic entities, your full of them without Jesus Christ.
Yeah without Zeus there is no knowledge 😂
the presup argument is the most stupid ridiculous nonsensical argument of all.
Dude runs right into the teeth of Agrippa's Trilemma and doesn't even notice.
Wow. An illogical super circular double reverse😂
I don't mind Christians until they start recruiting .
Let me add create conspiracy theories and indoctrinate children.
I love all wicked sinners, I just wish they would come to Jesus for forgiveness., this world would be a much better place if we were all forgiven sinners.
@@samperry9507Nah the 'forgiven' ones are pretty awful too. Nothing would change except no one would remember how to think anymore.
@@samperry9507nah. The more you think someone magically forgives your harm, the more likely you are to commit it.
@@samperry9507 Nothing to forgive as there is no such thing as 'sin'. It's a fictional idea used to keep you in check and obeying thousands of year old sexist and racist laws that we've moved beyond. Abrahamic morals hold us back from progress.
I absolutely love it when they end up calling their own argument illogical or nonsensical
Without skittles we couldnt have knowledge
Evidence??
And I'll go even one more better. Why is Gamora?
Made me spit out my tea, well done
Kids say the darndest things
But with knowledge, you couldn’t have god.
Vast unfathomable amounts of Time is the only “god” we have. Only vast amounts of ever changing time. Too bad certain humans cant understand this as the rest of the animal kingdom etc etc world has understood from day 1. Billions and mullions of years
God: Just how I like them.
God doesn't exist because if God existed, I would believe in God
When you have tunnel vision in a shit tunnel, you don't see the shit until you throw it in reverse, but somehow it is not the same tunnel now.
???
I know God exists, because God told me he exists, in a book that some other people wrote on God's behalf, that some other people cherry-pick the best bits to read at Church, because I can't be bothered to read a massive book like that myself to find out what it actually says.
I don't see why you atheists have such a problem with this. /s
The wisdom of truths that transcend time is wisdom far greater than human creation.
Wha
Proper logic has a conclusion. Proper things die at the end point. Logic is the process of mapping the terminal trajectory of human thought. Religious thinking is circular because it seeks to delude the mind into denying the end point of all thought.
"How do you know that?"
"God, duh! Checkmate"
"Every world view ultimately is circular" he says. So his reason for believing in god involved believing that there is a massive problem with knowledge itself.
“Every worldview is ultimately circular.”
Quick, my argument is going down in flames. Time to toss out a Red Herring.🤤
Can someone expand on what he means by induction? Is he talking about inductive reasoning?
I understand he's using an illogical argument to make a point about the illogical argument of the caller but I'm not sure if I'm missing something as to why he used that as his example.
"This is circular" dude at one point every belief set is circular, in science the whole circular block is called a paradigma, and the only reason you change paradigma is epistemic cost... But there's no epistemic cost in metaphysics, so the sole question is just "does it contradict itself ?".
It's the presence of an omnipotent being that can not only affect all your observations, but edit your thoughts and memories at a whim, that destroys the concept of knowledge itself.
You can't have a chicken without an egg, you can't have an egg without a chicken.
Knowledge comes from investigation and asking questions: The two things that religion cannot exist with.
Why is it so hard for some Christians to just say, "I believe in God because of faith. No it's not rational, it's based off of a feeling. When you can disprove my feelings come back and argue."
Instead they try and pretend their faith is logical and lose every single argument. It's sad like when a puppy bites it's tail and starts crying.
He sounds like a presupp.
Where did language come from?
Rudimentary language already exists among animals, even among those that cannot speak.
@@MK-lh3xd you are nuts.
@@briandavis8977 good rebuttal
We can’t assume that just because some have bad arguments that the outcome is automatically wrong.
Look for yourself, read frank tureks apologetics and other arguments. But just because this argument is bad doesnt make it logical to assume all argumebts for god are illogical.
I believe in God, but the caller is still wrong.
I believe in Shiva, and yes, the caller is wrong.
So "because god" isn't illogical? Yeah, sure... 🤦
For sure, circular thinking of appeal to authority and begging the question logical fallacies. Then his special pleading fallacy to finish his position. How did his specific god-character of antiquity acquire knowledge? When has the god of the gaps superceded demonstrable facts and objective reasoning?
wasn't the whole point of god telling adam not to eat fruit was so he wouldn't have knowledge? the blatant lies religious people have to tell themselves to believe this stuff must be in the hundreds
If a person wants to be atheist, let them. An atheist already knows what a Christian will tell them, so let that be good enough.
Poor little presupper.🤡
Priceless!!!
Where did God come from - who made or invented him
Logic states that Cartesian Skepticism can be used against Logic, and the logical conclusion is that Cartesian Skepticism is valid. 😂
BTW Circle Jerk has a dual meaning: on one side of the argument, it is against those who jerk a metaphysical circle. On the other side of the argument, it is against those who jerk a physical circle.
"We're The Aristocracts!" - The Aristocracts (Some long-running joke involving a certain demographic that may well be trying to mock Aristotle)
93/93 😂
omg the clip is circular... i love it LOL
I congratulate you on your patience, calmness and reasonable conversation ...... but don't you think it's a waste of time to tell people something they don't understand anyway......
When you don't have actual evidence you come up with this kind of bs
So then where do they get there knowledge?
Logically everything that exists in the universe is contingent and has a beginning because there will not be present out of an infinite regression, therefore there must be something or a (Necessary Existence) outside this contingent set that is eternal and independent with a will to bring everything into existence...
There is no other way.
A will? So to explain the existence of the universe you are suggesting that somehow a mind that is immaterial exists outside of space and time and can conjure matter using thoughts?
@@PureLuck719 First, Why it must have a Will?
Because at some point it chooses not to preform that action of Creation.
Second, I did not suggest that this being is just an immaterial entity, and I think it’s logically absurd to try to identify it’s assets with our limited empirical knowledge.
Moreover, This being also must be all powerful and all knowing to be able to create such a beautiful design.
Eventually, what I can assure you is that it meets every description of God, specially our Muslim description of God Almighty.
@@251rmartin except that even true atheistic evolution when truly pressed holds to this same special pleading fallacy when it comes to trying to explain the “nothing” that resulted in the Big Bang. That’s the problem with the reasoning behind atheism. They cannot remove the log in their own eye before removing the speck in anyone else’s. Because to do so would be self defeating.
God existed before our universe. Saying God can't exist without is false
Define existence
Knowledge is knowing captured, bound and presented in reference to relatively confirmed knowledge. Yeah. Thanks for the labels. .
The irony is that religious persons lack of knowledge
Inference exists because ...
Ignorance breeds circular arguments
This brief segment suggests A Swing and a Miss.
Most don't know what the host might have meant by 'induction'. Phooey.
No, not every thought pattern is circular.
I have my own reasons for believing in God and loving Jesus and it isn’t anybody’s business why but my own.
It's when Theists push for conversion or demand society does certain things over their "personal" beliefs that I have an issue.
So by all means, keep it to yourself.
@@ngcastronerd4791exactly. it honestly confuses me and see us act like somehow atheist are the bad guys who are trying to steal their religion or shit when they're the ones who literally try to make their religion law while meanwhile the worst I've seen atheists do it's simply tells me to stay out of everyone else's business and keep it to themselves unless they want us to also stay our own opinions about their religion
As long as it doesn't infringe on other people's "business", good for you.
@@C_A_I_N_N indeed. Theists always forget. To have true freedom 'of' religion, you need freedom 'from' religion.
But thats dogma for you.
@@ngcastronerd4791 yup.... I mean he'll Michael here felt the need to come into an atheist videos comment section just to say they don't have to justify their reasons for why they believe to us...
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from?
would god exist if you were not told he existed.
I love watching how Atheist think they are smarter than everyone. It’s quite amusing.
Sye Ten Bruggencate strikes again.
Tell him about that book he says he believes, but do not read
Its a circle lol if you turn it 90 degrees its still circle
Clearly his argument is poorly articulated, what he should've said was that upon the atheistic worldview you have no justification for knowledge claims.
Gentlemen you can't argue with stupid 😅
Nope. Religious faith = autism az a disorder or spiritual disabled syndrome. Gawd spiritual disorder.
My goodness 😳
What year is it? Regardless if you believe in God or not your keeping time by him
We keep time. Doesn’t mean it came from a god
What day is it? You are marking days with roman and norse gods.
God can't exist because with God, the universe can't exist.
Something doesn't come out nothing. Necessary cause it's the only logical theory. Arguing over religion is one thing. But to think that the big bang just happened for no reason is just dumb
The big bang was an example of something coming from something, we just haven't figured out what yet
@@PureLuck719 it's not that hard to figure out. At some point something(creator) created everything. There's absolutely nothing in our known universe that doesn't happen with without something else causing it. Problem is people grab the bible and base their lack of faith on a corrupted source. But if u break down the argument in a rational way u will find that the nothing from nothing argument is completely flawed.
@@timeones I have no idea what the "nothing from nothing" argument is, as the only people claiming that everything came from nothing are the theists. They claim that their creator made the entirety of the universe out of nothing.
I do believe there is an eternal metaphysical ground for the entire universe, but any suggestion that this thing is conscious is an idea that both has no evidence and makes no sense at all.
@@PureLuck719 theistic person's believe all existence comes from an ultimate source. The atheist believes in random occurrence. Every scientific theory still needs an ultimate cause to propel events. I'm not defending religion at this point. I'm an simply stating that even in philosophical terms everything needs a cause. And that cause needs purpose and intelligence. So even if we live in a simulation, there's an ultimate creator of said simulation. If u keep going back in "time" at some point there's an ultimate cause with a purpose hence a creator of some sort. The idea that perfection happens at random without an intelligent cause ia illogical.
But your god can come out of nothing? Sounds like special pleading to me. Second, no one claims that big bang came from nothing. Scientists have made observations that tell us there was a singularity and what happened after it. They have not claimed anything about what was before that.
we had knowledge before the concept of your god ever existed -- next!
People don't love God brcause they are under a curse for sin. If you demand absolute proof of God you will have to wait until it's too late. That might seem unfair, but, that's the way it is.
"But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.”
Exodus 33:20
“Book true cause book says so” 🤡
If God is Knowledge 😂 why we have school university? And Science and research ? So Atheists all should be without any knowledge?
Sye is that you?
DNA! Gotcha
I dont think he understands his own argument lol
Show me the agnostic who invented the sun. Where's the mathematical computation relational to planetary orbits inceptions.
Please rationalize how man got the Mississippi River to continually flow into the gulf of Mexico without:
1. Increasing the volume of the Gulf's water lever.
2. Flooding coastal cities.
3. Fresh water desalination of sea water.
I'll wait for your answers 🤣😅🤣😂
Did some body invent the sun? Sorry, I missed the memo. Can you send it to me?
You guys don't want to wait till death to believe
Oh no, is something bad gonna happen?
@@PureLuck719 well yes and it's gonna happen for all of us one day and we have our lives to get right with God but it's up to us cause God wants us to choose him cause I've bet you've heard this hell is real and there's a reason jesus spoke about hell way more than heaven
You don't want to get on the wrong side of Allah. Pray 5 times a day. You don't want to find out after death that the god of the quran is who you confront.
@@MK-lh3xd Jesus loves you and wants you to choose him cause he's the only person were all gonna face on judgment day
@@MK-lh3xd and he died for our sins cause he's the only person who was righteous and perfect and holy to be able to justify us in the sight of God and its up to all of us to choose him, life or death and there's two meanings to it hell (death) or heaven (life)
Goat Herders Guide to the Galaxy
1/5 stars do not recommend
I believe in God- I just do. There's probably no reason. I was taught about God and it just stuck. I liked it.
What’s more important to you: believing something because it makes you feel good or believing something because it’s true?
I know God is real because you can’t k le things without him?
Knowledge is the result of your brain collecting information and forming neuron connections. Animals collect knowledge too. How is god needed for this?
@@my_Lord_please_note_that they need to be , thus being has to be
@@my_Lord_please_note_that they need to be , thus being has to be
without Consciousness there is no reality. and reality can't come from nothing. existence in itself is a miracle. and everything in the universe functions together as a complete unit. which suggests intelligent design. Everything Seen comes from The Unseen spiritual Realm
_existence in itself is a miracle_
That’s a hold statement. Can you support it?
The universe working doesn’t suggest ID.
@@therick363 it's not a bold statement it's common sense and doesn't need explaining. Even DNA has been proven to have a design pattern to it and it's far too complex for people to understand.
@@loveistruth5713es it is a bold statement.
Many claim things are common sense and don’t need explanation. Doesn’t mean it’s true. And often those who say it don’t like when it’s tossed back at them. Here-no gods are needed to explain anything when the events, causes and phenomena are all natural. It’s common sense that it’s all from a natural source.
No DNA has not proven design patter.
Saying it’s too complex is just personal incredulity.
Now please support that “existence in itself is a miracle”
Lot of wu wu there
@@MK-lh3xd what's wu wu ..reality too deep for you, be careful you don't drowned it