[Baroque ornamentation and improvisation] G. F. Händel - Passacaille in G Minor - HWV 432
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- I made this video to show how ornamentation and improvisation are used by a few harpsichordists on Händel's Passacaille in G Minor (from Suite No. 7 - HWV 432).
0:00 - Disclaimer
0:25 - Ludger Rémy
4:53 - Ottavio Dantone
10:24 - Scott Ross
15:34 - Richard Egarr
20:05 - Laurence Cummings
Score available at: imslp.simssa.ca/files/imglnks...
The music and video published in this channel are exclusively dedicated to divulgation purposes and not commercial. If someone, for any reason, would deem that a video appearing in this channel violates the copyright, please inform me immediately before you submit a claim to TH-cam, and we will care to remove immediately the video accordingly. - เพลง
![[Baroque ornamentation and improvisation] G. F. Händel - Sarabande in D Minor - HWV 437](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7EuqTEo1X6o/mqdefault.jpg)
![[LIVE] ย้อนวันวานกับนางเอกยุค 90's #คุยให้เด็กมันฟัง EP.42 (8/6/67)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MslQDdFwULE/mqdefault.jpg)
Which one did you like the most? Do you like ornamentation and improvisation?
Ottavio Dantone!!!!!
Thanks for the video! Richard Egarr was impressive throughout the whole piece and his ending cadenza was satisfying
love that you did this
Honestly, can't decide! And I believe, those artists would not play it in the same way twice. I believe, according to the circumstances they would play it differently.
Richard Edgar
Addressing this subject of ornamentation, Francois Couperin wrote "We do not play as we write" in his famous treatise of 1716, L'Art De Toucher Le Clavecin (The Art of Playing the Harpsichord). With this in mind, it explains how twenty musicians playing the same piece can give twenty subtly different but equally valid interpretations.
In this quote Couperin was not really talking about ornamentation , he was more precisly referring to the « notes inégales » that us , French poeple used to play, and still use for the french music especially.
Bravo 👌❤
Is this not the beauty of baroque music - the performer enters into a dialogue the composer becoming a co-creator of the piece of music!
@@matthieuvaucamps8289correct. I also remember this quote being specifically about "nottes inégales" being compared to French spelling.
I make it to 200 likes
is jazz just baroque music my god weve come full circle
Not quite, the baroque era is when we slowly started moving away from improvisation towards fully written out compositions. Obviously it wasn’t all black and white, as displayed here, and improvisation was still often encouraged, though as music became more complex and composers less anonymous, some of them began to complain about performers not playing their pieces “the right way”.
Renaissance time music scene was much more like jazz in my opinion, plenty of compositions were really just arrangements of known tunes, familiar chord progressions or simple bass lines (like the passacaglia above) that a musician was expected to know and improvise upon, very much like when jazz musicians jam on jazz classics.
I agree, but there's still an obvious common point between jazz and baroque, though, which lies in the fact that it is not played as written. And in the french style, you get to swing the quavers ("croches inégales"). Which means the time signature will be like 3/4 for instance but requires to be played as 9/12. Just as in a Big Band score.
Most of jazz music is rediscovering what he had forgotten
@@matttondr9282I think you’re mixing that up with the late classical/romantic period. Improv was an *absolute must* if you wanted to be a good composer in the Baroque era. Practically everyone was studying and training in basso continuo/partimento
Not only did I discover a new favorite harpsicord piece, but hearing these different interpretations of just improvisation and ornamentation is extremely cool. Dope upload!
Well done. I'm a nerd for Baroque performance technique. This is really well explained. Loved it.
That’s amazing! Can you recommend me a piece of literature or treatise? I’m looking to improve myself
@@kgjhskgskgskgskdgfsk Try Dr. Thierry Mathis, Le Clavecin en France, Latour.
@@kgjhskgskgskgskdgfsk If you can wait til next winter: Thierry Mathis, Das Wohltemperierte Clavier, Latour. There you can read more about tempo, fingerings, gracements and you can understand why it should be played this way. Bach wrote his WTC for teaching, so it will be ideal for your purpose.
That is SUCH a lovely sounding harpsichord - the first one!! All of them, but particularly the first. What is it?? This video has made my day. I cannot otherwise decide relative merits. What a magnificent, joyful, musical feast!
Thank you very much indeed for your comment! It was played by Ludger Rémy on a harpsichord after Michael Mietke, Berlin circa 1700, built by Bruce Kennedy in Amsterdam in 2000. Recording by radiobremen, 2002. More information can be found on www.discogs.com/release/17331694-Georg-Friedrich-Händel-Ludger-Rémy-Suites-de-Pieces-le-Clavecin-1720
Very nice both of the comments and video and all info, thanks :)
The art of baroque playing is unfortunately not very known but so is classical music in general really, most perceive it as being just "better" with time and today's music genres such as pop, rock types, bossa novae etc, being the most developed, but all of that is really wrong. Each genre and period is of its own, and classical encapsulates all of those too. The classical period isn't more "developed" than baroque etc IMHO, each period has things it considers more important and perfection where everything is Utopia can't be, as example is the matter of tuning, triads were important and since eg Debussy's time were the fifths per the equal 'temperament' approximation and so on.
Agree!
The first one might appeal more due to the key. The first one isn't actually being played in g minor, but rather F Minor, which to my ear suits the piece more
Edit: Forgot about Baroque tuning, that means the first one was technically being played in F# Minor and the other ones were being played at concert pitch :)
@@itsdarksucksit’s still in G minor, just A392 which is the modern standard for French baroque music. But it can also add a nice colour to other things.
What I can appreciate is that each performer does what he wants, the written note is only a reference to give free rein to his imagination, good taste is also important when improvising.
I agree with other comments about the first harpsichord, sounding so beautiful, great instrument/player and great recording. Anyhow my personal taste [just that] goes for Ottavio Dantone's rendition, he has an amazing 'con brio' feel but when requested also a deep sad mood. His interpretation of embellishments is coherent during the whole composition. Well, this is a masterpiece by Maestro Handel, thank you.
Italians... ;)
Totally agree!
@@arthurfilemon6038 italians always play the best ornaments in baroque performance!
I loved Remy's the most particularly because of how he begins the passacaglia by reducing the harmonic progression. Your video is awesome, I listen to this for when I study!
All of them played it magically in thier own way , it's like hearing the same story from different people and each one of them expresses how they felt it .
Thank you for this unique uplaod and could'nt have a better start for a happy new year .
😁👍🏼💙🌸🌸🌸
improvised passacaglia? *i love all iterations of this piece* it literally saved my life.
Edit1: i'm not halfway in yet and this magnifico!
My favourite interpretation is by Ludger Remy 👍👍👍👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The sheet music is like the Pirate code from Pirates of the Caribbean. More of a guideline than an actual code... 1 and 2 are my favorite, 4 had a nice little riff at the end. And to think the composer was almost a lawyer.
3:25 i started believing that electric guitar was invented way back then
I think there is one thing we all learned... Handel sounds good no matter who plays it.
Ive watched this particular video about 30 times now in total, its by far one of my favorite videos on youtube
Thank you, Guilherme! I wanted to watch it for educational purposes, but I got totally bedazzled and mesmerised by the beauty of these interpretations. Each of them! Wonderful!
I LOVE the notes inégal from the fourth keyboardist!
Best interpretation after listening to the first ten bars🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤ this is the least boring way to play Handel ❤❤❤❤
Oh. You did it four times! I only focused on the first and fourth one. Absolutely amazing! The interpretations have that much differences. Love them. I will listen more as I go. Have you ever want to make a Glenn gould impressionation? 😮😮😅😅 I don’t know if harpsichordists do humm while they were playing back in baroque era😅😅😅
Lovely to listen to Sunday morning with my morning coffee
Back to the piano ….. inspiring 🖤
Браво!Полный восторг!Все украшения вписаны без единого шва,импровизация блестящая.Слушала и не дышала!Спасибо!
Handel is the greatest composer to have ever lived, to him I bow the knee and I kneel at his grave. Ludwig Van Beethoven
I have listened to this music a lot on the organ. That's why Ottavio Dantone is lucky.
Variations measures 45 to 52 are gorgeous - Thank You Guiherme for this video which is very useful for people not used to our baroque way of playing music, closer to the jazz spirit than to the "classical" notation. Often, for a kind of warm-up in rehearsals with other musicians, we choose a simple chaconne or passacaille pattern (ostinato bass) and we improvise. I love this exercise : first, it obliges to play while listening to the others... second, someone can go in a weird attempt, and we all appreciate inventing new harmonies (or it's complete failure - lol). If someone is interested, pls ask me : I can post a link on a recording with 2 harps, 1 baroque guitar and my archlute on the motif of "Lamento della Ninfa" of Monteverdi
love dantone's interpretation so beautiful
While I will always have preferences, I am so glad you did this! It really highlights the elegance and beauty that embodies classical music, especially from the Baroque period.
Enjoying the attack on the 2nd version. Feeds right into my rhythmic, staccato-like, Postmodern biases!!
I Just loved seeing these variations and their different interpretations! 😍👏👏👏
Richard Egarr.
I love the sound and bass section (and playing) of the second performance. The bass sounds bit like a modern synth, very cool and punchy.
The fourth one had a hell of an ending… In general this is a very captivating video, and I've come to appreciate Handel more having simmered in this Passacaglia-which goes deep-as I definitely have before, too, as well as Lully. It seems increasingly true, to me, that Bach wasn't the be-all and end-all of Baroque music, as might be the drift of his reputation; his offerings don't include every color of the rainbow of compositional flavor, like here-which would be an unfair expectation as it is.
I feel like trying to follow this type of music, exercises your brain!!
very instructive
Very interesting video, I'm studying this piece on the piano and it gives clues. The imagination these musicians show is really impressive, I especially enjoy Ottavio Dantone.
I can't decide which one I like best, but I like this video a lot. I hope you will make more videos!
Very interesting and enjoyable! Thanks!
Amo el sonido del clavicordio y estos arreglos ❤
I enjoyed all of the interpretations but my top three are Egarr, Rémy, and Dantone's interpretations.
I like it for the same reason I like improvisations in Jazz. It makes each performance unique
This is Handel .the great ...
The performer is also a great player
.hats off ..
❤
One of my favorite Handel songs. Thanks for uploading.
it is NOT a song. it is a passacaglia.
@@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo HOW DARE YOU!
@@ChronicMetamorphosis Blah blah blah blah. Just dont ever use the word "song" for any work of classical music unless it is an actual song. It is wrong and shows ignorance and by doing so you took away my childhood! Using wrong words for music is racist.
@@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo From Encyclopedia Brittanica:
passacaglia, (Italian, from Spanish passacalle, or pasacalle: “street song”),
Would you like a towel to wipe the egg off your face?
I suggest you whipe your hurt butt off with that outdated encyclopedia of yours.
The term passacaglia (Spanish: pasacalle; French: passacaille; Italian: passacaglia, passacaglio, passagallo, passacagli, passacaglie) derives from the Spanish pasar (to walk) and calle (street). It originated in early 17th-century Spain as a strummed interlude between instrumentally accompanied dances or SONG (an actual sung song that is).
Despite the form's Spanish roots (confirmed by references in Spanish literature of the period), the first written examples of passacaglias are found in an Italian source dated 1606.[3] These pieces, as well as others from Italian sources from the beginning of the century, are simple, brief sequences of chords outlining a cadential formula and in no way shape or form a song.
The term "song" being used for any piece of classical music is only used by people (mostly poorly educated Muricans) who just barely dipping their toe into the world of classical music for the first time after they had their brain being fogged up and smoothed out for decades by modern poor quality commercial chart music. Those types of people have listened to vivaldi his 4 seasons violin concertos once or twice and to Bach his famous toccata and think they know classical music. yet proceed using terms used in modern pop music.
Using "song" for any classical piece that is not an actual song just shows ignorance and amateurism. What is even more ignorant and pathetic is when those types of people (you that is) are trying to defend their wrong terminology because they don't want to loose face at all costs!. Quite laughable.
You can put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Funny thing is that using this piece I have tried to play a bit with ornaments and improvisation more than any other piece.
Excelente vídeo, a minha interpretação favorita é a do Ludger Rémy. Mas todas são belas gravações.
I'm undecided
Master Dantone and Master Remy ♥
I know this very nice piece. I have heard it already once.
2:21 and the 1st perdormance in general is my favourite. I remember the first time I heard the repetition on 2:21, my jaw just dropped and I connected wirh the piece so intimately. Idk, it struck me like a lightning
Richard Egarr's-naturally! His improvisation is exactly what the term implies. I was surprised by Scott Ross's impoverished rendition; he must have been at the end of his life when he played this, for it is nothing like his scintillating, superb, unmatched Scarlatti sonatas.
(You ought to have added Byron Schenkman's version.)
Richard Egarr... and Mr. Dantone. Amazing ;)! The first harpsichord sounds lovely, indeed, but I'm afraid that's actually not ONLY due to the instrument but also due to the circumstances in which it was recorded, place, acoustics, later mixing, etc.
So satisfying
So beautiful! I play it on the piano sometimes, but at quarter speed and many mistakes, haha 😂
I appreciate the agogic accents. Well done.
Amazing
Have dolce e amabile moments
I love Harpsichord
Welcome to Indonesia
DAMN this shi sound badass asf, these frl cookin😮💨😮💨
Lindo demais 😍
AMAZING! THANX
Thank you!
19:28 was a brain flipper for sure
Laurence Cummings ❤️
Virginia Black is the ultimate player of this piece!
I've never heard her playing before. Great performance!
Thumbs up! 👍
do one of the gallant style!
Bravo! Now where to buy the sheet music and try playing this for myself.
It's crazy that none of them is playing in the way I hear it : staccato on the eights.
Scott Ross is apparently the only one who knows what inégalité is.
I love Egarr version best.
4 and 5 - the best)
Who are all those Ludger, Ottavio etc? When did they wrote this improvisation and is Handel the first Passacaglia composer? To me all of them sounded basically the same. I love it. I also heard about Scarletti and Handel's performance, was it improvisation, and do we have their notations? I think this piece and the variations are the best way to sight-read and practise technique.
❤️❤️❤️
❤
My favorite is probably Scott Ross, especially at the end where he provides an "imbroglio adeguato"-or adequate confusion-that is as exciting as it is becoming. Still, you ought to check Byron Shenkman: his G-minor suite is supreme.
2:12 Interesting time signature combo.
Academia: "Classical musicians don't improvise. Study the masters long enough, and you too will write like them..."
Pre 20th century composers: 😱
Pelo seu nome vc é br né? Achei esse vídeo incrível, vc podia fazer mais do tipo
Obrigado! Sim, eu dei uma pausa por causa do trabalho e também porque o TH-cam diminuiu muito o alcance do meu canal após negar a monetização. Mas, fico feliz por gostar do meu trabalho!
Th notation is not the piece. It points to the piece.
8:47 question, I’m pretty ignorant about how strict rules were during baroque but wouldn’t those parallel octaves be taboo? Or was this rule routinely broken?
For sure parallel octaves are not commonly used in Baroque pieces of music. I think, in this case, they were used just to emphasize the lower notes
These arent called paralells, they are just used to give a tone more volume/sound. Also used in Mozarts Alla turca
insane
Переложіть цю мелодію на електро гітару і ви отримаєте світовий хіт 😎
Everytime a piece is played it should sound slightly different. Or it's just being rehearsed
Ottavio Dantone for me
Dodo!
Sad that some people don't distinguish the ornamentation and changing the original rhythmic pattern written by composer.
Барочная музыка без мелизмов как шашлык без перца
Are these played by a real harpsichord or by a computer?
Real harpsichord
Silly question. No computer or synth can play these. You'll notice it immediately if a computer, or even some pneumatical system would play it from a roll of paper, like a Welte-piano or a "drehorgel". Well, I've never seen a harpsichord operated by these systems, only pianos, tubular bells, pipe organs and some kinds of music boxes, like the ones exhibited in museums. I've seen many kinds of these when I was in Berlin.
@@thpeti i mean did he play it on a piano and made the sound with editing or played A real harpischord
there is no need to say it is a silly question
@@bird100yearsago2 OK :)
Why does the Scott Ross one sound so out of tune?
2 🦻👍
Sulle "Diverse interpretazioni " e "Ognuno si esprime come sente" : 😢😢😮😮 Meditare !!!/
Richard Egarr is the winner in my opinion. Dantone comes in second.
Remy and Cummings were boring and Ross is outdated
Remy too, too, too, too, too fast!
None of these are the way I play it : )
lovely sound but unfortunately there is no synchro between the sound and the score on the screen
Each variation is repeated. The video is pretty well synchronised with the audio.
I didn't like the scott ross style. made it more like a Prussian military anthem. I'm sure Hendel's spirit was smiling at him as he listened to Laurence Cummings. full hendel , full baroque magnificent interpretation
Estrose interpretazioni!
Personally, I hate Dantone's interpretation, too percussive, too violent, "mechanic" and shownoff.
they variations you picked are so good/diverse! I could teach my class this video for the entire year...
I personally learned a lot from Ludger Rémy, the by far -competition-wise /score-wise best version (the first one) with his steady broadening of the scope and thus really emphazising changes and awarness, as well as participation for the listeners
richard edger gave a really nice performance for students to Imitate and get used to some techniques..i think he played the most predictable
Mr Dantone was just loud, no style..some dynamical changes within his ornamentation showing the immense concentration he used for the piece, but it was to much overall and ruined the actually dialogue between T4-D6 on the ending of each meassure.
Scott Ross although playing on a non-tuned instrument was more lean on the sheet and dispersed only in small steps, especially noteworthy were the accurate meassure 30 and following
However...Laurence Cumming really changed the entire dynamic by starting a sprint from the beginning, you could really feel the anger within the musician, lots of notes were played with to much pressure and the tempi changes sporasticly...definetly a musician who had a bad day
Thank you!!