UNBOXING BALL PYTHONS - NOT HAPPY
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- We unboxed two pastel 100% het piebald ball pythons from Tropical Tom's on MorphMarket. The result was less than desirable. We will be doing a couple followup videos on these snakes to keep people apprised of how they progress.
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What was the sellers response to all of this?
Mike K his remarks to me were Lee's than kind, and they do not need to hit a public forum where kids visit
I am glad you will take better care of the snakes then them.😊😊😊
Oh they are doing fantastic now :)
No heating pack? In March?! That’s crazy! So glad they’re in much better hands now!
“See if we can get a weight on them real quick here in just a moment, after.”
those poor little noodles, I can hardly believe shipping them in March with no heat? very lucky snakes indeed. I hope in the time that you have posted this and now that they are doing well and that they prove to be what you ordered. I do hope Mr. Tom loses his animals and he goes to jail cause this is very wrong to starve an animal and ship it in cold conditions without heat is like torture as the snake just slowly freezes. give them a little boop for me and happy breeding
They are considerably better. Their weights are up, they are feisty. As for proving out, I'm confident they will not prove to be what I ordered, but they have forever homes now.
I looked at Tropical Tom's snakes on morph market. His snakes all seem way under fed!! He has 4 snakes on morph market right now (at the time I wrote this) that are from 2012 and only one is over 1000 grams!! One is 890 grams, one is 915 grams, one is 990 grams, and the 4th is a whopping 1093 grams and all 4 are from 2012!!
By the way, I just liked, and subscribed to you.
Thanks bro! much appreciated! And yeah, his weights are way off. One of the girls has already put on over 100 grams. The other one is doing well too, but a little slower to gain weight. I am planning on doing an update video on Tuesday I think.
I saw some of "Tropical Tom's" snakes on Morph Market 3 or 4 months ago. I couldn't believe the weights they were posting for their snakes. I thought maybe they goofed somehow. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be a goof. I'm letting everyone I can think of on TH-cam know about the situation. Maybe someone like Brian Barczyk or Brian Kusko can do something about it. Thanks for posting this video!!
That's why I decided to post the video unedited. I talked to the guys at olympus, and after a bit of a conversation, I decided to be completely transparent on my channel. This way, future buyers will be able to find the video and make an informed decision. If it is warm, heat packs aren't needed for instance. So they can take that into account. And the weights... again they get to make Informed decisions.
@@budyjames77 lmao
I was thinking about ordering a Coral glow cinnomon from morphmarket (seller is Extordinary Ectotherms). Should I or should I got to a different seller?
I know that you’re in Kentucky, but Richard is the owner of Reptile Rapture in Madison, Wisconsin. He breeds most of his own animals and takes really REALLY good care of them. You should check them out. I personally don’t believe in shipping the animals, but I’m always pleased with their customer service and the conditions of their animals whenever I visit them.
I haven't heard of him, I will definitely check him out!
Kentuckiana Exotics The website is www.reptilerapture.net. They’re also on TH-cam. I bought a tortoise from them back in November of 2013 and he’s still going strong. ☺️
All of my BP's came from Ben Renic. They were impeccably packaged with identifying photos and morph info. Sadly, Ben passed tragically, but his work continues. You can't go wrong with Renick Reptiles.
Definitely glad to here you are happy with your babies. Ben was a great guy, and an inspiration within the reptile community for sure! I will more than likely end up getting a snake from Renick Reptiles in the future, but I want to get snakes from many many sources, to help smaller people get reviewed, to help new buyers know whom they can trust, and more. So far, this was the only bad review I have ever done, so I am hoping it stays that way :)
It was great to see them and hear you complain at the same time.
Poor babies. Why can't people care for animals properly? Glad they survived. 💜💜💜
I am very happy they survived and are doing quite well now :) Thanks for your care!
I have seen another place that receives orders from the same place (by looking at the box, packaging and bags)...they ship them with cold packs
Contact Snake Discovery....I think she received snakes from the same place.
@@creationsbyleatrice9395 I'm happy to hear he uses cold packs when it's hot. Snakes can cook fast in the heat. And if you order these shipping packs, they come with both heat and cold packs both so you can use what's needed
Wow!!!! That Was Disappointing Well Like You Said They Are In Good Hands Now
Yup. I'm glad to have them. I am going to be proving them out one way or the other this coming season. And they won't be going anywhere.
@@KentuckianaExotics Very Nice!!!!
this is true they dont have any trouble surviving down here in florida wild where in the winter it gets down to freezing more than people think
Rickys Half yeah. Some make it If they get deep enough to stay warm enough.
My brother got me a piebald pair for my birthday a year ago.. Need I mind you my brother has no idea about snakes. So he got them from Tropical Tom's. two weeks after getting them. One had died, the other had a bad respiratory infection. Lucky I was able to save that one... Even with putting them in quarantine, they had riddled half of my other snakes with mites.... Was a pain in the ass trying to care for the one that was sick, along with killing off the mites, and still being able to make formation in the mornings.
I'm so glad you were able to save one of them! And provent-o-mite is part of my cleaning routine. You can never be too safe.
I agree. How are yours doing? Hope you were able to get them up to weight.
@@xRipperx619 yeah, took a while but I got them healthy
Awesome, glad you were able to get them back up to strength.
You and me both! I love snakes, and have a rather good collection of just plain normals even, and I hate to see any in that condition.
Poor babies.....being in there with no heating pad. I'm glad you will be making sure they're treated properly now. They're very pretty.
I have had them about 6 months now, and they are doing great. And yes they are very pretty :)
Oh yeah and no freaking heat pad? Dude this guy is something else.
next time you need snakes check out BHB reptiles. based out of Michigan, Brian takes VERY good care of all his snakes and animals
I have been thinking about hitting up Brian for a few of the "bigger" combos that I am going to want. I know his reputation quite well :) I even thought about taking a drive up to pick one up when I do decide to purchase one.
I wouldn't recommend him either he sent me unheated, cold snake as well.
I don't know about the snakes but i have gotten my leopard geckos from him and they were packed right,they told me when they were shipping and everything. My experience was pretty good. It upsets me though that he would ship with out heat packs.
I am glad to hear you had a positive experience! I have read and seen many mixed reviews at this point, and I am kind of at a loss as to why there is such a huge variance from the same keeper. That said, I don't wish him ill, I just wish his animals well.
I don't yet have leopard geckos, however I think I may get a couple in the future as pets only. I kind of want a large collection with a lot of variety once I move and am able to house the expansion I am wanting :) But that will be a good bit in the future.
Beautiful pythons
Thanks you Tatts! They are a permanent addition to my collection :)
Kentuckiana Exotics awesone I want to get one
I hope you know the second female you pull out is not a pastel.
got to the part were you say "this was supposed to be" haha hope they prove out for ya!
sal Bellantoni yeah, second one is a normal hopefully het pied. First is a pastel KRG poss Enchi, poss het pied. I did an update video on them, after talking with people who could help me identify the first one. I knew I was seeing something odd, but didn't know what it was. I will pair them both to a pied male next year to prove them out one way or the other.
Pastels lose the yellow as they age. Just so you all know.
No pastel don't lose their color they brown out but you can still tell they are pastels second snake looks to be a normal
Great reptile channel
Thank you! It's my goal to show all the ups and downs in our hobby, and to try to be a positive force as our community grows.
I think that you show check out snake bites they raise snakes and they are very good and they take really great care of there snakes and animals they have a youtube channel as well
Should
Just out of curiosity, lets say you drove x miles to go pick up the reptile, then drove back with it not in a box (in he baggys they get shipped inside the box in), would that be less stress on the reptile or the same as being shippedin a box? (I have no experience or anything with them so sorry if I worded anything wrong)
Mikayla Johnson there would be similar stress I think. The question would be a matter of speed? How long are they stressed? Because being removed from your home, put in a bag, and can feel the movement of travel in both ways.
@kentuckiana exotics
That makes sense, thank you for the info 😊
Mikayla Johnson you're always welcome. Hope you and yours are doing well.
Poor babies. sounds like you love your snakes the be in good hands now
You have to love your babies. They are doing much better now :) Hope you are doing good too
The second one seems to be a normal. That sucks I always feed animals that where purchased like I do my breeders sorry to here about your experience man. Makes me mad that people take short cuts these are live animals! Hope all is well
Thanks brother. The second is a normal, and honestly, I am still glad to have her in my collection. They are still beautiful animals, and I wouldn't let them go for anything.
Looking back with logic, and how they have grown since, I am rather sure the second one was shipped after having laid a clutch of eggs. It would explain the tail suck and the ridge of her spine easily, and given neither of the snakes are what I ordered, I don't think the age is right for the first girl either, so the slow feeding may not have been as bad as I first thought. So hopefully they weren't neglected too bad.
Thank you for the well wishes, I don't know if you have a channel on here, or a facebook, but given your name and comment, I am going to assume you breed. I am getting married tomorrow, so I dont have a lot of time on here tonight to check you out, but leave me another message so I can check you out when I have more time :)
poor girls :( Breaks my heart to see things like this
Same, that is why I posted it. Lets people know what to avoid. They are doing much better now :)
I'm very thankful that y'all got them! The guy has no business around any kind of animal! I personally think any one that miss treats animals should have to be treated the way they treated them! God bless y'all!
Balinda Hymen I agree. And thank you. I broke quarantine protocols here to put them on ready heat. I didn't wait a week to feed. I changed everything I do for those babies.
We got another snake today, and the video should go up tomorrow. Much better conditions. It is why I decided to one take all UNBOXING videos. People see what I see, and can make educated decisions.
Kentuckiana Exotics Thank you for for the response, I now have y'al on my list! I'll be watching for new posts. I could see and hear the pain you feel for those critters! God bless y'all! Y'all all will be in me prayers an will be watching for updates! 😀
And may you be blessed as well!
Way too little to be 4 years old. I’m shaking I’m so angry. These poor sweethearts. Thankfully they came to the right people!
RJ they are well on their way to good weights. They eat like champs. Their ribs are covered, their tails aren't sucked in. I'm much happier now :)
Just backtrack a little bit to see this video I'm so sorry you had to deal with something like that
The Genetic Hunters hey bros. Yeah but at the same time I learned a lot to take into the future. I got two snakes that I now love. And quite frankly, it will help others out going forward.
Good luck with them and glad you got them out of their situation. I honestly would have been real wary after that communication became real choppy/iffy myself and probably just dropped the deal, personally. In the end I'm not trusting of certain sources that are like you described your experience as.
Jesse W. Thank you for the will wishes. I am more than happy to have them still as they are both probably going to be permanent additions to the family.
800 grams at 4 years? yikes. anyway i don't need to point out to you that a breeder selling a snake and not holding it back is actually incentivized to keep it smaller-- less expensive food, takes up less space, etc.
bought one on morph market recently which was only 140 grams at 10 months old. put some weight on her and doing well now
bob dole congrats on your baby doing well. I hope they give you the happiness mine do me!
Do ball pythons like to be handled often? I'm considering getting one
A good majority of them are quite okay with being handled often. There are some that aren't, but they are fewer. If you get them young, and work with them, they really do make wonderful pets.
Things to note about handling snakes: Do NOT handle them the day you are going to feed them. Don't handle them much the day after you feed them. Snakes feel most vulnerable when they have recently eaten due to the fact that they cant move like normal. So a bit of a "break" before and after feeding is usually suggested.
If you are considering getting a ball python, get the setup up and running ahead of time. Make sure the temperatures and humidity are good ahead of time. Take your time and find one that you absolutely find gorgeous. Classic/Normals are how most people start keeping them, but if there is a morph you like, find the most beautiful version of it you can. Also, put money back for vet bills. Hopefully, you will never need it, but just in case funds are a great idea ahead of time. Forums are a great place to get ideas of anything wrong, however no one knows every thing that can go wrong, and being able to afford tests and medicines is always advised, even with cats and dogs and any other creatures you decide to take care of.
That said, they are amazingly hardy animals that are worth keeping. I am glad you are considering getting one, and I wish you true joy while keeping them.
Kentuckiana Exotics ok! Thanks for replying
These should most certainly be considered rescues.
Emily Click yeah, but instead I just consider then part of the family. I love them no matter how many times they bite me lol.
Kentuckiana Exotics. All of my animals are my babies. I couldn't imagine not having them. Koda (male normal ball) accidentally hit me with his teeth a few days ago when he aimed wrong at his food. It wasn't an actual bite, it was more he brushed his teeth across my finger only make tiny scratches.
These girls are definitely not used to being handled like I do with my babies. But I agree, your animals should be part of the family, just like a family dog.
Hey, I was just given a Ball Python as a surprise gift. It was unfortunately purchased from PetSmart. They supplied a sheet showing the days it would eat and when it would shed. The sheet also had "Date Arrived" which added up to 3 months, but no actual age of the snake. It also failed to give the sex of the snake, I was told that the employee at PetSmart said it was "too young to sex", which I've never heard of.
So my question is:
What should a 3 month old Ball Python weigh and how long should they be?
MachoDingus first off, I'm happy you got a baby. Weight ranges, it can vary based on how big they hatched. I have hatched babies as small as 28 grams, and as heavy as 94 grams. If they average 60 grams, at 3 months You should be looking at about 100 gram range plus or minus given eating habits and other factors.
MachoDingus as for lengths, I never measure that really. I worry that they eat, and they shed proper. Everything else can take it's time. As for sexing a snake, you can do that once they are out of the egg. You just have to be careful not to damage the sex organs. I only teach people to do that in person so I canensure a snakes safety.
I have to admit your new snakes are beautiful but I have to ask a couple questions. 1. Do they spend their life in thoes plastic tubs? 2. What do you do with them?
Greg Del Bene thank you. yes, they live in the rack system. As to what I do with them, I love getting them out and about. I live by a good sized park, and I really enjoy walking around it with snakes around me. I get to educate people about them, and show people not all snakes are aggressive much less dangerous.
I also love letting them roam the snake room from time to time. I also of course make videos about them as I breed them.
Id only buy from bhb. Exactly for this reason. So sorry for these snakes. Imagine their lives before if they cold ship!
I can't say you should limit yourself to just one company, however I do love BHB. There are plenty of people willing to hold their heads high and treat you well, and in good faith. I personally want to get from a good number of sources to find and share great newer and smaller breeders with others. I would hope others would do the same for me. It's my way of trying to help build the community up :)
Though if BHB has what I want for my more expensive purchases, I will definitely hit them up ;)
Love BHB
I had been thinking about purchasing two 2015 het pied females also from Tropical Tom’s. They were both around 450g but the last update was from months ago. I emailed him for updated information with no response. I inquired about the two females a few months later. He quickly responded with the females still being available but that he had a lot of interest for them. He messaged me two days later telling me I needed to hurry and purchase because he had more interest in them. I felt as if he was more or less trying to push me into purchasing so I just decided not to do business.
I'm glad to hear you decided against it. I should have taken a bit longer in my decision to buy as well. I think it took me about 2 hours. I googled the guy, found a few great posts about him, and didn't consider they could be fake (as has been suggested since). I ordered, and the video kind of explains what came next, and my findings. Luckily the girls are taking to food rather well. They have yet to turn down a meal. I hope you find a few girls you like soon :)
Dude, I really don't wanna be an ass and you're welcome to go rag on my videos but for real man? Do you think you're actually being realistic in your expectations here? BHB for example is a TH-camr now who makes more money on TH-cam than his reptiles. He has a staff taking care of the reptiles. You bought from one dude who has to do it all himself, do you know how much work 500 snakes is? It's hard to balance everything and I don't think you're having compassion for the effort involved in doing this. You're young and I get young people rush to judgment without thinking but still man. Okay, that's it, I'll shut up now it's just tough to see as somebody who has been a father, husband, had 500 snakes to tend to and endless emails that were always a struggle to prioritize. Out of curiosity, can you add more details to the description. Price paid, shipping cost paid, number of email exchanges, temps on his end and yours when shipped. These are all important factors.
Also had a similar experience. The seller was nice, but shipped in winter without heat packs and there was a delay so she almost died. Had to resuscitate her.
Glad they got a better home
hope the best!
Thank you! They both ate last night, which is a good first step. Definitely a long way to go, but we will get there.
Idk about you but I would’ve saved the weighing for later and put them straight into the heat so they’d feel better. Maybe get them something to eat. Let em warm up and feel better before weighing them
V1per V1R0S we got then on heat faster than I ever have, they fed day two, but I didn't want to feed day one of arrival. But weight is always done when I unbox. Gives me a start point for my records.
That would have them go into shock and die. It's like putting a human who has hypothermia into warmth. They can die
What do you mean by fast feed?
fast feeding means I feed every 5 days instead of 7. Also, when first getting a snake, usually you wait a week to feed to allow them time to adapt to their new environment. If you want to feed them faster, you take a good chance of them refusing the meal, which if you have other snakes, is easy to push down the line. but if not, you may risk wasting rats if you feed frozen thawed.
I do not advocate feeding multiple rats in the same day unless it is in certain circumstance, which are few and far between, like say you get a egg to hatch and the baby comes out 25 grams. That's a serious health risk. if they refuse food, they might not make it a few weeks. So you assist feed pinky mice right? or force feed if absolutely necessary. You can (though not always recommended) feed them two of the pinky mice in one sitting, so they get double the food to grow. This is called chain feeding or power feeding. If you do it too much though, you can cause your snake to get a fatty liver and other issues that will impact their health. Obesity is a real issue in snakes that people dont realize. So, fast feeding can mean a few things. In this case though, it was meaning to push food on a slightly accelerated time table, for a short period of time (8 meals), to help them get up to a healthier weight range from being under fed. After that, they were put back on a normal time table, so they don't incur any undue effects. I hope this helps. If I made it more confusing, feel free to ask all the questions you want. I am here to help people learn.
Thank goodness for u them poor babies reptiles need love too
We have to love our babies :) what would be the point in having them if you aren't going to love and care for them?
That’s so damn sad. How can you ship a snake without a heat pack in the cold?! Thank you for making this video. And for caring more about getting them away from that scumbag than their genetics. Only little comment I have is to let a cold snake come to room temp before putting them on heat. It can cause problems but I think it’s pretty clear you knew what you were doing. Thanks for calling this guy out!
Snakes are just so beautifull.. where i live right now, pet's aren't allowed. But i'm definately getting some in the future.
I am glad to hear you find beauty in them! When you are ready to get one, feel free to email me, and I will be more than willing to help you figure out what you want, and point you in the right direction to find the one you can call a pet forever :)
Kentuckiana Exotics thank you for responding. It's most likely going to be a couple years at least, and i'm from the netherlands, so options might be different here. I already have an idea of what i like, though once i'm ready i'll do more research and decide what'd be best for my situation at that time. I want to give the animal i get the best life possible :)
I've been in love with snakes since i was a little girl. I could very well imagine myself getting obsessed when i start, haha.
oh it is so addicting! As for the legality in the netherlands, there will be animals that you can have for sure, but learning everything you can ahead of time is always great!
Kentuckiana Exotics oh yes, there are definately animals available here. I've already found some breeders, actually. I was thinking of starting with (a) garter snake(s), because i like their requirements and activity. I've seen mixed advise on their difficulty though. Would you think they would be okay as a first time snake? If not i might get a ball python instead.
》Tessa 《 so I grew up handling them from the wild as they are native to where I lived as a kid. They are amazing, they are very well adaptive to their environments. They are a bit more nippy, but if you were small and anything could be a predator, you would be too. The bites don't hurt, so it's kind of up to your level of comfort.
Balls are always an easy first snake though. So if you aren't sure, they could be a better introduction to snakes. Both are beautiful though, and either could make amazing pets.
The first snake is a pastel but the second is a normal..
Just a quick question. Should you unbox new snakes in your snake room or does it matter? Im new to this and would appreciate the info. Thanka and God bless.
Personally I wouldn't. You should always quaritine new snakes in a separate space from your established ones.
MeghanTheHerper Thanks Meghan
Poor babies :[ This is why I'm a little hesitant on having noodles shipped to me. I'm so scared they will arrive so cold and so stressed due to it. Luckily I have an amazing shop 20 mins from me who always has different types of breeds/morphs.
I understand well Carol. I want that shop near me too lol. I would be in there every day.
Hope they're doing well. Couldn't help but hear your cockatiel in the background (sounds like one at least). Sounds very vocal! :)
Yes, our cockatiel is a very clingy girl that doesn't like when someone isn't with her at all times lol. And they are doing much better :)
That's how my girl is! I hand raised her since her parents were plucking her and she gets mad if I leave her alone. I'm glad they're doing better!
She loves to be kissed, held, hates a cage. We clip her wings, and she loves to sit outside and feel the breeze. Her only downside is she is so reckless and has zero fear. She has jumped on the stove while I was cooking (I now have to put her in her cage to cook as she has tried more than once), she wants to explore everything. She is so cute though so it is hard to tell her no lol.
That's a cockatiel for you lol
He (Tropical Tom) has a 2017 snake listed up on MM right now. Thank you for sharing! MM doesn't allow seller reviews, but at least you can do on here. I got my first bp from Wilbanks and she is gorgeous in every way, great buying experience! How are these babies now? Did they turn out to be het pied?
So they are healthy, both are close to 1800 and 1900 grams. I haven't bred them yet, I wanted to give them extra time before their bodies went through that, to give them the best chances at remaining healthy throughout the process. So not sure about the het pied part yet. But to this day neither of them really like to be handled much, but they don't strike at me as soon as I open their tubs like they used to.
Poor snakes that’s one of the reasons I don’t get my snakes or other animals shipped
Exactly! Why would anyone think shipping an animal is a great idea?
what website did you got it
Purchased it off of morph market.