A continuously frustrating situation with the supply of incorrect plants Peter, I feel your pain. I'm fairly sure 3 or 4 of my persimmons are not what they were meant to be and pineapple guavas are even worse as they all seem to look and taste virtually identical 🙄. I fear that even a lot of citrus growers in Europe don't even know what a meiwa is, I think they just think all kumquats are the same 😤. I've not had a sudachi but fortunate that at least that turned up 👍
Yeah, it's extremely frustrating with mislabelled plants. However in this case the plant supplied was labelled differently to what I purchased. I think you are probably right, the grower probably has no idea what they were selling. Probably thinking margarita was the same as Meiwa 🙄. It does surprise me that the Meiwa is so rare and the Nagami so common in Europe, especially considering how much more people seem to prefer it. It seems in the US Meiwa is much more widely available. I guess I will have to try the Citrus Centre at some point... Yeah, the Sudachi was one I was hoping to try since it's meant to be better than the Yuzu and similar cold hardiness (of course the hardiness of those is debatable lol). Of course, there's no saying it will even turn out to be the correct variety either lol.
@@PeterEntwistle lol well I'm guessing the citrus centre has Meiwa in stock, it's just a case of sitting down before they quote a price and deciding how much you actually want one 🤪🤪🤪
@@lyonheart84 lol yeah they probably do have some for an eye-watering price tag lol 😂. Mind you this wasn't exactly cheap, making it even more frustrating. Although I'd probably have to pay at least what I paid for these 2 together for 1 from the Citrus Centre.
@@lyonheart84 And, it appears that, just before sending a plant off, they plonk it in an oversized pot full of their own brand citrus compost! I imagine it is to give the illusion that the plant is extra-large and, therefore, it justifies the price tag! This is what I discovered when I bough a Ponderosa Lemon from them. The entire rootball had been plonked into an oversized pot full of their moisture-retentive and root rot-promoting compost (it does not matter if it is citrus compost- compost of any kind is no good for potted citrus). On the same day it arrived I barerooted it and have had it growing in my aggregate mix ever since.
@@garycard1456 Yeah, I've noticed that they repot them just before sending. Both my Owari satsuma and Moro blood orange were in large (and heavy) pots with fresh compost when I received them. I haven't bare-rooted either of them though. The Owari that I've had the longest still seems pretty healthy. They do seem to do well for them at their nursery in their compost, but I guess they keep theirs in greenhouses all year.
Yeah, it's very frustrating. Getting rare citrus varieties here can be very difficult. Where did you get yours from? Hope it fruits for you next year 🤞
@@PeterEntwistle Yeah, I bet it’s hard to get them imported. I got mine from One Green World in Oregon. I live about an hour away from their nursery so I can drive in.
Thanks, Louise. Yeah, they both look very healthy, just frustrating that the wrong plant was sent. I'm not convinced they are going to get back to me now 🙄
Haha nice! You'll have to do a video of what you've got! Yeah, it is very addictive collecting them lol. I keep telling myself that's the last one, but I know there is always room for one more lol 😂
I feel your frustration. 😣 I owned Meiwa, Nagami, and Fukushu kumquat. My fav is Fukushu kumquat. It has complex taste between sour and sweet. I ended up selling my Meiwa and Nagami. You are lucky to get your hands on sudachi. I have not been able to find it locally.
Yeah, our options here are quite limited for rarer citrus. There is one nursery that has many of the rare varieties but charges a premium for them and they tend to never have anything in stock lol. The big nurseries here only import the more common types and very rarely provide variety names with them. I tried (and failed) to bypass them and go directly to a Spanish supplier which in hindsight was quite risky. I have heard of the Fukushu Kumquat but I don't know much about it, I imagine it will be impossible to source here too. I think I got lucky with the Sudachi as the UK nursery that helped me import the Kumquat was getting them in anyway.
Thanks, David! Yeah, I guess that is always a possibility, although I have my doubts especially since I've had no response back from them after almost 2 weeks, when in the past they usually got back to me within 24 hours. Both the label on the stem and the one they attached to the branches higher up state "Fortunella margarita". But I guess if I can get this to flower and hold fruits eventually we should get to see what it is 🤞
Excellent tough citrus varieties brother 💪🍊 I love Sudachi, have a few growing, they are some of my favorites trees. Got to taste some fruit this year. Delicious, but i like it sour🍋 that’s a bummer on your kumquat. Atleast what they sent is nice a full of healthy growth. Thank you for sharing your awesome new citrus additions
Thanks! Yeah, Sudachi is one I've been looking for for a while. Hoping along with my Yuzu it will make a great lemon/lime substitute that should in theory be able to survive here. Yeah, it was a bit frustrating that they sent the wrong variety of Kumquat. The seller has finally got back to me and they acknowledged the wrong plant was sent, however, I'm not sure if I'll be able to get a replacement any time soon. Hopefully, I will eventually get the correct variety 🤞
That's a real shame about the Kumquat, sorry this happened to you. The Sudachi is a great purchase and a wonderful addition to your collection. I'm looking forward to seeing how it does for you. Great that it's on Flying Dragon, you'll be able to take scions from it to graft onto regular Poncirus too. 👍🏽
Thanks, Dom. Yeah, it was very frustrating, especially after the difficulty I went through trying to get it imported. Yeah, I am glad I was able to get the Sudachi (assuming it was been correctly labelled lol). Yeah, I would definitely like to propagate from it in the future 👍
Thanks, Mike. Yeah, they were both very healthy, just frustrating that the Kumquat supplied was not the variety I was promised. The Sudachi is meant to be a very good quality fruit and as cold hardy as the Yuzu.
That's such a shame. Hope it was just a labelling issue. I'm sure the kumquat my sister has in the South of France is a Meiwa. The fruit really were so surprisingly sweet. From what I have heard, they have a hard time fruiting here, though, with our weather. Hope the suppliers get back to you.
Thanks, Dani. Yeah, that is a possibility, I guess it could be that they put the wrong labels on it, although I think it's more likely they just thought margarita meant Meiwa lol. Hopefully, I can get it to fruit and then I should be able to see what it is. Yeah, they are fairly cold-hardy (well for a citrus), but apparently, they do need a surprising amount of heat to get them to flower. I think I will have to keep it in the greenhouse all year to get the fruit to set. My other Kumquat did flower this year in the greenhouse, so hopefully this one will be able to 🤞
Thanks, G! Yeah it’s super frustrating. Also more of a pain because Nagami is quite easy to get here, but Meiwa is super rare. No one seems to sell it over here for some reason, even though many people prefer it. I was very excited when I thought I finally found a seller willing to ship it here.
Interesting just got a large Japanese bitter orange. Trifolia , my last one died of cold in the greenhouse last year. Hope you can do something about these plants. And how to grow them . Thank. Again Peter. , have a great Christmas.
Thanks, Gordon. Wow, I'm surprised a trifoliata didn't survive in a greenhouse as they are meant to be very hardy (maybe down to -20°C, although maybe less if it was a small plant). Could it not have been due to snail damage? I noticed some of my smaller ones got attacked by snails which caused them to die back. Hope you have a great Christmas too 👍
I feel ya, it's a damn pain to import plants from Europe... While I found a way to do so through Esveld & Popping Trees as the agent, the costs involved are just ludicrous. So I've been looking into simply ordering seeds & learn how to graft haha.
Hey Emil, yeah it's super frustrating. I hope things improve eventually, although it might take a while lol 😂. Yeah, I've been experimenting with grafting this year, that's the only way I was able to get my pawpaws. The issue is still finding sources for the scions you want to graft into them. Occasionally, I stumble across a seller that's willing to ship some from the EU, but of course, it is a gamble.
Thanks, Conor. Yeah, it has been very frustrating especially since it took a few months to get it all sorted. Hoping I'll eventually be able to get the right variety 🤞
I spoke to a Spanish company, but the wasabi company sorted out the handling for me. They do sell the Sudachi trees there but don’t stock kumquats normally.
Yeah, it's incredibly annoying how difficult (and expensive) it is to now legally import plants from the EU, considering how just a few years ago it was as easy as ordering from any UK nursery. I hope in the future common sense prevails and it becomes possible to import things easily again, but I'm not holding my breath...
A continuously frustrating situation with the supply of incorrect plants Peter, I feel your pain. I'm fairly sure 3 or 4 of my persimmons are not what they were meant to be and pineapple guavas are even worse as they all seem to look and taste virtually identical 🙄. I fear that even a lot of citrus growers in Europe don't even know what a meiwa is, I think they just think all kumquats are the same 😤.
I've not had a sudachi but fortunate that at least that turned up 👍
Yeah, it's extremely frustrating with mislabelled plants. However in this case the plant supplied was labelled differently to what I purchased. I think you are probably right, the grower probably has no idea what they were selling. Probably thinking margarita was the same as Meiwa 🙄. It does surprise me that the Meiwa is so rare and the Nagami so common in Europe, especially considering how much more people seem to prefer it. It seems in the US Meiwa is much more widely available. I guess I will have to try the Citrus Centre at some point...
Yeah, the Sudachi was one I was hoping to try since it's meant to be better than the Yuzu and similar cold hardiness (of course the hardiness of those is debatable lol). Of course, there's no saying it will even turn out to be the correct variety either lol.
@@PeterEntwistle lol well I'm guessing the citrus centre has Meiwa in stock, it's just a case of sitting down before they quote a price and deciding how much you actually want one 🤪🤪🤪
@@lyonheart84 lol yeah they probably do have some for an eye-watering price tag lol 😂. Mind you this wasn't exactly cheap, making it even more frustrating. Although I'd probably have to pay at least what I paid for these 2 together for 1 from the Citrus Centre.
@@lyonheart84 And, it appears that, just before sending a plant off, they plonk it in an oversized pot full of their own brand citrus compost! I imagine it is to give the illusion that the plant is extra-large and, therefore, it justifies the price tag! This is what I discovered when I bough a Ponderosa Lemon from them. The entire rootball had been plonked into an oversized pot full of their moisture-retentive and root rot-promoting compost (it does not matter if it is citrus compost- compost of any kind is no good for potted citrus). On the same day it arrived I barerooted it and have had it growing in my aggregate mix ever since.
@@garycard1456 Yeah, I've noticed that they repot them just before sending. Both my Owari satsuma and Moro blood orange were in large (and heavy) pots with fresh compost when I received them. I haven't bare-rooted either of them though. The Owari that I've had the longest still seems pretty healthy. They do seem to do well for them at their nursery in their compost, but I guess they keep theirs in greenhouses all year.
Sorry Peter that sucks! I just got my own Meiwa kumquat a couple weeks ago. I can’t wait for it to fruit.
Yeah, it's very frustrating. Getting rare citrus varieties here can be very difficult. Where did you get yours from? Hope it fruits for you next year 🤞
@@PeterEntwistle Yeah, I bet it’s hard to get them imported. I got mine from One Green World in Oregon. I live about an hour away from their nursery so I can drive in.
Sudachi is an interesting citrus. The fruit goes well with fish.
Hey Gary, yeah I believe Sudachi is popular in Japanese cuisine in fish dishes. It will be interesting to see how it compares to the Yuzu.
Nice additions to your citrus collection Peter, sorry to hear the buyer has not gotten back to you yet. Specimens look healthy.
Thanks, Louise. Yeah, they both look very healthy, just frustrating that the wrong plant was sent. I'm not convinced they are going to get back to me now 🙄
I’ve been buying citrus as well!! Haha it’s crazy how the addiction gets a hold of you. Have a great Christmas
Haha nice! You'll have to do a video of what you've got! Yeah, it is very addictive collecting them lol. I keep telling myself that's the last one, but I know there is always room for one more lol 😂
I feel your frustration. 😣
I owned Meiwa, Nagami, and Fukushu kumquat. My fav is Fukushu kumquat. It has complex taste between sour and sweet. I ended up selling my Meiwa and Nagami.
You are lucky to get your hands on sudachi. I have not been able to find it locally.
Yeah, our options here are quite limited for rarer citrus. There is one nursery that has many of the rare varieties but charges a premium for them and they tend to never have anything in stock lol. The big nurseries here only import the more common types and very rarely provide variety names with them. I tried (and failed) to bypass them and go directly to a Spanish supplier which in hindsight was quite risky.
I have heard of the Fukushu Kumquat but I don't know much about it, I imagine it will be impossible to source here too. I think I got lucky with the Sudachi as the UK nursery that helped me import the Kumquat was getting them in anyway.
Of course it may be possible that they put the wrong label on the right plant! Your collection looks amazing.
Thanks, David! Yeah, I guess that is always a possibility, although I have my doubts especially since I've had no response back from them after almost 2 weeks, when in the past they usually got back to me within 24 hours. Both the label on the stem and the one they attached to the branches higher up state "Fortunella margarita". But I guess if I can get this to flower and hold fruits eventually we should get to see what it is 🤞
Excellent tough citrus varieties brother 💪🍊 I love Sudachi, have a few growing, they are some of my favorites trees. Got to taste some fruit this year. Delicious, but i like it sour🍋 that’s a bummer on your kumquat. Atleast what they sent is nice a full of healthy growth. Thank you for sharing your awesome new citrus additions
Thanks! Yeah, Sudachi is one I've been looking for for a while. Hoping along with my Yuzu it will make a great lemon/lime substitute that should in theory be able to survive here. Yeah, it was a bit frustrating that they sent the wrong variety of Kumquat. The seller has finally got back to me and they acknowledged the wrong plant was sent, however, I'm not sure if I'll be able to get a replacement any time soon. Hopefully, I will eventually get the correct variety 🤞
That's a real shame about the Kumquat, sorry this happened to you.
The Sudachi is a great purchase and a wonderful addition to your collection. I'm looking forward to seeing how it does for you. Great that it's on Flying Dragon, you'll be able to take scions from it to graft onto regular Poncirus too. 👍🏽
Thanks, Dom. Yeah, it was very frustrating, especially after the difficulty I went through trying to get it imported.
Yeah, I am glad I was able to get the Sudachi (assuming it was been correctly labelled lol). Yeah, I would definitely like to propagate from it in the future 👍
Love the plants and interested on what you say about the Sudachi Peter.
Thanks, Mike. Yeah, they were both very healthy, just frustrating that the Kumquat supplied was not the variety I was promised. The Sudachi is meant to be a very good quality fruit and as cold hardy as the Yuzu.
That's such a shame. Hope it was just a labelling issue. I'm sure the kumquat my sister has in the South of France is a Meiwa. The fruit really were so surprisingly sweet. From what I have heard, they have a hard time fruiting here, though, with our weather. Hope the suppliers get back to you.
Thanks, Dani. Yeah, that is a possibility, I guess it could be that they put the wrong labels on it, although I think it's more likely they just thought margarita meant Meiwa lol. Hopefully, I can get it to fruit and then I should be able to see what it is. Yeah, they are fairly cold-hardy (well for a citrus), but apparently, they do need a surprising amount of heat to get them to flower. I think I will have to keep it in the greenhouse all year to get the fruit to set. My other Kumquat did flower this year in the greenhouse, so hopefully this one will be able to 🤞
I like Meiwa a lot better than Nagami too. It's such a hassle when you get shipped the wrong plant.
Thanks, G! Yeah it’s super frustrating. Also more of a pain because Nagami is quite easy to get here, but Meiwa is super rare. No one seems to sell it over here for some reason, even though many people prefer it. I was very excited when I thought I finally found a seller willing to ship it here.
Interesting just got a large Japanese bitter orange. Trifolia , my last one died of cold in the greenhouse last year. Hope you can do something about these plants. And how to grow them . Thank. Again Peter. , have a great Christmas.
Thanks, Gordon. Wow, I'm surprised a trifoliata didn't survive in a greenhouse as they are meant to be very hardy (maybe down to -20°C, although maybe less if it was a small plant). Could it not have been due to snail damage? I noticed some of my smaller ones got attacked by snails which caused them to die back. Hope you have a great Christmas too 👍
@@PeterEntwistle cheers
Hopefully you get an answer about the kumquat. Keep us posted.
Thank you! Yeah, I'm hoping they get back to me, although I might have to wait until after the New Year now.
I feel ya, it's a damn pain to import plants from Europe... While I found a way to do so through Esveld & Popping Trees as the agent, the costs involved are just ludicrous. So I've been looking into simply ordering seeds & learn how to graft haha.
Hey Emil, yeah it's super frustrating. I hope things improve eventually, although it might take a while lol 😂. Yeah, I've been experimenting with grafting this year, that's the only way I was able to get my pawpaws. The issue is still finding sources for the scions you want to graft into them. Occasionally, I stumble across a seller that's willing to ship some from the EU, but of course, it is a gamble.
Must be frustrating to go through the import process and still get the wrong plant.
Thanks, Conor. Yeah, it has been very frustrating especially since it took a few months to get it all sorted. Hoping I'll eventually be able to get the right variety 🤞
Where did you bought them mate?
I spoke to a Spanish company, but the wasabi company sorted out the handling for me. They do sell the Sudachi trees there but don’t stock kumquats normally.
The joys of no longer having free trade with theEuropeanMainland 🙄
Yeah, it's incredibly annoying how difficult (and expensive) it is to now legally import plants from the EU, considering how just a few years ago it was as easy as ordering from any UK nursery. I hope in the future common sense prevails and it becomes possible to import things easily again, but I'm not holding my breath...
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