It's actually wild how much of a noticable difference there is between the movement and aim between the console and pc players. The pc players just have so much flexibility compared to the console players. Console can't get anywhere near as fast the inputs that pc gets.
This also tells you how players using M&K on console literally destroyed the quality of the game. It took them nearly 9 years to address this issue in console R6.
Well yeah. The Way M&K is designed makes PC far easier to use. PC, you're using your entire arm over a flat plane. Point and click. On controller, you're using just your thumb on a 3D sphere
I wouls guess the reason pro teams might want to avoid 16yr players is if they travel internationally for tournaments it is harder liabilty wise for minors vs adults. After speaking to a friend he reminded me that in anywhere other than the US, Siege is rated Pegi 18+ so players have to be 18 to play officially.
@@PrimalStunt Didn't say he was bad but I don't watch him. I only see him from VG's vids and from my perspective he's just one of the funny friends. So i'm surprised he's actually a champ
22:30 Yes, console has a built in system that makes recoil easier on FPS games. I run angled grip on many weapons including lmgs, bosg, so it doesn't take a year to reload.
I still see Varsity confused about how Tubarao works, it freezes the batteries and claws while affected by the canister but doesn't turn them off, meaning, as soon as the Thatcher effect passes, they will INSTANTLY turn on, burning anything on the wall, that's why tricking with tubby is super easy
I think there's more going on. The Kaid claw is placed high up on the wall, and Tubarao's zoto canister was placed on the floor, covering the Thermite but not reaching the claw, guaranteeing the Thermite is destroyed.
Doesn't matter, works the same with Claws and batteries, so even if he froze the claw, as soon as the Zoto is done, the claw will immediately turn on, it literally doesn't matter. It only matters if they haven't activated the thermite charges becauW then thermite just removes the charge preventing the burn, but thats one of the niche scenarios
@tomandoagua5890 It does matter. If a shock wire or claw is frozen, it takes time to reactivate after thawing while the attacker gadgets are instantaneous. If a Thermite reaches halfway before it's frozen, it will still detonate because of the reactivation delay.
You can see a clear difference in not just mechanical skill, but game sense and awareness between PC players and Console players. Since there's so much more flexibility on PC, it's much harder to actually clear positions and deal with utility/roamers due to utility being easier to use on PC. This builds much harder-to-beat awareness due to mechanical skill on console being limited by hardware. TL;DR Console < PC due to hardware limitations building poorer game sense.
@@TheTbss89 rection time slowing down really only happens when you're way older like 40. people tend to get worse at stuff like this because they just stop caring
The only way for controller to compete against M&K in a first person shooter game is to have aim assist, and even with aim assist some games like CS and Siege would be tough for controller because movement and ability to flick is much easier on M&K.
Nah, you get some nasty flicks on console. The problem here is that this is a poor showing of console, for champs they're playing like my lobbies full of silvers.
Should have got Roy and Evan to cast the game too, them 2 used to be console diamonds being switching to pc. They prob can give some insights for the console plays
With console and pc being able to plat with one another, is there anything that ever messes up? Like are there any latency bugs between platforms or movement bugs with consle beign able to slow walk?
The walking with controller in my experience (played for like 20 minutes with some of my buddies) is way more free than with mnk. Like with mnk you hahe either 100%, 50% or 0% movement, with joystick that changes it to where you can go at a snails pace while standing up, and making almost no noise.
@@BajoniGoblin254you can tap your keys to move slow , joystick has maybe that advantage but still if you have good ears , even small movements are easily heard so that doesn’t really matter tbh
@@spacetato1856Nope not on console. I could be prone and move slow enough with my joystick that I make literally 0 sound lol, even have a clip of me doing it saying “They don’t know I’m a snake” 😂😂 but that’s about the only advantage we have plus the easier recoil control lol
@@Silento-yw4hw if you think someone has to be "better than pros" to be better than stompn you think stompn is "better than pros" how tf do you not understand that you wrote the mf thing
As some1 who’s played both platforms on siege and other games and prefers pc it’s honestly nice but at the same time not fair in lots of ways to have crossplay. I love the concept I think it should just be allowed to turn off on all platforms and not just for console players. Yes pc has its advantages but so does console and yes the list for console is nothing close to the list for pc but any platform you play on you can compete with every1 just some matches will be harder than others and that has to do with a mix of reasons for that from skill to just flat out right the limits of an input device. This game will never be balanced for all platforms it’s just not physically possible while keeping the game the same concept/play style of game
Why are the emeralds and diamonds I play endlessly better than those Xbox champ scrubs. After the first round, they were quaking in their damn boots the whole time.
I think this needs a rerun, 2 bugs cost console on 2nd map and they wrrent playing like champs at all. The knobs i play with in silver are about the same level, embarrassing display.
Hey varsity, I filled out a form and I would love to be in one of the videos or your copper video, I haven’t gotten out of copper till this season in which playing console lobbies I’m bronze 1 or something close and in pc I’m gold 5, other than that I’ve never played enough to get out of copper b4
Everyone in the comments is like "Console sucks! PC golds are better than console champs!" So we're just gonna forget the inherent advantage PC players have in terms of recoil control AND maneuverability?! (This is coming from someone, by the way, who is fully aware that some console champs are not on par with PC champs)
@@PerplexdPumpkinThe reason console recoil is lower is because it's harder to control recoil on controller than it is on a mouse and keyboard. That's why PC has an innate advantage: it's easier to control recoil, no matter how much there is (which is also why xim was such a huge problem before this new season started)
I think that's why people are assuming PC will win. (the recoil thing is wrong, but I'm assuming you just meant precision aim, because console doesn't have recoil, like less than year 1 PC did) Like, how is it wrong to assume a platform that you seem to agree has a higher skill ceiling would lose to console? Its why I don't like any conversation comparing PC and console. Edit: PC won so handily, I think that shows why people assume console is worse. Sure, its anecdotal until we have a large enough pool for variables to be weeded out of the statistics, but we'll never get that. These players should all be equal, but PC walked through two straight matches. Thats all the proof I need that console is just worse. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying the players are worse, I think CONSOLES in general are worse for FPS and that any console champ could become even better on MnK. (Not all console players but champs/diamond have the knowledge and game sense that with some practice on MnK they'd be great)
It's like women vs men in sportsif this offends you, it's a joke... I think it's still close between console and pc on avg. keep in mind that these players are champs. I think it comes down to map knowledge and predicting common paths and angles. plus, bring back free speech in chat. we have mute button technology now... if someone talks trash, just remind them, they in the same rank with you.
@@Krackel3434You're actually stupid if you're calling Adept an "average PC champ". They straight up said (with a slight touch of sarcasm) "Sign this kid up"
@@Krackel3434You're actually stupid if you're calling Adept an "average PC champ" when he is a top 300 with a 1.4 KD. That's like saying Stompn is an "average console champ" when he's sitting in the top 10 slots on console.
Adept would really get out of kindergarten just to come home and use Jager acog
LMFAO yea 1st grade
It's actually wild how much of a noticable difference there is between the movement and aim between the console and pc players. The pc players just have so much flexibility compared to the console players. Console can't get anywhere near as fast the inputs that pc gets.
Of course, unless they use gyro controls.
Yeah obviously, that's a big reason they're separate.
This also tells you how players using M&K on console literally destroyed the quality of the game. It took them nearly 9 years to address this issue in console R6.
Well yeah. The Way M&K is designed makes PC far easier to use. PC, you're using your entire arm over a flat plane. Point and click. On controller, you're using just your thumb on a 3D sphere
@@muhammadammarrasyid5780 Are there many games that use gyro? I just found out about gyro controls but Im not on consoles
randoms on console have terrible chem, we dont have push to talk so everyone is always muted or spewing hatred to their teammates.
same on pc but probably not as much likely if u know what i mean
My headphones have an easy way to mute on them, it's super nice for playing console (you can fold the mic up)
ps5 controller has push to mute
I played a pc champ in my first pc game while on console. I could tell immediately that the difference is insane, everything was so quick, so precise.
this was so fun to play, thanks for the opportunity. GGs
I wouls guess the reason pro teams might want to avoid 16yr players is if they travel internationally for tournaments it is harder liabilty wise for minors vs adults. After speaking to a friend he reminded me that in anywhere other than the US, Siege is rated Pegi 18+ so players have to be 18 to play officially.
Siege at 6 years old is crazy. Fair plays to Adept though, he is cracked.
Vardiddy got way too excited when he heard the kid was 14
@@xavbags6511 train them at a young age and they become pro basically
The only thing that surprises me here is the fact that Cross is champ
Cross is not a bad player.
Cross is a professional 0.9KD champ
@@VarsityGaming i'm 0.97KD copper 🤔 this good or bad
@@Nestosixyou could easily beat varsity and cross
@@PrimalStunt Didn't say he was bad but I don't watch him. I only see him from VG's vids and from my perspective he's just one of the funny friends. So i'm surprised he's actually a champ
22:30 Yes, console has a built in system that makes recoil easier on FPS games. I run angled grip on many weapons including lmgs, bosg, so it doesn't take a year to reload.
Objectively false
@piupolino2618 It's fact.
@@piupolino2618 console has less recoil womp womp
I still see Varsity confused about how Tubarao works, it freezes the batteries and claws while affected by the canister but doesn't turn them off, meaning, as soon as the Thatcher effect passes, they will INSTANTLY turn on, burning anything on the wall, that's why tricking with tubby is super easy
I think there's more going on. The Kaid claw is placed high up on the wall, and Tubarao's zoto canister was placed on the floor, covering the Thermite but not reaching the claw, guaranteeing the Thermite is destroyed.
Doesn't matter, works the same with Claws and batteries, so even if he froze the claw, as soon as the Zoto is done, the claw will immediately turn on, it literally doesn't matter. It only matters if they haven't activated the thermite charges becauW then thermite just removes the charge preventing the burn, but thats one of the niche scenarios
@tomandoagua5890 It does matter. If a shock wire or claw is frozen, it takes time to reactivate after thawing while the attacker gadgets are instantaneous. If a Thermite reaches halfway before it's frozen, it will still detonate because of the reactivation delay.
@@grovePS3 its half a second, unless the Tubarao is super slow, it doesn't matter.
@@tomandoagua5890 You're completely wrong. Defender gadget reactivation is roughly 1.5 seconds, maybe slightly under.
You can see a clear difference in not just mechanical skill, but game sense and awareness between PC players and Console players.
Since there's so much more flexibility on PC, it's much harder to actually clear positions and deal with utility/roamers due to utility being easier to use on PC. This builds much harder-to-beat awareness due to mechanical skill on console being limited by hardware.
TL;DR Console < PC due to hardware limitations building poorer game sense.
Lesion shotgun 1taps within 6 feet if you ads now.
I already know who won before clicking on this video.
Typical pc fanboy. Probably steady riding copper though.
@@patrickmccurry5445 I haven’t played in years.
I want what your smoking lmao @@patrickmccurry5445
considering most console shooters have built-in aimbot in order to be playable, who would've guessed lol
@@patrickmccurry5445 good one burger
I've been so excited about this ever since you mentioned it
Great content as always
10:12 at 9 I had an Nes and an Snes, it
Has faded into Irrelevance 😭
The nate guy going 0-6 first map has to go
Having adept on the pc team feels like cheating lol. Kid is nuts
Is that the 14 year old? Or who they talking about
@@TheTbss89 yes Adept is the 14 year old. Kid be playing siege most of his entire existence.
@ yea his 14 so his eyes are still good wait until his older and he has slow reaction time
@@TheTbss89 rection time slowing down really only happens when you're way older like 40.
people tend to get worse at stuff like this because they just stop caring
lmfao, preciate it
2:49 i can see all chat on console, but only type in team chat. I'm on xbox.
Team chat, not all chat
@PerplexdPumpkin i edited for correction
I can't even type like I know how you would do it but I can't do it, what witch craft are you performing
So we in champion💀💀💀
Varsity, the new drift mechanic for drone is a learning curve but its very smooth on console and id even say stylish😂
Someone call stompin we need a re-run 😂
I love this idea so much! I’m like a console silver gold so I can’t wait to see that match up
The only way for controller to compete against M&K in a first person shooter game is to have aim assist, and even with aim assist some games like CS and Siege would be tough for controller because movement and ability to flick is much easier on M&K.
Nah, you get some nasty flicks on console. The problem here is that this is a poor showing of console, for champs they're playing like my lobbies full of silvers.
NO WAY CHARLIE IS IN THIS 😭😭😭🐐
Who is Charlie?
Squirtonator
@@TheTbss89 Squirtonator
Chesterfield
I miss his voice
Should have got Roy and Evan to cast the game too, them 2 used to be console diamonds being switching to pc. They prob can give some insights for the console plays
This is such a good content, please do it more often
With console and pc being able to plat with one another, is there anything that ever messes up? Like are there any latency bugs between platforms or movement bugs with consle beign able to slow walk?
The walking with controller in my experience (played for like 20 minutes with some of my buddies) is way more free than with mnk. Like with mnk you hahe either 100%, 50% or 0% movement, with joystick that changes it to where you can go at a snails pace while standing up, and making almost no noise.
@@BajoniGoblin254you can tap your keys to move slow , joystick has maybe that advantage but still if you have good ears , even small movements are easily heard so that doesn’t really matter tbh
@@spacetato1856Nope not on console. I could be prone and move slow enough with my joystick that I make literally 0 sound lol, even have a clip of me doing it saying “They don’t know I’m a snake” 😂😂 but that’s about the only advantage we have plus the easier recoil control lol
Your recommendation for opps to play Is
helping really good
i can already tell this isnt going to be fair your need PC Emeralds vs concole champs
Hamcheese is so underrated he's such a good person and really fucking good at siege
observation blockers on club rafters would counter my garage drone since i place it right by the default cam
8:20 we got stompn at home
Charlie CARRIED?????
(Last time I checked he was 13 and #3 champ on console)
Should’ve had STOMPN
He wouldn't agree to this his ego would never be the same 😂
@@Cat0nCraxk unless you think these players are better then pros he would’ve ran ts☠️
@@Silento-yw4hw stompn is NOT a pro 😭 all that jynxzi content got to your brain. He barely makes champ on PC Adept would butter his biscuits in this
@ when did I say he was a pro?
@@Silento-yw4hw if you think someone has to be "better than pros" to be better than stompn you think stompn is "better than pros" how tf do you not understand that you wrote the mf thing
At 6 I was playing with my Gameboy Color and Sega... I feel old af now
Soon as I saw ktt on the console team I already knew the outcome
no way squeaker charlie has made it onto your yt channel 🤣
That’s a sick charm adept has
Would be fun to try a tournament against other crappy players such as myself, I hope to get picked!
now put stompin and spoit in
Adept would violate stompn ngl
when in spectator mode use the top down view to get all of the action
Unfortunately top down view is more difficult to use and clunky on MnK. Next time I may try using the controller.
Adept was not needed
Why are you called vardiddy?
Copper vs Copper, I could apply and Play for the PC team since I only played PC for like a month a few years back
Honest guess @1:34 on the match. Console all around
Am I miss-remembering, but if your on pc lobby, siege said you have pc recoil regardless if your on controller.
No, only xim users have PC recoil. Controller users still have controller recoil
@ Thanks for the info. I play controller, so I guess I’ll resubscribe to ps+ and do cross-play so I can get back to gold at least
Maybe not. I forgot I’d lose call outs
As some1 who’s played both platforms on siege and other games and prefers pc it’s honestly nice but at the same time not fair in lots of ways to have crossplay. I love the concept I think it should just be allowed to turn off on all platforms and not just for console players. Yes pc has its advantages but so does console and yes the list for console is nothing close to the list for pc but any platform you play on you can compete with every1 just some matches will be harder than others and that has to do with a mix of reasons for that from skill to just flat out right the limits of an input device. This game will never be balanced for all platforms it’s just not physically possible while keeping the game the same concept/play style of game
Been playing siege since I was 9. Gonna graduate from high school this summer…
the question is how far of a rank difference it is when console champs win against pc players
i was playing cod at 6 tbf lmao, wasn't online just w@w story mode but still, playing r6 at 6 years old doesn't seem that extreme
MY KING NATE
You can toggle cronus and adjust the codes to where you can have negative recoil or just a little recoil
Lesion+shotgun is op on console dont need to aim half of the time
The six12 slaps on console in high ranks
46 minute video hmmmmm, gonna go out on a limb and say it was a quick 2-0 for pc
Playing Siege since youre 6 is wild, what happened to watching cartoons and doing kid stuff man 😭
Bro Charlie!!!!!
Console Gold ready in wait
As an unranked can i apply for the copper lol
Observation blockers are amazing. In front of alibis, or to protect other utilities from bravas, as well as to just obstruct long lines for drones..
Why are the emeralds and diamonds I play endlessly better than those Xbox champ scrubs. After the first round, they were quaking in their damn boots the whole time.
“Quaking in their damn boots” speak like an actual person bro
@ get out more
I think this needs a rerun, 2 bugs cost console on 2nd map and they wrrent playing like champs at all. The knobs i play with in silver are about the same level, embarrassing display.
Jynxi vs varsity......1v1
Varsity would butter his biscuits ngl
Hey varsity, I filled out a form and I would love to be in one of the videos or your copper video, I haven’t gotten out of copper till this season in which playing console lobbies I’m bronze 1 or something close and in pc I’m gold 5, other than that I’ve never played enough to get out of copper b4
yoo i just sign for copper les go
I can do copper for either side lmao
idk who the console guys are and why is royal penguin there!
Is there any console cheaters with XIM in these matches?
Yo am I the only one who had cod3 at 4yrs old?????
PC players GIGACHAD
jager does not have barb
Console can’t hear or type to anyone other than other console players.
I think gold console players would have a good chance
excited
Day 135 of asking you to oil yourself up
When will console players learn
As a diamond console player, these guys look “slow” and very average.
CHARLIEWORLEY4????
get this 14 year old ona a team
You can just tell he is just a little kid who yaps after every single round lol
Why is Xbox peeking pc players knowing they down ppl and skill like wth am I watching get real champs for Xbox bro
My kids watch me play siege, they're 3-8
January the 4th is my birthday
yay
its easy to see that adept is a kid the only one in the game that trash talking like its not even rank what do he sit and cry over
Day 2 of asking for a 1v1
random console players with zero chemistry vs experienced pc players should’ve been the title
The console stack was a group that knows each other and plays together. The PC stack was a mish mash of available people. Nice coping though
@@VarsityGamingdamn you ratio him pretty good there
Btw not sarcasm
Recoil I not lower on console, it is easier to control
Everyone in the comments is like "Console sucks! PC golds are better than console champs!"
So we're just gonna forget the inherent advantage PC players have in terms of recoil control AND maneuverability?! (This is coming from someone, by the way, who is fully aware that some console champs are not on par with PC champs)
Console has better movement (aside from leaning), and essentially zero recoil it more or less evens out with a slight bias towards console imo
@@PerplexdPumpkinThe reason console recoil is lower is because it's harder to control recoil on controller than it is on a mouse and keyboard. That's why PC has an innate advantage: it's easier to control recoil, no matter how much there is (which is also why xim was such a huge problem before this new season started)
I think that's why people are assuming PC will win. (the recoil thing is wrong, but I'm assuming you just meant precision aim, because console doesn't have recoil, like less than year 1 PC did) Like, how is it wrong to assume a platform that you seem to agree has a higher skill ceiling would lose to console? Its why I don't like any conversation comparing PC and console.
Edit: PC won so handily, I think that shows why people assume console is worse. Sure, its anecdotal until we have a large enough pool for variables to be weeded out of the statistics, but we'll never get that. These players should all be equal, but PC walked through two straight matches. Thats all the proof I need that console is just worse. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying the players are worse, I think CONSOLES in general are worse for FPS and that any console champ could become even better on MnK. (Not all console players but champs/diamond have the knowledge and game sense that with some practice on MnK they'd be great)
It's like women vs men in sportsif this offends you, it's a joke... I think it's still close between console and pc on avg. keep in mind that these players are champs. I think it comes down to map knowledge and predicting common paths and angles. plus, bring back free speech in chat. we have mute button technology now... if someone talks trash, just remind them, they in the same rank with you.
first
Point proven. Console champs couldn’t hold a pc golds jockstrap lol
If you seriously believe that ALL console champs are that bad, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you 😂😂😂
Did you watch the video? The champs got absolutely destroyed by average pc champs
@@Krackel3434You're actually stupid if you're calling Adept an "average PC champ". They straight up said (with a slight touch of sarcasm) "Sign this kid up"
@@Krackel3434You're actually stupid if you're calling Adept an "average PC champ" when he is a top 300 with a 1.4 KD. That's like saying Stompn is an "average console champ" when he's sitting in the top 10 slots on console.
@@anthonyjamesdavila5359as a PC diamond I can say I've never met or seen a console champ stack that could beat mine
Console Champs = MnK or cronus User. Thats Not Skill... So you Play PC vs PC at all haha
98 views in 3 minutes bro fell off
Wow such an original comment
it's so obvious PC is going to win😂😂😂😂
Haven't seen the video yet but gonna guess PC champs win by 3+
Yup figured
The loser on PC who was salty about dying to lesion and immediately had to shit talk
Adept was the best one there, he's right that shotgun is complete b.s