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- I feel like I can't make these types of videos enough. Hopefully one day people will stop assuming the game is as one-sided as people have made it out to be.
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I feel like raiders only have the advantage when it's solo queue (and even then it's not too big of one,) since it's harder for people to coordinate, though it evens out pretty well if all of the survivors are competent. But when premades are brought into the mix, the raider struggles HARD. Even the outliers of Super Buu and Great Ape Vegeta still have to be earned through the difficulties of their previous levels.
Absolutely, raiders get ass-gaped when put up against premades/groups. There is a stark difference of effort whenever I play against them than solo queues. SURVIVORS ARE OP, CHANGE MY MIND.
The most ironic in all of this is that the only time that every Survivor are competent, it's always when you fight against them.
Fax. My last 4 raider games have been premades and it just feels like a waste of time.
@@BlueRainbowSky66I swear!
True , today exactly happened like what you have said , most of us were between 60+ and 100+ lvl and one of us is 200 , the raider was cell lvl 2 and he killed us all because it was solo , later we faced him again and we worked together and won the match easily .
The only thing I’m annoyed about raider is the ki blasts other than that I think we should have raider perks that every raider can have like to stop dragon balls getting collected like the first match maybe a raider can start with a dragonball
Edit: I understand why my boi iron is mad about losing as raider because it can take forever to get a game in which you are raider.
I'm still cool with implementing some sort of overheat system when it comes to ki blasts or even a ki bar
The overheat system would be ideal, honestly. Because of how fast games are going, having to stop and charge seems like a good way to slow raiders down even more. At least with an overheat bar, you can strategically use it depending on the situation you are in
Oh my god that dragon ball perk sounds perfect. Considering my raider strategy regarding them isn’t necessarily “get the wish” more like “don’t let those cheating bastards have it”.
@@ironcane that actually does sound like agood thing to implement
For me Breakers is mostly RNG based most of the time it's either the survivor who stomp the raider by finding all the key in 2-3 min and the raider find next to no civ and survivor or the raider find 7 civ in 2 min and is already lv 3. But most of the time is the survivor who got an edge with their numbers and skills they have and the higher global level become harder and harder for the raider to fight against the survivor. And Raiders got no new skill and diversity you know what to expect against a raider while survivor always got something new during each seasons meaning that it's the raider to adapt to the change.
I think there’s a reason why we haven’t sent the Pie chart for this game since last season. It’s probably crazy now 🤣 Raiders definitely need some love.
Raider has to be lucky that's all there is to it there's too many skills that help the survivors win they need the buff all the raiders speed and damage
Seemed like one of those matches where rng is heavily skewed in favor of the survivors. Iron did everything he possibly could in that match imo, just unlucky.
I can really see why many raiders have trouble winning but I feel like it really depends on who your playing with plus on how smart both survivor's and raider play [tho it just my opinion]
ofc, but that's my point. It's not as black and white that people make it.
what you said about feeling like the survivor is facts lmao. Bro when my enemies are a premade with barrier IT, keyrush the fuck out of me, jump me 5 at a time and i be thinking "damn and im playing as the villain here?". The survivors are the truly evil ones im telling you
I had games where the entire force dies
It legitimately does not matter
As long as they have a level 4 and continuously replenishing the dragon change the raider will die with all 4 lives gone
Just lost 3 Cell games in a row because of people using barrier and IT to escape and steal the dragon balls, started to think they were premades cuz my prio was only at 3 every match. Even my 4th game (W) was on prio 3.
I was actually rewatching this match cracking up over and over. You were so happy to be the ginyu force again just to get fucked over and violated and get into a massive ass rant as chat provokes u😂
I really thought I was gonna do something lol
every raider match I get when my priority is lower than 4:
Hey man, I'm glad you're bringing awareness to this, this happened to me as 2nd form Buu the other day, I got raped and didn't even get to play a real match as Raider if anything the survivors were controlling the entire match. Then it happened again when I started trying Vegeta. I think the recent buffs to skill is partly to blame but not the whole reason, the problem is the survivors pre-mading and having proper communications, and assigning each other specific task's so they can maximize their win chance. It's really busted how effective it is though and maybe something should be done.
I don't mean to be a jerk, but you think by watching and playing the game this would be obvious. Unfortunately this part of the game is never talked about
@@ironcane Uhh, didn't you understand what I meant?
? I'm agreeing with you lol I'm saying how can't people see that raiders are clearly not op
@@ironcane Ohhh, when you said you don't mean to be a jerk and how I'd think by watching and playing made me think you were trying to inform me of it like I didn't know, sorry.
I mean, that's been my luck with raiders. Competent players always Seem to overpower me. It makes me wonder why they can't be confident all the time.
This happened to me once when I started playing raider cell just to complete some weekly missions. I got to level 2 and got 1 dragon ball. Anyway I blasted one person that came into the area I was in, inside gero lab, suddenly some rockets hit me from the back making me drop the dragon ball. When I tried to pick it up, a shoe hit me! I used afterimage, but the person used energy field and instant transmission to get away. I used the dragon radar to find him, but couldn't get to the survivor because to of his teammates blocked my path while he was summoning. Gg
You should have used ki sense to track the IT. You might still have lost, but you should have.
@@KopperNeoman This all happened before the ki sense buff, but I suppose if I timed it correctly it would have helped and maybe sneak around on the ground.
Fucking premades. I feel your pain bro.
It feels like db the breakers fell into the same trap dbd did. They over tuned things for the survivors (for the solo Q experience) and what that did is make team play OP.
As is a team all talking together can stomp raiders.
100% accurate my only scares right now is how Bandai will handle that situation with balance over all.
Raiders are strong but there nothing compared to survivors who know what there doing. I've seen some damn good raiders get cooked by just the lvl 4, and if that can happen, imagine having 6 lvl 3s backing you up, yea raiders op alright. Well said cane
I feel like a lot of the survivor abilities lately have been balanced around solo queue, not so much groups. Because a lot of abilities can be nuts when stacked.
And yet people want more solo queue specific buffs
I feel game shouldnt be balanced around having a group of people to play with. Its better that its balanced around solo queue because it makes the game less reliant on your team mates. Needing friends to have fun in a game is a lot to ask for when most people would rather play a better multiplayer game thats free like fortnite. I love this game and i dont wanna see the community dwindle into only being premades like league of legends lol
@@SunlightAldo (my personal wish is to have premades reduced to 4 or so. If you want to play with all 7, go play private matches...)
You don't need premades to win though. Players with good game sense and a little bit of good rng sometimes is all you need
@@ironcane yeah i agree. Im just saying its better like this then the alternative of needing friends to play with. I think the game is far more balanced then it was 1 patch ago although i agree some buffs are ridiculous with a team. They kinda over buffed survivors and i would agree if they reeled some abilities back in with higher cooldowns
This video is literally book vs. movie "Harry Potter did you put your name in the goblet of fire," Dumbledore asked calmly... but Ironcane is doing both interpretations.
when things are that sweaty I go into "fast game mode" where I make sure to rush the STM, down by STM, and ignore D-changes because if they're not trying to have fun neither will I.
Glad ginyu exists for premades tbh. The constant lack of raider variety is their own punishment for cheesing
Am I a lunatic or it would be OK for me to revert all damage nerfs to the raiders and let them be like S1, power wise??
That’s why I’m completely merciless in my games until one survivor, and take feeders. I need all the help I can get, and I’m just depriving myself of a free energy. Me not taking the feeder doesn’t mean the survivors are going to go easier on me.
You know what I am glad that you rage sometimes. I feel the same way when I get jumped really bad as cell. Show that Tru gamer feeling instead of being fake like some others do
I wish the game would at least have an option to have match making without teams. So many Raider matches end in a loss because you have people in groups ready hunt for the dragon balls within the first 2 minutes of a match and instantly win
Raiders have fallen off. Surviors only need to keyrush to win and you can't even stop it anymore.
I feel these games demonstrate how unforgiving it is for a raider to get bad RNG or struggle to find civves in general. Nor does it help when survivors have so many options to just go 'peace dude' and escape when raiders try to hun t them down. They can be screwed so easily if survivors play it right.
When survivors work together they usually win. Solo que is tough when your team is less than level 100. As raiderfighting people above 100 is absolutely nightmarish.
I think luck plays a part in it on both sides, but knowing what to do matters just as much. A raider that's experienced can get bad luck (no civilians, no dragon radar, etc) and not make to the end if they are up against survivors that have change power all around and know what they're doing or of they're premades.
On the other hand, survivors can also be unlucky in their own ways. Or they can have all of those tools but not use them in ways that will get them to victory. There can be games where survivors have the change power, but don't fight the raider, games where the raider takes down survivors one by one slowly, games where the raider will camp one area and survivors won't have the change power to distract the raider and plant the power key (unless they have time patroller's duty, which I think this is what the devs we're going for in terms of the final key) or if most people are playing ETM.
If the raider and survivors both give it their all in a match, then I think it would either conclude with close quarters combat with eigher the survivors or raider winning or luck on one side and not the other.
I also think it sometimes depends on who's the raider. I say sometimes because even a Cell raider can get lucky. In my experience, I don't win games with Cell anymore because he's just easy to overwhelm these days with how much the survivors have in their builds. Ginyu Force at level 3 or higher have several help mechanics along with an evasive.
Overall, I think it goes both ways which depend on both knowledge of the game and luck
I would have taken advantage and destroyed the STM, since lv4 wouldn't want to hit you.
But I understand, you don't want the game to end quickly because it takes a long time to play Raider again.
Bro I picked the Ginyu Force to win lol if I coulda destroyed the stm I would've I couldn't. I wasn't trying to drag the game out I wanted to win
The biggest thing that makes survivors overpowered is that vanish maneuver. They can pretty much spam it to dodge indefinitely and become nigh untouchable. Stack the passive skill unconscious control and a level 4 wish on top and the raider may as well turn the game off.
They need to nerf that so dodging repeatedly costs limit (even as Level 4).
Nah I just think it’s just luck as raider and suvivor and little skill but mostly luck🤕
This is my (hopefully) constructive criticism for this 1st match specifically and isn't meant to be taken as a "Get good" or "Raiders OP":
1. You did not explore the map as much as you could have. You remained in A-E-X for most of the match and that resulted in finding less civis due to your spawn.
2. You tunneled too hard and got distracted as a result and wasted time. It would have better to just let them get away and find civis since they can just hold you for as long as they could.
3. Since you're playing as Ginyu, you should have taken a tactical death and let Guldo die so you can get Recoome. You were screwed over by being unable to level up early which they took advantage of. It is better to take the L as Guldo to allow yourself a better chance as Recoome.
4. Once they got the wish, you allowed the level 4 to distract you when it would be better to ignore them for as long as possible while you try to take out the others who lost their D-Change or go after STM if possible.
5. You're 1-v-1 here was great and I think that the only improvement I can think of is your need to improve your Vanish Counter (the one where you attack right as they vanish and you hit them before they hit you).
I think your biggest issue as Raider, from what I've seen from watching you for so long, is that you are easily distracted with trying to get Survivor downs which often causes you to lose time. While, of course, the sweats are a problem, you often allow yourself to fall for their distraction.
Fair enough and I appreciate the advice, however the intent of this video was to show that raiders aren't these unstoppable forces of nature that win by the click of a button
It's all depends on the player who control the Raider. There are some Raider players who are almost never losing even when I meet them with premades. I can beat Raider 8/10 times with my group, but then we meet That One Raider who beats us.. and it's always him who beats us 9/10 times. So, it clearly shows that Raiders are OP but only in the right hands.
If raiders were truly op it wouldn't matter whose hands they were in. What you're describing is people that are really good at raider giving you trouble which is how the game should work
one of the two dislikes must be from Mental
People will look at this tho and say this game(s) are a rare case or this is user error or something. It depends on a person mentality on whether they want to fight or not.
Like if you put I say minimum of 10 hours of play time strictly going for the win unless you have no other option. You’ll see that raiders are not OP.
Simple formula for a survivor regardless of kit
Mobility+D change+escape before d change runs out= win
Shit you could escape after when you have enough experience. I’m ranting at the point ✌️
I can't believe they added a laugh track to The Breakers
It's easy to get annoyed when you play against a decent survivors. Typically from the start of the game's release the reward for playing survivor is getting prio to be raider and then get to play the raider which is supposed to be hard to take down. But when survivors are basically better than raiders it doesnt feel like much of a reward to play raider, especially when YOU end up having to run from the survivors.
The survivor kit is so varied with so many builda that a good group can capitalise on whereas raiders are stuck with the same boring skill passives to boost. Raiders need new unique skills each season to give them a variety and make it so that they dont become weaker by proxy of survivors getting more varied toolkits.
Mental got the ZvG treatment 😂😂😂
Never that
I ran into a similar match a few days earlier on Switch. I wasn't able to get Guldo to level 2 since I didn't find any civis and during that time, they found all the keys when I was close to level 2. Then I died. Once I was Recoome the team summoned Shenron and a 1 minute later everyone was a level 3. And the whole thing play pretty much the same as what happened to you but since half the team has special beam cannon, I died before the TM was at 25%. I think I was unlucky but this proves to me that Raiders aren't as OP as I thought. Survivors are. I might have been paired in a pre-made lobby but yeah.
Honestly I wish the raider would get a skill or something to deal with the android barrier or something that could go through walls and barriers. It could even have a cooldown. I mean it's annoying to deal with when it's used so often that I hardly ever use the Android barrier skill anymore because I know how it feels to blocked. Still use instant transmission though and like that it gives opening for me to not get away lol
Another thing that would be nice for a raider is a customizable skill set. For example using Frieza's Super Nova or Cell's Energy volley at different levels. Or perhaps having different skills you earn by leveling up your raider level. At least that way we could keep the survivors, especially if they are in a group chat and/or competent,guessing at least.
Full agree about the balance, just ban or mute his ass next time for your own mental health.
If people want to argue Ginyu had 4 lives then you should get to say survivors have 14 lives total!( arguably more since you cant always commit to the execution after they go down in some situations)How is that fair?
Literally lol, and sometimes the difference between winning and losing in this game is time. Survivors van be rezed instantly, auto evolving can take up precious time in the STM phase and lose you the match
It's actually quite simple. Ginyu force and frieza are the op ones, Cell and Buu are a bit weak although if we consider the developer comments, Buu is intended to be like that.
Now, I could focus on the 2nd match but it is whatever, the devs intend Buu to be like that and I can agree that he feels really weak so I will talk about the 1st match instead.
Everyone can get unlucky with the spawns, that's a fact but Ironcane commits 2 heavy mistakes here.
1st mistake - Map awareness: Ironcane literally spawned close to B, make use of that; it's also worth mentioning the time lost on opening boxes, on the second one Ironcane already admits that he is not doing very well, opening boxes for the raider is more of a flex than anything else as most of what they have you can't really use and the match just started, again the city is close, there's gonna be civs there, no need for a radar to find them and sure, getting a dragonball or a radar is good and it helps but it should not be your priority specially if you are struggling.
2nd mistake - Tunnel vision: You found a person, that person escaped quickly and then you turned around to another guy that also transformed, from other times where I've been in similar situations just be happy that you got the change out of them and go to find the civs keeping an eye on the DC so he doesn't attack you when you don't expect it, most of the time if they are alone they'll let you be and since you got the DC out of them you already won that encounter.
These 2 piled up and sure Ironcane was playing a good Guldo, his micro is definetely not a concern, he plays pretty well when it comes to it but this wasn't the problem.
Was he destined to lose? Maybe, sometimes RNG is too big of a factor and he wasn't favored in this instance but these 2 mistakes piled up on top of it and screwed up any chances he had.
For the record that was 10 caves checked in a bit more than 2 and a half minutes (one of the caves repeated however, 2nd and 9th cave he checked are the same) and a few houses, it was right before the 9th cave check (the repeat) that he also opened another chest that was way out of position as instead of going in a straight line he deviated, I'd say the first couple of chests sure, not that big of a deal but at this point in the match checking another one that also makes you deviate is a big no.
At the end of the day I get that he just wanted to enjoy the match but if getting obliterated like this is not fun to you, I don't understand why not put more effort into leaving Guldo asap, I mean you can enjoy him sure but if you delay too much, the survivors catch up. However if we are talking about how well Ironcane played that match, it wasn't as good as he makes it out to be.
If Raiders were op, these mistakes wouldn't matter no? That's my point, if you have to be good to play raider then the whole op argument is mute.
What do you mean it wouldn't matter? You have a huge advantage and a huge margin of error with some raiders (Ginyu and Frieza) but if you do not do what you are supposed to do, the survivors eventually close that gap, in this case past the 12 minute 30 second gap you had not even evolved yet. For reference if you had been playing Saibaman, they would have killed you more or less at the same time as Vegeta would kill the Saibaman which is an intended part of his own kit, that's how poorly you played in getting civs @@ironcane
Again, if raiders were truly OP it would not have mattered how "poorly" I played. I think we are using the term "OP" a little too loosely. We can't say raiders are op and don't need to try to win, and then also say when they lose its always because the raider is just a terrible player and survivors got lucky.
I can't even understand your definition of OP, in MOBAS usually having smth like a 55% is considered really good, borderline op, 60% is undoubtedly op, I just told you a mechanic of a raider that is considered not that amazing, Vegeta, more specifically the Saibaman form. If you stand still doing nothing for a good chunk of the match and you expect to win after that, you better be prepared for some insane "sweating".
If you want my opinion, I would say something is OP when both players play their characters with their options and choices as well as they could possibly do it and still one comes out on top more often than the other by a significant margin, obviously with consideration of the context but you using this game as an example of how raiders are not op when the only thing you did well was defending yourself (not actually killing survivors) is just too big of a stretch. Taking more than 3 minutes to evolve, being forced to in fact and blaming bad luck when like I said earlier you barely checked 10 caves, one even being a repeat, can't be considered a case of it actually not being op.
Hell, I could play ginyu with one hand on my back and also lose, but I wouldn't blame my luck or the survivors, these guys barely had any interaction with you until it actually mattered. @@ironcane
I'm specifically referring to those that think Survivors is a role where it is impossible to win because people think Raiders are op.
Also, not every cave is going to have a civ, and I don't have every cave memorized. I was actively looking for civs, it's not like I ran in a circle for 3 mins.
But again, there are those that consider Raiders to be unstoppable forces of nature, they are not and I wanted to make that clear.
Id like somethingnthat incentivised raiders not to ki blast spam. Either an overheat mechanic or they have to stop moving like the survivors do when they send out ki blasts. When spamming will make you stop dead in your tracks, youll only do it when you know youre about to get a down. Just like in Dead by daylight. You can go spamming your attack because youll be slowed and its easier for yhe survivor to get away.
Raiders were OP, then survivors became OP, then we got a new raider and they became OP, then we buffed survivors and they became OP. Then we nerfed raiders, and survivors continue to be OP.
Solo que and premades do a make a big difference though.
It is the 10th of November 2023, the game became free on Playstation plus three days ago as of the time of writing. The majority of players appear to be new players, myself included.
The Raiders have won.
In three days I have seen three non-AI Raider losses, two kills, and one where I was the raider and they got the STM (never playing Ginyu force again, least fun of the lot) The only hope is the ETM. The reddit threads online are all "survivors too OP", "git gud, I have 95% win rate with survivors"
At least for that one match every 5-6 matches where you get to be the raider you get to power trip and fuck everyone's day up.
I will be trying out the other free game I see as worth my time this month (Aliens: fireteam elite) and then returning to DbD, the one Asymmetrical game that seems to realise going from perfectly fine to dead in 2.3 seconds isn't fun, LOOKING AT YOU FRIDAY THE 13TH!
I feel like the ginue force are the one being called overpower. With the 3 og raiders if you damage them in any form the damage stays and they can’t heal and if you kill them early you win but with the ginue force if you kill one they have more raiders to use, it’s unfair. Level 4s aren’t even enough💀
Bro no way they got all seven balls and all the keys and slotted them all in three minutes bro like WTF….
My take is that Survivors need a buff 1 on 1 - just enough so that fighting solo can be viable: but Raiders need buffs against being jumped. An all-around damage buff for survivors and nerf for raiders (about 15%), but couple that with diminishing returns for team attacks, and perhaps even a rage mechanic that can make the raider briefly invulnerable.
I personally disagree with buffing survivors in 1 v 1s, that defeats the whole purpose of this game. It's a team based game, raiders lose against teams, not individual players. Even against lvl 4s, they shouldn't be able to 1v1 either otherwise the team aspect or imo the whole point of this game is lost.
I personally disagree with buffing survivors in 1 v 1s, that defeats the whole purpose of this game. It's a team based game, raiders lose against teams, not individual players. Even against lvl 4s, they shouldn't be able to 1v1 either otherwise the team aspect or imo the whole point of this game is lost.
Ngl, I feel like the first game could've easily been won by just sitting and playing around the destroying the super time machine plus baiting
easily won is a HUGE stretch my man, could I have potentially have won? Sure, but if raiders are as OP as people make them out to be I shouldn't have needed to play out my mind and have been carried.
@ironcane true, I just personally feel like most level 4s are at a disadvantage playing around the stm unless they run big splash damage supers like big bang attack and are forced to get close. It's definitely not as easy as I made it sound
The fact raiders need good rng or have to rely on survivors making some pretty catastrophic mistakes to win is proof that they aren't OP. Until season 4 drops and fixes some of these issues, the raiders are at a pretty obvious disadvantage, cause legit, Iron didn't get to play the first game and the second one was nearly as bad.
Now imagine fighting same sweaty team as Virginia💀💀💀
your gonna need alot more than 2 games pal. because where you can find 2 games of survivors dogging the raider, i can show you 200 of the raider intentionally holding back to get a perfect game on the survivors because they literally won the game TOO EASILY, and now have to slow down to give the team of level 150+ survivors a chance to win. thats how the majority of survivors get their wins. because raiders have to play sub-optimally just to get extra points, and often they can AFFORD to do this because even playing sub-optimally usually results in a victory. it's a MASSIVE achievement for survivors if they beat the raider. and it hasn't been since the alpha that this game was even somewhat balanced in the survivors favor. you and stray can try and spread propoganda all you want, it will NEVER change the facts, the player base knows the truth, and you can't brainwash them into thinking otherwise. it doesnt help that you guys prove yourselves that skilled raiders DO NOT LOSE if they chose to play optimally, the last patch was so bad a skilled raider could literally camp one area and NEVER LEAVE that one area, and STILL get a 7 man kill. that is INSANE. completely absurd and unacceptable even if you wanted to say that was a highroll on stray's part. (one he repeated twice in the same vid)
The new patch at least makes THAT laughably sad strategy no longer possible, but a patch that makes it so skilled raiders have to actually play the game is not a patch that makes raiders bad. it's just a baby step on a long flight of stairs to the balancing of this laughably unbalanced game.
the simple truth is, if raiders really were bad, you wouldn't have to keep shouting from the rooftops with all your buddies about how much they suck, because if they were bad, the players would already know that, and there would be no reason to argue about it. but you had to make this video BECAUSE the players are so vocal about the fact that the raider IS overpowered. because barring a super skilled premade where everyone is playing 100% optimally with no cracks, a truely talented raider playing 100% optimally and not carring about a perfect game will never lose. they will kill, camp bodies, kill. camp bodies, until too few survivors remain to fight back against the raider.
I've been arguing these points for months glad to see someone else argue them. I haven't played Breakers the past 2 months because I'm a solo-que player and in solo matches even with good teammates who play sweaty and good RNG I was losing 8/10 matches. Add to that Raider players playing scummy and using toxic voice lines after downing people...yeah no thanks I'm good.
Last night's stream was very calm and reasonable
Only thing you did wrong was let the survivors cook the time machine as recoome and not waste their dragon change. But to be fair you were facing great odds so you might have lost either way
Raiders start strong but as the match goes on survivors close the gab pretty quick so raiders have to level fast. Though i do hate the Saibamen camping.
I need a bad word he was gonna 4:58 Starts with a G or F
This argument can be made on either side. You can show bad raider games and say survivor is broken or you can show bad survivor games and say raider is op. I dont think raider is op really. I dont. I think theres core issues with the game that make the game either unbalanced or unfun in a game to game basis.
The point of the video was to show its not as black and whit as people make it out to be.
@@ironcaneI mightve missed the point my bad.
To me it felt like you were saying “survivor>raider” which is definitely the case in some games but theres also some games that raider is getting real lucky and thats my point. The games can feel hopeless on both sides. Its a heavily RNG reliant game which i think is just an issue with the game itself. I love this game a ton but thats an aspect i wish would change. Great video btw. it was really funny
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Raiders should be overpowered, that's the point. I don't understand why people complain that survivors should have more power. Dudes, your goal is to survive and escape, not fight and kill raiders. IT'S THERE IN THE NAME: SURVIVORS! If you want to use dragon charge, it should be to keep the raider distracted while the others work on keys or the STM, not to gang up on the raider because stuff is broken. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I feel like Breakers should cater more to the raiders than the survivors. 9/10 games it's just brainless dragon charge rush the raider down.
Actually it's the secondary goal of survivors. Escape or defeat raider.
@@Kayden2304 but you see? There's the priority! ESCAPE! Escape is the key proponent there!
the priority is to save the timeline by activating the super time machine
@@meoravec Escaping is not a win.
Exactly this! I may have worded it badly, but the STM is the priority, save the timeline by activating it. Escape is the "oh shit, we fucked up button."
Maybe they're just discouraging people playing raider before reintroducing Raider queque.
I mean atm everyone would prefer Raider role, what if you make it so stressful that people prefer to play surv?
Idk this gane seemed unlucky with the guldo civs. I think if recoome came out in 1 minute and 30 seconds like he normally does it wouldve been a differwnt game. But hey gg. I think cooking time machine with 4 lives guarantees games.
Ive cooked time machine at lvl 2 with frieza against shenron and won before. But idk i doubt they were premade when thay happens. Again, youve said it. Just an rng game really
The lives don't matter if there's a level 4 up, STM at 20%, and the whole team up to stall. That's why I said the amounts of lives don't matter.
Regardless I think people are trying to make this a critique on me which is fine, but the point of the video was to show that raiders aren't these unstoppable forces that don't have to try to win.
Maybe if Raiders could have different skills then maybe they could stand a better chance with an updated kit
I Stand By it. Punching the Raider shouldn't be a Thing. If a Survivor punches a Raider the Raider should ignore it. Why would I stop destroying it to deal with a non DC Survivor.
ehhhhhh I think that's a bit excessive personally
You should hella try armor core 6. a little challenging with a decent learning curve. but the gameplay looks alot like this. just way tighter and more responsive. its mechs instead of dragon ball. but i think mechs are still appropriately anime, even if they go for a more real artstyle. (especially since you can make the dialog Japanese!)
i get you like dragon ball. but you should seriously try out AC6. (i cant stress enough. im shitting on this game, not dragonball as a whole)
you also apparently like a challenge so i will leave you with this…
the game is rated overwhelmingly positive. but over half of the negative reviews if the game, come from people who cant beat the TUTORIAL BOSS! have fun man!
YES U POSTED IT!!!!!!
2 losses after 100 wins as raider only convinces me raiders are still too broken
Bro doesn’t even fight decent lobbies 💀
You haven't watched my content enough if you think I was on a 98 game winning streak lol
@@ironcane You could be right but i think of the 15 or 20 i seen, survivors got absolutely obliterated (like in that cell in less than 3 min one). Whats funny is that was the last 1 i saw IMMEDIATELY b4 this 1
Well that's the point of this video, there are extremes on buff sides. Both sides have strengths and weaknesses
You need a video debate against Steedoj on this topic.
Raiders and survivors both aren’t OP. Not black and white but if the win rate is 50/50 for both sides then that’s balance. I understand the frustration but I doubt raiders have these types of games every single time. Point is you win some then if in some games you get smashed as a raider well guess what? It happens on survivor side too
Ofc, the point is to show the people who think raiders just stomp every game with no in-between
@@ironcane fair enough yea that def aint the case. Things seem pretty good currently like I play solo and prob win 4/10 times just cuz some teammates on survivor side will be so bad too at times.
No way it’s 50/50 it’s more like 80/20 in the raiders favour
Wow they got the dragon balls fast
I probably wouldn't mind getting destroyed as a Raider if they had fixed the role select. It's so annoying to go through 5 or so bad survivor games to finally get raider and end up having to deal with premades.
Like fair play, but playing raider shouldn't have to feel one sided in a game where you're meant to be AFRAID of the raider when they spot you on the field, not the other way around.
^this literally me bro lol
@@ironcane i totally feel you my guy, lost as Freezia 5 times in a row. Half a which where premades from what I could tell. Managed to finally get a decent victory as super buu with only one survivor escaping.
Considering I needed around 4-5 priority to get raider that’s around 25 total games, 5 of which were as raider, and only one was an actual victory. I would feel less bad about losing so often if it didn’t take 5 games just to play raider once.
99% of games don't go this well for survivors against the Ginyu Force. Raider in and of itself isn't OP, but Ginyu Force certainly is. If they didn't have the Level 4 Shenron, they'd most likely have lost.
With how fast the super time machine was cooking it would've still been anyone's game. But utilizing lvl 4s are used in most games these days.
Tbh survivors only get strong when they spend money of get lucky xD
Iron when’s the guldo only vid 👀
Lvl 4 survivor with UC and back up
Good fucking luck
People don't even know what this skill does lol. And those are the same people that call raiders op
@ironcane Simple fact is they don't or rarely play Raider, and they don't want to listen to reason. Been playing since the betas and currently still playing. Played both roles extensively and can conclude that in the current state of the game Survivors are OP when multiple are running certain skills and passives. It flips the whole dynamic of the game and the Raider becomes the one trying to Survive🤣🤣
@@bluewind9321the beta for me was the most balanced the games been when you played raider you didn't have to worry about the survs deciding on instant sending your ass back to the lobby after you spent an hour of dreadful surv game to get raider just to be kicked in the balls and get sent back to a hour of surv again beta was just how I image the game was gonna be like
@@metald.e.v422 Very true indeed
I still beat up a lot of high lvl raider, even campers. Lv4's in good hands are immortal, you can't kill them especially with unconscious control.
I still think both sides as their annoying bs.
I will say raider are not OP they really are not, a smart team premade or not can make work of any raider. Keep in mind the key word "Smart" again even myself who i push myself to not use the overpowered abilities and stuns i have carried my weight where even i carried a team on some occasions, a raider should be strong, it should be a test of survivors that if your gonna fight, the survivor needs to struggle a bit. Still this a showcase especially with what i consider the number 1 raider. It shouls a smart team that knows and actually took the time to learn, they can do a lot and even show why survivors are the actually op.
The only reason people say that is bc they get trash teammates (like I do)
Raider op tho
Ignore Ins. Trans + barrier
Ignore S.E.S.
Ignore Makasalappaga
Ignore Key Rushing
Ignore TPD
Ignore OP ki blasts
Ignore all of that
Raider op
They need to buff raiders again
I think Raider is fine. I think they need to tune down some of the survivors kit.
@@icewolf6062definitely raider are being taken out faster than saibamen did to yamcha
@@metald.e.v422 you’re not wrong. I had a game where the team was together. By the time I got to Nappa they’d gotten the dragon balls and jumped me. Then dispatched Vegeta.
I hear ya, but allow me to raise a counter argument: Spopovich can solo a lv4 survivor, therefore your internet opinion is invalid. Raiders are way too overpowered. If ME, a rank 75 Lv3 Semi-perfect Cell can win in a 4v1 ambush scenario in a CAVE (3 lv3's and 1 Lv4) (who are all Max rank Survivors mind you) you have no right to say that Raiders are NOT overpowered cause they most DEFINITELY are…
let me guess, you landed a volley, the most notorious and strongest move in close range and cooked those survivors? You would've had an environmental advantage there. Those high level players should've known that so thats a misplay. And yes, a spopovich can and absolutely be able to defeat a lvl 4. Can and should the level 4 be able to defeat the spopo? Yes, but should the raider automatically lose and have no way to defend themselves? No.
What is lost on people in this game is that its team based. Survivors excel in team fights. One Vs ones aren't really a thing in this game. A one Vs one is stalling. You shouldn't be able to 1 VS 1 a full health raider and kill them unless they're an auto evolve raider. This is not xenoverse, this is a team based game where you gradually deplete the raiders health or activate the stm.
I mean why people even try to play as Raider considering Survivors are OP, just let the game die because nobody would be playing as Raider
No the ones lying are the ones saying Raiders are weak and that premades or really competent solo-que teams always win that is some straight up B.S if you are a good Raider and you play optimally/sweaty then you should win even against premades, if you lose as Raider it's purely a RNG and skill issue.
Both are strong, and a good raider can beat a premade. I've beaten my fair share but when people act is if raiders don't need to try and that they're carried because they're op straight up don't know what they're talking about.
@@ironcane As long as the survivor team isn't playing their asses off then Raiders really don't need to try, most games for Raiders are cake walks.
So we agree it's a skill issue and raiders aren't op
@@ironcane No I said if Raiders lose it's a skill issue, Survivors losing is just par for the course. Raiders are op and I'm not playing the game again until they get a serious overhaul and get brought back down in power some.
So raiders lose its a skill issue, but survivors lose its because they're op? What does it mean when survivors win then? The raider was just bad and the survivors just got lucky?
I'm pretty perplexed how you can watch this video in its entirety and not have the open mind to see that Raiders aren't these unstoppable forces of nature people make them out to be.
It's like saying a stove isn't hot, seeing someone touch a stove, get burned and you continue to say it isn't hot lol.
No shame in losing to premades.
Will never undertand the usage of the word "sweaty" when thoes it is used in regards to are doing the objective no matter what the game and only definition of the term im given when asked is one that is subjective and speculative in nature.
its a copium phrase man, it also implies that people are using meta abilities when they don't necessarily have to
4:11 😭
Not liking this weekend event. All the premades came out to play and I couldn't catch a break
Like I said raiders are weak lol people truly don’t understand the the game survivors want to win every game and the moment they lose that match they complain about it which is ridiculous
Okay, this can not be used as a real example of why raiders are unusable garbage like you think. You kept getting baited by survivors as guldo (which fighting more than 1 survivor as him is a very bad idea) and you not trying to find civ's when you saw that the survivors were difficult to deal with. Also, this is by far one of the most hardcore premades i have ever seen, which doesn't happen much at all in solo queue.
Even most premades aren't able to get shenron that early. Also, premades are a very small percentage of the community because they require people to make friends and dragon ball related stuff and anything resembling something peaceful do not go well together since dragon ball fans do not approve of peace or cooperation because its part of the dragon ball fandom. A toxic cesspool.
So this can't be used as an example but survivors getting their backs blown out to make the argument that raiders are op can? There are extremes on both sides.
All I'm trying to say is that the game isn't as black and white as people have made it. If raiders were truly op as people made them out to be, the term "premade" wouldn't have been a thing because it wouldn't matter.
@ironcane Survivors usually will try, and if they're good, they'll still lose since unless everything is in their favor. Im not speaking on behalf of my survivor games. Im speaking on behalf of the survivors whose backs that i have blown out in the past. Some were premades, and i still win cause i never accept defeat.
Some of my survivors games go well at least 4.5/10 times (5.5 comes from bad players and bad circumstances and luck). But i can't use those games as an example cause the raider is usually trash and doesn't use advantages that they could be using, like predicting revives and locations where civ's might be. Yes, i play in a cheap and underhanded way, but you gotta do what you gotta do to win cause when you're a raider, you're on your own with no assistance. Just your own skill. Whether the survivors approve of my methods is not my concern.
Like you just said man, if you play "cheap" and "underhanded" that doesn't scream op to me. That tells me you have to do whatever you can to win as Raider
@ironcane Well, it works effectively, and i lose a very, very small amount of games because of it. I win a lot of games even against pre mades since I'll purposely do whatever i can to ruin their fun cause them working well together ruins my fun because i can't easily blow their backs out like i do with causal players.
That’s the funny thing about raider main players.......they know how to bash players faces but they don’t know how to receive one.....they literally act like babies and just start crying. It works both ways if your going to throw a punch you better know how to take one too. Raiders aren’t op but the players skill problems make the raiders op. 😒😒😒
YES THE GOAT SAID IT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO thank you so so so so so so much bro
dude this game is soooooo tryhard or lose
Day 7 of asking for playercane
30 second stm. 30 seconds. And a wish not even 20 later. This is why I put the game down
This is actually the reason i quit breakers
😭😭 TiltedCane is top 5 all time
Then the radiers become op
Well duh! Of course they're OP. Especially compared to the Survivor. Even fighting against them with one Level above is difficult. Which why peoples need to work together in order to take them down. Unfortunately, since for some reason, peoples like to loss, it's easier said then done.
Raiders are "OP" in 1 VS 1 match ups because thats how its supposed to be, teamwork is key and people don't understand that
@@ironcane Unfortunately. The number of fight i didn't lose because of my Teammate can be counted on one hand.
That's not your fault or the Raiders being op, that's bad teammates
@@ironcane I know.
This could do without the clickbait title (putting the opposite opinion in quotation marks).
I'm confused about your issue here?
Not even op at all you can kill a level 4 solo it’s hard but it can done if you’re a level 4
No you can’t the raider is always stronger