I love how so much of the strategy here is "if worst comes to worst, sacrifice yourself for the good of the raid". It fits Kil'Jaeden's personality so well.
Fatboss, you guys would really benefit from a quick TL;DR at the beginning just to give us a picture of how the fight plays out. A huge list of mechanics is hard to relate to the fight, even with the wonderful descriptions you guys give. I've just noticed that when I watch one of these videos, it's 50x easier for me to understand having done the normal version, or whenever you guys give a brief explanation of the fight at the beginning. Sometimes you do it, sometimes you don't. Thanks for the vids!
On phase 2 for us he would cast Armageddon when the tank swaps. So we HAD to have an immunity player go soak the tank meteor for the 1st and 2nd armageddons in phase 2. Else it would just 1shot us tanks regardless of mitigation. The 3rd armageddon was back to normal as it wasn't as the tanks were swapping.
Just killed him on heroic like an hour ago. Obelisks are not fun to deal with. Really, really fun fight though, and a real challenge as a final boss should be. Way more difficult than Gul'Dan heroic in my opinion.
I'm half scared and half looking forward to the mythic version. Mythic tuning alone will make this fight brutal as hell, and we don't know what else they will throw at us...
Haven't done it in HM yet but the boss was cheap af on NM. Abilities barely overlap so you mainly deal with them one by one. I'm really hoping it gets better in HM.
He really is a lot more interesting on HC, though the first intermission is still pretty boring. I hope they add something exciting for Mythic, because I feel like the fight is really close to being amazing, similar to Lei Shen.
Personally Phase 3 is the hardest for me. Finding the obelelisk safe spot every time it's cast is sometimes hard to do. Furthermore, I don't find Phase 2 to be stressful at all. Soaking armageddons is really simple, managing the dreadflames is just a matter of positioning, and the shadow reflections just fall over to cleave and AoE
Hey guys! thanks for all your great vids, they have helped me alot! I was watching this and saw the shaman Nimtaz UI and i would love to know how he did that! looks awesome! :) Thanks again!
Literally wiped 50 times yesterday , was thinking about going to bed just before the pull where we DID FUCKING FINALLY KILL HIM on normal , but fuck it , got to watch the skies being torn open. Pugs are hell :D Last pug was awesome tho :D
Man for tank ( or at least for casual tank players) is a nightmare when you try to swap from tank to another just to avoid the felclaw stacks i was trying this boss for a first time and i got screwed by it and man is really scary. thanks for the guide tho is really helful
Hey, how'd you get your DBM bars to look like that (skinny bars with text on top)? Is that a skin or you just set it up differently? Thanks and great vids! :)
Just a heads up, there is an enrage timer. At least we had one. It seems to be about 8 min or so, which is nuts due to the heavy movement this fight requires.
Bless of spellwarding is 3 minutes CD, BoP is 5 minutes CD.. And we're pretty busy to locate the player, and shield him.. if he's in range at all... Took us 30 wipes to kill him on heroic, worth every punch on the keyboard for each wipe!
After ~50 wipes i finally killed him on normal. Jesus, that was a tough fight, even on Normal diff. So large amount of damage, so chaotic. Trully Brutal Boss=)
On normal a resto druid with guardian aff. Ironbark+Barkskin+Bearform can take the large armegaddon pool. Do not if it works on heroic we are not that far.
Cheers man. The thing is though i have weakauras already for it but i dont have a decent tidal waves wa, i rly like the one he's using and thats mainly what i tried getting my hands on^^
Did... anyone actually use their tanks to do the big Armageddon throughout the raid? All pugs and guild groups I was in used immune soakers (hunters, mages...).
I did Heroic guldan before my guild on 1st week , Its about find the right pug with voice chat . I suggest finding a good guild or a Good pug members .
Can someone tell me how the "find humanoid" actually looks in that phase? As a feral I have the ability as well, but I haven't actually been able to tell where Illidan was, looking at the minimap. Is it tiny and did I just miss it, or what?
dumb question I guess. I was in there yesterday for the first time and got screamed at because it was my first time in this raid. I don't know what you're supposed to do when you turn giant...and was told to get out! so I did I'm sick of pugs, like everyone knows the fight on the first try ever right?
I honestly mean it when i say "i'm not being a dick here". And obviously don't condone the act of screaming at someone over a video game. BUT!!!! the dungeon journal which is available day 1, does tell you that the ability "Shadow Reflection" creates a copy of you after 8 seconds that deals damage. Reading that makes me think of Nythendra's MC aka group up and be cleaved on the boss. All the info you need to know is in the journal you don't need a video guide to know the fight on the first pull. Best of luck on future pugs.
when you are afflicted with 'Shadow Reflection' your grp should expect you to stack right under KJ's ass......you eventually are disconnected from your larger self and will have to dps down not only your reflection but 2 others (3 total - on normal) as well.................hope that helps
There is a reason to ask for a curve. I've lead some pug raids on my own and there is a pretty big difference in asking and not asking. If you don't demand curve it's usually a big shitshow that ends on the second boss, and if you do ask for curve your average group can make it to avatar at least.
Ken Kaniff Personally i think they are, since every boss shouts a different line for each spell. For example when Kil is about to cast the beam he shouts "who's gonna share your fate?"
There are videos of people doing mythic bosses without mechanic helping addons, but those are people who have practices that boss for minimum 100 pulls.
M. K exactly,that's how I personally deal with boss fights,with sound. Which fucked me up on Botanist mythic as he doesn't say a word in first phase D: Also,if you're used to that it doesn't take nearly as much as 100 pulls to get it right.If you're used to not play easy mode with addons,you adapt very quickly (in some cases,quicker than someone who relies too much on addons)
Prot Pala HP is ridiculously low. i get the idea of a tank with high "Effective hp" but in a world where Brewmasters and bears exist, and bring hp and effective hp... cant be justified just because they can "heal a lot"
Absolutely no problem for prot pallys to tank it anyways. Did it with a 912 pally (on hc), no issues. Hits hard but a bit like you said, they heal when they go low. And rotate CDs.
You seem to be out of the loop. Alternate Timeline Gul'Dan fled to our Azeroth, went into the Tomb of Sargeras, this time not getting killed and opening a portal using some kind of secondary Well of Eternity but smaller. We go into the Tomb to close it off, and Kil'Jaeden is there. We even get to fight the imprisoned Avatar of Sargeras. Though I will concede that the Tomb is in better condition than Illidan thought he left it
What the fuck is this raid design, seriously. P2 is like a demented game show challenge where you have to hop on one foot, eyes closed, while keeping your right hand index finger on your nose and bouncing a basketball with your left hand. While singing the national anthem, BACKWARDS.
Tom Wallen Well it’s not a soft enrage, that’s why. It could an enrage or it could not, depending how on well your group can continue to do the mechanics.
this fight looks ridiculous, fights should not be this complicated, fights like maiden or avatar are much better designed fights IMHO far fewer mechanics but meaningful ones. this fight is more a test of your memory than your skill or reaction time, it's about remembering everything and predicting and "reacting" before things even happen.
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I love how so much of the strategy here is "if worst comes to worst, sacrifice yourself for the good of the raid". It fits Kil'Jaeden's personality so well.
11:37 "you safe fam"
Need to edit this video FB there is a ten min enrage timer now... and the DPS check is INSANE!
10 mins for this boss isnt an insane dps check by any means.
My guild was able to defeat HC Kil’Jaeden today for our first time (Legion, blizz-like Private Server) using your video!
Very helpful! Thanks 🙏 🤙🏽
Fatboss, you guys would really benefit from a quick TL;DR at the beginning just to give us a picture of how the fight plays out.
A huge list of mechanics is hard to relate to the fight, even with the wonderful descriptions you guys give. I've just noticed that when I watch one of these videos, it's 50x easier for me to understand having done the normal version, or whenever you guys give a brief explanation of the fight at the beginning. Sometimes you do it, sometimes you don't.
Thanks for the vids!
i agreee
I take notes! Lol!
On phase 2 for us he would cast Armageddon when the tank swaps. So we HAD to have an immunity player go soak the tank meteor for the 1st and 2nd armageddons in phase 2. Else it would just 1shot us tanks regardless of mitigation. The 3rd armageddon was back to normal as it wasn't as the tanks were swapping.
Thank you as always for the guides!
Many years of playing Bomberman makes dodging those obelisks easy.
Kil'jaeden looks way harder than the rest of the raid, but at least they did him justice.
As of today's patch, the Hunter tracking no longer works. Rest in pepperonis.
Great guide, as always! :)
Just killed him on heroic like an hour ago. Obelisks are not fun to deal with. Really, really fun fight though, and a real challenge as a final boss should be. Way more difficult than Gul'Dan heroic in my opinion.
I'm scared what he would be like on mythic
Yeah,normal is way easier than gul'dan normal,but heroic is way harder than gul'dan heroic
I'm half scared and half looking forward to the mythic version. Mythic tuning alone will make this fight brutal as hell, and we don't know what else they will throw at us...
Haven't done it in HM yet but the boss was cheap af on NM. Abilities barely overlap so you mainly deal with them one by one. I'm really hoping it gets better in HM.
He really is a lot more interesting on HC, though the first intermission is still pretty boring. I hope they add something exciting for Mythic, because I feel like the fight is really close to being amazing, similar to Lei Shen.
You lost me at 3 phases and 2 intermission phases....
Really love the DH UI @ 2:51. Perhaps a way to export that? Guessing its Nyall.
Personally Phase 3 is the hardest for me. Finding the obelelisk safe spot every time it's cast is sometimes hard to do. Furthermore, I don't find Phase 2 to be stressful at all. Soaking armageddons is really simple, managing the dreadflames is just a matter of positioning, and the shadow reflections just fall over to cleave and AoE
Pretty cool final phase
Thank you very much, guys. Love you ♥
Hey guys! thanks for all your great vids, they have helped me alot!
I was watching this and saw the shaman Nimtaz UI and i would love to know how he did that! looks awesome! :) Thanks again!
This fight was so good for fire mages, that i enjoyed the heck out of it.
11:35 what addon is he using for energy bar and spell in the middle?
@FatbossTV hey, wich addon you are using at 02:00 to heal? I really like the option to show the groups.
What UI is used at 1:40 with the Shaman? looks great I wanna try it out
woot just got it thanks for the video only took me an hour
Literally wiped 50 times yesterday , was thinking about going to bed just before the pull where we DID FUCKING FINALLY KILL HIM
on normal , but fuck it , got to watch the skies being torn open. Pugs are hell :D Last pug was awesome tho :D
we made it on our 8th try :D
we 1 shot it on normal lol !
HerpMahDerpFlurpleDumunumuh fuck pugs! ... my guild wiped 16 times before downing on normal, seems easier than guldan though
I did it 4th try with a pug!!
we did it at 2 try with a normal pug at 4am ST. haha nicely smooth.
Man for tank ( or at least for casual tank players) is a nightmare when you try to swap from tank to another just to avoid the felclaw stacks i was trying this boss for a first time and i got screwed by it and man is really scary. thanks for the guide tho is really helful
crazy! thank you Fat Boss
Hey, how'd you get your DBM bars to look like that (skinny bars with text on top)? Is that a skin or you just set it up differently? Thanks and great vids! :)
Just a heads up, there is an enrage timer. At least we had one. It seems to be about 8 min or so, which is nuts due to the heavy movement this fight requires.
can't demon hunters use spectral sight to spot illidan? if not, that's really odd...
Astrid Clements I know I couldn't
GOOD POINT
Could anyone tell me the UI setup that Nimtaz is using at 2:00?
If you have a prot paladin,couldn't you use blessing on spellwarding on the player sacrificing with dreadflame on the nasty overlap?
it's physical dmg, so bop is the winner
focused dreadflame is fire damage, armageddon is physical
Bless of spellwarding is 3 minutes CD, BoP is 5 minutes CD.. And we're pretty busy to locate the player, and shield him.. if he's in range at all... Took us 30 wipes to kill him on heroic, worth every punch on the keyboard for each wipe!
Takes some communication from your guildmates of course,and depends on how your group does it,but imo it's doable
It think it's doable too, but requires good communication. And our first kill was... chaotic... to say the least..
God I really want your ElvUI profile to copy paste and import to my ElVUI. Looks so slick
6:12
I'm sorry, how did that mage know he was going to get Focused Dreadflame? Does it target the farthest target from the boss? What's going on here?
Litterally just finished my raid on this boss and you release it now! Argh
Jk's love to you guys from Denmark
So feral druids are Perfect for the orbs? Lots of Mobility and strong Defensive Cooldowns.
yeah,even cat is enough to kite it to the rift safely,and then you can bear and take the hit
Yep, though I'd still probably prefer to use a ranged, simply because of the dps loss.
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Defeating Kil 'jaeden in the tomb of sargeras th-cam.com/video/yQ4m00KqPtc/w-d-xo.html
one time during the intermission phase to find Illidan, it was bugged.. he doesn't show up :D guessed Maiev snatched him lol
I would like a timestamp on the different tacts and WHEN the heroics and normal tacts is
What are the Demon hunters timer bars they look awesome. Is that from bigwigs? IV always used dbm
Those WeakAuras and UI in general of Demon Hunter are nice! Any chance for UI link? or Auras?
So, since the latest hotfix, he now has a 10 minute enrage timer. @FatbossTV
Vanduhn rip double BL
11:35 can someone can link the weakaura for CD ?
For the Illidan phase, can flare be used to show his location or no? Like is it visible or not to other raid members?
Which raid frames addon is the one the frost mage is using?
you are sure that the shadow reflection is only in heroic ? i tried to do KJ normal and still got the reflection . 2:38
shadow reflections happen in phase 2 on normal
shadow reflections spawn in normal during phase 2 only. they spawn in heroic during phase 1 as well as phase 2
ah I see now
Song at 6:30?
After ~50 wipes i finally killed him on normal. Jesus, that was a tough fight, even on Normal diff. So large amount of damage, so chaotic. Trully Brutal Boss=)
Alex Jensen still didnt kill him yet on normal... oh my guild is lazy...
so using the ability which let u see things through walls with a demon hunter dont let u see illidan?
On normal a resto druid with guardian aff. Ironbark+Barkskin+Bearform can take the large armegaddon pool.
Do not if it works on heroic we are not that far.
Anyone else felt like fighting Grunthilda here?
Who or what is a Grunthilda? Can't find her on Wowpedia.
Banjoo & Kazooie Endboss
HAHA!! No wonder then :P
What boss ability tracking addon is this dps monk using ?
Good boss from the looks of things
you safe fam
link to weakauras?
How do I know I'm in LFR ? I soak a puddle on my holydin, with a bubble up and a mage comes to join me (sans ice block).....and dies.
What's that UI Resto shammy has?
So bop (Blessing of Protection) works for Armageddon? Thought Arma was magic damage?
ReaganRayden the big one is physical
It's physical damage indeed,only the dot is fire(magic)
Nah, the big meteor is physical damage. Finally us Ret Paladins are useful ;D
what tomes do dh need in able to be a soaker
Any chance ur resto shaman weakauras are available somwhere @fatbosstv ??
You could try out mine ;)
www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/26061-healers-weakauras-patch-72/
Cheers man. The thing is though i have weakauras already for it but i dont have a decent tidal waves wa, i rly like the one he's using and thats mainly what i tried getting my hands on^^
alright can easly make it give me a moment
wago.io/Hk9yGEIVZ
Have fun ;) felt like helping
oh nice, ill definetly check it out, thanks for the help dude
Did... anyone actually use their tanks to do the big Armageddon throughout the raid? All pugs and guild groups I was in used immune soakers (hunters, mages...).
Sorry for the begginer questions, what addon is he using for the UI?
bartender is boss
That doesn't answer the question, and that's not bartender.
you do notice there's more than one player perspective, one uses bartender, its boss and i was pointing it out. move along.
but when do we click the orbs to turn into blue dragons :E
pugging this is painfull
I did Heroic guldan before my guild on 1st week , Its about find the right pug with voice chat .
I suggest finding a good guild or a Good pug members .
Captain obvious here.
what does soak mean
'soak' means that you absorb the damage caused by standing in the flames on the ground
Hunters can track Humanoids and find Illidan on the map :)
Feral druid can have tracking too ;)
Luke J. Fordham unfortunately that doesn't work anymore, it's been fixed
really, we just use a hunter not sure if thats fixed we find him pretty easy most the time :)
Can the dot from the meteor be bubbled/iceblocked off?
yes it can.
yes but why use an immunity after the hit instead of when it falls?
Kappa 123 In case you're forced to take 2 debuff stacks
Hunters can use Aspect of Turtle too
Can you use DH Spectral Sight to find Illidan?
Nope.
I tried using it during that phase (it was a very hectic time so this could be wrong) but I did not notice anything extra.
Thanks to both of you for the reply. Disappointed to hear that you can't though.
You can use hunters find humanoid though
Can someone tell me how the "find humanoid" actually looks in that phase? As a feral I have the ability as well, but I haven't actually been able to tell where Illidan was, looking at the minimap. Is it tiny and did I just miss it, or what?
Wich addon is this m8 ?
dumb question I guess. I was in there yesterday for the first time and got screamed at because it was my first time in this raid. I don't know what you're supposed to do when you turn giant...and was told to get out! so I did I'm sick of pugs, like everyone knows the fight on the first try ever right?
I honestly mean it when i say "i'm not being a dick here". And obviously don't condone the act of screaming at someone over a video game. BUT!!!! the dungeon journal which is available day 1, does tell you that the ability "Shadow Reflection" creates a copy of you after 8 seconds that deals damage. Reading that makes me think of Nythendra's MC aka group up and be cleaved on the boss. All the info you need to know is in the journal you don't need a video guide to know the fight on the first pull.
Best of luck on future pugs.
when you are afflicted with 'Shadow Reflection' your grp should expect you to stack right under KJ's ass......you eventually are disconnected from your larger self and will have to dps down not only your reflection but 2 others (3 total - on normal) as well.................hope that helps
I need a holy paladin string, a good one, for weakauras. Can anyone help me?
LINK CURVE OR NO INVITE !!!!!
BRING BRAIN AND FOOD!!!
On day 1
ZeeRaX lol
dominik bognar I cannot comprehend why people think you're not good if you don't have curve yet... it just means you've been unlucky with pugs
There is a reason to ask for a curve. I've lead some pug raids on my own and there is a pretty big difference in asking and not asking. If you don't demand curve it's usually a big shitshow that ends on the second boss, and if you do ask for curve your average group can make it to avatar at least.
How a hunter can find Ilidan on darkness?
Track Humanoids via magnifying glass on minimap. See dot, then ping location by clicking minimap.
shadow reflections are on normal too....
He was a nice step up in difficulty on HC, but as entire guild is 915+ we prolly overgeared the fuck out of it as we only had 16wipes.
The humanoid tracking doesnt work anymore
Auviance what about demon hunter ability?
No clue about that, but i heard that the humanoid tracking is working again :P.
Works for us in raid, so Idk man.
Hey ever tried to kill'jaeden?
Gotta love ads right in the middle of the video.
Coming back from a break - going to take on H KJ tonight. I'm preemptively clenching my cheeks.
Genius
whenever you say "room" it sounds like "rum"
MORE 60 SECONDS GUIDE !!!!
Ty
does hunter's flare work in shadow phase to find illdan?
No, neither does Spectral sight.
Ha he said 'tit' at 9:10 lol
"gg youre a torch" xD
I wonder if these raids are even possible without mods...
they are,just takes some practice
You'd practice until you have all the fight timings memorized, which in the end would be basically the same as using DBM, just way less effective.
Ken Kaniff Personally i think they are, since every boss shouts a different line for each spell. For example when Kil is about to cast the beam he shouts "who's gonna share your fate?"
There are videos of people doing mythic bosses without mechanic helping addons, but those are people who have practices that boss for minimum 100 pulls.
M. K exactly,that's how I personally deal with boss fights,with sound.
Which fucked me up on Botanist mythic as he doesn't say a word in first phase D:
Also,if you're used to that it doesn't take nearly as much as 100 pulls to get it right.If you're used to not play easy mode with addons,you adapt very quickly (in some cases,quicker than someone who relies too much on addons)
This looks really hard
Sime yule taniously? or SIM ul taneously? I dont get why so many BRITISH people use the US pronunciation
move with Dreadflame. Move With Dreadflame. FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST MOVE WITH - wipe.
Every pug I've gotten into, they don't know how to soak. Even using quads, people still miss 2 soaks at a time. Why. This on lfr is going to be hell.
Damn this boss seems hard compared to Argus
Prot Pala HP is ridiculously low. i get the idea of a tank with high "Effective hp" but in a world where Brewmasters and bears exist, and bring hp and effective hp... cant be justified just because they can "heal a lot"
Absolutely no problem for prot pallys to tank it anyways. Did it with a 912 pally (on hc), no issues. Hits hard but a bit like you said, they heal when they go low. And rotate CDs.
8/9, no first week aotc i guess ;_;
Wiped twice on him, 10 times on the Avatar... can't see the difficulty here.
Try HC!
Other way around for me. Maybe the better your tanks are the easier Avatar is and the better your Raid is the easier KJ is.
Why can't you pronounce "th"?
holy fuck
I got killed right away with the obelisk beam right away...
What is he doing in Tomb of Sargeras? Wasn't the tomb destroyed after Illidan? IS this caverns of time thing or just blizztard raped the lore again?
You seem to be out of the loop. Alternate Timeline Gul'Dan fled to our Azeroth, went into the Tomb of Sargeras, this time not getting killed and opening a portal using some kind of secondary Well of Eternity but smaller. We go into the Tomb to close it off, and Kil'Jaeden is there. We even get to fight the imprisoned Avatar of Sargeras. Though I will concede that the Tomb is in better condition than Illidan thought he left it
Thanks for explanation.
What the fuck is this raid design, seriously. P2 is like a demented game show challenge where you have to hop on one foot, eyes closed, while keeping your right hand index finger on your nose and bouncing a basketball with your left hand.
While singing the national anthem, BACKWARDS.
Pseudo Enrage? What happened to calling it a soft enrage, son!
Tom Wallen Well it’s not a soft enrage, that’s why. It could an enrage or it could not, depending how on well your group can continue to do the mechanics.
this fight looks ridiculous, fights should not be this complicated, fights like maiden or avatar are much better designed fights IMHO far fewer mechanics but meaningful ones. this fight is more a test of your memory than your skill or reaction time, it's about remembering everything and predicting and "reacting" before things even happen.
youre really complaining that the fight is too complicated? Go back to being spoonfed in NH then..