I think the new DoT buff is super nice, though Cocolia can be a little rough, I still had a lot of fun. What do you guys think of the results of Ruan Mei and Robin this time? A little expected but take into consideration the effort it takes. Also, sub if you can. Big thanks! If we can hit 100 subs before Christmas, I'll be putting out an Express Supply Pass giveaway to subscribed viewers!
@mo7ammed1017 Yes, it's hard because she relies on Follow up Attacks to bump her energy gain. In DoT team, HuoHuo tries to help her but usually falls short. But with consistent energy gain via enemy attacks, which is guaranteed in this fight, it helps a lot in her uptime!
We only need a Harmony and Abundance focused DOT / Peservation that can inflict bleed somehow because I had enough of every break and FUA centric unit overflowing 2.x meanwhile we only got 1 actual DOT (BS) 😢😢
managed to get 3605 with E0S0 Robin, E1S1 Swan and E0S1 Kafka (sustain was E6 Gallagher). while DoT is in a pretty shaky state and the turbulence is finnicky to use (breaking with Kafka's detonations really increases the amount of damage the turbulence does), I'm just glad that I can use my favourite archetype in some gamemodes still given the amount of investment put into them. hopefully they'll rise again in the future. I also tried triple DoT (E0S1 Kafka/E1S1 Swan/E0S1 Jiaoqiu) and I think I only got about 3.3K-3.4K. even if JQ contributes an equal amount of raw damage compared to RM or Robin E0S1s, the fact that RM has 50% WBE and Robin gives so many extra turns makes JQ so much worse for breaking compared to the other two. he just feels much worse in this AS overall.
True, i got 3.6k points with my f2p ff team, e0s0 ff and rm. I don't even play dot but dot needs a proper support pronto (and more characters in general)
Old archetype and still no dedicated support that can make them soar. Meanwhile we have Super Break getting Lingsha that is basically a monster for a lot of content! Hopefully patch 3.0+ provides.
No offense but I think with that much vertical investment you could get 3700+. Because I saw pokke ran DoT team with lower investment and got 3500+ even though with a bit of missplay
that feels low tbh, you can prob do more. My e0s1 fei team with march e1 robin and aven can score 1742 consistently and with good luck, the version with bronya over march can net me 1799. I can also run sustainless but i dont have the spd to not die (154 spd on each to outspeed cocolia) and do a 1850+ score
This is what i said! People keep pairing kafka and BS with acheron while using DoT buff, acheron won't do nothing with them. Saying the DoT buff is bad, your choice on team is. Anyway, great run!
@@anwarshadaad1553 i understand that the team is getting old. But what i mean to say is if you want to use DoT buff, use either someone who can buff DoT damage or another DoT applicant. Which in this video is ruan mei. You can still use guinaifen to increase the damage enemy receive while applying burn or sampo to apply vulnerability and wind shear. Both of them will work well with the DoT buff you choose. But not so much for acheron, if you want to use her go for the node 2. Your '4 cost' feixiao team have higher score probably because the main gimmick of this Apo are increase break damage and follow-up attack. Your feixiao ultimate are considered a follow-up attack. And another thing to note feixiao have 2 different attack for her ultimate which one of it are for enemy that on weakness broken condition. Choosing break buff will benefit her more. I can't say that this team doesn't benefit from the main gimmick of the Apo. But what they get feels less than the follow-up or break team got. That's why it's still impressive. I'm not hating 'cost' system. But until it's a tournament, i honestly don't care about it. If you can clear with less cost usage, that's great amazing your choice for the team synergies well.
Why Jiaoqiu not used in Kafka-BS dot team? Isn't Jiaoqiu Ashen Roast is considered as permanent burn? I don't have both Kafka-BS, i do have Jiaoqiu using him with Acheron
Jiaoqiu would be battling for a spot against characters that could fit that spot better than him by a lot. If you don't have Ruan Mei or Robin, then maybe he can fill their role, otherwise he can also go to the sustain's slot but considering how much damage bosses do in the end game, after a few turns if you aren't able to kill them, you're cooked. Sadly, I don't have Jiaoqiu to test him further, other players might have already though? TLDR: Robin and Ruan Mei buffs would out damage him. Probably only usable if you lack those 2 big supports or you want to try sustainless teams. But overall, he's just not good for Kafka-BS Team in my opinion.
If you have his E2 then sure. Otherwise robin & ruanmei just a better choice (robin gives AA, buffs atk & dmg%. Ruan mei buffs dmg%, speed & break efficiency). E2 jiaoqiu has the upper hand if you decided to brute force content or in PF as enemies keep spawning and black swan alone cant keep up
I think the new DoT buff is super nice, though Cocolia can be a little rough, I still had a lot of fun. What do you guys think of the results of Ruan Mei and Robin this time? A little expected but take into consideration the effort it takes. Also, sub if you can. Big thanks! If we can hit 100 subs before Christmas, I'll be putting out an Express Supply Pass giveaway to subscribed viewers!
Robin problem in the dot team is the up time of buff because of the energy
@mo7ammed1017 Yes, it's hard because she relies on Follow up Attacks to bump her energy gain. In DoT team, HuoHuo tries to help her but usually falls short. But with consistent energy gain via enemy attacks, which is guaranteed in this fight, it helps a lot in her uptime!
@@potatodes yes its help alot
wish they give us a new dot detonator in the 3.x patches
@@ganggaming950 Please make DoT great again! 🥹
fr. Kafka is way too old and we don't have a DoT support yet
Imagine a summon that apples a different dot from it's summoner and the both of them can detonate all dot for a significant porcentage
Bro take care of yourself, be wary of the kafka mains
Yeah but then I will regret my E1 Kafka
We only need a Harmony and Abundance focused DOT / Peservation that can inflict bleed somehow because I had enough of every break and FUA centric unit overflowing 2.x meanwhile we only got 1 actual DOT (BS) 😢😢
We cope and hope 3.0+ has a DoT support XD Surely 4.0 atleast right?
Coping that there will be a 5* bleed sustain is the only reason why I didnt pull huohuo
@@potatodes The way this might actually happen but I still can see myself playing DoT up to that point 😭😭
@@pinkinglily6447 We can only pray for it to happen at this point 😭😭😭
managed to get 3605 with E0S0 Robin, E1S1 Swan and E0S1 Kafka (sustain was E6 Gallagher). while DoT is in a pretty shaky state and the turbulence is finnicky to use (breaking with Kafka's detonations really increases the amount of damage the turbulence does), I'm just glad that I can use my favourite archetype in some gamemodes still given the amount of investment put into them. hopefully they'll rise again in the future.
I also tried triple DoT (E0S1 Kafka/E1S1 Swan/E0S1 Jiaoqiu) and I think I only got about 3.3K-3.4K. even if JQ contributes an equal amount of raw damage compared to RM or Robin E0S1s, the fact that RM has 50% WBE and Robin gives so many extra turns makes JQ so much worse for breaking compared to the other two. he just feels much worse in this AS overall.
@@aprilayanami8941 Nice run! Gallagher does seem pretty good to run as sustain against Cocolia. I kinda want to try it out!
DOT team with 4 Event chars with E1S1 complete with the same result as Firefly team without eidolons and sighnature light cones...that's a pity
True, i got 3.6k points with my f2p ff team, e0s0 ff and rm. I don't even play dot but dot needs a proper support pronto (and more characters in general)
This is crazy with that amount of investment and buff, dot still suffering.
How could HSR save them?
Old archetype and still no dedicated support that can make them soar. Meanwhile we have Super Break getting Lingsha that is basically a monster for a lot of content! Hopefully patch 3.0+ provides.
With e6s1 kafka e1s0 black swan and e1s1 ruan mei my best score was 1704, it was nice to feel like acheron not playing acheron lmao
Holy!! E6S1 Kafka is insane, great run too!!
No offense but I think with that much vertical investment you could get 3700+. Because I saw pokke ran DoT team with lower investment and got 3500+ even though with a bit of missplay
that feels low tbh, you can prob do more. My e0s1 fei team with march e1 robin and aven can score 1742 consistently and with good luck, the version with bronya over march can net me 1799. I can also run sustainless but i dont have the spd to not die (154 spd on each to outspeed cocolia) and do a 1850+ score
This is what i said! People keep pairing kafka and BS with acheron while using DoT buff, acheron won't do nothing with them. Saying the DoT buff is bad, your choice on team is.
Anyway, great run!
More like the team is getting old. 10 cost dot only reach 3.5k? My 4 cost feixiao team with break buff can get 3.6k
@@anwarshadaad1553 i understand that the team is getting old. But what i mean to say is if you want to use DoT buff, use either someone who can buff DoT damage or another DoT applicant. Which in this video is ruan mei. You can still use guinaifen to increase the damage enemy receive while applying burn or sampo to apply vulnerability and wind shear. Both of them will work well with the DoT buff you choose. But not so much for acheron, if you want to use her go for the node 2.
Your '4 cost' feixiao team have higher score probably because the main gimmick of this Apo are increase break damage and follow-up attack. Your feixiao ultimate are considered a follow-up attack. And another thing to note feixiao have 2 different attack for her ultimate which one of it are for enemy that on weakness broken condition. Choosing break buff will benefit her more.
I can't say that this team doesn't benefit from the main gimmick of the Apo. But what they get feels less than the follow-up or break team got. That's why it's still impressive.
I'm not hating 'cost' system. But until it's a tournament, i honestly don't care about it. If you can clear with less cost usage, that's great amazing your choice for the team synergies well.
Why Jiaoqiu not used in Kafka-BS dot team? Isn't Jiaoqiu Ashen Roast is considered as permanent burn?
I don't have both Kafka-BS, i do have Jiaoqiu using him with Acheron
Jiaoqiu would be battling for a spot against characters that could fit that spot better than him by a lot. If you don't have Ruan Mei or Robin, then maybe he can fill their role, otherwise he can also go to the sustain's slot but considering how much damage bosses do in the end game, after a few turns if you aren't able to kill them, you're cooked. Sadly, I don't have Jiaoqiu to test him further, other players might have already though?
TLDR: Robin and Ruan Mei buffs would out damage him. Probably only usable if you lack those 2 big supports or you want to try sustainless teams. But overall, he's just not good for Kafka-BS Team in my opinion.
With his E2 he is a nice option
If you have his E2 then sure. Otherwise robin & ruanmei just a better choice (robin gives AA, buffs atk & dmg%. Ruan mei buffs dmg%, speed & break efficiency). E2 jiaoqiu has the upper hand if you decided to brute force content or in PF as enemies keep spawning and black swan alone cant keep up
>no DOT buff on 2nd side
Ikr
Lets goo dot run
It's crazy the amount of endgame buffs DoT has, and it's still shit 😂