As an atheist my entire life, I've always been one to argue that a world that only follows science and reason would be far better than a world that only follows religious teachings but you've made a really good point that I'm embarrassed that I've never thought of before. A world that ONLY values science has the real potential to create countless other monsters like Mengele that are allowed to openly experiment on other living people for the advancement of science because morality isn't taught in science. I guess that I must've thought that all humans have a built in sense of morality without taking into account how important religion has been to teaching morality throughout history. While I'm still an atheist, you legitimately made me sit down and really think from a different perspective so thank you.
Something that's made up to control masses and still does in 2018.. It's just sad. I used to be agnostic. Live and let live kinda mentality. But in recent years, it's turned into atheism.
I'm sorry, but are you suggesting Mengele did what he did because his scientific morality was nowhere to be found ? How about he was a psychopath with no empathy development in brain whatsoever ? How about the fact that his post doctorate research paper was based on differentiating whites on bone structure, something which was used to great effect by Goebbels ? How about just plain 'racism' ? Would he have done those atrocities had the children not been 'jews' ? Science has no business being blamed for what he and others in his party did. His morality was nowhere to be found. Scientific or otherwise.
This has to be one of the hardest subjects to talk about still to this day. But once again slayer writing songs dealing with the hard subjects that people try to hide from.
@ourworlds atwar that's a pretty....up there...accusation. he wasn't the happiest of people but *I doubt he supported the mass genocide of people based on their religion and/or race.*
@@RedDeadTrooper I don't know about his life but I heard he was a big fan of old historic events like with war medals he's a big collector and on other information about things like that. I like Kerry King but if I had to say he was the most evil one in the group . Jeff Hanneman doesn't seem that evil. Not saying they are but just attitude wise
@ourworlds atwar Jeff Hanneman,like Lemmy Kilmister collected WW2 stuff and had an interest in what happened during the years 39-45. Just because somebody has an interest in Nazi memoribilia doesn't mean they are a Nazi. If we were to base this assumption on the song Angel of Death about Mengele we should assume that he also supported the mass experimentation and atrocities carried out by Unit 731 as the also touch on this on World Painted Blood.
The interesting thing about Slayer is they talk about stuff that actually scares people: war, terrorism, the holocaust, serial killers, etc. and they do it without death growls so even someone who doesn’t listen to metal can pick up the lyrics if they listen.
Well its not growl cause its Thrash Metal, you could say the same about any Thrash band pretty much, by essence Thrash is often leftist oriented and big on war topic.
I don't have a religious bone in my body but I do greatly enjoy watching your videos and listening to you speak, I appreciate that you don't avoid subjects and approach all things with an open mind. I don't always agree with you but thats part of it. How could you expect to learn from someone who mimics every thought you have? Anyway, great video.
You guys nailed it. Congrats. If you want another good tough Slayer song to talk about, do "Dead Skin Mask". Something else that really happened and features (gasp!) good soloing from both Hanneman and King.
theres no such thing as a good slayer solo. its just supposed to be hellish and chaotic. it fits beautifully within the context of the music but, i dont think anyone has heard a slayer solo and was like "i wanna learn that"
lmlCOBHClml Seasons in the abyss has a pretty tame and good solo from both King's subtle diving and Hanneman's tapping instead of some of the more overkill solos like AOD
As a jew, I like the fact this song makes Joseph Mangle out to be the monster he was. Cudos to Slayer for taking on the horror that it was. Studio version is better btw.
I have great respect for that. Im from Queens and a lot of my friends growing up were Jewish, and NONE of them got this. Every one of them hated Slayer, because they thought it was a celebration of him. Good for you, for keeping an open mind.
OMG!! I thought you guys would never do this song!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH. This is my favorite song period, by my Favorite band period, written by my favorite song writer period. RIP Jeff Hanneman.
the thing with this song, it's a giant middle finger to the deniers, it basically says "No, this is what happened, you can't ignore it. Never again". sadly, like Sori said, similar things just keep happening, and people turn the blind eye. Also I totally agree with the comparison you made with abortion, the same people that would call me a Nazi (because I am a Catholic Conservative), also support abortions up to 9 months, I find that to be very hypocritical.
Krust bag It's so funny, that's your take away from everything I said. This is the problem with people today. Rather than have a hard conversation about reality you just immediately want to jump to an emotional trigger to dismiss all the facts. I said gassing and burning people is disgusting. They should have been sent back to Israel unharmed. That's not enough for you?
Slayer also has a song called "Unit 731" which is about the Japanese atrocities during the second world war, conducted in the name of "medical science". Their results were also incorporated into modern medicine and, maddeningly enough, their doctors were given a pass!
Slayer's drummer is probably the best drummer on history. Band members said "were not nazi. We just interest in history and world war 2." And fun fact Tom Araya is a Catholic lol
I was in Auschwitz a few months ago. The eerie sense you get, especially in the larger Auschwitz II site where 1 million people were murdered, is something very strange indeed. Most people had left the site, it was so lonely and bleak, and it was something I'll never forget. Some of the stories are horrible.......and inspiring as well.
Love channel guys, it's difficult to find this type of in depth discussion about musical content, especially in metal. As much as I enjoy your breakdowns of lyrical themes, I think it sometimes comes at the cost of talking about the actual musical content as well. While the lyrical content of this song is definable worthy of discussion, the power of the music behind it just as important (in my opinion). Tom could have been singing about how much he loves hot pockets, but that kick drum break in the middle would have made this song an instant classic anyway. I certainly wouldn't advocate changing anything about your channel or your analysis of a song's lyrics and themes, but it would be cool to hear a bit more of your take on the music as well (as I have seen in some of your other videos). Keep up the great work guys!
Watching Slayer live is insane! My favorite all time reaction is Silent Scream. The look on your faces when you realized what you were witnessing was priceless
"well, who the fuck can tell this guy if.. " HAHA, when you were point it out to the screen I start laughing because it makes the impression that you were accusing Tom Araya >.
Vin, you are well versed in Biblical topics and you put much thought into your reactions. Much respect. As a Christian myself I agree with you on most things. I could definitely hang with you and have intellectual conversation and even at times maybe agree to disagree.
Slayer have also song called ''Unit 731'' which is about Japanese experimental massacre facility. People called Auschwitz as a Holiday village while comparing with Unit 731. Somehow this place dissappeared from the history after the take over by States. I learnt this place because of Slayer.
I'm so glad to hear the balance between science and faith discussed. There were people in my church who would say they didn't ever get medical help for ANYTHING. It was something I could never reconcile with my own view. I totally agree, that wouldn't God want us to use the minds he gave us to use the resources we have to create these cures/science stuff. Just because we boil, mix, centrifuge the things that God created, it's still God's creation, right? How can this logical leap not be made as a Christian, if you really believe in the the Earth's creation according to the bible?
If there's a genre that's always spoken the truth whether past, present or future.... it's always going to be metal. No sugar coating or sweet stuff. Straight to the fucking point and that's the it's going to be.
This was the first Slayer song I ever heard. Back in the day, people would go "cruisin" Friday and Saturday nights in my smalk town un Pennsylvania. Cruisin was just going downtown and drive around the main block in town. I went with a couple of friends and his car didnt even have a radio player but he had a huge boombox in the backseat and i remember him playing this song and when they got to the middle part which slows down I was like ... what is this, Ive never heard anything like that before and it was incredible. This was the stsrt of my journey into bands like that .... Slayer, Megadeth, Celtic Frost, Testament, etc. Til I watched this video and really paid attention to what he was saying, I never really put 2 and 2 together. I knew every word he was saying, but that's it, they were just words with no meaning when I listened to it, so I just wanted to say thanks for really putting a meaning to this song for me. I really enjoy your channel and especially the talks afterwards. You guys have really made me think about alot of stuff and I am thankful for that. Anyways, I dont know if you've ever heard of either of these 2 bands but if you havent, you could give them a whirl. For Today - Break the Cycle Sleeping Giant - No love Actually pretty much any song from either of those 2 bands rock. A little story, I dont consider myself a religious person in any shape or form and I do question if I should believe or not but when i listen to either of those 2 bands (For Today and Sleeping Giant), I am moved by something that Ive never experienced anywhere else. I would love to see your reaction to either or both of these bands if they are new to you. Looking forward to many more of your videos. Rock on. P.s. and yes Ive been requesting these in other videos, never hurts to keep trying, right...lol
Check out Scissors by Emery Anything by August Burns Red, and Underoath. Also check out Demon Hunter, Norma Jean,and Oh Sleeper. Amazing bands, all of them
I love your in depth discussions as much as I love the music you review. I don't always agree with your reviews but I am greatful for the message in your discussions. Thank you both.
Really in depth conversation. I enjoyed it. Here's a fact about the song: On the Studio Version, when the guitars would make that Wobbling sound, the guitarists were trying to emulate the screams of the suffering in Auschwitz.
I am from the city where the anti-movement from the church originated. But Sori: Sadly you are wrong, Beliving in God didnt make any difference in general. The church worked together with the Nazis and they did so happily.
the so called CHURCH is actually the catholic church....not true christianity. The catholic church is a false gospel....the whore of REV. 17 and the home of THEE anti-christ...the dynasty of the PAPACY!
@@07braves48 actually the catholic church wasnt allowed to have services in nazi Germany but many protestant churches(or whatever you call them in the states) aligned themselves with nazis with some allowing the swastika to be displayed in their churches. Their was actually alot of resistance from members of the catholic church with people such as claus von stauffenberg and st edith Stein dying in their efforts
I just discovered you guys and i agree with everything you said i am a Christian and love slayer and i really don't see many religious people talk or react to slayer unlike you two.
You're a man after Gods own heart. Love your theology as always and the fact you're not afraid to share your Faith. You and Sori are soldiers for Christ. You guys prayed for me over Instagram and I took my account down but could use more prayer. Keep rocking and being real Christ honoring followers. Love you guys. Peace.
When I was a child in Poland, I remember this older lady who lived on the second floor whom I rarely saw outside - she had a tattooed number on her forearm. . . one of the lucky Auschwitz survivors. No one can tell me that "it didn't happen" when you see evidence like that. Japanese were just as bad if not worse during WWII when it comes to stuff like this - their infamous Unit 731 led by Shirō Ishii is one the most grotesque examples of that. There is a movie titled "Men behind the Sun" which is about Unit 731 - you can see the full movie on TH-cam here: th-cam.com/video/9orIdEh-yto/w-d-xo.html I must warn you though that this movie usually makes the top 10 list of the most disturbing movies ever made so it might not be something that you might be able to stomach. Here is a small scene from the movie - if you can't take it then perhaps you shouldn't see the entire movie: th-cam.com/video/xFa81ROLvIw/w-d-xo.html Interesting point of history, Russians wanted to prosecute Shirō Ishii (the Surgeon General who led Unit 731) but United States granted him immunity because they felt that he had valuable medical research knowledge. . .knowledge which United States allegedly used to develop biological agents which then were tested on North Koreans during the Korean War. One question which Vin and Sori ask is how it happened. . . my understanding that in case of Jews in Germany it began with Jews not being allowed in the swimming pool. Considering this, when I see the likes of Maxine Waters calling on democrats to confront Trump Administration members and refuse them service ( time.com/5320865/maxine-waters-confront-trump-staffers-family-separation-policy/ ) and then as a result things like this happen: th-cam.com/video/UzasHXV4Wjo/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/qCuH6jt3fs8/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/BoYYXaF_IEE/w-d-xo.html) then a cultural holocaust can certainly happen in USA. . . except that at this moment apparently the scapegoat will be the "White Christian Male".
and werent the serbians brutal around that time? i dont know if it was the serbians or some other country, but i know it was slavic. they had their own version of the holocaust. except worse. lots of throat cutting. lots of blood. lots of it. if you can find it, tell me what it is, because id love to know what exact country it happened in.
Just subscribed today but watched for a while. You get it for sure. You said it Sori when you said that metal bands bring a lot of these atrocities to light. Love you vin and sori. Wisdom
I’ve since gotten away from direct care nursing, but I spent 14 years in Hospice and Home Care and 4 in the OR. THIS song and discussion brings back one of my earliest memories when I was first starting out as a CNA. I had this one diminutive and very determined lady that only spoke in some version of Yiddish and Polish. When I met her she was fighting dementia and had forgotten how to speak English. One day she was following me up and down the halls only because it was 7:30pm and that was her bedtime. As I was helping her on with her nightgown I noticed a blackish-bluish tattoo on her forearm that was just numbers and letters. I didn’t say anything about it, finished up and got her settled in. Immediately I went to the nursing station, took out her folder with med. and personal history. I was amazed shocked at what I’d found, but suspected. Originally, she was from Poland. During WWII she and her family had been rounded up by the Nazi’s and sent to a concentration camp. This little old lady that couldn’t speak English, suffering from dementia that could barely talk anymore had been sent to and survived Auschwitz-Birkenau Concentration Camp🤯😳.! I had actually just been standing in front and helping to care for a Nazi tattooed, female survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau!!😳🤯 Her file didn’t have any more information about it other than just stating that fact. I have NO idea who else, if anyone besides her had also survived. What I did know was that I was able to experience the rare opportunity to see, meet and help care for a survivor of one of the most horrific acts in recent history.
One of my all time favorite Slayer songs. This song got me hooked on Slayer as a young teen. That's a very good point, Vin. I never thought about that, but it's true.. Thats really interesting.. I mean one of the biggest story tropes is a scientist that goes too far after their line of morality was distorted in the pursuit of knowledge.
The Black Dahlia Murder - Deathmask Devine Pallbearer - Dancing in Madness Cannibal Corpse - Unleashing the bloodthristy Watain - The light that burns the sun Burst - (we watched) the silver rain Stream of Passion - The art of loss Please
This is a story. You just can't can't listen to Angel of Death you have to do entire Album. It's 28 min Angel of Death to Raining Blood. Consider the greatest Thrash album.. FU&!ING SLAYERRRRR #RiegnInBloodentireAlbum
Ustashe too. As serbian I read a lot about death camps in Independent State of Croatia. including victims testimony. It was so sick. Beheading, slaughtering, evisceration of eyes with knife, killing with axes and hammer... They even had death camp for children called Jastrebarsko.
I wish more people gifted to study vaccines would be like Jonis Edward Salk. The man was quoted after he introduced the first successful polio vaccine by responding to a question of patency, "There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?" A true hero. One that should always be remembered and for whatever reason, we find it more fascinating to highlight and even at times worship some of the most terrible people in humankind.
Oh...whatever song from Blood Fire Death is great!!!! I think I said it way before....my favorite is The Golden Walls of Heaven....you know...that song that contains "satan" eight times
14:18 - I actually have a slight issue with the statement that "science is not designed to answer moral questions". You rephrased it later, clarified, so it's probably just a semantic issue. Science is certainly *not enough to do it on its own*, but given certain set of values that a person brings in, science [and more generally, an empirical outlook] is a great way to understand causes and their effects, and then the in/consistency of those effects with the values. In other words, empiricism doesn't produce values, but it's a great [even though imperfect] tool to tell you how to best live with your values [of course, that would be true for psychopaths as well]. On a side note, empirically speaking people do differ in the values they subscribe to. It's probably both due to nature and nurture, but your belief in objective moral values doesn't change that fact. I could ask the same question - who's to say you're right about morality? In the end it all comes down to us, humans, living in this world. It's us who feel we have or lack some values. It's us who reason about them. It's us individually who conclude whether there are objective values or not. And we differ on all that. 19:46 - human body is madly complicated. It's not easy to tell how better your body was over night vs. how better it otherwise, 'naturally' would be. Arguably, it's just as good as it could be, given the circumstances. 30:30 - as far as I can tell, value is something intrinsic to minds. So arguably, there is no value to human life *outside* of aware minds. Majority of humans do value human life of course, although often selectively, tribally. It seems to be in our nature, which we can sometimes outgrow - through reasoning among other things. As for the difference between humans and animals it's not always easy to tell - might depend on an animal. I mean, chickens are not the smartest but they are arguably aware [or at least we should give them the benefit of the doubt] and they do suffer. Most of the mammals are most definitely aware, have emotions, feel fear and pain as well. The fact that we generally value humans higher [and I do too] than animals could come from a bias ingrained in our species, but it doesn't make killing animals right either. The fact that there is value gap, doesn't imply it's right to kill them. There's a special about the cannibals and not about the people eating at KFC because eating chickens is a norm in our culture. There are cultures where eating meat is taboo.
SLAYER saved my life! As a teen I was moved from the north and brought to the South the school that I was in I did not fit in at all I was not black I was not white or native American no one really would accept me teased and picked on relentlessly I had such anger and hurt inside me I figured one day that I might blow up or implode one day I was sitting in my room really sorry for myself wondering why I can't be like everyone else my older brother walked in and asked me what was wrong first off he told stop being stupid F them I whined back like a little baby and he said hold on I'll be right back he came back in through a CD on my bed listen to this so I did I hit play and the opening rip all the little hairs on my body stood up and I was like what is this it was my first exposure to metal Slayers music gave me something I needed and I stopped caring bout other people and began caring bout me and to hell with them I honestly feel that that one moment in my life made me take a different mental path Slayer and Metal saved me Also, If you have Ghost you have everything!
I love love love youu guys. As an Atheist i really like your insight and would give you both a big hug given the chance because you both seem so thoughtful . Thank you.
Simon Harris neither did the ancient Egyptians...even pagan society’s lived by a unwritten code of treat people as you want to be treated as it was good for a stable society...
Josef Mengele actually died anonymously in my country (Brazil), after some time in Argentina and Paraguay, to where he escaped after WWII. I came to know Slayer's "Angel Of Death" around the time it came out in 1986 and got interested in the subject. Back then I went to my town's library and read a lot about WWII and the atrocities commited by the Nazis. Just like you guys said, it's a good thing music is written about historical facts like such, so it's not forgotten.
These guys are probably the most open minded and smartest Christians I think I've ever listened to. I've had the religion debate time and time again and my perspective has been that religion needs to be abolished. The morality argument is something I've never once heard and has opened my eyes to a whole new perspective, can't say I'm ever going to believe in god again, but I have a whole new view on religion and how it's necessary. Thank you Vin and Sori, cheers.
As an atheist my entire life, I've always been one to argue that a world that only follows science and reason would be far better than a world that only follows religious teachings but you've made a really good point that I'm embarrassed that I've never thought of before. A world that ONLY values science has the real potential to create countless other monsters like Mengele that are allowed to openly experiment on other living people for the advancement of science because morality isn't taught in science. I guess that I must've thought that all humans have a built in sense of morality without taking into account how important religion has been to teaching morality throughout history. While I'm still an atheist, you legitimately made me sit down and really think from a different perspective so thank you.
Appreciate you my dude !!
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Something that's made up to control masses and still does in 2018.. It's just sad.
I used to be agnostic. Live and let live kinda mentality. But in recent years, it's turned into atheism.
I'm sorry, but are you suggesting Mengele did what he did because his scientific morality was nowhere to be found ? How about he was a psychopath with no empathy development in brain whatsoever ? How about the fact that his post doctorate research paper was based on differentiating whites on bone structure, something which was used to great effect by Goebbels ? How about just plain 'racism' ? Would he have done those atrocities had the children not been 'jews' ? Science has no business being blamed for what he and others in his party did. His morality was nowhere to be found. Scientific or otherwise.
This has to be one of the hardest subjects to talk about still to this day. But once again slayer writing songs dealing with the hard subjects that people try to hide from.
@ourworlds atwar Really?
@ourworlds atwar that's a pretty....up there...accusation. he wasn't the happiest of people but *I doubt he supported the mass genocide of people based on their religion and/or race.*
@@RedDeadTrooper I don't know about his life but I heard he was a big fan of old historic events like with war medals he's a big collector and on other information about things like that. I like Kerry King but if I had to say he was the most evil one in the group . Jeff Hanneman doesn't seem that evil. Not saying they are but just attitude wise
Very well said,agreed.
@ourworlds atwar Jeff Hanneman,like Lemmy Kilmister collected WW2 stuff and had an interest in what happened during the years 39-45. Just because somebody has an interest in Nazi memoribilia doesn't mean they are a Nazi. If we were to base this assumption on the song Angel of Death about Mengele we should assume that he also supported the mass experimentation and atrocities carried out by Unit 731 as the also touch on this on World Painted Blood.
The interesting thing about Slayer is they talk about stuff that actually scares people: war, terrorism, the holocaust, serial killers, etc. and they do it without death growls so even someone who doesn’t listen to metal can pick up the lyrics if they listen.
Well its not growl cause its Thrash Metal, you could say the same about any Thrash band pretty much, by essence Thrash is often leftist oriented and big on war topic.
The studio version is much better.
greg5143 That makes 2 of us.
Agreed 1000%, 'Bardo wayyyy over Bostaph any day
Agree...Studio versions are way way better....
There's better live versions of this. The ozzfest 96 video with this on it is much better.
ShiftaelV2 That's Lombardo playing, dumbass.
"When Slayer sings about dying, you feel alive!"
May you rest in peace mr Hanneman
Jeff killed it in this performance.
I don't have a religious bone in my body but I do greatly enjoy watching your videos and listening to you speak, I appreciate that you don't avoid subjects and approach all things with an open mind. I don't always agree with you but thats part of it. How could you expect to learn from someone who mimics every thought you have? Anyway, great video.
Angel Of Death is a thrashterpiece!!!
Fun fact: Jeff Hanemans dad was a WWII vet. He stormed the beaches of Normandy.
CFH 420 I guess badassery runs in the family
Tom Araya once said that Hanneman was so engrossed in the study of Nazi Germany that he could've been a professor of Nazi History.
@@teamatfort444 how exactly was Hanneman 'badass'? Apart from playing a guitar in a metal band...
You guys nailed it. Congrats. If you want another good tough Slayer song to talk about, do "Dead Skin Mask". Something else that really happened and features (gasp!) good soloing from both Hanneman and King.
OldManTenno Ed Gein
theres no such thing as a good slayer solo. its just supposed to be hellish and chaotic. it fits beautifully within the context of the music but, i dont think anyone has heard a slayer solo and was like "i wanna learn that"
lmlCOBHClml Seasons in the abyss has a pretty tame and good solo from both King's subtle diving and Hanneman's tapping instead of some of the more overkill solos like AOD
Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.
As a jew, I like the fact this song makes Joseph Mangle out to be the monster he was. Cudos to Slayer for taking on the horror that it was. Studio version is better btw.
Juuude
What this song makes?? 😂😂😂.. You're lame.. You wish to this song makes what u said.. The truth is if Hanneman was alive he wouldn't like u at all...
I have great respect for that. Im from Queens and a lot of my friends growing up were Jewish, and NONE of them got this. Every one of them hated Slayer, because they thought it was a celebration of him. Good for you, for keeping an open mind.
@@s0cializedpsych0path why would one think that? "sickening ways to achieve the holocaust"
The imagery the lyrics give you to the actual sound of the song is insane. True masterpiece and hallmark of all metal.
OMG!! I thought you guys would never do this song!!
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH.
This is my favorite song period, by my Favorite band period, written by my favorite song writer period. RIP Jeff Hanneman.
Hail to the big homie !
the thing with this song, it's a giant middle finger to the deniers, it basically says "No, this is what happened, you can't ignore it. Never again".
sadly, like Sori said, similar things just keep happening, and people turn the blind eye.
Also I totally agree with the comparison you made with abortion, the same people that would call me a Nazi (because I am a Catholic Conservative), also support abortions up to 9 months, I find that to be very hypocritical.
Krust bag
Best riff MASTERs
1. DIMEBAG
2. IOMMI
3. HANNEMAN (still underrated somehow)
Bmetalful, you sound very eager to downplay the hateful murders that occurred.
Krust bag It's so funny, that's your take away from everything I said. This is the problem with people today. Rather than have a hard conversation about reality you just immediately want to jump to an emotional trigger to dismiss all the facts.
I said gassing and burning people is disgusting. They should have been sent back to Israel unharmed. That's not enough for you?
Slayer also has a song called "Unit 731" which is about the Japanese atrocities during the second world war, conducted in the name of "medical science". Their results were also incorporated into modern medicine and, maddeningly enough, their doctors were given a pass!
That album was improvised though, there was far less thought going into the lyrics and their structure than with AoD
Thank you guys for this discussion, God bless the both of you.
Slayer's drummer is probably the best drummer on history.
Band members said "were not nazi. We just interest in history and world war 2."
And fun fact Tom Araya is a Catholic lol
He's also Chilean and Dave Lombardo is Cuban.
Mike Portnoy would have something to say about that.
Southern Trend Productions yeah Portnoy is really good but Lombardo is a monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Professor Neil Peart would like a word
Why? They didn't even care about the music. They always make emphasis on the lyrics not the music.
I was in Auschwitz a few months ago. The eerie sense you get, especially in the larger Auschwitz II site where 1 million people were murdered, is something very strange indeed. Most people had left the site, it was so lonely and bleak, and it was something I'll never forget. Some of the stories are horrible.......and inspiring as well.
"Lego, the meaning of pain!
The way that one step makes you cry!"
Love channel guys, it's difficult to find this type of in depth discussion about musical content, especially in metal. As much as I enjoy your breakdowns of lyrical themes, I think it sometimes comes at the cost of talking about the actual musical content as well. While the lyrical content of this song is definable worthy of discussion, the power of the music behind it just as important (in my opinion). Tom could have been singing about how much he loves hot pockets, but that kick drum break in the middle would have made this song an instant classic anyway. I certainly wouldn't advocate changing anything about your channel or your analysis of a song's lyrics and themes, but it would be cool to hear a bit more of your take on the music as well (as I have seen in some of your other videos). Keep up the great work guys!
Watching Slayer live is insane! My favorite all time reaction is Silent Scream. The look on your faces when you realized what you were witnessing was priceless
"well, who the fuck can tell this guy if.. "
HAHA, when you were point it out to the screen I start laughing because it makes the impression that you were accusing Tom Araya >.
Should have done the album version instead of the live version
Break down of lyrics would be way easier
I am Catholic. I sometimes forget God's mercy is for all. Thank you.
Man I miss that Slayer lineup: Dave,Tom,Kerry and R.I.P. Jeff
One of the best segments on TH-cam that I have ever listened to. Thank you for all that you do. You have a new subscriber! 😊
Vin, you are well versed in Biblical topics and you put much thought into your reactions. Much respect. As a Christian myself I agree with you on most things. I could definitely hang with you and have intellectual conversation and even at times maybe agree to disagree.
matt bauckman I'm down for that too! I've been bugging Vin for awhile, but he's to busy smiting trolls lol
Hahhahahah
Slayer have also song called ''Unit 731'' which is about Japanese experimental massacre facility. People called Auschwitz as a Holiday village while comparing with Unit 731. Somehow this place dissappeared from the history after the take over by States. I learnt this place because of Slayer.
I'm so glad to hear the balance between science and faith discussed.
There were people in my church who would say they didn't ever get medical help for ANYTHING.
It was something I could never reconcile with my own view.
I totally agree, that wouldn't God want us to use the minds he gave us to use the resources we have to create these cures/science stuff. Just because we boil, mix, centrifuge the things that God created, it's still God's creation, right?
How can this logical leap not be made as a Christian, if you really believe in the the Earth's creation according to the bible?
If there's a genre that's always spoken the truth whether past, present or future.... it's always going to be metal.
No sugar coating or sweet stuff. Straight to the fucking point and that's the it's going to be.
EPICA - Consign to Oblivion (Live at the Zenith)
Forget everything else, Lombardo is a fucking beast 🐐
Jeff said in an interview that he didn't write these lyrics in support of the Nazis.
This was the first Slayer song I ever heard. Back in the day, people would go "cruisin" Friday and Saturday nights in my smalk town un Pennsylvania. Cruisin was just going downtown and drive around the main block in town. I went with a couple of friends and his car didnt even have a radio player but he had a huge boombox in the backseat and i remember him playing this song and when they got to the middle part which slows down I was like ... what is this, Ive never heard anything like that before and it was incredible. This was the stsrt of my journey into bands like that .... Slayer, Megadeth, Celtic Frost, Testament, etc. Til I watched this video and really paid attention to what he was saying, I never really put 2 and 2 together. I knew every word he was saying, but that's it, they were just words with no meaning when I listened to it, so I just wanted to say thanks for really putting a meaning to this song for me. I really enjoy your channel and especially the talks afterwards. You guys have really made me think about alot of stuff and I am thankful for that.
Anyways, I dont know if you've ever heard of either of these 2 bands but if you havent, you could give them a whirl.
For Today - Break the Cycle
Sleeping Giant - No love
Actually pretty much any song from either of those 2 bands rock. A little story, I dont consider myself a religious person in any shape or form and I do question if I should believe or not but when i listen to either of those 2 bands (For Today and Sleeping Giant), I am moved by something that Ive never experienced anywhere else. I would love to see your reaction to either or both of these bands if they are new to you. Looking forward to many more of your videos. Rock on. P.s. and yes Ive been requesting these in other videos, never hurts to keep trying, right...lol
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Anything by August Burns Red, and Underoath. Also check out Demon Hunter, Norma Jean,and Oh Sleeper. Amazing bands, all of them
SLAAAAAYYYYYEEEEEEEER
metalhead 03 actually it's...
FUCKING SLAAAAYYYYYYYEERRRR!!!
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russell2937 no, every slayer fan must scream SLAAAYEEER
SLAYEEEEEEERRRRRRR, AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Rip Kurt Cocaine drummer on slayers first record Slapin nuts
I love your in depth discussions as much as I love the music you review. I don't always agree with your reviews but I am greatful for the message in your discussions. Thank you both.
“Words darker than their wings” By Alter Bridge live at the Royal Albert arena
I love this channel and haven't been able to stop watching it
The pic of the dude with the mace immitated Varg Vikernes' old pic.
YYYYYEEEEEESSSSS!!!!!!! THIS IS THE REVIEW I WAS WAITING FOR!!!!!!
this song is metal masterpiece
really loved this talk Vin and Sori. Thankyou for the good brain food :)
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Really in depth conversation. I enjoyed it. Here's a fact about the song: On the Studio Version, when the guitars would make that Wobbling sound, the guitarists were trying to emulate the screams of the suffering in Auschwitz.
I am from the city where the anti-movement from the church originated. But Sori: Sadly you are wrong, Beliving in God didnt make any difference in general. The church worked together with the Nazis and they did so happily.
the so called CHURCH is actually the catholic church....not true christianity. The catholic church is a false gospel....the whore of REV. 17 and the home of THEE anti-christ...the dynasty of the PAPACY!
@@07braves48 actually the catholic church wasnt allowed to have services in nazi Germany but many protestant churches(or whatever you call them in the states) aligned themselves with nazis with some allowing the swastika to be displayed in their churches. Their was actually alot of resistance from members of the catholic church with people such as claus von stauffenberg and st edith Stein dying in their efforts
@@07braves48 Ahh gotta love the no true Scotsmen fallacy
I just discovered you guys and i agree with everything you said i am a Christian and love slayer and i really don't see many religious people talk or react to slayer unlike you two.
You're a man after Gods own heart. Love your theology as always and the fact you're not afraid to share your Faith. You and Sori are soldiers for Christ. You guys prayed for me over Instagram and I took my account down but could use more prayer. Keep rocking and being real Christ honoring followers. Love you guys. Peace.
Hope things go better for you my guy !
Soldiers of stupitidy they are !!!!! Tell about harry trouman and nucklear....
SLAYER! lots to think about. Great review as usual!
When I was a child in Poland, I remember this older lady who lived on the second floor whom I rarely saw outside - she had a tattooed number on her forearm. . . one of the lucky Auschwitz survivors. No one can tell me that "it didn't happen" when you see evidence like that.
Japanese were just as bad if not worse during WWII when it comes to stuff like this - their infamous Unit 731 led by Shirō Ishii is one the most grotesque examples of that. There is a movie titled "Men behind the Sun" which is about Unit 731 - you can see the full movie on TH-cam here:
th-cam.com/video/9orIdEh-yto/w-d-xo.html
I must warn you though that this movie usually makes the top 10 list of the most disturbing movies ever made so it might not be something that you might be able to stomach. Here is a small scene from the movie - if you can't take it then perhaps you shouldn't see the entire movie:
th-cam.com/video/xFa81ROLvIw/w-d-xo.html
Interesting point of history, Russians wanted to prosecute Shirō Ishii (the Surgeon General who led Unit 731) but United States granted him immunity because they felt that he had valuable medical research knowledge. . .knowledge which United States allegedly used to develop biological agents which then were tested on North Koreans during the Korean War.
One question which Vin and Sori ask is how it happened. . . my understanding that in case of Jews in Germany it began with Jews not being allowed in the swimming pool. Considering this, when I see the likes of Maxine Waters calling on democrats to confront Trump Administration members and refuse them service ( time.com/5320865/maxine-waters-confront-trump-staffers-family-separation-policy/ ) and then as a result things like this happen:
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then a cultural holocaust can certainly happen in USA. . . except that at this moment apparently the scapegoat will be the "White Christian Male".
Radkon Psygami wanna talk about war crimes US should be also held for its was crimes committed also
and werent the serbians brutal around that time? i dont know if it was the serbians or some other country, but i know it was slavic. they had their own version of the holocaust. except worse. lots of throat cutting. lots of blood. lots of it. if you can find it, tell me what it is, because id love to know what exact country it happened in.
Just subscribed today but watched for a while. You get it for sure. You said it Sori when you said that metal bands bring a lot of these atrocities to light. Love you vin and sori. Wisdom
All hail the master mr lombardo. R. I. P JEFF
You two are so awesome!!!! Going into such depth in this subject is incredible, my hats off to you both
Thank you !!
A first time reaction should always be the studio version.
I’ve since gotten away from direct care nursing, but I spent 14 years in Hospice and Home Care and 4 in the OR. THIS song and discussion brings back one of my earliest memories when I was first starting out as a CNA. I had this one diminutive and very determined lady that only spoke in some version of Yiddish and Polish. When I met her she was fighting dementia and had forgotten how to speak English. One day she was following me up and down the halls only because it was 7:30pm and that was her bedtime. As I was helping her on with her nightgown I noticed a blackish-bluish tattoo on her forearm that was just numbers and letters. I didn’t say anything about it, finished up and got her settled in. Immediately I went to the nursing station, took out her folder with med. and personal history. I was amazed shocked at what I’d found, but suspected. Originally, she was from Poland. During WWII she and her family had been rounded up by the Nazi’s and sent to a concentration camp. This little old lady that couldn’t speak English, suffering from dementia that could barely talk anymore had been sent to and survived Auschwitz-Birkenau Concentration Camp🤯😳.!
I had actually just been standing in front and helping to care for a Nazi tattooed, female survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau!!😳🤯 Her file didn’t have any more information about it other than just stating that fact. I have NO idea who else, if anyone besides her had also survived. What I did know was that I was able to experience the rare opportunity to see, meet and help care for a survivor of one of the most horrific acts in recent history.
Reaction starts at 4:22 ; Otherwise barber shop story, comment review, and family buys shirt for daughter that has no clue who they are.
One of my all time favorite Slayer songs. This song got me hooked on Slayer as a young teen.
That's a very good point, Vin. I never thought about that, but it's true.. Thats really interesting.. I mean one of the biggest story tropes is a scientist that goes too far after their line of morality was distorted in the pursuit of knowledge.
Slayer - " Haunting The Chapel", very underrated song!!!
Fuck yeaaaa& chemical warfare
I may not always agree with you guys but it's usually a good thing to hear people out
You guys are amazing powerful review..
Amon Amarth - Under the Northern Star 😉
Iron Maiden - Rime of the Ancient Mariner..UP THE IRONS! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
The Black Dahlia Murder - Deathmask Devine
Pallbearer - Dancing in Madness
Cannibal Corpse - Unleashing the bloodthristy
Watain - The light that burns the sun
Burst - (we watched) the silver rain
Stream of Passion - The art of loss
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Death-Lack of Comprehension
Sidenote: I keep thinking that I need to check my smoke detector battery because of that beep in your videos Lol.
Iron Maiden - Rime Of The Ancient Mariner [Flight 666 DVD]
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17:30 Indeed. To me, thats the very essence of openmindedness. Walking the middle path is more beneficial than sticking with either of the extremes.
This is a story.
You just can't can't listen to Angel of Death you have to do entire Album. It's 28 min Angel of Death to Raining Blood. Consider the greatest Thrash album.. FU&!ING SLAYERRRRR #RiegnInBloodentireAlbum
This is one of my new favorite videos!!
Shame you did a live version of this. A song this good deserves the album version so you can soak it all up.
Slayer is just badass.I've bin listening to slayer since I wz 16& I'm 51 now& they still strike a nerve.
I don’t know why y’all do the live version if you haven’t heard the studio version yet. 🤦🏻♀️
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Why not just do both. The reactions are an hour anyway whats 5 extra minutes???
“Kill one person, you’re a murderer. Kill many, you’re a conqueror. Kill them all, you’re a god” quote from megadeth
The Japanese did worse things, not justifying Mengle he can rot.
I hear you
Ustashe too. As serbian I read a lot about death camps in Independent State of Croatia. including victims testimony. It was so sick. Beheading, slaughtering, evisceration of eyes with knife, killing with axes and hammer... They even had death camp for children called Jastrebarsko.
Migils slayer unit 731
Ivan Radenkovic that’s cute compared to what Mengele did
let me guess anime right
You two just had your world rocked
Should have picked the studio version, LIve is not the best way to grasp the song or the concept behind it.
What up vin snd sori. Your reacting to a band that is dear to my heart. Angel of death. Fuck yeah. You cant get any more metal then that.
3:39 do you even realize how TRVE CVLT shit that is? This is essentially a Varg Vikernes cosplay!
I wish more people gifted to study vaccines would be like Jonis Edward Salk. The man was quoted after he introduced the first successful polio vaccine by responding to a question of patency, "There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?" A true hero. One that should always be remembered and for whatever reason, we find it more fascinating to highlight and even at times worship some of the most terrible people in humankind.
Great song. Awful that a man can make so many suffer in so disgusting ways. Btw Helloween - Keeper of the seven keys!
You guys touched on so really good angles of the whole view,great reaction
Paperclip was concerning the german rocket scientists, ie von braun
correct.
Best Slayer song ever! Brutal lyrics no doubt about that! Angel of death!
Bathory-fine day to die
Masterpiece
Oh...whatever song from Blood Fire Death is great!!!! I think I said it way before....my favorite is The Golden Walls of Heaven....you know...that song that contains "satan" eight times
Best Bathory album! Brilliant black metal, Quorthon was a genius RIP.
Nah man all of blood fire death!
Title track is epic
Now that there is my jam. Slayer is the best live band in the world. 10/10
48 hours and I will be watching this song live...can't wait.
14:18 - I actually have a slight issue with the statement that "science is not designed to answer moral questions". You rephrased it later, clarified, so it's probably just a semantic issue.
Science is certainly *not enough to do it on its own*, but given certain set of values that a person brings in, science [and more generally, an empirical outlook] is a great way to understand causes and their effects, and then the in/consistency of those effects with the values.
In other words, empiricism doesn't produce values, but it's a great [even though imperfect] tool to tell you how to best live with your values [of course, that would be true for psychopaths as well].
On a side note, empirically speaking people do differ in the values they subscribe to. It's probably both due to nature and nurture, but your belief in objective moral values doesn't change that fact. I could ask the same question - who's to say you're right about morality? In the end it all comes down to us, humans, living in this world. It's us who feel we have or lack some values. It's us who reason about them. It's us individually who conclude whether there are objective values or not. And we differ on all that.
19:46 - human body is madly complicated. It's not easy to tell how better your body was over night vs. how better it otherwise, 'naturally' would be. Arguably, it's just as good as it could be, given the circumstances.
30:30 - as far as I can tell, value is something intrinsic to minds. So arguably, there is no value to human life *outside* of aware minds. Majority of humans do value human life of course, although often selectively, tribally. It seems to be in our nature, which we can sometimes outgrow - through reasoning among other things.
As for the difference between humans and animals it's not always easy to tell - might depend on an animal. I mean, chickens are not the smartest but they are arguably aware [or at least we should give them the benefit of the doubt] and they do suffer. Most of the mammals are most definitely aware, have emotions, feel fear and pain as well.
The fact that we generally value humans higher [and I do too] than animals could come from a bias ingrained in our species, but it doesn't make killing animals right either. The fact that there is value gap, doesn't imply it's right to kill them. There's a special about the cannibals and not about the people eating at KFC because eating chickens is a norm in our culture. There are cultures where eating meat is taboo.
Very well reasoned response
Scince is giving a lot of answers, more than any Religion in the world. Science is flexible and evolves....religion is dogmatic and not evoultive
SLAYER saved my life!
As a teen I was moved from the north and brought to the South the school that I was in I did not fit in at all I was not black I was not white or native American no one really would accept me teased and picked on relentlessly I had such anger and hurt inside me I figured one day that I might blow up or implode one day I was sitting in my room really sorry for myself wondering why I can't be like everyone else my older brother walked in and asked me what was wrong first off he told stop being stupid F them I whined back like a little baby and he said hold on I'll be right back he came back in through a CD on my bed listen to this so I did I hit play and the opening rip all the little hairs on my body stood up and I was like what is this it was my first exposure to metal Slayers music gave me something I needed and I stopped caring bout other people and began caring bout me and to hell with them I honestly feel that that one moment in my life made me take a different mental path Slayer and Metal saved me
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If you have Ghost you have everything!
please react to: Iron Maiden - Caught Somewhere In Time (with lyrics) !!!!! thx
I love love love youu guys. As an Atheist i really like your insight and would give you both a big hug given the chance because you both seem so thoughtful . Thank you.
legendary slayer \m/
Jeff Hannenman love ❤❤
Morality is inherent in nature... for example, you NATURALLY wouldn’t want someone to harm you therefor you wouldn’t/shouldn’t harm them.
SLAYER are Mostly Better LIVE - DECADE OF AGRESSION - is a Great LIVE Album From 1991 -When They were in Their Prime
Dude nergal posted y'all on his Instagram!! Legendary!
React to Heaven Shall Burn - Voice of the Voiceless
Thank you so much I love this song
Black Vikings? Nah its not a racist thing, there is no blond & blue eyes african tribes either.
Kasper Ancher 😊😁😅😂😀😨😀😂😅😁😊
Mad at you? Who can be mad at you? You're such loveable people
Lol truuuuu at least sori
Cult by slayer
Seen Slayer 3 times in Chicago, very intense concert, by the way you guys are awesome!
Friendly reminder to Vin that religion isn't the only source of morals.
Super Cuts what other source do you go to?
Philosophy?
Simon Harris where were those ideas derived from?
Dirk Diggler
The greeks certainly weren't deriving them from any Abrahamic religion
Simon Harris neither did the ancient Egyptians...even pagan society’s lived by a unwritten code of treat people as you want to be treated as it was good for a stable society...
Josef Mengele actually died anonymously in my country (Brazil), after some time in Argentina and Paraguay, to where he escaped after WWII. I came to know Slayer's "Angel Of Death" around the time it came out in 1986 and got interested in the subject. Back then I went to my town's library and read a lot about WWII and the atrocities commited by the Nazis. Just like you guys said, it's a good thing music is written about historical facts like such, so it's not forgotten.
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These guys are probably the most open minded and smartest Christians I think I've ever listened to. I've had the religion debate time and time again and my perspective has been that religion needs to be abolished. The morality argument is something I've never once heard and has opened my eyes to a whole new perspective, can't say I'm ever going to believe in god again, but I have a whole new view on religion and how it's necessary. Thank you Vin and Sori, cheers.