I always appreciate it when native English speakers take the time to correctly pronunciate the Italian "gn" sound in words like "Campagnolo". Good job!
As a bike mechanic I always felt that my Campy Record 10 spd had the best feel or feedback of shift levers out of all the other options. I have seen far fewer issues of fray cables or broken cable heads with Campy shifters than others. Even though they do not provide as many parts for rebuilding shifters as they used to Campy shifters are still the easiest to clean, maintain and repair internally (as are their derailluers). Campy parts in general are more durable in the long run than others. Most models of Campy rear shifters allow shifting of more than one gear per swing of the shifter than others on mechanical. If all that remains true with this new group then it will be Campy for the win in gravel. If they do an electronic version then they need to work on improving their battery life as you rarely have to charge ETAP and only like once a year for Shimano but E Campy like every few rides. They had to do this to stay alive at all in cycling since traditional road groups are becoming less relavant every year.
i used to run 10 speed campag i had record pretty much all over aprt from the crankset which was the carbon centur one everything worked nice aprt from them cranks.
@@scottwashington7879 if you do it yourself it is. The expensive part is the labor really. For 11 speed and newer Campy stopped selling G spings and smaller parts and started selling the shifter body. So you end up moving over the shift/brake lever spoons, hoods and new cables. In those cases the lever body is like 80% of the whole shifters value so a lot of people just replace the entire thing. If you have a shop that is an authorized service center near you they can actually get the small parts inside for 11 and up saving bigger money. Derailluers are usually only worth replacing springs when they wear out. That takes like 20 years even on bikes ridden daily and a lot of people these days want a new bike by then. If you damage your mech in a crash its usually beyond repair.
@@hajzldekl I'd go with 3x8 or even 3x7 with narrower spacing making the drive side spokes symmetrical with the non drive side and preferably with the same length as the front ones. You had basically three modes with less cadence shifting inside each one.
Shimano and SRAM currently embrace the T+1 rule. Every new MTB groupset's largest cog must have one tooth more than the latest competitor's cassette. 🤣
@@matthi2358 I have tried Shimano many times for 80-100 mile rides, or 2 & 4 week loaners. Ultegra, Dura-Ace, Ultegra Di2, and Dura-Ace Di2. Now I'm on an Ultegra loaner for 2 months (I broke my frame with Campy). I hate electronic, both Di2 and SRAM, although SRAM is definitely preferable. I started with Record in 1962. Now it's Chorus and Record 12 mechanical. Campy is worth the extra time to get it and extra cost to me.
@@matthi2358 Matthi, I don't see a connection between your response and my post. I have experienced significant advantages for Campy over Shimano, and I have significant experience with both. That is not an emotional preference.
Im a shimano user but on my gravel bike it came with ekar. 1st time using it. It was different but not in a bad way. Love how its clicky and each click it shift no problem. Transition between gears are smooth when i ride it. It is comfortable. The gear it came with was 40 9/42 dont know how it will be on up hills but on road it was quick enough to ride with pack of road bikes ( long as they go 25mph and below although i had size 40 gravel tire at the time ) Might change to 38 10/44 later but sofar no complaints 😊
I'll take Campi on a bike anytime over the competition from outside Europe. Great that there are gravel components from Campi now. Hoping they'll launch MTB stuff in future, too.
I think just the fact that there are 13 gears in the back vs the 12 and 11 of Sram and Shimano will really make this group set popular. What a flex to say you have a 1x13 and it's Campy.
Campagnolo holds a dear place in the hearts of older racers. I have ridden the friction downtube shifted systems to the synchro to the brake lever shift designs. Your video displays a great potential for this Ekar groupset. I look forward to trying it soon.
I currently have campy veloce shifters operating 10 speed shimano tiagra, which I altered to 1 x after the front derailleur paddle arm snapped. I have an absolute black narrow wide oval 50t chain ring powering an 11-34t casette on my current one for all gravel bike. As a grinder, I love this set up even though there is NO easy climbing gear option... The fact that campagnolo have made this new groupset is beyond a dream come true for me... having all those smaller sprockes and then the steep climb to the larger sprockets is exactly what I need. A 9t sprocket I never thought I'd see... I could happily lose some teeth on the chain ring now and keep my fast ratios. I would probably still use an absolute black oval chain ring though as for my style of stroke it gives me a menacing advantage.
Never had a Campa component on any of my seven bikes, but this group is about to change that. I like the concept and the appeal. Mechanical means less hassle and I can actually ride the bike without configuring for 45 minutes on my smartphone using several apps
Unfortunately, Advent X will stay the biggest hidden gem in bicycle history due to not being under the branding of Sram, Shimano, etc. I work in a bike shop and I really push people buying a bike and then doing a whole package conversion to Microshift Advent X. They look at me like im nuts, and walk away smiling like hell.
Love it! When doing some gear ratio math it’s a very small difference in jump between ekar and a 2x. I hope they come with a cheaper version for us that don’t mind slightly heavier crank.
Have never had a Campagnolo groupset, but have been tempted - however, as I'm after a Gravel bike as my No1 bike, this is seriously tempting. Looks good, as most of their groupsets do; the 13 speed 1x may remove the jumps that can cause issues when using 1x.
Glad they modified the thumb shift. The previous one was paying for Campag and getting Sora in terms of changing! Hope they have improved the upshift lever as well.
Here in North America, it's so easy to get replacement parts for Shimano and Sram. If this new Campy groupset is reasonably easy to maintain and parts, whether Campy or aftermarket, can be easily found without huge tariffs then it's a nice option. I do like that thumb shifter.
The US is probably one of the most important markets for Campagnolo simply because there are more cycling enthusiasts with disposable income than any other country.
Not a gravel guy, but I think this bodes on the interesting side for the development of the road sets. Is Campy road going 13 gear? Are we getting smaller chainrings and a massive 9 tooth in the back? 44/9 gear ratio is bigger than 53/11. The way Campy does cassettes the spacing on a 13 gear could be 9-10-11-12-13-14-16-18-20-23-26-29-32. Match it with 44/34 chainset, the end result is a speed demon on descents and a mountain goat on the climbs, a jack off all trades road groupset.
Being a bit sad, I put the gear ratios into Excel to work out gear ratios. The 9-42 with 38t has a wider range than my current gravel setup of 11-32 and 48/32 chainrings. (Higher top, lower bottom) That's the first 1x groupset I've seen which does that, whilst reducing the steps between gears. Stick a 44t chainring on it and it could be a useable gear range for winter road riding (even a 42) This could be a genuine option which makes me convert to 1x for gravel. Still not going to happen on the summer bike though 😂
Loved Campag Chours, but now I have taken up mountain biking. So far MTBing is significantly more fun that road. I am considering a gravel bike and Ekar would be the way. Hopefully they will make a non carbon version that is more affordable.
Gonna go broke on this groupo but its a must have for my Raleigh RXm frameset that rests quietly in a closet waiting for Ekar. Still debating on the 1X combination. The new build will be my new commuter/touring road/logging roads bike. I've been using a 53/36/30 X 11-30 for ten years now. It's heavy and its damn hard to get replacement 36T chainrings. Then there's the cassette issues. Any range option on the Ekar will be kind to my old knees for sure.
@@glennoc8585 as are many with 10 Spd and even 9... however the aim for any business is to continue to be the big dog and make more money. Shimano were the dominant brand however Sram and Campag are taking back some of that market share
Nice, sadly just put GRX di2 on my Racemax Exploro, albeit with a 9-45 Leonardi cassette, this I would have preferred although am really not liking that down shift lever?
Stoked to see Campy finally released their gravel groupset! My biggest question didn't get answered in the video: How many downshifts can you do in one movement with that thumb lever? Cheaper Campy models can only do 1, while more expensive ones can do several (which is my favourite part about the levers). The things that Campy missed in this groupset: - No spidering. If you have a 1x groupset you don't want bolts that can come loose over time. My main issue with them is even that 38T is the absolute smallest chain ring that will fit, while I would be interested in fitting smaller when visiting steep and high mountains on holidays (or when carrying a lot of heavy luggage while bikepacking). Also non-spidering looks ugly and outdated in my opinion. - The rotors don't seem to have any special cooling technology in them for long descents. If they're the same width I would prefer to ride these with Shimano Ice-tech Freeza rotors. That said, Campy feels better than any other brand in my opinion and 13 speed will indeed allow a bigger gear range with smaller gaps. I would be more than happy to upgrade my gravel bike to this groupset, al though I would keep my own cranks and rotors.
The thumb lever shifts one gear at a time, Campagnolo said this was a better choice for rough roads, presumably so you don't accidentally shift multiple gears. Note that it's technically an upshift (to a harder gear), not a downshift! Although we realise people often swap these terms as a downshift is actually moving 'up' the cassette. Thanks for watching!
@@bikeradar Thank you for your quick reply. It's my favourite part about Campy levers, but their explanation makes sense indeed. Also thanks for explaining, didn't know I was using the wrong verb :)
Do you see a similar groupset in a road bike? 50 chainring front (only) with the 9-42 cassette. You will be able to remove the 34 ring in the front. What do you think guys?
It's fun to have a massive top gear. You can grind along and be going 30mph on the flats. Or you can use it to pedal progressively faster and faster on descents until you die lol. I used to have a 60x11 top gear, 50x9 would be even a little bigger than that.
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That 13 speed chain is going to be expensive, hard to find and will wear out fast, especially on gravel. I use an 8 speed on gravel. It's way cheaper and more reliable.
Everyone worried about this with 11spd too and they ended up lasting longer than 10, and 12spd chains are lasting even longer than 11 so there is no reason to believe 13 spd would be worse.
My mtb has a 9 tooth. Idk about road, but for me the top gear is often 0% efficient since you’re spinning out so the extra range is worth it regardless. Weight savings for the same range is also noticeable.
One question I have that I haven't heard explained... is the proprietary freehub compatible with any existing hub brands? If I wanted to upgrade the group on an existing bike do I need new wheels as well? Thank you!
I run an E.13 9-42 on my gravel bike and it works great. I run a 44t chainring and have more range than a 53x11. jumps in gears don't bother me a bit because I also ride mountain bikes.
The nine teeth cog provides additional range without needing a huge size of the biggest cog. It's a disadvantage that new hubs are needed. I don't know how big the losses are compared to 10 or 11 teeth but it's the highest gear and on gravel or with luggage I don't think I'll put a lot of power in while using it. It would be more for pedaling along on a slight descent.
Not into gravel bikes so maybe I'm saying somthing stupid, but it looks like they are trying to evolve a ciclocross bike into a mountain bike. Why didn't these bikes start out with a XC mountain bike base instead? I mean, just looking at it you can see it will eventually get a sloped top tube for confort, longer reach, shorter stem, slacker geometry, wider tires, and why not.. front suspension.
Those bikes already existed, They are called cross-hybrids and i still have one. It was the best bike for gravel grass or urban riding. coming in at roughly 10-11kg with tyres very similar to current gravel bikes. www.cube.eu/nl/2020/bikes/tour/cross/cube-cross-sl-bluenlime-2020/ basically a more modern equiv. to what i have. ironically they've become heavier. But a modern gravel bike with their road bike roots are just more efficient at high speeds. Obviously at the cost of more money and less comfort.
Approached a few manufacturers and asked if they're able to put these on their bikes for me and they gave me a big fat no (Ribble, Canyon...) waiting and hoping Planet-X are willing to stick this on their Tempest or Hurricane.
Marshall, that's funny, because Campy has always had a reputation for better reliability and durability than Shimano road groups. I am guessing that you have very limited experience with Campy.
@@jerryc.5210 But Shimano is do available that if you have a warranty issue you get a part replaced within a few days, in my country at least. Guys in my group that have campagnolo had nightmares with warranty issues and getting a part can take a while.
If they make a flatbar shifter and brakelever and make their up and coming road 13 speed completely interchangeable with the gravel stuff. Then I would become a true believer in campagnolo. That would make them better then the competition in my eyes. Then i could make a bike how i want it to be, road, gravel or mtb.
You could absolutely use it for road if you wanted to, but the advantages of 1x are arguably clearer on gravel. Also, there's no real need for a clutch derailleur on the road.
Things are moving in the right direction. However, I don't see the point of this gearing as I don't see the point of the 9t and I guess it has a 10t sprocket on a gravel bike. I hardly use my 11t sprocket on my current 1x setup with 38t CR. Who pedals downhill at 60kph on a gravel road? Just coast and try not to crash.
Would love to see Campy do a bit differently with the cassette; the 9 seems silly, so rather than expand the range just to claim a greater range than the competition - ‘well, SRAM now has 520%, but we have 540%’ ,(the dialogue is getting a bit Spinal Tappish “Our amps go to 11”), why not start with a useful 10 and tighten the intervals between cogs within the existing range of 520%, for instance. They don’t need to blow out the extremes of the range to make both a more useful and more impressive product.
There isn't just more mechanical loss with the smaller cog. There's also a loss in durability. If component makers cared about actual performance, chainrings and cassettes would be getting bigger, not smaller.
There is only so much clearance you can have for your rear derailleur with a huge cog. 50 tooth didnt come until 26 inch was completely phased out for a reason. No one wants a derailleur that rises 2 cm from the ground.
I think i found my new groupset for my Pinarello Dogma F12 - I actual use Sram Force 1 with a 10-42 Cassette but. This new Campa would be a gamechanger!!! Love to see them on the market for a little under the retail price!
Check out e*thirteen for crazy range 11 speed groups, they've had a 9-46 for years at this point on the XD platform. Not cheap, but beautiful and stupid light. Campy is the first to take a 9t mainstream, but even Aliexpress cassettes (check out ZTTO) have been doing it for a while.
I feel like the front derailleur is under rated. It gives a huge range for such a small weight penalty and is very reliable. Yes, there is gear redundancy but it's nice to know that if there's an issue with a front ring you can still use the other to get home.
since hambini everybody think shimano is the best and you can get sram parts for cheap - for me sram force group with 10-42 and 44t in the front works super good. In general they all good (enough)+++ Better buy some nice wheels if you wanna go faster...
Sure its pretty nice stuff but to expencive for mud/gravel. And almost no where to be bought here in the netherlands where i can get a shimano/sram cassette and chain combo at the local supermarket for 60/70 euro... 10 muddy 100km rides and they are done. My guess is that campa is at least double that money. I would get it if i lived in italy where the wearher is better and they sell it in the shops👍
I see one problem there. I use my gravel to travel and fitting a front bag will be a bit problematic having that kind of shifter with the lever for downshift exposed like this. Actually, I think, that with a front bag it would be almost unusable till you use really wide flare bars. May you please try to fit a front bag like Apidura for example?
Even the 10t on my SRAM Force groupset feels pretty rough. I had 9t on an e13 MTB cassette and it felt bad but I never used it. I know they add it so they have the range they want, but its not very useful.
If you haven’t done a ton of shifting with Campy’s systems it is impossible to convince you that Campy has by far the finest ergonomic feel of all the biggies. You just have to put time in and in tons of situations.
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I always appreciate it when native English speakers take the time to correctly pronunciate the Italian "gn" sound in words like "Campagnolo". Good job!
Then they ruin everything by shortening it to "campag" or the ridiculous "campy"...
@@dlevi67 And pronouncing 'derailleur' with an extra syllable - "duh-rail-EEE-uhr' instead of "duh-rail-uhr".
@@dlevi67 OOOHHHH MATRON! is what always comes to my mind when Septics attempt to be cool with it.
13 speed? Truly amazing. I've only recently upgraded from 3x9 to 2x10. A 1x13 sounds like a dream!
Now I can go from road to gravel and stick with ”Campa” as we say in Sweden. I’m in! 🇮🇹👌🏻
As a bike mechanic I always felt that my Campy Record 10 spd had the best feel or feedback of shift levers out of all the other options. I have seen far fewer issues of fray cables or broken cable heads with Campy shifters than others. Even though they do not provide as many parts for rebuilding shifters as they used to Campy shifters are still the easiest to clean, maintain and repair internally (as are their derailluers). Campy parts in general are more durable in the long run than others. Most models of Campy rear shifters allow shifting of more than one gear per swing of the shifter than others on mechanical. If all that remains true with this new group then it will be Campy for the win in gravel. If they do an electronic version then they need to work on improving their battery life as you rarely have to charge ETAP and only like once a year for Shimano but E Campy like every few rides. They had to do this to stay alive at all in cycling since traditional road groups are becoming less relavant every year.
It’s awesome that Campy stuff is rebuildable but is anything lower than Chorus or Record really worth repairing?
i used to run 10 speed campag i had record pretty much all over aprt from the crankset which was the carbon centur one everything worked nice aprt from them cranks.
You are not a bicycle mechanic, your little sister is though.
@@scottwashington7879 if you do it yourself it is. The expensive part is the labor really. For 11 speed and newer Campy stopped selling G spings and smaller parts and started selling the shifter body. So you end up moving over the shift/brake lever spoons, hoods and new cables. In those cases the lever body is like 80% of the whole shifters value so a lot of people just replace the entire thing. If you have a shop that is an authorized service center near you they can actually get the small parts inside for 11 and up saving bigger money. Derailluers are usually only worth replacing springs when they wear out. That takes like 20 years even on bikes ridden daily and a lot of people these days want a new bike by then. If you damage your mech in a crash its usually beyond repair.
@@ellerybice3787 hahahhah!
Its the G+1 rule, G being the number of gears you currently have.
Haha
I'll just leave this here: 3x9 = 27
@@hajzldekl I'd go with 3x8 or even 3x7 with narrower spacing making the drive side spokes symmetrical with the non drive side and preferably with the same length as the front ones. You had basically three modes with less cadence shifting inside each one.
I would prefer a more robust 9 speed version as well.
If you can do bikepackingtrips on a singlespeed than 9 speed is more than you can wish for!
Shimano and SRAM currently embrace the T+1 rule.
Every new MTB groupset's largest cog must have one tooth more than the latest competitor's cassette. 🤣
A definite must have for me. Been on Chorus for 18+ years and never looked back. Campy all the way for reliability, performance and joy.
@@matthi2358 I have tried Shimano many times for 80-100 mile rides, or 2 & 4 week loaners. Ultegra, Dura-Ace, Ultegra Di2, and Dura-Ace Di2. Now I'm on an Ultegra loaner for 2 months (I broke my frame with Campy). I hate electronic, both Di2 and SRAM, although SRAM is definitely preferable. I started with Record in 1962. Now it's Chorus and Record 12 mechanical. Campy is worth the extra time to get it and extra cost to me.
@@matthi2358 Matthi, I don't see a connection between your response and my post. I have experienced significant advantages for Campy over Shimano, and I have significant experience with both. That is not an emotional preference.
Im a shimano user but on my gravel bike it came with ekar. 1st time using it. It was different but not in a bad way. Love how its clicky and each click it shift no problem. Transition between gears are smooth when i ride it. It is comfortable. The gear it came with was 40 9/42 dont know how it will be on up hills but on road it was quick enough to ride with pack of road bikes ( long as they go 25mph and below although i had size 40 gravel tire at the time )
Might change to 38 10/44 later but sofar no complaints 😊
I'll take Campi on a bike anytime over the competition from outside Europe. Great that there are gravel components from Campi now. Hoping they'll launch MTB stuff in future, too.
I think just the fact that there are 13 gears in the back vs the 12 and 11 of Sram and Shimano will really make this group set popular. What a flex to say you have a 1x13 and it's Campy.
For me it’s the 9tooth. It ads a super high speed gear on a bike made for crawling through mud :D
This is awesome! It ticks a lot of boxes for me.
Campagnolo holds a dear place in the hearts of older racers. I have ridden the friction downtube shifted systems to the synchro to the brake lever shift designs. Your video displays a great potential for this Ekar groupset. I look forward to trying it soon.
This might be good enough, and well priced enough, to tempt me back to Campag.
I currently have campy veloce shifters operating 10 speed shimano tiagra, which I altered to 1 x after the front derailleur paddle arm snapped. I have an absolute black narrow wide oval 50t chain ring powering an 11-34t casette on my current one for all gravel bike. As a grinder, I love this set up even though there is NO easy climbing gear option... The fact that campagnolo have made this new groupset is beyond a dream come true for me... having all those smaller sprockes and then the steep climb to the larger sprockets is exactly what I need. A 9t sprocket I never thought I'd see... I could happily lose some teeth on the chain ring now and keep my fast ratios. I would probably still use an absolute black oval chain ring though as for my style of stroke it gives me a menacing advantage.
I like Ekar a lot, and there’s clearly a fair bit of tech in there, I just wish it looked more ‘Campagy’
Never had a Campa component on any of my seven bikes, but this group is about to change that. I like the concept and the appeal. Mechanical means less hassle and I can actually ride the bike without configuring for 45 minutes on my smartphone using several apps
mechnical is the best.....too many other electrical things ....
A 13-speed that goes from 9-36. *Laughs in Microshift advent*
Unfortunately, Advent X will stay the biggest hidden gem in bicycle history due to not being under the branding of Sram, Shimano, etc.
I work in a bike shop and I really push people buying a bike and then doing a whole package conversion to Microshift Advent X. They look at me like im nuts, and walk away smiling like hell.
@@timprice944 that's what I'll be using on my next build....almost went 1x13 SRide lol
Box 1 prime would be a gem if it was cheaper lol
@@PghMtbRides yeah i have it on my build. Absolute steal. A mate of mine just bought a trance x adv pro and immediately swapped it to advent X
Love it! When doing some gear ratio math it’s a very small difference in jump between ekar and a 2x. I hope they come with a cheaper version for us that don’t mind slightly heavier crank.
Have never had a Campagnolo groupset, but have been tempted - however, as I'm after a Gravel bike as my No1 bike, this is seriously tempting. Looks good, as most of their groupsets do; the 13 speed 1x may remove the jumps that can cause issues when using 1x.
This is what i wanted to see.. Hybrid of rotor 13 speed & e13 cassette. Epic 👏
Next step? Make it electronic...
About time yes please I’ll have one 👍😊
just put my kidneys on ebay !!!! can't wait to get this
Campagnolo Ekar 13v very nice 🔝🔝🔝🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
I think this is the best gravel group set available now
Glad they modified the thumb shift. The previous one was paying for Campag and getting Sora in terms of changing! Hope they have improved the upshift lever as well.
Here in North America, it's so easy to get replacement parts for Shimano and Sram. If this new Campy groupset is reasonably easy to maintain and parts, whether Campy or aftermarket, can be easily found without huge tariffs then it's a nice option. I do like that thumb shifter.
The US is probably one of the most important markets for Campagnolo simply because there are more cycling enthusiasts with disposable income than any other country.
Not a gravel guy, but I think this bodes on the interesting side for the development of the road sets. Is Campy road going 13 gear? Are we getting smaller chainrings and a massive 9 tooth in the back? 44/9 gear ratio is bigger than 53/11. The way Campy does cassettes the spacing on a 13 gear could be 9-10-11-12-13-14-16-18-20-23-26-29-32. Match it with 44/34 chainset, the end result is a speed demon on descents and a mountain goat on the climbs, a jack off all trades road groupset.
Being a bit sad, I put the gear ratios into Excel to work out gear ratios.
The 9-42 with 38t has a wider range than my current gravel setup of 11-32 and 48/32 chainrings. (Higher top, lower bottom)
That's the first 1x groupset I've seen which does that, whilst reducing the steps between gears.
Stick a 44t chainring on it and it could be a useable gear range for winter road riding (even a 42)
This could be a genuine option which makes me convert to 1x for gravel. Still not going to happen on the summer bike though 😂
thumb shifting in the drops!!! like it.
I wonder if sprinters like this concept?
p.s. thank you for the review.
i think they do. thats why di2 has sprint shifters.
It’s an awesome step for Campagnolo. I’m in the process of upgrading to Chorus 12 so maybe I should have waited?
E-thirteen offer a 9t on their MTB cassette
I run one of thier 9-42 cassettes on my gravel bike, and it works great.
Profile has had 9t drivers in bmx since like 2001. Cant believe it took the big wheeled world this long
Loved Campag Chours, but now I have taken up mountain biking. So far MTBing is significantly more fun that road. I am considering a gravel bike and Ekar would be the way. Hopefully they will make a non carbon version that is more affordable.
This is great! Best brakes on the market, combined with proper 1x gearing, no need for proprietary hub (ahem Rotor). I'm sold!
As someone who rides over 10k miles a year, and is a top bike mechanic, Attila would know what are the "best brakes on the market".
Great looking Groupset. I have this going on my Steel Curve GXR in June. Nice review 🙌
That sounds like a great combination! Use the hashtag #bikeradarbuilds we'd love to see the bike built up
Gonna go broke on this groupo but its a must have for my Raleigh RXm frameset that rests quietly in a closet waiting for Ekar. Still debating on the 1X combination. The new build will be my new commuter/touring road/logging roads bike. I've been using a 53/36/30 X 11-30 for ten years now. It's heavy and its damn hard to get replacement 36T chainrings. Then there's the cassette issues. Any range option on the Ekar will be kind to my old knees for sure.
I’m starting a savings account.
The correct pronunciation!!
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veeery intersting ^_^ sadly, there's no Campagnolo distributors in our town...but if they were, i would like to test this groupset!
Sram 12 speed, Campag 13 speed and Shimano still sticking with 11. When will Shimano update their groupsets
Many are happy with 11 spd
@@glennoc8585 as are many with 10 Spd and even 9... however the aim for any business is to continue to be the big dog and make more money. Shimano were the dominant brand however Sram and Campag are taking back some of that market share
Nice, sadly just put GRX di2 on my Racemax Exploro, albeit with a 9-45 Leonardi cassette, this I would have preferred although am really not liking that down shift lever?
Gotta ask, how are speedplay cleats on gravel? Heard that the cleats are bad for gravel riding.
Stoked to see Campy finally released their gravel groupset!
My biggest question didn't get answered in the video: How many downshifts can you do in one movement with that thumb lever?
Cheaper Campy models can only do 1, while more expensive ones can do several (which is my favourite part about the levers).
The things that Campy missed in this groupset:
- No spidering. If you have a 1x groupset you don't want bolts that can come loose over time. My main issue with them is even that 38T is the absolute smallest chain ring that will fit, while I would be interested in fitting smaller when visiting steep and high mountains on holidays (or when carrying a lot of heavy luggage while bikepacking). Also non-spidering looks ugly and outdated in my opinion.
- The rotors don't seem to have any special cooling technology in them for long descents. If they're the same width I would prefer to ride these with Shimano Ice-tech Freeza rotors.
That said, Campy feels better than any other brand in my opinion and 13 speed will indeed allow a bigger gear range with smaller gaps. I would be more than happy to upgrade my gravel bike to this groupset, al though I would keep my own cranks and rotors.
The thumb lever shifts one gear at a time, Campagnolo said this was a better choice for rough roads, presumably so you don't accidentally shift multiple gears. Note that it's technically an upshift (to a harder gear), not a downshift! Although we realise people often swap these terms as a downshift is actually moving 'up' the cassette. Thanks for watching!
@@bikeradar Thank you for your quick reply. It's my favourite part about Campy levers, but their explanation makes sense indeed. Also thanks for explaining, didn't know I was using the wrong verb :)
I’m really into this group! Really considering a new build
Curious when they come on the marked with an electronic Ekar.
Do you see a similar groupset in a road bike? 50 chainring front (only) with the 9-42 cassette. You will be able to remove the 34 ring in the front. What do you think guys?
It's fun to have a massive top gear. You can grind along and be going 30mph on the flats. Or you can use it to pedal progressively faster and faster on descents until you die lol. I used to have a 60x11 top gear, 50x9 would be even a little bigger than that.
A different question... what is the brand of the bicycle you've used in the film?
Hi Mateusz, it is a Specialized S-Works Diverge - keep an eye out for a review in the near future on the Diverge! Thanks for watching, from all at BikeRadar!
That 13 speed chain is going to be expensive, hard to find and will wear out fast, especially on gravel. I use an 8 speed on gravel. It's way cheaper and more reliable.
I agree that "8 is great" but what gear range are you getting?
Everyone worried about this with 11spd too and they ended up lasting longer than 10, and 12spd chains are lasting even longer than 11 so there is no reason to believe 13 spd would be worse.
James, it sounds as if you have bought, used, worn out, and replaced the chain. Right?
Although I initially scoffed at 13 speeds, I'm definitely interested in trying it, having ridden Campy road components for over 25 years.
Campag gravel group set sounds good to me with the ultra torque b/b. it should be bullet proof but can be a pain to set up.
I had never considered a gravel bike....until Ekar came along.
What is the guitar riff in the beginning of the video
My mtb has a 9 tooth. Idk about road, but for me the top gear is often 0% efficient since you’re spinning out so the extra range is worth it regardless.
Weight savings for the same range is also noticeable.
Sprinters will spin a 10 and 9 tooth. The loss does make a difference.
One question I have that I haven't heard explained... is the proprietary freehub compatible with any existing hub brands? If I wanted to upgrade the group on an existing bike do I need new wheels as well? Thank you!
I love to have that bike someday sir..😊
the crank looks like an after thought, should be direct mount rings to allow for smaller tooth chainrings, the 9t rear cog is just stupid
I run an E.13 9-42 on my gravel bike and it works great. I run a 44t chainring and have more range than a 53x11. jumps in gears don't bother me a bit because I also ride mountain bikes.
The nine teeth cog provides additional range without needing a huge size of the biggest cog. It's a disadvantage that new hubs are needed. I don't know how big the losses are compared to 10 or 11 teeth but it's the highest gear and on gravel or with luggage I don't think I'll put a lot of power in while using it. It would be more for pedaling along on a slight descent.
I love it but how to explain that I need it to my wife? 🤷
Just tell her to choose between that and a whole new bike
Just adopt my mantra... My money, my business.
Bring her away to somewhere exotic -heat , sun , sandy beech’s -Ireland
Is she a front derailleur lover?
Kamil Adam appologize afterwards
with a shimano micro spline hub you also have a 10t chainring
Will it become a electronic groupset???
Not even gonna watch this. I just finally had upgraded to 12sp 🤣🤣
I would love to have this set on my bike but it's like buying a whole new bike.
I use a 2x10 on my steel Genesis, 1x doesn't give enough range for proper offroad riding imho
Maybe,
Mtb soon?
When campagnolo will produce a MTB dedicated group set, I’ll buy the bike with it
That will be when Colnago build a MTB; probably never.....
@@Andy_ATB im pretty sure colnago have built a mtb before
Wow now the only thing I'm missing is a Vaast A/1 with this campagnolo genius groupset maybe the best replacement for my e-13 9 to 46
I've got a Vaast and was thinking the same thing! Double chainring or Campy? I've got Campy on an old road bike and it is really nice.
what about a sram mountain biking sx, nx, gx, xo1 or xx1 10 to 52 and the the sx and nx are 11 to 50 a lot cheaper and a lot more range
Hope ni the future..there is Ekar eps...
I think speed play would work for about 5 minutes on my gravel routes.
Yes and yes.
always ridden shimano so always wondered if the shifter gets in the way of your thumb when on the hoods...looks really in the way..
Nah. They put it exactly where you don’t have fingers, and exactly within reach from hoods and drops. It’s nice.
Well at least now I know what I want from Santa!
The commercial issue is OEM on bike
I would choose Campa. 13 x 1 is fine for me.
1x isn't for me at all if I'm not on mtb, but the gruppo looks great!
Not into gravel bikes so maybe I'm saying somthing stupid, but it looks like they are trying to evolve a ciclocross bike into a mountain bike. Why didn't these bikes start out with a XC mountain bike base instead? I mean, just looking at it you can see it will eventually get a sloped top tube for confort, longer reach, shorter stem, slacker geometry, wider tires, and why not.. front suspension.
Those bikes already existed, They are called cross-hybrids and i still have one.
It was the best bike for gravel grass or urban riding. coming in at roughly 10-11kg with tyres very similar to current gravel bikes.
www.cube.eu/nl/2020/bikes/tour/cross/cube-cross-sl-bluenlime-2020/
basically a more modern equiv. to what i have. ironically they've become heavier.
But a modern gravel bike with their road bike roots are just more efficient at high speeds. Obviously at the cost of more money and less comfort.
Approached a few manufacturers and asked if they're able to put these on their bikes for me and they gave me a big fat no (Ribble, Canyon...) waiting and hoping Planet-X are willing to stick this on their Tempest or Hurricane.
Very nice indeed.
What wheelset is that beauty on???
It's Campagnolo's Shamal DB that launched a couple of months ago. Thanks for watching!
them discs look ugly ..is that part of the groupset ?
I'd choose Shimano GRX ahead of Campi anything simply based on historic reliability.
Marshall, that's funny, because Campy has always had a reputation for better reliability and durability than Shimano road groups. I am guessing that you have very limited experience with Campy.
@@jerryc.5210 But Shimano is do available that if you have a warranty issue you get a part replaced within a few days, in my country at least. Guys in my group that have campagnolo had nightmares with warranty issues and getting a part can take a while.
Campy is as reliable, more refined
If they make a flatbar shifter and brakelever and make their up and coming road 13 speed completely interchangeable with the gravel stuff. Then I would become a true believer in campagnolo. That would make them better then the competition in my eyes. Then i could make a bike how i want it to be, road, gravel or mtb.
Methinks a small boutique brand like Paul might design flatbar shifter and brake levers for the campy 13 spd group.
A curiosity: the Ekar is just in front of the city of Asiago, where the famous cheese was invented... ;-)
Yes. Cima Ekar is 2-3 km South East from Asiago. It’s one of the peaks surrounding the “Altopiano of Asiago” (Asiago Plateau)
....7 Comuni..... " Altopiano dei 7 COMUNI "
Can you credit the music in the video description? I really liked the track used here.
1- Empyreal Glow - Acoustic Silence. 2- Empyreal Glow - Wax On Wicks 👍
@@bikeradar Thanks a lot!
I don't get why this isn't for road. What makes it gravel?
You could absolutely use it for road if you wanted to, but the advantages of 1x are arguably clearer on gravel. Also, there's no real need for a clutch derailleur on the road.
Things are moving in the right direction. However, I don't see the point of this gearing as I don't see the point of the 9t and I guess it has a 10t sprocket on a gravel bike. I hardly use my 11t sprocket on my current 1x setup with 38t CR. Who pedals downhill at 60kph on a gravel road? Just coast and try not to crash.
Would love to see Campy do a bit differently with the cassette; the 9 seems silly, so rather than expand the range just to claim a greater range than the competition - ‘well, SRAM now has 520%, but we have 540%’ ,(the dialogue is getting a bit Spinal
Tappish “Our amps go to 11”), why not start with a useful 10 and tighten the intervals between cogs within the existing range of 520%, for instance. They don’t need to blow out the extremes of the range to make both a more useful and more impressive product.
There isn't just more mechanical loss with the smaller cog. There's also a loss in durability. If component makers cared about actual performance, chainrings and cassettes would be getting bigger, not smaller.
There is only so much clearance you can have for your rear derailleur with a huge cog. 50 tooth didnt come until 26 inch was completely phased out for a reason. No one wants a derailleur that rises 2 cm from the ground.
@@Kyros9119 50 tooth wasn't relevant until they decided they wanted to sell everyone 1x. You have the cart before the horse.
I think i found my new groupset for my Pinarello Dogma F12 - I actual use Sram Force 1 with a 10-42 Cassette but. This new Campa would be a gamechanger!!! Love to see them on the market for a little under the retail price!
Check out e*thirteen for crazy range 11 speed groups, they've had a 9-46 for years at this point on the XD platform. Not cheap, but beautiful and stupid light.
Campy is the first to take a 9t mainstream, but even Aliexpress cassettes (check out ZTTO) have been doing it for a while.
They have 12 speed versions now too and they’re great
Who else first read XD as a big smile and had to reread the phrase?
that was some serious video....
13speed, wow! That's where 2× is really becoming dispensable.
Rotor has had 13 speed for ages... Nobody cares.
make electronic shifting less relevant as well
Nathan Brown but this is Campagnolo, people will care.
@@kidShibuya and I've seriously considered Rotor. Rotor system is very expensive and requires using their hubs to use 13.
I feel like the front derailleur is under rated. It gives a huge range for such a small weight penalty and is very reliable. Yes, there is gear redundancy but it's nice to know that if there's an issue with a front ring you can still use the other to get home.
since hambini everybody think shimano is the best and you can get sram parts for cheap - for me sram force group with 10-42 and 44t in the front works super good.
In general they all good (enough)+++ Better buy some nice wheels if you wanna go faster...
Sure its pretty nice stuff but to expencive for mud/gravel. And almost no where to be bought here in the netherlands where i can get a shimano/sram cassette and chain combo at the local supermarket for 60/70 euro... 10 muddy 100km rides and they are done. My guess is that campa is at least double that money. I would get it if i lived in italy where the wearher is better and they sell it in the shops👍
I'd ride that.
Jesus how much...... I can buy a fully equipped shimano grx bike for that money
Remembering there are three levels of GRX, no? Not all GRX is the same.
Campag chose a jinxed number to return to dirt.
One more gear and I'll admit double chainring to be obsolete.
I see one problem there. I use my gravel to travel and fitting a front bag will be a bit problematic having that kind of shifter with the lever for downshift exposed like this. Actually, I think, that with a front bag it would be almost unusable till you use really wide flare bars. May you please try to fit a front bag like Apidura for example?
Even the 10t on my SRAM Force groupset feels pretty rough. I had 9t on an e13 MTB cassette and it felt bad but I never used it. I know they add it so they have the range they want, but its not very useful.
the ergonomics on the SRAM are hard to beat, and this looks like it doesn't.
If you haven’t done a ton of shifting with Campy’s systems it is impossible to convince you that Campy has by far the finest ergonomic feel of all the biggies. You just have to put time in and in tons of situations.
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@@bikeradar Don't listen to the whiners, keep making great content! People will always bitch and moan for nothing.