@@yayorandel6048 You say *God could forgive anyone he wants* - Everybody knows that you're not speaking the truth, that includes yourself :). 👉 *Hebrews 9:22* In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, *and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.*
@@yayorandel6048 The unjust god is the one who punishes the innocent and let the guilty sleep like an innocent baby at night. 😉 👉 *Proverbs 17:15* 15 *Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent-* *THE LORD DETESTS THEM BOTH!!!*
@@yayorandel6048 that's why Justice isn't the only attribute of Allah Alhamdullilah... he emphasizes his mercy more then anything else in the Qur'an. We're not hypocrites... we don't boast that we have a free ticket to Paradise. We know that ''theoretically'' dying upon Islam will grant us Paradise (eventually) but in practice we could never claim to be saved because that would take away from our struggle and effort to do good and please Allah We also realize that we don't deserve paradise if it was only up to God's Justice which is why we pray for God's mercy upon us.
@@Shady_Anderson Please study the most holiest of SABBATHS i.e. YOM KIPPUR ALL SIN is forgiven by putting them on the head of a LIVE AZAZEL GOAT (Scapegoat)...that LIVE GOAT is then taken to the wilderness...and the LIVE GOAT is RELEASED ALIVE Leviticus 16:20 - 22… 20… And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: 21...And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: 22...And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. If the Christians wanted to say that they are following how SIN is forgiven in the TORAH...they should've said that Jesus (PBUH) was taken to the wilderness and RELEASED ALIVE
The major problem with this is that jesus pbuh dying according to christians , tbh is no big event because god could do this all day everyday . I hope you get what i‘m saying
"If you're not bound to the consequences of your action, what would encourage you to lead a just life, when the unjust one is surely more fun?" - Plato, The Republic A book that was written even before the time of Jesus already foresee that problem.
There is a clear cut difference between an intelligent person that wants to know the trtuh , and an intelligent person that runs away from the truth. The arguments of the muslim brother were very clear, concise, logical, and follow the fitra. The christian guy clearly is intelligent , to the point that he knows brother Hashim is right, but his Nafs won't let him submit to the lord Allah.
A criminal invades a home and kills everyone except for the small 2 year old kid. Then the judge rules that to forgive the man he shouldn’t be jailed or hanged but the 2 year old kid will be killed and he will be forgiven 😅😅😅. What utter delusion.. how can you fool yourself into believing this nonesense?
@@miko67 he's actually struggling with himself to believe whatever he had said, his rational mind told him to believe bro hashim but his Ego say no.."I can't accept what this lowly "mosslemm" said". Such a sad state of a human being he is..thinking but not really thinking..so so sad.
Maasha Allah ustaad Hashim. You can't escape from the trinity hunters. He conceded that there's no forgiveness in Christianity I don't know why he's still so adamant to talk about it. Once you concede a point move on and don't bring it back. Good job. 👍
Xtian guy : there is no pure forgiven in Islam Hashim : Islam teaching that Allah can purely forgive all sins other than shirk Xtian guy : NO, you can not have that, sins have to be punished Hashim : according to ? Xtian guy : Xtian teaching Hashim : ??????????????? [sabr] We the viewers do know perfectly convincingly that the Xtian guy understand how struggling to evade and explain the teachings of church he has to defend
In Islam, when you commited a sin, for example murder, you make a sin to God, to the person you killed, and to people who cares to the person you killed. God can forgive you if you repents The family can forgive you but the one you killed can't back to life so you can't get forgiveness from them, so there will be justices for that in other hand, if Jesus sacrifice (as christian mentioned) can forgive it all, then there will be no justice
What a complexity. If I was not a Muslim now and bro hashim explained it to me like this I would take the shahaada straight away because Islam makes full sense. How can God kill himself? And how can a perfect man pay for the sin of the world doesn't make sense?
Oh Hashim you said it all, explained everything perfectly...each time this young man spinning all around, keep asking different questions and rcvd perfect answers from you bt it seems he does nt understand OR make believe hs idea is right when not...
Say: “O 'Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, verily Allah forgives ALL sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And turn in repentance and in obedience with true Faith (Islamic Monotheism) to your Lord and submit to Him, (in Islam), before the torment comes upon you, then you will not be helped.” S. 39:53-54💯☝🏼
Brother Hashim, at 29:33 when Luca gives the example of a dad bailing out his son and consequently incurring the punishment for his crime i.e. the penalty he has to pay to bail out his son, so in a sense he's taking the punishment of his son upon himself as Luca puts it, in a response to that you could have asked him: wouldn't then the son wrong his father for making him pay for his bail and be indebted to him and therefore either return him the money or ask his forgiveness? If the dad made the payment out of love then he can simply forgive his son without asking his money back which means one can forgive someone without the payment or punishment, but if the dad asks his money back then eventually it was the son who made the payment and it was just a matter of arrangement of money at the time. ,so there's no substitutionary atonement here because in substitutionary atonement when your sins are imputed on the substitution you're forgiven once and for all and you don't have to pay back to the one who substituted you for your punishment. So that was a false analogy.
Imagine in christianity jesus is God he was killed by his creations because of other's sins which he created by him self that not just ( if he is a God he can forgive without shedding his own blood ) May Allah bless and rewards you brother Hashim as usually you are the best
I'm 3 minutes into this video and I'm cringing already at the Christian. There is always a long-winded sophistical argument for how salvation works in Christianity
proud to be muslim simply and make sense, when muslims commited sins of injustice to fellow humans for example, muslims have to paying for their sins with their rewards(pahala) of their good deeds. then the weight of the scales determines heaven or hell.
If all sin of all mankind have been taken away by Jesus, then what was purpose of God built The Hell? Christians do believe about 'The Judgement Day'. What is the purpose of The Judgrment Day if all sin of all mankind have been taken away by Jesus?
What is he trying to twist? The argument is clear. The explanation is on point and base on reality and common sense. What kind of logic this christians has? How can when someone who already repent and already being forgive by the victim still has a debt/sins to god? Does he think repentance to god and asking forgiveness to the victim in islam cant wipe out the sins? Where did he read that? Base on which islamic scriptures?
I think Christian apologists are the best in the world when it comes to playing with words and dodging questions. Is it something they are trained for?
His brain is hurting,has to be. Alhamdulilah Hashim. I don’t know how you’re able to KEEP repeating the point. May ALLAH reward you. Those whom ALLAH guides,none can misguide Those whom ALLAH leads astray,none can guide
One more analogy from this guy and I'll have to rush to the hospital. Blessed efforts Brother Hashim, and may Allah SWT Gives You the patience and Sabr for their evasion on the most obvious and most basic. 👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 49* فَمَا لَهُمْ عَنِ التَّذْكِرَةِ مُعْرِضِينَ Now, what is the matter with them that they are turning away from the reminder, 👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 50* كَأَنَّهُمْ حُمُرٌ مُسْتَنْفِرَةٌ as if they were spooked zebras 👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 51* فَرَّتْ مِنْ قَسْوَرَةٍ fleeing from a lion? 👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 52* بَلْ يُرِيدُ كُلُّ امْرِئٍ مِنْهُمْ أَنْ يُؤْتَىٰ صُحُفًا مُنَشَّرَةً In fact, each one of them wishes to be given a ˹personal˺ letter ˹from Allah˺ for all ˹to read˺. 👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 53* كَلَّا ۖ بَلْ لَا يَخَافُونَ الْآخِرَةَ But no! In fact, they do not fear the Hereafter. 👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 54* كَلَّا إِنَّهُ تَذْكِرَةٌ Enough! Surely this ˹Quran˺ is a reminder. 👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 55* فَمَنْ شَاءَ ذَكَرَهُ So let whoever wills be mindful of it. 👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 56* وَمَا يَذْكُرُونَ إِلَّا أَنْ يَشَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ هُوَ أَهْلُ التَّقْوَىٰ وَأَهْلُ الْمَغْفِرَةِ But they cannot do so unless Allah wills. He ˹alone˺ is worthy to be feared and entitled to forgive.
Concept of Christianity makes even a smart, intellectually sound and a humble man looks so dumb ,illogical and confused . May Allah guide these stubborn church programmed puppets . Ameen
This Christian man obviously clueless to answer questions from Bro Hashim and keep talking nonsense without knowing that Bro Hashim is one of the Bible Specialists in the Speaker Corner.
Dear Christians, there is a big difference between forgiveness and paying a debt and they are not the same thing. If you owe me money there is 2 options, either I'll forgive you or ask you the payment, but asking the payment doesn't remotely express any forgiveness, I simply took what's rightfully mine. In another example, to shed more light, if I got PNCHD by a person intentionally and I wanna revenge back, I'm gonna PNCH that same person back and not anybody else, even if somebody volunteered to take the PNCH back, I would still PNCH the person who PNCHD me and nobody else! Or, I can forgive that person and let it go peacefully. That's the meaning of forgiveness. In the case of the crucifixion, which is nothing more than a fabrication invented by the Churches built by Paul, it's a "payment of blood". Simply put, you get sick and Jesus pbuh takes the injection? You steal money and Jesus pbuh goes to jail? It's a blood payment for condemning the innocent and acquitting the guilty. You cannot call this neither forgiveness nor love. We don't have to go very far, we can look below and check what the Bible says. 👇👇👇 👉 *Proverbs 17:15* 🤔😏😂 15 *Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent-* *THE LORD DETESTS THEM BOTH!!!*
If I asked the payment then we settled and I didn't forgive, if I forgave then I didn't ask the payment even though we didn't settle (By paying me back what's rightfully mine). If I asked the payment, nobody can blame me because it's my right and justice states to take it back, if I forgave then I took a higher cause by forgiving your shortage that you cannot pay me. Unlucky for the people that altered the Bible, God PBTH is The Just and A Merciful God according to the Bible itself! Paying me back while I act that I forgave you is a terribly invalid statement! Forgiveness can only happen when there is a shortage of paying back, if you paid back then this is called a settlement and not forgiveness. Simply, the 2 cannot gather in the same sentence, ever. 💥 God PBTH Forgave sins inside the Bible without any blood or a payment and that's the core essence of forgiveness. 👉 *1 Kings **8:28**-61* 28 Yet give attention to *your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy, Lord my God* 33 “When your people Israel have been defeated by an enemy *because they have sinned against you, and when they turn back to you and give praise to your name, praying and making supplication to you in this temple, 34 then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your people Israel and bring them back to the land you gave to their ancestors.* 35 “When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain *because your people have sinned against you, and when they pray toward this place and give praise to your name and turn from their sin because you have afflicted them, 36 then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your servants, your people Israel.* Teach them the right way to live, and send rain on the land you gave your people for an inheritance. 37 “When famine or plague comes to the land, or blight or mildew, locusts or grasshoppers, or when an enemy besieges them in any of their cities, whatever disaster or disease may come, 38 and *when a prayer or plea is made by anyone among your people Israel-being aware of the afflictions of their own hearts, and spreading out their hands toward this temple- 39 then hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Forgive and act;* deal with everyone according to all they do, since you know their hearts (for you alone know every human heart), 40 so that they will fear you all the time they live in the land you gave our ancestors. 46 “When they sin against you-for there is no one who does not sin-and you become angry with them and give them over to their enemies, who take them captive to their own lands, far away or near; 47 and if they have a change of heart in the land where they are held captive, and repent and plead with you in the land of their captors and say, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong, we have acted wickedly’; 48 and if they turn back to you with all their heart and soul in the land of their enemies who took them captive, and pray to you toward the land you gave their ancestors, toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name; 49 then from heaven, your dwelling place, hear their prayer and their plea, and uphold their cause. 50 *AND FORGIVE YOUR PEOPLE , WHO HAVE SINNED AGAINST YOU ; FORGIVE ALL THE OFFENSES THEY HAVE COMITTED AGAINST YOU* , and cause their captors to show them mercy; 51 for they are your people and your inheritance, whom you brought out of Egypt, out of that iron-smelting furnace. *52 “May your eyes be open to your servant’s plea and to the plea of your people Israel, and may you listen to them whenever they cry out to you.* 54 When Solomon had finished all these prayers and supplications to the Lord, he rose from before the altar of the Lord, *where he had been kneeling with his hands spread out toward heaven.* 55 He stood and blessed the whole assembly of Israel in a loud voice, saying: 56 “Praise be to the Lord, who has given rest to his people Israel just as he promised. Not one word has failed of all the good promises he gave through his servant Moses. 57 May the Lord our God be with us as he was with our ancestors; may he never leave us nor forsake us. 58 *May he turn our hearts to him, to walk in obedience to him and keep the commands, decrees and laws he gave our ancestors.* 59 And may these words of mine, which I have prayed before the Lord, be near to the Lord our God day and night, that he may uphold the cause of his servant and the cause of his people Israel according to each day’s need, 60 so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is no other. 61 And may your hearts be fully committed to the Lord our God, to live by his decrees and obey his commands, as at this time.” 👉 *1 Kings 9:1-9* When Solomon had finished building the temple of the Lord and the royal palace, and had achieved all he had desired to do, 2 the Lord appeared to him a second time, as he had appeared to him at Gibeon. 3 The Lord said to him: *“I have heard the prayer and plea you have made before me;* I have consecrated this temple, which you have built, by putting my Name there forever. My eyes and my heart will always be there. *6 “But if you or your descendants turn away from me and do not observe the commands and decrees I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 7 then I will cut off Israel from the land I have given them and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name.* Israel will then become a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. 8 This temple will become a heap of rubble. All[c] who pass by will be appalled and will scoff and say, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this land and to this temple?’ 9 People will answer, ‘Because they have forsaken the Lord their God, who brought their ancestors out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them-that is why the Lord brought all this disaster on them.’” 👉 *2 Chronicles **6:21* *Hear the supplications of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place.* Hear from heaven, your dwelling place; and when you hear, *forgive.* 👉 *2 Chronicles **6:25* then *hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your people Israel* and bring them back to the land you gave to them and their ancestors. 👉 *2 Chronicles **6:27* then *hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your servants, your people Israel.* Teach them the right way to live, and send rain on the land you gave your people for an inheritance. 👉 *2 Chronicles **6:30* then *hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Forgive,* and deal with everyone according to all they do, since you know their hearts (for you alone know the human heart), 👉 *2 Chronicles **6:39* then *from heaven, your dwelling place, hear their prayer and their pleas, and uphold their cause. And forgive your people, who have sinned against you.* 👉 *2 Chronicles **7:14* if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and *pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin* and will heal their land. 👉 *Psalm 25:11* For the sake of your name, *Lord, forgive my iniquity, though it is great.* 👉 *Psalm 32:1* *Blessed is the one whose transgressions are forgiven,* whose sins are covered. 👉 *Psalm 79:9* Help us, God our Savior, for the glory of your name; *deliver us and forgive our sins for your name’s sake.* 👉 *Psalm 103:3* *who forgives all your sins* and heals all your diseases, 👉 *Psalm 130:4* *But with you there is forgiveness,* so that we can, with reverence, serve you. 👉 *Isaiah 33:24* No one living in Zion will say, “I am ill”; *and the sins of those who dwell there will be forgiven.* 👉 *Jeremiah 5:1* “Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look around and consider, search through her squares. *If you can find but one person who deals honestly and seeks the truth, I will forgive this city.* 👉 *Jeremiah 31:34* No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord. *“For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”* 👉 *Jeremiah 33:8* *I will cleanse them from all the sin they have committed against me and will forgive all their sins of rebellion against me.* 👉 *Jeremiah 36:3* Perhaps when the people of Judah hear about every disaster I plan to inflict on them, *they will each turn from their wicked ways; then I will forgive their wickedness and their sin.”* 👉 *Jeremiah 50:20* In those days, at that time,” declares the Lord, “search will be made for Israel’s guilt, but there will be none, and for the sins of Judah, but none will be found, *for I will forgive the remnant I spare.* 👉 *Daniel 9:19* Lord, listen! *Lord, forgive!* Lord, hear and act! For your sake, my God, do not delay, because your city and your people bear your Name.” 👉 *Hosea 14:2* Take words with you and return to the Lord. Say to him: *“Forgive all our sins and receive us graciously,* that we may offer the fruit of our lips. 👉 *Amos 7:2* When they had stripped the land clean, I cried out, *“Sovereign Lord, forgive!* How can Jacob survive? He is so small!” 👉 *Micah **7:18* *Who is a God like you, who pardons sin and forgives the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance?* You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy. 👉 *Exodus 10:17* Now *forgive my sin once more and pray to the Lord your God* to take this deadly plague away from me.” 👉 *Exodus 34:9* “Lord,” he said, “if I have found favor in your eyes, then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, *forgive our wickedness and our sin,* and take us as your inheritance.”
The complexity is that you christian say u put an innocent man on a cross for the sin of the world for your forgiveness so u can carry on sinning because "God put his son on the cross to forgive your sin" That's not justice thats inhumane. For me as a Muslim I take the punishment for what I did wrong and I repent of my sin to Allah and surely if I am sincere Allah will forgive me. Thanks to Allah for Islam 🙏
I feel bad for Luca, back on the days maybe 4 or 5 years ago when i first Saw him with brother Hashim discuss i think he Will not brainwashed but unfortunately he is.
Hashim should have mention the known 4 conditions of "EL-tawba" so that Allah may accept the siner's repentance. In Islam that Allah may forgive you. The conditions are: -1- Stop doing sin immediately -2- Regretting doing the sin -3- Determination to not go back to do the sin -4- giving people their right Now After doing this Allah will accept your tawaba and you will not be punched in after life. However if someone caught doing sin in this life the law should apply on him even if he did tawaba. because Islam want to preserve society.
IF SOME ONE ASK YOU TO GIVE HIM A REAL LIVE DEFINITION OF A SUNDAY SCHOOL TO A CHRISTIAN JUST SHARE WITH HIM THE LINK. THAT REALLY WAS AMAZING.IT'S REALLY OBVIOUS THAT THE GUY PREPARE TO THIS DISCUSSION A LONG TIME BUT EVEN THOU HE GET STOCK AND START REPEATING THE ARGUMENTS HE MEMORIES AND PLAY WORD GYMNASTIC
Dear Christians, *WAS JESUS RAISED IN THE SPIRIT OR IN A PHYSICAL BODY?* Peter declares that Jesus PBUH was “put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit”. This seems to imply that Jesus did not rise in the flesh, but only in His spirit, which conflicts with Jesus’ statement that his body was “flesh and bones” (Luke 24:39). 👉 *1 Peter 3:18* For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. *He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.* 👉 *Luke 24:39* *Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”*
Let's see... Adam and Eve was kicked out of the garden of edan.. (heaven) (Punishment #1) Adam was punished (working hard for his bread. (All men) (Punishment #2) Eve was punished (with labor pains) (all women) (punishment #3) Remind me again why did the creator had to become his creation to pay (die) for the original sin when punishment was already dealt to Adam and Eve ??
Counter argument to third party resolution: Since the father paid for it, you're now technically owe your father. Your father had to suffer for you, justice still hasn't served.
Even the case of murder in Islam, there is forgiveness from Allah - hadith of the man who killed 100 people was forgiven and granted Jannah because he turned to Him for repentance.
the third party was not "FORCED" to pay. if your dad does not want to pay you will still be punished; however, in the case of Jesus based on the Christian Doctrine of the crucifixion, he was FORCED to take that punishment. Second of all in the Analogy, if your father gave you the money as a mode of father and son relationship, the TRAFFIC FINE is still under the "SON" name its not under your "FATHER". he doesn't really own that penalty. I dont know how this is not clear to the Christians.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله وبركاته Brother Hashim, Allah can forgive any sin including murder if he wants. Remember the story of a man who killed 100 people and he was forgiven by Allah without asking to be forgiven by any of those 100 people. Khawar
Muslim narrated from ‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘As (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The martyr will be forgiven for all his sins except debt.” Al-Nawawi said in Sharh Muslim: The words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) “except debt” draw attention to all rights owed to other people. Jihad (fighting for Allah’s cause), martyrdom and other righteous deeds do not expiate for transgressions against the rights of other people, rather they only expiate for transgressions against the rights of Allah. End quote. Read more here: islamqa.info/en/answers/65649/expiation-for-transgression-against-rights-of-others
His Christian belief is against his own bible. *“Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin"* -Deuteronomy 24:16 *"But the sons of the slayers he did not put to death, according to what is written in the book of the Law of Moses, as the Lord commanded, saying, “The fathers shall not be put to death for the sons, nor the sons be put to death for the fathers; but each shall be put to death for his own sin.”* - 2 Kings 14:16 *"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself"* - Ezekiel 18:20
because love in the Creator is greater than justice - and Joshua agreed to this himself. Someone without sin had to pay - like Adam at the very beginning. Such is the law for sin is death - for the sins of the world the death of a man without sin. Even God is not above his law.
"The description of Christianity-of how a sense of debt is transformed into an abiding sense of guilt, and guilt to self-loathing, and self-loathing to self-torture. Why, for instance, do we refer to Christ as the “redeemer”? The primary meaning of “redemption” is to buy something back, or to recover something that had been given up in security for a loan; to acquire something by paying off a debt. It is rather striking to think that the very core of the Christian message, salvation itself, the sacrifice of God’s own son to rescue humanity from eternal damnation, should be framed in the language of a financial transaction." "God sacrificing himself for the guilt of human beings, God paying himself back with himself, God as the only one who can redeem man from what for human beings has become impossible to redeem-the creditor sacrificing himself for the debtor, out of love (can people believe that?), out of love for his debtor!" "The problem is that the premise is insane."
Say him, there are 2 kind of sin...1. sin hambluminallah / vertical relationship between human and God...ex. dissobey pray, ujub, not fasting in ramadhan etc....that's God forgiveness absolutely....2.sin habluminannas / horisontal relationship between human and human...ex. stealing, killing, mocking etc..there are God forgiveness and human forgiveness
Which one sounds influenced by Satan? “Forgive me for my wrongdoing I sincerely admit fault for my own actions” or “I’m forgiven by being drenched in the blood of an innocent god man from Palestine”…
- I do not perform my salah. Ya Allah please forgive me… OK - I do not fast during ramadhan. Ya Allah please forgive me… OK - I eat pork. Ya Allah please forgive me… OK - I commit murder. Ya Allah please forgive me… SEEK FORGIVENESS FROM HIS FAMILY FIRST, THEN WE’LL TALK Because in some cases Allah lay down some conditions before forgiving us, for example in the case of murder when the victims are other human beings, this guy concludes that pure forgiveness is an impossibility. When you sinned against Allah, Allah will forgive you if you’re sincere and regretful. If you sinned against another human being Allah can’t forgive you unless you seek forgiveness FROM THEM first, because that won’t be just, is it? What is so hard to understand?
I think it’s simple. Allah not immediately forgiving a sin you commit against someone else’s shows his mercy and justice to the afflicted party and Allah forgiving a sin done to him shows his foregiveness. Whereas with Christianity Jesus dying in the cross is a payment by blood because A) Jesus didn’t want to die on the cross and foregive everyone’s sins and B) he had no choice whether or not he could foregive those sins by dying on the cross. If someone is forced to “forgive” sins is that really just?
💥 *WHAT WAS THE SALVATION, PRIOR TO JESUS PUBH, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE?* On the time of Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Moses, PBUT All! Who would dare to say that all these Blessed Prophets of God PBTH wasn’t sent with Salvation from God PBTH? If their salvation wasn’t through believing in a fairy-tail crucifixion of a god son, since they lived and died WAY before Jesus PBUH incarnation (According to the Bible and Christian Theology ONLY), then what was their Salvation and the Salvation for the people they were sent to? The answer is, again, in the Bible! Why are they blaspheming against God PBTH by claiming that He can’t forgive, Exaltation to God PBTH! Is there anyone who can deny God PBTH, The Most High, from forgiving sins to whomever He Wills? They have portrayed The Most-High PBTH, as unjust, cruel, unmerciful and incapable, Exaltation to God PBTH! 💥 *They have formed an idol, with their own hands, inside The Scriptures of God PBTH, and worshiped it! In the same way you form an idol of clay with your own hands! THEY ONLY USED PENS INSTEAD OF CLAY!* 💥 *Unjust and cruel!* For punishing an innocent person instead of the guilty person! Not to mention that this innocent person is his own son (According to your beliefs!). What do you call a Judge in a Court who would sentence an innocent person over The Electric Chair instead of the real criminal that killed? Unjust, Unfair, Crooked, Bent, Disfigured, Cruel, Malformed, Ill, Sick, Fraudulent, Deceitful, Illegal, Distorted, Dishonest and Craft Judgement? Judicial Misconduct and Judicial Corruption? I’m seeing a Christian Missionary jumping off his chair, now, and objecting while saying “This Judge in a court can’t do anything out of the ordinary and can’t change the law, he is simply following the law but God PBTH can do whatever He wills”. Partly true, but this is what we call Truth used to justify falsehood! That Christian Missionary doesn’t realize that HE JUST SHOT HIS OWN LEG in two major points! 1-If he is claiming that God PBTH is capable of doing whatever He Wills (which is totally true!), then, using the same measure and standard, He is capable on forgiving the guilty without punishing an innocent! 2-This Christian Missionary is simply portraying a human Judge in a court (which is following the law and would be questioned by higher authorities if he broke it) as more Just, Upright and Righteous than God PBUH (The Creator of the laws and Legislator and The Only One Who may question without being questioned!), which is plain day dreaming and Blasphemy! EXALTATION TO GOD PBTH FROM WHAT THEY CLAIM! Heavens and Earth would collapse from such words if they knew! Let’s see what today’s Bible says about Justice! 👉 *Proverbs 17:15* 15 *Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent-* *THE LORD DETESTS THEM BOTH!!!* 👉 *Psalm 50:3-6* 3 Our God comes and will not be silent; a fire devours before him, and around him a tempest rages. 4 He summons the heavens above, and the earth, that he may judge his people: 5 “Gather to me this consecrated people, who made a covenant with me by sacrifice.” 6 *And the heavens proclaim his righteousness,* *FOR HE IS A GOD OF JUSTICE.* 👉 *Proverbs 29:14* 14 If a king judges the poor with fairness, his throne will be established forever. 👉 *Proverbs 31:9* 9 *Speak up and judge fairly;* *defend the rights of the poor and needy.* 👉 *Job 8:3* 3 *Does God pervert justice?* *Does the Almighty pervert what is right?* 👉 *Job **34:12* 12 *IT IS UNTHINKABLE THAT GOD WOULD DO WRONG,* *THAT THE ALMIGHTY WOULD PER### JUSTICE.* 👉 *Job **37:23* 23 The Almighty is beyond our reach and exalted in power; *IN HIS JUSTICE AND GREAT RIGHTEOUSNESS, HE DOES NOT OPPRESS.* 👉 *Psalm 11:7* 7 *For the LORD is righteous,* *HE LOVES JUSTICE;* *the upright will see his face.* 👉 *Psalm 33:5* 5 *The LORD loves righteousness and justice;* *the earth is full of his unfailing love.* 👉 *Psalm 50:6* 6 *And the heavens proclaim his righteousness,* *FOR HE IS A GOD OF JUSTICE.* 👉 *Psalm 140:12* 12 *I know that the LORD secures justice for the poor* *and upholds the cause of the needy.* 👉 *Proverbs 17:23* 23 *The #$#%$#% accept bribes in secret* *to per### the course of justice.* 💥 *Unmerciful and incapable for forgiving sins?* If God Willed to forgive and to show His Ultimate Mercy and Forgiveness, who would DARE to deny him from doing so? Is there ANYONE superior to God PBTH that may question God PBTH why did you forgive this and that? Exaltation to God, He forgives whomever He Wills! Who inspired them to portray God PBTH in this horrible image but satan? Cruel, unmerciful and incapable? Who said that, in order for God PBTH to forgive sin, an innocent human BLD must be shed? You see, it always brings us back to paganism concepts, shedding more light on who altered the Bible and for what reason! Even an animal sacrifice was NEVER a must! God PBTH is The God of the rich and the poor, both have salvation and have a 24/7 WIDE OPEN DOOR to seek forgiveness from God PBTH, whether the person can afford to sacrifice an animal for The Sake of God PBTH or not! It’s ONLY a form of piousness that would ONLY benefit the poor and not God PBTH! When Muslims sacrifice an animal in the Sake of God PBTH, like in Eid Al-Adha, the biggest portion of the meat goes to the poor who can’t afford to eat meat! Neither the meat, nor the skin, nor the BLD benefits The Almighty PBTH in anything. Let’s check what Allah SWT has said in The Qur’an! 👉 👉 👉 *Chapter 22 The Pilgrimage سورة الحج - Al-Hajj: Verse 37* لَنْ يَنَالَ اللَّهَ لُحُومُهَا وَلَا دِمَاؤُهَا وَلَٰكِنْ يَنَالُهُ التَّقْوَىٰ مِنْكُمْ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ سَخَّرَهَا لَكُمْ لِتُكَبِّرُوا اللَّهَ عَلَىٰ مَا هَدَاكُمْ ۗ وَبَشِّرِ الْمُحْسِنِينَ It is not their meat nor their BLD, that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His Guidance to you and proclaim the good news to all who do right.
May Allah bless br.Hashim with health and long life
the christian keeps mentioning that we muslims limit God but actully he is the one whos limiting God by saying that God CANT forgive without blood
@@yayorandel6048 You say *God could forgive anyone he wants* - Everybody knows that you're not speaking the truth, that includes yourself :).
👉 *Hebrews 9:22*
In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, *and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.*
@@yayorandel6048 The unjust god is the one who punishes the innocent and let the guilty sleep like an innocent baby at night. 😉
👉 *Proverbs 17:15*
15 *Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent-*
*THE LORD DETESTS THEM BOTH!!!*
@@yayorandel6048 that's why Justice isn't the only attribute of Allah Alhamdullilah... he emphasizes his mercy more then anything else in the Qur'an.
We're not hypocrites... we don't boast that we have a free ticket to Paradise. We know that ''theoretically'' dying upon Islam will grant us Paradise (eventually) but in practice we could never claim to be saved because that would take away from our struggle and effort to do good and please Allah
We also realize that we don't deserve paradise if it was only up to God's Justice which is why we pray for God's mercy upon us.
@@Shady_Anderson
Please study the most holiest of SABBATHS i.e. YOM KIPPUR
ALL SIN is forgiven by putting them on the head of a LIVE AZAZEL GOAT (Scapegoat)...that LIVE GOAT is then taken to the wilderness...and the LIVE GOAT is RELEASED ALIVE
Leviticus 16:20 - 22…
20… And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:
21...And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
22...And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
If the Christians wanted to say that they are following how SIN is forgiven in the TORAH...they should've said that Jesus (PBUH) was taken to the wilderness and RELEASED ALIVE
The major problem with this is that jesus pbuh dying according to christians , tbh is no big event because god could do this all day everyday . I hope you get what i‘m saying
Brother Hashim is too sharp, smart, and shrewd. Masha'allah, may allah protect him
"If you're not bound to the consequences of your action, what would encourage you to lead a just life, when the unjust one is surely more fun?"
- Plato, The Republic
A book that was written even before the time of Jesus already foresee that problem.
First I thought this guy was sincere, then his true colours came shining through.
True colours...
Al humdulillaah excellent show! Ustadh hashim is always educating me.
That christian made me so angry.
He Has no logic and he knows a little about his book.
May Allah guide him to the truth🙏
As you and I can see, the Father of confusion is Satan and that's the state of present day Christianity. Satan has taken over Christianity.
JazakAllahu khairan
Alhamdullillah brother hashim! Alhamdullillah may Allah reward you abundantly aminn
at the end of the day.. killing innocent human being like Jesus is unjustified..
@@therighteousrighthand yup..even worse..the killing of Jesus Christ is planned by his own father
جزاكم الله خيرا
Thanks!
Always appreciate people who can help those people who share Knowledge of Islam financially.
brother hashim jazakAllahhukhair for good information.
It was game over when the christian guy have the example of the xbox
*اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ*
*اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ*
*اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ*
*اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ*
*اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ*
Br.Hashim has very patience for this person may Allah give him Jannah and mercy.
May ALLAH bless you brothers
This guy is hilarious 😂 he said God forgiving sin is an impossibility and he says it violates the law of non-contradiction where's the A and not A.
Wow a Christian arguing against contradictions 😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀
There is a clear cut difference between an intelligent person that wants to know the trtuh , and an intelligent person that runs away from the truth. The arguments of the muslim brother were very clear, concise, logical, and follow the fitra. The christian guy clearly is intelligent , to the point that he knows brother Hashim is right, but his Nafs won't let him submit to the lord Allah.
Using his analogy... A kid stole a bar of chocolate... And a dude paid the stolen chocolate with his lives?? 🙄🤔.. so much for justice ⚖️
A criminal invades a home and kills everyone except for the small 2 year old kid. Then the judge rules that to forgive the man he shouldn’t be jailed or hanged but the 2 year old kid will be killed and he will be forgiven 😅😅😅.
What utter delusion.. how can you fool yourself into believing this nonesense?
@@miko67 he's actually struggling with himself to believe whatever he had said, his rational mind told him to believe bro hashim but his Ego say no.."I can't accept what this lowly "mosslemm" said". Such a sad state of a human being he is..thinking but not really thinking..so so sad.
Justice is only relevant when harm has been done. God forgiving us is JUST, as we cannot harm Allah.
BRO AFTER 44 MIN AND 39 S THE GUY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT FORGIVENESS MEANS LOL 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
man... why are they sooooo lost??
This argument is the best arguments against "the loving God of Christianity"
Literally 😂😂
May Allah guide him
Amin🤲
A gift is a sacrifice omg lmao 😂😂
He keeps on streching his analogies on and on and on until they break down
May Allah bless u and ur family,
And make spots free for u and ur family.
i learned so much from u.
I love this christian guy, he is so nice. I pray that God will guide him. He deserves to be in Jannah. Amiin.
Ameen.
Maasha Allah ustaad Hashim. You can't escape from the trinity hunters. He conceded that there's no forgiveness in Christianity I don't know why he's still so adamant to talk about it. Once you concede a point move on and don't bring it back. Good job. 👍
Mashallah brother Hashim looks handsome and slim..
So what happens to people who died before Jesus and who never saw or believed in Jesus in the trinitarian Christian belief?
Xtian guy : there is no pure forgiven in Islam
Hashim : Islam teaching that Allah can purely forgive all sins other than shirk
Xtian guy : NO, you can not have that, sins have to be punished
Hashim : according to ?
Xtian guy : Xtian teaching
Hashim : ??????????????? [sabr]
We the viewers do know perfectly convincingly that the Xtian guy understand how struggling to evade and explain the teachings of church he has to defend
In Islam, when you commited a sin, for example murder, you make a sin to God, to the person you killed, and to people who cares to the person you killed.
God can forgive you if you repents
The family can forgive you
but the one you killed can't back to life so you can't get forgiveness from them, so there will be justices for that
in other hand, if Jesus sacrifice (as christian mentioned) can forgive it all, then there will be no justice
Jesus is God. Jesus kiled himself on the cross to take off other people sin. To whom Jesus pay that 'ransom'? To pay to himself?
💀💀💀💀💀
Yup makes no sense
Christian: We don't talk about that it's forbidden 🙊.
What a complexity. If I was not a Muslim now and bro hashim explained it to me like this I would take the shahaada straight away because Islam makes full sense.
How can God kill himself? And how can a perfect man pay for the sin of the world doesn't make sense?
May Allah swt guide him. All of his arguments and analogies were very weak. But he accepted the stuff at various time stamps.
May Allah swt guide him.
Oh Hashim you said it all, explained everything perfectly...each time this young man spinning all around, keep asking different questions and rcvd perfect answers from you bt it seems he does nt understand OR make believe hs idea is right when not...
TKO !!!
Allah is the one & only God und creator ☝🏼💯🥰
long time not to see this guy
Say: “O 'Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, verily Allah forgives ALL sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And turn in repentance and in obedience with true Faith (Islamic Monotheism) to your Lord and submit to Him, (in Islam), before the torment comes upon you, then you will not be helped.” S. 39:53-54💯☝🏼
Brother Hashim, at 29:33 when Luca gives the example of a dad bailing out his son and consequently incurring the punishment for his crime i.e. the penalty he has to pay to bail out his son, so in a sense he's taking the punishment of his son upon himself as Luca puts it, in a response to that you could have asked him: wouldn't then the son wrong his father for making him pay for his bail and be indebted to him and therefore either return him the money or ask his forgiveness?
If the dad made the payment out of love then he can simply forgive his son without asking his money back which means one can forgive someone without the payment or punishment, but if the dad asks his money back then eventually it was the son who made the payment and it was just a matter of arrangement of money at the time.
,so there's no substitutionary atonement here because in substitutionary atonement when your sins are imputed on the substitution you're forgiven once and for all and you don't have to pay back to the one who substituted you for your punishment.
So that was a false analogy.
Not to mention paying the bail doesn't erase the action from your records.......
Imagine in christianity jesus is God he was killed by his creations because of other's sins which he created by him self that not just ( if he is a God he can forgive without shedding his own blood )
May Allah bless and rewards you brother Hashim as usually you are the best
I'm 3 minutes into this video and I'm cringing already at the Christian. There is always a long-winded sophistical argument for how salvation works in Christianity
every time he changes the analogy Hashim gives it to him immediately not to mention he is the one who is limiting God.😔
Religions corner more than speakers these days. Would love to see more videos on more pressing matters other than religion
And he still doesnt understand what forgiveness is 🤦♀️😂
The example of the confusion of the highest order.
proud to be muslim simply and make sense,
when muslims commited sins of injustice to fellow humans for example,
muslims have to paying for their sins with their rewards(pahala) of their good deeds.
then the weight of the scales determines heaven or hell.
If all sin of all mankind have been taken away by Jesus, then what was purpose of God built The Hell?
Christians do believe about 'The Judgement Day'. What is the purpose of The Judgrment Day if all sin of all mankind have been taken away by Jesus?
They’ll say you still have to believe in him
What is he trying to twist? The argument is clear. The explanation is on point and base on reality and common sense. What kind of logic this christians has? How can when someone who already repent and already being forgive by the victim still has a debt/sins to god? Does he think repentance to god and asking forgiveness to the victim in islam cant wipe out the sins? Where did he read that? Base on which islamic scriptures?
I think Christian apologists are the best in the world when it comes to playing with words and dodging questions.
Is it something they are trained for?
Good 👍
His brain is hurting,has to be. Alhamdulilah Hashim. I don’t know how you’re able to KEEP repeating the point. May ALLAH reward you.
Those whom ALLAH guides,none can misguide
Those whom ALLAH leads astray,none can guide
saya cuma bisa kasih jempol untuk mendukung bro hasim dan kawan kawan
This young christian is a good example of why every thing is wrong with Christianity..
One more analogy from this guy and I'll have to rush to the hospital. Blessed efforts Brother Hashim, and may Allah SWT Gives You the patience and Sabr for their evasion on the most obvious and most basic.
👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 49*
فَمَا لَهُمْ عَنِ التَّذْكِرَةِ مُعْرِضِينَ
Now, what is the matter with them that they are turning away from the reminder,
👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 50*
كَأَنَّهُمْ حُمُرٌ مُسْتَنْفِرَةٌ
as if they were spooked zebras
👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 51*
فَرَّتْ مِنْ قَسْوَرَةٍ
fleeing from a lion?
👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 52*
بَلْ يُرِيدُ كُلُّ امْرِئٍ مِنْهُمْ أَنْ يُؤْتَىٰ صُحُفًا مُنَشَّرَةً
In fact, each one of them wishes to be given a ˹personal˺ letter ˹from Allah˺ for all ˹to read˺.
👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 53*
كَلَّا ۖ بَلْ لَا يَخَافُونَ الْآخِرَةَ
But no! In fact, they do not fear the Hereafter.
👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 54*
كَلَّا إِنَّهُ تَذْكِرَةٌ
Enough! Surely this ˹Quran˺ is a reminder.
👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 55*
فَمَنْ شَاءَ ذَكَرَهُ
So let whoever wills be mindful of it.
👉 *Chapter 74 The cloaked one سورة المدثر - Al-Muddathir: Verse 56*
وَمَا يَذْكُرُونَ إِلَّا أَنْ يَشَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ هُوَ أَهْلُ التَّقْوَىٰ وَأَهْلُ الْمَغْفِرَةِ
But they cannot do so unless Allah wills. He ˹alone˺ is worthy to be feared and entitled to forgive.
The Amazon people one day will come to the park to tell everyone stop mentioning us 😂😂😂😂
looool!
Concept of Christianity makes even a smart, intellectually sound and a humble man looks so dumb ,illogical and confused . May Allah guide these stubborn church programmed puppets . Ameen
The worst thing about the Christian view, is that it was invented by humans, not taught by Jesus pbuh
This Christian man obviously clueless to answer questions from Bro Hashim and keep talking nonsense without knowing that Bro Hashim is one of the Bible Specialists in the Speaker Corner.
Cristianity needs to be facing reality
Dear Christians, there is a big difference between forgiveness and paying a debt and they are not the same thing. If you owe me money there is 2 options, either I'll forgive you or ask you the payment, but asking the payment doesn't remotely express any forgiveness, I simply took what's rightfully mine. In another example, to shed more light, if I got PNCHD by a person intentionally and I wanna revenge back, I'm gonna PNCH that same person back and not anybody else, even if somebody volunteered to take the PNCH back, I would still PNCH the person who PNCHD me and nobody else! Or, I can forgive that person and let it go peacefully. That's the meaning of forgiveness.
In the case of the crucifixion, which is nothing more than a fabrication invented by the Churches built by Paul, it's a "payment of blood". Simply put, you get sick and Jesus pbuh takes the injection? You steal money and Jesus pbuh goes to jail? It's a blood payment for condemning the innocent and acquitting the guilty. You cannot call this neither forgiveness nor love. We don't have to go very far, we can look below and check what the Bible says. 👇👇👇
👉 *Proverbs 17:15* 🤔😏😂
15 *Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent-*
*THE LORD DETESTS THEM BOTH!!!*
If I asked the payment then we settled and I didn't forgive, if I forgave then I didn't ask the payment even though we didn't settle (By paying me back what's rightfully mine). If I asked the payment, nobody can blame me because it's my right and justice states to take it back, if I forgave then I took a higher cause by forgiving your shortage that you cannot pay me. Unlucky for the people that altered the Bible, God PBTH is The Just and A Merciful God according to the Bible itself! Paying me back while I act that I forgave you is a terribly invalid statement! Forgiveness can only happen when there is a shortage of paying back, if you paid back then this is called a settlement and not forgiveness. Simply, the 2 cannot gather in the same sentence, ever. 💥 God PBTH Forgave sins inside the Bible without any blood or a payment and that's the core essence of forgiveness.
👉 *1 Kings **8:28**-61*
28 Yet give attention to *your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy, Lord my God*
33 “When your people Israel have been defeated by an enemy *because they have sinned against you, and when they turn back to you and give praise to your name, praying and making supplication to you in this temple, 34 then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your people Israel and bring them back to the land you gave to their ancestors.*
35 “When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain *because your people have sinned against you, and when they pray toward this place and give praise to your name and turn from their sin because you have afflicted them, 36 then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your servants, your people Israel.* Teach them the right way to live, and send rain on the land you gave your people for an inheritance.
37 “When famine or plague comes to the land, or blight or mildew, locusts or grasshoppers, or when an enemy besieges them in any of their cities, whatever disaster or disease may come, 38 and *when a prayer or plea is made by anyone among your people Israel-being aware of the afflictions of their own hearts, and spreading out their hands toward this temple- 39 then hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Forgive and act;* deal with everyone according to all they do, since you know their hearts (for you alone know every human heart), 40 so that they will fear you all the time they live in the land you gave our ancestors.
46 “When they sin against you-for there is no one who does not sin-and you become angry with them and give them over to their enemies, who take them captive to their own lands, far away or near; 47 and if they have a change of heart in the land where they are held captive, and repent and plead with you in the land of their captors and say, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong, we have acted wickedly’; 48 and if they turn back to you with all their heart and soul in the land of their enemies who took them captive, and pray to you toward the land you gave their ancestors, toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name; 49 then from heaven, your dwelling place, hear their prayer and their plea, and uphold their cause.
50 *AND FORGIVE YOUR PEOPLE , WHO HAVE SINNED AGAINST YOU ; FORGIVE ALL THE OFFENSES THEY HAVE COMITTED AGAINST YOU* , and cause their captors to show them mercy; 51 for they are your people and your inheritance, whom you brought out of Egypt, out of that iron-smelting furnace.
*52 “May your eyes be open to your servant’s plea and to the plea of your people Israel, and may you listen to them whenever they cry out to you.* 54 When Solomon had finished all these prayers and supplications to the Lord, he rose from before the altar of the Lord, *where he had been kneeling with his hands spread out toward heaven.* 55 He stood and blessed the whole assembly of Israel in a loud voice, saying:
56 “Praise be to the Lord, who has given rest to his people Israel just as he promised. Not one word has failed of all the good promises he gave through his servant Moses. 57 May the Lord our God be with us as he was with our ancestors; may he never leave us nor forsake us. 58 *May he turn our hearts to him, to walk in obedience to him and keep the commands, decrees and laws he gave our ancestors.* 59 And may these words of mine, which I have prayed before the Lord, be near to the Lord our God day and night, that he may uphold the cause of his servant and the cause of his people Israel according to each day’s need, 60 so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is no other. 61 And may your hearts be fully committed to the Lord our God, to live by his decrees and obey his commands, as at this time.”
👉 *1 Kings 9:1-9*
When Solomon had finished building the temple of the Lord and the royal palace, and had achieved all he had desired to do, 2 the Lord appeared to him a second time, as he had appeared to him at Gibeon. 3 The Lord said to him:
*“I have heard the prayer and plea you have made before me;* I have consecrated this temple, which you have built, by putting my Name there forever. My eyes and my heart will always be there.
*6 “But if you or your descendants turn away from me and do not observe the commands and decrees I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 7 then I will cut off Israel from the land I have given them and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name.* Israel will then become a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. 8 This temple will become a heap of rubble. All[c] who pass by will be appalled and will scoff and say, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this land and to this temple?’ 9 People will answer, ‘Because they have forsaken the Lord their God, who brought their ancestors out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them-that is why the Lord brought all this disaster on them.’”
👉 *2 Chronicles **6:21*
*Hear the supplications of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place.* Hear from heaven, your dwelling place; and when you hear, *forgive.*
👉 *2 Chronicles **6:25*
then *hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your people Israel* and bring them back to the land you gave to them and their ancestors.
👉 *2 Chronicles **6:27*
then *hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your servants, your people Israel.* Teach them the right way to live, and send rain on the land you gave your people for an inheritance.
👉 *2 Chronicles **6:30*
then *hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Forgive,* and deal with everyone according to all they do, since you know their hearts (for you alone know the human heart),
👉 *2 Chronicles **6:39*
then *from heaven, your dwelling place, hear their prayer and their pleas, and uphold their cause. And forgive your people, who have sinned against you.*
👉 *2 Chronicles **7:14*
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and *pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin* and will heal their land.
👉 *Psalm 25:11*
For the sake of your name, *Lord, forgive my iniquity, though it is great.*
👉 *Psalm 32:1*
*Blessed is the one whose transgressions are forgiven,* whose sins are covered.
👉 *Psalm 79:9*
Help us, God our Savior, for the glory of your name; *deliver us and forgive our sins for your name’s sake.*
👉 *Psalm 103:3*
*who forgives all your sins* and heals all your diseases,
👉 *Psalm 130:4*
*But with you there is forgiveness,* so that we can, with reverence, serve you.
👉 *Isaiah 33:24*
No one living in Zion will say, “I am ill”; *and the sins of those who dwell there will be forgiven.*
👉 *Jeremiah 5:1*
“Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look around and consider, search through her squares. *If you can find but one person who deals honestly and seeks the truth, I will forgive this city.*
👉 *Jeremiah 31:34*
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord. *“For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”*
👉 *Jeremiah 33:8*
*I will cleanse them from all the sin they have committed against me and will forgive all their sins of rebellion against me.*
👉 *Jeremiah 36:3*
Perhaps when the people of Judah hear about every disaster I plan to inflict on them, *they will each turn from their wicked ways; then I will forgive their wickedness and their sin.”*
👉 *Jeremiah 50:20*
In those days, at that time,” declares the Lord, “search will be made for Israel’s guilt, but there will be none, and for the sins of Judah, but none will be found, *for I will forgive the remnant I spare.*
👉 *Daniel 9:19*
Lord, listen! *Lord, forgive!* Lord, hear and act! For your sake, my God, do not delay, because your city and your people bear your Name.”
👉 *Hosea 14:2*
Take words with you and return to the Lord. Say to him: *“Forgive all our sins and receive us graciously,* that we may offer the fruit of our lips.
👉 *Amos 7:2*
When they had stripped the land clean, I cried out, *“Sovereign Lord, forgive!* How can Jacob survive? He is so small!”
👉 *Micah **7:18*
*Who is a God like you, who pardons sin and forgives the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance?* You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy.
👉 *Exodus 10:17*
Now *forgive my sin once more and pray to the Lord your God* to take this deadly plague away from me.”
👉 *Exodus 34:9*
“Lord,” he said, “if I have found favor in your eyes, then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, *forgive our wickedness and our sin,* and take us as your inheritance.”
Amazing everything Hashim brings up is apparently a rabbit hole.
Good example brother Hashem about the court the judge won't kill his son to solve the sin of the criminal😁👍🏻
The complexity is that you christian say u put an innocent man on a cross for the sin of the world for your forgiveness so u can carry on sinning because "God put his son on the cross to forgive your sin"
That's not justice thats inhumane.
For me as a Muslim I take the punishment for what I did wrong and I repent of my sin to Allah and surely if I am sincere Allah will forgive me.
Thanks to Allah for Islam 🙏
The payment is there but with Allah swt forgiveness we don’t have to pay in sha Allah
Poor guy. This is painful to watch.
I feel bad for Luca, back on the days maybe 4 or 5 years ago when i first Saw him with brother Hashim discuss i think he Will not brainwashed but unfortunately he is.
A not so very wise man once said……
1+1+1=1
To say somebody else has to pay for my debt (if I can't afford to) for to be forgiven... that's makes me a Karen....
Our brother hashim henna his beard..look very young..can add 1 more brother..😍
Hashim should have mention the known 4 conditions of "EL-tawba" so that Allah may accept the siner's repentance. In Islam that Allah may forgive you. The conditions are:
-1- Stop doing sin immediately
-2- Regretting doing the sin
-3- Determination to not go back to do the sin
-4- giving people their right
Now After doing this Allah will accept your tawaba and you will not be punched in after life. However if someone caught doing sin in this life the law should apply on him even if he did tawaba. because Islam want to preserve society.
IF SOME ONE ASK YOU TO GIVE HIM A REAL LIVE DEFINITION OF A SUNDAY SCHOOL TO A CHRISTIAN JUST SHARE WITH HIM THE LINK.
THAT REALLY WAS AMAZING.IT'S REALLY OBVIOUS THAT THE GUY PREPARE TO THIS DISCUSSION A LONG TIME BUT EVEN THOU HE GET STOCK AND START REPEATING THE ARGUMENTS HE MEMORIES AND PLAY WORD GYMNASTIC
But one positive aspect that found in him is he is very confident in putting his lying sentence in the discussion to cover his ignorance.
I thought he wanted to give an example where he can prove to people that salvation is somebody else's blood sacrifice of innocent human .
Dear Christians, *WAS JESUS RAISED IN THE SPIRIT OR IN A PHYSICAL BODY?* Peter declares that Jesus PBUH was “put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit”. This seems to imply that Jesus did not rise in the flesh, but only in His spirit, which conflicts with Jesus’ statement that his body was “flesh and bones” (Luke 24:39).
👉 *1 Peter 3:18*
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. *He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.*
👉 *Luke 24:39*
*Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”*
Let's see...
Adam and Eve was kicked out of the garden of edan.. (heaven)
(Punishment #1)
Adam was punished (working hard for his bread. (All men)
(Punishment #2)
Eve was punished (with labor pains)
(all women) (punishment #3)
Remind me again why did the creator had to become his creation to pay (die) for the original sin when punishment was already dealt to Adam and Eve ??
Counter argument to third party resolution: Since the father paid for it, you're now technically owe your father. Your father had to suffer for you, justice still hasn't served.
How can Allah forgive someone by his mercy is injustice but Jesus THE INNOCENT MAN die for our sins is justice
Even the case of murder in Islam, there is forgiveness from Allah - hadith of the man who killed 100 people was forgiven and granted Jannah because he turned to Him for repentance.
the third party was not "FORCED" to pay. if your dad does not want to pay you will still be punished; however, in the case of Jesus based on the Christian Doctrine of the crucifixion, he was FORCED to take that punishment. Second of all in the Analogy, if your father gave you the money as a mode of father and son relationship, the TRAFFIC FINE is still under the "SON" name its not under your "FATHER". he doesn't really own that penalty. I dont know how this is not clear to the Christians.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله وبركاته
Brother Hashim, Allah can forgive any sin including murder if he wants. Remember the story of a man who killed 100 people and he was forgiven by Allah without asking to be forgiven by any of those 100 people.
Khawar
ؤ عَلَيْكُمُ السَّلاَمُ وَرَحْمَةُ اللّهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُُ
That example is irrelevant in this context because he couldn’t ask the dead for forgiveness
Muslim narrated from ‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘As (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The martyr will be forgiven for all his sins except debt.”
Al-Nawawi said in Sharh Muslim:
The words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) “except debt” draw attention to all rights owed to other people. Jihad (fighting for Allah’s cause), martyrdom and other righteous deeds do not expiate for transgressions against the rights of other people, rather they only expiate for transgressions against the rights of Allah. End quote.
Read more here:
islamqa.info/en/answers/65649/expiation-for-transgression-against-rights-of-others
Why Is is not logical for God to forgive sins. It is possibility that a person just forgives .
His Christian belief is against his own bible.
*“Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin"*
-Deuteronomy 24:16
*"But the sons of the slayers he did not put to death, according to what is written in the book of the Law of Moses, as the Lord commanded, saying, “The fathers shall not be put to death for the sons, nor the sons be put to death for the fathers; but each shall be put to death for his own sin.”*
- 2 Kings 14:16
*"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself"*
- Ezekiel 18:20
The question is for everybody are you ready to burn in hell forever for what you believe If you are wrong? Because if you are you will.
because love in the Creator is greater than justice - and Joshua agreed to this himself. Someone without sin had to pay - like Adam at the very beginning. Such is the law for sin is death - for the sins of the world the death of a man without sin. Even God is not above his law.
I think this Christian guy has a comprehension problem.
Truth is a hard pill ti swallow.
What if they ask three lawyers to look two laws which is more justice
"The description of Christianity-of how a sense of debt is transformed into an abiding sense of guilt, and guilt to self-loathing, and self-loathing to self-torture.
Why, for instance, do we refer to Christ as the “redeemer”? The primary meaning of “redemption” is to buy something back, or to recover something that had been given up in security for a loan; to acquire something by paying off a debt. It is rather striking to think that the very core of the Christian message, salvation itself, the sacrifice of God’s own son to rescue humanity from eternal damnation, should be framed in the language of a financial transaction."
"God sacrificing himself for the guilt of human beings, God paying himself back with himself, God as the only one who can redeem man from what for human beings has become impossible to redeem-the creditor sacrificing himself for the debtor, out of love
(can people believe that?), out of love for his debtor!"
"The problem is that the premise is insane."
Say him, there are 2 kind of sin...1. sin hambluminallah / vertical relationship between human and God...ex. dissobey pray, ujub, not fasting in ramadhan etc....that's God forgiveness absolutely....2.sin habluminannas / horisontal relationship between human and human...ex. stealing, killing, mocking etc..there are God forgiveness and human forgiveness
Doubt Luca's intelligence, he blindly follows the church doctrine. May Allah guide him and us too.
Which one sounds influenced by Satan? “Forgive me for my wrongdoing I sincerely admit fault for my own actions” or “I’m forgiven by being drenched in the blood of an innocent god man from Palestine”…
Christians keep saying God punishes sin. How can God punish something immaterial? Well, God punishes sinners....
- I do not perform my salah. Ya Allah please forgive me…
OK
- I do not fast during ramadhan. Ya Allah please forgive me…
OK
- I eat pork. Ya Allah please forgive me…
OK
- I commit murder. Ya Allah please forgive me…
SEEK FORGIVENESS FROM HIS FAMILY FIRST, THEN WE’LL TALK
Because in some cases Allah lay down some conditions before forgiving us, for example in the case of murder when the victims are other human beings, this guy concludes that pure forgiveness is an impossibility.
When you sinned against Allah, Allah will forgive you if you’re sincere and regretful. If you sinned against another human being Allah can’t forgive you unless you seek forgiveness FROM THEM first, because that won’t be just, is it?
What is so hard to understand?
I think it’s simple.
Allah not immediately forgiving a sin you commit against someone else’s shows his mercy and justice to the afflicted party and Allah forgiving a sin done to him shows his foregiveness.
Whereas with Christianity Jesus dying in the cross is a payment by blood because A) Jesus didn’t want to die on the cross and foregive everyone’s sins and B) he had no choice whether or not he could foregive those sins by dying on the cross. If someone is forced to “forgive” sins is that really just?
When religion dosn't make sense....even simple question can't be answered...this is how christianity became idolatry!
His logical sense needs to be broken to fit into christianity
he failed on a disertation defence
Haha..it's really entertaining watching this christian jumping around like a clown yeah😂😂😂
Thats a dilemma for a narrow mind christian. Even he cant explain nor understand a simple word FORGIVENESS . Sad!!
💥 *WHAT WAS THE SALVATION, PRIOR TO JESUS PUBH, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE?* On the time of Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Moses, PBUT All!
Who would dare to say that all these Blessed Prophets of God PBTH wasn’t sent with Salvation from God PBTH? If their salvation wasn’t through believing in a fairy-tail crucifixion of a god son, since they lived and died WAY before Jesus PBUH incarnation (According to the Bible and Christian Theology ONLY), then what was their Salvation and the Salvation for the people they were sent to? The answer is, again, in the Bible!
Why are they blaspheming against God PBTH by claiming that He can’t forgive, Exaltation to God PBTH! Is there anyone who can deny God PBTH, The Most High, from forgiving sins to whomever He Wills? They have portrayed The Most-High PBTH, as unjust, cruel, unmerciful and incapable, Exaltation to God PBTH!
💥 *They have formed an idol, with their own hands, inside The Scriptures of God PBTH, and worshiped it! In the same way you form an idol of clay with your own hands! THEY ONLY USED PENS INSTEAD OF CLAY!*
💥 *Unjust and cruel!* For punishing an innocent person instead of the guilty person! Not to mention that this innocent person is his own son (According to your beliefs!). What do you call a Judge in a Court who would sentence an innocent person over The Electric Chair instead of the real criminal that killed? Unjust, Unfair, Crooked, Bent, Disfigured, Cruel, Malformed, Ill, Sick, Fraudulent, Deceitful, Illegal, Distorted, Dishonest and Craft Judgement? Judicial Misconduct and Judicial Corruption?
I’m seeing a Christian Missionary jumping off his chair, now, and objecting while saying “This Judge in a court can’t do anything out of the ordinary and can’t change the law, he is simply following the law but God PBTH can do whatever He wills”. Partly true, but this is what we call Truth used to justify falsehood! That Christian Missionary doesn’t realize that HE JUST SHOT HIS OWN LEG in two major points!
1-If he is claiming that God PBTH is capable of doing whatever He Wills (which is totally true!), then, using the same measure and standard, He is capable on forgiving the guilty without punishing an innocent!
2-This Christian Missionary is simply portraying a human Judge in a court (which is following the law and would be questioned by higher authorities if he broke it) as more Just, Upright and Righteous than God PBUH (The Creator of the laws and Legislator and The Only One Who may question without being questioned!), which is plain day dreaming and Blasphemy! EXALTATION TO GOD PBTH FROM WHAT THEY CLAIM! Heavens and Earth would collapse from such words if they knew! Let’s see what today’s Bible says about Justice!
👉 *Proverbs 17:15*
15 *Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent-*
*THE LORD DETESTS THEM BOTH!!!*
👉 *Psalm 50:3-6*
3 Our God comes
and will not be silent;
a fire devours before him,
and around him a tempest rages.
4 He summons the heavens above,
and the earth, that he may judge his people:
5 “Gather to me this consecrated people,
who made a covenant with me by sacrifice.”
6 *And the heavens proclaim his righteousness,*
*FOR HE IS A GOD OF JUSTICE.*
👉 *Proverbs 29:14*
14 If a king judges the poor with fairness,
his throne will be established forever.
👉 *Proverbs 31:9*
9 *Speak up and judge fairly;*
*defend the rights of the poor and needy.*
👉 *Job 8:3*
3 *Does God pervert justice?*
*Does the Almighty pervert what is right?*
👉 *Job **34:12*
12 *IT IS UNTHINKABLE THAT GOD WOULD DO WRONG,*
*THAT THE ALMIGHTY WOULD PER### JUSTICE.*
👉 *Job **37:23*
23 The Almighty is beyond our reach and exalted in power;
*IN HIS JUSTICE AND GREAT RIGHTEOUSNESS, HE DOES NOT OPPRESS.*
👉 *Psalm 11:7*
7 *For the LORD is righteous,*
*HE LOVES JUSTICE;*
*the upright will see his face.*
👉 *Psalm 33:5*
5 *The LORD loves righteousness and justice;*
*the earth is full of his unfailing love.*
👉 *Psalm 50:6*
6 *And the heavens proclaim his righteousness,*
*FOR HE IS A GOD OF JUSTICE.*
👉 *Psalm 140:12*
12 *I know that the LORD secures justice for the poor*
*and upholds the cause of the needy.*
👉 *Proverbs 17:23*
23 *The #$#%$#% accept bribes in secret*
*to per### the course of justice.*
💥 *Unmerciful and incapable for forgiving sins?* If God Willed to forgive and to show His Ultimate Mercy and Forgiveness, who would DARE to deny him from doing so? Is there ANYONE superior to God PBTH that may question God PBTH why did you forgive this and that? Exaltation to God, He forgives whomever He Wills! Who inspired them to portray God PBTH in this horrible image but satan? Cruel, unmerciful and incapable? Who said that, in order for God PBTH to forgive sin, an innocent human BLD must be shed? You see, it always brings us back to paganism concepts, shedding more light on who altered the Bible and for what reason!
Even an animal sacrifice was NEVER a must! God PBTH is The God of the rich and the poor, both have salvation and have a 24/7 WIDE OPEN DOOR to seek forgiveness from God PBTH, whether the person can afford to sacrifice an animal for The Sake of God PBTH or not! It’s ONLY a form of piousness that would ONLY benefit the poor and not God PBTH! When Muslims sacrifice an animal in the Sake of God PBTH, like in Eid Al-Adha, the biggest portion of the meat goes to the poor who can’t afford to eat meat! Neither the meat, nor the skin, nor the BLD benefits The Almighty PBTH in anything. Let’s check what Allah SWT has said in The Qur’an!
👉 👉 👉 *Chapter 22 The Pilgrimage سورة الحج - Al-Hajj: Verse 37*
لَنْ يَنَالَ اللَّهَ لُحُومُهَا وَلَا دِمَاؤُهَا وَلَٰكِنْ يَنَالُهُ التَّقْوَىٰ مِنْكُمْ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ سَخَّرَهَا لَكُمْ لِتُكَبِّرُوا اللَّهَ عَلَىٰ مَا هَدَاكُمْ ۗ وَبَشِّرِ الْمُحْسِنِينَ
It is not their meat nor their BLD, that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His Guidance to you and proclaim the good news to all who do right.