I thought of that comparison too. Similar plots, same era, but drastically different souls (for lack of a better word). Wild at Heart has that glimmer of optimism and that love of people that Lynch’s films typically have, despite the dark stuff that happens. Natural Born Killers is just so miserable and misanthropic.
the two things i remember or like the most from NBK is the jail break with RATM playing AND Rodney Dangerfield watching 90s WWF of Tatanka against some Jobber
It belonged to a certain time and place mixed with the fact that it hasn’t aged well. It might be the advent of social media that killed MTV and made the timely attempt at commentary seem irrelevant when viewed today with all glaring flaws of the actual film itself aside.
The funny thing is Kubrick took this same approach to Alex's victims, made them deliberately grotesque and repellent. The only difference is the filmmaking is much better.
every time Big T said waffle house I kept thinking of that Bill Hicks joke where he describes going in such an establishment. He is at his table reading a book and the waitress says 'why you reading?' and Hicks replies 'so i don't have to work in a waffle house'. trivia - Hicks died in 94 when this film came out
Check out the original screenplay by Tarantino. It’s easy to find online. It would’ve made a great movie if it had been made following the script instead of it being changed into Oliver Stone Looks At Violence And The Media
I love these crime movies from the 1990s, I don't think NBK is as great as True Romance or Pulp Fiction, but I still love Natural Born Killers. I've Mickey and Mallory pretty high on my list for favorite villains.
Great discussion and great takes all around! I’m sure someone mentioned this already but after watching this episode I realized that Nightcrawler seems to be what this movie was trying to be? I feel like Nightcrawler actually accomplishes the critique that Stone was attempting with NBK, would like to hear others thoughts on this though!
I'd have to think about it and watch each again, but one thing I know is Nightcrawler was a great movie--borderline phenomenal movie, and Gyllenhaal, Bill Paxton (RIP), Renee Russo, and the guy who played Lou Bloom's sidekick, they were all outstanding. Contrarily, while I liked Natural Born Killers as a messed up/rebellious/destructive/violent teenager, upon watching it a few times as an adult, I realized it's a piece of shit. Beyond the gratuitous and over-the-top and unnecessary violence, the directing and cinematography and just everything about it is, well, it's shit. I can't put it any more eloquently than that. And the fact that it's so well-liked is beyond me--I think it's all because of Woody Harrelson, but even him, I cannot stand in this movie. There's literally nothing I enjoy about this movie, nor is there anything I find even the least bit compelling.
I've never seen an Oliver Stone film that I liked, apart from "Salvador", and "Talk Radio". I saw this when it came out, I didn't hate it, but it did nothing for me as a cinematic experience. Stone always strikes me, like his name suggests, as a stone artistically; a big clunky, heavy film director, hammering away loudly at his themes. I can see how this would have appealed to semi-feral young people at the time, raised on MTV, tabloid tv, and seen through a haze of various recreational drugs, drink, and poorly educated thinking, as a really 'cool' film, with over the top visuals penetrating all that haze. Thanks for hating with purpose this hot mess! Note to Oliver Stone....."Funny Games" is a film that implicates the viewer as part of the film in a chilling way that you'll never achieve in a 1000 attempts at film making.
I'm surprised you guys didn't bring up David Lynch's distain for Oliver Stone because he believed Stone ripped him off on multiple films so much so that Lost Highway he deliberately lifted scenes and actors from this movie and put it in Lost Highway as a middle finger to Stone.
I really liked this movie when I saw it at 16, but revisiting it as an adult, I liked it less and less. It’s just empty calories. The filmmaking and editing are needlessly over complicated, the characters are not just unlikeable, they’re obnoxious, and the points Stone thinks he’s making (with the subtlety of a sledgehammer) were already covered better by other filmmakers.
Rewatching this felt like the most tedious film viewing I've ever persevered through. More than Greed (1924), Satan War(1979) and Breaking the Waves (1996) combined. You could have done Blown Away or Ed Wood. I'm not complaining, even though I am...I still love the show.
Also; triple commenting here, I thoroughly enjoy the banter at the end after the clock stops. Hope y'all aren't self conscious about running that up a little. Its great. ✌
I'm amazed you got through this whole episode without a single mention of A Clockwork Orange! One of the reasons I detested this movie so much was that I had seen Kubrick cover this thematic territory so brilliantly years earlier. Also: Benny's Video from 1992: THAT'S the movie to watch for meaningful commentary about the relationship between media and violence.
I always thought that the best hypocritical critique of media's hypocrisy towards violence is Ruggero Deodato's infamous Cannibal Holocaust. In fact, contrary to Stone's work, Cannibal Holocaust is an interesting movie because of, not despite, its hypocrisy. There's a class of movies out there that actually benefit from their internal inconsistencies, but the reason no Oliver Stone film belongs to that list is that he's so one-note and forceful about his morality.
This Stone's attempt at copying David Lynch. While not even close to his greatest film, Lynch's Wild at Heart blows this derivative pile of shit out of the water.
Because Lynch is a true visionary, with a deep love and knowledge of cinema history, has a sense of restraint, editing finesse, and the ability to step back and see the film he's making from a remove so he doesn't put a piece of garbage up on the screen to be embarrassed by.
@@littleghostfilms3012 No doubt about it. Lynch is an artist in the most fundamental sense. Filmmaking is simply one of the tools he has mastered to express his art. To me, I've little doubt that Lynch will still be discussed, examined, lectured about, etc., two-hundred years from now and beyond. Most of his contemporaries, including great filmmakers like Tarantino, will be footnotes at best, products of their era. Lynch's works only get better with time. There's a reason why he and Stanley Kubrick (unlike Oliver Stone) never won an Academy Award for Best Director or Best Picture. Both transcend their own eras, and their greatness only becomes clearer with time, the intellectuals and critics always trailing behind. Compare Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket with Stone's best film (and my personal favorite of his) Platoon. Stone's very good movie really doesn't approach the depth of storytelling found in Kubrick's effort.
Idk man the movie is good. A really unique film. Looking at it like they're Tarantino and just shittin on Oliver Stone for a hour is a great watch.. great review.
I get this movie isn't for everyone, but I think they're being pretty ridiculous here and it's trendy to hate Stone now because of his politics. I don't put it on the same level as True Romance or Pulp Fiction but I still think it's a great movie and better than most of the run of the mill s@it that comes out today.
I don't think it's a bad film either but I find it repellent, like Doom Generation and its ilk... violence and perviness for no reason other than trying to make me feel bad for no reason.
I think there's much to admire about NBK concerning the variety of filmmaking techniques on display. Thematically it has issues and it doesn't really have anything interesting to add to the discussion concerning violence in our culture. It never reflects on the theme it proposes, which I reckon is why these lads label it 'shallow'.
The director’s cut doesn’t make it a good movie, even if Oliver says it does. 99% of the restored footage is just extended shots of violence and gore. All the extra 20 seconds of Sizemore strangling a hooker explained was “Yep, Oliver was going through a divorce during this shoot.”
@@bobcobb3654 That doesn't answer my question. I'm not looking for an analysis of the differences, just want to know what version was watched for the review.
I always thought the characters were more like Starkweather and Fugate than Bonnie and Clyde. Why would the Mallory character care about the Indian? Because Oliver Stone says she does. The Sadist starring Arch Hall Jr. is a much better film. Except for the Rodney Dangerfield sitcom parody,. the film is rubbish.
One very telling part of why Stone was so misguided in this project was i heard him talk about how Mickey and Mallory were the heroes because their love was the way out of the violent mess we were in in our society. It is such a boomer thing to think, so lacking in self awareness, and so drug addled in narcissism . It's really a cult-like idea that: the problem with the twentieth century was not being consumed enough with Eros. The kind of stupid childish view that thought cheating on your spouse more would've stopped the Vietnam war. Oliver doesn't realize, like many boomers, that is consumption with pleasure and ego death was the biggest culprit of what let the monster of dehumanization into the gate of our culture. Yes great evil was done in the back rooms of religious institutions and corporate offices, but the foundation of that terror is people without principles hoping to "Break on through" past the world where they are still responsible for their actions.
For those who are curious Woody Harrelson’s father was Charles Harrelson, a hitman who was convicted of multiple murders, including the assassination of federal judge John H. Wood Jr. in 1979. Charles Harrelson’s criminal activities and trials were highly publicized, casting a dark shadow over Woody’s early life.
I was just talking about how much I hate this fucking movie and its pretentious editing. Using a different film stock and lens combo for every shot is unmotivated wasted effort. Oliver Stone lost subtlety with every film following JFK after its accolades went to his head. Stone called Tarantino's use of violence to be morally repentant as he makes the prison riot sequence with slapstick comedy imagery and sound effects. Apparently Grandpa Oliver is the only one allowed to have any fun with his film's violence. And the childish message of the film being crammed down our throats so stupidly hard. If anyone wants a real film with some similar themes in regard to tv I'd suggest Network (1976) by Sidney Lumet. I promise you it respects you as a viewer far more than this "old man shaking his fist at 90s MTV" heap of shit.
JFK is boring? I saw it when I was 18 and thought it was very watchable. Not one boring scene, I didnt know anything about the JFK theories before seeing it.
You guys should have done Killing Zoe for 1994 love that movie.....saw it at 2AM one nite in 1997 on HBO..after a night of LSD I had no idea whether the movie was in another language or I was lol
Goddam. "Answer Me!" I haven't thought about that in 30 years. It is the quintessential GenX cringe. It doesn't surprise me that he made such a shallow mess, considering the plot of "JFK". That film is *insane* and not in a good way. Stone smokes too much of his own shite
I am a fan of this pod. I agree w/ not being a fan of this style or the criticism on Stones choices, but I think u guys got it wrong about him trying too be cool in the 90's ( not totally discounting it) as much as this is the MTV gen X attitude of the day. Today it would be Tik Tok. Not to be cool as much as reflecting.
I've only seen bits and pieces of this, like playing in the video store when I go in. I always knew it was not for me, to say the least. And I aint' watching it now either!! I hate to be THAT FUCKING GUY but I feel like the term "White Trash" should be retired, even as a self-conscious cliché. It just has a lot of bad connotations. Wag of the finger! I would love for you guys to do Golddiggers Of 1933!! That's in my all-time top ten for sure. Man, how bad does The Penguin look...?
I did not like this movie either. It just feels like a mess to me, structurally, stylistically, and thematically. The Tarantino origins make a lot of sense because it seems like an interesting and clever script that got completely mangled and confused. I feel like there’s a lot of 90’s satire movies that miss the mark when it comes to actually delivering the message. For example, I like Falling Down and Fight Club yet I’ve seen those movies horribly misinterpreted by like edgy fascist types.
Too much opinion and speculation in this episode, not enough research...It was actually the Rodney Dangerfield scene where Tarantino wanted his name removed not the diner intro. Also, do you guys ever disagree with each other or are you always just yes men to one another?
I have to admit, when this came out I was still an Oliver Stone fan. (I had a cinephile friend who knew better, and always let me know it!) I even kinda liked JFK back then.Not now. But I went into the theater an Oliver Stone fan. But as I was watching I got very disoriented because it slowly dawned on me that it was a huge turd. I liked everyone associated with the movie, on and offscreen, I just didn't like the movie itself.
I had no idea people hated this movie. Woody was awesome. Those sun glasses were cool, by step father drove tracker trailers and would wear them some times. Man I just don’t agree with most of what these people said. I guess I’m just white trash.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with either loving or hating the film. It’s just a matter of personal tastes, to be fair. I don’t think the OFH boy’s intentions are to make you feel like you’re inferior in any way. It’s just like, their opinions, man. There are a few movies I really like that they’ve dunked on in the past, but I respect their critiques. All in all, just keep an open mind and more importantly, keep enjoying the flicks you have a deep fondness for.
Some people definitely hate it but it’s a beloved cult classic. Film as crazy as this one was never going to appeal to everyone. Personally, i love it.
At the time, when Tarantino publicly disliked the film, Stone’s reply was, “Quentin makes movies. I make films.”
It feels like it's been One Fucking Year since the last ep. It's like catching up with old friends at a high school reunion.
Yea sorry about that. Lotsa summer traveling lately
I always thought about Wild At Heart while watching this mess, and how much better it is.
I've been meaning to watch that one. Probably get to it today actually.
I thought of that comparison too. Similar plots, same era, but drastically different souls (for lack of a better word). Wild at Heart has that glimmer of optimism and that love of people that Lynch’s films typically have, despite the dark stuff that happens. Natural Born Killers is just so miserable and misanthropic.
Wild at Heart is average at best, NBK is way better.
@@EddieHenderson92facts, love Lynch but that film drags, NBK’s pacing is much better
@@EddieHenderson92Um how dare you! Wild At Heart is Lynch's most entertaining, most enjoyable film. By far my favorite !
the two things i remember or like the most from NBK is the jail break with RATM playing AND Rodney Dangerfield watching 90s WWF of Tatanka against some Jobber
It belonged to a certain time and place mixed with the fact that it hasn’t aged well. It might be the advent of social media that killed MTV and made the timely attempt at commentary seem irrelevant when viewed today with all glaring flaws of the actual film itself aside.
The funny thing is Kubrick took this same approach to Alex's victims, made them deliberately grotesque and repellent. The only difference is the filmmaking is much better.
every time Big T said waffle house I kept thinking of that Bill Hicks joke where he describes going in such an establishment. He is at his table reading a book and the waitress says 'why you reading?' and Hicks replies 'so i don't have to work in a waffle house'. trivia - Hicks died in 94 when this film came out
"Looks like we've got ourselves a READAH!"
Hope he said that AFTER he got his food.
Welcome back! You were missed!!!
Check out the original screenplay by Tarantino. It’s easy to find online. It would’ve made a great movie if it had been made following the script instead of it being changed into Oliver Stone Looks At Violence And The Media
I love these crime movies from the 1990s, I don't think NBK is as great as True Romance or Pulp Fiction, but I still love Natural Born Killers. I've Mickey and Mallory pretty high on my list for favorite villains.
Great discussion and great takes all around! I’m sure someone mentioned this already but after watching this episode I realized that Nightcrawler seems to be what this movie was trying to be? I feel like Nightcrawler actually accomplishes the critique that Stone was attempting with NBK, would like to hear others thoughts on this though!
Totally
I'd have to think about it and watch each again, but one thing I know is Nightcrawler was a great movie--borderline phenomenal movie, and Gyllenhaal, Bill Paxton (RIP), Renee Russo, and the guy who played Lou Bloom's sidekick, they were all outstanding. Contrarily, while I liked Natural Born Killers as a messed up/rebellious/destructive/violent teenager, upon watching it a few times as an adult, I realized it's a piece of shit.
Beyond the gratuitous and over-the-top and unnecessary violence, the directing and cinematography and just everything about it is, well, it's shit. I can't put it any more eloquently than that.
And the fact that it's so well-liked is beyond me--I think it's all because of Woody Harrelson, but even him, I cannot stand in this movie. There's literally nothing I enjoy about this movie, nor is there anything I find even the least bit compelling.
Imo the most cringe (and ironic) moment is when ''Mallooory'' breaks the 4th wall by yelling ''Why!'' towards the audience....
hope to see these more often, great work.
I've never seen an Oliver Stone film that I liked, apart from "Salvador", and "Talk Radio". I saw this when it came out, I didn't hate it, but it did nothing for me as a cinematic experience. Stone always strikes me, like his name suggests, as a stone artistically; a big clunky, heavy film director, hammering away loudly at his themes. I can see how this would have appealed to semi-feral young people at the time, raised on MTV, tabloid tv, and seen through a haze of various recreational drugs, drink, and poorly educated thinking, as a really 'cool' film, with over the top visuals penetrating all that haze. Thanks for hating with purpose this hot mess! Note to Oliver Stone....."Funny Games" is a film that implicates the viewer as part of the film in a chilling way that you'll never achieve in a 1000 attempts at film making.
Really, really perceptive comment. I agree wholeheartedly.
I'm surprised you guys didn't bring up David Lynch's distain for Oliver Stone because he believed Stone ripped him off on multiple films so much so that Lost Highway he deliberately lifted scenes and actors from this movie and put it in Lost Highway as a middle finger to Stone.
I was 17 when this came out. I loved it. I was also doing a lot of lsd at the time
I really liked this movie when I saw it at 16, but revisiting it as an adult, I liked it less and less. It’s just empty calories. The filmmaking and editing are needlessly over complicated, the characters are not just unlikeable, they’re obnoxious, and the points Stone thinks he’s making (with the subtlety of a sledgehammer) were already covered better by other filmmakers.
Lard...wow! That takes me back
You guys all look so giddy when you're talking shit I love it haha
Rewatching this felt like the most tedious film viewing I've ever persevered through. More than Greed (1924), Satan War(1979) and Breaking the Waves (1996) combined. You could have done Blown Away or Ed Wood. I'm not complaining, even though I am...I still love the show.
Also; triple commenting here, I thoroughly enjoy the banter at the end after the clock stops. Hope y'all aren't self conscious about running that up a little. Its great. ✌
I'm amazed you got through this whole episode without a single mention of A Clockwork Orange! One of the reasons I detested this movie so much was that I had seen Kubrick cover this thematic territory so brilliantly years earlier.
Also: Benny's Video from 1992: THAT'S the movie to watch for meaningful commentary about the relationship between media and violence.
It was referred to early in the upload by the older lad.
I think Tarantino writing NBK and True Romance was inspired by Wild at Heart.
I always thought that the best hypocritical critique of media's hypocrisy towards violence is Ruggero Deodato's infamous Cannibal Holocaust. In fact, contrary to Stone's work, Cannibal Holocaust is an interesting movie because of, not despite, its hypocrisy. There's a class of movies out there that actually benefit from their internal inconsistencies, but the reason no Oliver Stone film belongs to that list is that he's so one-note and forceful about his morality.
My favorite "movie boys" (meaning the hosts not the film). Thanks for reminding me what a stupid assh*le 94 me was ; )
Missed you guys.
Haven't seen this in decades. At the time I thought it was brilliant.
This Stone's attempt at copying David Lynch. While not even close to his greatest film, Lynch's Wild at Heart blows this derivative pile of shit out of the water.
Because Lynch is a true visionary, with a deep love and knowledge of cinema history, has a sense of restraint, editing finesse, and the ability to step back and see the film he's making from a remove so he doesn't put a piece of garbage up on the screen to be embarrassed by.
@@littleghostfilms3012 No doubt about it. Lynch is an artist in the most fundamental sense. Filmmaking is simply one of the tools he has mastered to express his art. To me, I've little doubt that Lynch will still be discussed, examined, lectured about, etc., two-hundred years from now and beyond. Most of his contemporaries, including great filmmakers like Tarantino, will be footnotes at best, products of their era. Lynch's works only get better with time. There's a reason why he and Stanley Kubrick (unlike Oliver Stone) never won an Academy Award for Best Director or Best Picture. Both transcend their own eras, and their greatness only becomes clearer with time, the intellectuals and critics always trailing behind. Compare Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket with Stone's best film (and my personal favorite of his) Platoon. Stone's very good movie really doesn't approach the depth of storytelling found in Kubrick's effort.
Incorrect, NBK is better and these guys complain about Stone being pretentious, but Lynch can really get too far up his own a$$.
@@EddieHenderson92 Sure, dingus, keep telling yourself that.
@@ThalassicMeasure Don't fear the truth, buttercup.
I so hope Affliction is on your mind for 97 because its so fucking dark!!😢
U can't knock that Sweet Jane cover
Idk man the movie is good. A really unique film. Looking at it like they're Tarantino and just shittin on Oliver Stone for a hour is a great watch.. great review.
I get this movie isn't for everyone, but I think they're being pretty ridiculous here and it's trendy to hate Stone now because of his politics. I don't put it on the same level as True Romance or Pulp Fiction but I still think it's a great movie and better than most of the run of the mill s@it that comes out today.
I don't think it's a bad film either but I find it repellent, like Doom Generation and its ilk... violence and perviness for no reason other than trying to make me feel bad for no reason.
Love a dunkable episode.
‘Make Way for Tomorrow’
1996 you guys should do 'Kingpin'
Yes do the 30s
Is it time for ICP to do a remake of Natural Born Killers? Would Rob Zombie go back to the original script?
I think there's much to admire about NBK concerning the variety of filmmaking techniques on display. Thematically it has issues and it doesn't really have anything interesting to add to the discussion concerning violence in our culture. It never reflects on the theme it proposes, which I reckon is why these lads label it 'shallow'.
I think Death Race 2000 accomplished what this movie was trying to do more effectively (it was also funnier).
Tony Scott would do a banger job at directing this one instead of Stone.
Dope review! Still love the movie for some reason lol whoops
Now i just want to see Tarantino's version of this film. I'm not expecting it to be good but it can't be worst then this.
Did you watch the theatrical version with the studio mandated cuts, or the director's cut that restored the cut footage?
The director’s cut doesn’t make it a good movie, even if Oliver says it does. 99% of the restored footage is just extended shots of violence and gore. All the extra 20 seconds of Sizemore strangling a hooker explained was “Yep, Oliver was going through a divorce during this shoot.”
@@bobcobb3654 That doesn't answer my question. I'm not looking for an analysis of the differences, just want to know what version was watched for the review.
I was called 'mainstream' because I said I thought this movie was a pile of garbage. 😂
I always thought the characters were more like Starkweather and Fugate than Bonnie and Clyde. Why would the Mallory character care about the Indian? Because Oliver Stone says she does. The Sadist starring Arch Hall Jr. is a much better film. Except for the Rodney Dangerfield sitcom parody,. the film is rubbish.
One very telling part of why Stone was so misguided in this project was i heard him talk about how Mickey and Mallory were the heroes because their love was the way out of the violent mess we were in in our society. It is such a boomer thing to think, so lacking in self awareness, and so drug addled in narcissism . It's really a cult-like idea that: the problem with the twentieth century was not being consumed enough with Eros. The kind of stupid childish view that thought cheating on your spouse more would've stopped the Vietnam war. Oliver doesn't realize, like many boomers, that is consumption with pleasure and ego death was the biggest culprit of what let the monster of dehumanization into the gate of our culture.
Yes great evil was done in the back rooms of religious institutions and corporate offices, but the foundation of that terror is people without principles hoping to "Break on through" past the world where they are still responsible for their actions.
love the idea of doing the 30s. I think you can also do the 20s, starting with the cabinet of dr Caligari...
I never laughed so much while watching this movie! So It has that! 🤣
I like it but I agree it's too stylized. Tarantino didn't like the Rodney Dangerfield scene. I actually liked that scene a lot.
Pretty shocked that you guys didn't mention Woody's father when discussing his casting.
For those who are curious Woody Harrelson’s father was Charles Harrelson, a hitman who was convicted of multiple murders, including the assassination of federal judge John H. Wood Jr. in 1979. Charles Harrelson’s criminal activities and trials were highly publicized, casting a dark shadow over Woody’s early life.
I was just talking about how much I hate this fucking movie and its pretentious editing. Using a different film stock and lens combo for every shot is unmotivated wasted effort. Oliver Stone lost subtlety with every film following JFK after its accolades went to his head. Stone called Tarantino's use of violence to be morally repentant as he makes the prison riot sequence with slapstick comedy imagery and sound effects. Apparently Grandpa Oliver is the only one allowed to have any fun with his film's violence.
And the childish message of the film being crammed down our throats so stupidly hard. If anyone wants a real film with some similar themes in regard to tv I'd suggest Network (1976) by Sidney Lumet. I promise you it respects you as a viewer far more than this "old man shaking his fist at 90s MTV" heap of shit.
Can you guys do Croney's Crash for your '96 movie? 🙏🏻
Second that one! 💥
I would love to see that also, because it really goes deep in the darkness in a way that is not in any way like this giant slop of a movie.
Great movie
lol, New Century Theater.. what years did you work there??
You guys need to stop Hating on this movie, It's a Romantic Comedy for Edge-Lords 😎
JFK is boring? I saw it when I was 18 and thought it was very watchable. Not one boring scene, I didnt know anything about the JFK theories before seeing it.
You guys should have done Killing Zoe for 1994 love that movie.....saw it at 2AM one nite in 1997 on HBO..after a night of LSD I had no idea whether the movie was in another language or I was lol
Goddam. "Answer Me!" I haven't thought about that in 30 years.
It is the quintessential GenX cringe.
It doesn't surprise me that he made such a shallow mess, considering the plot of "JFK". That film is *insane* and not in a good way.
Stone smokes too much of his own shite
It's trash, but I sure do love it😁
What is wrong with getting high on weed, school boy.
I am a fan of this pod. I agree w/ not being a fan of this style or the criticism on Stones choices, but I think u guys got it wrong about him trying too be cool in the 90's ( not totally discounting it) as much as this is the MTV gen X attitude of the day. Today it would be Tik Tok. Not to be cool as much as reflecting.
I've only seen bits and pieces of this, like playing in the video store when I go in. I always knew it was not for me, to say the least. And I aint' watching it now either!!
I hate to be THAT FUCKING GUY but I feel like the term "White Trash" should be retired, even as a self-conscious cliché. It just has a lot of bad connotations. Wag of the finger!
I would love for you guys to do Golddiggers Of 1933!! That's in my all-time top ten for sure.
Man, how bad does The Penguin look...?
I did not like this movie either. It just feels like a mess to me, structurally, stylistically, and thematically. The Tarantino origins make a lot of sense because it seems like an interesting and clever script that got completely mangled and confused.
I feel like there’s a lot of 90’s satire movies that miss the mark when it comes to actually delivering the message. For example, I like Falling Down and Fight Club yet I’ve seen those movies horribly misinterpreted by like edgy fascist types.
Shit movie…great music…really great.
Too much opinion and speculation in this episode, not enough research...It was actually the Rodney Dangerfield scene where Tarantino wanted his name removed not the diner intro. Also, do you guys ever disagree with each other or are you always just yes men to one another?
Are any of ya'll married?
Easy, sir, easy.
i still think that mr stone is an edgelord. and not the best one of them.
Yup JFK very boring. The style in all these movies is screwy. Drug editing
I have to admit, when this came out I was still an Oliver Stone fan. (I had a cinephile friend who knew better, and always let me know it!) I even kinda liked JFK back then.Not now. But I went into the theater an Oliver Stone fan. But as I was watching I got very disoriented because it slowly dawned on me that it was a huge turd. I liked everyone associated with the movie, on and offscreen, I just didn't like the movie itself.
Your taste got worse with age.
It takes him 3 days to finish the scene
But the director is snobbish
😂😂😂😂😂
I agree this movie is shite but 😂😂😂😂
That’s just funny
I had no idea people hated this movie. Woody was awesome. Those sun glasses were cool, by step father drove tracker trailers and would wear them some times. Man I just don’t agree with most of what these people said. I guess I’m just white trash.
I still love this movie.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with either loving or hating the film. It’s just a matter of personal tastes, to be fair. I don’t think the OFH boy’s intentions are to make you feel like you’re inferior in any way. It’s just like, their opinions, man.
There are a few movies I really like that they’ve dunked on in the past, but I respect their critiques. All in all, just keep an open mind and more importantly, keep enjoying the flicks you have a deep fondness for.
Some people definitely hate it but it’s a beloved cult classic. Film as crazy as this one was never going to appeal to everyone. Personally, i love it.