a big challenge for psychedelics users is to validate their experiences as real when their mind re takes its place and re seperates them from alledged reality.
Okie Tripster: “it’s just your imaginary mind, dude!” haha 😛 we are culturally conditioned to minimise mental phenomena, especially the paranormal. but actually the mind is senior to the body, and even travels with the Vital Force to the next body when the current one is worn out. the problem is being attached to only gross physical existence as the only ‘reality’, when in fact it is as transient as a dream.
well it's _kaliyuga,_ so people in general do not perform _sādhana, tapasya_ or sacrifice according to scriptural injunction. thus to ensure the proper functioning of the Creation, Goddess has to inflict trauma on humanity. e.g., our excessive laziness due to being seduced by the convenience of technology has led to climate change, and after 80 years of relative peace, major war seems to be on the horizon.
it's not surprising, since paranormal experience occur most frequently between people linked by family or other strong emotion: “ESP only occurs when a person is experiencing intense stress and strong emotions. Under the conditions of a controlled scientific experiment, intense stress and strong emotions are excluded; the person experiences intense boredom rather than excitement, so the evidence for ESP disappears. The experiment excludes the human emotions that make ESP possible.” - Freeman Dyson, Physicist, _The Scientist as Rebel_ (2006)
Namaste Swamiji!~ 🌸🙏🌸Gosh! This was such an informative session! I had similar experiences to what Mr. Dave had, like the brother one. But I rounded off my experiences to little coincidences.... Suffering for a purpose (PTG) is also a new perspective to look through. I've seen some people around me who tend to overlook the growth that came through suffering & kind of get hung up on the suffering part, especially if it was involuntary/ directly from nature. Is it possible for anyone to get attached to suffering too? Thankyou!~ 🙏🎐
Namaste Ratna 🙏 it would not be surprising if a large majority of paranormal experiences go unreported due to materialistic bias. i would distinguish between PTG, which is holding a previous unplanned traumatic event in a context of personal growth, versus intentional suffering or _tapasya,_ which is intentional, planned suffering for a specific purpose. this is why in the beginning of a _yajña_ the participants form a _saṅkalpa,_ a wish, desire or intention for the sacrifice. they can even intend to gift the results of the _yajña_ to another person, as in the case of a _ṛtvik-ācārya_ performing a sacrifice for a king or sponsor. 🕉🙏🏼😇🌙🔱
@ConsciousnessRC Thank you for replying Swamiji!🦋🙏🦋 In the conversation you told us about your meditation streaks that went for 12 hours and more, which came to you intuitively. Would such rigorous sādhana, also fall under PTG? Did it required you to set up an internal saṅkalpa? So many questions!! I'm sure that with the further development of the series I'll have my answers!~☆ Namaste!~🪷🙏🪷
well, it was just Grace. I had just started a new relationship, but felt intuitively drawn to meditate. and the more I meditated, the more interesting it became. Not that I had to force myself, but I was drawn by the beauty of the experience itself. This went on for about six weeks. My girlfriend got bored and went to stay with some friends, so I was all alone. But I didn’t feel lonely because I was exploring this wonderful inner world. Kuṇḍalinī was spontaneously arising without any effort on my part, and without any uncomfortable symptoms. It just got better and better until one day, Śakti came and gave me Śaktipāt. i didn’t need any _saṅkalpa,_ I just flowed with the energy and went deeper and deeper. I don’t think you could call it PTG because there was no trauma, no effort, no pain. It was not like a consciously performed _tapasya,_ it was just beautiful. definitely the peak experience of a lifetime.
@@ConsciousnessRC A Grace indeed!~ I think Śakti didn't require your experience to stem from PTG since you've been into Tantra from your childhood days ~ Thankyou for sharing your experiences & insights!`♡'
@ratnathakur2483 i did a lot of _tāntrik_ sacred sex, and _tapasya,_ intentional suffering, even as a child as young as 13. Still do. i would like to do more, but unfortunately i'm still looking for a qualified partner. plus in my youth i went out of my way to meet with many _gurus_ and teachers, to hear and understand their teachings. then in 1971 i went to India, took _dīkṣā_ from my _ādi-guru,_ and served him in temples and holy places all over the world for over 25 years. so yeah i paid my dues.
a big challenge for psychedelics users is to validate their experiences as real when their mind re takes its place and re seperates them from alledged reality.
Okie Tripster: “it’s just your imaginary mind, dude!” haha 😛
we are culturally conditioned to minimise mental phenomena, especially the paranormal. but actually the mind is senior to the body, and even travels with the Vital Force to the next body when the current one is worn out. the problem is being attached to only gross physical existence as the only ‘reality’, when in fact it is as transient as a dream.
very nice..obviously on point for today..lot of trauma going around
well it's _kaliyuga,_ so people in general do not perform _sādhana, tapasya_ or sacrifice according to scriptural injunction. thus to ensure the proper functioning of the Creation, Goddess has to inflict trauma on humanity. e.g., our excessive laziness due to being seduced by the convenience of technology has led to climate change, and after 80 years of relative peace, major war seems to be on the horizon.
my little brother and I have similar entanglements..we just both went into hospital recently for similar health issues.
it's not surprising, since paranormal experience occur most frequently between people linked by family or other strong emotion:
“ESP only occurs when a person is experiencing intense stress and strong emotions. Under the conditions of a controlled scientific experiment, intense stress and strong emotions are excluded; the person experiences intense boredom rather than excitement, so the evidence for ESP disappears. The experiment excludes the human emotions that make ESP possible.”
- Freeman Dyson, Physicist, _The Scientist as Rebel_ (2006)
Namaste Swamiji!~ 🌸🙏🌸Gosh! This was such an informative session!
I had similar experiences to what Mr. Dave had, like the brother one. But I rounded off my experiences to little coincidences....
Suffering for a purpose (PTG) is also a new perspective to look through. I've seen some people around me who tend to overlook the growth that came through suffering & kind of get hung up on the suffering part, especially if it was involuntary/ directly from nature.
Is it possible for anyone to get attached to suffering too?
Thankyou!~ 🙏🎐
Namaste Ratna 🙏 it would not be surprising if a large majority of paranormal experiences go unreported due to materialistic bias.
i would distinguish between PTG, which is holding a previous unplanned traumatic event in a context of personal growth, versus intentional suffering or _tapasya,_ which is intentional, planned suffering for a specific purpose. this is why in the beginning of a _yajña_ the participants form a _saṅkalpa,_ a wish, desire or intention for the sacrifice. they can even intend to gift the results of the _yajña_ to another person, as in the case of a _ṛtvik-ācārya_ performing a sacrifice for a king or sponsor. 🕉🙏🏼😇🌙🔱
@ConsciousnessRC Thank you for replying Swamiji!🦋🙏🦋
In the conversation you told us about your meditation streaks that went for 12 hours and more, which came to you intuitively.
Would such rigorous sādhana, also fall under PTG? Did it required you to set up an internal saṅkalpa?
So many questions!! I'm sure that with the further development of the series I'll have my answers!~☆
Namaste!~🪷🙏🪷
well, it was just Grace. I had just started a new relationship, but felt intuitively drawn to meditate. and the more I meditated, the more interesting it became. Not that I had to force myself, but I was drawn by the beauty of the experience itself. This went on for about six weeks. My girlfriend got bored and went to stay with some friends, so I was all alone. But I didn’t feel lonely because I was exploring this wonderful inner world. Kuṇḍalinī was spontaneously arising without any effort on my part, and without any uncomfortable symptoms. It just got better and better until one day, Śakti came and gave me Śaktipāt.
i didn’t need any _saṅkalpa,_ I just flowed with the energy and went deeper and deeper. I don’t think you could call it PTG because there was no trauma, no effort, no pain. It was not like a consciously performed _tapasya,_ it was just beautiful. definitely the peak experience of a lifetime.
@@ConsciousnessRC A Grace indeed!~
I think Śakti didn't require your experience to stem from PTG since you've been into Tantra from your childhood days ~
Thankyou for sharing your experiences & insights!`♡'
@ratnathakur2483 i did a lot of _tāntrik_ sacred sex, and _tapasya,_ intentional suffering, even as a child as young as 13. Still do. i would like to do more, but unfortunately i'm still looking for a qualified partner.
plus in my youth i went out of my way to meet with many _gurus_ and teachers, to hear and understand their teachings. then in 1971 i went to India, took _dīkṣā_ from my _ādi-guru,_ and served him in temples and holy places all over the world for over 25 years. so yeah i paid my dues.