Can Russia Recover Like Germany Did After World War II?
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The Russian invasion of Ukraine has caused an estimated 500,000 casualties and significant infrastructure damage. Rebuilding Ukraine could cost half a trillion dollars, but can we make Russia pay for it? What's the optimal recovery plan to reduce tensions, and and have peace and prosperity? What does history show will result from punishing Russia for this conflict?
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You really need to include Russkiy mir in any discussion going forward like this, otherwise you miss a large part of why treating Russia like any normal country is a complete waste of time.
I think Russia would need a completely new, more accountable political system + Chinese financial aid (as well as strengthening the Rule of Law)
to properly rebuild and to potentially become a High-Income economy. As well getting rid of oligarchy would help tremendously e.g. via Georgist policies and institutions like a land value inspector agency for a land value tax so that the LVT revenue can be channeled towards more productive arenas like infrastructure/healthcare, etc and a citizen's dividend perhaps that would help out Russian citizenry rather than just fill the pockets of oligarchic landowners.
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We can't risk Russia rebuilding. Because when they do, and especially if we have some awful peace settlement where Russia gets bits of Ukraine, they will just keep invading other countries in order to rebuild their empire.
Unless the Russians overthrow their dictatorship and start a peaceful democratic and civilised country that respects its neighbours and embraces the 21st century as opposed to the 19th, the Russian Federation probably needs dismantling!
4:57 Wow. It's crazy that in 1780 the Soviet Union was the second richest country in the world. That's amazing for a country that didn't exist yet
considering it's sandwiched between 1975 and 1985, even an idiot can figure out that's a typo. but obviously you're less than that
Noticed that too. 😆
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure 1780 came between 1980 and 1985. ;-)
@@tiberiuswiseit's not that hard to check, just go to that timestamp in the original post. anyway, since you're obviously not able to double check that yourself, I did it for you and you're wrong, it is in fact between 1975 and 1985. any idiot can see that
Are you calculating the years in metric or imperial units?
Metric 1780 is in the future.
The allies were able to reshape government in Germany and Japan after WWII having conquered both. That was a necessary precondition to aid and recovery.
It ain't going to happen in Russia!
Russia is so far behind militarily, even Ukraine could probably conquer them given enough time. The main reason Russia won't be conquered is that no one has any interest in doing so
id argue the aid was to prop up a new ally against a new enemy, russia. what enemy could russia be useful against?
at best Ukraine will be given a small amount of aid, just enough for its recovery to be faster then Russia's. Ukraine can take Russia's place exporting gass to eu
Good, the enslavement to the United States is way worse than being poor
@@H.W.Robots Ukraine's gas is in the Donbas. You're gonna have a hard time accessing that, then building on it...
@@mikea5745 Napoleon tried Hitler tried and Kiev wont. Russia is wearing down the west because Russia is self sufficient and has all of its resources in its boarders it doesnt need imperialist interventions to acquire resources for sustenance. Russia needs Ukraine as a buffer state hence why it invaded Ukraine for defense purposes not resource extraction and capture.
The video is about how wishful thinking can lead to emotional damage. The comments are about how to mitigate severe emotional damage by large dose of copium.
And i am here just watching how this milk ages.
That is such an accurate summary lol
There was a LOT of money spent after WWII in Europe with a LOT of success so it can be done, but no, those weren't "reparations". That was from the US to rebuild Europe partially to keep those countries from turning to the USSR.
Correct. Russia was the enemy then and is still the enemy now.
It makes no sense to rebuild Russia to protect it from Russian invasion.
It was not that much. Germany got a billion, uk a bit more.
@@suchendnachwahrheit9143 What kind of stupid propaganda are you sharing. It wasn't 1 billion. It was 1.5 and at that time it was 0.5% of US gdp just to Germany alone. It was absurd amount of money.
Giving economic assistance to Russia as well would require regime change and occupation to ensure it. Thats what happened after WW2 and that's never going to happen now.
The German miracle only happened when the fascists were expelled. In Russia, the fascists will not be going anywhere when the war is over.
If they become a terror state whose only goal is invading Europe, there will be a coup orchestrated
Exactly, without regime change this question is downright silly
And give up nukes 🤣
@@jonaszukas3249 China would invade if Russia did that.
Would love to see a video on Germany's Deindustrialization next
Like most sensationalized journalism, it has been much exaggerated
@jensboettiger5286 Sure but it's important for people to know it's happening and is a problem rising
North Stream Boom-Boom by U.S. 😂 China is a Friend.
@@Go-lovathe fact that us have blown nord stream doesn't mean that china is a friend
@@Go-lova Nordstream Boom-Boom by Russia
Recover from what? Russia lives absolutely fine
Russia is not being destroyed in the same way ukraine is... their country/economy is still pretty similar to before the war.
Hes obviously a Ukraine sympathizer he probably thinks Ukraine will win this war
Young people is probably their most valuable asset which is being destroyed. And trust is a major economic asset that they threw away both from other countries and earlier mentioned young people.
@gmarefan they didn't lose trust its just the usa used economic war against them. Ukrianian has the same problem with trust as russia as companies can't be sure if their investments will be safe in a nation were they might be blown up
@@gmarefanyou know, here in Russia it doesn't look as if the economy is bad or anything. On the contrary, it seems we can wage the war for likee 10 years. Don't fool yourself, it's not a Putin's war. He isn't the most radical politician of ours. Despite the efforts of your propaganda the war is still popular because it's a people's war, not Putin's.
@@gmarefan Russia isn't getting any economic aid, is under western sanctions and yet its economy is still growing.
I'd like to point out the the idea of economic interdependency being a guarantee for peace was the reason why Russia had so much barganing power over the EU, and definitely made Putin more confident to do his little invasion. In contrast however, France and Germany had economic cooperation that was successfull. And I believe the reason was reconsiliation. A number of agreements, memorials, meetings and societal changes ensured both countries were fairly democratic and free by the time the economic interdependancy really kicked in. This shows us that societal changes must com before economic cooperation. In other words: we can't treat dictatorships the same way we treat democracies, because they do not hold the same values. In fact, their values include undermining economic partners and establishing dominance over them.
Also dictatorships much more willing to shoot their economics in the foot, hand and liver, because government much less dependent on the people and can allow them to suffer.
Very true!
The only problem is there wasn't enough economic interdependency as nearly everything the west provided Russia with is now covered by China or is still available for russian market. One top of that only a little bit of the population was employed by western companies so there couldn't be any threat to the russian economy to begin with
Ukraine is officially a dictatorship. Not a democracy. We should retrieve all our hardware a financial assistance. Ukraine literally celebrates Nazis.
@@den54321 It's only slightly covered by China, most is covered by "gray import" which creates a significant markup on prices and drives inflation. Also, China does not provide staff for cheaper that it can. And money going thought India are getting stuck there in rupees, because it does not allow to exchange them, and Russian has nothing to buy directly from it.
However, almost no economic process has an instant result and russian suppliers has a habit of keeping a surplus of everything, because interruptions of all kinds where common occurrences. So they are able to rise prices more gradually.
UPD. Still, inflation and hunger is less of an issue, when you can still feed and equip you police force and maintain army to a some degree.
Recover from what? From economic growth?
Recover from what? The current war effort is not risking Russia to default anytime soon.,,
but Russia has already technically defaulted in 2022. And no matter how much they reassure themselves that this is only media damage, not a single serious investor will ever come to such a country again.
@@ITentrepreneur investors are not only in NATO countries...
@@andrea99boban True. What is also true is that NATO's GDP is 45.65% of the world's GDP. Also, tell me how Russia will build its economy without the western market?
as far as i know russia isn't the war torn country that was split in half like germany was.
Neither was Japan. So it is not a necessary condition.
It might become such country though, because its regions are very different from each other, there is a lot of nationality based tension in it, some regions are getting milked dry and politically repressed while others thrive in dotations and not produce anything but the bandits that took over them, and separation rhetorics existed long before war ("lets make Ural a separate republic" for example, or "why do we even need Chechnya, they are only bad for the country").
Russia can, realistically, get shattered pretty much on its own, given the right socioeconomic conditions for this to happen, and war is potentially the most effective of such triggers. It may also not happen, but the likelyhood is there.
@@devo4ka_soso4ka there can be seen nothing like this atm. you can't be serious with this statement.
@@devo4ka_soso4kabro stop taking aids istg
@@viacheslavnechipurenko8231nobody thought USSR would collapse until the year 1989 came, and we all know what happened next.
It's a challenging situation because when Germany faced significant losses, the USA provided assistance through the Marshall Plan. However, this scenario doesn't align with Russia's circumstances. Russia is not receiving aid from any country to the extent that the USA supported Germany, despite some economic support from China.
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That's true. There were a lot of products at the time that said "Made in West Germany."
So, their economic plan was shared between countries. Instead of it all being in one place. Hence why Germany and Japan were able to pay off their debts from the war.
except Russia has loads of oil and lands and nuclear energy to support the whole world for ages to come. Germany had efficiency.
Aaa no.. there is more to the German Nazi story than US aid..
Recover? Russia: I think we are just fine, spasibo.
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Bro you have smaller economy than Italy that has less than Half of the people and it’s famous for poverty 😄
@@tonkasergej65 In 2023, Russia overtook the German economy in terms of GDP by PPP, according to the World Monetary Bank.
Most facilities still Rank Germany higher than russia. Russia also has nearly double the population Germany has. In regard of GDP (PPP) per capita russia only ranks 55@@imperskiikulak446
I see no similarities, for one, Germany has been pretty well developed country for the time, has had strong developments in various industries and science and well, it was completely taken over by foreign power, with the US giving them lots of support, Russia isn't getting invaded and conquered anytime soon... If anything we can at best hope for it to reform from the inside movements.
Germans also had some of the best tech and education during WW2. Ukraine is just lesser Russia with a different name
People act like Russia is the only nation with nukes, meanwhile US is the only nation that will absolutely use them.
@@WiseOwl_1408 Russia consistently produces great programmers and mathematicians, but it can't retain them, due to poor opportunities, so they migrate to other countries
@@Entropic_Meat_Machine No, actually that's the US. Quite literally the only country to have used nukes on people - twice! Never apologized for it either. And even has a policy requiring it to even invade its allies if ever a US citizen is on trial.
The only way to rebuild Russia is if we, as Russian people, can unite in understanding that the current regime and government isn't doing much for its own people in terms of economic conditions that can raise the standard of living. The current government (as well as the previous ones) is instead more focused on an expansionist course that (as the government thinks) will boost the level of support more and will help them stay in power for a longer time. But its a vicious circle which won't be leading us to any development of country in general and our society.
Search MARIUPOL and you will see how fast this well known and devastated town is being rebuild. Even Azovstal factory, made so infamous by Azov fightets, is already
in production. You people have no clue.
Recover from what? Russia is still relative fine
Recover from what exactly??? Better ask - can eu recover, especially from its stupidity. Virtual victories in YT, be it economic or military ones, make it into real world quite rarely I would say.
That map at 3:47 looks rather interesting - did I miss Central Asia joining, and the Far East leaving Russia?
Also no Kaliningrad
A key factor that the video missed when discussing (West) Germany or Japan's post-war economic recovery is that it was coupled with effective regime change, and that's why it worked. The US did not simply helped them in the recovery, but forced them to become democracies.
There makes no sense to help Russia recover or reorganize economically if their regime is unchanged. The economic interdependence theory works best with countries where governments want to avoid their people protesting due to economic hardships. In Russia the people's opinion is irrelevant, and the government can autonomously decide that economic hardship is acceptable in order to pursue ideological/expansionist goals.
What if the regime change happens in the US?
I mean, that's the only country that has been waging war on the world since the fall of the USSR.
Well said. Telling you this as a russian.
Not to mention the fact that the Chinese aren't likely to sit and let a regime change that would favour the US happen. If Russia rebuilds, it's going to be with Chinese money not American
Germany was already a democracy, isnt?
It is fantasy to imply the world will (let alone should) assist the rebuild of Russia without fundamental change in government. It is highly presumptive to think this will happen from current circumstances. Russia is headed down the Iran pathway - incredible natural wealth coupled to incompetent autocracy resulting in a global pariah. I won't support a single penny in assisting Russia until some basics are resolved.
To be fair, gap in russo-ukrainian demographic pyramids is 1/16 echo of WW II: it is mostly echo of the 90s now. If not for the collapse of the Soviet Union, this gap would have been hardly seen at all.
Actually you can see echo of WW2 three generations after due to all the unborn babies. That's why it looks like a wave
Nope, because 80s was a baby boom caused entirely by the fact that it was the time when children of war's grandchildren were being born - including myself. The 90s economic situation may have made a lull more severe, but for quite s short time - the economics was back on track by 1997, and recovered quite fast after 1998 crisis due to skyrocketing oil prices.
Truth to be told, the Russian economy isn't ruined now. Sanctions only bring some inconvenience. Russia has to buy some things for more money or produce them by itself, which can even develop the economy more than it was before. Oil is expensive now, so the Russian economy is doing fine. There's enough money for war and for developing the economy.
If it is inconvenience that was caused by sanctions after Afghanistan attack, then good 😉
@@Shineinpoverty Which Afghanistan atack?
sanctions are really meant for long term, not short term
@@iloveyounohomo And? Show me any country where sanctions changed the government. Cuba? Iran? North Korea? They never changed. And Russia is much more developed and powerful to overcome sanctiones easier. In fact, Russian economy is growing right now.
Oh but of course! The fact that Russian national budget mostly consists of military & security expenses (40%) and them doubling-down on people pleasers (social expenses for: retirees, families with children, families of the deceased) meanwhile other spheres are de facto shrinking thanks to enormous inflation (7.5% is what they say but, hey, who's counting?). All of this is screaming "Russian economy is doing fine" to me.
"Can Russia Recover Like Germany Did After World War II?" - yaaah, that is not how Russia works.
The problem is USA wanted to help Germany and grow it become European economic giant but for Russia lets be real western nations only want their natural resources nothing else
good lvl of expertise: showing map of USSR (except Belarus, Ukraine and Baltic states) and saying "Russia". Rofl
I would put it another way: will Germany be able to recover as Russia after this war?
Yes😂😂
yes, the Biden Plan is on its way
Вся суть как раз в этом... У нас полно ресурсов, есть поддержка ряда стран и экономических блоков типа BRICS. Я, как житель России, никак не чувствую СВО, хотя особо одаренные говорили мне ещё в 2014-м, что я с голоду сдохну через пару-тройку месяцев. Шел конец 2023, и я не знаю, можно ли считать покупку нового ноутбука на днях сдыханием с голоду...?
@@drinkmorecoffee5539 а если сибирь узкоглазые заберут? откуда качать будете нефть и газ и прочие ресурсы? ты ванек не расслабляйся, ссср тоже не сразу распался, и золотые 70ее закончились как и весенние заморозки
@@drinkmorecoffee5539 большая проблема в том, что мало кто был в России, поэтому они не понимают как мы живём и что это совсем не так как им показывают ☺️
Since the Russian economy is perfectly healthy, this video is redundant. And you can't demand reperations from winners, or indeed from a country that has turned it's back on a failing Western system. BRICS, OTOH, is growing and becoming more powerful and important.
@@Arnold_Slater1223 No anti-Russia countries will be allowed into BRICS. No NATO countries will be allowed into BRICS. The two are antithetical.
no. Germany was devasted,but the survivors were young. The current russians are old .
I feel sorry for the common russian citizen to be honest.
If a regime change comes sometime in the future, we best hope that Russia realigns with the West.
After all, it is a European nation with a European culture, not worth being a chinese lil man.
Peace :)
@@danieljames5423Don't feel sorry for them. The majority support their shitty, archaic, dysfunctional system. Let them reap what they sow.
@@danieljames5423 As a Russian I tell you China as a neighbour is 10 times better than Europe. At least for Russia.
Unlike US/NATO China doesn't move its military infrastructure towards Russia. Instead we have a demilitarised border. And Mongolia serves as a giant buffer.
Putin was pro-Western when he only became a president. Current Putin was molded by Western attitude towards Russia.
It would be great if Russia could live in harmony with Europe. But modern West is just dangerous.
@@danieljames5423 you know, I am Russian millenial and I wanna see this cuntry burn and rot at this point.
Germany’s survivors were young? Dig deeper man. There’s a reason why Germany and Italy are the oldest countries in Europe
Now make a video about can America ever recover from its path of self-destruction.
We Americans are doing just fine we Americans are not heading for a collapse or self destruction it is Russia, China, Cuba, and North Korea that are heading towards self destruction and collapse not us Americans.
I wonder who will save America this time: an old senile person under impeachment or a criminal under investigation?
No hope
Recover from what?? Russian economy is hurt but not as much western general public is lead to believe 🤣🤡
How to recover when it did not failed?
For the whole video, I was shouting at the screen, "Whats the point?". Russia is a counterexample to everything we have known about economics. You dont need to go on a silicon valley craze or "diversity your economy". Just dig out things from the ground and sell it to those who dont have it.
Russia might be poor on paper, but purchasing power parity adjusted, it is richer than Germany.
Recover from what exactly?
Watching this video once again convinced me that the Western world does not understand Russia and Russian people at all. After the Russian Empire lost the war to Japan in 1905 during the peace talks, the minister representing Russia said: "Russians don't pay reparations." This is still relevant - Russians do not pay reparations. And Russians very rarely lose wars, which is why it is the largest country in the world. And apparently - the current conflict - will not be an exception. Therefore, in principle, it is not very clear what reparations are being discussed here.
Russians don't pay reparations, cause we don't have money after the war... or before. =D
Russian culture is not the reason that quote was said - the reason was because the Russians knew that while Japan did win a war, the Japanese lacked resources to convert into a total victory, so the Russian delegation had a leg to stand on and pry more favourable terms for their side.
You right, but more correct will be russians rarely admit defeat in wars. The generation born after the collapse of the USSR is European. Families and private property of the Russian elite lived for many years in Europe and the United States. Even after the start of the war in Ukraine, many of them were not subject to sanctions and continue to be there. Even the purpose of the war in Ukraine is to increase influence in Europe, and not to fight against capitalism or for resources. Russia's reorientation to Asia is not a strategic plan but a necessary measure. Therefore, it is still possible to receive reparations from Russia if Russia wants to remain part of the Western world. But if a decision is finally made, it will withdraw into itself like North Korea, or a final reorientation to Asia. Yes, there will be no reparations.
Будем не репарации платить а компенсации. Как бы тебе Ваня не хотелось, но будем ибо еслиб ты хоть что то в этом понимал то знал бы что это одна из тех вещей необходимых для восстановления репутации. И если ты хочешь чтобы бы не хуй без соли доедали а сделали Россию самой богатой страной в Европе то это нужно сделать
Nice joke about russians never loosing ears
Russia has nothing to recover from, there is GDP growth there due to increased independence and unity of people to oppose the west (remove nato from our borders and there would be none of this). We will help Ukraine to recover if it becomes neutral again according to the law of 91 after the collapse of the union, which we are forcing it to do, after all the broken treaties we have the only method left - force. And yes I don't support war, but every country has the right to preventive self defense, respect this UN right.
"The war is redistributing Russia's wealth to poorer regions of the country"
Probably outweighed by the fact that Russia is also disproportionately drafting and recruiting from those same regions, and thus a greater percentage are becoming casualties.
[EDIT: I might not have phrased my original post correctly, but man some of you are deliberately misreading what I said, or you're just straight up lying. I'm going to find a source proving what I'm talking about, and I recommend you all do the same.]
Particularly when the supposed recipients of this wealth redistribution are used as cannon fodder.
@@Jondiceful but their families are getting a lada, some potatoes and a goat. that's already "redistributing wealth" by russian standards! 🤣
It also assumes they are getting paid.
Which brings in even more wealth due to pensions
More western BS. Even the Chechen legions are 50% Russians and 20% Chechen. Gads, but you westerns are absolutely brainwashed clueless ...all the better, the shock of your loss and defeat will be that much more crushing
Who is gonna provide a Marshall Plan for Russia? China? i don't think so
If you don't know there is an alliance between China, Russia and Saudi Arabia then you are clueless
Add India in there too in your research
@@chiquita683That's more of a somewhat regular conference than an alliance.
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An alliance yes, but why would they spend billions on Russia? The only ones who could afford to give the sums required is China and China always wants something back in exchange. And for billions they'd probably take over the rights to water sources in eastern Russia as well as many ports and key industries. It would basically be a massive payout and loss of influence and power to China on internal matters and industries
@@chiquita683 The only way that China would be willing to give that level of aid to Russia is if Putin agreed to become a de-facto vassal state of China, which isn't going to happen.
About migration - there is more than 380 million of Russian speaking people in the world, mostly in countries from previous Soviet union, and there is a big labor migration from these countries to Russia, it is so rapid that it is becoming a bit of a problem)
So not a valid argument 😂
Furthermore, just one of the thoughts from the mind, there is a big it sector with a fine quality, which validates all across the world
A lot of other arguments are obscure as well
That is the question for Ukraine, not for Russia. Russia is still untouched in terms of devastation.
Russian situation isn’t bad at all, especially compared to Germany past it present. This question is better to address to current Germany.
russia is worse, it don't have anything to save it. No skilled workforce, no resources they can sell, they are literally saudi arabians but with vodka and unable to sell oil
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I think it's not that hard to recover from Ikea disappearing for a couple of years 😂
We already did
Chinese companies took the place of western companies, and are delivering products to Russian at lower price, just look at car and electronics market in Russia from Chinese companies
West wasn't interested in integrating Russia when USSR lost its 40 year long cold war and got major societal and cultural changes inside. There is no reasons to expect West to be interested in Russia becoming even a little bit more prosperous this time too, no matter how this conflict will end.
Russia will either be able to slowly become better without the western countries, or turn into North Korea, which is definitely more preferable to the western countries. If governmental changes and losses in USSR dissolutions weren't enough to make the West willing to integrate Russia, loss in current war even supplemented with revolution and complete change of government won't be able to do this too. So no, this isn't a third option.
Well, yeah. The West wants someone like Yeltsin back in charge of Russia. One of the reasons Putin is so popular is because he is against many of Yeltsin's policy decisions. Talk to anyone who grew up in Yeltsin's Russia, or parents who raised there children in there. The only people who liked Yeltsin's Russia were the Bratva, the Oligarchs, and the West.
Yes, Russia is on its own, now and for foreseeable future.
Though I dont know how becoming same as North Korea (largest prison colony on the planet) is a good thing.
@@TranscenGopher for Russia it’s not good in any way.
It’s “good” only for USA and its allies
That is a very insightful comment deliberately missed in the video. The west had already a chance to make Russia prosperous and integrated country in 1990s when all the US and european economic advisors came into Russia. But they only helped to organize Oligarchy/Coroprate state - just like as they did with South Korea.
@@LazyPictures How?
Russia didn't want to adopt European standards, economic system and social liberty and it is not like the west could ''force'' Yeltsin to step down. Some sort of Marshall plan also wouldn't have worked due to corruption. Russia just had to unfortunate situation they elected a drunk, and later a crook, that's why it is what it is today.
There is a famous saying in India…”Yuddh me jeeta hua pradhanmantri kabhi election nahi haarta hai…” which translates to “The Prime Minister/Leader who wins the war, never loses the elections”. I am bringing this up because EE said there is political instability in Russia…
Never heard of it btw Yudh is correct word Jung is incorrect
And is there a corollary saying about leaders who lose a war, or have it drag on indefinitely? Or perhaps a pyrrhic victory?
Counterpoint: Winston Churchill.
@@watchm4ker Counter-counter-counterpoint: George Bush Sr.
Sayings are not a reliable source of truth or knowledge. If they were, then why isn't my hair curly despite always eating the crust.
In order to recover you first need to lose, we haven't yet and we won't
13:20 Even before the start of Covid, thanks to IT companies, salaries in the regions began to increase and now there is no difference by an order of magnitude. After Covid, not only IT companies began to practice remote work, which also led to a slowdown in wage growth in Moscow and St. Petersburg and partial alignment with the regions, especially warm ones.
That factory at 12.01 is Volklingen in Germany. It is a museum. Super cool to visit.
Thanks for the chuckle as usual
I've followed russian defence opinion before the war started. On the day russia invaded, local analysts clearly stated that it would last more than a decade. In the process, ukraine would cease to exist.
4:54 I don't think the Soviet Union, West Germany, Italy, Canada or Brazil existed in 1780 💀
I'm not sure you did your research about what companies operated in Russia and why. Starting at 8:30.
I think it should be very obvious that the situation in Germany after WWII is extremely different than even the most optimistic end-result of the Ukraine-Russia war. Germany had an unconditional surrender in WWII, that is why it was possible to bring it back into the fold. The reason Germany was not brought back into the fold after WWI was because it was not a total defeat, it was a negotiated settlement. What I'm saying is, unfortunately, the end-result situation regarding Russia's invasion will probably be way more of an analogue for the end-result of WWI than WWII. In the nuclear age, things are very different and the only hope for a 'back into the fold' situation is if Putin is overthrown from within by someone who is willing to drastically change Russian foreign policy and move Russia more towards true democratization. It's possible, but I won't hold my breath. Without this situation it would be absolutely foolish to empower a Russia who is biding its time with another philsoviet ruler who views the West as their ultimate enemy, and is eyeing any and all post-eastern-bloc states that do not fall directly under NATO protection.
All of this to say, how can you help build-up a government who is still ostensibly hostile to you? This is why France the UK & US allies etc. were not so quick to try to get Germany back on track post-WWI & chose indemnities-- not because it made good sense economically, but because it just didn't make sense to strengthen someone who is still ostensibly sovereign & made up of many of the same hostile actors, and still ostensibly very much more likely to wind-up as foe than friend... There was a French statesman who said WWI should have continued until they achieved unconditional surrender, because what they have achieved is not peace but a 20 year cease-fire... He was right.
That is the situation we have now in Ukraine; barring the extraordinary, there is no situation where we can actually expect Russia to act in good faith in a 'return to the fold' scenario as Germany did post-WWII, because there is almost no eventuality where the end-result of the war is 'unconditional & total surrender of Russia'. How can we build up Russia when we know Russia is still hostile to Ukraine & the West, and WILL invade again as soon as possible? We can't. Unless there is a complete overthrow of the current system which frankly I find hard to believe.
Not only do you need a complete overthrow of the current system, you'd need to be convinced that the new system couldn't be overthrown with something worse.
@@richdobbs6595 Which after WWII was achieved through occupation
You know... Russians didn't harbor any hate towards "the West" (TM) up until 2014, when they got sanctioned and ruble folded in half. At that time only eastern europeans shouted hateful things toward Russia. Nowadays, Eastern Europe is bursting with hate towards Russia, other EU states are at best lukewarm and at worst dislike Russia (except Britain). Russia is too starting to hate Europeans, majority of population in big cities are still more or less neutral, but regular people who volunteered or got drafted are starting to hate Europeans, my point is how can you "return to the fold" to countries that hate you and want you decapitated?
@@stevexracer4309 call it whatever you want, but organized mass fighting between states are called war in my book
I agree?
No really tho, not at all.
At least as far as what you said of Germany was concerned.
Germany and France have had a kind of beef ever since Bismark decided to officialize his new state by taking out France and signing the papers in... Versailles I think it was?
No chill from him, that's for sure.
In any case, there were some very clear motives as to why the Germans had to show such a hand but I'll spare you the details.
Point is, by the end of WW1, France, the UK etc were basically begging for another war.
They left Germany in a state which could only be described as "financial apocalypse"
Those images of kids playing with mountains of useless money? Yeah, they come from that period.
Even then they were recovering thanks to the US but then... Yeah...
Getting an unconditional surrender wouldn't have changed that, not unless France decided to do something drastic like fragment Germany once again.
They would've just felt even more humiliated and a dictator or some other party would've eventually come to crash the party anyways.
As for Russia? Idk, honestly I don't see Putin getting toppled anytime soon.
Not unless some assassination attempt gets a really lucky shot.
To help a former enemy is not necessary to obtain an unconditional surrender but for it to work they mustn't see you as the enemy anymore.
By the end of WW2 everyone was sick of war and Germany... Well, it was a thing but not really? You know, with the Berlin wall etc...
Same from Japan, tho in this case given the extensive brainwashing of its population the emperor was needed to calm the waters.
I foresee another Cold War or something similar. Unless someone decides to press the big red button and end the world that is.
The thing is you can commit many war crimes as long you can build nice cars. That's the secret.
*the best cars an chemical factories
[We got the experience from somewhere, sciennnncccceee määäänn]
1:58 why didnot the USA pay for the destruction of Iraq ?
What was $20 billion not enough from the US? Russia canceling $8 billion of Iraq's debt to them not enough?
Can Ukraine recover after this as Germany once did, the right question.
You start with how much this absurd invasion costs the world, but could you maybe make a video about how much arms manufacturers make during these conflicts? Maybe you could do another video after that one about lobbying?
We did a video recently about military spending - it costs a fortune and while it destroys a lot of value in an economy, there is a game theoretic problem behind why countries can't stop producing weapons and training soldiers: th-cam.com/video/Vg9Aiz2piew/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0WL9X2ZKN1cIFJ-R
Thanks so much for the reply! @@EconomicsExplained
Russia isn't going to stop until it secures Ukraine, regardless of cost. It is too well placed geographically for them to let NATO have it.
Or if the government gets somehow couped.
@@NjerimebananeIsn’t going to happen as the whole sitting government supports the war with those who are against it having left the country.
Only way to stop Russia is to either nuke it or bring all of NATO into the war.
@@Njerimebananeain't happening.
@@user-dg9hq8uz3g Do you think people expected the russian revolution in 1914?
@@Njerimebanane There was no revolution at 1914.
Learn facts, amateur.
6:38 - Это "Дачи" для летнего досуга. Конечно некоторые живут там, но в основном только летом.
Soviets also helped to recover Germany after WW2 in East. And when it was done Soviets being leave, US - not. Germany, Japan and South Korea still in military and political occupation by US more than 50 years each.
yeah with berlin wall ....people live like rats,and was other side americans and Uk and people live like normal people so please
I think this video focused on the wrong country. Of the two, Ukraine is the one more likely to experience the economic consequences and opportunities of rebuilding. Of course, where we would be in the West without perennially obsessing over Russia and Russians instead of thinking about our allies and the people who actually sorta like us in the region?
Did you watch the video ? It's litteraly a video on RUSSIA.
@@alganis3339 Yes. My point is that it shouldn't have been.
Yeah, he mentions the devastation in Ukraine a couple times and only in passing maybe twice in any post-war scenario, but what's the point? Russia isn't the one being bombed to oblivion and the sanctions are yet to have much impact by his own admission.
@@bjhale You know that there is thousands of videos on how Ukraine could recover after the war already ? Why complaining on ONE about Russia...
If I'm not mistaken, EE already created a video about ukraine recovery ...
Recover from what? This war has of course become costly and economically challenging for Russia but the war is not going on Russia's territory, their industry and infrastructure is not being destroyed. Most of Russia lives like there's no war at all.
@@sstuufff8737 Ukraine is shelling random villages on the border apparently used by the Russians for artillery deployment, and is checking Russian air defence in deep with drones from time to time. Their only major success was damaging the Crimean bridge. Which the russians restored anyway. Single Nord Stream gas pipeline explosion created more financial problems for the Russians than all attacks on their territory in 20 months combined. Russia's biggest challenge will be to reconstruct cities in the annexed regions severely damaged by war. In case they don't loose them to Ukraine.
Recover after freaking what!?😂😂😂
I would love to see a video on the affect of renewable energy on geopolitics and economies
Who would likely help Russia with a post-war economic recovery:
China
North Korea
Iran
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Azerbaijan
Turkey (maybe)
Serbia
Slovakia
Hungary
Brazil
Argentina
China, nah, Russians will be backstabbed and get as much as Russian territory as possible similar to Chinas neighbor like India. NOrth korea is chinas pet. Iran, they only consider Russia as customer to thier weapons, Saudi, then there will be no US protection, Syria, still in civil war, Azerbaijan, they are small, Turkey, unsure, it depends on what Russia can give to turkey, Serbia and slovakia same with azerbaijan, slovakia, same, hungary, i hope it can withstand other EU nation pressure, Brazil and Argentina are too far. US could offer better economically, check germany and japan after ww2
Perhaps India as well.
I wouldn't hold my breath
Exept Turkey, Erdogan seems extremely opportunistic when it comes to this conflict
Realistically, only China has the money, willingness to do so and capital overall to properly rebuild Russia imo
None of these coinage the economic wherewithal to lift Russia. Argentina? Really? Joking?
The map of Russia around 3:50 included central Asia lol
This is a propaganda and emotional video. EE isn't a serious dude
@@WiseOwl_1408I thought the same with his "hopefully" etc.
He was also talking about the labour theory of value in his education video etc.
Yupp, big sus
@@WiseOwl_1408 Nah that's just a shitty map. It doesn't even include Vladivostok or North Sachalin. This map will make noone happy.
Are you blind? There's a clear line that shows the country borders. It's CIS-states
"Within our lifetimes." Erm, China became a global economic superpower from a state of agrarian peasantry in about 20 years. From a purely economic standpoint on the world stage, ignoring all other rhetoric, the invasion of Ukraine for it's repurposing into a nation capable of using it's resources more efficiently seemed like a pretty obvious goal.
I'd say it took more like 30 years from Deng Xiaopeng's reforms for China to become an economic superpower (roughly 1980 to 2010.
hmmmm
Chinese development was just stupidly fast, amazing really no wonder they call it rhe "Chinese century"
@@celeridad6972 most of it is unsustained growth funded by rapid credit expansion. Nowadays they're already facing future population crisis as their current generation is one of the most aged in the world.
Just like the Russian empire transitioned to the USSR
It is enormously satisfying to hear guys with British accent dreaming about themselves ruling the world, deciding who is a pariah state and who is a respected member of the international community, and how a defeated Russia is going to pay reparations to Ukraine and recover itself. The more devoid from reality the adversarial side is, the better for Russia.
He’s Australian but whatever, truly so
@@inikans123 fuckin colonies anyway)
His accent is not even slightly British. He's Australian.
True
3:47 What even is this map? It's like if you asked a random person on the street to draw the borders of Russia 💀
“If Russia is ever going to recover and build the globally competitive economy, which it has the ability to do, it’s going to need a stable, confidence-inspiring government.” I heard this and thought he was heading into a sponsorship ad.
Russia's GDP has already recovered, but the author of this video will not be paid for this information
@@konstantinbush295 Russia doesn't publish GDP data anymore. You can only make educated guesses by piecing together it from import/export data to Russia from other countries.
There are more interesting phenomenons in Russia like pollution in Russia drastically doing down, which means factories are closing down.
@@thundereagle4130 Your information is incorrect. Russia publishes GDP data. In the 2nd quarter of 2023, Russia's GDP grew by +4.9% y/y. Industrial production soared +5.4% y/y in August. The S&P Global Russia Manufacturing PMI rose to 54.5 in September 2023, the highest since 2017.
Just don't believe everything propaganda tells you
My friend. Russia is already building a global, competitive economy . It 's just not advertised . I'll tell you a secret. Hundreds of new modern factories are opening in Russia every year. Power plants are being built . Roads , ports , bridges , and airports are being massively built . By 2030, Russia will become a powerful global industrial and technological center.
@@thundereagle4130 Your misconception is that you do not know the structure of the Russian economy. Therefore, you draw conclusions about its condition based on import/export data. The fact is that Russia's economy is not export-import oriented. The Russian economy is 90% focused on the domestic market. For your own consumption . Russia has a huge potential in the development of domestic consumption. This is the main focus of development in Russia today.
Your second misconception . The sharp decrease in environmental pollution in Russia is not due to the closure of factories , but to the transition of Russian industry to high environmental standards.
that's odd. Why were your videos uploaded to curiosity stream directly, when you already get curiosity stream with Nebula?
did Economics Explained leave Nebula?
Putin spends much of his time trying to make himself immune from sanctions. He isn't going to diversify the economy because as you stated, a diversified economy is more susceptible to sanctions and he prefers his autonomy.
Putin spends much of his time trying to make himself immune from sanctions... WHAT ?
@@LexMakarov man, this place is like psychiatrics
Seriously?? And then how did it happen that under Putin, new factories and factories are opening en masse in Russia?? And the agricultural sector has tripled . And today Russia is the world leader in grain exports.
Germany's resolve is something else
It's capacity for evil has no equal outside of china.
(winks 😉) *_Deutsche Qualitat_*
@@WiseOwl_1408Japans evil exceeds both Germany and china lol
The big problem is that the current political system in Russia exists primarily to keep the government safe. Even the extreme corruption is a vital part of that. You cannot turn Russia into a good global citizen through economics alone when the system does not want that to happen. Europe tried to pacify Russia by building economic interdependence but the Russian system took it as a signal that Europe would be too scared and dependent to stop its imperialist ambitions.
"Europe tried to pacify Russia"
Do you have any knowledge of history at all? Europe (and the US) took advantage of Russia's weakness following the collapse of the USSR, exploited it, and created Putin's rise.
@@LancesArmorStriking RF population supports occupation of Ukraine since 2014 but "Europe and US created Putin regime" 🤡
europe buy cheap gas to be competitive in the global market noting more
I swear if I hear that quote about predicting the future again I’m going to scream
Why nobody told me that this war is won already? Oh, and who's the winner?
14:14 The demographics in Russia, where there is a special military operation, are better than in Japan, where there is none. Millions of ethnically Russian refugees from Ukraine (including its former territories) have led to a noticeable increase in the country's population
Japan also has much less territory, and isnt under the most strict sanctions ever imposed with a prospect of having to pay tremendous reparations. Its demographic situation is just that: a demographic situation. Not another reason why it'll be incredibly hard to overcome obstacles they'll never have to face.
Sounds like copium
@@devo4ka_soso4kareparations are wishful thinking (try it) and sanctions as we see it after more than a year, again, historically never work
Economic codependency is not a guaranteer of peace between nations (especially those with opposing values). If anything, it provides an incentive for authoritarian regimes to pursue war against their neighbours.
So long as they’re willing to sabotage their own economies in the pursuit of some long-term strategic interest, they can destabilise the very nations that would normally stand up against their acts of aggression with the flick of a switch.
If we want to prevent a future conflict, the solution needs to be economic AND political.
Excellent video btw.
This war is proof of the failure of "codependency". It only affected the European countries.
The Nord Stream was blown up so that Germany wouldn't be held back by the potential loss of gas anymore. They didn't want to go against Russia, addicted to the gas teet.
Absolutely despicable what we're allowing Russia to do. The West has become feminised and soft, a bloc for other countries to use and throw away, not respect.
With all due respect I highly doubt about 500000 death toll cuz it's literally half of the entire military force of Russia
He says "dead or wounded" for both sides at 0:24, not just "dead"
You mean can Russia recover like Russia did after WW2 ? I think there's a mistake in the title ;)
Since the Treaty of Versailles, war reparations have fallen out of vogue. And rightly so.
The problem Russia has is their logistics. I know their country has a serious problem with corruption and oligarchs. Which is why they can't get stuff done.
Then they think waging a war is somehow going to help them economically. When they could have just been more logical, and work with what they already had. Like what many other European countries had to do in the past.
Their worst enemy isn't NATO or Europe. It's their own system.
Psychologists in East Asia call this "Little Emperor syndrome." But I guess the word Tsarina works too.
Who said that the war was about economics? It's not the first time they invade someone ostensibly for no reason. It's about the imperial ego of putin and russians themselves.
The real problem with russia is their society. Always has been.
What makes you think they ever thought 'waging a war is somehow going to help them economically'? Who goes into war thinking that? They made a clear offer to NATO prior to going to war, the same thing they've been saying for the last 30 years. It was dismissed by NATO again, just as it has been for 30 years, and THEN they went to war. Pretty clear what they were after.
@@user-gy9qf8nt5p "invade someone ostensibly for no reason" - no nation goes to war for 'no reason' lol. Russia made it very clear what its reasons were, including an offer not to go to war. Ain't got nothing to do with egos. It's simply as Clausewitz put it, 'war is politics by other means'. They tried diplomacy for 30 years. The west didn't listen.
NATO is the enemy and if Russians didn't act it would have ended worse than the current situation
I don't see Germany's "Recovery". I See its Occupation.
The median income is actially above 7k however what most people miss is the price of all goods and servives there
Short answer yes
A nicely produced video, but I can't help but think it would of been so much better if you'd actually been to both countries in order to make judgements on them.
You mean Russia and Germany ?
Yes👍
Would you visit North Korea if you were planning to make video about it?
Why not?@@user-gt2th3wz9c
You don't have to go anywhere to create fake news. It is enough to have the required paid order.
He can someone tell me what kind of street decoration can be seen in Minute 10:32 left and right of the street. Under Image search/solar trees/mechanical trees i cant find something. The name of the place could be helpful too.
Is Germany an independent country? Does Germany have sovereignty?
@@j_b3904yeah, its so independent that it has a limited say in its military...
@@GloverfieldEurope is trying to get Germany military build up again the problem is that Germans don't won't that
@@user-ct7mw9yu6nIsn’t Germany the country that proposed an United European military?
@@darth3911 If its true than thats a good thing
@@darth3911 but they have been neglecting their military since the fall of the USSR
@1:02 - Ukraine is NOT the "poorest country in all of Europe." Georgia and Armenia are much poorer.
@4:53 - There's a typo in this infographic. It should NOT state "1780"
Errors are rampant here.
Georgia is richer than Ukraine, while Armenia can be argued as an Asian nation.
bro really talks about russian-ukrainian conflict like it is some kind of a world war where all involved countries are equally strong instead of a significantly bigger country taking control over a significantly smaller country
Not sure what Russia needs to rebuild from, there economy is growing unlike nearly all western countries, the expansions of BRICS is a massive move in world economics. Sanctions have hurt those imposing them more than Russia.
the sanctions had been good for russia actually in the longterm. Since they couldnt import a lot of stuff, they have to produce it themselves and its showing. Russia is just doing fine, had the biggest growth in production capacity of all countries in the world, reported by JPMorgan
Another great vid.
Can somebody explain why would russia want to change? It's a major supplier of oil and a participant in a basically monopoly organisation that supplies oil. If OPEC decides it wants prices to be 150 USD/barrel it can do it, no?
It's not like the world will just stop buying and wait for a discount :/
Another obstacle, of course, is its geography that features few developed international deepwater ports on the scale of those on the Pacific Rim.
Geography does a play a huge role in this. The Sea of Azov is Russia's equivalent of the Gulf of Mexico, with the river systems feeding it as important to it's economy as the Mississippi is to the US. To have an enemy on those waters is a major threat to its economy, which is why the US acted the way it did with Cuba in the 60's and why Russia is acting the way it is now.
@@2x2is22 Had Russia built a functioning economy and not decided to be a looming threat to all the former Warsaw Pact & Soviet states that would be a non-issue.
@@recoil53 Yes Russia doesn't have enermy's it makes them .
@@recoil53
"Decided not to be a looming threat"
Sounds like its mere existence is a problem to you.
Since Russia in the 1990s already opened up completely to the West economically, culturally, and politically, and that apparently isn't enough for it to stop being a "looming threat", what *is* good enough for you people?
Willingly Balkanize ourselves? Give you all of our natural resources for free, rather than for cheap, like in the 1990s?
You list off these standards purely to denigrate Russia as if it hasn't already tried reaching them and paid dearly for it.
Westerners will never admit that their entire societies, their international bloc, has done very bad things to a country that currently threatens them.
You won't admit it for China (century of occupation, Opium Wars, Nanking) Russia (1990s forced privatization) Iran (overthrew their democratic government) or North Korea (destroted all civilian infrastructure in Korean War) because accurately painting any one as an aggrieved party puts fault on you.
It lessens the power your self-crafted narrative of being "the leaders of the world" gives you.
It shows you for what you really are: opportunistic, greedy empires who've found that they can extend the shelf life of their dominance by pretending to have moral authority, in spite of being the same empires they lecture against becoming.
@@LancesArmorStriking Sounds like you really can't read well.
Russia is not a looming threat because it exists.
This may be a slightly weird question, since you can barely hear it, but what's the background music in this video?
Recover? recover from what? A defeat that doesn't exist? lol
Russia will recover and go on improving economically and militarily because it has most resources and huge markets within BRICS and elsewhere!
В пример привели Германию и Японию которые и так были достаточно развиты, особенно Германия на тот момент. А как успехи с Ираком, Ливией, афганистаном, страны африки? Слабо из ничего создать процветающее государство? Если это видео считается неким анализом, то аналитик так себе.
Сильно ли япония была продвинута после двух ядерок?
2:25 poor Italy got completely ignored😅😅
Tittle should be "Can Ukraine Recover Like Germany Did After World War II?"
As an Indian, I may not like Putin, but we have high respect for Russians for how they held us at times when the world considered us unwanted (when we got independent).
Russians are very nice people, don't believe what the media portrays them.
Same for the Chinese, I've met them and they're very honest people, though I hate their country's ruling political party.
I lived in Russia. They, by and large, are not good people.
All Indians I met were very nice. A lil bit loud, but very nice)
Peace, brother!
@@basil_lom Do you guys celebrate the Orthodox Christmas in January even now?
@@abc_cba Yeah) 7.01. But I'm not religious and my family don't celebrate it. Why are you asking?)
Russia recovered from WW II almost alone without help. This conflict in Ukraine is not even close to amount of damage done by WW II Russia will be fine, actualy they are already good with their economic.
Russia will not be fine Russia 🇷🇺 is already on the path to collapsing for the 3rd time in its history Russia has collapsed in 1917 and again in 1991 Russias 3rd collapse is right around the corner Russias days are numbered Russia will be collapsing within the next several years to a decade or so it’s only a matter of time.
It never reached Germany's level - a country russia defeated. Now eastern european countries have economies that are stronger than yours.