How to Buy the Right 4WD
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- How to Buy the Right 4WD
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My thoughts on a touring set-up when you have a family. The reality is that when you have a medium to large family, you need a wagon. Extra seats, enclosed area for shopping, etc, wagons are just better family cars (unless you want to spend more on canopies and luggage organising systems for utes, but your still limited with seats. Also, realistically, who can afford a Y62 or a 200? Not many.
So, touring with a family in your wagon. Put the essentials on your vehicle to protect it. Don't have to get heavy weight everything, but at least rock sliders, a tubular bull bar, a winch. Then to go touring, get a camper trailer. You can put all your gear, fridge, extra fuel, water etc in that. It then becomes feasable to use your wagon for touring. Plus, you now have the flexibility to unhitch the trailer and do day trips without the extra weight. You don't have that option if you have a 'hero' touring vehicle. Just my thoughts.
Reason why I got a prado, most underestimated 4wd offroad, the tc is amazing and a factory 150l tank.
if you buy a y62 or 200,,,,your not going 4x4ing.or anywhere serious.they both have ifs,big no no..stay on the bitumen.dirt roads.theres no choice for a decent vehicle in this country.like a nissan titan,or toyota tundra.NOT,mall crawlers..
Ronny you didn’t mention the Pajero! You’re killing me!
Ronny was only talking about 4wds
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Always love the vids Ronny! Really helping out when I try choose a 4x4
It also need s to be mentioned that if you're towing, the tow ball weight of the trailer needs to be included in your GVM calculations.
Awesome vid Ronny, the gvm explanation hit me pretty hard as I’ve got the fortuner. Grateful for your time and effort 👍🏽
I just went for a '23 Gladiator Rubicon. Just using it for camping mainly, but it can basically go anywhere and saved a little over ten grand after heavy bargaining with the dealer.😊 I'm not in Australia so I'm sure that makes a difference.
Thanks Ron, i'm in the "research" stage of getting a 4wd. Your vids are awesome and super helpful! Was leaning towards a Ute but this backs it up even more. Keep up the good work!
Man! talk about spot on timing, I learnt what I needed to know as I go to buy my 1st 4x4. Thanks heaps!
Great video Ronny going through this process my self real soon great advice.
Ronny - really enjoying these type of videos from you! Especially for the fact that you cut through all the BS!! ❤️🐞
Excellent video Ronnie so many people don,t do the maths thank you for showing the public needs to be more of this shown
As always Ronny , great video and great advice . It’s amazing how the weight just adds up very quickly . 👍🍻
Great vid Ronny... very helpful especially about the GVM. Thanks
Best Advice, Keep it Light, your vehicle will Thank You
Good stuff mate! Interesting to see once most vehicles compared between each...
Be good to see 80s + 90s 4wds vs today's 4wds
BEST VIDEO FOR ROOKIES LIKE ME CONSIDERING WHAT TO GET AND WHAT TO ADD. WHAT A BEAUTY RONNY!!!
Excellent video Rohnny. Love the channel, Thx mate !
Nice video Ronny, this is the improvement that I did everything right..
I love watching your videos dude. Keep it up!
Good work Ronny and thanks, lots of effort went into that video.
ROBUST COMPLETE AND PERFECT. No other words. Except appreciate all the hard work youve put in to gather all that info and bother to pen it down on the white board. That really reflect your love and commitment for both your own self and your neighbors! Youre really loving your neighbors as yourself!! Hope youve worked on even the 1st great commandment too though (not to jeopardize the 2nd one if youve not, without which the world has become a bad place). God bless you Ronny. God speed.
I was taking notes during the video... In Costa Rica we can cut that list a lot, but in Australia a some of parts of the list are a "must". Thanks for every piece of info and tips!. Good videos!
Air Oil Separator on the crank case breather would be up there on new engine mods for me.
Awesome episode, thanks Ronny!
A video on how the manufacturers/dealers actually carry out a GVM up grade on various vehicles would be interesting.
Indeed! Please do this one Ron.
Its nothing special. Just an approved and tested suspension kit fitted, a new mod plate and a registration with main roads. Its all bit of a rort tbh, no upgrading of brakes chassis bracing ect ect.
just calculate the net weight of the addon accesories and headout to instal a suspension rated for the resultant weight..... you are good to go....
@@krump7429 Yep.... Braking being a massive one !
@@krump7429 It's more complicated than that, a lot more
Your videos are some of the best in the 4wd community for newcomers like myself.
You once again have given us a great show
Great tips on this. I especially loved hearing "drive your vehicle before doing anything to it at all." I can't tell you how often I see people modding their vehicles before ever taking it anywhere. I've removed several things from my "expected mod" list just simply by testing it in stock form and then slowly adding things here and there over the years as I see needed. It's amazing what you don't *need* when you have the right vehicles or only have access to limited locations
Ronny your warming my heart....
Live here in Perth and looking towards the end of 2022 full time retirement and doing serious research on what 4x4 to buy.
Your honesty really is great....
I will get more info from you & your videos and if need be DM You
Keep up the great work mate....
Congrats for the video! Well done!
Good clip and info Ronny, thanks.
Great information Ronnie, especially the detailed GVM info. As a person who did fk up and went out and bought a new 4wd without knowing anything about 4wds or 4w driving or modifications or anything this is really really informative. I did have some mods fitted at purchase before I picked up my vehicle from the dealer and now after learning a tonne of important info about my vehicle, modifications, accessories and 4w driving and touring I would do things differently should I ever go to purchase a new 4wd again. Thankfully I did do one smart thing and got a hilux SR5 which I don't regret in the slightest. I think the hilux is awesome.
My best piece of advice for someone NEW to owning a 4wd and 4w driving is to buy a cheap 4wd first and join a local 4wd club, watch videos on youtube such as 4wheeling Australia and 4wd 24/7 and others that also pass on valuable 4wd information. Learn as much as you can, from that info then work out what 4wd you want, what modifications and accessories you want/need from the start and what mods/accessories you can get over time. Then start looking for your new 4wd.
Loved it!!! Always informative
excellent info mate. the way you explained the GVM stuff was easy to follow and not nearly as dull as just reading about it. even prompted me to calculate mine! the only thing i would add is that you do not need to spend a fortune on a vehicle to get out there. i bought a 300tdi Disco 1 with 280k on it, and have done a lot in it including some epic outback trips etc. i had to spruce it up a bit, but all in for about 8k, including a rooftop tent
Thanks Ronny. Love your tips!!!
Very very helpful, Mate! Thanks for this!
Excellent gr8 presentaion not only clears but helps also lot of doubts and conceptions. Thx from BC.CAN.
Excellent video Ronny. Stand out tip for me is drive and get to know your vehicle before modifying it.. I’ve gone full circle now and back to a light, minimal setup and loving it 👍
Excellent video. Learned a lot. Thanks.
Awesome video mate. A wealth of information.
This is a very interesting video. Thanks for taking the time to make it. It looks like the LC or disco is a good option once you consider Ute+tray. Also you can save quite a bit of weight by removing the extra seats from a wagon. Quite hard to remove weight from a Ute. I might be trying to justify my own choice :-). Btw. You forgot to add the new defender. It’s numbers will look pretty amazing
Ronny, bloody good tips. THANKS
Amazine video Ronny well done!!!
Fantastic video, quite comprehensive, helpful. Thanks very much.
Did I miss: safety ( star ratings), reliability ( dust leak, dpf, injectors, electronics etc), spares availability etc
Great video!! It seems to be a very expensive hobby, yet very exciting though. For my wallet the best way is to sit comfy and enjoy your videos!!
Great info as always Ronny. Only thing you forgot to mention when talking about vehicle GVM limits was the need to allow for the tow ball down weight if you are planning to tow a camper trailer or caravan. This can easily be another 150 - 200 added to your GVM! Far too many people forget to account for this when thinking about their vehicle's weight.
Amazing and revealing comparision on "the hard truth" part.
great video (as usual) Ronny :) Reminds me to think carefully about GVM and not just how the 4wd will suit day to day trips. Cheers, Don (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
Nice one Ronny. Thanks mate.
Fantastic work Ronny! You're getting better at this. As i said before in other videos, that's the biggest mistake people make when buying a ute....putting a heavy steel tray on it. For touring it is an absolute waste of strength and weight. You only need a steel tray for heavy mining or farming applications. I saved about 200kgs on my 79 by ordering a heavy duty alloy troy from factory and even with a full sized alloy canopy on the tray it is STILL lighter than having just a steel tray. The canopy weighs about 150kgs with drawers and a full size shelf 2 thirds up. I've done the Oodnadatta track, West Mereenie Loop, Rainbow Valley etc on some of the roughest outback tracks and the alloy tray has handled it no worries. The key is not to overload your tray. Just take what you need and your vehicle will love you for it. And i still run stock suspension as i haven't overloaded my vehicle.
Great video mate, well done
Very informative Ronny, greatings from Mozambique
Great video imo.
I bought my Mitsi. wagon and we had a weighbridge where I used to work. It is surprising just how quickly you can pile up the weight.
A quick google tells me the base model Pajero Sport has a load capacity in base form of 730kg. Sort of up there with the best in the wagons by the look of it.
I have made a conscious decision to keep it light and simple for this reason as well as the fact that the vehicle is just a lot more pleasant to drive and use.
Plenty of lightweight camping options around without needing coffee machines or big fridges but then I'm not in the slightest interested in doing long range touring.
I have toyed with the idea of a lightweight offroad trailer but it hasn't been needed so far.
Horses for course I guess and the other important factor is to have the time/money to actually use it rather than it being a mall crawler.
Super tips, thanks, great information shared, very logical
Cheers Ronny, great gvm explaination
Great video Ronny
Howdy Ronny couple of things about white paint (not pearly, I mean flat glacier white) it's much cooler which is great if you're parked up in the sun at camp. It's got no clear coat so won't suffer from clear coat failure as it ages. And it's so easy to touch up paint, no problems blending metallic specks and clear coat. It's simple single pack standard white paint. Even a politician can fix it.
Great work Ronny! Probably we should bolt less stuff to our car, take less stuff and if we want to take the grand piano, just take a box trailer! Your video on trailers is a very good example of how to spread the load when camping with the family. 👍
just walked 90 miles over the cascades with a 15 pound pack less food..... adding a cooler some ice and a pillow sounds so luxurious! looking at a tacoma to replace my much-loved but pretty small patriot. Thanks so much for the video, super helpful.
Thanks Ronny good presentation, still fresh from your own homework I guess.
Always very kind and interesting videos! Thank your for usefull information, bro! Respect from Far East Russia
Cheers Ronny. The key here is knowing what you want the vehicle to do. In my view, comparisons only make sense within a certain class. I'm a Jeep guy, and I freely admit Jeeps aren't the best for payload compared to a UTE. My latest JLU Rubicon is rated at 1210lbs payload or 548 kilos. Keeping the factory lift, 33s, skids and sliders as they're plenty sufficient for what I do. I sleep in the vehicle easily, travel solo, and from Ronny's list only haul the fridge, water, my gear/cargo, and fuel. Using his numbers I'm still 500lbs under limit, even with a hard top. So, It all depends on what a person thinks they actually need, and whether or not they can resist the urge to bolt something to every possible location. Ronny is correct - most of the time folks don't do their calculations, and this gets them into trouble, but I wouldn't shy away from some of the really capable wagon/SUV configurations like the Wrangler, 4runner, FJ, or new Bronco, etc just because their payload numbers are significantly less than a different class of vehicle. The nimble capabilities of smaller rigs are impressive provided weight isn't exceeded.
Thanks @RonnyDahl no one has ever explained GVM so clearly. I am also inclined to think the majority of people may be over GVM unknowingly.
Also the 78 Troopy has the same GVM as the 79 double cab (3300kg) so the payload in the GXL is a tonne.
The GVM approach is a very good one, it kind of gives you the limits you've to stay within. When it comes to the actual choice however, knowing exactly your requirements is the most determinant factor, and you mention that at the beginning of the video. List down what you want your vehicle to be capable of, understand the 'musts' and the 'nice to have'. In my case it had to for example fit into a container, that has significantly reduced my options.
G day Ronny, nice video, for the beginners.... and all who have to change.... to make it suit. One factor I like to mention what counts for me, the handbrakes wish! Yep, that’s correct...you go out with your mates, build a toy truck nothing else. Go 4WD camping and touring with family, Ute, you are strait on it. Last but not least, 4WD touring, camping, with 1 axle trailer towing. Ask the better half if she likes to site in a Ute or work truck !!Decision made, so go and figure out and work it out. Everyone different and with different budgets. Thanks for assistance, I go now a figure out the small print in the 60 page new Insurance offer. Cheers
Prado 150 GX (base model) has a 750 Kg payload. That 550 Kg figure shown on the whiteboard must be for a Kakadu (bloated top spec). And that is with the kerb weight including 150 L of diesel. Advice: get the base model for better payload (and to save money).
exactly.
Hi Ronny, very good video, especially the GVM hard tooth part. - I managed it with the Jeep JKU and GVM upgrade up to 3.35 t (AEV Heaney duty springs and ICON Dynamics suspension - but need to be thoughtful with everything- compromises are key. No drawers for fridge or anything else. Driving with 2.9 t with everyday setup and driver only and with 3.3 t in family trip setup, wife, kid & dog. - extra fuel & and water will be a challenge that asks for more compromises though - until now, don’t need this in Europe and Northern Africa. Probably not suitable for very remote trips.
Love your vids Ronny. Little off on the Jeep Gladiator; GVW 6,250 lbs. minus curb weight of 4,650 lbs. equals 1,600 lbs. load capacity.
I am far from an expert but I can see , that you have put a lot of though & experience into how you communicate all of this. You broke it down to simple & logical. Really great video Ronny!
Unless you have a compliance plate for the upgrades with the new GVM your GVM is unchanged from what the factory spec is irrespective of what upgrades have been done. It has to be certified with the Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Cities and Regional Development.
@@Wdeane1957 You made a good point.
I am building a heavily modified 4wd drive, starting with the chassis & Body. In Victoria @ least, the whole thing of getting a GVM upgrade is a contentious thing.
I asked if my chassis could be built & certified with a higher GVM & I only got a very vague & non committal answer from the engineer I when to for my build.
To be clear I paid the engineer well to answer those questions. In my situation it is more complex because it is not just a case of bolt on component & maybe low invasive weld in braces & reinforcements.
The more deep you go with complexity down the rabbit hole the harder it is to be certain your are getting the right or best information, especially from gov agencies.
Many show up spinning a great story about their expertise but few will put it in writing.
There have been instance where I have gone to 8 or more individuals in government, all claiming they know their stuff, all telling a different story but not willing to put there "reputation" to document.
I have had a few similar experiences with Engineers. Just because they are "Engineers" does not mean they are good @ what they do. If you are not an engineer, then it can be quite difficult to know a good one from one that is not so good.
It is frustrating, I want quality & happy to more for it. I pay my invoices to all involved in my project on time.
There are more than a few fearful ego mind princesses that show up. I wonder if I will ever get it completed.
It is know on pause with stage 4 restrictions & I know I have to be understanding & patient with that. But the difficulty is my situation occurred well be for this pandemic thing, issues occurred pretty much from the beginning.
I went pretty detailed with my homework before getting the vehicle builder to start. So for all the trials & challenges that I have had with it, I wonder what level of drama I might of endured this far if I had not done all of that.
Just subscribe mate, great info 😎 definitely learnt heaps in 30mins
Parts availability is a big issue here in some parts of Brazil. Ended up getting a Triton but we looked at all available options. We actually liked the Ranger but all owners we spoke with had issue getting basic parts when bringing in there truck for maintenance. Some had to wait for more than a month just for basic parts.
Also I is worth checking if the dealer deals with a lot of vehicles that are heavily used. Here in our state Triton's are used by police, firefighters and other government agencies that go to remote and restricted nature reserves. Because of that the dealer is used to dealing with certain wear on these trucks.
Good vid Ronny. Another thing to consider is maximum axle loads. I know some vehicles that as soon as you put a front bar on, you’ll be at or over the maximum front axle weight. 😳
advice: make a weight budget and good faith estimates of everything you want to add/carry to the vehicle long before you buy. Your weight budget will determine your which vehicle you buy. Worst thing that can happen is you buy the wrong vehicle before you know the gear load.
The white board of truth was a good starting point. Great video! weight budget planning > vehicle cost budget. You can always buy an older vehicle that can carry what you want/need to be happy.
Outstanding informative video ! Especially the figures listed on board in last section would cost me lots of time to find them out from web!
For an insurer Club 4x4 where brilliant, had one claim with them and it was a breeze. In the end I had to change as I could not afford the 4k per year premium, which every year I was with them was going up (started at 2.5k). Note under 25 and agreed value with 25k mods on a 10k car. Now with shannons and they cover the same places off road, as well as premiums going down every year I get older.
GVM I'm my suzuki is always a hard thing to stick to. Have completed strengthening mods to handle greater loads but getting the piece of paper adjusted has been a pain. Though I know she is capable of the loads as I have toured with her at 1.8 ton and she went marvelously. Tbh ride is so much better at that weight. So far everyone I have asked for help has laughed me off. A 150-200kg upgrade would allow me to run the ally canopy again.
Great video. Good information.
Hi Ronny, another great video, please look into the weight/gvm penalties the Y62 has, especially when towing. Maybe @dashoffroad can clarify for you. Also would have been awesome if you included the manufacturers GCM... This would be helpful for those considering to tow. For example, yes the ranger and 79 have similar GVMs, but the ranger has a GCM of 5950 whereas the Landcruiser 79 GCM 6800kg. SO if all your weights (including the tow ball download weight) are within GVM, the Landcruiser can tow an additional 850 kgs. That's the difference between a loaded camper trailer and a dual axle family caravan. Cheers mate
Nice vid. The last part really makes it clear how quickly equipment stacks up against the GVM. You didnt even cross off utes after the 2nd lot of mods... 1070kg crosses off everything on the board except the Ranger & the 79
Ronny starts talking about exceeding GVM's...
*Every touring 100 series owner in Australia stops watching the video*
It’s possible, with a struggle haha. Mine fully setup weights 3190kgs. (With myself and the doggo in it) my GVM is 3260kgs.
Every touring 100 series owner in Australia stops watching the video and buy a Triton ute. Toyota is dead.
@@ianfarr-wharton1000 yeah no idea why you'd pay more for less? I've been test-driving the lot in the last couple of months. Im ready to buy now. And it's not a hilux$. Theres no way ots worth it. I can get a wildtrack with dealer options for roughly sr5 prices once it's optioned.
@@ianfarr-wharton1000 why would I buy a Triton which isn’t half as reliable as a Toyota?? Toyota is far from dead, Mitsubishi isn’t as reliable as Toyota.
@@lockyrichardson7195 the triton 3.2 is really reliable, new 2.8 hilux isn’t that reliable
Great video mate. I had been looking forward to the JEEP Gladiator for so long but was so disappointed with the specs.
It just capable in what a ute needs to be.
Great off road no doubt but not what most look for in a ute.
Excellent overview! The whiteboard session is a real eye-opener. However you didn't address the fact that virtually all ute owners fit a canopy for overlanding. This also adds considerable weight! So perhaps you could branch this outcome into Overland touring, or a nice modest rig for everyday driving plus long weekend exploring or a nice run up the coast for several days. Thanks, Frank
Trail ready! Sounds like Ronny just got himself a Jeep!
Good job Ronny, I still love my 2012 FJ TTSE with rear locker and atrac,. I drive thru our forests and decent trails and travel hotel to hotel. We are 11/2 hours from top trails including Rubicon and similar and 1 hour from top hotels. :) I wouldn't camp if you paid me.
Amazing, thank you so much for that!
Great explanation and I look forward to your new rig. One point I feel should be added to the GVM explanation is if towing that the towball weight also has to be added to the vehicles load. I am doing up my ranger at snail pace to make sure it remains suitable and functional while being under the GVM.
spot on, and don't forget to add the weight of the tow bar and hitch...
Ronny you are an awesome bloke
Superb tip !! Helpful
I shared the same math at my presentation for overland expo showing it was practically impossible to stay under gvw for a small pickup as well. Also the impact of a RTT on rollover rating. Note for the Utes, still need to add a tray and canopy.
Excellent advice.
Great video Ronny mate, my wife and I are in about 18 months or so will be buying the new Dmax which will be ideal for our needs. And yes I will be looking at GVM and GCM upgrades plus a brake upgrade as I do believe a lot of people don't even think about how the extra weight effects the stopping power of the factory brakes.
Hi Chris, I also have a Dmax (on my second actually!). Brake upgrades aren't a bad thing but the brakes on utes are pretty good standard. Hence the higher towing capacities. I would do all your mods first and then see if you're happy with the braking. You may find that factory is still good enough.
@@anthonywhitney634 G'day Anthony, thanks for the feedback mate 👍, this will be our first Dmax as well as brand new car. Eventually I want to fit a tray and canopy and I quote:
WIFE: we are getting a caravan first.....
She who must be obeyed wants a caravan she will get a caravan 😂.
I was thinking with the caravan and eventual tray/canopy set up that a brake upgrade couldn't hurt, but I didn't mention about a caravan in the mix in my original comment.
Thanks again mate as it is always great to hear from people who have real life experience in what my wife and I are looking to invest our time and money into, also the main reason we are looking at the Dmax is Isuzu's amazing reliability 👍👍
@@chrishanslow4825 The new D Max should be quite a ripper! We have the older versions and have been more than happy with them. The 2021 Should have much bigger front brakes at around 310mm+ front rotors vs ours 280mm (2011/2012). I think the main secret to safe towing is having your camper / van brakes on point with a decent electric brake controller eg Tow Pro Elite or similar and servicing / adjusting the trailer brakes regularly, replacing the magnets as necessary periodically etc. ( The amount of trailers / vans I see with zero brake effectiveness is actually pretty scary! ) Good luck with it and happy touring!
@@mjhmech4903 cheers mate, my wife and I can't wait and yeah the tow pro will be a priority addition when we do eventually get our caravan. Me personally I'd prefer a camper trailer but my wife wants a park up and relax approach due to us not getting any younger 😂😂
Anyway cheers again mate 👍👍
Great video Ronnie! another thing to consider is the GCM or GROSS COMBINED MASS, something you cant upgrade. Cruiser wins every time by a longgggg way, until you need to step up the the American vehicles or Iveco.
great content mate, numbers are final.
Amazing video!
Very good info, have had to keep my MU-X under this hence why I have not gotten extended fuel tank for it. Isuzu MU-X GVM is 2750kg though but points still valid. Cheers for content.
Comments about dark vehicle colors are soo true. I just sold my meteor grey ford ranger that was less than a yr old because the very reason of scratches showing up.........always go white or light color is a very good point and more important than most think.
Hi Ron,
Just to add to the list is basic bashplates as a must and start at about 10kgs for basic alloy ones and.......with most dual cabs, a tub canopy at 70kgs for a fully heavy duty braced one. I set up my past ranger without doing the calcs and it weighed in at 2910kgs with out passangers or payload. Which meant I couldn't tow my boat and had to take minimal gear when camping.
As Ron said, it all adds up and becomes an expensive mistake if you get it wrong so yes please do your research before buying😉
Hey Ronny, love your videos and find them helpful. Thanks for creating them! I'm currently going through the process of buying a new vehicle for over-landing/touring in New Zealand and will probably opt for a 2020 Land Cruiser 76. I've test driven a handful of different vehicles but keep coming back to the 76. I just like it. If I do the track fix with offset rims on the rear axel then is it necessary to carry two spare wheels (one offset and one standard). Sorry if it's a dumb question, I'm new to 4 wheeling. Cheers and have a fab week :)
Hey Ronny, don't forget if you are towing, you have to deduct the towball load from your GVM also.