I have a Kemper Toaater and the fact that the Kemper player can have the full functionally of the big boys at a small package as a touring musician makes the paid upgrade an amazing investment.
People and TH-camr influencers were too emotional when the paid upgrades were announced. Instead they should have waited 48 hours to cool down and think before exploding with negativity. The new upgrade firmware gave a bunch of free updates to the Player....no one's mentioned that on social media because they're confused as to the difference between upgrade and free updates. If you do a paid Upgrade or not you'll still get free updates for years to come like we've been getting for the last 12 years. I choose to do no paid upgrades to my PLAYER. Because currently I have a bunch of Drive stomps, Compressor, Boost to choose from upfront and a bunch of Modulation choices, great Delays and Reverbs, Cabinets, IRs, every amp Profile imaginable including most important, Liquid Profiles, etc etc....compare that to the Nano Cortex....stock Level 1 Kemper Player wins, no contest. Plus. The latest free update added all the Amp and Cabinet parameters that the Stage has. Added ASIO Drivers. Enabled dual 1/2 & 3/4 foot switching.
I just sold my Kemper Stage for a Quad Cortex. I’m excited about that decision, but I do think the Kemper Player is a good option for loading great amp sounds, with very simple controls. If it cost $499, it would be an easy sell. $700+ is a little too much in my opinion for what it is. It’s about 1/3 the size and functionality of the Stage, so it should be about 1/3 the price.
If you add a two footswitch for $20 you'll now have 7 foot switching options considering the latest free firmware update enabled dual 1/2 & 2/3 foot switching.
The cost is extortionate £€ 300!!😮 like you said previously £30 maybe. I was going to buy one of the players the other week and glad I didn’t, Kemper have lost a new customer, I’ll take my money elsewhere. Also agree with units that don’t have an on/off switch 😂
As I said in the video, I believe the steep upgrade cost means all Kemper owners stay on a somewhat equal playing field. I love mine as it is so I don't feel the call to upgrade 🤷🏻♂ If should FOR SURE have an on/off switch 😅
It's a pity guitarists commenting all over social media and YT didn't take 10 seconds of their time to read the Kemper website. "The Kemper Profiler Player now also lives in the Paradigm, the Philosophy of the original Kemper Profilers". "NOTE: Of course the Level UPGRADES do not replace the traditional free software and feature UPDATES tradition. The LVL UPGRADES are just an offer to optionally enhance the feature menu towards the bigger units".
Agreed. I think I was lucky to have bought a Player knowing it was a 'limited' version of the Kemper. I think potential buyers now feel they are getting unnecessarily uncharged.
@@CantAffordToRecord Potential buyers are even luckier than us who bought the Player when it was first released. Because, they now know they can upgrade the Player to Stage specs if they want to or not upgrade and continue to get free updates for the next ten years..
Well. Leo Gibson, "the scientist" just did a Nano Cortex vs Player video. When comparing a studio Profile and a Capture of his Marshall using a null test the Cortex was 8% more accurate. However, when he did a Kemper Liquid Profile and compared that to the same Cortex Capture using/tweaking the Gain & EQ controls on both units the Liquid Profile was 18% more accurate than the Cortex Capture. So a ToneX vs Player Liquid Profile would be interesting, I'm sure he'll do one.
My only problem with Kemper doing this is that people are having to install beta software before they can receive the upgrades which to me is just not good enough. I'm going to wait until after Christmas before I decide whether or not to upgrade my used Player.
I am not against paid upgrades but then the hardware must be cheaper. As it is, kpp price / features ratio is very bad compared to orher contenders in this category, then paying extra $300 makes it even worst.
The $300 is optional! I haven't paid the extra for my Player. But if the hardware doesn't meet your criteria then I agree, you should look at other products 👍🏻
The issue is simple, you should pay for new amps/cabs/sounds but not unit features. It's like buying a car and then finding out you can't go above 60 unless you pay more and then a wifi update unlocks to 70... then a year later you are allowed to pay more to unlock to 80... The tires, seat covers, fuel, speakers ect are all on you if you want to upgrade, but finding out you have the best speakers but the sound quality is locked behind a paywall is absolute garbage. In fact your logic is bad here because as it goes, the claim is that "You can't expect the Kemper to have ABC and pay 700$ day 1!" But the Kemper DID have AB and C day one... what it didn't have was more cabs/amps/pedals b3ecause they had not been made yet. Kemper deserves the blow back and the revenue loss is has and will continue to take for screwing people over by selling them something twice.
You have a valid point. If Kemper was upfront about having these upgrades behind a paywall, which I'm sure they were planning all along, then people could decide if they're willing to fork $1000 for the full fledged version or go for the striped down versions. But they didn't and so I can understand people are complaining about it. Plus the fact that some people who have bought 2 players would have to pay $600 to upgrade' cause the upgrades are per unit and not per account.
@@Jellydonutable Yes, I can say that as someone who always considers a modeler/whatever these things are called, I will in no way start the endless investment in a paywall program that I don't even know how much will cost me over time. Then there is always the issue of selling it and having a license transfer cost and issues, meaning you might never even own your "upgrades" but rather leased them. So no... I'm not jumping in.
@jellydonutable I hear you but as I explained in my video, I bought the Player very much understanding it won't come with all the features and that I would have the option to pay for them one day...
@@CantAffordToRecord Sure, but it appears Kemper is taking a massive hit in real time. We can see things different, but reality will never care what we think.
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I have a Kemper Toaater and the fact that the Kemper player can have the full functionally of the big boys at a small package as a touring musician makes the paid upgrade an amazing investment.
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People and TH-camr influencers were too emotional when the paid upgrades were announced.
Instead they should have waited 48 hours to cool down and think before exploding with negativity.
The new upgrade firmware gave a bunch of free updates to the Player....no one's mentioned that on social media because they're confused as to the difference between upgrade and free updates.
If you do a paid Upgrade or not you'll still get free updates for years to come like we've been getting for the last 12 years.
I choose to do no paid upgrades to my PLAYER.
Because currently I have a bunch of Drive stomps, Compressor, Boost to choose from upfront and a bunch of Modulation choices, great Delays and Reverbs, Cabinets, IRs, every amp Profile imaginable including most important, Liquid Profiles, etc etc....compare that to the Nano Cortex....stock Level 1 Kemper Player wins, no contest.
Plus.
The latest free update added all the Amp and Cabinet parameters that the Stage has.
Added ASIO Drivers.
Enabled dual 1/2 & 3/4 foot switching.
Finally someone reasonable
I just sold my Kemper Stage for a Quad Cortex. I’m excited about that decision, but I do think the Kemper Player is a good option for loading great amp sounds, with very simple controls.
If it cost $499, it would be an easy sell. $700+ is a little too much in my opinion for what it is.
It’s about 1/3 the size and functionality of the Stage, so it should be about 1/3 the price.
If you add a two footswitch for $20 you'll now have 7 foot switching options considering the latest free firmware update enabled dual 1/2 & 2/3 foot switching.
The cost is extortionate £€ 300!!😮 like you said previously £30 maybe. I was going to buy one of the players the other week and glad I didn’t, Kemper have lost a new customer, I’ll take my money elsewhere. Also agree with units that don’t have an on/off switch 😂
As I said in the video, I believe the steep upgrade cost means all Kemper owners stay on a somewhat equal playing field. I love mine as it is so I don't feel the call to upgrade 🤷🏻♂
If should FOR SURE have an on/off switch 😅
It's a pity guitarists commenting all over social media and YT didn't take 10 seconds of their time to read the Kemper website.
"The Kemper Profiler Player now also lives in the Paradigm, the Philosophy of the original Kemper Profilers".
"NOTE: Of course the Level UPGRADES do not replace the traditional free software and feature UPDATES tradition.
The LVL UPGRADES are just an offer to optionally enhance the feature menu towards the bigger units".
Agreed. I think I was lucky to have bought a Player knowing it was a 'limited' version of the Kemper. I think potential buyers now feel they are getting unnecessarily uncharged.
@@CantAffordToRecord
Potential buyers are even luckier than us who bought the Player when it was first released.
Because, they now know they can upgrade the Player to Stage specs if they want to or not upgrade and continue to get free updates for the next ten years..
I should go visit and we can compare my tonex to the kemper Could be a fun video
Well.
Leo Gibson, "the scientist" just did a Nano Cortex vs Player video.
When comparing a studio Profile and a Capture of his Marshall using a null test the Cortex was 8% more accurate.
However, when he did a Kemper Liquid Profile and compared that to the same Cortex Capture using/tweaking the Gain & EQ controls on both units the Liquid Profile was 18% more accurate than the Cortex Capture.
So a ToneX vs Player Liquid Profile would be interesting, I'm sure he'll do one.
My only problem with Kemper doing this is that people are having to install beta software before they can receive the upgrades which to me is just not good enough. I'm going to wait until after Christmas before I decide whether or not to upgrade my used Player.
I am not against paid upgrades but then the hardware must be cheaper. As it is, kpp price / features ratio is very bad compared to orher contenders in this category, then paying extra $300 makes it even worst.
The $300 is optional! I haven't paid the extra for my Player. But if the hardware doesn't meet your criteria then I agree, you should look at other products 👍🏻
It's the price of the upgrade. Fine they did it but at that price? No thanks. I'll vote with my wallet and purchase something else.
Completely fair!
The issue is simple, you should pay for new amps/cabs/sounds but not unit features. It's like buying a car and then finding out you can't go above 60 unless you pay more and then a wifi update unlocks to 70... then a year later you are allowed to pay more to unlock to 80... The tires, seat covers, fuel, speakers ect are all on you if you want to upgrade, but finding out you have the best speakers but the sound quality is locked behind a paywall is absolute garbage.
In fact your logic is bad here because as it goes, the claim is that "You can't expect the Kemper to have ABC and pay 700$ day 1!" But the Kemper DID have AB and C day one... what it didn't have was more cabs/amps/pedals b3ecause they had not been made yet.
Kemper deserves the blow back and the revenue loss is has and will continue to take for screwing people over by selling them something twice.
You have a valid point. If Kemper was upfront about having these upgrades behind a paywall, which I'm sure they were planning all along, then people could decide if they're willing to fork $1000 for the full fledged version or go for the striped down versions. But they didn't and so I can understand people are complaining about it. Plus the fact that some people who have bought 2 players would have to pay $600 to upgrade' cause the upgrades are per unit and not per account.
@@Jellydonutable Yes, I can say that as someone who always considers a modeler/whatever these things are called, I will in no way start the endless investment in a paywall program that I don't even know how much will cost me over time.
Then there is always the issue of selling it and having a license transfer cost and issues, meaning you might never even own your "upgrades" but rather leased them.
So no... I'm not jumping in.
@jellydonutable I hear you but as I explained in my video, I bought the Player very much understanding it won't come with all the features and that I would have the option to pay for them one day...
@FEV369 Yeah I think I just see this very differently to you 👍🏻
@@CantAffordToRecord Sure, but it appears Kemper is taking a massive hit in real time. We can see things different, but reality will never care what we think.