True lol. Contrary to popular opinion, I really liked the Mecha Bun fight because I didn't have Shaman cat so I tried to do something using Cyperpunk, Chronos, Sniper and Sanzo. It was a really memorable fight for me, came down to the wire. On the other hand, regular Bun Bun wasn't memorable at all for me because I had all treasures, saw the name 'Tank' cat and figured he was a the shield guy and had a habit of spamming him and also gotten a guaranteed Uber Rider from Fate Gacha. I beat Bun Bun in my first attempt and never really thought much of it.
Mecha Bun: *based off of Bun Bun, a memorable boss, but ended up being terrible* Luza: *is a Colossus, which happens to be the trait of some controversial bosses, but ended up being a great boss fight* just thought it was worth pointing out. have a good day
honestly, mecha-bun is an abyssmal final boss for having such a prestigious position, but it would be even worse if you couldn't CC him - looking at his stats, he would probably become a boss which suffers from "oppressive boss syndrome" like Soractes
bun bun is definitely my favorite, he might not have that many valid strategies to beat him, but he’s just so memorable. He doesn’t come out instantly like the other two eoc moon bosses, he’s actually really difficult, and is fast and pushes hard instead of slow and non-pushing like the Face and Nyandam. he also teaches you to get treasures, although I guess nyandam kind of did that first? But nyandam is still reasonably beatable without treasures unlike bun bun. one of the battle cats bosses of all time
Another boss that I think is hands down one of the best in the game is Doron. It is the first boss that appears multiple times in its stage but it is such a good bossfight.
What I used for Soractes: Top row: Necrodancer, Skelecat, Hyper Mr., LKD, Cyberpunk Bottom row: M. eraser, Rock, Egg pod, Octo, Bullet train All lvl.50 LKD- 50+30, talents maxed, Attack A orb(floating) Cyberpunk- 50+15, talents maxed, Attack A orb(floating) Octo- 50+25, talents: weaken 5, resist freeze 10, defence buff 10; Resistant A orb(floating) Slow base foundation lvl.20 Thunderbolt style lvl.5 Breakerblast lvl.30 Items:Rich cat,Sniper the cat
my LKD wasn't hyperboosted and i don't have egg pod, i had to use hanzo and izanagi... ,my slow base doesn't have any effect and my octo is lvl 50 + 4 with lvl 10 defense buff as unique talent, doron was a great unit for me cleaning the doges if ubers/legend were gone and in cooldown; sniper the deadeye helped to knockback a bit the boss for avoid it to enter to the cyberpunk blindspot (it just have lvl 5 slow), my unique combo was "thirteen" from deadeye, even with my low resources outside izanagi and hanzo, i won that level.
I had Ultimate Windy, Hanzo and Kai but I used Boosted Octo spam instead just to feel something. After a while I realized I was feeling too much so went back to Hanzo + Kai to actually beat the stage 😂.
One Boss i should mention is Giga-Final Boss Cat God: he may seem threatning, but if you think about it, he is a victory lap, id say Black Hole is SO Much easier due to the restrictions, 2500% Pengs are brutal with Restrictions. the reward is Cat god true form which you need Gold-fruit, and He is situational outside of Enemy Cat and Tank Stages.
1) Varied Strategies I think stages with less varied lineups can be very good, if the units used all have very unique roles. Prime example being HT 47. Floor 47 is a fantastic dual boss fight and one of my favorite levels in the game, mostly for its emphasis on game levels 2) Emphasis on Mechanics Bottom of the Swamp is the single best example here. Learning how to use rock cat and beating Kappy with it was the most rewarding experience in the battle cats 3) Iconic fights Just being an Iconic fight is not enough to be a good fight. For example Fillibuster is super iconic but he isn't a good boss
With Bottom of the Swamp I will have to make a footnote that Boulder did not yet exist when the stage came out. And is more an example of how Ponos can (by accident) retroactively make stages good/better. At release, the stage was kind of stupid honestly.
And finished the video, this will be extremely useful for newer stage designers for BCU due to showcasing good stage design in a simple manner. This video would have been a Godsend for me like 5 months ago but its too late for that now. My favourite boss battle has to also be luza, due to a variety of factors, not to mention its generally a good stage to study. The first reason this stage is good is due to being one of the very few truly fun endurance stages, and it shows off the concept pretty well. The second reason is the absolutely BANGER soundtrack and my last reason being it showing off bore jr really well. I love bore jr wayy too much due to it being literałly the perfect Glass cannon. It works in pretty much Every stage you Put it in due to being an easy way to push without making the stage too difficult and bore jr also requiring you to be aware of the stage and Time your units to kill it. Bore jr is the best enemy for stages in my opinion.
I like bosses that are impactful but aren't overwhelming, also agreeing on the fact that the rewards needs to be good but not always. Some example of this is dogumaru. Primitive Souls can be extremely hard if you're not prepared for it, but the entire stage is not just dogumaru, the peons also have a big impact in there, and the combination of both makes what the stage is while getting a really good reward on dogumaru. On the other side, Livesaving Shovel and imo Wager of Honor Urs doesn't have that big of an impact that other bosses have (either good like Queen Mother V or bad like Doremi/Bakoo), and in the one where it does which is Atonement for Sin when it is properly supported by a big wall which is naala. The reward on urs is good, but the stage is so simple that leaves a bad taste of mouth. Another big factor is the feeling when you beat the stage, if the stage doesn't give you that satisfaction or accomplishment when you beat it then it isn't a good boss fight. Filibuster or COTC 2/3 Cat God feels like it, the last bosses of the chapters but when you beat them is so anti-climatic, you finish it with a sour taste but you can argue these were the "test subjects" for Aku Realms with Mamon and Jagando, which is the exact same thing as COTC 3 Cat God and Filibuster but done right. One example is Metafilibuster in Zero Legends, a not good reward on Metafilibuster, which isn't the most useless TF but it also isn't something to go after other than some niche situations of for the funny, but a beautiful improvement in difficulty and general fun while still keeping the simplicity of the original Filibuster stage.
Maybe nowadays Cat God and fillibuster are "anti-climatic" with all the power creep but I never felt that they were personally. Then again, I beat them like probably around 6 years ago.
One that I like is the old queen. As it’s a hard stage and it’s harder to Uber carry your way through then most. So it forces you to actually be half decent. Also those professor a’s are so rough
@@quepuedohacer2278 agreed. I didn’t have any good ubers for her as the prof a.s outranked most of mine so it took a couple tries but I love my slimy boio
Hear me out, the cat god in COtC Chapter 1. The idea of surviving waves of enemies then bursting the boss while maintaining cash for the next wave is fun in a neat way.
if it weren’t for mecha ban ban’s fur that you couldn’t freeze, then this boss was almost unpassable, taking into account that at the time of the battle with him, you only have level 40 cats
I feel like most bosses need to find a way to not just focus on a boss and integrate peons and other factors like how the doge base is used for a strong keepaway in multiversal studios (inimusha)
Mostly agree but honestly I've always felt most bosses who are carried by their peons tend to be pretty forgettable, with few exceptions. I guess Soractes has the opposite issue, but outside of that, I'll always remember Idi more than something like Luza, since Idi can always hold her own. Bosses with stronger reinforcements should at the very least have a well made gimmick (Mina, Metafilibuster)
@@OrbitalAnnihilatorRagnarok just future cat or cone and casual doguemon, but less money, the main problem this stage are relic squirel swarms and bore jr
I finished SOL 4star before getting dogumaru because at the time, I had no decent anti-relic counterlay to deal with them, so I had to go on THE MOST INSANE GRIND OF MY LIFE to finally get idi and finally progress on UL. I still don't like primitive souls
I don’t like bun bun on EoC3 because even with proper meat shields you need other units that you may not have I was lucky to have an Uber because I had no good meat shields
That's the reason of the existence of Boogie cat, he is basically the best meatshield you can buy with a cheap cost of cat food; when people told to buy him and farm a little bit the treasures, Bun bun became totally a joke later. And that's when i started trying figure out strategies. Is not a bad thing, it's the way that the game is trying to advice if you are strong enough and / or doing it in the right way Edit: Also, stacking dragons, legs or any range unit, is the usual way to defeat him, if you have the Cat shield treasures on 300% (100% / 100% / 100%), Titan can tank some hits even with peons.
I do like Doremi bc is so easy and make my impotence dissapear bc juggling enemies is satisfying and- hell naw horrible stage desing. Anyways, I do like Dogumaru and Urs and Fenrir remake stages in Humanity catified
I use a bot on Discord called PackPack that can generate the text in the Battle Cats font. You can find the bot in basically any Battle Cats Discord server.
Personally i think a good boss fight needs to make a good first impression, in my eyes Infernal Tower Floor 40 is just a really stressful stage and nothing beyond that, the boss is really aggressive, peon support feels inconsistent at times and a reward isn't even good to begin with, some might think that it's a challenge so it's supposed to be this stressful but the first impression is what matters to me the most, if i had to pick a boss stage to replay, IT40 would most likely be one of my last choices
An idea on how to make eldritch forces harder: 1 Professor A at 200% Also Mecha-Bun will have weaken immune for no reason and 15 knockmbacks and slightly increased attack rate to 2 seconds I don’t want to hear y’all whining over the modifications I added so shut up I’m not changing it anymore, if you don’t like this then too bad, and thanks to all of you, I edited this more times than I needed to
I feel like just reskinning a previous enemy to a different trait as a big boss is lazier than what they are doing now. Especially since a bun bun variant has been used as a boss 3 different times already and is also a regular enemy.
I think boss theme also matters. This is literally the reason why people remember Filibuster, Jagando or Uril.
Filibuster is also remembered cause he is super different in the way he attacks too
jagando for me was a good boss, outside the theme,a tough stage for be the final stage of aku realms
Uril was the top boss of heavenly/infernal tower which are super hard, making the boss feel rewarding and giving you a good feeling
i remember uril because of his unfair omni and different dynamic from other bosses. Jagando is just carried by his theme
A good boss is a boss the community thinks is good.
too real
examples: filibuster and luza
True lol.
Contrary to popular opinion, I really liked the Mecha Bun fight because I didn't have Shaman cat so I tried to do something using Cyperpunk, Chronos, Sniper and Sanzo. It was a really memorable fight for me, came down to the wire.
On the other hand, regular Bun Bun wasn't memorable at all for me because I had all treasures, saw the name 'Tank' cat and figured he was a the shield guy and had a habit of spamming him and also gotten a guaranteed Uber Rider from Fate Gacha. I beat Bun Bun in my first attempt and never really thought much of it.
@@togakhan1274 how does somebody clear SOL and not have shaman yet your luck is terrible lol
@@kynguyen5030I got really far in battle cats before ever getting hip hop cat XD
Mecha Bun: *based off of Bun Bun, a memorable boss, but ended up being terrible*
Luza: *is a Colossus, which happens to be the trait of some controversial bosses, but ended up being a great boss fight*
just thought it was worth pointing out. have a good day
honestly, mecha-bun is an abyssmal final boss for having such a prestigious position, but it would be even worse if you couldn't CC him - looking at his stats, he would probably become a boss which suffers from "oppressive boss syndrome" like Soractes
Worse than soractes most likely, you cannot beat mecha bun bun no gacha no cheese. But you can beat soractes no gacha
legend quest prove it, sanzo barely outranges it and the luck required, more units, less like to get necro from the randomizer
bun bun is definitely my favorite, he might not have that many valid strategies to beat him, but he’s just so memorable. He doesn’t come out instantly like the other two eoc moon bosses, he’s actually really difficult, and is fast and pushes hard instead of slow and non-pushing like the Face and Nyandam. he also teaches you to get treasures, although I guess nyandam kind of did that first? But nyandam is still reasonably beatable without treasures unlike bun bun. one of the battle cats bosses of all time
Omens is also another boss that only a handful of units can rightfully counter due to its bullshit stats and surges.
ubercarry for them.
Hate it. Thank god for Phono
Another boss that I think is hands down one of the best in the game is Doron.
It is the first boss that appears multiple times in its stage but it is such a good bossfight.
dogu??
Dogumaru?
doguemon???
@@THE_REAL_LOU ok lou
Did you forget about like a third of the crazed cats?
What I used for Soractes:
Top row: Necrodancer, Skelecat, Hyper Mr., LKD, Cyberpunk
Bottom row: M. eraser, Rock, Egg pod, Octo, Bullet train
All lvl.50
LKD- 50+30, talents maxed, Attack A orb(floating)
Cyberpunk- 50+15, talents maxed, Attack A orb(floating)
Octo- 50+25, talents: weaken 5, resist freeze 10, defence buff 10; Resistant A orb(floating)
Slow base foundation lvl.20
Thunderbolt style lvl.5
Breakerblast lvl.30
Items:Rich cat,Sniper the cat
yo thanks
my LKD wasn't hyperboosted and i don't have egg pod, i had to use hanzo and izanagi... ,my slow base doesn't have any effect and my octo is lvl 50 + 4 with lvl 10 defense buff as unique talent, doron was a great unit for me cleaning the doges if ubers/legend were gone and in cooldown; sniper the deadeye helped to knockback a bit the boss for avoid it to enter to the cyberpunk blindspot (it just have lvl 5 slow), my unique combo was "thirteen" from deadeye, even with my low resources outside izanagi and hanzo, i won that level.
@@quepuedohacer2278 hanzo is really good for soractes, and I got sniper the deadeye later bc of my luck💀
@@Samh166-6 thanks to luck (I don't use seed) I can beat the stage, without him is utterly impossible with my level units
I had Ultimate Windy, Hanzo and Kai but I used Boosted Octo spam instead just to feel something.
After a while I realized I was feeling too much so went back to Hanzo + Kai to actually beat the stage 😂.
One Boss i should mention is Giga-Final Boss Cat God: he may seem threatning, but if you think about it, he is a victory lap, id say Black Hole is SO Much easier due to the restrictions, 2500% Pengs are brutal with Restrictions. the reward is Cat god true form which you need Gold-fruit, and He is situational outside of Enemy Cat and Tank Stages.
Wait Giga-God gives you gold catfruit?
@kubo7553 No he doesnt, You mistakef it for Aku Realms Moon
1) Varied Strategies
I think stages with less varied lineups can be very good, if the units used all have very unique roles. Prime example being HT 47. Floor 47 is a fantastic dual boss fight and one of my favorite levels in the game, mostly for its emphasis on game levels
2) Emphasis on Mechanics
Bottom of the Swamp is the single best example here. Learning how to use rock cat and beating Kappy with it was the most rewarding experience in the battle cats
3) Iconic fights
Just being an Iconic fight is not enough to be a good fight. For example Fillibuster is super iconic but he isn't a good boss
chatgpt ahhh comment
@@THE_REAL_LOU no I'm just autistic
@@loganreidy7055 😐
With Bottom of the Swamp I will have to make a footnote that Boulder did not yet exist when the stage came out. And is more an example of how Ponos can (by accident) retroactively make stages good/better.
At release, the stage was kind of stupid honestly.
And finished the video, this will be extremely useful for newer stage designers for BCU due to showcasing good stage design in a simple manner. This video would have been a Godsend for me like 5 months ago but its too late for that now.
My favourite boss battle has to also be luza, due to a variety of factors, not to mention its generally a good stage to study. The first reason this stage is good is due to being one of the very few truly fun endurance stages, and it shows off the concept pretty well. The second reason is the absolutely BANGER soundtrack and my last reason being it showing off bore jr really well. I love bore jr wayy too much due to it being literałly the perfect Glass cannon. It works in pretty much Every stage you Put it in due to being an easy way to push without making the stage too difficult and bore jr also requiring you to be aware of the stage and Time your units to kill it. Bore jr is the best enemy for stages in my opinion.
truly a canned juice moment
I like bosses that are impactful but aren't overwhelming, also agreeing on the fact that the rewards needs to be good but not always. Some example of this is dogumaru. Primitive Souls can be extremely hard if you're not prepared for it, but the entire stage is not just dogumaru, the peons also have a big impact in there, and the combination of both makes what the stage is while getting a really good reward on dogumaru. On the other side, Livesaving Shovel and imo Wager of Honor Urs doesn't have that big of an impact that other bosses have (either good like Queen Mother V or bad like Doremi/Bakoo), and in the one where it does which is Atonement for Sin when it is properly supported by a big wall which is naala. The reward on urs is good, but the stage is so simple that leaves a bad taste of mouth. Another big factor is the feeling when you beat the stage, if the stage doesn't give you that satisfaction or accomplishment when you beat it then it isn't a good boss fight. Filibuster or COTC 2/3 Cat God feels like it, the last bosses of the chapters but when you beat them is so anti-climatic, you finish it with a sour taste but you can argue these were the "test subjects" for Aku Realms with Mamon and Jagando, which is the exact same thing as COTC 3 Cat God and Filibuster but done right. One example is Metafilibuster in Zero Legends, a not good reward on Metafilibuster, which isn't the most useless TF but it also isn't something to go after other than some niche situations of for the funny, but a beautiful improvement in difficulty and general fun while still keeping the simplicity of the original Filibuster stage.
Maybe nowadays Cat God and fillibuster are "anti-climatic" with all the power creep but I never felt that they were personally. Then again, I beat them like probably around 6 years ago.
One that I like is the old queen. As it’s a hard stage and it’s harder to Uber carry your way through then most. So it forces you to actually be half decent.
Also those professor a’s are so rough
even with izanagi, it was a lot of tries to get the correct spawn of everything, also, it has a very good prize (slime cat)
@@quepuedohacer2278 agreed. I didn’t have any good ubers for her as the prof a.s outranked most of mine so it took a couple tries but I love my slimy boio
Relic bun is basically the final boss of sol
2:31 it looks hell but if I get to die losing to that music I would happily do the lvl just for the music it rocks
You mean aria math or soractes's theme?
3:08 Li’l Mohawk solos Soc
🐱
Hear me out, the cat god in COtC Chapter 1. The idea of surviving waves of enemies then bursting the boss while maintaining cash for the next wave is fun in a neat way.
Jagando was about make me write a 1star review and delete the game. Really memorable for me when I beat him
Tbh, that's the point, a boss that might seem like hell but gives you a good counter to some annoying enemies
if it weren’t for mecha ban ban’s fur that you couldn’t freeze, then this boss was almost unpassable, taking into account that at the time of the battle with him, you only have level 40 cats
It would have just been sock head before Socrates
I had kai when beating teacher bun bun, so I didn’t learn much about meatshields, and that led to many other hard stages being difficult
I feel like most bosses need to find a way to not just focus on a boss and integrate peons and other factors like how the doge base is used for a strong keepaway in multiversal studios (inimusha)
Mecha-Bun is bad ---> IDI:Re is good
Zero Luza is good ---> 4 Crown UL Boss is bad...???
or it'll be a extremely easy boss or extremely ridiculous
Depends on how you do it
zero luza becomes "one luza"
@@quepuedohacer2278Oh boy you guessed right
Omg he actually predicted it (Dr nova get hard countered by one specific cat)
I wish i could replay the idi fight and i wish most battle cats stages were as hard as idi
Hermit cat in heavenly tower is a very good boss
sadly his stage is cheesable, but if u don't have healer, is another thing
@@quepuedohacer2278 yeahjust spam wave immunes units
Tbh, Socractis got a banger theme
I know its spelled soractes but it still pisses me off cause hes based off the philosopher socrates
Aw hell yeah long form markiquad video
Mostly agree but honestly I've always felt most bosses who are carried by their peons tend to be pretty forgettable, with few exceptions.
I guess Soractes has the opposite issue, but outside of that, I'll always remember Idi more than something like Luza, since Idi can always hold her own. Bosses with stronger reinforcements should at the very least have a well made gimmick (Mina, Metafilibuster)
idi would be a joke without his peons 😂
is 416k damage from zero luza with 450 omni strike range amd backliner multi hit nothing for you???
I agree but luza is less reliant on peons than idi is. Theyre all peon reliant anyway. Well except for the funny philosopher
Pretty much Every boss in this game is peon reliant, except for... Mecha bun bun and soractes.
@@OrbitalAnnihilatorRagnarok just future cat or cone and casual doguemon, but less money, the main problem this stage are relic squirel swarms and bore jr
I finished SOL 4star before getting dogumaru because at the time, I had no decent anti-relic counterlay to deal with them, so I had to go on THE MOST INSANE GRIND OF MY LIFE to finally get idi and finally progress on UL. I still don't like primitive souls
I don’t like bun bun on EoC3 because even with proper meat shields you need other units that you may not have I was lucky to have an Uber because I had no good meat shields
no treasures or lvl 20 wall?
@@quepuedohacer2278 I did not use eraser because he died in one hit and I could not sustain him
@@gamgen53just use 3 meatshields
@@unhelpfulz damn I was dumb in 2021
That's the reason of the existence of Boogie cat, he is basically the best meatshield you can buy with a cheap cost of cat food; when people told to buy him and farm a little bit the treasures, Bun bun became totally a joke later. And that's when i started trying figure out strategies.
Is not a bad thing, it's the way that the game is trying to advice if you are strong enough and / or doing it in the right way
Edit: Also, stacking dragons, legs or any range unit, is the usual way to defeat him, if you have the Cat shield treasures on 300% (100% / 100% / 100%), Titan can tank some hits even with peons.
3:11 who’s the guy in the half egg half glass ball?
cat egg pod, reward for completing all behemoth stages (i'm stucked in jinfore lvl 13)
I do like Doremi bc is so easy and make my impotence dissapear bc juggling enemies is satisfying and- hell naw horrible stage desing. Anyways, I do like Dogumaru and Urs and Fenrir remake stages in Humanity catified
dude where did you find the battle cats font I need it SO BAD LOL
I use a bot on Discord called PackPack that can generate the text in the Battle Cats font. You can find the bot in basically any Battle Cats Discord server.
Personally i think a good boss fight needs to make a good first impression, in my eyes Infernal Tower Floor 40 is just a really stressful stage and nothing beyond that, the boss is really aggressive, peon support feels inconsistent at times and a reward isn't even good to begin with, some might think that it's a challenge so it's supposed to be this stressful but the first impression is what matters to me the most, if i had to pick a boss stage to replay, IT40 would most likely be one of my last choices
traitless yulala in sacrifice apprentenship is kinda good, i can't opine about relic version because i don't tried it yet
I hate that i could not beat socrates cuz i dont have sniper deadeye
So i seed tracked bable and kai
-_- for one stage
my only anti floating is hanzo (m. luka doesn't count because i don't use her)
@@quepuedohacer2278 you beat him with HANZO!?!
Goat
He forgot about yulala... the best boss in the game...
Can you do is rank all battle cats ultimate popluar bosses from worst to best lordmark??
Theres like 1000 of them and only 16 are memorable
Luza and bun bun are core
If it's not annoying as hell, end
Mecha bun was still a good unit for beating Dogamaru
Hold up? How did he pronounce Dogumaru
Reborn Warrior Doguemon is the name of Dogumaru's true form
@@LordMarkiquad Ah, it makes sense now ty for explaining
An idea on how to make eldritch forces harder:
1 Professor A at 200%
Also Mecha-Bun will have weaken immune for no reason and 15 knockmbacks and slightly increased attack rate to 2 seconds
I don’t want to hear y’all whining over the modifications I added so shut up I’m not changing it anymore, if you don’t like this then too bad, and thanks to all of you, I edited this more times than I needed to
normal or invasion?
@@quepuedohacer2278 Normal :)
@@Raynardthefox but lil super cosmic cyclone isn't in SoL
@@quepuedohacer2278 Ok I changed it to brollow
@@Raynardthefox more good and challenging battle treating dancers for avoid freezing mecha bun, but the reward still unchanged.
I beat ul before idi and nuked idi with luza
same, but i killed idi with ururuns
If i like boss boss good :)
I LOVE JAGANDO. (I hate corrupted valk it took so long)
Alternative title: The reasons about why Mecha Bun Bun is TRASH
if u don't have the correct strategy is ridiculous, if u have it, is ridulously easy, that's why idi exists
Imo is jagando
Mecha bun is actually a good boss fight just stop cheesing it
bro what is this pronouciation of socrates💀
Fun Fact: His name is Soractes!
Edging until the next LordMarkiquad video comes out. Who's With me!?
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R.I.P
Bc is best game
W vid
Honestly if ponos could add stuff like aku bun bun instead of being so lazy battle cats will live longer
I feel like just reskinning a previous enemy to a different trait as a big boss is lazier than what they are doing now. Especially since a bun bun variant has been used as a boss 3 different times already and is also a regular enemy.
@@benji5320 yea. 80% of the enemies are recoulors of other enemies
Never have an opinion ever again.
tf are you on about lol
@@CursedXyster on your mother