Does God Exist? - Many Absolute Proofs! FINALE (Part 5)
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- In the series finale, David C Pack continues examining scientific facts, quotes and amazing evidence from the natural world that proves God's existence beyond all doubt... or does he?
Does God Exist?-Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 5)
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Imagine the sheer amount of arrogance it would take, to reach the following conclusion:
"God is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving - but he's having trouble convincing unbelievers of his existence, so *I* have to step in and HELP him!"
He's shy
I think it comes from all the voyeurism 😁
@@paulnolan4971 I don't think shy seems likely.
I could see being nervous in showing himself after all his mistakes.
Or being loathe to potentially have to answer a lot of pointed questions, that might not make him look so great.
Or maybe he's just having a bad hair millenium.
All that said, I agree with the OP. David showed arrogance going off the charts in this series.
that's actually hilarious because his evidence is all around you but yet you people are so high-minded you think you're so wise you became fool.
there is no excuse you know (Yahweh is Real)
@@Prophet.TaeTae144K "Look at the trees!" xD
@@Prophet.TaeTae144K I tend to argue that the evidence is all around us that the Christian God doesn't exist.
And when getting to the details, much of the time a theist responds, "but we can't understand the mind of God." Implying we can't point to reality and consider whether it points to God's existence or not. An example being that we can't understand all the reasons God might need to create suffering, that seems excessive, and unneeded.
I would tend to agree that if he was real, and the bible true, that his existence would be clearly seen. And it isn't.
Congratulations that the bible calls you wise for believing in the bible I guess. I'm not going to give you a cookie for believing that line though.
I would grant that truly wise people understand that they are sometimes fools though. So there could be a grain of truth.
'Could you design trillions of galaxies... and then obsess with what the inhabitants of one planet in one galaxy are doing with their genitals?'
Criminally underrated comment.
Honey, where are my pants?
Maybe God has the humor of a 12yr old boy? That's the only explanation I can think of for the obsession.
@@snooganslestat2030 Maybe he's Trelane from Star Trek... a child with godlike powers.
(A fan theory, I believe, is that he was part of the Q Continuum.
@@brunozeigerts6379 Ooof I dont know anything about star trek lol
"Realize that disproving evolution automatically proves God's existence."
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
Amotherfreakingmen!
To them this is the only way it works
It never fails to confuse me how in one breath they can say that God's invisible attributes are clearly seen and we are without excuse, then in the next they say that God has to reveal himself to us.
I used some of your stuff because it was very good.
Clear like a glass window.
He's talking about intuition. Basically, it's intuitively obvious to believers while non-believers are oblivious. It's just another way of arguing for blind faith.
There are two possibilities. Grift or schizophrenia. Either they're aware that no god has ever revealed itself to them and they're using the claims to gain money and/or power, or they're suffering from mental illness and the 'god' they're seeing 'revealed' is a malfunctioning brain.
The ones like Pack are clearly making money from their nonsense, so I'd suspect it's mostly grift.
Yep clearly see what kind of person he is looking at those parasitic worms and mosquitos.
11:07 Humans create all this stuff all the time. We call it game development, Special effects, movies, books, and art. We also created god.
The bad thing is that some people took it waaaay too seriously
David C Pack's mind would be completely blown by the sheer amount of attention to detail and creativity Dungeon Masters put into their world building and storylines. DMs are gods. lol
Thanks Paul! We are watching you from France and you are helping my little children to know what religion really is and also allow them to learn English!!! I just quickly give them the translation into French and they even tell me..."Yes, I understood that" Love your channel :)
that's amazing! thank you
@@Paulogia No, I would love to thank you, Paul! My entire family is subscribed to you :)
English is such a weird language. It's like if you put half the world languages in a bag and then hit it with a hammer over and over. Good luck and more power to you.
@@Thezuule1 Ahhh, That's very kind of you, Thezuule! I was taught English as a young child and never stopped reading books and watching TV programs, like I do with my kids. It's ok that you don't speak French. We have a difficult language to learn, but much easier in English
@@MODea-pq7ei I took 5 years of French in school, visited France for almost two weeks on a school trip, and all these years later I can remember how to ask where the bathroom is lol...
I remember Aron Ra covering this "preacher" I highly recommend checking his series out 🙋🏼♀️
Your Empress is Impressed with Your Elaborate Title. 😉😄😄💓
And I also follow Aron Ra, good call.
@@empressoftheknownuniverse thank you 🙋🏼♀️ we've chatted before. I'm Lady Selena Felicity White and this is my backup account.
Oh! BTW, I've become a lady since we last spoke. I'm a genuine lady! I have a certificate to prove it! 😔🙂😉😁
I combined several insults from trolls to make my backup user name 🙋🏼♀️
AronRa slays. I loved his debunking the flood series.
Dude your edits and pop culture references are perfect, very well done
appreciate
@@Paulogia do you want to go to heaven
@@nate6898what kind of heaven?
Ah, the infamous David CPAC video where he fails to prove God again while trying to use Sagan's corpse as a ventriloquist dummy.
I especially enjoyed his insistence that disproving evolution somehow proves God.
Cos that never gets old for me.
Or for him, apparently.
I see what you did there 😁
The biggest reason I find your videos so interesting is the fact that I have always been an unbeliever. Quite inexplicably given the geographic and cultural realities of my upbringing in the bible belt. I've never really been able to understand the thinking of my religious family and friends and I find your videos extremely useful in understanding them better because they come from a place I can understand and let me work backwards into their worldview in a way. I'm not a recruiter and have no interest in helping others deconstruct but I am a normalizer. I find the insights you provide endlessly helpful in projecting the kindness, normalcy, and well grounded reasoning I feel that requires, even though I admittedly fall short of my own ideals at times. It can be really hard not to want to be right more than I want to be kind at times but I do pretty good at refraining from flinging poo, for an ape, most of the time. :) Thanks Paul!
Thanks to people like you, the world is a better place.
Much appreciated.
I wouldn't say it's "recruiting" as much as it is putting information out there for those who are open to it. Of course coming from that sort of background you would want to spare others the many years lost to religion and help them transition easier and less painful. As an informed Atheist worldview is tightly knit to a critical mindset and look-at-the-facts-for-yourself approach I would be surprised if anyone in the Atheist community would actually try and "recruit" people to a secular worldview. We all know too well what manipulation by skewing the facts or hiding critical information, indoctrination (targeting the young or vulnerable), fearmongering, abuse of authority and all those other shady tactics look like.
there is also a great rendition of "The pale blue dot" by Robert Picardo
Maybe in the philosophical sense Sagan wasn't an atheist, but certainly in today's colloquial sense, he was. He wasn't convinced any gods existed....that's an atheist.
Exactly. I'm fully open to the possibility that a deity exists, and it is free to show up and demonstrate that, but I have no reason to believe one does otherwise.
@@Hhjhfu247 I do not expect to ever be convinced of the existence of a god. However, I do not accept the lack of evidence as positive evidence for non-existence. That would be committing a black swan fallacy.
Our knowledge - as humans - is far too limited to make an assertion of the form, "if we haven't seen it, it doesn't exist."
@@martinmckee5333
It's about what you believe....not what you know.
@@biggregg5 I was responding to a comment - now no longer visible - it seems that posited that the lack of evidence could allow us to know - with certainty - that God did not exist. I was simply saying that I think such knowledge is impossible. But, yes, I would say one is an atheist based upon belief, not knowledge.
@@martinmckee5333
Ok....I think I remember the comment.
Waiting until the last part of his series to tell people that the series was just there to waste their time and money was a bit crass on its own, but the part you cut out where he then extends both middle fingers and laughs for 5 minutes uninterrupted while holding unwavering eye contact with the camera is what I really have a problem with.
that's not real, it can't be
Whenever I hear Carl Sagan reading Pale Blue Dot, I start crying. I miss him so much. Now I can't stop crying...
Is he actually asking us: if we had the power of God, do we think that we could create?
Dave just seem so pleased with his series, as if he actually made cogent arguments!
If only someone would have given him a big piece of construction paper and a box of crayons. 😉
@@empressoftheknownuniversewhat's wrong with enjoying a big box of crayons and a huuuge pad of construction paper in pretty colors? 😞
@@marcomoreno6748 I'm certain YOU can be trusted not to shove the crayons up your nose or in your ears. 😉😄😄
"Who is unwilling to put aside their natural prejudice against believing in"
Wait wait wait. Natural prejudice? So humans are naturally, as in in their nature, prejudiced against belief in the existence of God?!? That is really quite the claim for a Christian to be making.
I'd say I've got a "natural prejudice" against being told bullshyte stories by people claiming to speak the truth, but it's not specifically a bias against religion.
I feel the same way about any situation where somebody is trying to con me. 🙄
That is what the fallen nature of man, I.E., original sin, basically is, by their theological framework. One could not be surprised that they kept running under their own internal logic.
I have a prejudice against believing things based on being told to.
@iriswaters Yeah, that "natural prejudice" line really caught my attention. Given the number and variety of gods people have worshipped over the ages, I'd say it's just the opposite. We seem to have a strong natural tendency to invent supernatural entities who for some reason need/want our devotion. It's as if we have too much time on our hands. 😇
@@Hunpecked yeah that definitely seems a thing. I am more interested in the fact that it's a Christian saying it, given that one of the more common apologetics is that our tendency to believe in gods is itself evidence that there must be a god. But even more so, there's the whole line of thought around "all know that God exists, so that none can honestly claim ignorance". The whole notion that there could be even ONE non resistant non believer makes the entire concept of hell unequivocally an act of pure evil(even moreso than it would otherwise be). And if belief requires overcoming a natural resistance to belief, then non resistant non believers should be the norm, not the exception.
11:15 - "Could you have created this much (complicated and interdependent stuff) by yourself?"
He makes a good case for the development of the universe and the life in it being a decentralized process with no single creative agent behind directing it.
Though I say "good case" and not "great case" because the question of whether I could do it has little to do with whether something else could. It's a bad analogy and an appeal to ideas that feel good, not necessarily to ideas that *are* good. My inclination to believe that all that complexity and diversity is the product of a decentralized process rather than the work of a single intelligent agent is likewise a matter of intuition, just an idea that suits how I view the world. We approach the truth by considering the evidence, not by considering which ideas feel good.
Thank you Paul, I have loved this series! Though David belly flopped big time at the end. I loved your take on his statements and your soothing voice throughout!
Appreciate the kind words and support, Travis!
This was an interesting side of Paul I haven't seen before. A sharper, even meaner, Paul than in some of his other videos. I think with such insufferable folks as Mr. Pack, it's warranted, but... it's like the thing teachers can do where they flip a switch and become 10 times more menacing just by adjusting their tone. I like it, but I'm also glad I'm not receiving such rebukes!
Sometimes some content deserves round rebuke from all sides. David managed to produce some astonishingly poor content here.
"If you choose not to know..." "you knew exactly..." Can you make up your mind David? are we knowing or not knowing?
Thanks Paul. Can't imagine your pain for having to listen to him over and over while you write, review, and edit...over and over... To think that anyone would want to pay to listen to him and be content with their purchase, it's almost as unfathomable as his undeniable proofs!
Yeah this cult leader's corpse was unrecognizable after AronRa got through with him.
How you manage to have the patience to sit and listen to this guy is amazing indeed.
I binge watched Paulogia's channel and now my dreams start with "welcome to Paulogia, where a former christian takes a look at the claims of christians."
I get a craving for ice cream every time I hear the 'For the bible tells us so' jingle.
Great series Paul! And Mr. Pack's series is impressive too, but in a different way: What a sales job; twisting, distorting and ignoring facts, and quoting scripture and Sagan.
Thanks for exposing!
Paulogia, great wrap up! I love all the 'asides' from movies, etc. 👍🌊💙💙💙🌊🥰✌
I take great exception to adding Battlestar Gallactica to that list. The ending was fantastic.
11:30 as a game designer. Yes, yes I can. Also in my games some of the races aren't by evolution, so they don't share things. So am I better than his god?
I was a member of the cult associated with Pack - Well done with this series, Paulogia.
dudes like David destroyed my family.. they're so gullible they just BELIEVE this nonsense and hate me because I don't..
this guy gives me a stomach ache..
Agreed ! People like him are toxic to those who trust, like someone with cashews handing out their "product" to someone with a peanut allergy and then *selling* them, weekly, on "the cure".
There isn't really any implication that both parties are actually nuts ;-)
Soliloquy, such an appropriate word to describe "The Pale Blue Dot."
Miss you Carl.
Apologetics remains a house of cards.
He warned that the quote would be strong, but it was so friggin weak...
When I googled David C Pack, all I got was the definition for arrogance.
Does anyone else find it ironic (not to mention telling) that the people most insistent and vociferous about non-believers need to bow to the 'Will of God' are the same people who are supposedly delegated by god the authority to interpret and enforce that will on believers?
He who seeks, finds. He who puts his left foot in, takes his left foot out. He who smelt it, dealt it
Hearing this pendejo reminds me of the words of that respected pundit of a few years ago: Where's the beef?!
Yep, I'm still waiting for that proof from ANY deity to prove to me they're there. I'd been praying very hard for a very specific miracle for a long time, and .... nothing. That was what finally killed any deistic crumbs left inside. Any deity that could let ... this happen to me would have no care about anything on this planet, any more than they care about dying children. 😕
Thank you, Paulogia, for all you do. ❤️❤️
There's such a thing as the poetic use of words. I might use the word soul meaning that which could be considered to be the essence of a person, the amalgamation of personality, views and actions making them the individual they are. Doesn't mean that I think there's an inbuilt undetectable permanent phenomenon, that was "created" at conception exists.
This was a excellent series. This guy is the personification of what’s wrong with religion.
5:55 you didn't use "Bible tells me so" jingle.
I always have this problem: WHICH "god or gods".
I just hope I don't automatically think "asshat" whenever I hear the name David from now on.
Fortunately Mother nature doesn't care how people like David malign her, so perhaps in her disembodied indifference, she demonstrates more humility, forgiveness and honesty than needy gods ever did.
15:03
Also, even William Jennings Bryan accepted an old Earth.
If God is going to prove “his” existence I wish he would get his finger out and get on with it. Some of us are getting near the traditional 3 score and 10!
Anyone says "what is the definition of a women", better tell me by what criteria they know god is a man !!
Thank you for the " " around -his-
@@onedaya_martian1238 that’s an excellent point that sadly I never hear made. Same people also object to the use of pronouns. They should explain why they use He Him for god. Does god have a penis? If yes, what for? Does god use the bathroom? Could god use the ladies? Etc. etc.
15:47
GEN11;7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
Seems like the judo Christian God is a God of confusion
The christian religion should really be called "The Tower of Bible", because, like the fairy tale, people are trying to build their way to heaven with a silly book and are just walking away from it, in the end, very confused.
Did he say "astronomist" 🤣🤣🤣
I guess that's like an evolutionist
I'm still waiting too. Namaste.
Ah, David C. Pack. I used to go to a sister church of his. Paul, you mentioned that Carl Sagan died without knowing the truth. For people like Pack, knowing God exists is not the full "Truth" (capital T to them). There are requirements such as the importance of keeping Sabbath, Passover, etc, to them. That's what they consider "Truth".
4:14 - "The question, 'How can I find god?' assumes the answer to the key undecided issue."
I think he communicated that both succinctly, and more effectively, than the commonly-misunderstood "begging the question".
So Carl Sagan was atheist, he just somehow didn't know exact definition of atheism.
He's an agnostic. He doesn't KNOW if there's no god, he just hasn't seen proof one way or the other.
He was working from the philosophical definition of atheism - that being a positive belief in the non-existence of God. Today he might very well accept the label lack-theist or weak atheist. Though, really, the existence of God does not seem to have been a study he was particularly concerned with, so maybe not. Scientist, educator, and skeptic are much more appropriate labels for Sagan.
@@martinmckee5333 I don't get it
The fact that you didn’t include how I met your mother in bad endings is a massive oversight.
I didn't watch that one. I was firmly theist during that time.
@@Paulogia what do you mean by that
Never seen it.
Sagan took an older definition of atheist (one I used to ascribe to) that would have had him take of the less adequate term agnostic (which I used).
I rejected the label for many years for the same reason. In philosophy, the "strong" atheist distinction can be useful, but in general conversation I find a lack-of-belief definition much more useful.
Eh, it's all just meaningless semantics in the end. There are two types of people in the world: those are confident a God exists, and those who are not. I have no idea theists and nontheists alike have a problem with not wanting to acknowledge this and just assign the label "atheist" to the latter. Frankly, it's stupid and petty.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 No. It's descriptive. Humans classify things, it is part of how we understand the world.
@@martinmckee5333 It is _meant_ to be descriptive, but because of how poor the semantics, it fails to be. Hence, my response.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 I guess I fail to see how it is less effective at being descriptive , in non-technical scenarios at least, than many other words. If I say I am a teacher, people will, of course, assume that I try to educate others about something. Some may say, further, that I teach primary school, because I didn't say professor. But, what if I am a trainer at some job? I am teaching people, but certainly not what most people would think of with just the word teacher. I don't think that any of this ambiguity makes the word "teacher" useless as a descriptor. Rather, it makes it only part of the answer.
I see "informal fallacies" the same way. Naming them is useful as a restatement of a description, or to emphasize the prior context. It is not intended to be an argument but, rather, a memory aid.
It’s Terrapin apologetics all the way down.
Oh those hand gestures!
I'm a scientist , not a religion or religious, but I see impeccable evidence that it's all a story untill your god proves me wrong.
When you have the comp read the quote at about 5 minutes, it sounds like you are mocking it, because it starts out "Tee hee." lol
Whenever I listen to David Pack giving his "overwhelming" evidence for God I cannot help wondering who he is trying to convince, the atheist or himself...the "evidence" he presents is circular and in a lot of cases childlike, he has presented absolutely nothing that would make a clear-eyed person think he has a point, look at the way Paul has deconstructed his arguments with ease.
These arguments are aimed at theists who want to be reassured, and Pack fills this need for them.
If Yahweh, as described in the Abrahamic faiths, exists, then it is our duty to find it and destroy it
I don't know if this is an American vs Canadian thing, but I've always heard corollary with the accent on the first syllable.
Well this C-Pack does pontificates to much - hate to be the one that brings him dinner a little to late!!!
I died waiting for apologist evidence of their gods.
1:19 Dear comments section: who is your favorite "astronomist"?
I love the cheesy Armageddon footage where did you get that? That should be put to speed metal music.
Designing a star is easy. Gather 10^30 or so kilograms of hydrogen close enough together to let gravity finish the job, and voilà, star!
I won’t tolerate BSG slander Paul
If I were the all powerfull creator of the universe, perhaps I would create Slarty Bardfarst to create the fiords or Tom Bombadil to create the plants ( I think that was what he made ) I wouldn’t have to do it alone.
"...he who comes to God, must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Tell me you don't know what confirmation bias is without telling me you don't know what confirmation bias is.
Carl Sagan did indeed deliver the most important sermon in the history of human thought.
The only sermon we'll ever need.
How can something invisible be clearly seen? doesn't that defeat the point of being invisible?
...maybe like kuroko (the "invisible" black clad theatre stagehands)? We all just politely pretend it's invisible??
"Will it stick the landing like Star Trek: Next Generation?"
Gonna have to disagree on that one XD
I am not an atheist but not a theist as well.
My world view can’t allow it. I’m glad only a very few are like me.
"I am not an atheist but not a theist as well."
So you would say that you are "without theism"?
David Pack wants me to burn for eternity AND watch to the end? Is there no limit to the cruelty of Christian love?
😂
This is one of those instances of a preacher being so blind to HIS OWN words that he feels like a parody. It’s disconcerting.
If I had to pick a single verse out of the Bible that tells me that the Bible isn’t 100% true, it would be “ask and it shall be given you, seek and ye shall find”. I begged God for years to show me that he was there. But he never did. And so I no longer believe.
David C Pack ably illustrates my problem with apologists. Many of them appear to be intelligent and well read, so are we to presume that their intellect abandons them in the face of their beliefs or that they are simply liars and manipulators of truth?
If this is SO important to saving souls for Pack, he really looks like an immoral monster for saving his most important bits for the end, it also makes him a liar because in the first video he said all the evidence someone needs would be in part one.
It can't be worse than previous parts
That sounds like a challenge.
The invisible has been clearly seen. Got it. 👍
If a god exists, then there must be an entire population of gods.
2000 years and counting...
I also find it interesting that people were supposed to be below. This God gets offended when you blaspheme him or insult him. I thought God will be well above the source of human emotions.
I’m not even sure I finished battle star galactica, it was great for awhile but it went so off the rails that it wasn’t even fascinating enough to watch the crash
I now realise I didn’t watch BSG to the end.
The word "holding" in both Aramaic & Greek also means: "having (possessing)." Think about it. If you are HOLDING something in your hand, you HAVE or POSSESS it. That's the meaning there at Romans Ch. 1 & it fits the context. "Hold back" is not its meaning. The Aramaic & Greek word is actually in the active tense despite the English Translation. It doesn't change the understanding much though. Nevertheless, that preacher doesn't know what he is talking about.
I don't see the link to carl, paul.
got it fixed, thanks.
This is the fundamental difference between Christians, and everyone else. The Christians have written themselves a guarantee of salvation. They have taken what can only be describes as a mythological being, and through some sort of automated inheritance, have turned it into an assumed reality. Never having questioned this story from the past, Christians take deep comfort in their ignorance. It is all summed up for me in the answer to my first question about God. At about age 10, I asked my pastor how do we know that God exists? He said, "It's a matter of faith. We just feel it." This was supposed to be the guy with the answers. That was the last Sunday I wasted in a church. I finally did find the feeling I was looking for. About 2 years later, I think it was a Sunday morning, while swimming in a pond, I found some tiny eggs. I took them home in a jar of water and watched intently as the tadpoles grew inside of them. Then they hatched and slowly changed form into frogs. I didn't know it then but I was witnessing evolution. I immediately became obsessed with knowledge and over the next few years I came to realize how ignorance almost owned me. I consider now, that walking away from religion was an escape from a prison that I did not deserve. I was not born a sinner. I was not a slave to my ignorance. I was not a Christian by birth. That was the lie that would have destroyed me, had I never asked that question.
Brilliant ! Welcome to the wonder, the beauty and savagery of reality 🙂
Confusion is David's middle name
Good god, David breathes loudly.
How rapacious, claiming a dead man as one of your own.
Isn't it strange how apologists keep having to distort the truth in order to convey their message?
Respect mah authoritay!
I really can't believe with the "God is obvious but only if you have special revelation" approach.
Your answer is right on the mark: OK, I'm waiting.
It's bizarre how these guys can't see the complete contradiction in their claims. And how they are actually parroting atheist arguments.
God could convince any atheist at any point if he wanted to. Obviously, he hasn't done that with me, so why should I be blamed for not believing in a god that hasn't revealed himself to me?
Did he call Carl Sagan an astronomist? 🤦
Yes, he did. You learn something new every day.
Swing and a miss...
Professional apologists, like Pack, have the smooth talk down pat. Makes them sound so convincing.
Cuz 💰💰💰
Convincing? Only to people who already believe. I get annoyed by the guy.
Honestly, I don't remember the arguments he presented in the previous installments, but there's no way they were as bad as these. If these could even be called arguments.
"We will absolutely prove God." / "Having proven God..." . There's no God in that gap.
let's see, God has been here for eternity and one day he decided to create this universe ? what was he doing before he did this ?
If the biblical god is not the author of confusion, what happened at the tower of Babel?