6. Class 60 - The Power to Move Mountains
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2012
- We all remember the Steadfast class of locomotive don't we? Come on, you know, that all-encompassing brand name given to the class 60s, used by BR and enthusiasts alike, and still used to this day? Well, this video gives that impression.
In reality it is training material for the drivers conversion course onto the new locos, but it is interspersed with an unspecified Rory McGrath alike giving some corporate spiel about the new 'Steadfasts'. Interestingly, the class are described as having an ability to move mountains of 'coal, steel and general freight', so pretty much all the industries that Thatcher had put into decline, going someway to explain why only a handful of the hundred built are ever required for traffic.
The video starts with a Western style stand off (the sort between a cowboy and an Indian, not between hydraulic and electric transmission) between a driver and his new steed. The loco is then introduced with powerful footage of tug 2 on a rake of TEA wagons, although the effect is somewhat ruined by the spoon glimpsed at the rear of the consist. There is then some description of the road haulage competitors, nicely illustrated with some copywrite free 1970s footage of the M1.
We then move on to the meat of the video, as the production team try and convince us that the 200ft of demonstration line at Brush works is really open main line. Various failure modes are recreated, all to the backdrop of the same bit of Leicestershire scrubland. They are obviously very proud of the diagnostics panel, as it seems to feature at every opportunity.
The video concludes with a rousing toast to Steadfast; "the workhorse of the future", obviously unaware of the thoroughbred that GM were developing.
Having trained both loco's a class 60 and 66, without question the class 60 was the best for pulling loaded coal trains from Liverpool docks averaging around 2,400 tons and for being a driver friendly loco.
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Remember one failing south of Preston. On down fast. Driver was obviously trying to restart as headlights kept going out. Eventually got dragged to Preston by a 37. What a sound that was.
Okay I've watched it. Ready to drive this now.
005 named skiddaw sat now in Toton in DB Shenker (EWS) colours.. Sat with some friends of the same class.. :( sad these aren't used as much nower days
There are quite a few in red DB livery in use. And one of the EWS livery has been used recently. There are also obviously the DCR and GBRf ones too. It is a great shame the rest aren't in use though, they are lovely locos.
'Diagnostic panel' tally - 6
'Locomotive is a failure' tally - 6
...and although they say it's a 'workhorse', at 13:07 the jumping audio seems to say it's 'like a pony' when on reduced power. They reduced the power of their big horse to a small one.
YES MADE ME LAUGH AS IT IS BRAND NEW AND THOROUGHLY TESTED LMAO
7:33 8:54 “the locomotive is a failure “
The OG "you'll be going nowhere"
just too much negativity!!!!!!!!
I much prefer the 60 over the 66 they look and sound a lot nicer, its a shame EWS/DB ended up favoring the 66 I assmue realiblilty was a big factor as 66s are known for being very reliable. I also remember these being on the Chat Moss route for years doing the Liverpool freights I think.
Would've been interesting to see how the class 60 would have fared had British Railways not been privatised and was possibly looked after better. This machine was literally their answer to the rising threat of the Class 59's (More less an earlier Class 66). I always liked the class 60 myself. No doubt the class 59 and by extension 66 has done much to revolutionize freight movement but it's a real pity the Class 60's got shafted especially when they were relatively new themselves.
@@Damocles178 it’s possible the 66 might not have happened very much an EWS influenced order the first batch of 66s
Interesting video!!!
they are going back to Loughborough to be refurbished check the website end of the line to see which locos are involved Wabtec as took 20 of these awesome locos.
Christ is that Dave Lee Travis hosting this...
Just look at Toton TMD and see how many of these are stored there, might as well have not been built at all
EWS dumped them in favour of the 66
Typical of anything decent in Britain, "let's get rid and outsource". Seems to be the common practice of the powers that be, especially where heavy industry is concerned.
All part of a Globalist agenda and our politicians are on their payroll
You can blame the tree hugging green ideologists for this.
@@timwattison4419 can I take a guess that you reckon that things like global warming are just a conspiracy to take power away from Britain and the USA?
Smallest hi viz waistcoat ever :D
Nerd Central Arizona. I love these corporate knob jockey videos. I get the impression this loco had shocking build quality and reliability and it was therefore built around a shouty “computer says no” fault bolox flashy light panel. It’s a fancy looking machine that doesn’t work often. Class 66 is a shed but actually goes?! Yes/no, I’m not a train driver so please enlighten me 😅
Americsn freight locos were ahead. they built a class 59 based off the SD40#2 it could haull 4000 tonnes, it had a 95% reliability rate that beat any BR loco before it by quite a good margin.
The class 60 same specs, was based or stolen if you like hehe off of it. They designed and tested SEPEX for faster wheelslip detection
which kicked in at 0mph instead of 5mph and added slip ring alternators to get even faster wheelslip detection. For those who dont know rail wheels give the most grip right before they're about to wheel spin. so keeping it close to that bumps up the pulling power.
Class 66 EMD came out and was 98% reliable /availability and was cheaper to run and needs less care. so most of the class 60 fleet was due its planned major overhaul at 15 years age and never got it. after a while they gave some their overhaul as their pulling power is unparalleled in the uk. especially if it rains or its freezing
One class 60 is good for 4 500 tons from a stand on a 1 in 100 rising grade, which would need at least 2 if not 3 class 66 to do the same.
The 60 s are in a league of their own, true British Engineering !
So this is what Christ Goffey got up to after his top gear days!
love at the end how it makes claims about its pulling power
yet on the picture the trains being banked by a class 47 (14:15)
+David Ball looks dead to me
maybe the 47's pushing the lot up hill
you'd know if it was
David Ball the loco is on a test train that 60 is pulling those oil tanks and the 47 along idiot
@@benconway9010 the Duff is at the back, waiting for the inevitable Failure of the 60.
Last British built loco.
Where's the usb plug, to put mi tunes on with.?🤔?.
Would like to see it in TSW.
To think 8 years earlier deltics were still a thing
im am from the future and i am telling you only a handful of class 60 locomotives will remain in use the rest will reside in toton yard as spares and probably scrap
To be honest, that is mostly due to the fact that DB cargo who own the lion share of 60s have being losing contracts left, right and centre, as well a handful 66s and 67s being stored as well
@@callumthornelow2936 why are they losing all the contracts?
So many reasons but the most prominent one is rival companies, (Freightliner, GBRf and DRS) offering to do the same contracts, in some cases with the same locomotive (class 66) at more agreeable prices.
anything! i need to expand my knowledge for no reason!!!
Lol theres far worse on the telly than this! . . This is what my lovely ex girlfriend had to do when a driver. She loved 60's, immense torque etc. Good unit for the stone trains around London.
You also would not get an FDL16 to fit inside the UK loading gauge. Thank god for that!!
I thought that 'crap' was a bit cynical, until they described 60s as 'reliable' and 'user friendly'! Have you got any more videos like this?
I can just imagine the comments from the old boy drivers now watching this lol
Yes, not the best of loco's. Give me an as built Class 56 over a 60 any day.
What does Steadfast mean?
A d here we are in the year 2023
Is this video broken or is it just me?
I wonder if it can move snowdon to my back yard?
"Aye I'd like to order em... I'm feeling like I should treat myself, I'll take Ben Nevis"
7:03...
You'd have thought that there would be a 'light' to say it's the DOOR SWITCHES on the panel, instead of one single light that could mean all sorts of things that are stopping the engine starting.!!!.
Door switch indicators, and other 'stop and emergency stop' indicators, are generally ubiquitous when it comes to machinery. No matter what kind of machine it is.!🧐!.
The same thing applies to fire detection equipment, and, other obvious safety categories.
The front of the locomotive looks like a bus or truck.
No it doesnt
Unsurprisingly locomotive cabs often bear a stylish resemblance to contemporary lorry cabs
The Brush Unit should be the future of diesel traction. More powerful than American locos. So why go there?
Yeah, the FDL power units were / are not the best of it mate, its has to be said. Ive been interested in rail opperations in America for about 6 years now. I know alot of people dont like em here, and thats only because all they see is a 66. but there's no getting away from it, you'l be hard pushed to beat the reliability of an EMD power unit. They even exported to 60 countrys around the world since the 40's! Hell, i dont think i could even name 60 countrys LOL.
I'm a big fan of the 60s and what they can do. The Americans have been hauling heavy freight as a super economic power for a long time. They got very good at reliability and cheaper to build and service, cant take that away from them. But in certain situations, they brought back 30+ 60s for a reason, to save banking or they cant get that heavy weight up that incline in bad weather.
Press the reset button
the 60 is like the 92 but a different face
its nothing like a 92 a 92 is electric xD
hmmmm. They do have the same sides
that's the only thing though
+Class 387 Gatstar (Gatwick Express) They share the same bodyshell, and are built by Brush Traction
that was basically the idea
Class 121 driver training?
I wonder how the class 66 compares to this?
It's not as strong but it's also faster. Its not as good looking as the 60 though lol
6.14 IT GIVES ONBOARD ADVICE YES THIS TRAIN IS CRAP!
Has no one thought of checking the FUEL LEVEL.?🙄😂😂?.
next candidate for a EMD conversion.
Fatcher’s Britain....... Don’t make me laugh.
So Brush subbed out various bits of the 60. Got the bits back. Fitted it all together in a shoddy manner. Poor quality control. Countless test failures. And then spent any of the remaining profit from the job putting things right for the next 5 years! Well done Brush. Secured the end of British heavy locomotive engineering. Should have gone to Metro Cammell. All the best kit is built in Brum...... we invented the square steering wheel.
The class 59 was the most reliable loco ever to run on British tracks. Enough said...... Apart from the desperate need to genuinely PRIVATISE the rail system. It’s the only way forward.
How do you "genuinely privatise" it?
This looks a nightmare with all these faults. Something much more reliable needs putting in place.
I prefer the more professional efforts, those are always a laugh!
For all those that didn't catch it the first hundred times, maybe tell us again how "it's a failure". Sheesh!
I'll stick with the Class 37 vids and the pure testosterone they always exude. THRASH, Aaaaahhhhhh! They saved everyone of us!
What this vid should say is 'This loco is a class 60 so should be treated as a failure, left in a remote siding, and set fire to' LOL
Dodgy traction control otherwise a fine loco
I'm a forever fan of the class 60: 4000hp of sheer power : US/Canadian imports do not match this
+Isochest Not quite, 3100 HP but plenty of get-down-and-grunt power
"The locomotive is a failure"
Ain't that the truth!
its Steadfast not Steadfarst
He was saying Steadfast..
Yep, it was a crap video, why the hell did I watch it? I know, I was waiting for the driver to stop scowling
6:38...
There shouldn't be any 'more common faults', on a BRAND NEW locomotive, should there.???.
Saying that... It IS British built eh.!🤣!.
Take a look at the Adelante Videos, you'll soon find that 60s aren't that bad 😂
they were designed for 95% availability which as with any new loco contract spec, better than what went before. The 66 had 98% and a lot cheaper to buy, service and generally maintain. Still they brought the 60s back in for a very good reason. Haul heavy loads that others would require banking of double heading. Who wins the title for having to stop at a red light, ect with the heaviest cargo in the wettest slipperiest weather and restarting the whole lot if they had to come to a stop where other locos would need to build up a bunch of speed before the incline to just about make it over? The 60!
@@alstonofalltrades3142 no one wanted to order a EMD loco with 4000 hp., for use in the U.K.
@@rearspeaker6364 well they did keep ordering 59 in small batches then built the 60 based of it but with better wheel slip control.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 that SEPEX seems to be a first rate system.
"The locomotive is a failure"
You're a KNOBEND FUCK THE EU
MrJimbaloid eh?
that much negativity, guess they wanted it to fail!!!
"crap videos " ha ha.
Having learnt these when they were brand new, all I can say is CRAP, too slow (60mph) and cumbersome, they should have been built as a multi purpose 80mph loco. Class 56's were a far better piece of kit, especially 56042 with those splendid class 58 bogies. 😁
Earlier this year they had 56's running through Warrington Bank Quay. One of the drivers got off one and was telling us its a proper BR loco and better to drive, An aim at foreign stuff. Me being a fan of the 60's said what about a class 60. Oh they will pull a house down. He had his favourites without B.S.
LOL, you dont know much about the GE FDL 16 do you?? Its plain ole junk fella! Ask any American on an American railroad video on youtube! Most of them will tell you that GE are shit. Most of the time the bloody things are on fire lol. They are known as toasters. I can point you to a forum with real American drivers posting on it if you want where you can find out all this stuff.
Oh, i also know a driver in the UK that will tell you a 59 will out haul a 60.
This is the problem with just 'one source' the 60 was partly based on the 59 and rightly so. The most tractive effort you can get out of a wheel on steel rail is right before wheelslip. The Americans have been a super power on a large country for a long time meaning way better expertise at building locos to do the job more reliably for less price and cheaper maintenance. They trialed Sep-Ex on a class 58 and slip ring motors to detect if just one axle was begining to wheel slip far faster and reduce power. E.G. over junctions or curves or bumps in the track. At the exact same time that meant the loco weight was going through the other axles in the bogie far more and hence more power could be applied before they slipped. Kinda like me standing on one foot means its harder for someone to swipe that foot away. Of all the type 5 loco's in the UK they 60 is the least powerful engine with the same lower gearing as a 59 but can haul so much on a incline in imperfect weather conditions. This is why they brought them back and why despite the least powerful type 5 hp engine rating they can do the job without banking or double heading
I forgot to add this is why what they tested on a 58 went straight into a class 60 along with what they learnt when the 59's came here and proved what they could do.
Interesting you had to have a dig at Maggie in your notes and fail to mention Labour and Mrs Castle in particular who decimated our rail routes by lifting thousands of miles of track after Mr Beeching stopped inefficient services. At least HE created Freightliner. And of course Maggie's ideas on Privatisation had nothing to do with the doubling of passengers using the railways and the hundreds of new trains (that actually work) and creative and profitable freight services that brought 480 new 66, 67, 68 and 70 freight locos, rebuilt 57s and Super 60s did they? Oh no. Oh and massive Government investment on the back of the revival.
British Railways was a joke and managed to decline railway use in its 50 years. Not ONE freight loco it built worked properly for years. Its legacy was shameful. And its been rebuilt in less than 20 years by private businesses. The same private business initiative that created, built and ran the railway for decades before BR ....
Having said all that the 60 is still a handsome looking loco ... damn site better than a 68.
Its a fail on every level. Why not ask drivers how to make it work???
You mean except the enviromental factors helping train travel in the 90's and on?
You know things like road congestion that gets worse and worse, heading for gridlock, declining car ownership, rising petrol prices, insurance prices and so on.
As for private enterprise, how do you explain then, that the majority of line reopenings, line upgrades or newly built lines have happened after the Network was taken back into state ownership?
How comes that the private interprise that you so laud has for the most part taken the old rolling stock that BR wanted to replace and used it past the date of replacement by BR?
Or that they delayed the installation of the TPWS programm?
Or that they are massively financed by the taxpayer via subsidies, unlike the companies of old?
What drugs you on !!!! 1chish remember railtrack lots better now nationalized should do same with all the TOC;s and FOC;s .Why did they not invest our tax money in nationalized railways like they do now in private train operating company's.What about East coast franchise was re-nationalised and made money East Coast paid back over £1 billion to the government so why give it to Stagecoach/Virgin and now they want to cut n run now got our money .Supporting these FOC's is costing the public loads as we not only have cost of running it but also the expected profits for them .As for freight its in a spiraling decline since privatization with unfair costs imposed with maggies privatization mess , More and more is now going via road now
Could not agree more with the above , Maggie s mob want it all on the roads so they can profiteer from the road haulage industry via " Consultancies" and other behind the scenes dealings.
It won't be their window's rattling all night&day with lorries thundering past.
They will be tucked up on their private estate and travel by helicopter to avoid the traffic jams