It’s so nice seeing Roz, Harvey, and Sabrina being so open minded. True friends right there. Also, Billy definitely has potential. I wish they’d show more of him so we can see his backstory or another side of him, like the sweet side they show at the dance. I think he should end up with his friend that has a crush on him.
I love Harvey's reaction. He asked questions but he waited for an appropriate time (not the moment Theo came out) and than listened intently to the answers.
I don't think I've ever actually seen a young female to male trans person on a show. I don't watch things like drag or reality shows. The closest character I've seen is Beiste in glee but I think there's a difference in experience of someone who's young and someone who's an adult. Still both as hard as each other, but different to each other
I feel like Theo has the strongest character arc in the show. A shy character (who is often bullied) learning to be brave is almost a trope, but to Theo, there's more to it. He's not just learning to be brave for the sake of character development, he's learning to be brave enough to be his authentic self. Although, I do wish that it had been Theo explaining to Harvey what it means to be trans instead of Roxy. I love Roxy, but I feel like it's more Theo's place to explain his identity.
I identify as trans masculine, and if I had seen representation like this when I was a teen maybe I wouldn't be here in my mid twenties struggling with my wishes to come out to my family and my fears that I might lose their respect. Bravo, Theo!
I can relate! As someone who came out in her 50s a couple years after posting this video to TH-cam, I can absolutely relate to your struggles about coming out. In my case, family and friends turned out to be incredibly supportive. I am hoping that you have been able to move forward toward living the life that you wish for. Sending hugs and am always here to chat.
Poor him. Coming out as trans must be really hard. It's cool that the crew of the show hired a gender non-binary person to play his part, that way maybe they (Lachlan Watson) didn't feel uncomfortable playing him whether it be before or after his transition.
But im happy that theo found robin they deserve each other plus I felt bad for him its hard to come out I would have except him for who he is plus I cannot wait for another season
Im watching season 2 nd i still don't know if theo is a trans , i thought it was his decision and choice to live like a boy and not a girl anymore , i just had that feeling that it was only a choice , but knowing that he is a trans feels like he finally free of whatever obstacles he had .
I know I’m getting old, and I never understood this whole trans thing... but I can’t heap enough praise on this show for portraying this situation in such an honest and human way. My regret is simple, that it took so long This subject matter should have been presented when TV was in its infancy back in the 1960’s and 1970s, our world would be so much better, kinder and open minded had it been openly discussed instead of our opinions being formed by faith based bigotry and hate.
That fine and all, but how stupid is it too start using the boys locker room when your biologically still female? Your literally chumming for bullies because their not extinct.
Eric Krauter I mean we COULD just teach kids to stop being transphobic so this BOY can use the BOYs’ facilities because HE is a BOY. If you’re too worked up about a teenagers body parts maybe you have a bit of a problem????
Michael McGrath the dumbasses who use slurs instead of being a decent human being, or doing any research whatsoever on Trans People or Gender Dysphoria is EXHAUSTING
What? as an LGBT person, this whole story arc is nonsensical. She is a girl. She hasn't gone through transition to look like a boy or have taken hormones to have the strength of a boy, so to force herself into a boys' team is to ask the boys to hold back on her and is not fair to either the other girls or boys at the school. And to randomly barge into a boy's locker room WHILE STILL HAVING BREASTS (yes they are barely there but still, they're girl parts) when the boys tell her to take it off, well, if you're a guy, take it off then, what's the big deal? It's because she's not a guy. It's just nonsense. I can understand if it's AFTER transition, but this takes me out of the show because it's just illogical at this point
@@littlemothasmr What I wrote does not qualify as transphobia, it is common sense. Being a girl who barges into a guys locker room while still possessing breasts and lacking the physical strength to play male sports on equal footing while demanding others around her to treat her as a dude will either result in her injury or the dismantling of sports as we know it. Being "trans" does not automatically make nonsensical actions valid.
@@uadhlagash7280 I do agree with you, and I'm a trans guy. In 3rd season she has a crush on a dude and I think the dude thinks she's a boy because she says so, so yeah DONE (?). Ehm, this is totally nonsense.
Kit Mooney yes but before you fully transition your still in your old genders body and then you can have testosterone, surgery etc so as soon as you identify as a gender you don’t just change. Physical change takes a while
Be who and what you want to be. Fudge cake what anyone else tells you. Family or not. Life's too short to give a damn what anyone else thinks or wants you to be. Be you and be happy when doing it. Nothing else matter's.
3:42 Theo: "You first guys. Come on, we're all boys here. We shouldn't hide anything from each other. What, you got something to hide? Something to be ashamed of? Oh let me guess, embarrassing birthmark? Weird mole in weird place? Need to work out a bit more before you let anyone see it? Too many nachos? Something you need to work off? Or are you worried about your size? Too small? Well that doesn't mean anything? Embarrassed about being too big maybe? You know the Greek used to think that was a sign of being more animal than man, so they made their statues small. Come on, I give you a show, you give me a show. This is an place where we're not ashamed of anything, isn' it?"
It shouldn’t be uncomfortable though if she is identifying as a man that’s the whole point the lads know she is a girl genetically and that’s why there making their point
the majority of the guys doesn't feel comfortable with a female in their locker room. Theo is already making them uncomfortable, this is their protest.
@@patsyhay9592 trans people exist and acknowledging that is not “poisoning” anyones mind. Also it’s interesting how that’s the thing you don’t find family friendly and not the fact that the protagonist is literally satan’s spawn
as a trans teen that is exactly how it is like. I’m sick of everyone being portrayed as accepting when that isn’t the fucking case. Im lucky to have supportive staff, friends, and family, but that doesn’t change the fact that my school life is a living hell. I’m socially anxious and short like theo, and until january, the thought of coming out seemed impossible. Now i’m waiting for a referral to a clinic to start testosterone
I hate that it took me so long to learn about that stuff. When I was younger I thought that all trans people were intersex. That there is only gay or straight and that different pronouns are weird. Now I am a 24 year old bisexual woman and I will never ever assume anyones idenity/sexuality again and support everyone as good as I can. Love you all
I honestly really wanna know if Theo/Susie's dad knew that they were being bullied. Bullier as Susie. Bullied as Theo. Bullied just because.. Honestly Theo has so much confidence..
I knew Susie’s character was trans from the very first episode. It is completely obvious for those who care enough to know the signs. And I love that her friends just accepted Theo and carried on. That’s how it always should be. Gender and/or sexuality is personal. And when that person feels they are ready to reveal that about themselves, it is THEIR choice and THEIR truth. Whether you understand or believe or support it, it’s not up to you. Your job from here on out is respect. Period.
I'm transmasc and seeing Theo come out inspired me so much. So when it came time to pick a name I decided on Theo. I'm really happy that I can share a name with him.
What did Theo expect in an all boys locker room in high-school? Everyone was gonna be nice and not stare? Same for a boy dressing in an all girls locker room.
One of the funniest/saddest things in the series is that the bullies validated Theo before coming out saying he wasn’t feminine enough and claiming that he was basically a man. Then after coming out they say he isn’t a boy and that he’s just a girl. Just shows how stupid they are.
As a non binary person,this blows. It makes us look weak. Theo didn't earn the spot on the team. Can't play,shoot or dribble and going out for a boys team without physical transition. Then cry about boys wanting to see his girl body,this is stupid. We have fought too long and hard to just be handed something with earning it. Very disappointing
It doesn’t mean to come across that way it’s just to show that Sabrina is a very morally dubious character that means the best but does it in often ways that hurt her friends Theo probably could have won himself but Sabrina seeing him fail once decided it was her job
ethel should let her lost boys on billy and carl LOL;pp nothing like dangeours 12 yr old boys trying to kill 17yrs old boys lol:PP they literally did it in riverdale lolppp
I liked it but then it went too feminist type of show. I'm not a fan of forcing politics on a show. I understood Sabrina fighting the top boy scenes but the whole thing with Theo was forced af.
I never saw the point in Theo’s character. Every scene he is in comes off as very whiny, pathetic, and overly dramatic. The character doesn’t have any personal growth and doesn’t contribute anything to the team in my opinion. I’m all for representation, but if you’re going to include trans struggles in a show, book, movie, etc then make sure the hardship reflects to the character’s growth rather than just simply pandering to the fans of the show. If they had given Theo an interesting backstory or an awesome ability like Roz then I would have loved to see more of him, but he was given a very limited ability (they honestly should have gave him the power to communicate with all of the dead rather than just his one aunt) that he rarely ever uses. All in all, he and Harvey were utterly redundant; the show could do without them.
I don't know if you meant it like that but that was transphobic. If your part of the LGBTQ+ community you should educate yourself and be respectful to ALL LGBTQ+ people; someone's gender identity is not something for you to change/alter as you see fit.
God this pisses me off so much especially when she just says she is now Theo and then Harvey has questions so the other girl says she is now a boy and she has always been a boy but she was not ready and now she is like it’s just fine that your friend is suddenly saying he is a guy. That would be shocking to most people I can’t believe we live in a world we’re we are supposed to be ok with everyone changing there gender at the drop of there hat. At the end of the day susie is a girl genetically and always will be if transgenders were more open to say that they are genetically what they are instead of saying that they are point blank there preferred gender then it wouldn’t be so weird. It also annoys me that susie just drops it like she has never thought about it we were just used to her been susie and now we have to see her as a guy she has had no counselling or anything and she still has so much growing up to do hormones and such. I also can’t stand the them they pronouns I will never call someone a they because there a person with a name which I will call them by I don’t go up to my girl mates and call them hey girl I say he Abby or hey Gary. It makes no sense. I heard the other day someone saying that they identify as a dog well if that’s the case then they will have to eat dog food be walked on a less sleep on the floor and not go to work or school just chill all day 😂 the world has gone nuts. Also when susie is in the boys changing rooms it’s fair for the lads to be uncomfortable not everyone is going to just accept this. And when they tell her to take her clothes off why did she take offence if she is a boy wouldn’t she be ok with stripping like the other lads and showering but no she has to have special requirements whatever why bring these shitty gender Stories into teenage shows that are supposed to be innocent !!!!!
if the boys saw theo as another guy, then he wouldn’t be afraid. he knew that they would sexualize him and so he was uncomfortable. please go and undress in front of a room full of gay guys watching you and then see how you feel asshole
Imagine getting this mad over a overtly sexual teen drama & the biggest concern you have is “trans representation” LMFAO. So sex is fine, but you draw the line at representation of ppl who exist in the society cuz they don’t make sense to you? Get a grip on reality & stop whining. Matter of fact, THEO is a boy. Keep coping
I disagree with the claim that this "doesn't need to be" and also disagree that CAOS is doing this simply to "play to a subset." First, do we need more positive transgender representations? Absolutely. Many minority groups, including trans people, have attempted to navigate four "stages" of media representation: invisibility, ridicule, recognition and respect. For much of the 20th Century, transgender humans were essentially invisible in mainstream media. We emerged as a more visible social force during the final decades of that century, but were typically portrayed as deranged and violent (e.g. the Buffalo Bill character in "Silence of the Lambs") or pathetic and tragic (e.g. Dil in "The Crying Game"). Things are finally beginning to improve and we are seeing more complex and authentic representations, but we still have a long way to go. It is impossible for me to prove the next claim with empirical evidence, but it is grounded in years of research on media representation and I believe this with every ounce of my being: Positive trans representations such as the representation of Theo in CAOS are saving lives. It is difficult for people who have never questioned their gender identity to understand how overwhelmingly difficult it is to live with some sort of personal truth and self-respect in a society that continues to treat trans identities as pathological and tragic. A 2018 study by the American Academy of Pediatrics found that 29.9 percent of teen trans women have attempted suicide, more than *half* of teen trans men have attempted suicide, and 41.8 percent of non-binary teens have attempted suicide. Our community *needs* characters like Theo and I'm grateful that he exists. Second, is CAOS simply doing this in order to cater to a fringe subset of the population? This is not very likely. The show's creator, Roberto Aguirre-Scasa, has been exploring issues of gender identity and sexual orientation for almost 20 years, and he has done so within the Archie narrative universe. One of his first stage plays portrayed an alternate universe in which Archie Andrews comes out of the closet. He also developed ground-breaking LGBTQ representations as a comic book writer, and has received multiple awards from the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD). I have been trying to prune the comments section of hateful and transphobic remarks, but your post doesn't come across as hateful as much as it comes across as genuinely perplexed about why we are seeing more and more representations of transgender identity on our screens. I understand that it seems strange from the outside, but if you think about it -- and if you read the comments below from people who feel so validated and inspired by Theo -- you can see that we desperately need these representations.
@@ph143 I'm not sure I understand your point. If you're saying that some trans people get too outraged about pronouns, I understand how it might seem that way from the outside. But I guess my question is "why shouldn't people acknowledge each other's preferences about what they're called?" If you told me that you preferred to be called "Phil" or "Paul" rather than "PH," I would call you by that name. I mean, I could insist that you be called @ph because this was the handle that you selected when you signed up for an account, but why not just respect your preference? Disregarding someone's personal naming preferences is a different type of discrimination than more heavy-handed forms such as being fired or beaten or arrested for one's gender orientation, but it's still incredibly rough for many people who are fighting to be viewed as valid human beings. When people insist on *intentionally* using the wrong pronoun, or when people jokingly say things like "I identify as an attack helicopter," there is something important and troubling happening. If one deliberately ignores a trans person's preferred name or pronoun, one is telling the trans person, "You have no right to ask me to use a different pronoun because you're not really who you think you are." 'Attack helicopter jokes' are also a pretty clear rejection of trans identity. People absolutely have the right to not acknowledge pronouns and to make insensitive jokes. Being committed to free speech means that people can say whatever they want, even if it is hurtful or mean. But I keep coming back to the question, "Why *shouldn't* people acknowledge each other's preferences?"
@@carboneltigereye I disagree that objecting to use someones preferred pronoun is the same as saying you don't believe who they are. A personal truth is different from truth. Its the same religion. You're not obligated to live someone elses life.
@@ph143 I'm not sure that analogy works. If someone tells me that they are Buddhist, Christian, or Jewish, I don't have to believe in the tenets of Buddhism, Christianity or Judaism to accept the fact they identify with their chosen religion. Nor, do I have to believe in the tenets of those religions to wish someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukkah or a Happy Vesak if I know that they celebrate those holidays. It all boils down to respect and tolerance of different choices. None of us are obligated to live someone else's life. Acknowledging a trans human's preferred pronoun doesn't make you somehow transgender. It's simply acknowledging that this is important to that person, and -- because you respect that person -- you use the term when interacting with them.
It's not about a target audience. It's about representation. They're only seeking an audience who don't take issue with others being themselves. People who aren't judgmental or prejudiced. Open-minded people who understand that what other people do doesn't effect them, in the slightest. That said, if you can't stand to see marginalized groups shown in a positive light, then maybe a show about witches of all things isn't for you, anyway. I'm sure the creators won't miss your viewership, or your archaic views on gender and sexuality. Though, why you felt the need to express your lack of tolerance at all is beyond me. The world is changing. Society evolves. You won't change that. 🙄
theo and harvey’s friendship is so cute, i cannot-
@Z y a n a シ aye stranger things fan
this is an anomaly not friendship
Props to Theo's father. Pretty fast on the pick up.
in comparison to other parents, he did nice
susie not theo or you are a sisy???
@@lk8235 I no right she is a girl genetically simple as that wtf is this sissy world all about
@@lk8235 his Names Theo, it doesn’t effect you so leave it alone.
When I came out to my mom, she said, “I know. I’ve known since you were 3. I was just waiting for you to tell me yourself.”
It’s so nice seeing Roz, Harvey, and Sabrina being so open minded. True friends right there.
Also, Billy definitely has potential. I wish they’d show more of him so we can see his backstory or another side of him, like the sweet side they show at the dance. I think he should end up with his friend that has a crush on him.
@Z y a n a シOne of Billy's friends actually liked him.It was shown in that episode where Hilda catches them bullying Theo in the book store.
*Theo: “Um actually guys it’s Theo now”*
Me: I wish I could do that
Mum: what play basketball?
**Closes trans panic**
Me: Yeah sure......
i hope eveything goes well for u when you're ready to talk with them, if u wanna do that obviously. xoxo
Best of luck with your transition, and be brave, there's people out here that you might not know but that love you and respect you no matter what🍀💪❤️
Yeah i am non-binary and just the same with me
Sunshine Kids Gardening Tool omg same
Oh poor baby ;(
I love Harvey's reaction. He asked questions but he waited for an appropriate time (not the moment Theo came out) and than listened intently to the answers.
I cried when he came out to his dad, I wish it were that easy 😭😭😭😭😭
I don't think I've ever actually seen a young female to male trans person on a show. I don't watch things like drag or reality shows. The closest character I've seen is Beiste in glee but I think there's a difference in experience of someone who's young and someone who's an adult. Still both as hard as each other, but different to each other
Adam Torres (Degrassi - The Next Generation)
This doesnt really count but Trevor from shameless
actually, the actor is they/them!!
In the uk we had a soap opera called Hollyoaks, there was a female to male character.
Watch Degrassi, Adam and Yael
That hug with theo and harvey. He’s so tinyyyyyy
Fr he’s so cute bro
He’s my height
I feel like Theo has the strongest character arc in the show. A shy character (who is often bullied) learning to be brave is almost a trope, but to Theo, there's more to it. He's not just learning to be brave for the sake of character development, he's learning to be brave enough to be his authentic self.
Although, I do wish that it had been Theo explaining to Harvey what it means to be trans instead of Roxy. I love Roxy, but I feel like it's more Theo's place to explain his identity.
Man, that scene where he comes out to his dad...you FEEL that. That's fucking BRAVE.
I identify as trans masculine, and if I had seen representation like this when I was a teen maybe I wouldn't be here in my mid twenties struggling with my wishes to come out to my family and my fears that I might lose their respect. Bravo, Theo!
I am so sorry. I support you.
and yes agree. Love Theo for sticking to his beliefs and calmly explaining to his dad that he is who he is.
your life doe not matter
I can relate! As someone who came out in her 50s a couple years after posting this video to TH-cam, I can absolutely relate to your struggles about coming out. In my case, family and friends turned out to be incredibly supportive. I am hoping that you have been able to move forward toward living the life that you wish for. Sending hugs and am always here to chat.
@@lk8235 that’s something a suicidal person would say
Not gonna lie, Theo is pretty cute
YAS he is so fucking handsome i'm gonna cry
Mumkey Jones *theo
*Theo
Mumkey Jones it’s theo
Mumkey Jones THEO
I'M CRYING he is so brave when he faces those brats
Michael McGrath *he
A Slimy Boi that’s what they said
@@cupidzjester *she
@@Prozakc.O shit ur right sorry
@@ph143 *he... we can do this for eternity.
Poor him. Coming out as trans must be really hard. It's cool that the crew of the show hired a gender non-binary person to play his part, that way maybe they (Lachlan Watson) didn't feel uncomfortable playing him whether it be before or after his transition.
But im happy that theo found robin they deserve each other plus I felt bad for him its hard to come out I would have except him for who he is plus I cannot wait for another season
Didn't like his haircut though... I mean its cute and all but I think he could've chosen a better one..
Hmmm now that I think of it his round face do kinda match with the haircut.. im not sure anymore
It is. Especially when you're just kinda shoved out of the closet without being ready for it.
Im watching season 2 nd i still don't know if theo is a trans , i thought it was his decision and choice to live like a boy and not a girl anymore , i just had that feeling that it was only a choice , but knowing that he is a trans feels like he finally free of whatever obstacles he had .
That is how EVERY coming out to be!!!!! Calm and accepted!!!
I know I’m getting old, and I never understood this whole trans thing... but I can’t heap enough praise on this show for portraying this situation in such an honest and human way. My regret is simple, that it took so long This subject matter should have been presented when TV was in its infancy back in the 1960’s and 1970s, our world would be so much better, kinder and open minded had it been openly discussed instead of our opinions being formed by faith based bigotry and hate.
That is beautifully worded, Erin. I agree wholeheartedly.
carboneltigereye - Thank you, and thank you for posting this.
I really love how theo comes out
theo helped me figure out my identity more than i could ever do myself
this is incredibly powerful. seeing theo being lifted up and supported by even just a few people during that basketball game, it really got to me.
Good for Theo to come out. R.I.P. Susie.
That fine and all, but how stupid is it too start using the boys locker room when your biologically still female? Your literally chumming for bullies because their not extinct.
@@erickrauter9613
Yeah I agree about the locker room thing.
Susie never died Theo just showed who he really is
@@gosubtoal4ua632
But in order for Theo to do that, Susie had to say goodbye. Therefore Susie is no longer with us.
Eric Krauter I mean we COULD just teach kids to stop being transphobic so this BOY can use the BOYs’ facilities because HE is a BOY. If you’re too worked up about a teenagers body parts maybe you have a bit of a problem????
i love him so much :(( i’ve never seen trans rep this good
Hanif Work Him*
Swift Hanif
*him*
Sense8 (also Netflix) is this good for transgals.
Good girls on netflix had a trans kid too (im FTM also if it matters lol)
I don't even watch this show but I totally agree. I'm trans myself (ftm) and i love seeing rep
The transphobia in the comments section is exhausting
Michael McGrath the dumbasses who use slurs instead of being a decent human being, or doing any research whatsoever on Trans People or Gender Dysphoria is EXHAUSTING
every transphobic comment I read in this comment section I lose another brain cell because of how ignorant they are.
Exactly
trying to clean it up. didn't realize channel owners could moderate comment-by-comment.
Yeah I agree with that
as a non binary person , i am living for this representation.
What? as an LGBT person, this whole story arc is nonsensical. She is a girl. She hasn't gone through transition to look like a boy or have taken hormones to have the strength of a boy, so to force herself into a boys' team is to ask the boys to hold back on her and is not fair to either the other girls or boys at the school. And to randomly barge into a boy's locker room WHILE STILL HAVING BREASTS (yes they are barely there but still, they're girl parts) when the boys tell her to take it off, well, if you're a guy, take it off then, what's the big deal? It's because she's not a guy. It's just nonsense. I can understand if it's AFTER transition, but this takes me out of the show because it's just illogical at this point
@@littlemothasmr What I wrote does not qualify as transphobia, it is common sense. Being a girl who barges into a guys locker room while still possessing breasts and lacking the physical strength to play male sports on equal footing while demanding others around her to treat her as a dude will either result in her injury or the dismantling of sports as we know it. Being "trans" does not automatically make nonsensical actions valid.
@@uadhlagash7280 I do agree with you, and I'm a trans guy.
In 3rd season she has a crush on a dude and I think the dude thinks she's a boy because she says so, so yeah DONE (?).
Ehm, this is totally nonsense.
Kit Mooney yes but before you fully transition your still in your old genders body and then you can have testosterone, surgery etc so as soon as you identify as a gender you don’t just change. Physical change takes a while
Alessandro Spagnolo was you a women before and now a guy ?
I'm a FtM teenager so I know exactly what he's been through and I just love (young) trans represantation it is really important :)
Is it though 😂
Be who and what you want to be. Fudge cake what anyone else tells you. Family or not. Life's too short to give a damn what anyone else thinks or wants you to be. Be you and be happy when doing it. Nothing else matter's.
YES THEO YES
3:42 Theo: "You first guys. Come on, we're all boys here. We shouldn't hide anything from each other. What, you got something to hide? Something to be ashamed of? Oh let me guess, embarrassing birthmark? Weird mole in weird place? Need to work out a bit more before you let anyone see it? Too many nachos? Something you need to work off? Or are you worried about your size? Too small? Well that doesn't mean anything? Embarrassed about being too big maybe? You know the Greek used to think that was a sign of being more animal than man, so they made their statues small. Come on, I give you a show, you give me a show. This is an place where we're not ashamed of anything, isn' it?"
Awesome coming out
Theo is amazing
@@MichaelM28 HIS name is THEO
Anyone who believes that trans people are the ones who make bathrooms uncomfortable needs to watch this scene.
It shouldn’t be uncomfortable though if she is identifying as a man that’s the whole point the lads know she is a girl genetically and that’s why there making their point
the majority of the guys doesn't feel comfortable with a female in their locker room. Theo is already making them uncomfortable, this is their protest.
I LOVE THEIR REACTION OMG
These are true friends
As a trans guy myself this representation honestly meant so much to me and I loved seeing his character development throughout the season. :’)
I love seeing representation like this because it helps more people understand trans people
SHŌYO ILY ✨❤️💓
I don’t want to understand them thanks just keep shows family friendly mabey and stop poisoning our child’s minds
@@patsyhay9592 trans people exist and acknowledging that is not “poisoning” anyones mind. Also it’s interesting how that’s the thing you don’t find family friendly and not the fact that the protagonist is literally satan’s spawn
@@queerios1077No, no and no
My baby Ross!! From Austin and Ally!!💜💜
I love Theo he’s so cute
as a trans teen that is exactly how it is like. I’m sick of everyone being portrayed as accepting when that isn’t the fucking case. Im lucky to have supportive staff, friends, and family, but that doesn’t change the fact that my school life is a living hell. I’m socially anxious and short like theo, and until january, the thought of coming out seemed impossible. Now i’m waiting for a referral to a clinic to start testosterone
Ok but as a trans masc shorty too, the boys LOCKERROOM is some level 10 courage shit, Theo's got some BIG ass balls
I'm crying this is so sweet😭❤️❤️❤️❤️
I hate that it took me so long to learn about that stuff. When I was younger I thought that all trans people were intersex. That there is only gay or straight and that different pronouns are weird.
Now I am a 24 year old bisexual woman and I will never ever assume anyones idenity/sexuality again and support everyone as good as I can. Love you all
the way he paused before going into the boys locker room.. i Felt That
I love him so much and the hate in this comment section in horrible, I feel bad for him, he’s such a baby❤️❤️🥺
I honestly really wanna know if Theo/Susie's dad knew that they were being bullied. Bullier as Susie. Bullied as Theo. Bullied just because..
Honestly Theo has so much confidence..
He probably knew because Theo got that black eye in season one.
I knew Susie’s character was trans from the very first episode. It is completely obvious for those who care enough to know the signs. And I love that her friends just accepted Theo and carried on. That’s how it always should be. Gender and/or sexuality is personal. And when that person feels they are ready to reveal that about themselves, it is THEIR choice and THEIR truth. Whether you understand or believe or support it, it’s not up to you. Your job from here on out is respect. Period.
There is such a thing as a tomboy, whatever happened to them?
@@yummysushipyjamas they are two different things…
I love theo so much
R.I.P. Susie. You will be missed.
Clayton "Brick" Johnson YOUR DISGUSTING
Kind of wish Sabrina didn’t spell her so I could actually see if he would make it
Richard Johnson Kind of? I definitely wish Sabrina hadn't done that.
Richard Johnson she was helping out
Tactical . For shitstorm observation
I wish Sabrina didn’t spell HIM
Him*
shit got me crying i can't lie
I'm transmasc and seeing Theo come out inspired me so much. So when it came time to pick a name I decided on Theo. I'm really happy that I can share a name with him.
This is awesome 😂
They laid all that land work for Theo and Raz and all that shit and then they had Raz and Harvey like wtf
Sophia Ellis THANK YOU!
Roz
Yes Theo shine my baby!
Meanwhile meh as a closeted person:
*laughs and cries*
(I mean, I wish I could come out T-T
Am I a bad person for reading Susie as Sussy
No. But I'm a foolish person for having tagged the title with Theo's old name when I originally published it.
Roz is a fucking legend
Nice and aww
What did Theo expect in an all boys locker room in high-school? Everyone was gonna be nice and not stare? Same for a boy dressing in an all girls locker room.
sure, why not? are you around indecent or uneducated people to have such low expectations? (that was def. the case of my high school.)
@@megansaltno this is the real world, deal with it
I thought he was bill skårsgard lol 😂
@Victor Vega billy character I assume
What episode is this
Her voo doo doll revenge is my favorite part 👏👏👏👏
hes so small lol
One of the funniest/saddest things in the series is that the bullies validated Theo before coming out saying he wasn’t feminine enough and claiming that he was basically a man. Then after coming out they say he isn’t a boy and that he’s just a girl. Just shows how stupid they are.
this right here might make a bitch cry
What's the series about?
Witches
It a witch based feminist series called Chilling Adventures of Sabrina
*Intended for mature audiences
I'm not there yet but I FUCKING KNEW IT!*^* I'm really happy how they include the LGBTQ+ community in this show :3
I knowww I love it
FELLOW AROACE!!
Is that the clown from ittttttt
Remember BOYs don’t cry…. Oh wait
U thought u ate💀
Should I call you mista ?
I love her when she is susie and Theo!!!they are both so cute😍🤗
Is the same person.
@@ane6183 exactly
He* always use he doesnt matter if he was a she before
@@alextarpan2615 i'm so sorry.
As a non binary person,this blows. It makes us look weak. Theo didn't earn the spot on the team. Can't play,shoot or dribble and going out for a boys team without physical transition. Then cry about boys wanting to see his girl body,this is stupid. We have fought too long and hard to just be handed something with earning it. Very disappointing
It doesn’t mean to come across that way it’s just to show that Sabrina is a very morally dubious character that means the best but does it in often ways that hurt her friends Theo probably could have won himself but Sabrina seeing him fail once decided it was her job
SPOILER ALERT:
I love all the characters but I don't like that Nick cheated on Sabrina
ethel should let her lost boys on billy and carl LOL;pp
nothing like dangeours 12 yr old boys trying to kill 17yrs old boys lol:PP
they literally did it in riverdale lolppp
Harvey kinda cute and way braver yeah braver
Never watched Sabrina
I liked it but then it went too feminist type of show. I'm not a fan of forcing politics on a show. I understood Sabrina fighting the top boy scenes but the whole thing with Theo was forced af.
@@bgcm1995 feminism is JUST women wanting to be equal as men...nothing to do with politics you child.
@@ohnoafairy lmao
@@ohnoafairyequal in what we are already equal since decades
I never saw the point in Theo’s character. Every scene he is in comes off as very whiny, pathetic, and overly dramatic. The character doesn’t have any personal growth and doesn’t contribute anything to the team in my opinion. I’m all for representation, but if you’re going to include trans struggles in a show, book, movie, etc then make sure the hardship reflects to the character’s growth rather than just simply pandering to the fans of the show. If they had given Theo an interesting backstory or an awesome ability like Roz then I would have loved to see more of him, but he was given a very limited ability (they honestly should have gave him the power to communicate with all of the dead rather than just his one aunt) that he rarely ever uses. All in all, he and Harvey were utterly redundant; the show could do without them.
This would never happen in real life
MD Supreme aaaaaaa but it dooo
MD Supreme im ftm bro it hAppeNs .-.
What the magic? No, probably not.
They smfh
This storyline helped me realise that i am non-binary myself. I thought Susie was cute, but I find Theo more attractive.
Still can't believe Billy downgraded from Teen Wolf to this crap show.
This "boy" is a bad joke
I know Theo is a boy now, but I'm still gay for him even I'm a girl OwO
•Lucky-Karma• 666 well then your not gay for Theo because if you identify as a girl/are a girl and he identifies as a boy/is a boy then it is hetero
@@sleepingstormtrooper2442 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ok
that's transphobic
That's transphobic
I don't know if you meant it like that but that was transphobic. If your part of the LGBTQ+ community you should educate yourself and be respectful to ALL LGBTQ+ people; someone's gender identity is not something for you to change/alter as you see fit.
token character and a let down of a show
The worst character in Sabrina
@Victor Vega Susie
@Victor Vega what?
God this pisses me off so much especially when she just says she is now Theo and then Harvey has questions so the other girl says she is now a boy and she has always been a boy but she was not ready and now she is like it’s just fine that your friend is suddenly saying he is a guy. That would be shocking to most people I can’t believe we live in a world we’re we are supposed to be ok with everyone changing there gender at the drop of there hat. At the end of the day susie is a girl genetically and always will be if transgenders were more open to say that they are genetically what they are instead of saying that they are point blank there preferred gender then it wouldn’t be so weird. It also annoys me that susie just drops it like she has never thought about it we were just used to her been susie and now we have to see her as a guy she has had no counselling or anything and she still has so much growing up to do hormones and such. I also can’t stand the them they pronouns I will never call someone a they because there a person with a name which I will call them by I don’t go up to my girl mates and call them hey girl I say he Abby or hey Gary. It makes no sense. I heard the other day someone saying that they identify as a dog well if that’s the case then they will have to eat dog food be walked on a less sleep on the floor and not go to work or school just chill all day 😂 the world has gone nuts. Also when susie is in the boys changing rooms it’s fair for the lads to be uncomfortable not everyone is going to just accept this. And when they tell her to take her clothes off why did she take offence if she is a boy wouldn’t she be ok with stripping like the other lads and showering but no she has to have special requirements whatever why bring these shitty gender Stories into teenage shows that are supposed to be innocent !!!!!
I absolutely agree with you.
if the boys saw theo as another guy, then he wouldn’t be afraid. he knew that they would sexualize him and so he was uncomfortable. please go and undress in front of a room full of gay guys watching you and then see how you feel asshole
Imagine getting this mad over a overtly sexual teen drama & the biggest concern you have is “trans representation” LMFAO. So sex is fine, but you draw the line at representation of ppl who exist in the society cuz they don’t make sense to you? Get a grip on reality & stop whining. Matter of fact, THEO is a boy. Keep coping
This is so stupid omg
Susie is such an annoying character 🙄
Why is this just being pumped into everything now? Doesn’t need to be. Takes a good show and knocks it down a peg to play to a subset.
I disagree with the claim that this "doesn't need to be" and also disagree that CAOS is doing this simply to "play to a subset."
First, do we need more positive transgender representations? Absolutely. Many minority groups, including trans people, have attempted to navigate four "stages" of media representation: invisibility, ridicule, recognition and respect. For much of the 20th Century, transgender humans were essentially invisible in mainstream media. We emerged as a more visible social force during the final decades of that century, but were typically portrayed as deranged and violent (e.g. the Buffalo Bill character in "Silence of the Lambs") or pathetic and tragic (e.g. Dil in "The Crying Game"). Things are finally beginning to improve and we are seeing more complex and authentic representations, but we still have a long way to go.
It is impossible for me to prove the next claim with empirical evidence, but it is grounded in years of research on media representation and I believe this with every ounce of my being: Positive trans representations such as the representation of Theo in CAOS are saving lives.
It is difficult for people who have never questioned their gender identity to understand how overwhelmingly difficult it is to live with some sort of personal truth and self-respect in a society that continues to treat trans identities as pathological and tragic. A 2018 study by the American Academy of Pediatrics found that 29.9 percent of teen trans women have attempted suicide, more than *half* of teen trans men have attempted suicide, and 41.8 percent of non-binary teens have attempted suicide. Our community *needs* characters like Theo and I'm grateful that he exists.
Second, is CAOS simply doing this in order to cater to a fringe subset of the population? This is not very likely. The show's creator, Roberto Aguirre-Scasa, has been exploring issues of gender identity and sexual orientation for almost 20 years, and he has done so within the Archie narrative universe. One of his first stage plays portrayed an alternate universe in which Archie Andrews comes out of the closet. He also developed ground-breaking LGBTQ representations as a comic book writer, and has received multiple awards from the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD).
I have been trying to prune the comments section of hateful and transphobic remarks, but your post doesn't come across as hateful as much as it comes across as genuinely perplexed about why we are seeing more and more representations of transgender identity on our screens. I understand that it seems strange from the outside, but if you think about it -- and if you read the comments below from people who feel so validated and inspired by Theo -- you can see that we desperately need these representations.
@@carboneltigereye Not acknowledging someones wording doesn't mean discrimination though.
@@ph143 I'm not sure I understand your point. If you're saying that some trans people get too outraged about pronouns, I understand how it might seem that way from the outside. But I guess my question is "why shouldn't people acknowledge each other's preferences about what they're called?" If you told me that you preferred to be called "Phil" or "Paul" rather than "PH," I would call you by that name. I mean, I could insist that you be called @ph because this was the handle that you selected when you signed up for an account, but why not just respect your preference?
Disregarding someone's personal naming preferences is a different type of discrimination than more heavy-handed forms such as being fired or beaten or arrested for one's gender orientation, but it's still incredibly rough for many people who are fighting to be viewed as valid human beings. When people insist on *intentionally* using the wrong pronoun, or when people jokingly say things like "I identify as an attack helicopter," there is something important and troubling happening. If one deliberately ignores a trans person's preferred name or pronoun, one is telling the trans person, "You have no right to ask me to use a different pronoun because you're not really who you think you are." 'Attack helicopter jokes' are also a pretty clear rejection of trans identity.
People absolutely have the right to not acknowledge pronouns and to make insensitive jokes. Being committed to free speech means that people can say whatever they want, even if it is hurtful or mean. But I keep coming back to the question, "Why *shouldn't* people acknowledge each other's preferences?"
@@carboneltigereye I disagree that objecting to use someones preferred pronoun is the same as saying you don't believe who they are. A personal truth is different from truth. Its the same religion. You're not obligated to live someone elses life.
@@ph143 I'm not sure that analogy works. If someone tells me that they are Buddhist, Christian, or Jewish, I don't have to believe in the tenets of Buddhism, Christianity or Judaism to accept the fact they identify with their chosen religion. Nor, do I have to believe in the tenets of those religions to wish someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukkah or a Happy Vesak if I know that they celebrate those holidays. It all boils down to respect and tolerance of different choices.
None of us are obligated to live someone else's life. Acknowledging a trans human's preferred pronoun doesn't make you somehow transgender. It's simply acknowledging that this is important to that person, and -- because you respect that person -- you use the term when interacting with them.
What in the world... I'm still debating whether or not to finish this. Clearly, there's a target audience. #NoTheo
It's not about a target audience. It's about representation. They're only seeking an audience who don't take issue with others being themselves. People who aren't judgmental or prejudiced. Open-minded people who understand that what other people do doesn't effect them, in the slightest. That said, if you can't stand to see marginalized groups shown in a positive light, then maybe a show about witches of all things isn't for you, anyway. I'm sure the creators won't miss your viewership, or your archaic views on gender and sexuality. Though, why you felt the need to express your lack of tolerance at all is beyond me. The world is changing. Society evolves. You won't change that. 🙄
I love him so much and the hate in this comment section in horrible, I feel bad for him, he’s such a baby❤️❤️🥺