funnily enough, I disagree. I think elemental mage has been good off and on for years, its just that the rest of the game is so hostile that it makes alot of "good" decks just "bad". too many power imbalances and power outliers in the collection, man...
@@DavidSmith-cr7mbI disagree, if a deck only sees play a bit after darkmoon faire because of grand finale and never comes back again then it isn’t good. The deck was playable in a single expansion years ago.
@@nicholaswardroup8434 I mean printing two cards and pyros isn’t necessarily pushing the archetype, rather giving it cards, they never really focused on it too much or printed good cards for it until elemental allies and that one 0 mana spell.
I don’t tend to be an aggro player, but I am of the opinion that a surplus of efficient draw is healthy for the wild format (where it is limited to aggro decks). The most important reason for this is that it forces decks to be proactive. A control deck can’t just sit back and play removal, they need to take the board to actually secure agency against the deck. It resists the tendency of the format to be less about pressure, something that combo and the style of aggro that pirates represents encourages in its fragility.
so about overflow surger. i think its really good. while there have been times where it griefed my elemental chains, i think that the board pressure it applies is worth it, mainly because removal and aoes are very uncommon in wild. i started the list running saruun at first, but found they were too often a really heavy brick and that relying on draw order to pull of a shitty garotte impression, which wasnt worth it. while surger was originally included because of its synergy with saruun, i was so impressed with its preformance, especially against priests, that i decided to keep it for the final build. hope everyone enjoys it before it gets caught in the standard nerf crossfire
This expansion is another one that feels like a wild expansion. Standart didn't change one bit, it still has the same decks as ever and Starships are played merely for fun. Verily, Wild has gotten alot more playable, HW, Libram, Elementals, even Draeneis have seen some play, and it's kinda weird because Wild is meant to be the powerhouse mode, yet none of the cards that improved Wild see play in Standart and that definetly says something abouy what's going on.
I agree overflow surger is generally mediocre, but against decks that only have a few board clears, dropping a surger immediately after having your board cleared feels pretty good. Of course building boards is what the deck is already really good at, but surger costs only one card, so, that's something.
Honestly its been a pain in the ass for me, not even with a control deck i can beat them. All it takes is having 2 lamplighters in hand to do 26 from hand.
"Who ever could have guessed that playing a card every turn is really fun?" Dude I get it, I feel like you're just discovering what I loved about Elemental Shaman years ago and why this deck has caught my eye, because it reminds me of it. I was always surprised it didn't take off more like Elemental Mage has. Maybe it just wasn't as obvious, and I feel like it didn't REALLY hit its stride until Grumble, World Shaker came out, and the 2 mana spells that drew and copied a card or buffed an elemental & added a copy to your hand, but once they did it would just snowball completely out of control. Like you said, you never felt like you were trudging along playing cards over 5 mana (even though you were) because the tempo and value you got from your big cards (Servant of Kalimos, Fire Elemental, Kalimos, Grumble), was so high it felt like playing multiple cards in one. Servant was insane, often getting you more Kalimos and Grumbles; and being able to play your Fire Elementals and Kalimos again for 1 mana was just ridiculous. It probably would struggle in today's climate but for its time it felt very competent. You could always come back on the board and you never really ran out of cards.
I saw your post with this list when I was at Diamond 8 and got to legend 8 hours ago. I play only on mobile so no decktracker, but I think the score was 25-5 (My multiplier in diamond was just x1). Thanks a lot, I really like this zoo style tribal decks (My first ever legend was in March 2018 with murloc paladin)
"It's almost like playing tempo is cool, maybe that's just me maybe I'm the weirdo" You've like perfectly summed up how I feel whenever I see a post complaining about aggro. Like damn I'm sorry I like playing cards at the start of the game, and not at the end of the game.
way that i see it, aggro is always about just playing the most on curve, while combo decks sometimes have to play on curve and fight for board or sometimes set-up combo. But I don't think aggro is a bad archetype to have in card games, I just don't enjoy playing it.
I've been most excited for elemental mage throughout card reveal and it didn't disappoint. Got to legend in standard in first two days using both Saruun and Mes'Adune for otk backup combos and it was hella fun. Its been unplayable pretty much only against infinite armor warriors and starship hunters/deathknights because of damned Yelling Yodeler.
Woah. 1680 dust. That’s only slightly higher than a legendary. F2P players rejoice. Edit: Yeah, not a single legendary. I don’t even think there’s a single epic. Also the editing is fine. Pokemon B/W OST goes hard.
Tbh combo decks are very rewarding and i understand why people like it. Ending the life of an opponent with an otk feels so good. Control decks in other hand....i consider it the most boring cause your main goal is not letting the oponent playing the game, board clear, disruption board clear, disruption and the mirror match of control are fucking long.
I think the 5 cost that replicates should summon a base copy, not an actual copy, it wouldn’t kill the deck, making it a strong tempo deck instead of an otk that’s low roll is a tempo deck (in standard it might be a little too good)
btw when you play a new deck bro, they frontload your bad matchups, idk why, but you WILL have a tough matchup first-game everytime. sometimes its just game after game of unwinnables. I PERSONALLY believe its rigging to predict and control player behaviors but Im just a snow schizo fro minneso
Wild not really lamp lighter hurts but the deck still just builds a full board on turn 3 then another with increased stats then another again and again with one of the best removal spells in the entire game
I enjoy this kind of videos. Also, I really like Elemental decks in general, and Elemental Mage in particular. I've been trying to make the deck work in standard during Titans and Showdown, and it's been the sole reason I haven't quit during that time. I really hate Overflow Surger, though. The card feels underwhelming, polarizing, and worst of all, BORING. Its braindead synergy with Saruun in standard isn't fun, it feels forced and unnecessarily pushing Saruun to be an OTK card instead of just providing extra burn damage. If it weren't for Overflow Surger, Saruun could have been 5 mana, (maybe even 4, but that's a stretch). Either way, that would have been infinitely more fun than anything Overflow Surger has to offer.
Power creep and keywords are nuts in Hearthstone, I honestly don't even know wtf is going on anymore. Played a few games of standard ranked and had a combination of getting wrecked by ele mage and not knowing what starships are so went back to battlegrounds LOL. I miss the old days of Hearthstone.
I really like elemental mage but at the same time like i just got back into the game a couple months ago and elemental mage is what i ended up on in standard and is more or less what i ended up on. My pulls have been trash and of the decks i want to play they're ass unfortunately or I'm missing vital cards so I'm just stuck to elemental mage for ranked again. I might just stick to battlegrounds for a while.
I haven't played a single match this expansion. Does elemental mage feel like a strong deck, or a total BS deck? It sounds fun but I don't want to play BS
Doesn't seem that strong in my opinion. The games are in lower ranks which makes the deck seem better than it is Edit: ok nvm, i tried it at diamond 5 and it's definitely strong, probably the best aggro deck like Flare said. I have to admit the deck didn't look that impressive on paper, but looks can be deceiving
@err0rc0degames hey im the person that made the deck and gave it to flare. this might be personal bias on my part, but i think you should try it. its ridiculous fast and has hyper efficient draw. i wouldnt call the deck broken, but i think its nice theres an aggro deck thats somewhat playable that isnt pirates. also the deck is dirt cheap (1680 dust total). im hovering at around 150 legend on eu so the deck definitely has legs. hope this helps.
you say this like "serious" players actually exist on ladder lmfao? You don't find "serious" players below 1-2k legend everyone else is either actually bad, or just playing for fun.
@@FlareIsGone Serious in terms of playing sweeps, and not going out on the 2-4 turn as a quest lock, an ordinary highlander deck will calmly control the table, and the quest lock will kill on the 5-6 turn, of the decks shown, only the shaman played something with the quest, but how, for example, this deck will cope with 4/12 from a big shaman or a better approach Do Highlanders have a deck?
i havent even played the new expansion yet. I ran in5o a bunch of mages on day one, put the game down knowing there was balance issues. not even a day later the 100 mana card is emergency nerfed? lollllll, im just gonna sit back and watch the fireworks on this expansion, I got cards but it doesnt matter, rotation is coming ill just dust and refund cards and not play this season, maybe I can get enough dust together to try to play next season if its balanced enough
Yeah, that's totally you. Elemental mage is one of the most disgusting decks ever. It's almost as bad as it gets. It's only marginally behind some of the most refined Wild OTK decks. Whoever designed these cards must be immediately fired and banned from the profession forever.
they've been trying to push the archetype unashamedly for the longest time and it's finally reached a point where ALL the focus has gone into making the archetype of elemental minions strong purely all on its own. I don't understand how a deck full of minions and around 6 spells can work this well in all formats. The synergies are too strong!
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I am so glad mage can finally play elementals, they’ve pushed the archetype since like darkmoon faire and it almost never actually came together.
funnily enough, I disagree. I think elemental mage has been good off and on for years, its just that the rest of the game is so hostile that it makes alot of "good" decks just "bad". too many power imbalances and power outliers in the collection, man...
@@DavidSmith-cr7mbI disagree, if a deck only sees play a bit after darkmoon faire because of grand finale and never comes back again then it isn’t good. The deck was playable in a single expansion years ago.
they've been pushing the archetype since un'goro :(
@@nicholaswardroup8434 I mean printing two cards and pyros isn’t necessarily pushing the archetype, rather giving it cards, they never really focused on it too much or printed good cards for it until elemental allies and that one 0 mana spell.
@@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475 that’s fair I was just lamenting the fact that cards like Pyros, Steam Surger, and blazecaller were never good
Wow a 3 mana 3/1 draw 3 is good? Crazy
Yeah, but that time it draw only 2 because it hit the allies make it so much worse...
I don’t tend to be an aggro player, but I am of the opinion that a surplus of efficient draw is healthy for the wild format (where it is limited to aggro decks).
The most important reason for this is that it forces decks to be proactive. A control deck can’t just sit back and play removal, they need to take the board to actually secure agency against the deck. It resists the tendency of the format to be less about pressure, something that combo and the style of aggro that pirates represents encourages in its fragility.
so about overflow surger. i think its really good. while there have been times where it griefed my elemental chains, i think that the board pressure it applies is worth it, mainly because removal and aoes are very uncommon in wild. i started the list running saruun at first, but found they were too often a really heavy brick and that relying on draw order to pull of a shitty garotte impression, which wasnt worth it. while surger was originally included because of its synergy with saruun, i was so impressed with its preformance, especially against priests, that i decided to keep it for the final build.
hope everyone enjoys it before it gets caught in the standard nerf crossfire
This expansion is another one that feels like a wild expansion.
Standart didn't change one bit, it still has the same decks as ever and Starships are played merely for fun.
Verily, Wild has gotten alot more playable, HW, Libram, Elementals, even Draeneis have seen some play, and it's kinda weird because Wild is meant to be the powerhouse mode, yet none of the cards that improved Wild see play in Standart and that definetly says something abouy what's going on.
I agree overflow surger is generally mediocre, but against decks that only have a few board clears, dropping a surger immediately after having your board cleared feels pretty good. Of course building boards is what the deck is already really good at, but surger costs only one card, so, that's something.
Honestly its been a pain in the ass for me, not even with a control deck i can beat them.
All it takes is having 2 lamplighters in hand to do 26 from hand.
"Who ever could have guessed that playing a card every turn is really fun?"
Dude I get it, I feel like you're just discovering what I loved about Elemental Shaman years ago and why this deck has caught my eye, because it reminds me of it. I was always surprised it didn't take off more like Elemental Mage has. Maybe it just wasn't as obvious, and I feel like it didn't REALLY hit its stride until Grumble, World Shaker came out, and the 2 mana spells that drew and copied a card or buffed an elemental & added a copy to your hand, but once they did it would just snowball completely out of control. Like you said, you never felt like you were trudging along playing cards over 5 mana (even though you were) because the tempo and value you got from your big cards (Servant of Kalimos, Fire Elemental, Kalimos, Grumble), was so high it felt like playing multiple cards in one. Servant was insane, often getting you more Kalimos and Grumbles; and being able to play your Fire Elementals and Kalimos again for 1 mana was just ridiculous. It probably would struggle in today's climate but for its time it felt very competent. You could always come back on the board and you never really ran out of cards.
Expansion fucking sucks at least someone is happy.
I saw your post with this list when I was at Diamond 8 and got to legend 8 hours ago. I play only on mobile so no decktracker, but I think the score was 25-5 (My multiplier in diamond was just x1). Thanks a lot, I really like this zoo style tribal decks (My first ever legend was in March 2018 with murloc paladin)
"It's almost like playing tempo is cool, maybe that's just me maybe I'm the weirdo" You've like perfectly summed up how I feel whenever I see a post complaining about aggro. Like damn I'm sorry I like playing cards at the start of the game, and not at the end of the game.
way that i see it, aggro is always about just playing the most on curve, while combo decks sometimes have to play on curve and fight for board or sometimes set-up combo. But I don't think aggro is a bad archetype to have in card games, I just don't enjoy playing it.
kinda weird, yeah
"best wild aggro deck" its also a best standard aggro deck.
I've been most excited for elemental mage throughout card reveal and it didn't disappoint. Got to legend in standard in first two days using both Saruun and Mes'Adune for otk backup combos and it was hella fun. Its been unplayable pretty much only against infinite armor warriors and starship hunters/deathknights because of damned Yelling Yodeler.
Big fan of this style of videos, not very knowledgeable about wild decks so getting to see them in action is neat
I guess you could say this deck is ele-mental.
Alright, I’ll see myself out.
I think there's a counter in HS replay for the elemental giant that should count for Lamplighter
Woah. 1680 dust. That’s only slightly higher than a legendary. F2P players rejoice.
Edit: Yeah, not a single legendary. I don’t even think there’s a single epic. Also the editing is fine. Pokemon B/W OST goes hard.
This deck feels like shit to play against. Insane tempo all game, infinite card draw, and then 20 damage from hand turn 8.
i like these type of videos a lot more, 1 more thing you could do is add a picture of the card you are talking about to the bottom of the screen
Tbh combo decks are very rewarding and i understand why people like it. Ending the life of an opponent with an otk feels so good.
Control decks in other hand....i consider it the most boring cause your main goal is not letting the oponent playing the game, board clear, disruption board clear, disruption and the mirror match of control are fucking long.
I think the 5 cost that replicates should summon a base copy, not an actual copy, it wouldn’t kill the deck, making it a strong tempo deck instead of an otk that’s low roll is a tempo deck (in standard it might be a little too good)
btw when you play a new deck bro, they frontload your bad matchups, idk why, but you WILL have a tough matchup first-game everytime. sometimes its just game after game of unwinnables.
I PERSONALLY believe its rigging to predict and control player behaviors but Im just a snow schizo fro minneso
I ended 24-4 on stream with the deck
Dude I tried this deck and went against 5 decks in a row that just had infinite board clears turn 1-5 idk maybe its my mmr is all control decks
Flare Video Essay yayyy
Can you make a video along the lines of talking about healthy and unhealthy combo decks throughout time
With the Lamplighter nerf, is this deck dead?
Wild not really lamp lighter hurts but the deck still just builds a full board on turn 3 then another with increased stats then another again and again with one of the best removal spells in the entire game
I enjoy this kind of videos. Also, I really like Elemental decks in general, and Elemental Mage in particular. I've been trying to make the deck work in standard during Titans and Showdown, and it's been the sole reason I haven't quit during that time. I really hate Overflow Surger, though. The card feels underwhelming, polarizing, and worst of all, BORING. Its braindead synergy with Saruun in standard isn't fun, it feels forced and unnecessarily pushing Saruun to be an OTK card instead of just providing extra burn damage. If it weren't for Overflow Surger, Saruun could have been 5 mana, (maybe even 4, but that's a stretch). Either way, that would have been infinitely more fun than anything Overflow Surger has to offer.
Lets give an aggro deck infinite card draw and free aoe yeah that sure will be fun and healthy
imagine fire mage come back
Outro without sound feels souless
This kind of videos are nice tho :)
It's cool when new cards create a new archetype for wild (or at least make it playable) :D
Power creep and keywords are nuts in Hearthstone, I honestly don't even know wtf is going on anymore. Played a few games of standard ranked and had a combination of getting wrecked by ele mage and not knowing what starships are so went back to battlegrounds LOL. I miss the old days of Hearthstone.
I really like elemental mage but at the same time like i just got back into the game a couple months ago and elemental mage is what i ended up on in standard and is more or less what i ended up on. My pulls have been trash and of the decks i want to play they're ass unfortunately or I'm missing vital cards so I'm just stuck to elemental mage for ranked again. I might just stick to battlegrounds for a while.
I haven't played a single match this expansion. Does elemental mage feel like a strong deck, or a total BS deck? It sounds fun but I don't want to play BS
Doesn't seem that strong in my opinion. The games are in lower ranks which makes the deck seem better than it is
Edit: ok nvm, i tried it at diamond 5 and it's definitely strong, probably the best aggro deck like Flare said. I have to admit the deck didn't look that impressive on paper, but looks can be deceiving
It's really strong and incredibly popular in standard, but outside of saruun shenanigans it's just... A strong aggro deck
There's a BS deck literally every expansion. It's how HS has been since like Kobolds and Catacombs
@err0rc0degames hey im the person that made the deck and gave it to flare. this might be personal bias on my part, but i think you should try it. its ridiculous fast and has hyper efficient draw. i wouldnt call the deck broken, but i think its nice theres an aggro deck thats somewhat playable that isnt pirates. also the deck is dirt cheap (1680 dust total). im hovering at around 150 legend on eu so the deck definitely has legs. hope this helps.
And where are the serious opponents in the video shown? Almost everyone before the 4-5 move was just sitting almost in the afc?
you say this like "serious" players actually exist on ladder lmfao? You don't find "serious" players below 1-2k legend everyone else is either actually bad, or just playing for fun.
@@FlareIsGone Serious in terms of playing sweeps, and not going out on the 2-4 turn as a quest lock, an ordinary highlander deck will calmly control the table, and the quest lock will kill on the 5-6 turn, of the decks shown, only the shaman played something with the quest, but how, for example, this deck will cope with 4/12 from a big shaman or a better approach Do Highlanders have a deck?
Keep the gameplay videos, they are great!
i havent even played the new expansion yet. I ran in5o a bunch of mages on day one, put the game down knowing there was balance issues. not even a day later the 100 mana card is emergency nerfed? lollllll, im just gonna sit back and watch the fireworks on this expansion, I got cards but it doesnt matter, rotation is coming ill just dust and refund cards and not play this season, maybe I can get enough dust together to try to play next season if its balanced enough
10:44 one of them does
No Grand Finale in the deck? bruh
I'm happy there's another viable wild tribe besides effing pirates. Even Mechs can't keep up despite a decade of support
Yeah, that's totally you. Elemental mage is one of the most disgusting decks ever. It's almost as bad as it gets. It's only marginally behind some of the most refined Wild OTK decks. Whoever designed these cards must be immediately fired and banned from the profession forever.
they've been trying to push the archetype unashamedly for the longest time and it's finally reached a point where ALL the focus has gone into making the archetype of elemental minions strong purely all on its own. I don't understand how a deck full of minions and around 6 spells can work this well in all formats. The synergies are too strong!