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  • @Russianboyz95
    @Russianboyz95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    It's almost like you need to try but not too hard.

  • @Thedancingdoc2028
    @Thedancingdoc2028 3 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    Just goes to show that you can have amazing stats and still not get in. I firmly believe next year she'll get it. I applaud her for her vulnerability so she and we can learn from her mistake(s).

    • @Thedancingdoc2028
      @Thedancingdoc2028 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @C B this is very true, but I know some people who fell below the range and had a killer application overall and go in over some students who stats surpassed hers. But she worked her ass OFF!! She explained exactly why she wanted to be a physician. It was amazing. And she got in! No waitlist! She got in! With no problems. So like Dr. Ryan said its a combination.
      Disclaimer her stats weren't that far off but under the median.

    • @Thedancingdoc2028
      @Thedancingdoc2028 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @C B I completely agree! But if that's all you got it maybe worth a try. Which is why you have to spread your eggs some of everywhere. This process is beyond crazy and stressful. And you really have to at times stay in your lane and do your best. Because when I look at all the other candidates with better stats it drives me crazy. But I am also being smart of the schools I am applying to while being strategic.

    • @TeawithZ
      @TeawithZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @C B you think academic stats would go up? COVID-19 is a huge stressor for many. List of income, family illness, etc and not everyone is good at teaching themselves/having discipline at home. It also doesn’t help that the times are insane (3-10PM? Well damn). I think It will be a mix but ADCOMS will have to adjust/be more understanding

    • @TeawithZ
      @TeawithZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @C B I wasn’t saying to depend on the stats being trash, but more so not expecting “520 MCAT + 3.9 GPA” in a pandemic. Even if the professors were told to go easy, fact is, not everyone can adjust to online learning and get an A. Passing is not the same thing as a sky high academic stat. Same mentality for why MCATS might not be amazing. Especially for people struggling to get access to online resources, I would HOPE the ADCOMS factor that in. And really, re-evaluate how they filter applicants since clinical exposure is also limited in this time

    • @TeawithZ
      @TeawithZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @C B I guess It depends. And like I’ve seen some of your other comments, apply smart. There are schools that are making It a heavy point to accept students with little clinical experience, push for them to explain that in the added secondary essays about COVID impact/the disadvantaged statements, etc. I personally know two individuals with lower “stats” than I have and are now currently MS1s. I’m just saying, i don’t think people should be beating themselves up because of some uncontrollable factor like COVID. If everyone felt like this, the applicant pool will be only those lucky individuals you mentioned while everyone else is SOL

  • @makhloufbannoud644
    @makhloufbannoud644 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    She took criticism extremely well and I can tell she’s trying to improve. I hope she’ll have more luck next cycle. Thank you for sharing your application.

  • @nc9036
    @nc9036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Her school list needed to be waaaaay expanded, I think she easily picks up an interview if she applies to 20-30 schools (which with these stats, you absolutely should be). The story is critical but she's missing so many opportunities for a school to take a chance on her.

  • @HarpreetSingh-tt3io
    @HarpreetSingh-tt3io 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    You being you is standing out since you would follow your passion and tell your story. That’s what it means to stand out

    • @tybera1114
      @tybera1114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, that's the entire the point. Your application is about telling people who you are and how, who you are, can benefit you and healthcare by being a physician. In this instance none of her leadership stuff is most meaningful, which is perplexing to me. I have a feeling it's because it wasn't clinical and someone said all meaningful experiences must be clinical (this is absolutely false!). If she took one or two of those and described how her being a leader impacted her, matured her, and expand on what she learned that would go a long ways towards describing her passion for leadership and team management. It may also get into the nuance of her management style and how she handles stress, which would be AMAZING to see.
      She's a completely wonderful applicant but I absolutely agree with Dr.Gray she's spending so much time trying to please the mystical adcoms that she's getting in her own way of who she is. This screams checklist . It's so frustrating to see because reading her other stuff it's easy to see that there's so much more there.

  • @mikell.6064
    @mikell.6064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +318

    I swear if the next video is "520 MCAT 4.0 GPA, No interviews" I will lose it lol. This goes to show how challenging this process is. Respect to all current pre meds.

    • @jeann3860
      @jeann3860 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      My friend got only 5 interviews out of 30 applications, he had 4.0 GPA and 518 MCAT, almost as what you just mentioned.

    • @Russianboyz95
      @Russianboyz95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@jeann3860 5 interviews is really good, average number for successful applicants is around 3

    • @mikell.6064
      @mikell.6064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @C B The purpose of the video was to show that the application process is more than just stats.. Dr. Grey said she had the stats to be competitive at any school, the problem was her ineffective story telling skills.

    • @mikell.6064
      @mikell.6064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @C B Fixing the student's list is easy. Her application wasn't good, that's where the work was needed and that's what the video showed. There have been many examples of students in the past in this show with 10 points below average MCAT and below average GPA that got accepted to med school. Stats are not everything. Anyway, no need to argue with you, you do you my friend.

    • @kparm23
      @kparm23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @C B Why are you always talking shit about Dr.Gray but you never seem to miss watching any of his videos? 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

  • @jessicas6776
    @jessicas6776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Seeing stats like that not get in makes me want to freak out but I guess it’s also sorta comforting because it proves that stats aren’t everything

    • @emperormouse5487
      @emperormouse5487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      3.72 GPA (which was a 3.83 until I bombed my very last semester) + a retake 507 from a 503 got me into a decent MD school on my first try. I would say I had good extracurriculars, graduated from a Top 100 US News University (so my school didn't play a role whether I was considered or not) with a degree in Neuroscience, had an average personal statement, engaged in a decent amount of volunteering (~750 hours), and received good letters of rec from science, non-science, and extracurricular sources. I am also an Asian male, so I am overrepresented in Medicine already and the average stats for an Asian male matriculant to med school is higher than any other ethnicity. So that did not play in my favor either. My 2.7 GPA in my last semester of undergrad was also a huge red flag in my application (thankfully I wasn't asked about it). I also applied late. Like really really late. I got my secondaries into school in November (and I only applied to 6 schools all in state). I applied after taking a gap year, so I am not right out of undergrad.
      I truly think the main reason I was given 2 interviews (one MD and DO) was because of the way I wrote about my extracurriculars in my application. I wrote each explanation with a small summary of what it was, what I learned from it, and how that will make me a better physician in the future or better student/leader/teammate in medical school. Also the two schools I received interviews from I actually toured at! I highly, highly recommend it.
      My interview for the DO school was just ok (I didn't prepare as well as I should have- and subsequently did not receive an acceptance ) but I absolutely killed my MD interview. There was around 40-50 other applicants who were invited on my interview date (and only 1of us would be receiving an acceptance - yes it really is that competitive. 1.3 % acceptance rate at my school and that is fairly normal for most medical schools), and I could tell that I was going to be that one. I don't know what it was that day, but I went in, tried to have fun, make friends, and tried to be as genuine as possible. Please take this advice. Do not go in with a formal attitude, do not be rude to other students, do not come off as opportunistic or ambitious, do not try and sound sophisticated with manicured language and do not be late! Just be yourself and be nice to everyone. Help someone if they seem lost, give encouragement to a peer if they look nervous, make friends, actually eat the lunch they give you, talk to the staff and the Year 2s that are present, just be a force of positivity and make it seem like you already fit in. (And of course, please prepare well to answer the types of questions they will ask you. I suggest writing down key pointers and going over them in the car as you have a family member/friend drive you there.)
      GPA and MCAT are not it. I think schools are really trying to approach you in a holistic manner and want to see genuiniety above everything else.

    • @ege8240
      @ege8240 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@emperormouse5487 do ec matter in america? why??

    • @micahgoldson1253
      @micahgoldson1253 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ege8240Absolutely. Medical schools want to make sure their students are well-rounded, that they contribute actively to the community, that they have hobbies and social connections, and that their life does not revolve around being a student.

  • @matthewlee4834
    @matthewlee4834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I'm shocked she didn't get any interviews. She seems like a very competent and personable applicant

    • @austincoppinger2653
      @austincoppinger2653 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Pause the video and read what she wrote. I'm not trying to diss her and I wish her an acceptance. However, any time an applicant starts the essay in medias res with a dramatic ICU or ER story, her chance of getting an interview decreases. It just makes the reader's eyes roll.

    • @matthewlee4834
      @matthewlee4834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@austincoppinger2653 starting off a personal statement in medias res may not be the most original thing ever, but it's still a good way to tell some kind of story to the admissions officers. I don't know, I'm not an admissions expert, but it's really hard for me to imagine that writing an in medias res PS is really detrimental to an applicant (as long as the PS is actually good). And honestly, maybe I'm just not a great reader, but I thought her personal statement was overall pretty solid, with some weaknesses here and there.

    • @austincoppinger2653
      @austincoppinger2653 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@matthewlee4834 That isn't what I meant. I meant specifically starting it off in the middle of a dramatic story in which someone is dying or something like that. It is annoying and cringey to read a personal statement that starts like "My heart was racing as I watched the blood drip to floor as my grandmother gasped for air," and like you mentioned, a cliché.

    • @matthewlee4834
      @matthewlee4834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@austincoppinger2653 Ah I see. Yes, I do agree that those kinds of dramatic stories are kinda overdone by a lot of applicants. I still don't think it's a terrible choice to take with the PS, just a bit generic and cliche. Thank you for clarifying though

    • @matthewlee4834
      @matthewlee4834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @C B she also applied to Canadian schools, bud

  • @ugokalu5953
    @ugokalu5953 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Wow 😭 thank you so much for the insight. I always thought that standing out is the best thing but it’s just being yourself.

  • @fifi8314
    @fifi8314 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Thank you for these application renovations Dr. Gray! Applying in ~2 years but I want you to tear my application apart first haha. Jokes aside, these are really beneficial.

  • @Russianboyz95
    @Russianboyz95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Looks like she only applied to 8 schools...and 2 of those are NW and Uchicago...yeah that ain't gonna fly. Unless you have an amazing story or have insanely high stats you should be applying to at least 20 schools IMO.

    • @shoeyxc
      @shoeyxc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You didn't watch the video. She also applied to Canadian schools.

    • @Russianboyz95
      @Russianboyz95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@shoeyxc Right...which are even more competitive than their US counterparts.

    • @adaezenjoku7527
      @adaezenjoku7527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      had she applied to some less competitive schools she definitely would’ve gotten in

  • @dominionbeats
    @dominionbeats 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I’m glad you shut down her self degradation! Her states are definitely competitive and she should not doubt that!

  • @flamebows5814
    @flamebows5814 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Dr Grey doesn't give you the cookie cutter bullshit - I love it

  • @ansonw2953
    @ansonw2953 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    As a med student, I would say that Dr. Gray does a fairly decent job breaking apart these apps. I think that the only part underemphasized--and this is probably because he doesn't have access to these--are the letter of recs. Arguably, besides the GPA, MCAT, PS, and interview, these are one of the one of the most important parts of the app. And of course, most ppl don't realize that letters are weighted differently based on the quality of the letter and who writes it (e.g. a small-town doc vs. the chair of a renowned department).

    • @tybera1114
      @tybera1114 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This person didn't get any interviews.

    • @abrahamkim2304
      @abrahamkim2304 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have you seen Dr. Gray’s MAPPD podcast? Bc he’s partners with the former director of admissions for the Texas system. It’s not that he doesn’t have access to the admissions process, it’s that he doesn’t think it’s as important as the other stuff he talks about.

    • @ansonw2953
      @ansonw2953 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@abrahamkim2304 I don't necessarily agree; maybe AMCAS is a little bit different than TMDSAS. When I interviewed, I remember there were a couple times when my interviewer brought up my letter writers. I also have family and friends in the adcom and I've been told that if the adcom recognizes the letter writer, they're more likely to offer interviews/acceptances.

    • @abrahamkim2304
      @abrahamkim2304 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ansonw2953 That's interesting. I think I'd agree from my experience too that if the letter writer is recognizable, that could definitely help. I'd be curious as to what Dr. Gray has to say. That being said I personally think the other stuff (GPA, MCAT, EC) is typically more important unless there's a big deal (positive or negative) in the rec letters.

  • @shleekers
    @shleekers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Incredibly misleading telling her a 514 is competitive to Pritzker and Feinburg... she's well below the 10th percentile for MCAT scores there

    • @js3098
      @js3098 ปีที่แล้ว

      If she is a good mission fit, has a connection to the school, or meets an institutional priority, she should apply.

    • @marleybartholomew180
      @marleybartholomew180 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      fr, a 514 is AMAZING, but their medians are in the 99th percentile, a 514 is objectively low for them lol

  • @Maureen-MO
    @Maureen-MO 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was great. Thanks a lot Dr. Gray. These videos keep reminding me that my story matters and has more power to promoting me than I think.

  • @sophiepellerin5517
    @sophiepellerin5517 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    She justifies applying to few schools by saying she also applied in Ontario but I don't think her stats are not that exceptional for Canadian schools so that doesn't really increase her chances of getting somewhere by that much.

    • @rosegold.sunset4749
      @rosegold.sunset4749 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Her stats are low for Canadian schools... 3.9+ is recommended lol

    • @rosegold.sunset4749
      @rosegold.sunset4749 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Esp in Ontario... I thought her Canadian list was going to be shared as well. The other provinces have slightly lower GPAs

  • @ElloBoppit
    @ElloBoppit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    0:40 am I the only one who heard a fart noise?

  • @kylelogan3923
    @kylelogan3923 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    494 MCAT and 2 interviews

  • @krishnancom
    @krishnancom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Every critique in this channel is about criticizing the essays but doesn’t provide examples of how to reword the lines. Not very insightful.

    • @MedicalSchoolHQ
      @MedicalSchoolHQ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have many resources on how to write the Personal Statement and other essays- often it's much more than just "rewording" things.

    • @krishnancom
      @krishnancom 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MedicalSchoolHQ Thanks for the response. I understand it is difficult to convey in short video snippets.

  • @claireworld_
    @claireworld_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    To me personally I have my most meaningful experience when I was tutoring a person. Even though it does not relate directly to medical school , for me it relates to having empathy and helping people. Would it be okay to put it as most meaningful experience or would that put me back?

    • @HeavenlySunset24
      @HeavenlySunset24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The application isnt supposed to be all about experiences, its supposed to be about your personality. Hobbies you do, art, music, they want to know who you are as a person not a list of tasks you got done. You can add a couple experiences but try to describe what type of person you are. There's a separate section already on the application where you can list up to 15 experiences and research you did. I suggest watching youtube videos where people read their application that helped them get into med school.

  • @garrettludescher9588
    @garrettludescher9588 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just be yourself right

  • @fairytayls1377
    @fairytayls1377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "With a 3.8 and 514 you're competitive at every school in the country"... would the same thing apply for a 3.71 (3.68 BCPM) and 519??? I really want to apply to every NYC school, including ones like NYU, Cornell, and Columbia--- but not feel like a joke lol.

    • @levibeam100
      @levibeam100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Who cares if you look like a joke to them. You either get in, or you don’t. You want to try to go to columbia? Apply there. The worst thing that happens is they say no.

    • @levibeam100
      @levibeam100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @C B I definitely agree. I should’ve added you should still apply to more schools. But my point still stands. If your dream school is to get into Cornell, their acceptance rate might be 3%(i don’t know what it is, but just an example), but if you don’t turn in an application it’s 0%. For sure though, if applying to high schools like that, you absolutely need to have other options

    • @austin7843
      @austin7843 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cornell is quite a journey from NYC.

    • @fairytayls1377
      @fairytayls1377 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@austin7843 oddly enough the medical school is New York City even though the university is all the way in Ithaca !

  • @renny9538
    @renny9538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How much hours can you or should you extract from clinical experience to count as shadowing?

  • @FueledByMuzik
    @FueledByMuzik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How many most meaningful experiences can you have?

    • @evelynwu9579
      @evelynwu9579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      3 i think

    • @FueledByMuzik
      @FueledByMuzik 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@evelynwu9579 So is it best to use all 3?

    • @evelynwu9579
      @evelynwu9579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, admissions will pay more attention to those

    • @marcoghilotti9087
      @marcoghilotti9087 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it might be 2!

    • @stellasdoesstuff
      @stellasdoesstuff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@marcoghilotti9087 it's 3

  • @JamesJoyce12
    @JamesJoyce12 ปีที่แล้ว

    to those of you who don't know it is about twice as hard to get into a Canadian med School

  • @Kaleido876
    @Kaleido876 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Im 14 planning to be a med student- so I don't really have much say, but I think that her paragraphs were also a little? Hard to read? I feel like she made a lot of errors.

    • @stellasdoesstuff
      @stellasdoesstuff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You have a limited character count, so you don't have much choice but to write short paragraphs if you want to fit everything you need to say in

  • @dragonninja872
    @dragonninja872 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what is this, what is your story supposed to be

  • @hesamb9135
    @hesamb9135 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Well about 42 percent of the ones applied actually got accepted. This tells me me that it's not as scary as they try to show it to us. These are all marketing strategies 😉

    • @nwindom1594
      @nwindom1594 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I don't think u understand that that statistic is actually pretty scary lol. Out of everyone who applied, every applicant applying to around 15-20 schools on average, only 42% got into at least one school. That's incredibly low

    • @js3098
      @js3098 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is an incredibly difficult process!

    • @JimMilton-gp9op
      @JimMilton-gp9op ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nwindom1594 42% is near half, which for something as prestigious as med school, is somewhat hopeful. Most med students really don’t care where they get in, they just want an admission so even one school acceptance is amazing.

  • @vanhoot2234
    @vanhoot2234 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    my friend got in worth worse stats to UIC so saying her stats wasn't enough is simply not true

  • @jsn2587
    @jsn2587 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait wait wait, so I’m applying this cycle. Due to covid I’ll have less than 100 clinical hours for my hospice volunteering, but if I project it out I can add more??? Is that what he means??? Because I do plan to continue hospice until when I matriculate because patient activities just reopened.

    • @gnat14784
      @gnat14784 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yes you project hours until matriculation ! fellow hospice volunteer here hehe

  • @HeavenlySunset24
    @HeavenlySunset24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These people clearly do no research before writing. Every single youtube video says not to try to stand out, youd think they would research this stuff before writing it since its so important.

  • @marcusfuller7637
    @marcusfuller7637 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The flimsy algeria biochemically work because dryer concordingly x-ray in a vacuous paint. puffy, lazy patch

  • @MrIeatwabbits
    @MrIeatwabbits 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    These have been super helpful for my current cycle, thank you!