@rolfathan yeah. I had about 12 of these type of models from a business and none of them had the graphics port connector on the board, you could see where it would go, and I couldn't find any ports to salvage to see if it was possible to even solder the port to see if it was possible to just add, or if it was also bios/firmware locked.
I would highly recommend getting the lid with the holes in it from the 65 watt unit, or drilling ventilation holes. Your GPU is thermal throttling. The GPU itself consumes around 40 Watts + 35 Watts for the CPU == A TON of heat. Additionally there is a VGA BIOS mod that exists for the GPU that allows you to push the power levels up a little bit, and unlock extra performance.
yea i was going to recommend that there are lids with perforations in them already for those models. Use them in our office. i HATE when i see people cover them up. IT problems lol
I just want to say THANK YOU! I already own the exact model and have done light research to try to figure out what kind, if any, of external GPU I could use. All of them seem to be an arm and a leg. So, this seems like it will be a worthwhile shot for what I'm looking for. I have no intention of playing games, but I do some rather intensive projects in Illustrator and if you could game, it should be able to get closer to what I need. If nothing else, it could push back the time frame on me getting something newer, greater, more obvious in a laptop. I know I'm not your target audience and this was long to not be in that group, but this was incredibly helpful to me. Thanks for testing it and showing how to install!
Use a vented lid, it needs at minimum an intake for the fan and a way for the GPU exhaust to escape (the square metal duct). Also unplug the blue wire in the fan plug or your performance will be abysmal. I built and tested one last year.
For your use, you would be better off getting a quality NVME, faster dual channel 32gb ram and some good thermal paste. Should be good. You won't get much improvement from this graphics card that you would see. Sounds more like this isn't the system for you.
I bought the PC featured in this video and it has a new life as a dedicated Plex media server. I’ve also got a new ventilated lid for it in the mail. Little guy hopefully won’t break 65° ever again!
If you don't mind me asking, this is what I'm considering hunting one of these down for. How well does it support transcoding? 1080p? 4k? Subtitles? I would love to hear your experience with it as this might be the solution I've been looking for fitting well in a server rack.
@@novamaster0 I’d honestly go for something with an 8th gen intel CPU or later. Plex doesn’t natively support hardware transcoding on AMD. I can only get 2 4K transcodes going at once before I bog down the system.
I got two intel versions of this for... $15. The business that bought them thought they were broken. They were using the wrong power supply. I might go ahead and pick up these GPUs and power supplies to make them both a bit more usable. Thanks.
Don't forget to use a vented lid, and if the fan doesn't automatically ramp up unplug the blue wire to see the actual performance without the thermal throttling.
There are versions of that HP micro PC with 2400G instead of 2400GE CPUs. I think the 2400G runs 65 watts. The 2400GE are 35 watts. The 2400G models come with the perforated lid. If you look at the GPU cooler you can see that it expects to pull air through the perforated lid of the 65 watt model.
Gotta say, my Lenovo think centre (tiny pc) with i7 9700(not t) and rx 6400, 1tb nvme, 32gb ddr4 sodim and two 2 inch holes cut over the GPU and CPU kicks ass with the AMDs new fluid frame motions 2 (beta) is amazing.
FYI for anyone interested in this concept. I have an HP Slimline 290 that I upgraded in a similar fashion. CPU upgraded from a Celeron to an i5-9500 and the gpu to a Gigabyte RTX 3050 OC Low Profile 6GB. I had to "trim/shorten" the 4 prong CPU power plug on the cable side to fit the card flush with the pcie slot. My first card (an Asrock Arc A380 low profile) was shorter and didn't hang over that plug in the motherboard, so it fit just fine.
05:15 - "... It's better than a traditional office pc." 07:55 - "... upgrading, like, an old office pc with a budget GPU would be a FAR better solution."
They didn't unplug the blue fan wire, so the fan never sped up, they were thermal throttled the whole time. Needs a re-visit. (Source: I built one last year). Also they didn't have the vented lid, so completely stifled the inlet and outlet of the GPU heatsink.
I sent the toasty bros an email. This thing was throttled to 1/4 or worse performance the whole time. I built one last year and unless you vent the lid and ramp the fan it dogs down to 300mhz on the GPU. Unplug the blue fan wire to get the fan speed up. If they set their display to show GPU Clock or Watts they would have seen what was really going on.
Another option if you are crafty enough. I have seen someone take one of these, use a PCIE riser/adapter and put an RX 6400 in it. You might be able to find one short enough to put some electrical tape on the back of the PCB and stuff down into the case. Cuts small slits on the top for some air and make sure the DisplayPort is accessible. Beefy little boy it would be.
@@saiyanwastaken7617 i can't imagine it would actually be all that bad, assuming it fits in the case... theyre both 4gb, the 560 is a pcie 3 x8 with a 128 bit bus, the 6400 is a pcie 4 x4 with a 64 bit bus, the theoretical max memory bandwidth of the 6400 is only about 12% higher edit: also add in the fact that during the gaming in the video, the 560 was in the 90 to 100% usage range almost the whole time, and for the most part the 2400g was between 40 and 70%, with a few blips higher
@@unholysaint1987 they closed off all the GPU airflow, both inlet and outlet with the lid. And if you don't unplug the blue wire the fan doesn't speed up. You need to check the clocks to see if it is throttled from the heat. Source: I built one last year.
How would that work? I have a few of these and id like to know which pcie raiser can be used here without making it external. Take a 3050 low profile gpu for example.
For anyone considering this, I STONGLY recommend you look at one of the mini PCs with the Ryzen 6800H or 6900HX. While these are mobile CPUs, they run laps around the G series 2000 chips. The 2000G series had weaker CPU power than 1st gen Ryzen, and its iGPU is weaker than any mobile Ryzen 5 from the 4000 series onward. You can find the mini PCs on sale for around 350 if you wait - and you can get one of the 5000 series pcs for even less, but in modern games it will only be slightly better than this 2400G.
11th gen intel CPUs with Iris Xe graphics are also more powerful than you would expect, they aren't great but they can hold their own against this older stuff and if you're buying ex-corporate mini PCs there's a lot more intel ones out there than AMD so it's easier to pick up a bargain
That's pretty awesome! I'm very tempted to give this a shot, but that thing is begging for some ventilation! You can see that silver vane near the back directing the air upward, but the lid covers it up. Drill some ventilation holes there and that will surely help a ton! I'd be interested to see what that looks like through a thermal camera before and after, and how the GPU performs if/when you can keep it cooler.
It's even worse if the Stock BIOS doesn't speed up the GPU fan. I had to unplug the blue wire on my fan plug to make it game properly when I built one of these last year.
Thank you very much for building and testing this! I had seen a few others discuss this mini-with-a-gpu, but your games testing is more detailed. I appreciate the conclusion that the system makes a better emulator than it does a modern gamer; but still a fun project.
If your case is not meant for to have that card in it it will throttle terribly. The case intended for that card has vent holes populating the entire top of the case. Couldn’t tell if you had that or not. There is another creator who had the non vented case and took a drill and made holes to emulate the intended enclosure. Worked a treat!
That's awesome. I bought this exact thing and put in the GPU in. It's fine for Minecraft, even acceptable at 4k. I did have to buy the hundred-and-something-watt PSU for it -- with the original PSU connected, it literally wouldn't even post with the GPU in!
Love old office equipment builds. Can generally pick up whole towers on Facebook for $50-100. A lot of people mentioned thermal throttling. Would be interesting, just to see the numbers, run a gaming session with the lid off and see if it smooths out.
I have a small 3d print farm. I use Fusion 360 to design parts and slice files. I think this could probably do well, don't you think? I'd love to hear what you think of it for that use. I really don't make a lot of money yet, so I'm having to spend VERY carefully. Thanks. Love the channel!
They didn't use a vented lid, or speed the fan up. I've built one myself and if you don't unplug the blue wire it is massively throttled. It should be about 4x more powerful than they show.
You should look at purchasing the lenovo m720q, m920q or p330. They have a pcie slot. I put a lp T1000 in mine. You can put a rx 6400 as well. Cpu wise u can upgrade it to a i9 9900T.
The fact that this tiny form factor PC has a dedicated GPU option is pretty incredible! I think this would be great for games from around 2015 and earlier, as well as older console emulation. This kind of reminds me of the Alienware Alpha Steam Machine, which looks cooler and probably runs games better than this tiny PC. In any case, I enjoyed watching this video and would consider getting one of these PCs down the road when it's even cheaper. Thank you!
Im going to run KODI custom builds with it. I also need a mini to run GameCube. I’m buying this setup. I dig it!!! Ryzen & intel 5 don’t run GameCube without downscaling
The use case? Emulation, more specifically... in an arcade cabinet, your choice of an emulation frontend on windows or linux the question is how far can it go or will you take it? Mame or yuzu
I sort of did this with a Lenovo M720q, it is going to be inside an arcade cabinet, so looks don't matter. this unit has a PciE 16x but it is proprietary, so i had to get the Lenovo pice adapter then Use a PCIE L bracket so i can vertically install a GTX 1050ti which is almost bigger than the pc itself! Works AWESOME! I had to use the 1050ti because it does not require 6/8 pin supplemental power, and i just so happened to have a 150w Power brick rather than the (i think) 45w that the little system came with! final spec: 16gb ddr4 2666, 8th gen6 core Intel i5, 512 NVME, and the Asus 1050ti works incredibly well for Batocera! and Coin Ops!
There are rare 1050Ti that are low profile and just fit in the standard Lenovo slot. But there are also 1650 GPUs that are a better bet. I guess add up the cost of the adapter vs the low profile card.
Great idea for an emulation machine. Ive got the same PC that I use as my emulation rig that fits into a bartop arcade machine I made...its sluggish on certain games when upscaled...this gpu sounds like just what the Doctor ordered to fix that issue! Thanks my fellow Louisville bros!!!
Unplug the blue fan wire and put a vent where the metal duct lets the heat out of the GPU. And an inlet vent for the fan. The HP models that come with the GPU have a totally vented lid. What you saw in this video is a completely throttled performance. I built one and unless you get the fan speed up it is only going to go around 300mhz on the GPU. The blue wire unplugged will make the fan go 100%. Ideally you'd want some kind of fan controller with pwm.
I have that combo and the gpu is perfect for WiiU at 1080p, I haven't tried Switch yet but I bet it can handle it, those games tested could run better is it had a better cpu I think.
You missed a trick, you were thermal throttled the whole time. The 560 is way faster than the integrated GPU. You needed to unplug the blue wire from the fan connector to get full speed on the fan, and of course a vented lid. Bare minimum use a hole saw for the fan intake and another for the outlet from the heatsink. Or just run it with the lid off. I ran mine on HoloISO (SteamDeck OS), it is faster than a steamdeck if you mod the fan speed.
How do you unplug the blue wire? Do you cut it? Which end would be the easiest? Near the socket or the black tape? Also, after watching this video for a second time, I think it just hit me that they had to replace the SSD that it came with. Did you do that also? Sorry for what is most likely rather basic questions, but outside of just recently replacing the fan on my 705, the most I've ever done to a computer is replace RAM. So, I'm wondering if I could just leave the lid off, connect the GPU and use some foam to sit it above the cage they took out. Clearly, I'd have ventilation, but I also wouldn't have to figure out how to switch everything, including the OS over to a new drive. Am I offbase about this possibility? And, thank you in advance, if you even think about answering all of this. 👍
@@PeggyIverson I use an M.2 Drive and CloneZilla tool to copy the whole drive over to the new one. Leaving the lid off is good for cooling, and putting the original 2.5" drive away from the hot GPU would be wise. Maybe it could fit over the CPU plastic shroud?
Other SFF include the Lenovo Tiny which accepts regular PCIe cards that are ''low profile'. Or something like a 'Zillion H610' ITX motherboard that slots the card in from the side
I know it's not my place, but I would love to see how this pc performs in a game called 7 Days To Die. They have a lot of graphics settings you can alter, but I honestly think this pc could run it for someone who can't afford a high end pc for this game.
Thoughts on using this as a portable streaming machine? I use USB C, iVcam, and a Google Pixel 6 pro with an old laptop with integrated graphics. Streamlabs usually gets capped around 720-1080p streaming at only 30 fps.
Yeah as others have mentioned while this worked this is the wrong combo. You need the 65W variety which has a different lid and more CPU power. We have a few of these in the office. They aren't horrible and definitely perform better than yours did. I am not so hard up for office space I have been doing this with the SFF units which is a bit more budget friendly and you have more card options.
Toasty Bros are the only people i know that could build either a working potato or a £5,000 PC........ And they'd still show/play test Halo Fortnite Apex CoD Because hey, that's all us PC players play
I'm glad I did this upgrade bfore the Toasty Bros made these more expensive :D I added a 2TB NVME and use it as a living room box to mainly watch Kodi/PLEX but occasionally game with Launchbox/Bigbox.
I have a elitedesk 800 g3 mini! I used it for playing and dosen't get a lot of fps and it over heats a lot i played war thunder and i made the grapics ultra low and give an average fps of 45 and the storage is 120 gb ssd and the cpu is intel 6500T the grapics is the intel 530.
I feel like you guys are the best people to ask but you should do a fully pimped out raspberry pi 5 with 4 nvme slot attachment rgb nvme drives mini rgb fans and there's even water cooling for the pi. A go big or go home pi 5 I mean aye could just be me but you guys are the peeps for it also love your videos TOO DIE FOR
A lot of the Lenovo Tiny series will let you use a LP card. A RX6400 paired with an 8th/9th gen I7 will run most FSR titles without issue @ 60 locked. with a Dremel you may even be able to get a A2000 to work..
If drill exhaust holes on the top where the GPU fan is would it cool it down? Or cut the section out and add a magnetic vent cover? It look as though the system is having issue due to thermals. Just curious. Also could you do a return visit to show emulation performance?
There is a vented lid from HP. Also the fan was not going full speed. You can unplug the blue fan wire and make it go full speed. A PWM fan controller would be better though.
These were super common in corporate office settings within the past few years. Since COVID they are being phased out in favor of AIOs and laptops, so there's probably a ton of them on the resell market right now. I just got rid of my old one that was issued to me. They came uniform with an I5 and 16 GB ddr4.
Like this.... Have a Dell Wyse 5070 extended with a AMD 6400lp. Was pleasantly surprised how well it can game on a J5005 at 10 tdp and only 45 watts for the gpu as its in pcie 2.0 x8. Like videos like this pushing thin clients and like low powered machines to the limits.
Even on one of the low profile HP desktops with a few PCIe slots (only one full sized) airflow can be a problem. With those, however, you can jury rig a small fan at the extra slots to improve things. A Noctua 40 mm fan was quiet and improved things quite a bit on one I built.
just do 720p 60 frames, it would likely be smooth as butter. Honestly stoked for this video as i have one and didnt know you could do that xD thanks guys you saved me some money :)
You need to mod the case to have cutouts for the gpu to breath.... the newer models of the mini pc came with a vented top cover with vent holes for both the cpu and gpu. I used a dremmel to cut out rectangles on both sides of the case and then used magnetic attached mesh to cover up my less than pretty cuts.
That CPU specifically has THERMAL PASTE under the IHS of the CPU. You can de-lid this Ryzen pro just by cutting the silicone adhesive and giving it a little heat. Replace the paste with anything you like (I used PTM) and put the IHS back on as a clearance spacer and paste as normal, and the temps will drop like a stone.
@@milescarter7803 I don't see how that's relevant. Inside this mini-pc is a normal Ryzen AM4 socketed processor, and on the top of the actual CPU chip is a metal shield with the make and model laser-etched onto it. This shield is called an Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS). On most CPU chips this is held on on the edges by a silicone adhesive, but also the CPU die itself is held to it with an indium based metal solder. On this particular Ryzen 5 Pro 5400GE, they went with regular thermal paste instead of the indium solder. This means that you don't have to melt any solder or use a precise delidding tool to remove the IHS, just cut the silicone adhesive. The choice for AMD to replace the solder with thermal paste is two sided, on one that's probably why we can get these so cheap, as the thermal paste dried and lost efficiency they got louder until they were too slow and loud to use in an office setting. The flip side is that on the secondary market can simply cut the lid off and replace the thermal paste ourselves and restore or enhance the thermals and performance by replacing the paste, especially if it's something better. While normally it would be most advantageous to cool the die directly, you need the CPU lid to make contact with the heatsink so you will need to paste both sides of the IHS so the chip can stay cool. TL;DR cut the silicone adhesive on your Ryzen 5 Pro 5400GE for a thermal paste-y surprise.
Assuming it ran on windows, how does the gaming performance compare when using "lossless scaling"? Maybe test it with and without the frame generation.
I would revisit this option with some cooling options and see if you can up the performance. I put everything I have on a sort of laptop cooler. In this case, I would remove the case entirely!!
I think this thing would work best as a classic console emulator, and home theatre pc. Have windows on your tv with all the functionality that would entail. Much faster web browsing than on a regular smart tv as well.
Maybe 4~5 months ago I replaced over 200 of our office tower PC's with these as our current PC's couldnt upgrade to 11! lol (These can be bastards to turn on if they go off having to push the power button 2or3 times!) However, interesting to note that there are revisions that have ventilation across the top that may help with airflow!
The hp 800 g1 usdt has an mxm slot with a slew of gpus you can slot. Downside it’s a haswell system. Think imma swap mine out for this for my home server!
This was thermal throttled the whole time, to like 300mhz. Needed a vented lid and the fan doesn't ramp on stock BIOS. Need to take lid off, unplug blue fan wire, and re-test.
Since you could get a used xbox one X or PS4 pro for around the same price or cheaper, I feel like those might be better value than this mini PC (though you ofc couldn't use them for everyday computer tasks)
Curious why you guys didn't use a heatsink or a thermal pad/paste on the ssd? I gather that would have improved the temps. even if it is just a few degrees, it might have made a difference in the studdering you were getting.🤔
It was thermal throttled because lid was not vented and stock the fan won't speed up. I pulled the blue wire out of the fan plug and got much better performance. Like 3x better.
should have the mesh case for this and max out the memory. Plus should at least max out your storage as well. I'm using a 800G4 with 32gigs of pc3000 memory 256m.2 windows drive and a 2 tb 2.5 hard drive. integrated intel graphics ain't good but works as far as a media center and internet browser its great.
I have and have had these 1 liter PC's and I bet that fan roars about 100% of the time with that card installed when you put the least amount of load on it.
The fan will go faster if you unplug the blue wire. The stock BIOS doesn't actually ramp the GPU fan. They should have had TDP and GPU clocks up to verify it was running properly. It was thermal throttled the whole video.
I've bought two of these GPUs and work very well with that same 705 G4. Although it overheats like hell and in some cases the RX560 shuts down and gets dissabled by Device Administrator. Im not sure if its a bug from Microsoft's GPU drivers update or what. Other than that, this GPU works flawlessly with batocera and Emulates every console that exists, even the latest Nintendo ones "wink, wink" SPECIAL NOTE: the 705 G4 with the 2400G works flawless with every platform on Batocera without the RX560. The card will give you an extra boost on more demanding games like PS3
Unplug the blue fan wire, the fan will run full speed. The stock BIOS does not ramp the GPU fan at all. I also hope you have the vented lid. The GPU has both intake and exhaust through the lid.
It overheats badly, the graphics card doesn't support a good gaming experience, overall. It does exactly what it did before we upgraded it and not much more.
I'm interested in playing EA Sports FC games - 24 and 25. I watched a gameplay from someone with the same specs as the mini PC for him and it ran well for him on high settings (regular PC). Do you think I would get the same performance using this mini PC?
Just for comparison I own 2 non-gaming office laptops that I picked up for around £100 each that can match those timespy scores. One is a dell latitude 3420 I upgraded to have dual channel RAM and that just uses intel integrated graphics. The other is a Dell latitude 5400 with a GeForce MX150 gpu. Both required messing about with throttlestop to unlock their full potential but I hope that gives people some other options for light gaming in a small form factor. Intel Iris Xe graphics can really hold their own against these older graphics cards.
They plugged the GPU inlet and outlet with the non vented panel. And the fan doesn't ramp on these stock, I had to unplug the blue wire and it was 2-3x faster.
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It needs undervolting the gpu is throttling hard
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Would this be enough to get great ps3 and xbox 360 emulation?
Be AWARE - Not all Mini PC's have the Graphics card port soldered onto the board. Which means you can't just buy this for ANY 800g5
Nah... It's all good.
@@montreauxs lol.. what does that mean
I'll check mine, thank you. I have the intel version of this same computer, we'll see if it has the port.
@rolfathan yeah. I had about 12 of these type of models from a business and none of them had the graphics port connector on the board, you could see where it would go, and I couldn't find any ports to salvage to see if it was possible to even solder the port to see if it was possible to just add, or if it was also bios/firmware locked.
@@vipast6262It means exactly as you read. It's all good 🤙
I would highly recommend getting the lid with the holes in it from the 65 watt unit, or drilling ventilation holes. Your GPU is thermal throttling. The GPU itself consumes around 40 Watts + 35 Watts for the CPU == A TON of heat. Additionally there is a VGA BIOS mod that exists for the GPU that allows you to push the power levels up a little bit, and unlock extra performance.
yea i was going to recommend that there are lids with perforations in them already for those models. Use them in our office. i HATE when i see people cover them up. IT problems lol
What's that VGA bios mode?
Funny to think that 40W for a GPU is a ton of heat, when my RTX 3080 pulls 350+ watts during gaming.
Where can I find this mod?
yeah i really want to see them try those mods
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I just want to say THANK YOU!
I already own the exact model and have done light research to try to figure out what kind, if any, of external GPU I could use. All of them seem to be an arm and a leg.
So, this seems like it will be a worthwhile shot for what I'm looking for.
I have no intention of playing games, but I do some rather intensive projects in Illustrator and if you could game, it should be able to get closer to what I need.
If nothing else, it could push back the time frame on me getting something newer, greater, more obvious in a laptop.
I know I'm not your target audience and this was long to not be in that group, but this was incredibly helpful to me.
Thanks for testing it and showing how to install!
Use a vented lid, it needs at minimum an intake for the fan and a way for the GPU exhaust to escape (the square metal duct). Also unplug the blue wire in the fan plug or your performance will be abysmal. I built and tested one last year.
For your use, you would be better off getting a quality NVME, faster dual channel 32gb ram and some good thermal paste. Should be good. You won't get much improvement from this graphics card that you would see. Sounds more like this isn't the system for you.
At 4:30, it has the all important "Callout Text" feature. That's important for a gaming PC! :)
I use this PC as a personal GameServer for Rust & Minecraft, and it works absolutely perfect 👌
Thats also what I was thinking of using.
4:28 "Callout Text", hehe
I was wondering what those ports were for... Now, I'm even more confused. 🤣
Callout Text support is very important in a mini pc build.
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@@ToastyBrosit’s ok we all make mistakes
The Editor was caught lacking. 😂
in the fortnite pre launch settings, enable pre-download streamed assets. it pre-downloads skin models instead of downloading them during a game
I bought the PC featured in this video and it has a new life as a dedicated Plex media server. I’ve also got a new ventilated lid for it in the mail. Little guy hopefully won’t break 65° ever again!
If you don't mind me asking, this is what I'm considering hunting one of these down for. How well does it support transcoding? 1080p? 4k? Subtitles?
I would love to hear your experience with it as this might be the solution I've been looking for fitting well in a server rack.
@@novamaster0 I’d honestly go for something with an 8th gen intel CPU or later. Plex doesn’t natively support hardware transcoding on AMD. I can only get 2 4K transcodes going at once before I bog down the system.
I got two intel versions of this for... $15. The business that bought them thought they were broken. They were using the wrong power supply. I might go ahead and pick up these GPUs and power supplies to make them both a bit more usable. Thanks.
Don't forget to use a vented lid, and if the fan doesn't automatically ramp up unplug the blue wire to see the actual performance without the thermal throttling.
There are versions of that HP micro PC with 2400G instead of 2400GE CPUs. I think the 2400G runs 65 watts. The 2400GE are 35 watts. The 2400G models come with the perforated lid. If you look at the GPU cooler you can see that it expects to pull air through the perforated lid of the 65 watt model.
Almost done getting parts for my first pc
Still need the gpu and monitor. I am so excited
Nice, what parts are you planning on getting?
@@sj7178 the 6650xt and a Sceptere Monitor 24in 165hz 1080p
I got my first pc
Ryzen 5 5600g
8gb ram
250gb m.2 SSD
500gb laptop hdd
450w psu
@@mcatoz3438 Nice!
@@sj7178 I have a Xeon 2680v4, 32gb of ram, and I am going to get a 6650xt
Gotta say, my Lenovo think centre (tiny pc) with i7 9700(not t) and rx 6400, 1tb nvme, 32gb ddr4 sodim and two 2 inch holes cut over the GPU and CPU kicks ass with the AMDs new fluid frame motions 2 (beta) is amazing.
🤫 don't tell them about the tinies, the price on those will go kaboom after the video
@@diman7963 STH already made them popular during the 2019 break and Raspi Shortage
FYI for anyone interested in this concept.
I have an HP Slimline 290 that I upgraded in a similar fashion.
CPU upgraded from a Celeron to an i5-9500 and the gpu to a Gigabyte RTX 3050 OC Low Profile 6GB. I had to "trim/shorten" the 4 prong CPU power plug on the cable side to fit the card flush with the pcie slot. My first card (an Asrock Arc A380 low profile) was shorter and didn't hang over that plug in the motherboard, so it fit just fine.
I'm curious about your mini pc. Sounds beefy in a small package.
05:15 - "... It's better than a traditional office pc."
07:55 - "... upgrading, like, an old office pc with a budget GPU would be a FAR better solution."
They didn't unplug the blue fan wire, so the fan never sped up, they were thermal throttled the whole time. Needs a re-visit. (Source: I built one last year). Also they didn't have the vented lid, so completely stifled the inlet and outlet of the GPU heatsink.
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@@milescarter7803 it's like they weren't even trying.
I sent the toasty bros an email. This thing was throttled to 1/4 or worse performance the whole time. I built one last year and unless you vent the lid and ramp the fan it dogs down to 300mhz on the GPU. Unplug the blue fan wire to get the fan speed up. If they set their display to show GPU Clock or Watts they would have seen what was really going on.
Another option if you are crafty enough. I have seen someone take one of these, use a PCIE riser/adapter and put an RX 6400 in it. You might be able to find one short enough to put some electrical tape on the back of the PCB and stuff down into the case. Cuts small slits on the top for some air and make sure the DisplayPort is accessible. Beefy little boy it would be.
the cpu would bottleneck that gpu
It would almost be the same performance
@@saiyanwastaken7617 i can't imagine it would actually be all that bad, assuming it fits in the case... theyre both 4gb, the 560 is a pcie 3 x8 with a 128 bit bus, the 6400 is a pcie 4 x4 with a 64 bit bus, the theoretical max memory bandwidth of the 6400 is only about 12% higher
edit: also add in the fact that during the gaming in the video, the 560 was in the 90 to 100% usage range almost the whole time, and for the most part the 2400g was between 40 and 70%, with a few blips higher
@@unholysaint1987 they closed off all the GPU airflow, both inlet and outlet with the lid. And if you don't unplug the blue wire the fan doesn't speed up. You need to check the clocks to see if it is throttled from the heat. Source: I built one last year.
How would that work? I have a few of these and id like to know which pcie raiser can be used here without making it external. Take a 3050 low profile gpu for example.
For anyone considering this, I STONGLY recommend you look at one of the mini PCs with the Ryzen 6800H or 6900HX. While these are mobile CPUs, they run laps around the G series 2000 chips. The 2000G series had weaker CPU power than 1st gen Ryzen, and its iGPU is weaker than any mobile Ryzen 5 from the 4000 series onward. You can find the mini PCs on sale for around 350 if you wait - and you can get one of the 5000 series pcs for even less, but in modern games it will only be slightly better than this 2400G.
11th gen intel CPUs with Iris Xe graphics are also more powerful than you would expect, they aren't great but they can hold their own against this older stuff and if you're buying ex-corporate mini PCs there's a lot more intel ones out there than AMD so it's easier to pick up a bargain
Better yet get the one with the mobile RX6600 graphics chip.
These mini pc's with 680M graphics are nowhere to be found on the aftermarket. Vega 7/8 is the only thing available.
@@sheesh7719 lol
whats about the asus PN53-BBR575HD ??
Wow! I have one of these laying around. Going to upgrade it for my 5-year-old’s first pc. Thanks!
Thanks for putting the links to products in. So many videos always forget that.
That's pretty awesome! I'm very tempted to give this a shot, but that thing is begging for some ventilation! You can see that silver vane near the back directing the air upward, but the lid covers it up. Drill some ventilation holes there and that will surely help a ton! I'd be interested to see what that looks like through a thermal camera before and after, and how the GPU performs if/when you can keep it cooler.
It's even worse if the Stock BIOS doesn't speed up the GPU fan. I had to unplug the blue wire on my fan plug to make it game properly when I built one of these last year.
definitely speed holes and put a rx 560d bios on it to make less heat
Thank you very much for building and testing this! I had seen a few others discuss this mini-with-a-gpu, but your games testing is more detailed. I appreciate the conclusion that the system makes a better emulator than it does a modern gamer; but still a fun project.
If your case is not meant for to have that card in it it will throttle terribly. The case intended for that card has vent holes populating the entire top of the case. Couldn’t tell if you had that or not. There is another creator who had the non vented case and took a drill and made holes to emulate the intended enclosure. Worked a treat!
That's awesome. I bought this exact thing and put in the GPU in. It's fine for Minecraft, even acceptable at 4k. I did have to buy the hundred-and-something-watt PSU for it -- with the original PSU connected, it literally wouldn't even post with the GPU in!
Love old office equipment builds. Can generally pick up whole towers on Facebook for $50-100.
A lot of people mentioned thermal throttling. Would be interesting, just to see the numbers, run a gaming session with the lid off and see if it smooths out.
I have a small 3d print farm. I use Fusion 360 to design parts and slice files. I think this could probably do well, don't you think? I'd love to hear what you think of it for that use. I really don't make a lot of money yet, so I'm having to spend VERY carefully. Thanks. Love the channel!
I like that the front I/O includes callout text, not enough computers have that.
you are definitely my go-to for understanding tricky topics! ️
They didn't use a vented lid, or speed the fan up. I've built one myself and if you don't unplug the blue wire it is massively throttled. It should be about 4x more powerful than they show.
You should look at purchasing the lenovo m720q, m920q or p330. They have a pcie slot. I put a lp T1000 in mine. You can put a rx 6400 as well. Cpu wise u can upgrade it to a i9 9900T.
The fact that this tiny form factor PC has a dedicated GPU option is pretty incredible! I think this would be great for games from around 2015 and earlier, as well as older console emulation. This kind of reminds me of the Alienware Alpha Steam Machine, which looks cooler and probably runs games better than this tiny PC. In any case, I enjoyed watching this video and would consider getting one of these PCs down the road when it's even cheaper. Thank you!
Im going to run KODI custom builds with it.
I also need a mini to run GameCube.
I’m buying this setup. I dig it!!!
Ryzen & intel 5 don’t run GameCube without downscaling
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You might be on to something
@@ToastyBros Can you unban me?
The use case? Emulation, more specifically... in an arcade cabinet, your choice of an emulation frontend on windows or linux the question is how far can it go or will you take it? Mame or yuzu
I sort of did this with a Lenovo M720q, it is going to be inside an arcade cabinet, so looks don't matter. this unit has a PciE 16x but it is proprietary, so i had to get the Lenovo pice adapter then Use a PCIE L bracket so i can vertically install a GTX 1050ti which is almost bigger than the pc itself! Works AWESOME! I had to use the 1050ti because it does not require 6/8 pin supplemental power, and i just so happened to have a 150w Power brick rather than the (i think) 45w that the little system came with! final spec: 16gb ddr4 2666, 8th gen6 core Intel i5, 512 NVME, and the Asus 1050ti works incredibly well for Batocera! and Coin Ops!
There are rare 1050Ti that are low profile and just fit in the standard Lenovo slot. But there are also 1650 GPUs that are a better bet. I guess add up the cost of the adapter vs the low profile card.
Thanks for shed some light for me 😂😂
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Great idea for an emulation machine. Ive got the same PC that I use as my emulation rig that fits into a bartop arcade machine I made...its sluggish on certain games when upscaled...this gpu sounds like just what the Doctor ordered to fix that issue! Thanks my fellow Louisville bros!!!
Unplug the blue fan wire and put a vent where the metal duct lets the heat out of the GPU. And an inlet vent for the fan. The HP models that come with the GPU have a totally vented lid. What you saw in this video is a completely throttled performance. I built one and unless you get the fan speed up it is only going to go around 300mhz on the GPU. The blue wire unplugged will make the fan go 100%. Ideally you'd want some kind of fan controller with pwm.
The parts are now $225. You can buy a dell I7 -3.6 ghz and a 8gig rx580 for less than $200.
thats great for Emulation. I'd still drill some vent holes in the case and add a fan with a 3d printed spacer/bracket.
I have that combo and the gpu is perfect for WiiU at 1080p, I haven't tried Switch yet but I bet it can handle it, those games tested could run better is it had a better cpu I think.
You missed a trick, you were thermal throttled the whole time. The 560 is way faster than the integrated GPU.
You needed to unplug the blue wire from the fan connector to get full speed on the fan, and of course a vented lid.
Bare minimum use a hole saw for the fan intake and another for the outlet from the heatsink. Or just run it with the lid off.
I ran mine on HoloISO (SteamDeck OS), it is faster than a steamdeck if you mod the fan speed.
How do you unplug the blue wire? Do you cut it? Which end would be the easiest? Near the socket or the black tape?
Also, after watching this video for a second time, I think it just hit me that they had to replace the SSD that it came with. Did you do that also?
Sorry for what is most likely rather basic questions, but outside of just recently replacing the fan on my 705, the most I've ever done to a computer is replace RAM.
So, I'm wondering if I could just leave the lid off, connect the GPU and use some foam to sit it above the cage they took out.
Clearly, I'd have ventilation, but I also wouldn't have to figure out how to switch everything, including the OS over to a new drive.
Am I offbase about this possibility?
And, thank you in advance, if you even think about answering all of this. 👍
Looks like my comments get auto deleted if I mention procurement of parts 🙄🤫🤐
@@PeggyIverson Blue wire can be pulled out of plug if you pry the plastic clip back a little. Then it can be put back if desired.
@@PeggyIverson I use an M.2 Drive and CloneZilla tool to copy the whole drive over to the new one. Leaving the lid off is good for cooling, and putting the original 2.5" drive away from the hot GPU would be wise. Maybe it could fit over the CPU plastic shroud?
Other SFF include the Lenovo Tiny which accepts regular PCIe cards that are ''low profile'. Or something like a 'Zillion H610' ITX motherboard that slots the card in from the side
My best deal on Jawa was 13 new X5570 CPUs for $30 shipped. Dude had an entire tray of them. Actually new too.
I know it's not my place, but I would love to see how this pc performs in a game called 7 Days To Die. They have a lot of graphics settings you can alter, but I honestly think this pc could run it for someone who can't afford a high end pc for this game.
Ram would be a issue 7 days uses so much ram like I normally tell ppl you want at least 24gb I have seen it pull as much as 30gb on Big hoard nights
Keep up the good work guys I cant wait to find the pc for me😁👌
Where are you looking to find a PC? 😂
Thoughts on using this as a portable streaming machine? I use USB C, iVcam, and a Google Pixel 6 pro with an old laptop with integrated graphics. Streamlabs usually gets capped around 720-1080p streaming at only 30 fps.
Yeah as others have mentioned while this worked this is the wrong combo. You need the 65W variety which has a different lid and more CPU power. We have a few of these in the office. They aren't horrible and definitely perform better than yours did. I am not so hard up for office space I have been doing this with the SFF units which is a bit more budget friendly and you have more card options.
Toasty Bros are the only people i know that could build either a working potato or a £5,000 PC........ And they'd still show/play test
Halo
Fortnite
Apex
CoD
Because hey, that's all us PC players play
Que genial video, muchas gracias por compartir sus conocimientos, muchos éxitos
I did something similar with a Lenovo Tiny, bonus points since it has a full blown pcie port. My boy is running an i9900k and RTX A2000.
Perfect for a retro gaming machine
I'm glad I did this upgrade bfore the Toasty Bros made these more expensive :D
I added a 2TB NVME and use it as a living room box to mainly watch Kodi/PLEX but occasionally game with Launchbox/Bigbox.
This is amazing for Emulation!!
I have a elitedesk 800 g3 mini! I used it for playing and dosen't get a lot of fps and it over heats a lot i played war thunder and i made the grapics ultra low and give an average fps of 45 and the storage is 120 gb ssd and the cpu is intel 6500T the grapics is the intel 530.
I feel like you guys are the best people to ask but you should do a fully pimped out raspberry pi 5 with 4 nvme slot attachment rgb nvme drives mini rgb fans and there's even water cooling for the pi. A go big or go home pi 5 I mean aye could just be me but you guys are the peeps for it also love your videos TOO DIE FOR
I would definitaley try to improve cooling .... at least some holes in the lid if not additional fan and repaste ofc
A lot of the Lenovo Tiny series will let you use a LP card. A RX6400 paired with an 8th/9th gen I7 will run most FSR titles without issue @ 60 locked. with a Dremel you may even be able to get a A2000 to work..
I have one of those. Serves as a secondary machine so no need to game but I did take the sata out and put 2 small usb fans in there.
To get better air flow , you chould try modding the top case, cut out vents for cool air intake around the gpu fan area
If drill exhaust holes on the top where the GPU fan is would it cool it down? Or cut the section out and add a magnetic vent cover? It look as though the system is having issue due to thermals. Just curious. Also could you do a return visit to show emulation performance?
There is a vented lid from HP. Also the fan was not going full speed. You can unplug the blue fan wire and make it go full speed. A PWM fan controller would be better though.
These were super common in corporate office settings within the past few years. Since COVID they are being phased out in favor of AIOs and laptops, so there's probably a ton of them on the resell market right now. I just got rid of my old one that was issued to me. They came uniform with an I5 and 16 GB ddr4.
Like this.... Have a Dell Wyse 5070 extended with a AMD 6400lp. Was pleasantly surprised how well it can game on a J5005 at 10 tdp and only 45 watts for the gpu as its in pcie 2.0 x8.
Like videos like this pushing thin clients and like low powered machines to the limits.
Even on one of the low profile HP desktops with a few PCIe slots (only one full sized) airflow can be a problem. With those, however, you can jury rig a small fan at the extra slots to improve things. A Noctua 40 mm fan was quiet and improved things quite a bit on one I built.
just do 720p 60 frames, it would likely be smooth as butter. Honestly stoked for this video as i have one and didnt know you could do that xD thanks guys you saved me some money :)
Baby Jared getting desperate for PC gaming after destroying a good PC years ago.
Might still be nice for a "My moms home pc"-bundle.. will keep that in mind.
You need to mod the case to have cutouts for the gpu to breath.... the newer models of the mini pc came with a vented top cover with vent holes for both the cpu and gpu. I used a dremmel to cut out rectangles on both sides of the case and then used magnetic attached mesh to cover up my less than pretty cuts.
For an accurate demo you could just take the lid off for testing.
Liquad metal, a new stronger custom fan and some type of vapor chamber would probably help
They didn't use the vented side panel or run the GPU fan. It's only idling unless you unplug the blue wire.
Use a stack of these for a Proxmox cluster for server tasks, though I obviously don't have GPUs in them and they are the Intel equivalents.
That CPU specifically has THERMAL PASTE under the IHS of the CPU. You can de-lid this Ryzen pro just by cutting the silicone adhesive and giving it a little heat. Replace the paste with anything you like (I used PTM) and put the IHS back on as a clearance spacer and paste as normal, and the temps will drop like a stone.
You are supposed to have the vented lid with the GPU or a 65w processor.
@@milescarter7803 I don't see how that's relevant. Inside this mini-pc is a normal Ryzen AM4 socketed processor, and on the top of the actual CPU chip is a metal shield with the make and model laser-etched onto it. This shield is called an Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS). On most CPU chips this is held on on the edges by a silicone adhesive, but also the CPU die itself is held to it with an indium based metal solder. On this particular Ryzen 5 Pro 5400GE, they went with regular thermal paste instead of the indium solder. This means that you don't have to melt any solder or use a precise delidding tool to remove the IHS, just cut the silicone adhesive. The choice for AMD to replace the solder with thermal paste is two sided, on one that's probably why we can get these so cheap, as the thermal paste dried and lost efficiency they got louder until they were too slow and loud to use in an office setting. The flip side is that on the secondary market can simply cut the lid off and replace the thermal paste ourselves and restore or enhance the thermals and performance by replacing the paste, especially if it's something better. While normally it would be most advantageous to cool the die directly, you need the CPU lid to make contact with the heatsink so you will need to paste both sides of the IHS so the chip can stay cool. TL;DR cut the silicone adhesive on your Ryzen 5 Pro 5400GE for a thermal paste-y surprise.
Assuming it ran on windows, how does the gaming performance compare when using "lossless scaling"?
Maybe test it with and without the frame generation.
I would revisit this option with some cooling options and see if you can up the performance. I put everything I have on a sort of laptop cooler. In this case, I would remove the case entirely!!
What about repasting the GPU? Did you guys do that, or just slap it in and start gaming?
I think this thing would work best as a classic console emulator, and home theatre pc. Have windows on your tv with all the functionality that would entail. Much faster web browsing than on a regular smart tv as well.
Not to be a Katana nerd, buuuut your sword is upside down. Katana and sheath should be displayed blade up. Love your videos.
Maybe 4~5 months ago I replaced over 200 of our office tower PC's with these as our current PC's couldnt upgrade to 11! lol
(These can be bastards to turn on if they go off having to push the power button 2or3 times!)
However, interesting to note that there are revisions that have ventilation across the top that may help with airflow!
The hp 800 g1 usdt has an mxm slot with a slew of gpus you can slot. Downside it’s a haswell system. Think imma swap mine out for this for my home server!
4:30 great editing guys, also what would this be like for a plex server? the GPu would be good for encoding
It's crazy how far we have gone. My legion go shats on this and its just a handheld....
This was thermal throttled the whole time, to like 300mhz. Needed a vented lid and the fan doesn't ramp on stock BIOS. Need to take lid off, unplug blue fan wire, and re-test.
Looks like a good space saving streming device.
Good job find that item HP mini PC unit but it prefers remove the cover if it used to have better ventilation on the unit! More to come!
Also GPU fan only idles unless you unplug the blue wire (or put a PWM fan controller on it)
The 560X in my old Nitro 5 got you somewhere between a GTX 1050-1050 ti. Not all that surprising.
Since you could get a used xbox one X or PS4 pro for around the same price or cheaper, I feel like those might be better value than this mini PC (though you ofc couldn't use them for everyday computer tasks)
This is good enough for old story based games
Curious why you guys didn't use a heatsink or a thermal pad/paste on the ssd? I gather that would have improved the temps. even if it is just a few degrees, it might have made a difference in the studdering you were getting.🤔
It was thermal throttled because lid was not vented and stock the fan won't speed up. I pulled the blue wire out of the fan plug and got much better performance. Like 3x better.
if you run a dual PC setup, as a content creator, for example, this would probably be better as the stream PC, with a stronger rig for the gaming
should have the mesh case for this and max out the memory. Plus should at least max out your storage as well. I'm using a 800G4 with 32gigs of pc3000 memory 256m.2 windows drive and a 2 tb 2.5 hard drive. integrated intel graphics ain't good but works as far as a media center and internet browser its great.
one of these for a tv would be fun
I have that mini pc, got it for $50 with a 2.5/16gb...but given how hot it would run? Right now it's an HTPC/Streamer and I'll keep it that way
Oh man I kind of want to put this in my camper van. Its small enough it won't take up precious space and I can still run most games I play on it.
I have and have had these 1 liter PC's and I bet that fan roars about 100% of the time with that card installed when you put the least amount of load on it.
just get lenovo m920x, the rx560 is already installed and there is a common cooling solution for cpu and gpu so that the card doesnt choke.
Would have been interesting to see if the stats were the same with the lid off too i.e. if better cooling would help its performance
The fan will go faster if you unplug the blue wire. The stock BIOS doesn't actually ramp the GPU fan. They should have had TDP and GPU clocks up to verify it was running properly. It was thermal throttled the whole video.
I've bought two of these GPUs and work very well with that same 705 G4. Although it overheats like hell and in some cases the RX560 shuts down and gets dissabled by Device Administrator. Im not sure if its a bug from Microsoft's GPU drivers update or what.
Other than that, this GPU works flawlessly with batocera and Emulates every console that exists, even the latest Nintendo ones "wink, wink"
SPECIAL NOTE: the 705 G4 with the 2400G works flawless with every platform on Batocera without the RX560. The card will give you an extra boost on more demanding games like PS3
Unplug the blue fan wire, the fan will run full speed. The stock BIOS does not ramp the GPU fan at all. I also hope you have the vented lid. The GPU has both intake and exhaust through the lid.
I'm into emulation and I like the small form factor but I'm curious if this can handle at least to the 6th generation of consoles.
It overheats badly, the graphics card doesn't support a good gaming experience, overall. It does exactly what it did before we upgraded it and not much more.
It would be great for batocera. I don't need to play the newest hotness. Plenty of fun to be had.
They added an additional 80 watt GPU to a tiny case with little ventilation. They created an easy bake oven without room for the cake pan.
😂😂😂 @@Conumdrum
@@Conumdrum Honesty its wild that HP even allows this.
I'm interested in playing EA Sports FC games - 24 and 25. I watched a gameplay from someone with the same specs as the mini PC for him and it ran well for him on high settings (regular PC). Do you think I would get the same performance using this mini PC?
I wonder what would be the best old office pc and vid card combo to play WOW comfortably
fortnite first game is usually shader caching. dont write it off, you got over 120 fps at one point, and it'll probably stay stable at 90.
I would have loved to See a comparison with the integrated gpu.
Just for comparison I own 2 non-gaming office laptops that I picked up for around £100 each that can match those timespy scores. One is a dell latitude 3420 I upgraded to have dual channel RAM and that just uses intel integrated graphics. The other is a Dell latitude 5400 with a GeForce MX150 gpu. Both required messing about with throttlestop to unlock their full potential but I hope that gives people some other options for light gaming in a small form factor. Intel Iris Xe graphics can really hold their own against these older graphics cards.
They plugged the GPU inlet and outlet with the non vented panel. And the fan doesn't ramp on these stock, I had to unplug the blue wire and it was 2-3x faster.
I'd grab one of those for a project justifying the mini pc itself. I don't feel the performance/temps are worth it with the dGPU.
They blocked all GPU airflow. Needs the vented lid and unplugging the blue wire makes the fan speed up. The stock BIOS doesn't speed up the fan.