in all honesty, wasnt a fan. but hey, im that weird guy who sees something that might be interesting, and gets disapointed to see that the video has nothing to do with it.
That's what they deserve. Tekken is such a complete entity. Sometimes it needs to be seen from a succint angle to make sense. Besides the Mishimas are so boring and haven't changed almost at all, you couldn't make a 30 minute video explaining the boring 50/50 wavu wavu. I'm a Lei main though, Mishimas come across as boring/overpowered to me anyway. It's a Mishima world, other characters are just living in it.
@@eespecialeventsdj they may be boring from a mechanic standpoint(which i heavily disagree by the way), but tekken is more than just mechanics, and the mishima have an incredible story, that is completely diferent from any other fighting game. and belive it or not, that does attract alot of people's atention.
yeah, dont really get the logic behind that one. it feels like he run out of material and decided to add something else that has little to nothing to do with the original idea.
The reason behind the Mishima's lasting appeal is because you get a family of characters. You get a grandfather, a father, and a son. Along with that they range from morally ambiguous to downright evil, so you get to play as the villains and said villains are responsible for the plot.
Not only are they responsible for the plot your sorta led to cheer the villain on. Not even jin is a good person despite his "the ends justify the means" point of view. That said as a kazuya fan you want revenge for what hihachi did to you, as a hihachi man your help bent on killing the literal devil in carnet. Neither one of these people are good. Both want to take over the world itself and have the money and power to do so if not for each other
Honestly as plot goes Tekkens base story is incredible if you can get past the training of marsupials in Martial arts for said world take over... Sometimes it gets a bit much
i think he was originally intended this way but then they made him and law both comic relief forever after Tekken 4 since Tekken 5 pretty much threw any kind of non silliness out the window for the rest of the series
@@reicherwallace6774 tekken 5 was one of the best games in the series but it was also where the story started becoming just about the mishimas how they're all evil assholes including Jin now despite him being almost a heroic character up to that point and everybody else is just there for laughs
@Mikaela I mean it's kinda hard to be the good guy after being betrayed shoot and finding out your bloodline has a bad habit of trying to off each other.
Ryu: Main character with balanced moveset with rather mundane inputs to execute core moves.Rather easy to learn. Kazuya: One of the main characters with a very aggressive fighting style, higher than normal skill requirement and requires precise inputs to unleash his core techniques. Quite hard to use.
It's honestly more bizarre the more you dig into it because kazuya is technically both; his neutral is super risky but his advantage state/momentum is insane
Total anecdote here so I might be wrong; I think the same idea is found in VF with Akira - on the surface; a stoic man in Karate attire (despite using Bajiquan), but is brash and headstrong, while also sporting the highest mechanical difficulty in the cast (just frame knee, no strings outside of extremely complex psuedo hit-grab strings) And, like Kaz, his gameplan is simple, but requires a decent understanding of the mechanics to properly utilise. He's picked very often, despite lit every other char being more geared towards beginners and people looking for intuitive chars.
I think it's more a matter of legacy rather than "completeness" since they've always been pretty much the same the precedent exists for them to consistently be good picks
Always thought Akira Yuki was one of the weirder design for a fighting game protagonist. He's definitely the poster boy for Virtua Fighter and a monster when used properly but good luck actually getting good with him, been trying for at least a decade now and mastered Kazuya's Perfect electric before I got Akira's Teishitsu Dantai to come out even once lol
Akira came to my mind as well when he started talking about main characters that break the "easy Shoto" mold. Another one that I think of is rekka Kyo from KoF '96/'97 onwards. Granted, he was a basic shoto in the first two/three games, but the shift afterwards was insane! He became one of the more unique and advanced characters in the series, and continues to be that way in the latest entries.
Fantastic video. Beautiful editing. And a really nice and sad walk down memory lane.. Been playing since T1 and Kaz has always been my favorite.... Damn I'm getting old
Mishimas are very great to know solely because 1) It's guaranteed at least 1 Mishima will be in each game, 2) They have moves that are very strong and downright broken with the caveat of high execution, and 3) In every game you will consistently be able to get results, as they all play very similar in every game. Mishimas are also super interesting as the three mains (Devil Jin, Kazuya, Heihachi) all fit different aggression levels. Kazuya is a turtle that waits for opportunity to demolish, Heihachi is a pressuring bully, and Devil Jin is somewhere in the middle.
You the funniest part is kazuya has gotten a nerf purely from time. earlier games he has so many main moves compared to the rest of the cast it makes him less predictable. But because they’ve barely updated him he now has the exact opposite going on; he’s got so few moves overall that he’s got a much more predictable movelist.
This might be a big assumption on my part, but I imagine the fact that the Zato player controls 2 characters at once is impressive to most spectators. It is possible a spectator saw Persona 4 Arena and they don't think 2 characters at once is that impressive.
I think it's reasonable to believe people will inherently find the concept of controlling two characters impressive. The idea was moreso to highlight that it isn't at all really possible to grasp which parts of any one sequence will be the bottlenecks execution wise.
Just one correction Ragna is not an Edgelord, he just looks like one. He’s probably the most socially well adjusted and normal fighting game protagonist I’ve ever seen. He also calls out the insane stuff that happens to him every day and the sociopaths that make up his day to day acquaintances.
I was a Ragna main, I'm assuming him having attacks based around Death like Gauntlet Hades, Death Spike, etc and being called Shinigami cursed him from the start.
The greatest thing about Tekkens lore is the main characters are evil or generally messed up. It's a deceptively powerful story that's often just not presented as well as it could be. Paul was most interesting when he was washed up broken Paul in t4
I agree with most people here, the title is quite misleading. I appreciate the actual content/information and editing of the video, but the title definitely doesn't reflect the topic at hand.
Kazuya is the reason why I watch tekken in the first place. If haven't seen wave dashing into electric, I would've probably never had checked out tekken. And even when I didn't know that electrics are a just frame input, it already gave a high impact signal just by looking at someone getting hit by it, Mishima's are sick af
Whenever I go back to older Tekken games I feel some moves had questionable design choices and that kinda annoy me. Jin's CH WGF in T3... why didn't it act as a launcher? I want to give a worse example; can't quickly recall one atm. However once I get reminded of the funny, silly, broken stuff in the past Tekken games I feel good.
That is an odd decision for sure, I assume it was just a holdover from the old WGF which differed on CH as well. But EWGF not having it really just makes for a weird situation, where you have 3/4 hit states be pretty much identical (normal hit WGF, EWGF and counter hit EWGF) and 1/4 be a massive outlier. Odd
I wouldn't say that because I'll be real with you here a shoto, definitely isn't a way to describe them outside of kaz jinpachi and devil jin none of them have any real projectiles outside of lasers and fireballs and even then they are rarely used to begin with. and unlike most fighting game characters, the main guys are easily the most difficult guys to work with on all-time scale no matter if you go 3D or 2D
One thing I like about Tekken is that the main characters are actually good Like in SF Ryu is always mid yet he's supposed to be this top tier fighter that everyone respects
1:18 Hyde isn’t even anywhere edgy. He’s more of a normal guy in an world where you have to survive and fight. Pretty realistic if anything. If we’re going with edgy, it’s definitely Seth.
as a long time teken player that just start hftf i watched ur tuto video on hftf then saw this video next, being a mishima only player for about 15 years now i was in the obligation to click on it, and boy oh boy the editing was super great and the subject was realy interesting, only 2k views ?? man thats a shame i hope u will get more credit in the tekken scene, main man should do a reaction video on it (maybe try to send him the link) only black point u guessed it the paul part was very very long for a mishima video , but i understand that it was essential to explain ur point. anyway a good chanel discover here u got my follow keep doing good stuff man now i gotta go back to practice my dio , as a mishima player of course i gotta struglle with the hard character and got my ass beat XD see ya man
I love your channel Friend! Editing is soooooooooooooooooooo good! Btw. I kind of feel like out of all Mishimas, Hiechachi has a bit different identity now. Still in Tekken 3 his moveset was clearly mix between Kazuya and Paul. Something I feel got lost over years. But otherwise, yes Kazuya is the same :)
Sometimes an intro video can be enough, like the intro to tekken 5 would be enough for a lot of fresh players to pick Kazuya or Heihachi as their first mains.
I hate what they did with him. He wasn't always evil and was even conflicted in 2 when Jun appeared. It makes no sense why someone as pure as jun would fall in love with someone pure evil.
So... Is this video about how kazuya is an unorthodox protag, or his it a history break down of Paul's play styles... I'm so confused, is Paul the true main character of Tekken?
I used to be a Hwoarang main but after trying Heihachi I was hooked on him. Hwoarang is easy to use but it gets boring. Pkaying against high level characters feel sometimes too easy or too hard. I feel braindead or overwhelmed. Using Heihachi taught me to be more strategic and thougful of my attacks and approach. He has most of the tools needed but need extreme timing and execution to be successful. I'm far from successful being Vanquisher rank but goddamn it's so much more fun and rewarding playing Heihachi.
This is my favourite video of yours. And oh dear Swede! I bow before your articulation in English which even native speakers fail at. Thanks for your eloquence on Kazuya & Paul! Someone show MainMan this video! You reminded me of your fellow Swede, FrameWhisperer. Both of you put into words very clearly which is rare to find from native English speaking Tekken content creators. Finally, this video was one big love letter to Tekken & Kazuya, as I personally in my limited understanding think Kazuya epitomizes Tekken, from a visual as well as gameplay standpoint. Great work! 👏👏👏!!!
the reason Kazuya can break the mold is because they introduced Jin, who is more conventional. while they intended for Mishimas to be always easy to pick up, hard to master, I think they choose to not to "dumb down" the control with fillers moves(since they already have a large moveset, and later introduced moved are usually easier to execute) in later games when moving to faster paced online environment is what make them seem "challenging".
@2:32 this is completely wrong. GG & BB have plenty of good-aligned characters in the roster. Tekken, on the other hand, is widely known for having more villains & morally gray characters than good guys. I honestly have no clue what gave you this idea.
I was surprised how much Kazuya was is this Paul Phoenix video, very weird. PS, Kazuya in Tekken 1,2 and Tag was significantly different but similar from Tekken 4 going forward. Kazuya got good mobility and flow to his starting in Tekken 4 which was a necessary change because if you play him in Tekken Tag he feels a lot more stiff along with all of the other Tekken 2 characters ported over that didn't get into Tekken 3 Bruce, Jun, Kunimitsu, etc. You can really see the difference when you compare Hwaorang to Baek in Tekken Tag they share moves but Baek is more stiff and doesn't flow as well since nearly a direct port from Tekken 2. This was very detailed video about the evolution of Paul through the franchise and certainly deserves it's own video, labeled the history of Paul but as video about Kazuya as "protagonist" let alone his play style these where virtual non-existent and would've been nice instead of 20+ minutes of Paul tangent. Just saying when I order a steak and they get the best ribs in the world, I'm eant to know what happened to steak I ordered.
I played the original Tekken on my sisters Playstation when i was 13 years old. I always picked LAW (i was a Bruce Lee fan as a kid). A few years later i bought a Playstation 2. The first game i bought with it was Tekken Tag tournament. I was unaware of the story since ive only played Tekken 1, and i picked my man Law and Beak as my favorite couple. Then came Tekken 4 and i finaly got into the Mishima story. Since then Kazuya is my favorite character. I like his style, the way he looks and his story. Its realy my favorite fighting game character, my second is Scorpion from Mortal Kombat, third is Heihachi.
While I think you're slightly overstating how apparent skillful play of a Mishima is to a spectator, especially for someone unfamiliar with Tekken (like how is even a good 3D fighting game player that doesn't play Tekken supposed to know that Ryan Hart combo requires an even harder version of an already hard to pull off move) I absolutely agree on the point as a whole. I think that's a plus to Tekken's combo system as a whole. Hitting a 1 frame link, a pedestrian thing in games like SFIV, is much harder that Almost every character's staple juggles in Tekken, but it lack the bombast carrying your opponent across the stage or slamming them through a floor/wall has. The animation style also helps it a lot, the slower tempo of the moves and lack of animation cancelling makes it more immediately understandable to a general audience. Really the only game I could think of that can readily outdo Tekken in the impressive at first glance combos department is HnK, and Maybe Marvel. But those have other incomprehensible things for outsiders that hamper their watching experience.
I think you are probably correct in that it is tad bit overstated. I guess more aptly put, one could say that it is extremely easy to spot if you have put a small amount of time in as a player or spectator.
I've always believed Paul is the real protagonist if you go by the amount of insane nonsense they continue to give him for how brain dead simple he is. Comparatively; Kazuya is hard as shit and fatiguing to play optimally.
I know you didn't say they have less daunting gameplay. Fighting game protagonist notoriously have difficult gameplay compared to other members of the cast
Got about halfway through before I realized this video wasn’t going to be about the Mishimas. The title was a bit misleading but I figured if you were talking about how unusual the main characters were then it was fine. At least it would be until you started talking about Paul. Can’t tell if this was an intended joke or if you just got carried away but either way, this was a pretty well made video. Just wish it didn’t waste my time.
Yes it did. I skipped towards the end of the video where it seemed like you got back on track but man, if you were gonna go on an in depth 22 minute tangent on a different character to demonstrate a point, you could’ve at least given a heads up.
2:45 Paul is morally good? Besides cheating in the 6th tournament and being too focused on being number one than helping his best friends son with his medical bills, what has he done?
honesty this helped me understand how tekken became so impenetrable for new players. a little here, a little there, just a couple new tools compared to last game...you remember last game, right?
I wonder why you didn't include tekken 3 and tag 1 for devil jin as jin kazama is basically a proto devil jin in tekken 3 and tag 1 just missing devil lasers, and wings I call tekken 3 and tag 1 jin... Jin Mishima
2:40 ok sol badguy I don't know enough about him to see if how his flaws affect his actions outside of killing monsterus wife for the fifth time, though his edginess does have purpose. Ranga is just a guy who really likes edginess because it's cool, not because he actually wants to be an asshole. Hic asthetic is the reason he's being framed, because he looks like a bad guy(though they should go further in his deisgn than, generic anime boy).
Every argument in this video can be said to Virtua Fighter. Akira Yuki only *looks* like your typical Shoto, because SEGA forced Yu Suzuki to make his own Ryu. Turns out, Akira, while being the flagship character of the series, is one of the most difficult character to play, and requires some of the most execution. One would say that VF's Akira, in his respective game, ask more technical executions that Tekken's Kazuya ever did And given that Tekken, as a series, did start as a Virtua Fighter rip-off from Namco, and always went one step back from SEGA's franchise in the Arcades (until 10 years ago), it seems that this video would have been more suited as a descriptive of SEGA's own Ba Ji Quan practitionner, than Kazuya Mishima.
I came to say something similar, but all is said. Every time I see these videos, where there is an effort to try to tell something historical so that in the end they avoid commenting on fundamental parts of it, and then they tell their own vision of things, it makes me lose interest in seeing them or following the channel and that is a real shame in order to support good content. I tried to watch the full video, it's well structured but has more opportunities to improve in the research section.
Interesting video One correction though Mishimas are not complex. In fact they are extremely simple. They just have high execution demands Characters like Lei, Yoshi or Hworang are "complex" with their million moves and stances.
Dude went and said hwoarang and lei are complex character omega lul the only correct thing you got is yoshi. If you think lei and hwoarang are complex there is no way you can play any of the mishimas
The strangest MCs in gaming are the Drakengard MCs. Sure YorHa 2B, and the Replicant MC are a bit more normal but absolutely nothing beats Caim. The tamest thing I can say about Caim is he enters a romantic relationship with a dragon. And his murder count and cruelty is about on par with the Mishima's.
Kazuya also got laid, at least once not counting the possibility of Nina. Why she works for him as a bodyguard as if he ever needs one, but let's just stick with the revealed lore. Jin on the other hand tries to be the good guy, and not getting the girls is a package deal despite having admirer(s).
Came for a mishima video got 22 minutes of paul i absolutely cannot believe what youve done
in all honesty, wasnt a fan. but hey, im that weird guy who sees something that might be interesting, and gets disapointed to see that the video has nothing to do with it.
Thanks for saving me a lot of time
Same man
That's what they deserve. Tekken is such a complete entity. Sometimes it needs to be seen from a succint angle to make sense. Besides the Mishimas are so boring and haven't changed almost at all, you couldn't make a 30 minute video explaining the boring 50/50 wavu wavu.
I'm a Lei main though, Mishimas come across as boring/overpowered to me anyway. It's a Mishima world, other characters are just living in it.
@@eespecialeventsdj they may be boring from a mechanic standpoint(which i heavily disagree by the way),
but tekken is more than just mechanics, and the mishima have an incredible story, that is completely diferent from any other fighting game.
and belive it or not, that does attract alot of people's atention.
This went from a video about strange protagonists into a 20 minute tangent on Paul
yeah, dont really get the logic behind that one. it feels like he run out of material and decided to add something else that has little to nothing to do with the original idea.
Tbh
I had to double check the title😂
The reason behind the Mishima's lasting appeal is because you get a family of characters. You get a grandfather, a father, and a son. Along with that they range from morally ambiguous to downright evil, so you get to play as the villains and said villains are responsible for the plot.
Great grandfather jinpachi as well
Not only are they responsible for the plot your sorta led to cheer the villain on. Not even jin is a good person despite his "the ends justify the means" point of view. That said as a kazuya fan you want revenge for what hihachi did to you, as a hihachi man your help bent on killing the literal devil in carnet. Neither one of these people are good. Both want to take over the world itself and have the money and power to do so if not for each other
Honestly as plot goes Tekkens base story is incredible if you can get past the training of marsupials in Martial arts for said world take over... Sometimes it gets a bit much
Great grandfather, grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, son and two uncles. And a cousin. And a bear. Lots of family.
@@spacecat6022 and the sons pigtailed girlfriend and her pet panda
My man flexing his editing skills for 30 mins
Fr, man's editing is pretty insane bruh
@@foreveruseless1292I don’t think rubb’s a man. Defo a legendary editor tho
Ah nice, the I AM OP guy
@@JimiCanRead guh???
@@yahenielrmRubbish is trans. If you've seen the video where Rubbish rants about TMM's opinion on Akuma...then you know...
Electric is like the most satisfying fighting game move ever
It's up there for sure.
omen thundergod fist (Heihavhi exclusive) is a bit more satisfying
Fluttering butterfly loops😌
@@101mrcrazymannah landing a df2ch to pewgf is more satisfying but i agree omen is also satisfying
Real and also twin pistons well executed😊
Fun fact, given you mentioned Sol. Sol's voice actor, Jōji Nakata also portrayed Kazuya in Tekken 1, 2 & Tag.
He also mentioned Ryu, who is voiced by Kyle Herbet. He also voiced Kazuya in several entries with English dubs
Oh, that's cool!
@@TupocalypseShakur also a DBZ voice actor
Amazing Paul breakdown, just weird why you always started talking about Mishimas all of a sudden.
Great work!
Didn't want to overload people's brains with too much of Tekken's greatest character. So I sprinkled in some Mishimas as well.
@@HQRubbish I salute you
I love how this video completely explains why I picked up Kazuya as my main for Tekken
You were of course the inspiration for the video.
Isn't this rubbish retard the guy who got into a beef with main man lmao
Who knew Paul was secretly the MC of Tekken? Blew my mind for sure.
Paul always was one, Harada just forgot about it
i think he was originally intended this way but then they made him and law both comic relief forever after Tekken 4 since Tekken 5 pretty much threw any kind of non silliness out the window for the rest of the series
@@mikaelamonsterland I mean Tekken 5 had some really neat cinematic endings for the characters
@@reicherwallace6774 tekken 5 was one of the best games in the series but it was also where the story started becoming just about the mishimas how they're all evil assholes including Jin now despite him being almost a heroic character up to that point and everybody else is just there for laughs
@Mikaela I mean it's kinda hard to be the good guy after being betrayed shoot and finding out your bloodline has a bad habit of trying to off each other.
This is a paul vid in disguise
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Ryu: Main character with balanced moveset with rather mundane inputs to execute core moves.Rather easy to learn.
Kazuya: One of the main characters with a very aggressive fighting style, higher than normal skill requirement and requires precise inputs to unleash his core techniques. Quite hard to use.
Actually kazuya is more defensive than offensive since his attacks are hard to connect without being punished
It's honestly more bizarre the more you dig into it because kazuya is technically both; his neutral is super risky but his advantage state/momentum is insane
@@Madheim777 Depends how u play but yeah his punishment is stronger.
@@bidoofismyking8962 Exactly
Total anecdote here so I might be wrong; I think the same idea is found in VF with Akira - on the surface; a stoic man in Karate attire (despite using Bajiquan), but is brash and headstrong, while also sporting the highest mechanical difficulty in the cast (just frame knee, no strings outside of extremely complex psuedo hit-grab strings)
And, like Kaz, his gameplan is simple, but requires a decent understanding of the mechanics to properly utilise.
He's picked very often, despite lit every other char being more geared towards beginners and people looking for intuitive chars.
I'd Say Akira is like a mix of Ryu and Ryo Sakazaki from Art of Fighting & King of Fighters
I think it's more a matter of legacy rather than "completeness" since they've always been pretty much the same the precedent exists for them to consistently be good picks
Always thought Akira Yuki was one of the weirder design for a fighting game protagonist. He's definitely the poster boy for Virtua Fighter and a monster when used properly but good luck actually getting good with him, been trying for at least a decade now and mastered Kazuya's Perfect electric before I got Akira's Teishitsu Dantai to come out even once lol
Akira came to my mind as well when he started talking about main characters that break the "easy Shoto" mold.
Another one that I think of is rekka Kyo from KoF '96/'97 onwards. Granted, he was a basic shoto in the first two/three games, but the shift afterwards was insane!
He became one of the more unique and advanced characters in the series, and continues to be that way in the latest entries.
@@BknMoonStudios kyo from kof 98 still gives me nightmares lol
Fantastic video. Beautiful editing. And a really nice and sad walk down memory lane.. Been playing since T1 and Kaz has always been my favorite.... Damn I'm getting old
Hey, if the Mishimas are anything to go by, growing older only seems to make one stronger!
@@HQRubbish Ahahah, thanks man!
Oldman strength ain't no joke! 👊🏼😎
Mishimas are very great to know solely because 1) It's guaranteed at least 1 Mishima will be in each game, 2) They have moves that are very strong and downright broken with the caveat of high execution, and 3) In every game you will consistently be able to get results, as they all play very similar in every game. Mishimas are also super interesting as the three mains (Devil Jin, Kazuya, Heihachi) all fit different aggression levels. Kazuya is a turtle that waits for opportunity to demolish, Heihachi is a pressuring bully, and Devil Jin is somewhere in the middle.
Phoenix: 28 years later
Shhh.. 🤫
You the funniest part is kazuya has gotten a nerf purely from time. earlier games he has so many main moves compared to the rest of the cast it makes him less predictable. But because they’ve barely updated him he now has the exact opposite going on; he’s got so few moves overall that he’s got a much more predictable movelist.
Until tekken 8, dude is now a monster,lol
This might be a big assumption on my part, but I imagine the fact that the Zato player controls 2 characters at once is impressive to most spectators. It is possible a spectator saw Persona 4 Arena and they don't think 2 characters at once is that impressive.
I think it's reasonable to believe people will inherently find the concept of controlling two characters impressive. The idea was moreso to highlight that it isn't at all really possible to grasp which parts of any one sequence will be the bottlenecks execution wise.
Just one correction
Ragna is not an Edgelord, he just looks like one.
He’s probably the most socially well adjusted and normal fighting game protagonist I’ve ever seen. He also calls out the insane stuff that happens to him every day and the sociopaths that make up his day to day acquaintances.
Spot on explanation
I was a Ragna main, I'm assuming him having attacks based around Death like Gauntlet Hades, Death Spike, etc and being called Shinigami cursed him from the start.
@@HadesHatredEdge And also add the fact that due to the Power of Order, Ragna was considered evil by the world
A mishima went to smash and said “nah, imma keep playin tekken here”
Yoooooo what is that editing! Mad skills dude!
The greatest thing about Tekkens lore is the main characters are evil or generally messed up. It's a deceptively powerful story that's often just not presented as well as it could be. Paul was most interesting when he was washed up broken Paul in t4
you definitely earned yourself a follow. this was fantastic.
I love how people are commenting talking about mishimas which makes me think that they did not watch the video
I agree with most people here, the title is quite misleading. I appreciate the actual content/information and editing of the video, but the title definitely doesn't reflect the topic at hand.
Paul's movelist was deliberately truncated in 2 because reversals did batshit damage and so did tech throws, and Paul had both.
Great video
Kazuya is the reason why I watch tekken in the first place. If haven't seen wave dashing into electric, I would've probably never had checked out tekken. And even when I didn't know that electrics are a just frame input, it already gave a high impact signal just by looking at someone getting hit by it, Mishima's are sick af
*ever since i fought my uncle as an alisa main and him being a paul main, i can say i have developed whats known as: paul stress traumatic disorder.*
Whenever I go back to older Tekken games I feel some moves had questionable design choices and that kinda annoy me. Jin's CH WGF in T3... why didn't it act as a launcher? I want to give a worse example; can't quickly recall one atm.
However once I get reminded of the funny, silly, broken stuff in the past Tekken games I feel good.
That is an odd decision for sure, I assume it was just a holdover from the old WGF which differed on CH as well.
But EWGF not having it really just makes for a weird situation, where you have 3/4 hit states be pretty much identical (normal hit WGF, EWGF and counter hit EWGF) and 1/4 be a massive outlier.
Odd
My favorite Mishima is Pikachu from pokken
The reason I play Mishimas is that there is no better feeling in the world for side stepping a df1 and punishing with electric
electric is a helluva drug
Yes, when the protagonist is a villain. And the Mishima type is a 3D shoto requiring skill.
I wouldn't say that because I'll be real with you here a shoto, definitely isn't a way to describe them outside of kaz jinpachi and devil jin none of them have any real projectiles outside of lasers and fireballs and even then they are rarely used to begin with. and unlike most fighting game characters, the main guys are easily the most difficult guys to work with on all-time scale no matter if you go 3D or 2D
@@ikedatike2533 I meant shoto as in, trope and vain. That's why they're mishimas. The "3D shoto." I probably will add requiring "execution" and skill.
Clicked because i saw kazuya on the thumbnails but got disappointed, imagine kazuya has a complete kit *cries in poke artacks*
I'm playing since t2, this vid was such a joy to watch, cheers!
One thing I like about Tekken is that the main characters are actually good
Like in SF Ryu is always mid yet he's supposed to be this top tier fighter that everyone respects
Doubt
1:18 Hyde isn’t even anywhere edgy. He’s more of a normal guy in an world where you have to survive and fight. Pretty realistic if anything. If we’re going with edgy, it’s definitely Seth.
Paul Phoenix: The True Protagonist in OP's World 😂
as a long time teken player that just start hftf i watched ur tuto video on hftf then saw this video next, being a mishima only player for about 15 years now i was in the obligation to click on it, and boy oh boy the editing was super great and the subject was realy interesting, only 2k views ?? man thats a shame i hope u will get more credit in the tekken scene, main man should do a reaction video on it (maybe try to send him the link)
only black point u guessed it the paul part was very very long for a mishima video , but i understand that it was essential to explain ur point.
anyway a good chanel discover here u got my follow keep doing good stuff man
now i gotta go back to practice my dio , as a mishima player of course i gotta struglle with the hard character and got my ass beat XD
see ya man
I love your channel Friend! Editing is soooooooooooooooooooo good!
Btw. I kind of feel like out of all Mishimas, Hiechachi has a bit different identity now. Still in Tekken 3 his moveset was clearly mix between Kazuya and Paul. Something I feel got lost over years. But otherwise, yes Kazuya is the same :)
Should Be Renamed: Tekken's Most Popular Deuteragonist.
My fav character Paul Pheonix
Really really well done, great video!
Sometimes an intro video can be enough, like the intro to tekken 5 would be enough for a lot of fresh players to pick Kazuya or Heihachi as their first mains.
22:91 and thus they are lost in the room of time and spirit for 15 years hitting those electrics.
I came for mishima and I'm 19 minutes in the vid now and just realized it became a paul video
came to learn more about kazuya left a paul main great video
This was great. Now tackle the history of Yoshimitsu and his various cameos in other games!
I like kazuya because he is one of the most irredeemably cruel evil characters I've ever seen before and been the protagonist of multiple games
I hate what they did with him. He wasn't always evil and was even conflicted in 2 when Jun appeared. It makes no sense why someone as pure as jun would fall in love with someone pure evil.
@@tristanward9937happens all the time in real life
@@tristanward9937 chicks dig badass guys
His life was messed up from the beginning since his devil gene
So... Is this video about how kazuya is an unorthodox protag, or his it a history break down of Paul's play styles... I'm so confused, is Paul the true main character of Tekken?
YES.
It's Jin
Wait a second I thought this was a video about protagonists
I used to be a Hwoarang main but after trying Heihachi I was hooked on him. Hwoarang is easy to use but it gets boring. Pkaying against high level characters feel sometimes too easy or too hard. I feel braindead or overwhelmed. Using Heihachi taught me to be more strategic and thougful of my attacks and approach. He has most of the tools needed but need extreme timing and execution to be successful. I'm far from successful being Vanquisher rank but goddamn it's so much more fun and rewarding playing Heihachi.
This is my favourite video of yours. And oh dear Swede! I bow before your articulation in English which even native speakers fail at. Thanks for your eloquence on Kazuya & Paul! Someone show MainMan this video! You reminded me of your fellow Swede, FrameWhisperer. Both of you put into words very clearly which is rare to find from native English speaking Tekken content creators. Finally, this video was one big love letter to Tekken & Kazuya, as I personally in my limited understanding think Kazuya epitomizes Tekken, from a visual as well as gameplay standpoint. Great work! 👏👏👏!!!
Amazing video again!
Loved every second beginning to end.
Cheers! Always fun to see another creator dig something I produced.
28:00 I thought this was about fighting games?? Why did you put some party game beat em up in here?
"Do you remenber this move?"
>Kazuya fF2
I DO, AND IT SUCKED
This lad will go places I forsee it
Wow your editing skills are insane
the reason Kazuya can break the mold is because they introduced Jin, who is more conventional. while they intended for Mishimas to be always easy to pick up, hard to master, I think they choose to not to "dumb down" the control with fillers moves(since they already have a large moveset, and later introduced moved are usually easier to execute) in later games when moving to faster paced online environment is what make them seem "challenging".
Shoulder smash, demolition man, deathfist and sway. Classic Judo moves
@2:32 this is completely wrong. GG & BB have plenty of good-aligned characters in the roster. Tekken, on the other hand, is widely known for having more villains & morally gray characters than good guys. I honestly have no clue what gave you this idea.
I was surprised how much Kazuya was is this Paul Phoenix video, very weird.
PS, Kazuya in Tekken 1,2 and Tag was significantly different but similar from Tekken 4 going forward. Kazuya got good mobility and flow to his starting in Tekken 4 which was a necessary change because if you play him in Tekken Tag he feels a lot more stiff along with all of the other Tekken 2 characters ported over that didn't get into Tekken 3 Bruce, Jun, Kunimitsu, etc. You can really see the difference when you compare Hwaorang to Baek in Tekken Tag they share moves but Baek is more stiff and doesn't flow as well since nearly a direct port from Tekken 2.
This was very detailed video about the evolution of Paul through the franchise and certainly deserves it's own video, labeled the history of Paul but as video about Kazuya as "protagonist" let alone his play style these where virtual non-existent and would've been nice instead of 20+ minutes of Paul tangent.
Just saying when I order a steak and they get the best ribs in the world, I'm eant to know what happened to steak I ordered.
I played the original Tekken on my sisters Playstation when i was 13 years old. I always picked LAW (i was a Bruce Lee fan as a kid). A few years later i bought a Playstation 2. The first game i bought with it was Tekken Tag tournament. I was unaware of the story since ive only played Tekken 1, and i picked my man Law and Beak as my favorite couple. Then came Tekken 4 and i finaly got into the Mishima story. Since then Kazuya is my favorite character. I like his style, the way he looks and his story. Its realy my favorite fighting game character, my second is Scorpion from Mortal Kombat, third is Heihachi.
Kazuya and Paul still need that rematch.
God, I hope it happens in T8. Just one more match.
nah man too late, i don't think Paul can face Kazuya at this point in the lore.
They did on t1 which Paul got his ass beat
This channel is underrated
so basically they're the spacies from smash melee but with more consistency across titles and if they were on the box. makes sense
While I think you're slightly overstating how apparent skillful play of a Mishima is to a spectator, especially for someone unfamiliar with Tekken (like how is even a good 3D fighting game player that doesn't play Tekken supposed to know that Ryan Hart combo requires an even harder version of an already hard to pull off move) I absolutely agree on the point as a whole.
I think that's a plus to Tekken's combo system as a whole. Hitting a 1 frame link, a pedestrian thing in games like SFIV, is much harder that Almost every character's staple juggles in Tekken, but it lack the bombast carrying your opponent across the stage or slamming them through a floor/wall has. The animation style also helps it a lot, the slower tempo of the moves and lack of animation cancelling makes it more immediately understandable to a general audience.
Really the only game I could think of that can readily outdo Tekken in the impressive at first glance combos department is HnK, and Maybe Marvel. But those have other incomprehensible things for outsiders that hamper their watching experience.
I think you are probably correct in that it is tad bit overstated. I guess more aptly put, one could say that it is extremely easy to spot if you have put a small amount of time in as a player or spectator.
I couldn't stop watching this video because of the music.
The editing in this video is immense 🔥🔥🔥
Ok Heihachi has some BANGER tertiary moves tho
When a Kazuya does the up-forward 4,4,4 move he is now hailed a CHADzuya
A fact known throughout all the lands
Sometimes i use it but instead of the 4 hits i only use 2 and proceed to a combo
I've always believed Paul is the real protagonist if you go by the amount of insane nonsense they continue to give him for how brain dead simple he is. Comparatively; Kazuya is hard as shit and fatiguing to play optimally.
I'm not gonna sugar coat it...
Teachings my kids how to do electrics , they are 3 years old.
I know you didn't say they have less daunting gameplay. Fighting game protagonist notoriously have difficult gameplay compared to other members of the cast
Got about halfway through before I realized this video wasn’t going to be about the Mishimas. The title was a bit misleading but I figured if you were talking about how unusual the main characters were then it was fine. At least it would be until you started talking about Paul. Can’t tell if this was an intended joke or if you just got carried away but either way, this was a pretty well made video. Just wish it didn’t waste my time.
Perhaps it returns to that subject at some point.
Yes it did. I skipped towards the end of the video where it seemed like you got back on track but man, if you were gonna go on an in depth 22 minute tangent on a different character to demonstrate a point, you could’ve at least given a heads up.
@@VJ2099 Nah
came from twitter good shit
Idk if this was intended but Paul and Kazuya were rivals in the early age of Tekken.
2:45 Paul is morally good?
Besides cheating in the 6th tournament and being too focused on being number one than helping his best friends son with his medical bills, what has he done?
honesty this helped me understand how tekken became so impenetrable for new players. a little here, a little there, just a couple new tools compared to last game...you remember last game, right?
23:18 you didn't actually show the low version of the flying kick in Tekken 1
I feel clickbaited. But the conclusion makes a lot of sense.
I wonder why you didn't include tekken 3 and tag 1 for devil jin as jin kazama is basically a proto devil jin in tekken 3 and tag 1 just missing devil lasers, and wings I call tekken 3 and tag 1 jin... Jin Mishima
I feel like I should be mad, but this is just hilarious
U need to turn up the volume some more. Other wise, good video!
2:40 ok sol badguy I don't know enough about him to see if how his flaws affect his actions outside of killing monsterus wife for the fifth time, though his edginess does have purpose.
Ranga is just a guy who really likes edginess because it's cool, not because he actually wants to be an asshole.
Hic asthetic is the reason he's being framed, because he looks like a bad guy(though they should go further in his deisgn than, generic anime boy).
Clicked for Kazuya, stayed for Paul. 😛😄
The editing on this video is crazy, mad props to you, man. Also, anyone mind telling me what the song playing at 4:52 is?
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@@HQRubbish thanks a lot man, and once again, great job on the video. Very well done and high quality.
@@DeepBoice Thanks for watching!
Amazing video, kinda sad is not that popular
MY GOD WHAT AN AMAZING VIDEO!
SUBSCRIBED! 👊⚡
Every argument in this video can be said to Virtua Fighter. Akira Yuki only *looks* like your typical Shoto, because SEGA forced Yu Suzuki to make his own Ryu. Turns out, Akira, while being the flagship character of the series, is one of the most difficult character to play, and requires some of the most execution. One would say that VF's Akira, in his respective game, ask more technical executions that Tekken's Kazuya ever did
And given that Tekken, as a series, did start as a Virtua Fighter rip-off from Namco, and always went one step back from SEGA's franchise in the Arcades (until 10 years ago), it seems that this video would have been more suited as a descriptive of SEGA's own Ba Ji Quan practitionner, than Kazuya Mishima.
There's only one issue with that.
I don't wanna talk about stank-ass Akira.
Thanks for watching tho
@@HQRubbish *NOTED.*
I came to say something similar, but all is said. Every time I see these videos, where there is an effort to try to tell something historical so that in the end they avoid commenting on fundamental parts of it, and then they tell their own vision of things, it makes me lose interest in seeing them or following the channel and that is a real shame in order to support good content. I tried to watch the full video, it's well structured but has more opportunities to improve in the research section.
@@HQRubbish What are you doing? Why would you kill him like that??
Interesting video
One correction though
Mishimas are not complex. In fact they are extremely simple. They just have high execution demands
Characters like Lei, Yoshi or Hworang are "complex" with their million moves and stances.
Dude went and said hwoarang and lei are complex character omega lul the only correct thing you got is yoshi. If you think lei and hwoarang are complex there is no way you can play any of the mishimas
this video is so well made! new sub :)
Calling Ragna an edgelord is slander, he's actually a decent dude
The strangest MCs in gaming are the Drakengard MCs. Sure YorHa 2B, and the Replicant MC are a bit more normal but absolutely nothing beats Caim.
The tamest thing I can say about Caim is he enters a romantic relationship with a dragon.
And his murder count and cruelty is about on par with the Mishima's.
This video is pretty much like picking up tekken. We expect to play kazuya, but end up with paul. And nobody is dissapointed
Kazuya also got laid, at least once not counting the possibility of Nina. Why she works for him as a bodyguard as if he ever needs one, but let's just stick with the revealed lore. Jin on the other hand tries to be the good guy, and not getting the girls is a package deal despite having admirer(s).
Very good project, i wish you success
I thought this video is about kazuya but 70% is about ryu and paul pheonix