@@eduardopeguero5376it should though. He has control over my thoughts so why should i be responsible for them. Riddle me that paradox batman. Tell me something I haven’t heard before
I was searching for an answer and received the exact answer I was looking for. This all circles back around to Jesus. I believe in Jesus and have 100% trust in him alone. Nothing nor any person can harm me unless it is Gods will. If it be his will than so be it. I'm good with that.
I don’t know if I understand what you mean, therefore if my question below is not reflective of your comment, I apologize. I’m just curious if you Would be okay with God willing you to hell as a reprobate as He does to the non-elect? Or are you okay because you know you’re one of His elect ? Aren’t you appalled at the thought that God would Will people from eternity past to be dead in sins and then be cast to hell for a decision He made on their behalf? Why would anyone want such God? I think Satan would be a more preferable option, after all Satan is also a victim of His sovereignty..if Calvinism is true.
_Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So do not be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows._ - Matt 10:29-31 _I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things._ - Isaiah 45:7-8
I know someone who doesn’t understand how God can control such a complex world. I want to explain to them but don’t really know how to word it. I’d be grateful for someone’s help. 🙏🏼
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God's predestination of Christians is just _part_ of the _"all things" that are subject to His will._
Yeah you’re wording that very well. I’d say that God has the ability to control anything and everything. However I do believe in our free will that we have, and that doesn’t override God‘s power but I see that God has respected our decision making even if it’s flawed significantly. However if we ask him and we have faith I have seen actions taken that were not explained except for Gods ultimate power.
True freedom and joy are possible only by trusting in God. The inclination to rebel is always present with us, and especially in times of severe and prolonged suffering, but the grace of God protects us from falling and somehow always pulls us back to Himself. It is a constant battle through out life, even among the most faithful. God's love for us will never fail us. Have faith in God. We can be sorrowful, yet always rejoicing in our Mighty God. The Lord Jesus will not lose any that has trusted in Him. Have faith in God.
Even though God is behind creation, that doesn't mean that God is behind everything that happens within creation. Since God has given us free will, we are capable of being creators in our own right; including creating suffering for ourselves and others. This particular misunderstanding, that God is causing our suffering and perhaps punishing us, is one of the most dangerous misunderstanding promoted by religious teachers; for how can we become free from suffering if we don't understand what's causing it? As long as we believe that lie, we will blame God or others, or our circumstances for our suffering and not see that we are responsible for our suffering. Our mistaken thinking, and the negative emotions and negative actions that flow from our thoughts causes our suffering. Depending on what we choose to believe, and how we choose to respond to life; we create more Love in the world or the opposite. When we choose to express the opposite of Love or cause harm, it is not God that is at fault. God gifted us with the freedom to choose and to create, and we eventually learn from our choices to be better creators; to create happiness instead of suffering, and it is suffering that teaches us this; suffering points us away from what is anti-life, anti-Love. Our own personal suffering is the so-called "punishment" we receive when we make choices that are not aligned with Love; that is the only "punishment" meted out by God. We are designed to suffer whenever we miss the mark, which is the meaning of sin. The mark, the target or goal, is Love; we suffer whenever we fall out of alignment with Love. Suffering and joy are part of the guidance system we've been given; the homing device, which when followed, will bring us back home to Love. Suffering tells us that we are believing a lie or taking a wrong direction; while joy tells us the opposite. If we don't want to suffer, then we must stop believing or doing what causes us and others suffering; and start believing and doing what brings peace, Love and joy.
Thanks. Well, I’m on a “sovereignty vs judgement” seeking God’s Kingdom journey. If ALL this spoken is true. Then even this text is ordained?! Am I right?
Were given free will Like taking a test our actions have consequences God knows everything And alls you to think and act freely But has seen it all And allows you to make the decisions at heart that you want to make But God uses everything for his will He knows what you'll do and use it for Good He knows the future and past All for his Good You can obey his will Or do what you free want But it all benefits God Who if you love him Know he loves his children And knows them well And protects them And guides them here Even if we suffer Because heaven and Christ at the end are all that matter
At the end, Piper says "what kind of world would you rather live in, one where God controls everything or one where things can happen apart from God's determinations?" How convenient that Piper's theology is the one that's most comforting to him. After that, the other guy says "the alternatives are not comforting." This should be about truth, not what's comforting. If God is the one controlling every detail of everything that happens, that's certainly a comforting world. In fact, it sounds like heaven. But that's certainly not what we see. There is real evil in the world and there are many people going to hell. If God was controlling every detail of everything that ever happens then we should be experiencing a very different world. God gave us free will which is why bad things happen, and it's on this basis that people are going to hell and it's why Jesus had to come to clean up our mess. Jesus didnt come to clean up His own mess. We freely choose sin, and are therefore accountable. God doesn't determine our sin. Just because God is omniscient and knows everything that will ever happen, that doesn't mean He determines everything that happens. Just because God gave us free will doesnt mean He is not sovereign. We have free will precisely *because* God is sovereign, and if God cannot give free will and be sovereign at the same time, He is not truly sovereign!
Exactly! Also God says he wants everyone to be saved and to join him in Heaven! If he determined everything then everyone alive would go to Heaven but we know that’s not true! He sacrifices his desire for companionship among his creation to give us free will!
Calvinism thy name is Fatalism! If God is so utterly in control of everything we do, how could we call anything we do a sin? Isn't the very definition of a sin be the act of doing something outside the will of God? Because if it's not outside his will, then sinners are merely going through the motions. Making life meaningless and totally moot.
Exactly. If God controlled everything then our love for Him would be meaningless. God made us images of Him, meaning that He also gave us free will. Without our own power, we wouldn't be able to Do anything and He constantly says in the Bible to Do Good. God gave us the power we have but now the power is ours to do our will with. I went on a date 2 weeks ago and thought, this date is going well, thank God, its all God and none of me, and then all my confidence was lost bc I stopped listening and the date was destroyed. This proves that we have our OWN power and that we must use it. God says to Be strong Like Men, not weak passive pushovers that wait on God to give us our supper instead of working for it. We dont know how God works, but what we do know is that it is our responsibility to use the power He gave us to make sure we Dont Waste Our Lives.
@@elephantear7659 The Law also says to do all kinds of good and nobody was justified by the Law. Man has never had the power to do good in the sight of God, it is only by the grace of God that He gives out of His freedom as the creator of all things that allows us to do good. There is ZERO mention of the free will or volition of man in scripture.
I don't believe that God is in control of everything at all times as some denominations preach, at least not in my experience. We are basically free to do what we want, when we want, good or bad, in this world. For some reason, God chooses to intervene once in a while maybe, out of pity, out of love, to reveal himself, or to get things/people back ontrack on his master plan. A lot of people imagine that their most minor accomplishments were due to God. Let's say a person decides to praise God because he got his college degree. Now is God responsible for this person getting a college degree ? Nope, it was the person who went to the college to enroll, paid the fees, paid for the classes, paid for the books, stayed up all night long studying for tests to finally earn that degree. God had nothing to do with this. The person did that themselves maybe with the help of their parents ! Same can be said about a lot of things in life. Is God in control of the neighborhood drunk, for his condition ? Nope, the neighborhood drunk decided to orient their life in that manner for one reason, or another and holds full, or partial responsibility. God can't be held responsible. Now of course if the neighborhood drunk yells out to God and God decides to listen and help them, that's another story. If the neighborhood drunk miraculously becomes sober, then they have all the right to praise God and be thankfull. This is what is called "divine intervention", or Grace and is usually done out of pity, out of love, or because God wants to reveal himself through that person. How come that 'god-hating' atheist on the hill is rich and that humble, god-loving, nice, pious guy in the valley is living in poverty ? Isn't God in control ? Nope, we are. God gave us dominion over our planet and our lives, therefore we are free to make our own decisions. The incident in the Mystical Garden of Eden further cemented that reality. Why does God intervene in the lives of some and not others ? Again out of pity, out of love, or because that person was chosen to steer things in the way God wants things to go and it's not always the way Man wants things to go. Why doesn't God intervene for everybody ? You mean 8 Billion people ? One day a married couple decides to let their 2 boys and their friends go hicking in the nearby forest. The kids should have been back by sunset, but nobody knows where they are and it's getting dark. The frantic parents decide to rent a helicopter with heat-sensing technology to find the kids in the forrest. They eventually find the kids and take them back home, their 2 boys and the other kids. The kids are grateful and praise the couple for being rescued. The couple in this case, intervened out of pity, or out of love. It's clear the friends of the 2 boys also benefitted from this intervention by the parents of the 2 boys. Now were the parents responsible for the kids being lost ? Nope, the kids got lost by themselves for one reason or another, the parents had nothing to do with it, they were not let's say 'in full control'. In most cases, it was YOU who hit that homerun, it was you who scored that touch down, it was you who purchased that Ferrari, or that home, it was you who got that promotion, so praise yourself ! Of course it doesn't mean that you didn't get a little help along the way. It doesn't mean that God 'incognito' didn't pull some strings behind the scenes to facilitate your success. This is why we should never be too proud of our so-called accomplishments, or to take all the credit...
The fundamental issue in question is my Catholicism vs your Protestantism. Since ya'll are about the bible I will direct you to some verses. Romans 1:20, Deut 30:19, James 1:13, Gal 2:17. The last vs is Sirach 15:14. (And yes the book of Sirach was removed from the bible by your protestants after 15 centuries of legitimacy.) Sir 15:14 "When God in the beginning created man he made him in the subject of his own free will." Finally, if in fact, we have no free will, then not even absolute love of us is required by God to sacrifice his son for our salvation; at which point "by faith alone" is irrelevant since we are all predestined to either believe or not. It is precisely because we have free will that our Father sacrificed his only son. But faith in Jesus alone isn't sufficient for salvation. Faith in itself is a verb and requires action... good works are in fact required. Otherwise, Hitler can full well believe in Christ, yet still, be saved.
I think it's important to strive for perfection through Jesus Christ; however, we fall short of the glory of God and need to realize that at the end of the day, Jesus is the only one who can save us. We need to try to be Holy by repenting (choosing to be obedient to God instead of choosing to take pleasure in our sinful desires), and trusting that Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection was enough for our sins to be forgiven. For example, if I was an atheist on my death bed, and I sincerely apologized to God for my sins and asked for Jesus to be my Lord and Savior, I know that I would be forgiven by God through Jesus Christ without works. "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise." God would not turn you away if you decide in your heart and truly believe that He is more valuable than your own sinful desires, and that God can forgive those sins because of what Jesus did for all of us. However, if I was healthy and did the same thing, I would start desiring to do good works because I love and delight in the Lord our God, as well as my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. "Delight in the Lord, and He will give you the desires of your heart." I also want to make sure everyone knows that Jesus loved sinners, but He did not encourage them to sin nor was He okay with people sinning. You can't be sexual immoral (LQBTG, adultery, porn, etc.), or a murderer, a thief, a liar, etc, and expect Jesus to be okay with that. Don't justify your sin by creating a fake god that is okay with the above sins.
People were bringing little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15 Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” 16 And he took the children in his arms, placed his hands on them and blessed them. Mark 10:13-16 Yet Calvinists like John Piper rebuke anyone coming to Jesus, telling them they can’t come! They hinder them with John Calvins false gospel. They tell those coming, that the kingdom only belongs to them, “THE ELECT”! They do not receive anyone coming to Jesus, they rebuke them. They them selves will not enter the Kingdom, because they will not receive Jesus like a child. They reject Jesus, while Jesus welcomes and blesses everyone who comes to Him.
So, when a small child dies as a result of the weather, what should anyone think about? If God is in control of everything, I need help understanding this.
According to Ephesians 2:2 Satan is the prince of the power of the air so when a tornado kills a child that was Satan's idea. How can Satan have any power like that? John 19:11 "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above." How could a loving God let something terrible like that happen?? Romans 8:28 "we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him." I can't give any more detailed of an answer than this because I am an actor in this stage play that God is directing. When the play is over (or when my part in it is over and I am called backstage to talk with the Director) I will have an eternity in which to begin to understand how He orchestrated such a complex universe into being the best possible one.
To those who will quickly say “but what about the suffering in the world and those born with illnesses, sick, disabled, etc” any bad thing they can name. The Lord himself says “the Earth is a spiritual purification ground, you DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY LIVES your spirit has lived and karma, being a spiritual law, although NOT taught in the Bible is implied by Jesus as in “to enter the kingdom you will HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN”, he meant that twofold, as in reincarnation of the spirit, because you’re not only born once, the spirit continues along a ladder of evolution so many are atoning for their past mistakes NOW and then those who are IGNORANT (ignorance is also innocence to God, UNLESS you are aware of things you do and pretend to be blameless) are the ones that say that it’s not biblical, when in reality it is. The truth is, God has always been good, simply put, and since the Tribulation hasn’t even started yet, we still have so much left to come, Two Suns, the crossing of planet 9, three days of darkness during its transit (close your doors and windows during this time), major wars, invasions, demonic plagues, major quakes, the list goes on and on and on and men will still blame God for all of this when the final truth is as he said “You all hold a piece of my spirit within you, if you only KNEW of your light, how to have charity with one another and live in harmony, you would not have to endure the bitter chalice which you YOURSELVES attract” (referencing the power of your own mind and karma again). Humanity has been fallen ever since the start, but I know the time is short, it’s been “short” for a long while now, but we’re THIS close, everyone should be prepared, because Jesus isn’t coming back, he gave this time around to someone else coming IN PLACE OF, him. The Antichrist as Christians will call him, was given ALL POWER by God himself, lest you understand the ramifications of this you too will see him as “Satan”, and for many he SHALL BE, but to God, he is the ELECT ONE WHO WAS HIDDEN since the beginning of the world as recorded in the book of Enoch, the Comforter who comes to bring Jesus in REMEMBRANCE of him, the Son of Man. Jesus was the Son of God. He is OF the Seven yet is ALSO the Eighth and final King. The Seven are the Seven Spirits of God who are now in the Earth, they represent the Seven Seals and we are awaiting the opening OF the final one. The Sixth was already opened in 1866 as God revealed unto Man in and around Mexico during his time of manifestations which were recorded from 1866 to 1950. It’s been a long time since those events. We are closer than EVER to the last stage. His peace be with you.
There is no forgiveness in karma, therefore it is false. I have sinned , I deserve the wrath of God and the judgement of eternal separation from the presence of God (hell). Yet in His mercy , the Son of God took God's wrath for my sins upon Himself on the cross. In exchange, I receive His righteousness by faith. ❤️✝️🙏
It's funny we ask what kind of world we would like better? All that matters is the truth. God works all according to his own will. Very simple he is the potter who tells the end from the beginning. It's already done. Yes he is that big. From trees too people too animals so much detail too every hair on every head. Yes everything was already created and the world is just waiting for his plan too come too the end. It's already done. Relax your in good hands. He wills all to be saved. He does all his will. He will be all in all. We will all be one with god in the end. Each in their age. If anything that ever happened wasn't God's will? He would be a failure. That he is not. God does not sin. All is working for good. The cool part is he does it in such a way man has no idea they are under God's control all the time. This is all for us. It's all going too be for him when all come into the knowledge of the truth and we all love god and all. Good and evil are both from God for good. Contrast is everything. It mite look bad sometimes but how awesome it will be when god is finished controlling all and has brought all into love and there is no need too rule anymore because we are all one. He 8s so perfect we will all be good and not need rule because it will be in all of us and there will be no need for it anymore because god accomplished everything perfect too the point there is no need too reign over us anymore.
God is one , in all through all , everything that will happen/ has happened has already been written in his book. He controls everything all the time we have no free will it is all Gods will being done. Praise God he saves all in the end
The final Will will always be God's will, as you said but clarify something for me. Does He control the movement of every atom and molecule in our bodies too? and in the Universe? So, in this case it is God who always causes diseases. There aren't natural causes, Gos is always in charge. And how about the tower of Siloe that feel over some people who were killed. Was God in charge of that too? Could anyone give me a glimpse of what happened there since Jesus dismissed that those guys were killed just because they were sinners.
This video did not in any way answer the question nor even explain free will. But i can't believe the author of the video did not explain why God allows evil things to happen like killing of innocent children, genocide, total injustice on the powerless, etc.
God can still work all things according to his will, in spite of those acting with free will trying to thwart his will, and also using the free actions of men to accomplish his will. I see no reason to conclude that because God works everything to his will, that he controls all things. God says he wants certain things, and then he allows human beings the opportunity* to act otherwise (a thing he doesn't want) and obviously punishes them for it, and his purposes are ultimately fulfilled. God truly is the greatest player of 4D chess. (*I do believe there is a real choice here, call me a Pelagian if you must)
Why is it that John Piper never says a word about morality, nor that planet earth has but one purpose, to show why the realm of sin is a good and godly thing and why no sinner may be allowed back into heaven? But, preaching a fake salvation, is that not the main reason why 99% of sinners never gained salvation?
I don't believe God is in complete control over humans because if you take it back to the first humans he didn't control them not to sin, is clear that God wasn't controlling them. Now he is either really patience with us, or this is all part of his plan, or the bible is not the truth and is a made-up story to cover the truth of our origins
You limit God. God created Lucifer in Heaven. He knew when he created him that he was going to rise against him. He knew he was going to be cast out of heaven. God knew before he created Adam and Eve they were going to eat from the tree. He created that tree for that purpose. God predestined us before the foundations of the world. God created the adversary. It’s hard for your human mind to understand. But God is sovereign and his thoughts are not our thoughts. His ways are not our ways. He creates a vessel for honor and one for dishonor. God allowed Satan to sift Job like wheat. Why? Because God knew Job would not turn his back on him. Everything is for the glory of God. So much to it all.
The meaning of life is God, we were made for God, we were made in His image. We were made to have a relationship with God. See, God designed our world so that everything would exist in perfect harmony. He made humankind in His image, so that we had the capacity to worship Him and walk with Him. Because God created you, He loves you. You exist to glorify Him in a real relationship.Mankind has rebelled against God, choosing to live for ourselves instead of for Him. This rebellion, called sin, has come between us and God. This sin brings about brokenness in our personal lives, our relationships, and also our world. Not only has it separated us from Him and His perfect design, it also brings judgment and death.Because God loves us, He sent His only son Jesus to rescue us from our sins. The Bible says that “God shows his love for us in that while we were sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). Jesus lived a perfect life, died on the cross as payment for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the dead. His resurrection proves that God has accepted Jesus’ sacrifice for our sins. Believe in Him and the Holy Spirit will come in and lead you to go to Jesus in faith and trust in Him and trust in Him for salvation and repent of your sins and He will hear from Heaven and forgive you of your sins and cleanse you by His precious blood and the Holy Spirit will make you born again and you'll be saved from all sin and from death and from the enemy and from the wrath of God that's against sin. (Romans 5,6,7,8, John 3:16, 1 John 1:9). I'll be praying for you to come to know the true God of all and experience His true love and Holy Spirit and salvation and i pray you'll go to Him and get saved Amen in Jesus name
"God's soverinthy does not dimish humen's accountibility". #Truth
WTH are you rambling about?
@@CommandoJenkins yeah he doesn't make sense...
@@CommandoJenkins Lol his english gives me cancer!
@CommandoJenkins they are repeating what Piper said in the video, “Gods sovereignty does not diminish humans accountability”.
@@eduardopeguero5376it should though. He has control over my thoughts so why should i be responsible for them. Riddle me that paradox batman. Tell me something I haven’t heard before
The wisdom spoken here is mind blowing.
dude. no one can come to Jesus unless the Father who sent Him draws him.
I was searching for an answer and received the exact answer I was looking for. This all circles back around to Jesus. I believe in Jesus and have 100% trust in him alone. Nothing nor any person can harm me unless it is Gods will. If it be his will than so be it. I'm good with that.
I don’t know if I understand what you mean, therefore if my question below is not reflective of your comment, I apologize.
I’m just curious if you Would be okay with God willing you to hell as a reprobate as He does to the non-elect? Or are you okay because you know you’re one of His elect ? Aren’t you appalled at the thought that God would Will people from eternity past to be dead in sins and then be cast to hell for a decision He made on their behalf? Why would anyone want such God? I think Satan would be a more preferable option, after all Satan is also a victim of His sovereignty..if Calvinism is true.
Because Almighty God has everything preserved in a master tablet. All Praise belongs to Almighty God Alone.
Don't mind what's your religion bro ?
Praises to God for such podcast like this. 💛💛💛
Thank you! This video helped me out a lot! God bless!
I want to know my Bible the John Piper knows his Bible. In the meanwhile, listening to him is helping me get there faster.
Praise God for your desire!
_Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So do not be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows._ - Matt 10:29-31
_I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things._ - Isaiah 45:7-8
I know someone who doesn’t understand how God can control such a complex world. I want to explain to them but don’t really know how to word it. I’d be grateful for someone’s help. 🙏🏼
God's predestination of Christians is just _part_ of the _"all things" that are subject to His will._
Yeah you’re wording that very well. I’d say that God has the ability to control anything and everything. However I do believe in our free will that we have, and that doesn’t override God‘s power but I see that God has respected our decision making even if it’s flawed significantly. However if we ask him and we have faith I have seen actions taken that were not explained except for Gods ultimate power.
I know this is true. But it is still very painful when tragic things happen.
True freedom and joy are possible only by trusting in God. The inclination to rebel is always present with us, and especially in times of severe and prolonged suffering, but the grace of God protects us from falling and somehow always pulls us back to Himself. It is a constant battle through out life, even among the most faithful. God's love for us will never fail us. Have faith in God. We can be sorrowful, yet always rejoicing in our Mighty God. The Lord Jesus will not lose any that has trusted in Him. Have faith in God.
Yes, but understand that endurance, character, and hope are coming your way
Even though God is behind creation, that doesn't mean that God is behind everything that happens within creation.
Since God has given us free will, we are capable of being creators in our own right; including creating suffering for ourselves and others.
This particular misunderstanding, that God is causing our suffering and perhaps punishing us, is one of the most dangerous misunderstanding promoted by religious teachers; for how can we become free from suffering if we don't understand what's causing it?
As long as we believe that lie, we will blame God or others, or our circumstances for our suffering and not see that we are responsible for our suffering.
Our mistaken thinking, and the negative emotions and negative actions that flow from our thoughts causes our suffering.
Depending on what we choose to believe, and how we choose to respond to life; we create more Love in the world or the opposite.
When we choose to express the opposite of Love or cause harm, it is not God that is at fault.
God gifted us with the freedom to choose and to create, and we eventually learn from our choices to be better creators; to create happiness instead of suffering, and it is suffering that teaches us this; suffering points us away from what is anti-life, anti-Love.
Our own personal suffering is the so-called "punishment" we receive when we make choices that are not aligned with Love; that is the only "punishment" meted out by God.
We are designed to suffer whenever we miss the mark, which is the meaning of sin. The mark, the target or goal, is Love; we suffer whenever we fall out of alignment with Love.
Suffering and joy are part of the guidance system we've been given; the homing device, which when followed, will bring us back home to Love.
Suffering tells us that we are believing a lie or taking a wrong direction; while joy tells us the opposite.
If we don't want to suffer, then we must stop believing or doing what causes us and others suffering; and start believing and doing what brings peace, Love and joy.
Thanks. Well, I’m on a “sovereignty vs judgement” seeking God’s Kingdom journey.
If ALL this spoken is true. Then even this text is ordained?!
Am I right?
Were given free will
Like taking a test our actions have consequences
God knows everything
And alls you to think and act freely
But has seen it all
And allows you to make the decisions at heart that you want to make
But God uses everything for his will
He knows what you'll do and use it for Good
He knows the future and past
All for his Good
You can obey his will
Or do what you free want
But it all benefits God
Who if you love him
Know he loves his children
And knows them well
And protects them
And guides them here
Even if we suffer
Because heaven and Christ at the end are all that matter
@@soughtaftervessel4611 ok now use scripture
At the end, Piper says "what kind of world would you rather live in, one where God controls everything or one where things can happen apart from God's determinations?" How convenient that Piper's theology is the one that's most comforting to him. After that, the other guy says "the alternatives are not comforting." This should be about truth, not what's comforting. If God is the one controlling every detail of everything that happens, that's certainly a comforting world. In fact, it sounds like heaven. But that's certainly not what we see. There is real evil in the world and there are many people going to hell. If God was controlling every detail of everything that ever happens then we should be experiencing a very different world. God gave us free will which is why bad things happen, and it's on this basis that people are going to hell and it's why Jesus had to come to clean up our mess. Jesus didnt come to clean up His own mess. We freely choose sin, and are therefore accountable. God doesn't determine our sin. Just because God is omniscient and knows everything that will ever happen, that doesn't mean He determines everything that happens. Just because God gave us free will doesnt mean He is not sovereign. We have free will precisely *because* God is sovereign, and if God cannot give free will and be sovereign at the same time, He is not truly sovereign!
You should consider being a pastor. You are wise.
Exactly! Also God says he wants everyone to be saved and to join him in Heaven! If he determined everything then everyone alive would go to Heaven but we know that’s not true! He sacrifices his desire for companionship among his creation to give us free will!
I completely disagree with you.
I completely agree with you.
@@brennanjames1632 So you basically just admitted that God is NOT sovereign. How could God want something so badly, yet not be able to achieve it?
Circumstances are what mould by god
That's awesome.
Calvinism thy name is Fatalism!
If God is so utterly in control of everything we do, how could we call anything we do a sin? Isn't the very definition of a sin be the act of doing something outside the will of God? Because if it's not outside his will, then sinners are merely going through the motions. Making life meaningless and totally moot.
Yes
Sin is anything we do that is contrary to God's character not His will, man cannot thwart His will.
Exactly. If God controlled everything then our love for Him would be meaningless. God made us images of Him, meaning that He also gave us free will. Without our own power, we wouldn't be able to Do anything and He constantly says in the Bible to Do Good. God gave us the power we have but now the power is ours to do our will with. I went on a date 2 weeks ago and thought, this date is going well, thank God, its all God and none of me, and then all my confidence was lost bc I stopped listening and the date was destroyed. This proves that we have our OWN power and that we must use it. God says to Be strong Like Men, not weak passive pushovers that wait on God to give us our supper instead of working for it. We dont know how God works, but what we do know is that it is our responsibility to use the power He gave us to make sure we Dont Waste Our Lives.
@@elephantear7659 The Law also says to do all kinds of good and nobody was justified by the Law. Man has never had the power to do good in the sight of God, it is only by the grace of God that He gives out of His freedom as the creator of all things that allows us to do good. There is ZERO mention of the free will or volition of man in scripture.
@@youluvwud1934 it’s presumed
But “WHY”!???? Why did God take away my fun lifestyle in a great city and lose so much to fall into a deep depression? Why?
I don't believe that God is in control of everything at all times as some denominations preach, at least not in my experience. We are basically free to do what we want, when we want, good or bad, in this world. For some reason, God chooses to intervene once in a while maybe, out of pity, out of love, to reveal himself, or to get things/people back ontrack on his master plan. A lot of people imagine that their most minor accomplishments were due to God.
Let's say a person decides to praise God because he got his college degree. Now is God responsible for this person getting a college degree ? Nope, it was the person who went to the college to enroll, paid the fees, paid for the classes, paid for the books, stayed up all night long studying for tests to finally earn that degree. God had nothing to do with this. The person did that themselves maybe with the help of their parents ! Same can be said about a lot of things in life. Is God in control of the neighborhood drunk, for his condition ? Nope, the neighborhood drunk decided to orient their life in that manner for one reason, or another and holds full, or partial responsibility.
God can't be held responsible. Now of course if the neighborhood drunk yells out to God and God decides to listen and help them, that's another story. If the neighborhood drunk miraculously becomes sober, then they have all the right to praise God and be thankfull. This is what is called "divine intervention", or Grace and is usually done out of pity, out of love, or because God wants to reveal himself through that person.
How come that 'god-hating' atheist on the hill is rich and that humble, god-loving, nice, pious guy in the valley is living in poverty ? Isn't God in control ? Nope, we are. God gave us dominion over our planet and our lives, therefore we are free to make our own decisions. The incident in the Mystical Garden of Eden further cemented that reality. Why does God intervene in the lives of some and not others ? Again out of pity, out of love, or because that person was chosen to steer things in the way God wants things to go and it's not always the way Man wants things to go.
Why doesn't God intervene for everybody ? You mean 8 Billion people ? One day a married couple decides to let their 2 boys and their friends go hicking in the nearby forest. The kids should have been back by sunset, but nobody knows where they are and it's getting dark. The frantic parents decide to rent a helicopter with heat-sensing technology to find the kids in the forrest. They eventually find the kids and take them back home, their 2 boys and the other kids. The kids are grateful and praise the couple for being rescued. The couple in this case, intervened out of pity, or out of love. It's clear the friends of the 2 boys also benefitted from this intervention by the parents of the 2 boys. Now were the parents responsible for the kids being lost ? Nope, the kids got lost by themselves for one reason or another, the parents had nothing to do with it, they were not let's say 'in full control'.
In most cases, it was YOU who hit that homerun, it was you who scored that touch down, it was you who purchased that Ferrari, or that home, it was you who got that promotion, so praise yourself ! Of course it doesn't mean that you didn't get a little help along the way. It doesn't mean that God 'incognito' didn't pull some strings behind the scenes to facilitate your success. This is why we should never be too proud of our so-called accomplishments, or to take all the credit...
The fundamental issue in question is my Catholicism vs your Protestantism. Since ya'll are about the bible I will direct you to some verses. Romans 1:20, Deut 30:19, James 1:13, Gal 2:17. The last vs is Sirach 15:14. (And yes the book of Sirach was removed from the bible by your protestants after 15 centuries of legitimacy.) Sir 15:14 "When God in the beginning created man he made him in the subject of his own free will."
Finally, if in fact, we have no free will, then not even absolute love of us is required by God to sacrifice his son for our salvation; at which point "by faith alone" is irrelevant since we are all predestined to either believe or not. It is precisely because we have free will that our Father sacrificed his only son. But faith in Jesus alone isn't sufficient for salvation. Faith in itself is a verb and requires action... good works are in fact required. Otherwise, Hitler can full well believe in Christ, yet still, be saved.
I think it's important to strive for perfection through Jesus Christ; however, we fall short of the glory of God and need to realize that at the end of the day, Jesus is the only one who can save us. We need to try to be Holy by repenting (choosing to be obedient to God instead of choosing to take pleasure in our sinful desires), and trusting that Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection was enough for our sins to be forgiven.
For example, if I was an atheist on my death bed, and I sincerely apologized to God for my sins and asked for Jesus to be my Lord and Savior, I know that I would be forgiven by God through Jesus Christ without works. "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise." God would not turn you away if you decide in your heart and truly believe that He is more valuable than your own sinful desires, and that God can forgive those sins because of what Jesus did for all of us.
However, if I was healthy and did the same thing, I would start desiring to do good works because I love and delight in the Lord our God, as well as my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. "Delight in the Lord, and He will give you the desires of your heart."
I also want to make sure everyone knows that Jesus loved sinners, but He did not encourage them to sin nor was He okay with people sinning. You can't be sexual immoral (LQBTG, adultery, porn, etc.), or a murderer, a thief, a liar, etc, and expect Jesus to be okay with that. Don't justify your sin by creating a fake god that is okay with the above sins.
I think you wanted to say "Calvinism", not "Protestantism".
Not all of us - in fact, the majority of Protestants view Calvinism as heresy.
People were bringing little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15 Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” 16 And he took the children in his arms, placed his hands on them and blessed them. Mark 10:13-16
Yet Calvinists like John Piper rebuke anyone coming to Jesus, telling them they can’t come!
They hinder them with John Calvins false gospel.
They tell those coming, that the kingdom only belongs to them, “THE ELECT”!
They do not receive anyone coming to Jesus, they rebuke them.
They them selves will not enter the Kingdom, because they will not receive Jesus like a child.
They reject Jesus, while Jesus welcomes and blesses everyone who comes to Him.
So, when a small child dies as a result of the weather, what should anyone think about?
If God is in control of everything, I need help understanding this.
According to Ephesians 2:2 Satan is the prince of the power of the air so when a tornado kills a child that was Satan's idea. How can Satan have any power like that? John 19:11 "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above." How could a loving God let something terrible like that happen?? Romans 8:28 "we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him." I can't give any more detailed of an answer than this because I am an actor in this stage play that God is directing. When the play is over (or when my part in it is over and I am called backstage to talk with the Director) I will have an eternity in which to begin to understand how He orchestrated such a complex universe into being the best possible one.
@@AnnoyingMoose thanks I'm good now
So the ways is mans will but...final decision is of god.
So God determines and decrees people to do what He has commanded them not to do?
How do you explain Ecclesiastes where it says time and chance happens to us all? It looks like either God would be in control or time and chance.
Ecc. 3:14-15
Is God also in control when bad things happen? Why did he let my sister to die so young through the hand of someone?
To those who will quickly say “but what about the suffering in the world and those born with illnesses, sick, disabled, etc” any bad thing they can name.
The Lord himself says “the Earth is a spiritual purification ground, you DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY LIVES your spirit has lived and karma, being a spiritual law, although NOT taught in the Bible is implied by Jesus as in “to enter the kingdom you will HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN”, he meant that twofold, as in reincarnation of the spirit, because you’re not only born once, the spirit continues along a ladder of evolution so many are atoning for their past mistakes NOW and then those who are IGNORANT (ignorance is also innocence to God, UNLESS you are aware of things you do and pretend to be blameless) are the ones that say that it’s not biblical, when in reality it is.
The truth is, God has always been good, simply put, and since the Tribulation hasn’t even started yet, we still have so much left to come, Two Suns, the crossing of planet 9, three days of darkness during its transit (close your doors and windows during this time), major wars, invasions, demonic plagues, major quakes, the list goes on and on and on and men will still blame God for all of this when the final truth is as he said “You all hold a piece of my spirit within you, if you only KNEW of your light, how to have charity with one another and live in harmony, you would not have to endure the bitter chalice which you YOURSELVES attract” (referencing the power of your own mind and karma again).
Humanity has been fallen ever since the start, but I know the time is short, it’s been “short” for a long while now, but we’re THIS close, everyone should be prepared, because Jesus isn’t coming back, he gave this time around to someone else coming IN PLACE OF, him.
The Antichrist as Christians will call him, was given ALL POWER by God himself, lest you understand the ramifications of this you too will see him as “Satan”, and for many he SHALL BE, but to God, he is the ELECT ONE WHO WAS HIDDEN since the beginning of the world as recorded in the book of Enoch, the Comforter who comes to bring Jesus in REMEMBRANCE of him, the Son of Man.
Jesus was the Son of God.
He is OF the Seven yet is ALSO the Eighth and final King.
The Seven are the Seven Spirits of God who are now in the Earth, they represent the Seven Seals and we are awaiting the opening OF the final one.
The Sixth was already opened in 1866 as God revealed unto Man in and around Mexico during his time of manifestations which were recorded from 1866 to 1950.
It’s been a long time since those events.
We are closer than EVER to the last stage.
His peace be with you.
There is no forgiveness in karma, therefore it is false.
I have sinned , I deserve the wrath of God and the judgement of eternal separation from the presence of God (hell).
Yet in His mercy , the Son of God took God's wrath for my sins upon Himself on the cross. In exchange, I receive His righteousness by faith.
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It's funny we ask what kind of world we would like better? All that matters is the truth. God works all according to his own will. Very simple he is the potter who tells the end from the beginning. It's already done. Yes he is that big. From trees too people too animals so much detail too every hair on every head. Yes everything was already created and the world is just waiting for his plan too come too the end. It's already done. Relax your in good hands. He wills all to be saved. He does all his will. He will be all in all. We will all be one with god in the end. Each in their age. If anything that ever happened wasn't God's will? He would be a failure. That he is not. God does not sin. All is working for good. The cool part is he does it in such a way man has no idea they are under God's control all the time. This is all for us. It's all going too be for him when all come into the knowledge of the truth and we all love god and all. Good and evil are both from God for good. Contrast is everything. It mite look bad sometimes but how awesome it will be when god is finished controlling all and has brought all into love and there is no need too rule anymore because we are all one. He 8s so perfect we will all be good and not need rule because it will be in all of us and there will be no need for it anymore because god accomplished everything perfect too the point there is no need too reign over us anymore.
God is one , in all through all , everything that will happen/ has happened has already been written in his book. He controls everything all the time we have no free will it is all Gods will being done. Praise God he saves all in the end
The final Will will always be God's will, as you said but clarify something for me. Does He control the movement of every atom and molecule in our bodies too? and in the Universe? So, in this case it is God who always causes diseases. There aren't natural causes, Gos is always in charge. And how about the tower of Siloe that feel over some people who were killed. Was God in charge of that too? Could anyone give me a glimpse of what happened there since Jesus dismissed that those guys were killed just because they were sinners.
This video did not in any way answer the question nor even explain free will. But i can't believe the author of the video did not explain why God allows evil things to happen like killing of innocent children, genocide, total injustice on the powerless, etc.
God can still work all things according to his will, in spite of those acting with free will trying to thwart his will, and also using the free actions of men to accomplish his will. I see no reason to conclude that because God works everything to his will, that he controls all things. God says he wants certain things, and then he allows human beings the opportunity* to act otherwise (a thing he doesn't want) and obviously punishes them for it, and his purposes are ultimately fulfilled. God truly is the greatest player of 4D chess. (*I do believe there is a real choice here, call me a Pelagian if you must)
Why is it that John Piper never says a word about morality, nor that planet earth has but one purpose, to show why the realm of sin is a good and godly thing and why no sinner may be allowed back into heaven? But, preaching a fake salvation, is that not the main reason why 99% of sinners never gained salvation?
He speaks on sanctification all the time
Please help, I am trying to understand.. is Pastor Piper saying that abortions and child abuse are God's will??
His understanding of this topic makes it seem that way, but he will never say it.
Which is why I can never agree with Piper’s theology on this matter.
He rises the sun on the righteous and the wicked
Why did Jesus pray your will be done on earth as it is in heaven? Possibly bc He doesn't ordain sin.
No
Nope.
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Armenian vs Calvinist 😑
I don't believe God is in complete control over humans because if you take it back to the first humans he didn't control them not to sin, is clear that God wasn't controlling them. Now he is either really patience with us, or this is all part of his plan, or the bible is not the truth and is a made-up story to cover the truth of our origins
You limit God. God created Lucifer in Heaven. He knew when he created him that he was going to rise against him. He knew he was going to be cast out of heaven. God knew before he created Adam and Eve they were going to eat from the tree. He created that tree for that purpose.
God predestined us before the foundations of the world. God created the adversary. It’s hard for your human mind to understand. But God is sovereign and his thoughts are not our thoughts. His ways are not our ways.
He creates a vessel for honor and one for dishonor.
God allowed Satan to sift Job like wheat. Why? Because God knew Job would not turn his back on him.
Everything is for the glory of God.
So much to it all.
I dont believe so, free will is one obstacle for him. Period,
Lol idk then. What’s point of living?
For pleasure?
Idk. Nvm
God too big to know 😳?
Ou lala
Wisdom overloads?
We are born in this world for God's
glory and purpose, not a joy ride
The meaning of life is God, we were made for God, we were made in His image. We were made to have a relationship with God. See, God designed our world so that everything would exist in perfect harmony. He made humankind in His image, so that we had the capacity to worship Him and walk with Him. Because God created you, He loves you. You exist to glorify Him in a real relationship.Mankind has rebelled against God, choosing to live for ourselves instead of for Him. This rebellion, called sin, has come between us and God. This sin brings about brokenness in our personal lives, our relationships, and also our world. Not only has it separated us from Him and His perfect design, it also brings judgment and death.Because God loves us, He sent His only son Jesus to rescue us from our sins. The Bible says that “God shows his love for us in that while we were sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). Jesus lived a perfect life, died on the cross as payment for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the dead. His resurrection proves that God has accepted Jesus’ sacrifice for our sins. Believe in Him and the Holy Spirit will come in and lead you to go to Jesus in faith and trust in Him and trust in Him for salvation and repent of your sins and He will hear from Heaven and forgive you of your sins and cleanse you by His precious blood and the Holy Spirit will make you born again and you'll be saved from all sin and from death and from the enemy and from the wrath of God that's against sin. (Romans 5,6,7,8, John 3:16, 1 John 1:9). I'll be praying for you to come to know the true God of all and experience His true love and Holy Spirit and salvation and i pray you'll go to Him and get saved Amen in Jesus name
God doesn't intervene in the free will of human
Not according to Scripture
God is not a he, I refer to god as bigger overlay
God referred to Himself as "He" all throughout scripture
This is a false teaching