Hugh hands reviews are weird. Cant help but feel like he either spews or wants to spew so he constructs villains range and behaviour exactly to what he needs it to be to allow that. When he then finds a hand that doesnt go disasterously wrong he marks it and brings it to carrot corner to show how genius his play was.
I checked Hughs play yesterday. TT hand. On the river, it's a VALUE JAM. Beleave it or not. Lookup GTO WIzard NL 500 CG solution. It's crazy. It all holds true when 99d and 50%88d are calling. It blocks like crazy amount of value. Still, it's a debatable play against human. What I do not like is the jargon, the accusations and all of the hate. Stay currious. Stay objective. Haters will continue play NL 25.
Yep thats what I was gonna guess. CC teaches people how to not punt and how to find the safe line. If someone want's to crush and move up they gotta play the thin spots.
@@julianfaron I respect your comment. I want to inform you that you use accuse CPS (CC as you said) of something very broad and general. I just want to understand your point - where you got this impression from? Because you see the spot we are talking about is definitely non-standard. It's hard to blame Pete here as he also have been quite open minded to the play. He didn't understand the fine-grained details of the spot - I suppose all humans will struggle to find this. I think it's very bad edicate to blame someones whole teaching skills / the whole CPS because he is not able to solve a very complicated matter. Even if Hughs shove is correct in theory, one need to discuss if the play is correct against Humans. Pete is the one of the only few coaches who are applying GTO in a more meaningful manner. TRUE EV! I am being now as blunt and gerneral as you are. I just want to thank you. I hope there are a lot of "bad" solver-robot-humans out there I can crush. Hopefully you are better than that to even be challenging.
The problem is when he says things like the pool is too nitty therefore we should check back the A8dd and the AK from a few videos earlier. But then against said pool he says 3rd nuts is a value jam. Regardless of what solver says, this is a logical inconsistency aka a contradiction. This shows that he may be using RTA bc no human ever raises here for value ever. If he had said as a bluff then it would’ve been perfectly acceptable. Hate using this phrase, but stay woke/awake. Always question everything 👀
@@NoLongerGrilling Can you point out the video where he said that? And do you mean Hugh or Pete? I see your argument. Still, it could a fine choice to play differently against this exact opponent - it's to long ago that I know if he had a read or not. I definitely filter all of the content. We should avoid living in our own "Poker bubble" where only the arguments we like are used to self-asure our plays. We need people who constantly question our decisions at the game. I am of course a bit blinded as I like the content and it help me to grow (in gerneral).
Trying to wrap my head around the TTd value jam. Hugh is saying V's B75 Lead is heavily weighted towards medium value 2P, Sets that may call of sometimes and then bluffs which the TT is already beating. The assumption is V never puts nutflushes and Khi flushes into B75 leadline, while given the 3B! pre villain is in theory still uncapped. Not sure I like and or understand the jam it seems like you need some really strong validation of exploitative assumptions for a JAM to be the correct play there the majority of the time. But then again just a chatpro here.
37:20 I paused the video here to think for myself why hugh jammed river. My first thoughts are that, as far as suited hands which are diamonds in villains range, they have very few flushes which beat us if you count the combos in their range. AKdd, A9dd, A5dd, A3dd these hands find barrels on the turn frequently. K9dd of diamonds is on the cusp of the preflop 3-betting range. But what about the offsuit hand flushes in villains range? I think there are a tonne right? AQo, KQo, AJo , each of these hands with a diamond can find some turn checks right? Do we say that AQo or AJo flushes bet the turn frequently? Do we also say that AA and KK with a diamond barrel turn frequently? KK and AA diamonds can easily check imo What are we hoping to get called by with jamming river though? Or is he perhaps discounting a lot of the Ace diamond combos, and trying to king of diamonds to fold? Alright, time to unpause. Edit: Unpaused, seems he was trying to get called by worse somehow. I don't see it. Nothing worse than a flush calls. 88's, 99's , 77's, 66's open action on this river and then call a shove? Seems unlikely. I prefer just calling river, or the logic of trying to get K diamonds to fold
@@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 he claims the pool is nitty so he doesn’t value bet the A8dd hand OTR and checks back (understandable). Then raises all in over a big sizing with 3rd nuts for “value” vs said pool 🤦🏽♂️ Make it make sense.
@@NoLongerGrillingwhen you really analyse it, the shove can only work as a bluff, to the degree that it works at all to fold out K diamonds. While pocket pairs from 99-66 are sometimes present from preflop ranges, they can be quite sparse in how much they compose SB range, and they are unlikely to re-open imo, unless they go for a block bet. But 66% pot isn't a block bet. If SB is bluffing on the river, you only have to call. I think the EV of call on the river is just easily the better option Vs a bluff happy SB
@@NoLongerGrillingyeah the contrast is jarring, between not betting A8s on the river to shoving with TT. But I think it shows he's a thinking player in every spot and he's mostly doing well
Yeah exactly, if he said a bluff I would’ve been on board and even loved the play. The moment he said value he lost me completely. He may be a thinking player but an extremely flawed one.
Punt. Even value raising w/ the Kd would be thin, so value raising when you block the third flush is a punt. And as a bluff, trying to make the Kd fold would be extremely optimistic.
For the A8d hand , when I’m in that spot with nutty hand my first instinct is to what’s the size allow me to lower the spr slightly below one and make my opponent emotionally attach to the pot so they will call a jam on river . I think bet small you just always let sets and stuff off the hook where if you b60% they sometimes say fuck it I only need to call 75% pot at then end and I finally flop a set etc and flick it in
Because he doesn't understand that people at 200nl don't understand perfect sizings in every spot. People will absolutely bet 75% with the Kd or Ad on the river here because they dont know what size to do so they just press the 75% button.
that 10's shove is terrible, i feel with ur explanation, even u dont know what u did but yea thats where its seen that u are not enough experiance in game and u will make this mistakes
I'm REALLY not liking that TT hand. As a bluff, the one and ONLY hand that it's pushing out and gaining equity from MAY be the Kd, but even THAT may make a crying call. EVERY other hands he beats for value and IMHO none of them can would/call on a 4 flush board. Even top set or a set of 5's with the 5d, making a b75 on the river is NOT calling, because bluffs are LITERALLY non-existent on this board.
AQ lost to AA KK KJ TT QTs QQ 77 A7s 67s 78s. Only KQ QJs can mostly call.. I think the hand does not fit into >50% equity after called , probably not even 40. I think check fold, if once in a blue moon guy decided to be sticky with AK and turn into a bluff I will just give it to him
There is no value in having Hugh on unless you're trying to show us the thought process of a losing semi-reg thing. Even if this guy wins in the pool, he has no systematic approach, constantly says things that contradict each other and FPS's at an insane clip. How can a low stakes player learn from this? I predict he has a 30-40 buy in downswing in these games and we never hear from him again.
Look it up, it's very GTO... that alone does not make it a good play. But it's really crazy that Hugh found it. Credit him. If you don't know how to look it up, that you should question your skill level.
@@teeraw4575 are micros tough, personally I like his game and he speaks well and knows his game, he is a high stakes live player and a 200 NL online player. listen to Petes intro again
I like the AQ hand fs. Would play it the same myself, really good line and sizing otr. In the A8dd that’s a way better check back than the AK. Like, infinitely. Esp if you’re building a small sizing OTT with your range that means that u can also bet sets and top two yourself, so you’re going to have boats as well. Betting small and folding is an option but only vs very weak players. Against anyone competent then pure check is best imo. The TT is beyond awful. Im sorry but don’t ever bring this nonsense back on the channel, omg.
Hugh hands reviews are weird.
Cant help but feel like he either spews or wants to spew so he constructs villains range and behaviour exactly to what he needs it to be to allow that.
When he then finds a hand that doesnt go disasterously wrong he marks it and brings it to carrot corner to show how genius his play was.
I checked Hughs play yesterday. TT hand.
On the river, it's a VALUE JAM. Beleave it or not. Lookup GTO WIzard NL 500 CG solution.
It's crazy. It all holds true when 99d and 50%88d are calling.
It blocks like crazy amount of value.
Still, it's a debatable play against human.
What I do not like is the jargon, the accusations and all of the hate. Stay currious. Stay objective. Haters will continue play NL 25.
Yep thats what I was gonna guess. CC teaches people how to not punt and how to find the safe line. If someone want's to crush and move up they gotta play the thin spots.
@@julianfaron I respect your comment. I want to inform you that you use accuse CPS (CC as you said) of something very broad and general. I just want to understand your point - where you got this impression from? Because you see the spot we are talking about is definitely non-standard. It's hard to blame Pete here as he also have been quite open minded to the play. He didn't understand the fine-grained details of the spot - I suppose all humans will struggle to find this.
I think it's very bad edicate to blame someones whole teaching skills / the whole CPS because he is not able to solve a very complicated matter. Even if Hughs shove is correct in theory, one need to discuss if the play is correct against Humans.
Pete is the one of the only few coaches who are applying GTO in a more meaningful manner. TRUE EV!
I am being now as blunt and gerneral as you are.
I just want to thank you. I hope there are a lot of "bad" solver-robot-humans out there I can crush. Hopefully you are better than that to even be challenging.
The problem is when he says things like the pool is too nitty therefore we should check back the A8dd and the AK from a few videos earlier. But then against said pool he says 3rd nuts is a value jam. Regardless of what solver says, this is a logical inconsistency aka a contradiction. This shows that he may be using RTA bc no human ever raises here for value ever. If he had said as a bluff then it would’ve been perfectly acceptable.
Hate using this phrase, but stay woke/awake. Always question everything 👀
@@NoLongerGrilling Can you point out the video where he said that? And do you mean Hugh or Pete?
I see your argument. Still, it could a fine choice to play differently against this exact opponent - it's to long ago that I know if he had a read or not.
I definitely filter all of the content. We should avoid living in our own "Poker bubble" where only the arguments we like are used to self-asure our plays. We need people who constantly question our decisions at the game.
I am of course a bit blinded as I like the content and it help me to grow (in gerneral).
That's mental, quite surprised by that
Trying to wrap my head around the TTd value jam.
Hugh is saying V's B75 Lead is heavily weighted towards medium value 2P, Sets that may call of sometimes and then bluffs which the TT is already beating.
The assumption is V never puts nutflushes and Khi flushes into B75 leadline, while given the 3B! pre villain is in theory still uncapped.
Not sure I like and or understand the jam it seems like you need some really strong validation of exploitative assumptions for a JAM to be the correct play there the majority of the time.
But then again just a chatpro here.
37:20 I paused the video here to think for myself why hugh jammed river. My first thoughts are that, as far as suited hands which are diamonds in villains range, they have very few flushes which beat us if you count the combos in their range. AKdd, A9dd, A5dd, A3dd these hands find barrels on the turn frequently. K9dd of diamonds is on the cusp of the preflop 3-betting range.
But what about the offsuit hand flushes in villains range? I think there are a tonne right? AQo, KQo, AJo , each of these hands with a diamond can find some turn checks right? Do we say that AQo or AJo flushes bet the turn frequently? Do we also say that AA and KK with a diamond barrel turn frequently? KK and AA diamonds can easily check imo
What are we hoping to get called by with jamming river though? Or is he perhaps discounting a lot of the Ace diamond combos, and trying to king of diamonds to fold? Alright, time to unpause.
Edit: Unpaused, seems he was trying to get called by worse somehow. I don't see it. Nothing worse than a flush calls. 88's, 99's , 77's, 66's open action on this river and then call a shove? Seems unlikely. I prefer just calling river, or the logic of trying to get K diamonds to fold
@@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 he claims the pool is nitty so he doesn’t value bet the A8dd hand OTR and checks back (understandable). Then raises all in over a big sizing with 3rd nuts for “value” vs said pool 🤦🏽♂️
Make it make sense.
@@NoLongerGrillingwhen you really analyse it, the shove can only work as a bluff, to the degree that it works at all to fold out K diamonds.
While pocket pairs from 99-66 are sometimes present from preflop ranges, they can be quite sparse in how much they compose SB range, and they are unlikely to re-open imo, unless they go for a block bet. But 66% pot isn't a block bet.
If SB is bluffing on the river, you only have to call. I think the EV of call on the river is just easily the better option Vs a bluff happy SB
@@NoLongerGrillingyeah the contrast is jarring, between not betting A8s on the river to shoving with TT. But I think it shows he's a thinking player in every spot and he's mostly doing well
Yeah exactly, if he said a bluff I would’ve been on board and even loved the play. The moment he said value he lost me completely. He may be a thinking player but an extremely flawed one.
TT for a value is a solver line, and he couldn't reasonably explain it. Sus.
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Reminds me of pos cheater hans nieman cheating in chess and completely embarrass himself at the highest level with patzer level reasoning.
Is it actually?
@@NoLongerGrilling rofl
@@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 i promise…
@@yoniker83 Are you sure it isn't a bit too hasty to call him a cheater?
Idk with TT, instinct says hate it, your friends say shes bad for you but you just can’t stop looking at her 😏
So so interesting to hear you guys discuss! Looking forward to part 2
Punt.
Even value raising w/ the Kd would be thin, so value raising when you block the third flush is a punt. And as a bluff, trying to make the Kd fold would be extremely optimistic.
For the A8d hand , when I’m in that spot with nutty hand my first instinct is to what’s the size allow me to lower the spr slightly below one and make my opponent emotionally attach to the pot so they will call a jam on river . I think bet small you just always let sets and stuff off the hook where if you b60% they sometimes say fuck it I only need to call 75% pot at then end and I finally flop a set etc and flick it in
Why can the opponent in the TT hand 'never' have the Ad when he bets p75?
Bc he said so, basically.
Because he doesn't understand that people at 200nl don't understand perfect sizings in every spot. People will absolutely bet 75% with the Kd or Ad on the river here because they dont know what size to do so they just press the 75% button.
Last hand was pure genius
that 10's shove is terrible, i feel with ur explanation, even u dont know what u did but yea thats where its seen that u are not enough experiance in game and u will make this mistakes
I'm REALLY not liking that TT hand. As a bluff, the one and ONLY hand that it's pushing out and gaining equity from MAY be the Kd, but even THAT may make a crying call. EVERY other hands he beats for value and IMHO none of them can would/call on a 4 flush board. Even top set or a set of 5's with the 5d, making a b75 on the river is NOT calling, because bluffs are LITERALLY non-existent on this board.
nice to see such a creative player like hugh on! that TT play is WILD
AQ lost to AA KK KJ TT QTs QQ 77 A7s 67s 78s. Only KQ QJs can mostly call.. I think the hand does not fit into >50% equity after called , probably not even 40. I think check fold, if once in a blue moon guy decided to be sticky with AK and turn into a bluff I will just give it to him
There is no value in having Hugh on unless you're trying to show us the thought process of a losing semi-reg thing. Even if this guy wins in the pool, he has no systematic approach, constantly says things that contradict each other and FPS's at an insane clip. How can a low stakes player learn from this?
I predict he has a 30-40 buy in downswing in these games and we never hear from him again.
First hand is easy check/fold on river
Last hand is beyond awful 😂😂
Wow, omg… and i thought the AK hand was bad 🤦🏽♂️
It’s a hugh blunder
Look it up, it's very GTO... that alone does not make it a good play. But it's really crazy that Hugh found it. Credit him.
If you don't know how to look it up, that you should question your skill level.
Hugh should make a course on micros for us plebs he must of crushed as he move up so quickly
hes 100% not a winning player at 200 zoom. why would you want a live player making a course for tough online games
@@teeraw4575 are micros tough, personally I like his game and he speaks well and knows his game, he is a high stakes live player and a 200 NL online player. listen to Petes intro again
@@teeraw4575 Hugh plays poker like Paganini played his Stradivarius, lets have more Hugh
The TT hand is just bad, not a youtube troll, not whatever, just isn't good
hand 1 pool underfolds in BC-X-F line so we can gain EV with AQ in this line after flop XR
Username checks out 😈
@johngriller4997 😈
I like the AQ hand fs. Would play it the same myself, really good line and sizing otr.
In the A8dd that’s a way better check back than the AK. Like, infinitely. Esp if you’re building a small sizing OTT with your range that means that u can also bet sets and top two yourself, so you’re going to have boats as well.
Betting small and folding is an option but only vs very weak players. Against anyone competent then pure check is best imo.
The TT is beyond awful. Im sorry but don’t ever bring this nonsense back on the channel, omg.
Why are you getting highly gto oriented players on the channel, it contradicts with your teachings and makes the content tense to watch
They’re just vibing
YDDTPTG
The game is dead, otb_hugh is post solver