Man, I really wish that those designers would include more art-deco in their designs. Some of the most iconic (and imo best looking) NYC skyscrapers follow the art-deco design language, and I personally think that with today's technology, we could build absolutely STUNNING art-deco towers.
Agreed. Art Deco is one of NYC most defining styles. At least DeKalb in Brooklyn is kind of a homage to that style. The facade looks really cool. Can't wait to see it in person. Personally I would love to see supertalls in the style of the Empire State and Chrysler Buildings but with a clean, new art deco facade of gold or black.
@@ilarivaisanen The thin ones are awesome, but neo-art deco style supertalls (higher than Empire State) would be awesome and classy at the same time and not necessarily old-stylish. Off topic: oisivat voineet tehdä kalasataman torneista vähän jännemmän näkösiä. :D
Agreed! I love the look of all the new buildings in the last 15 years on the east side built in the pre war style- sometimes just copying and sometimes pushing the boundaries out but not cartoonishly like post-modernism did; as if the the pre war period never ended and just kept improving.
Where are they going to get all the office workers to fill the office spaces in these buildings? There's already an abundance of partially empty office buildings. Edit - April 2nd, 2024 - Manhattan has hit an all-time high vacancy rate of, depending on the source 19.8% to 22.8%. This isn't getting any better and with the influx of migrants... is likely to get worse! Edit - October 7th, 2024 - Now the Chrysler Building is at risk for failure to pay their rent due to a lack of occupied office spaces. Commercial realty in Manhattan is collapsing. Delinquency rate: The delinquency rate for Manhattan office buildings increased from 0.57% in January 2023 to 6.28% in January 2024.
I hear you but maybe their thought is that if you create new office space, in uniquely designed building with different layouts and more amenities, you’ll create an environment that people actually don’t mind getting out of the bed and tolerating traffic and public transportation to get to.
@@jst4572 - No disrespect intended but that's totally irrelevant. For most folks, no matter how "sweet" the facility, most will choose to work from home if possible. Look at the amazing facilities and benefits that Google and Apple offer their employees and yet most piss and moan about having to come back to the office.
@@jondobson It's not that it looks bad, it just seems a shame to tear down an historic hotel to put it there. It's all about location - if there's no room in Manhattan, what's the problem with putting some of these towers in Brooklyn?
The Commodore is far too massive in my opinion. Interestingly, the bases and entrances seem to be the new attractions for tourists. It used to be about going to the upper decks, now it's more about the inside and outside areas. That's clever very nice. It's a new experience of proportion and scale as Google Earth has given us all the bird-like views for granted. There are also a lot more commercial opportunities in the bases than on the top decks. None of this is a coincidence.
Loving the modern gothic-inspired art deco style. We need more art deco, especially New York. most beautiful buildings, even prettier than the gilded styles. more up shining lights please
I absolutely love the Commodore Tower. It's elegant, blends in beautifully with the surroundings, and contrary to what the narrator suggested I find it doesn't detract at all from any surrounding historical buildings but rather compliments them. I hope that some of the building is dedicated to residential use not just office use since more people can work from home now.
yeah but most 1990s skyscrapers also take wedding cake formations with callback elements, also what do you mean by historical building, history doesen't end at the invention of modern architecture and within 30 years modern architecture is entering the preservation sphere
Although it is sad that the monuments of the past are getting overshadowed, but in my opinion it actually embodies New York. New York was, is, and will always be an ever-changing city. It's the place where one came, built an empire, and push another generation of empires to rise even taller. The Empire State Building and Chrysler buildings were and will always be one of the main identities of New York, that's why they can't be and shouldn't be demolished. They should stand and last until the day New York die. But their existence shouldn't slow New York. Just like how countless companies rise and fall in New York, perhaps it's time for the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building to be overshadowed. Just like how the St.Patrick's Cathedral's spires were once a major landmark in the New York Skyline, now it's not even noticable. YET, it doesn't diminish it's importance and it's impact on New York. Change will always happen whether we like it or not, as long as New York continues to be a global powerhouse, it's not a matter of If the two iconic giants will be overshadowed, it's always been a matter of when. Maybe, just maybe, this decade is that time.
the big problem with 2010s and 2020s era architecture is its doing to 1950s-1980s era buildings what those buildings did to previous eras of architecture with the mass demolition, while we may not consider modern buildings of equal importance now it is inevitable that architectural taste will grow fonder on them, the rectangles of the 50s and 60s receive much less hatred and disdain then they had in the 2000s, and the importance of significant modern buildings will shoot up, also structurally many 2020s era buildings are weaker than their older counterparts. compare a tract home in the 90s and a tract home today, significant architectural build quality decline in only what, 30 years? in 30/40 years these 2010s/2020s neo-modernist towers will start to be considered "dated, boring, ugly architecture" just like what we consider modernism now and just how they felt about traditional styles in the 50s, architectural taste is a big cycle even if 1950s-1970s architecture isint loved yet, it still deserves historic preservation, it also depends on area, Chicago cares much more about their modern architecture than new york, the city is identified with mies van de rohe styled modern architecture more than its older ornamented buildings, although they still receive a spotlight its nowhere as big as the second chicago wave's publicity
Nah; you're either a bot or drinking the Kool-Aid. New York is more pathetic now than ever before, the city is dying because of skyscrapers, yet they keep building them as a desperate cry for attention and nothing else. The streets are empty, people are leaving, and the quality of life continues to plummet; yet they build these ugly unnecessary reprobate-architecture monstrosities that will remain unoccupied forever; it seems these clowns didn't learn from the demented fiasco of Hudson Yards.
Yes, but at least build something nice to look at. The Commodore building looks bulky and terrible in its design and would be an eyesore on the skyline. It needs to be scaled down. The way it looks now it'll unbalance midtown.
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I agree. It will also get inevitably overrun with addicts and aliens. These 'community contributions' are a scam dreamed up by idiots at planning offices.
Given that so much office space is lying vacant in NYC even now, does it make sense that all 5 of these buildings seemed only to be for commercial use?
@@gabrielzachary9704 true in amount of buildings over 150 meters however NYC has almost 3x as many 300 meter or taller buildings than Hong Kong and Dubai has even more.
in terms of what the criteria of a sky scraper is, HK is King. Period. Manhattan has cultural appeal driven by films of the last 50 years, no doubt the most influential city on earth of the 20th century @@ehaddad6
Commodore tower looks cool and very New York, however location needs to be changed as too close to the iconic Chrysler building which is perhaps New York's most famous landmark along with the empire state building.
@@philausa9629 It's a lot similar to London - which has the same issue and is doing the same thing (office vacancy, despite building new office skyscrapers). What is actually happening is: the office vacancy comes from big companies not wanting to purchase space in existing buildings (as the newer buildings are superior, for obvious reasons). Thats why they have the confidence to build these structures, because unlike older buildings that are struggling, the space in these new buildings will sell fast and for big money (because people actually want to work in them). Office vacancy will reduce with the more old 70s/80s/90s buildings that are replaced or refurbished.
The lengths of the tower in the world in Dubai are 200 floors and more towers have 140 floors and hotels as well as 160 floors, all of their towers are the same as China, why is there a long tower in America, the use of hotels, offices and restaurants
IMO, yes and no. I find it ugly: over embellished in an ungraceful way. That Belle Epoque style was of its time, but it just didn't translate well to tall buildings. Eventually, skyscrapers developed a more understated decoration, such as you see in Louis Sullivan's work. Art Deco was a great combination of effusiveness and sleekness--perfectly suited to the skyscraper.
I love what NYC is becoming. I know many people don’t like older grand art deco buildings getting covered up by new modern supergallo, but I think it just adds another dimension to the city, and shows its growth through history. The idea of a future Manhattan island covered in super and mega tall skyscrapers, with historic art deco/20th century gems hidden between seems incredible to me.
what do you mean by historic preservation, whenever someone says that they usually only ever include ornamental buildings despite modern architecture being less than 20 years away from being legally historic, although its understandable why new yorks modernism is forgotten as the most impressive and beautiful 20th century modern buildings in NYC suffered a fate we all remember, although stuff like the seagram and the postmodern skyscrapers of new york deserve preservation aswell
@@circleinforthecube5170the twin towers were actually very ugly, very rigid and very obnoxious. They selfishly claimed so much of the NYC skyline's character without really adding much beauty to it.
I disagree with those who have this idea that the 175 Park Ave diminishes the presence of the Chrysler Building or will make us appreciate it any less. It’s really a good juxtaposition to show and highlight how NYC’s architectural direction is always changing decade by decade. And that’s a good thing. It’s history on full display.
Change simply for the sake of change is not an inherently good thing. That's like saying that building a brutalist skyscraper behind to St. Peter's Basilica is good because it shows how things change over time. Or imagine overshadowing the Eiffel Tower with an adjacent skyscraper. No one would view those as good.
I think view of Chrysler Bldg has already take a hit from the new Vanderbilt Bldg 2 bocks away. Views of Chrysler used to be great on 42st st. This building will finish it off
@@Ntyler01mil Its not the same thing, of course you wouldn't build a skyscraper next to the Eiffel tower or a cathedral but in New York a skyscraper next to an older skyscraper is different and you can already see it all over the city with buildings from the 1800s 1920s 60s 80s and 2000s all comingling with each other.
@@kennj321Have to agree, in part. Vanderbilt compliments both ESB and Chrysler and is respectfully a distance. Commodore will overshadow both Chrysler and Vanderbilt!
I would be terrified to be in or anywhere near the Affirmation Tower - that design looks inherently unstable, even with today's amazing materials. I wouldn't do it.
I agree. You'll never find me in that design. You might even investigate the motivation for that design possibly being an intentional future terrorist attack.
I discovered that there are actually smaller versions of this structure already built in Downtown Queens along the East River. Go in Google Earth and have a look. But still, a 300 meter tower like this is structurally unstable, aesthetically disturbing and not something I would want to see anywhere.
It's great that NY is growing and people still want to live and work there. But the Chrysler and Empire State are iconic landmarks. They'll be more new builds besides the ones in this video in the future. I hope it doesn't get to the point where you can't even see them.
You cannot see the Chrysler Building anymore from the LIE. The Vanderbilt Tower is right behind it, so they just blend together. Manhattan skyline is just a mess now.
@@dankelly5150 I agree. It used to be architects designed buildings to compliment the city and skyline. The new skinny supertalls were designed with only one thing in mind, to give maximum returns in profit.
People want to live and work there? Residents and workers are leaving. New York City, once the greatest city in the US, has become an unaffordable crime ridden hell hole.
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Literally the ONLY thing I dislike about Affirmation tower is it's top heavy. I think the height is FANTASTIC, but a building as tall as that should NOT be visually top-heavy. It just looks off. I think if the architects just literally inverted the building it would be one of the best the city could have to offer and it's a great location.
I agree. Personally I think it's hideous in its top heaviness, but without the top heaviness it would look generic. I hope they dont go with that design.
Hello from Veracruz, Mexico. I have paid attention that every time they talk about New York city, they only show images and videos about Manhattan, but they never ever include the other 4 sections of the city. New York city is more than only Manhattan, It includes Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, Bronx and Staten Island. Thank you.
The Commodore is absolutely beautiful in its design. However, it should be less taller and definitely thinner to be more naturally integrated in the skyline.
I disagree with making it thinner, but I agree that some aspects of its design are ghastly-- the proportions make it look stubby. They could make the parts where the width changes more ornamental to offset the oddness
That is the best Ai voice I've ever heard. It sounds like John Houseman, the old man who ruled supreme in the original Rollerball (who was a contemporary of Orson Welles in Mercury Theatre). The voice only stumbled on a couple of numbers, other than that, absolutely excellent.
@@QthePhysicist AI sometimes has trouble with numbers. There were at least two building heights spoken incorrectly. I can't find them now but it was like "at a height of one two two meters..."
@@robertofernandez7773 Disagree. I think we are experiencing a temporary pushback. It'd be crazy to think that even 10 years from now the same amount of people will be working in-office, as today. Which is why I don't understand why these sky scrapers are still going up in bulk. Unless they are like the German one with the cool elevator system.
@@JFLehr agree to disagree. I guess it depends on where you live. City officials will push for return to the office. Not only companies. Companies have too many liabilities in property. That is why they are pushing for people to go back. Imagine Apple, for example. After spending billions on their campus and now nobody using it. I don't think so. And then you have city officials that are having dead zones in their cities. A lot of business rely on those people going to those offices. It those business go bankrupt, cities will loose a lot of tax base. So unfortunately, little by little the returns will happen. It is not a push back.
@@robertofernandez7773 Those are fair points. I think you're right about how WFH can and will create dead zones in cities, and also about how companies are overextended in their ownership or lease arrangements. But even if it was to the public's economic benefit to stop working from home, who could even enforce that? The city governments may suffer but they can't impose anything. Companies will be the decision makers and it's not like they care about the city's welfare. I think when VP and C-Suite roles start being taken over by millenials, there will be very little attachment to the idea of forcing people to come into offices, especially when companies can virtually remove an entire line on the P&L (Office Lease Obligations)... It's a pushback.
@@JFLehr Yes. The change of generations might change the way things happen. But conpanies are pushed by investors, looking for returns, not the workers and CEO. and government can't impose directly. But they have many more subtle ways. Ordinances, taxes. Plus wfh is horrendous for teaching skills to new employees. Part of my job is to train people. And when ive done training myself via zoom is just a shit show. Nobody learns anything. if you are a parent, you must know how horrendous it was for kids and parents to manage. But like you said. Time might change the way things. And new inventions also change the way things happen. For what we know AI might kill all our jobs. 😩
Old buildings had soul, ideas and beauty in details. Modern designs look like they were created by a child in Minecraft. The only difference is the moved blocks.
If by 'new' you mean intentionally contrarian, anti-Vitruvian, and uncomfortable to human sense-making, then 'new' is an extremely bad idea. Look at the Tower Fifth and its existing cousin 432 Park Avenue and tell me they aren't downright offensive.@@drock213
I bet you wish you had some actual say in what happens in any capacity. And yet, you don’t. You have no power and no voice nor any visibility. Those with power can make “Minecraft” buildings, and do. Does that piss you off?
There will always be haters but I'm loving what the new skyline is becoming and even the stories of business and political challenges some of these new builds have to go through.
and there will always be followers, simple-naive folk who cannot see\dont want to see a different way forward, one with less money laundering and monuments built to launder vast amounts of untaxed wealth....at our expense and manual labor no less
@@senglomein5766 "and there will always be followers, simple-naive folk who cannot see\dont want to see a different way forward" It's beautiful how every time someone says this kind of thing, they're almost always just reading of a description of themself. "one with less money laundering and monuments built to launder vast amounts of untaxed wealth" These things are expensive and I don't have any money, therefore money laundering. "at our expense and manual labor no less" These things bring in billions of dollars in tax revenue for NYC just by existing, not to mention building them take thousands of mostly union construction jobs
The last project is going to be so insanely destructive. The buildings that will be destroyed on these blocks are so beautiful and could never be replicated.
Every building ever built has a lifespan. All will come down eventually. Beautiful as they may be on the outside, you can only patch them up so much before it is no longer feasible. Just like a lot of people. Beauty is only skin deep.
@@brianthomas5260 Modern skyscrapers can last for thousands of years with maintenance. I don't disagree that "every building has its time", but that doesn't mean a building can't last forever if we really cared about it.
Those narrow towers look horrible. Like others have said New York is famed for its art decco architecture, but the modern towers look such a mish-mash of styles. What a shame that Singer Building was demolished, it looked amazing.
Great video and nice to see private investment taking an active role in environmental innovation in their building construction. While it does represent a change in look / feel of the NY skyline, it’s a sign of modernization. What will be key is to strategically place the new functional, modern building alongside the rich history that is NY and showcase the over 200+ years of construction and changing architectural styles. We need to evolve and innovate - it’s the only way to advance.
I don’t think these “overshadow” any of the surrounding buildings. NYC is an ever changing city, its buildings tell that story… these new building are emblematic of the city’s dynamism and economic might
I wish there was a way to re-build and extend the height and details of the Chrysler and Empire State buildings. I know, I know...but really, if that doesn't happen, we're just living in Blade Runner LA.
Oddly I think the 432 building is nice looking. I know its facade is basically stacked square windows, but I admire the proportions. They seem appropriate, for some reason.
Really wish Penn Plaza had more of an Art Deco shape to it, given its location it could really contribute to the skyline's beauty but as it stands the current renderings show an ugly design. The JP Morgan tower looks quite nice, IMO.
What is fosters thinking about, it looks too new age for that to be next to the empire, the empire is like the Effie tower of new York, to me it's wrong
"Anxiety Architecture." At some point, the public is going to weigh in socially and city planners are going to be forced to acknowledge the public's preference for non-cantilevered, non-reverse tapered, non-perched, non-tuned-mass dampered?, visually "weak" construction. as in: "Yah, I always knew that one was going to tip over, hated looking at or walking past it."
None of the towers constructed in the last 50+ years hold a candle to the art deco and beaux-arts skyscrapers of the past, if we're being honest. These proposed towers will crowd and obstruct views of iconic buildings without offering any redeeming architectural qualities, in my opinion.
except they do, every art deco building in chicago is absolutely overshadowed by their more locally popular 1960s second chicago school brothers, also modern architecture is being treated the way traditional was in the 50s and 60s, disposable tacky buildings, yet this will inevitably change like 1800s architecture lost its negative associations also modern architecture is well over 50 years old, shows your age, its weird how consistently everyone who really really hates modern architecture is supposedly the majority of people yet we keep building nothing but modern and even when we call back its still distinctly modern. also funny how anti-modernism videos on youtube pull only 1.5 to 2 million views on a subject that literally everyone knows about
@@circleinforthecube5170 - Chicago doesn't really have very many art deco skyscrapers, but people still like the older traditional buildings more than the modern ones. People want to see the Board of Trade Building, the Auditorium Building, the Wrigley Building, Tribune Tower, the Jeweler's building, etc. The general public has never been a big fan of modern architecture, and was always distressed by the destruction of more traditional buildings for modern replacements. There is pride taken in the fact that buildings like the Sears Tower are impressively tall, but no one thinks that the Sears Tower is “beautiful.” More broadly, Chicago's skyline of mostly modern towers impresses people in terms of scale and number. It's amazing as a collection of enormous buildings. However, aside from a few modern architecture aficionados, no one finds individual modernist towers to be great works of art.
Almost every building that ever went up in New York has been hated by most contemporaneously. Then it's ho-hum-oh-well; and then they love it. New York will always be New York and the developers who manage to build in that supremely difficult city to build in never apologize. Each one becomes its own economic powerhouse and joins all the others that make New York.
The claim that the JP Morgan Chase tower will be 100% powered by hydroelectric power is ludicrous. There won't be a dedicated power line from any hydroelectric plant just to this building. All electrons in the power grid are indistinguishable from one another. You can't say this electron is from a hydro plant, that one is from a coal plant. Rather what's likely is that they bought credits from the power company that allows them to make this fictional claim. It's just a paperwork claim, which certainly one of the largest banks in the world knows how to do.
no it isnt you're just ignorant. study up on this. i'll give you a couple tips, there is an article in the nytimes all about it and also for one example the newish manhattan west towers are powered in the same way.
The Commodore is the only tower that I both love the design of and think shouldn't be built, at least in its current design. it's just too wide and too tall for its location in its current form. If it were thinner but taller? Sure! It would look way better and probably be more respectful of the Chrysler Building. But as it? It will forever make it seem like a leftover toothpick from a forgotten classical age...
Man, I really wish that those designers would include more art-deco in their designs. Some of the most iconic (and imo best looking) NYC skyscrapers follow the art-deco design language, and I personally think that with today's technology, we could build absolutely STUNNING art-deco towers.
I agree with you. That said, the new JP Morgan Chase building screams Art Deco and I'm here for it.
Agreed. Art Deco is one of NYC most defining styles. At least DeKalb in Brooklyn is kind of a homage to that style. The facade looks really cool. Can't wait to see it in person. Personally I would love to see supertalls in the style of the Empire State and Chrysler Buildings but with a clean, new art deco facade of gold or black.
They look old. We need modern skyscrapers. I love the thin ones in billionaires row
@@ilarivaisanen The thin ones are awesome, but neo-art deco style supertalls (higher than Empire State) would be awesome and classy at the same time and not necessarily old-stylish.
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Agreed! I love the look of all the new buildings in the last 15 years on the east side built in the pre war style- sometimes just copying and sometimes pushing the boundaries out but not cartoonishly like post-modernism did; as if the the pre war period never ended and just kept improving.
Where are they going to get all the office workers to fill the office spaces in these buildings? There's already an abundance of partially empty office buildings.
Edit - April 2nd, 2024 - Manhattan has hit an all-time high vacancy rate of, depending on the source 19.8% to 22.8%.
This isn't getting any better and with the influx of migrants... is likely to get worse!
Edit - October 7th, 2024 - Now the Chrysler Building is at risk for failure to pay their rent due to a lack of occupied office spaces. Commercial realty in Manhattan is collapsing.
Delinquency rate: The delinquency rate for Manhattan office buildings increased from 0.57% in January 2023 to 6.28% in January 2024.
they didnt think that far, they just want to strike construction deals to make themselves feel accomplished :D, profits over sense
Right, I feel like these buildings were planned pre-COVID and now a lot of the projects are reconsidering haha
I agree. I work on the train and white collar workers only work from Tuesday to Thursday. More tourists downtown than workers
I hear you but maybe their thought is that if you create new office space, in uniquely designed building with different layouts and more amenities, you’ll create an environment that people actually don’t mind getting out of the bed and tolerating traffic and public transportation to get to.
@@jst4572 - No disrespect intended but that's totally irrelevant.
For most folks, no matter how "sweet" the facility, most will choose to work from home if possible.
Look at the amazing facilities and benefits that Google and Apple offer their employees and yet most piss and moan about having to come back to the office.
I walk by 270 Park every time I go into the office. Been so cool watching it go up over the last year!
The commodore tower looks good and the new morgan chase building looks better than the old one. The other towers are eyesores.
15 penn place looks pretty nice to me tbh…weird but nice looking…
@@jondobson It's not that it looks bad, it just seems a shame to tear down an historic hotel to put it there.
It's all about location - if there's no room in Manhattan, what's the problem with putting some of these towers in Brooklyn?
The Commodore is far too massive in my opinion. Interestingly, the bases and entrances seem to be the new attractions for tourists. It used to be about going to the upper decks, now it's more about the inside and outside areas. That's clever very nice. It's a new experience of proportion and scale as Google Earth has given us all the bird-like views for granted. There are also a lot more commercial opportunities in the bases than on the top decks. None of this is a coincidence.
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The Commodore tower design is cool, but the location is criminal, no tower this massive should be this close to Chrysler building
Loving the modern gothic-inspired art deco style. We need more art deco, especially New York. most beautiful buildings, even prettier than the gilded styles. more up shining lights please
I absolutely love the Commodore Tower. It's elegant, blends in beautifully with the surroundings, and contrary to what the narrator suggested I find it doesn't detract at all from any surrounding historical buildings but rather compliments them. I hope that some of the building is dedicated to residential use not just office use since more people can work from home now.
yeah but most 1990s skyscrapers also take wedding cake formations with callback elements, also what do you mean by historical building, history doesen't end at the invention of modern architecture and within 30 years modern architecture is entering the preservation sphere
@@circleinforthecube5170can't wait for jewelry inspired architecture
Affirmation tower is the worst in my opinion...i hope the architect change the design to something elegant.
@@stevepierre182It’s shaped like Vermont 😭
It’s cool, but its location could not be any worse.
Although it is sad that the monuments of the past are getting overshadowed, but in my opinion it actually embodies New York. New York was, is, and will always be an ever-changing city. It's the place where one came, built an empire, and push another generation of empires to rise even taller. The Empire State Building and Chrysler buildings were and will always be one of the main identities of New York, that's why they can't be and shouldn't be demolished. They should stand and last until the day New York die. But their existence shouldn't slow New York. Just like how countless companies rise and fall in New York, perhaps it's time for the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building to be overshadowed. Just like how the St.Patrick's Cathedral's spires were once a major landmark in the New York Skyline, now it's not even noticable. YET, it doesn't diminish it's importance and it's impact on New York. Change will always happen whether we like it or not, as long as New York continues to be a global powerhouse, it's not a matter of If the two iconic giants will be overshadowed, it's always been a matter of when. Maybe, just maybe, this decade is that time.
^ THIS.
the big problem with 2010s and 2020s era architecture is its doing to 1950s-1980s era buildings what those buildings did to previous eras of architecture with the mass demolition, while we may not consider modern buildings of equal importance now it is inevitable that architectural taste will grow fonder on them, the rectangles of the 50s and 60s receive much less hatred and disdain then they had in the 2000s, and the importance of significant modern buildings will shoot up, also structurally many 2020s era buildings are weaker than their older counterparts. compare a tract home in the 90s and a tract home today, significant architectural build quality decline in only what, 30 years? in 30/40 years these 2010s/2020s neo-modernist towers will start to be considered "dated, boring, ugly architecture" just like what we consider modernism now and just how they felt about traditional styles in the 50s, architectural taste is a big cycle
even if 1950s-1970s architecture isint loved yet, it still deserves historic preservation, it also depends on area, Chicago cares much more about their modern architecture than new york, the city is identified with mies van de rohe styled modern architecture more than its older ornamented buildings, although they still receive a spotlight its nowhere as big as the second chicago wave's publicity
Nah; you're either a bot or drinking the Kool-Aid. New York is more pathetic now than ever before, the city is dying because of skyscrapers, yet they keep building them as a desperate cry for attention and nothing else. The streets are empty, people are leaving, and the quality of life continues to plummet; yet they build these ugly unnecessary reprobate-architecture monstrosities that will remain unoccupied forever; it seems these clowns didn't learn from the demented fiasco of Hudson Yards.
Cities are as relevant as old computer boards. I would get out.
Yes, but at least build something nice to look at. The Commodore building looks bulky and terrible in its design and would be an eyesore on the skyline. It needs to be scaled down. The way it looks now it'll unbalance midtown.
JP Morgan building a 40M$ park is like you and me planting a blade of grass.
Improve people's lives: they're a bank! They don't care about people
$40M park plaza -- its not backwards day.
JP morgan chase pays 40m every year for money laundering billions. they are basically a govt bank now, if you were wondering who controls biden, its the biggest bank in the world, and jamie demon
I agree. It will also get inevitably overrun with addicts and aliens. These 'community contributions' are a scam dreamed up by idiots at planning offices.
Yea (for the sake of argument overlooking the nonsense of that comparison), but the diference is that they did it but you don't.
Spider-Man is really looking forward to all the new skyscrapers. 🕸
i think we're seeing more and more developers embrace art-deco back into their designs, it's better for the skyline that way
Agreed. Modernism is a cancer.
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Given that so much office space is lying vacant in NYC even now, does it make sense that all 5 of these buildings seemed only to be for commercial use?
Manhattan is as relevant as an old computer board. All they know how to do is build. If they stopped it would cause a panic
Exactly! Coffin apartments
New class A office space sells out extremely well.
pssst -- except for chase all are mixed uses.
I think the loss of classy storied hotels is a huge loss. Seems that the titans of industry want people to work in NYC and then go away.
New York city will always be the king of skyscrapers 💪
????? travelled much???? dwarfed by Hong Kong
@@gabrielzachary9704 true in amount of buildings over 150 meters however NYC has almost 3x as many 300 meter or taller buildings than Hong Kong and Dubai has even more.
in terms of what the criteria of a sky scraper is, HK is King. Period. Manhattan has cultural appeal driven by films of the last 50 years, no doubt the most influential city on earth of the 20th century @@ehaddad6
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As far as massive towers go, the JP Morgan and Commodore towers are very good looking.
Penn Plaza, however, is an utter eyesore.
Commodore tower looks cool and very New York, however location needs to be changed as too close to the iconic Chrysler building which is perhaps New York's most famous landmark along with the empire state building.
Somebody did not get the memo on current office space vacancy in NYC/Manhattan….
New York is not like any other place…
@@philausa9629 It's a lot similar to London - which has the same issue and is doing the same thing (office vacancy, despite building new office skyscrapers).
What is actually happening is: the office vacancy comes from big companies not wanting to purchase space in existing buildings (as the newer buildings are superior, for obvious reasons).
Thats why they have the confidence to build these structures, because unlike older buildings that are struggling, the space in these new buildings will sell fast and for big money (because people actually want to work in them).
Office vacancy will reduce with the more old 70s/80s/90s buildings that are replaced or refurbished.
That Singer tower was sure a sad loss
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The lengths of the tower in the world in Dubai are 200 floors and more towers have 140 floors and hotels as well as 160 floors, all of their towers are the same as China, why is there a long tower in America, the use of hotels, offices and restaurants
Looks like a third world country compared to China. No western city can even compare to Chinese cities
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IMO, yes and no. I find it ugly: over embellished in an ungraceful way. That Belle Epoque style was of its time, but it just didn't translate well to tall buildings. Eventually, skyscrapers developed a more understated decoration, such as you see in Louis Sullivan's work. Art Deco was a great combination of effusiveness and sleekness--perfectly suited to the skyscraper.
I love what NYC is becoming. I know many people don’t like older grand art deco buildings getting covered up by new modern supergallo, but I think it just adds another dimension to the city, and shows its growth through history. The idea of a future Manhattan island covered in super and mega tall skyscrapers, with historic art deco/20th century gems hidden between seems incredible to me.
what do you mean by historic preservation, whenever someone says that they usually only ever include ornamental buildings despite modern architecture being less than 20 years away from being legally historic, although its understandable why new yorks modernism is forgotten as the most impressive and beautiful 20th century modern buildings in NYC suffered a fate we all remember, although stuff like the seagram and the postmodern skyscrapers of new york deserve preservation aswell
Do you know NYC is sinking because of the skycrapers?!?!
@@circleinforthecube5170the twin towers were actually very ugly, very rigid and very obnoxious. They selfishly claimed so much of the NYC skyline's character without really adding much beauty to it.
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Homeless encampment everywhere, crime and destitution is the future of NY. Your either ignorant or in denial.
I disagree with those who have this idea that the 175 Park Ave diminishes the presence of the Chrysler Building or will make us appreciate it any less. It’s really a good juxtaposition to show and highlight how NYC’s architectural direction is always changing decade by decade. And that’s a good thing. It’s history on full display.
Change simply for the sake of change is not an inherently good thing.
That's like saying that building a brutalist skyscraper behind to St. Peter's Basilica is good because it shows how things change over time.
Or imagine overshadowing the Eiffel Tower with an adjacent skyscraper.
No one would view those as good.
I think view of Chrysler Bldg has already take a hit from the new Vanderbilt Bldg 2 bocks away. Views of Chrysler used to be great on 42st st. This building will finish it off
@@Ntyler01mil and his comment got 75 likes... sheesh, maybe they don't live here.
@@Ntyler01mil Its not the same thing, of course you wouldn't build a skyscraper next to the Eiffel tower or a cathedral but in New York a skyscraper next to an older skyscraper is different and you can already see it all over the city with buildings from the 1800s 1920s 60s 80s and 2000s all comingling with each other.
@@kennj321Have to agree, in part. Vanderbilt compliments both ESB and Chrysler and is respectfully a distance. Commodore will overshadow both Chrysler and Vanderbilt!
The Commodore Tower is the prettiest of all 😍. It’s a combination of elegance and modernism but it’s location is a problem
What is the problem with its location? Manhattan not a good place for skyscrapers?
@@Gigi-xr3qs It eclipses the iconic Chrysler Building. Did you watch the video??
@@martincito1662 Yeah, and I disagree. The Chrysler building is still visible from most angles. It's a city, not a museum.
@@Gigi-xr3qs Not the opinion of most people
@@martincito1662 Not YOUR opinion, so you assume it's most people., Haven't seen a public poll on this.. nor have you.
While all these modern towers are super cool, the Singer building is simply stunning. I wish I got to see it in person.
I would be terrified to be in or anywhere near the Affirmation Tower - that design looks inherently unstable, even with today's amazing materials. I wouldn't do it.
I agree. You'll never find me in that design. You might even investigate the motivation for that design possibly being an intentional future terrorist attack.
I discovered that there are actually smaller versions of this structure already built in Downtown Queens along the East River. Go in Google Earth and have a look. But still, a 300 meter tower like this is structurally unstable, aesthetically disturbing and not something I would want to see anywhere.
@@brianthomas5260 what the fuck are you talking about ?
And it's ugly too
It will never get built. Someone is getting votes just by entertaining that idea.
It's great that NY is growing and people still want to live and work there. But the Chrysler and Empire State are iconic landmarks. They'll be more new builds besides the ones in this video in the future. I hope it doesn't get to the point where you can't even see them.
Some of these new builds are butt ugly !! 🤮
You cannot see the Chrysler Building anymore from the LIE. The Vanderbilt Tower is right behind it, so they just blend together. Manhattan skyline is just a mess now.
@@dankelly5150 I agree. It used to be architects designed buildings to compliment the city and skyline. The new skinny supertalls were designed with only one thing in mind, to give maximum returns in profit.
When are they going to use that money on its infrastructure instead of building skyscrapers that nobody asked for?
People want to live and work there? Residents and workers are leaving. New York City, once the greatest city in the US, has become an unaffordable crime ridden hell hole.
270 Park ave is incredible. The lobby/base is a modern marvel
It's not for the public unless you work there.
NY looks like a third world country compared to China. No western city can even compare to Chinese cities
These buildings will provide a vast amount of space for all the robots who will be able to work in them.
I hope they are the funny robots from Futurama and not the mankind killing ones from I am legend Robot
@@mickanvonfootscraymarket5520 The near complete uselessness of human life on the planet is an inescapable conclusion for all forms of AI to come to realize.
@@thomasjamison2050 oh dang
Tower fifth looks like 432 park ave hit the gym but always skipped leg day... and bought a weird hat...
Literally the ONLY thing I dislike about Affirmation tower is it's top heavy. I think the height is FANTASTIC, but a building as tall as that should NOT be visually top-heavy. It just looks off. I think if the architects just literally inverted the building it would be one of the best the city could have to offer and it's a great location.
I agree. Personally I think it's hideous in its top heaviness, but without the top heaviness it would look generic. I hope they dont go with that design.
Yup that tower is ugly and sore to the eyes...i hope they change the design.
This reads like the one thing you dislike about the Affirmation Tower is its central theme. It implies you dislike the project altogether.
i think its an illusion when you look above it it looks like its gonna fall
I hate the affirmation tower and I hope it doesn’t get built
Looking forward to the balcony view of the Empire State Building from Penn Tower, likewise the Chrysler Building from the new Commodore Tower!
commodore looks awesome and clean and classy
Hello from Veracruz, Mexico. I have paid attention that every time they talk about New York city, they only show images and videos about Manhattan, but they never ever include the other 4 sections of the city. New York city is more than only Manhattan, It includes Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, Bronx and Staten Island. Thank you.
2:32 WTC 1 at 1,368’ was the tallest skyscraper demolished. The Union Carbide building was the tallest skyscraper ever purposely demolished.
Was thinking the same thing when he said this lol
The Commodore is absolutely beautiful in its design. However, it should be less taller and definitely thinner to be more naturally integrated in the skyline.
I disagree with making it thinner, but I agree that some aspects of its design are ghastly-- the proportions make it look stubby. They could make the parts where the width changes more ornamental to offset the oddness
Agree.. beautiful design but the bulkiness makes it less appealing to the eyes. If it were a bit slimmer, it would look much better. I think.
I agree, it should be shorter and thinner Gorgeous design
Or maybe more smaller and less fatter.
Highly disagree, If anything it should be taller
I can't wait to see these buildings come to life, especially as a midtown resident
These towers should all have a spire. They look so cool in the skyline.
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I really wish architects stuck to the art deco style for new buildings with a modern look to it.
It's that modern look I don't like.
That is the best Ai voice I've ever heard. It sounds like John Houseman, the old man who ruled supreme in the original Rollerball (who was a contemporary of Orson Welles in Mercury Theatre). The voice only stumbled on a couple of numbers, other than that, absolutely excellent.
Yeah, i feel this as well. How do you know it's AI?
@@QthePhysicist AI sometimes has trouble with numbers. There were at least two building heights spoken incorrectly. I can't find them now but it was like "at a height of one two two meters..."
@@livinginvancouverbc2247 yeah several off putting weirdness remarks. the robot nigel voice itself was nice tho.
Do we need more office towers considering how efficient working from home is?
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you see it. work from home is dying slowly.
@@robertofernandez7773 Disagree. I think we are experiencing a temporary pushback. It'd be crazy to think that even 10 years from now the same amount of people will be working in-office, as today. Which is why I don't understand why these sky scrapers are still going up in bulk. Unless they are like the German one with the cool elevator system.
@@JFLehr agree to disagree. I guess it depends on where you live. City officials will push for return to the office. Not only companies. Companies have too many liabilities in property. That is why they are pushing for people to go back. Imagine Apple, for example. After spending billions on their campus and now nobody using it. I don't think so. And then you have city officials that are having dead zones in their cities. A lot of business rely on those people going to those offices. It those business go bankrupt, cities will loose a lot of tax base. So unfortunately, little by little the returns will happen. It is not a push back.
@@robertofernandez7773 Those are fair points. I think you're right about how WFH can and will create dead zones in cities, and also about how companies are overextended in their ownership or lease arrangements. But even if it was to the public's economic benefit to stop working from home, who could even enforce that? The city governments may suffer but they can't impose anything. Companies will be the decision makers and it's not like they care about the city's welfare. I think when VP and C-Suite roles start being taken over by millenials, there will be very little attachment to the idea of forcing people to come into offices, especially when companies can virtually remove an entire line on the P&L (Office Lease Obligations)... It's a pushback.
@@JFLehr Yes. The change of generations might change the way things happen. But conpanies are pushed by investors, looking for returns, not the workers and CEO. and government can't impose directly. But they have many more subtle ways. Ordinances, taxes. Plus wfh is horrendous for teaching skills to new employees. Part of my job is to train people. And when ive done training myself via zoom is just a shit show. Nobody learns anything. if you are a parent, you must know how horrendous it was for kids and parents to manage. But like you said. Time might change the way things. And new inventions also change the way things happen. For what we know AI might kill all our jobs. 😩
Hello NYC, built whatever you want as long as you don't demolish the Empire State building, and Chrysler building in Midtown.
I love the historic towers of NYC, but there is no reason to not build the new ones as well
"New Jersey Countryside" LMFAO!
You can tell this video was not made by someone that’s know the area well
Jersey City.
Nah that was Hoboken
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@@patdonnelly9392 My home town! A four minute train ride to Manhattan.
JP-Morgan scraper has that cold and evil estetic to it.
Old buildings had soul, ideas and beauty in details. Modern designs look like they were created by a child in Minecraft. The only difference is the moved blocks.
I'd disagree. A mixture of both is best. A city of a bunch of old buildings and relics and nothing new would be very depressing
If by 'new' you mean intentionally contrarian, anti-Vitruvian, and uncomfortable to human sense-making, then 'new' is an extremely bad idea. Look at the Tower Fifth and its existing cousin 432 Park Avenue and tell me they aren't downright offensive.@@drock213
I bet you wish you had some actual say in what happens in any capacity. And yet, you don’t. You have no power and no voice nor any visibility. Those with power can make “Minecraft” buildings, and do. Does that piss you off?
And you're blind. How about you actually take a close look at the buildings first hmm?
Awesome share and so useful
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There will always be haters but I'm loving what the new skyline is becoming and even the stories of business and political challenges some of these new builds have to go through.
Uhhh NYC is skinking because of all the sky scrapers
and there will always be followers, simple-naive folk who cannot see\dont want to see a different way forward, one with less money laundering and monuments built to launder vast amounts of untaxed wealth....at our expense and manual labor no less
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"and there will always be followers, simple-naive folk who cannot see\dont want to see a different way forward" It's beautiful how every time someone says this kind of thing, they're almost always just reading of a description of themself.
"one with less money laundering and monuments built to launder vast amounts of untaxed wealth"
These things are expensive and I don't have any money, therefore money laundering.
"at our expense and manual labor no less" These things bring in billions of dollars in tax revenue for NYC just by existing, not to mention building them take thousands of mostly union construction jobs
The last project is going to be so insanely destructive. The buildings that will be destroyed on these blocks are so beautiful and could never be replicated.
Every building ever built has a lifespan. All will come down eventually. Beautiful as they may be on the outside, you can only patch them up so much before it is no longer feasible. Just like a lot of people. Beauty is only skin deep.
@@brianthomas5260 Modern skyscrapers can last for thousands of years with maintenance. I don't disagree that "every building has its time", but that doesn't mean a building can't last forever if we really cared about it.
The vast majority of them really aren't.
@@JackKack-kk5dd there was a complete write up on it and knowing you know nothing and just commenting to bullshit is embarrassing
So many interesting smaller structures have been destroyed lately to build this massive crap.
Amazing! I love New York ❤
270 Park Avenue(Chase Building) The Commodore building, & 15 Penn Plaza look very nice and are well done!
Commodore is best of the newbies but bad place the Chrysler will always be the best & it’s space should be protected 😢
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Did nobody really think about the name "Penn15" I can see many middle schoolers making jokes about this tower.
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How will they get the workers for the offices?
I am a big fan of 270 Park Avenue, but also looking forward to Tower Fifth.
Great Video thank you for your work
How are they going to fill these offices?
Those narrow towers look horrible. Like others have said New York is famed for its art decco architecture, but the modern towers look such a mish-mash of styles. What a shame that Singer Building was demolished, it looked amazing.
JP Morgan Chase skyscraper and the Tower Fifth skyscraper look the best. Amazing architecture and design.
As a New Yorker, I hate all these proposed buildings.
Same here. Just more modernist eyesores in a time when the last thing we need is MORE office space smh
So often these types of video are dire - this is exceptional - excellent.👍
That commodore building is striking ❤
Great video and nice to see private investment taking an active role in environmental innovation in their building construction. While it does represent a change in look / feel of the NY skyline, it’s a sign of modernization.
What will be key is to strategically place the new functional, modern building alongside the rich history that is NY and showcase the over 200+ years of construction and changing architectural styles.
We need to evolve and innovate - it’s the only way to advance.
I don’t think these “overshadow” any of the surrounding buildings. NYC is an ever changing city, its buildings tell that story… these new building are emblematic of the city’s dynamism and economic might
I wish there was a way to re-build and extend the height and details of the Chrysler and Empire State buildings. I know, I know...but really, if that doesn't happen, we're just living in Blade Runner LA.
I love the way every aspect of these buildings crushes the human scale. These are the perfect expression of life in the US today.
Oddly I think the 432 building is nice looking. I know its facade is basically stacked square windows, but I admire the proportions. They seem appropriate, for some reason.
Affirmation Tower is a sick, disorienting joke. Thoroughly insulting.
2:05: what’s going to happen to Chase Manhattan Plaza and One New York Plaza? Is JP Chase abandoning those offices?
None of these projects will do anything to help average citizens. In fact, they probably make living conditions worse.
I like the view of the Chrysler building from Peter Parker's apartment balcony window.
Unfortunately Central Park will never see daylight
You probably never been in Central park. It's huge
I’m happy they’re building… wish some of the buildings weren’t ugly
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Commodore is the best one by far
Apparently, Homer Simpson has left the nuclear power industry and is now an architect
will they bring the 2 wtcs back tho??
Really wish Penn Plaza had more of an Art Deco shape to it, given its location it could really contribute to the skyline's beauty but as it stands the current renderings show an ugly design. The JP Morgan tower looks quite nice, IMO.
What is fosters thinking about, it looks too new age for that to be next to the empire, the empire is like the Effie tower of new York, to me it's wrong
Very interesting, thank you!
I really think building the Commodore Tower is a BIG mistake in that site
The Commodore looks like it should be in Dubai. It's gaudy. And another banger from Adjaye!
"Anxiety Architecture."
At some point, the public is going to weigh in socially and city planners are going to be forced to acknowledge the public's preference for non-cantilevered, non-reverse tapered, non-perched, non-tuned-mass dampered?, visually "weak" construction.
as in: "Yah, I always knew that one was going to tip over, hated looking at or walking past it."
No, they probably aren't.
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I really hope they don’t build an upside down building 🙄
2:30 - that's not right. The WTC 1&2 were the tallest ever demolished.
office spaces are getting increasingly vacant in NYC though 😂😂
Nice tour. Thanks for the views.
Is that the same JP Morgan that’s pulling jobs out of NY State as fast as it can?
back office not hq jobs
again, the bulk of the employees are "back office" you could pare JP Morgan down to one building if not less if solely HQ personnel
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I love it. Was in New York end of 2018 and will be going back 💯
City of the past. City of the future. Nothing else like it!
None of the towers constructed in the last 50+ years hold a candle to the art deco and beaux-arts skyscrapers of the past, if we're being honest.
These proposed towers will crowd and obstruct views of iconic buildings without offering any redeeming architectural qualities, in my opinion.
except they do, every art deco building in chicago is absolutely overshadowed by their more locally popular 1960s second chicago school brothers, also modern architecture is being treated the way traditional was in the 50s and 60s, disposable tacky buildings, yet this will inevitably change like 1800s architecture lost its negative associations
also modern architecture is well over 50 years old, shows your age, its weird how consistently everyone who really really hates modern architecture is supposedly the majority of people yet we keep building nothing but modern and even when we call back its still distinctly modern. also funny how anti-modernism videos on youtube pull only 1.5 to 2 million views on a subject that literally everyone knows about
@@circleinforthecube5170 - Chicago doesn't really have very many art deco skyscrapers, but people still like the older traditional buildings more than the modern ones. People want to see the Board of Trade Building, the Auditorium Building, the Wrigley Building, Tribune Tower, the Jeweler's building, etc.
The general public has never been a big fan of modern architecture, and was always distressed by the destruction of more traditional buildings for modern replacements. There is pride taken in the fact that buildings like the Sears Tower are impressively tall, but no one thinks that the Sears Tower is “beautiful.”
More broadly, Chicago's skyline of mostly modern towers impresses people in terms of scale and number. It's amazing as a collection of enormous buildings. However, aside from a few modern architecture aficionados, no one finds individual modernist towers to be great works of art.
I am reminded of the warning...'just because you CAN, does not mean you SHOULD'...this applies so appropriately to these structures...dgp/uk
Watching 9 Mile Productions makes me miss my home town city, I'm retired and moved to N C in 2015 and will always love NYC
Did nobody tell Vornado about PEN15?
Almost every building that ever went up in New York has been hated by most contemporaneously. Then it's ho-hum-oh-well; and then they love it. New York will always be New York and the developers who manage to build in that supremely difficult city to build in never apologize. Each one becomes its own economic powerhouse and joins all the others that make New York.
Can't wait for a video dedicated to Pennsylvania Hotel. I stayed there in 2018 and felt it already required some action.
The claim that the JP Morgan Chase tower will be 100% powered by hydroelectric power is ludicrous. There won't be a dedicated power line from any hydroelectric plant just to this building. All electrons in the power grid are indistinguishable from one another. You can't say this electron is from a hydro plant, that one is from a coal plant. Rather what's likely is that they bought credits from the power company that allows them to make this fictional claim. It's just a paperwork claim, which certainly one of the largest banks in the world knows how to do.
We live in the golden age of fraud.
no it isnt you're just ignorant. study up on this. i'll give you a couple tips, there is an article in the nytimes all about it and also for one example the newish manhattan west towers are powered in the same way.
Are you certain you aren't the ignorant one? Things often aren't as they seem. Just like electric vehicles aren't clean whatsoever.
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I really like the design of Commodore Tower. Look forward (with luck) of seeing it completed.
The Commodore is the only tower that I both love the design of and think shouldn't be built, at least in its current design. it's just too wide and too tall for its location in its current form. If it were thinner but taller? Sure! It would look way better and probably be more respectful of the Chrysler Building. But as it? It will forever make it seem like a leftover toothpick from a forgotten classical age...
I totally agree with you on this.
The design is too pretty for it not to be built.
@@martincito1662 and the site is too wide and too prime. luckily, its a gorgeous building design.
They should construct a 2,200 ft new Chrysler building
New York is truly the capital of the earth
Very much appreciate the candor of your voice over. You offer a reliable, informed, and thoroughly fair Architectural Assessment.
Thank you :)
This is going to make the skyline even more beautiful. They are going to be a lot of people working from home who are going to be back in the office.
many of these are mixed use