Umpires have been one of the biggest problems in MLB for a while now, and over the years, it feels like they've only gotten worse. 📩 Business inquiries: avgbaseball@yahoo.com
The issue i have with modern day umpires is not they make a bad call here and there, it's more or less that when they get called out, and proven wrong they either double down, or triple down with an absolutely inflated ego. They hate admitting when they make a mistake.
I believe either the league or the union encourages them to do so. I don't believe they ever want to be so bad. That said - Angel Hernandez is too bad he needs to be fired. He is the poster child of what's wrong with unions
I know what you mean. I don't like it when they turn the game into an Ump Show. That said, if the play isn't reviewable, I kinda understand why they can't change their minds after being chewed out. They need to be decisive, which obviously is frustrating because they mess up a lot.
All Umpires in the union should take after Pat Hoberg. He is willing to admit mistakes, overturn his own calls and is accurate nearly 100% of the time when behind the plate.
I don't ever wanna hear players getting thrown out bc of a horrible "ball/strike" call as "entertainment value". There's too much on the line. When you can't trust your own eye as a hitter, it can have a horrific tsunami effect in baseball. A ball should be a ball, and a strike should be a strike. Just like a HR is a HR, and a foul ball is a foul ball. There's nothing a fan or player can do that can "trick" or "influence" umpires to call a HR a foul, or a foul a HR. Balls and strikes ARE baseball. And they should never be "subjective" calls, esp in today's insane game of so much heat coming from the mound. But that's just my opinion.
@@jphjphjph there are still a lot of things all the Umpires are needed for. I just truly believe that hitting would def get better if a player's strike zone is *always* their strike zone, every single time.
@@alexoman177 Yeah. I get that this is TH-cam...so that is the default assumption for tone on here. I came out a bit strong, but that's because I just don't vibe with the idea that getting tosed for arguing balls and strikes should never be considered Entrainment Value. At least not more so than the value having a universal strike zone would bring to the game. I thought I did a solid job at getting the tone back to a respectable level afterwards, though. 👍
It should be simple, but the crooked as hell Umpire's Union makes it complex. Hold the outliers accountable. Reward the high performing umpires like Hoberg with high leverage games.
Schwarber acted like a cry baby, that ball was close enough, he should’ve been protecting the plate. The Umpires don’t see the strike zone lines that we see on TV
We have cameras and ai now. The umps shouldn't be affecting the game the way they do. And now with online sports betting being so big (and the nba, ncaa, and nfl obviously seeing the effect of crooked refs) its a matter of time before they get even worse w their calls.
As an umpire myself I wise there was a system in place to rotate out umpires. There are about 74-76 umpires in a given year and only 1-2 are replaced but only do to retirement. Once you are in you are safe as long as you don't do something off the field. The issue is the umpire repot cards that the MLB use are to lenient. I would love to see a system where say the bottom 4-5 umpires from the year are dropped back to the miners and then pull up the top umpires from the miners. There are lots of really good umpires in the minors but they're stuck there because of the system that's in place where they just have to wait until someone retires and hope they get picked.
Major league umpires and school teachers are the only two professions that come to mind where there is no accountability for being bad at your job. Theur is one common denoninator, unions.
One idea I've heard that brings robo-umps into the game but also keeps the humanity and entertainment was the challenge system. Each batter gets 3 challenges per game, initiated by tapping their helmet with both hands after a pitch. The pitch will then be displayed on the big screen showing if it's a strike or ball. If the ump made an incorrect call, the batter keeps his challenge.
One of the notable changes is that thanks to those pending robo-umps, players can now see and assess tons of pitches assessed as balls and strikes. Yeah, everyone can tell a pitch 6" out of the zone. But batters are now more correct, and more confident they're correct, than ever before, because they are getting to see pitches from a pitching machine to mimic pitchers they're likely to see, and fine tuning their sense of the correct strike zone.
I hate this idea that it comes down to "one blown call", as if the teams hadn't been playing for 9 innings already and failed to capitalize on any advantage that had or could've had early on.
6:00 ... coincidentally... Joe West retired in 2021, who before his retirement was mentioned in the same breath as Angel as the WORST plate ump every year.
Angel Hernandez is notorious. With him you have to just know it’s going to be a loosely called game and you better protect the plate same as little league
I used to defend the umpires and be against automating the strike zone. Thought it was a bad idea. I can’t defend them anymore. They have been awful. Truth is I think automating the strike zone is necessary now.
Half the issue is watching TV and expecting an accurate placement of the strike zone and the ball on the screen. Fact is, it's almost always wrong in the vertical position. The other issue is people think wayyyy too many strikes are wrong.
Angel Hernandez doesn't have any problem . The problem here is that they wouldn't pay him and wouldn't allow Angel to be in any game if he wouldn't do what they asked for him to do in games like not call strikes and balls
I think it would work if we maintain umpire calls, but had an automatic system that the batter and pitcher can use once per at bat to challenge a call. Players can maintain their challenge if the call is overturned. We know these calls can be made instant, and they can be displayed on the scoreboard for everyone in the ballpark to see. This can all be done within 5 seconds or so, so it wont end up lengthening game time. Alternatively you can make each batting position only have one challenge per game, and the pitchers get 1 per inning to make it fair (9 challenges on each side).
The tv stations just need to get rid of the strike zone box if its not gonna be reviewable. That and those boxes arent even accurate half the time lmao
It used to be that you didn't criticize umps for a ball's length low or high, but for inconsistency either way. I would like to see umpires judged not for the calls that miss the zone, but for calling low strikes and then high strikes. If you give the pitcher a borderline low strike, then you should be squeezing the top part of the zone. If you give the pitcher a ball's length outside, then don't give them that call on the inside pitch. Establish your strikezone and call it consistently. That should be the barometer for umpire performance, not the graphic box.
Very good video….. However, I have to laugh in that I wrote my senior thesis on this very subject 40 years ago…. Barcode technology had just been employed by a few supermarkets and my thesis was that put a barcode on the ball and aim a couple of cameras at the batter and then have an operator adjust the camera for each individual batter’s strike zone….. When I’ve suggested this to others over the years I usually get a “deer in the headlights” stare from the person….. Wish I had copyrighted the idea🤦
“In history” Umpires have been killed for the wrong call like 100 years ago😂 I think they were more hated back then. Umpires need police escorts to train stations so crowds wouldn’t get them!
I don't know why MLB even negotiates with the umpires' union. There are significantly fewer than 100 MLB umpires, and my understanding is there's a log jam of qualified umpires in the minors due to lack of umpire turnover at the Major League level. And even if that poses a problem, there are countless good college umpires. This problem only exists because they allow it to.
MLB needs to develop and require a psychological fitness for duty test for umpires and subject EVERYTHING to instant replay. There is no doubt that some umpires are shady lol
The fact that even some of the coaches and players think "it's kind of entertaining to watch a guy argue" is baffling to me. Absolutely no fan is watching baseball, waiting for the game to come to a complete stop, just for a manager to throw a hissy fit that would put some toddlers to shame. Both sides need to grow up and take some accountability, it's appalling that these grown ass men, making millions upon millions of dollars still act like schoolchildren.
What’s crazy is that there is 100s of millions of dollars at stake to leave up to one guys perception of a strike, which also opens things up to corruption and bribery of that person. My entertainment comes from good baseball, not waiting for a fight because of bad calls. Computerized balls/strikes should be used immediately…this isn’t little league.
Your example with the Blue Jays at 3:33 has an error. Down by 2 in the bottom of the 9th with 1 man on base means the batter is the TYING run, not the WINNING run as you claim. doesn't mean if he gets on the next guy doesn't get out, or if he homers, the game is not over and the Yankees have a chance to counter assuming the next batter gets out. Doesn't change the point of the video, just that the batter is a tying not winning run at the plate.
It is the demonstrably terrible ones like Angel Hernandez getting away with it over and over and over and still getting the call to come into work tomorrow that baseball fans hate. 90% of umps call a good enough game but the fact that this guy has been KNOWN to be awful for YEARS and still has a job that fans can't stand.
No, baseball has a fan problem. Anytime you'd rather watch two guys yell at each other, you need to go watch "professional" wrestling. Time to get the bullshit drama out of the sport.
Modern umpires have enormous egos and oretty much can get away with any bad behavior. This was clear when Madison Bumgarner was ejected from an umpire that was indoecting his hand and was staring him down rather than inspecting for spider tack. Anything that Angel Hernandez do at any point.
I can't stand that MLB can't review "judgement calls" just because something might be SUBJECTIVE doesn't mean it can't be OBJECTIVELY wrong. I also hate that MLB is so focused on "technically correct" rather than trying to find the actual right answer. There was a play that involved Tim Anderson where he forced the runner off of the bag and the umpire called safe but because the umpire didn't declare WHY he was safe, the call was overturned. Complete horse manure.
The umpire problem has contributed to the strikeout problem and a loss of interest. The strikeout problem has led to the most boring, frustrating viewing experience imaginable. You have two people on the field playing catch instead of two teams playing baseball.
One thing I don't understand .... somebody tell me if we have the graphics or strike zone box that says what should be a strike and what should be a ball why do we need umpires? Nothing
I am in my mid 50’s and have been an avid sports fan of all baseball & football from youth to professional level. And sadly officiating has gotten significantly worse (just from my experience). A pretty good indicator is when you have video evidence that a call was missed, the official doesn’t want to know it. In my personal opinion loook at the video,why would you not want to know you messed up? Admit you made a mistake and learn from it? I have no issue with someone videoing my calls and showing me the video mid inning and if I make a mistake I say I made a mistake.
After every season they should rank the umpires based on accuracy, ejections, etc and send the lowest 25-50% back to umpire school and if you get sent down 2-3 years in a row then you are fired.
Its ultra simple.... The unecesaary umpires union is the problem. The MLB can't fire bad umps. If they are at 94% accuracy now... They woukd be at like 97%+ if they could just demote or fire the bottom performing umps every year and set an age limit. The fact that umps like Angel Hernandez can keep their job is causing almost all of the issues.
Want to see umpires put their thumbs on the scale? Go back and watch the most recent playoffs. Some teams got calls on corners and off the plate while their opponents had to throw the whole ball over the plate. One team could square balls up and the other would be getting jammed and hitting balls off the end of the bat.
Heres the perfect solution that keeps the accuracy and keeps the emotion. Instead of players tapping their heads on a bad call they actually have to argue with the ump over the call which then draws review. Tons of argument moments and accuracy at the same time. It the umps are too soft for this then there will be others who take their place. If players get it wrong then they get ejected! Maybe if an ump gets it wrong 3 times he gets ejected. Boom! excitement!
Im more of a hockey fan, but there are a lot of similar issues there too. There is a whole aspect of game management part of the game that is lost by having robot refs. The calls are also subjective to some level. So its harder to have automated game calling. But I had an idea that might actually work better for baseball. Put go pros or something to show the umps perspective. Instead of using the box they show on screen, you could see literally what the ump sees and use that for replays. That way you can still keep the technical skills like framing and still use the umps while giving them an extra tool to make decisions, and instead of having a machine make the call, have another off field ump who can help with on field decisions.
I dont think umps should get 2 inches of leeway on all sides of the zone. The zone is concretely defined on the sides since its relative to the plate. Umps shouldnt get 2 inches for those calss. Since the top and bottom of the zone arent as concrete, maybe 2 inches makes sense
This season was horrible with a lot of bad calls. Im a Giants fan and there were numerous bad calls on us or the other team in the strikezone. Tyler Rogers, Camilo Doval, Alex Cobb and Alex Wood are some of the guys i seen that had bad calls against them.
Why can't the Union be ok with sending MLB umps back down to triple A just like they do with underperforming players? This would be a great way for them (the umps) to get better. There also needs to be a system where the worst guys can actually get fired (I'm talking about you, Angel) to give the young guys a shot at the show. Bad umps with 35 years in the game need to be a thing of the past.
Here's the truth, baseball has an analytics problem and rule change problems. It started with replay, trucking catchers, take out slides so this is all you can hyper focus on. Managers can't argue anything anymore so this is all you can focus. In reality, umpires are more proficient at their jobs than they have been in the history of baseball. People who "understand" advanced stats think they know everything about baseball when they show more hubris than anything. It's made the game sanitary and boring, it has given people who have barely any experience playing the game a reason to think they do. Most of the baseball content out there hardly talks about baseball, they read advanced stats because they don't know anything else. When all else fails, that's when people make fun of Agnel Hernandez
My gut feel is that if there was a way to "retire" 1 or 2 of the lowest performers, much of the Roboump momentum would go away. While unions, guilds, and associations exist to protect individual members, they also should exist to protect the profession.
Unions exist to protect garbage workers while holding back top performers. Protecting a profession is a stupid reason to exist. If so the union of TeePee builders would still be going strong and we'd be living outside.
There’s no issue with umpires, you know these umpires can’t see the strike zone lines that we see on TV right…. Part of baseball is knowing the umpires strike zone, some are small and some are big.
Umpires took away Gallaraga's perfect game on a bad call. On the final out of the game. That enough makes my decision. When it changes history, times need to change.
The strike zone box wasn’t even a thing till some tears back so this is super easy for people watching tv to criticize but I’m real time it’s not easy to be 100% correct. It’s not fair or realistic
Been saying it for years... treat umps like players. Send them down tot he minors if they are under preforming. Call up the best of AAA. We'll see every ump get better because just like a player, nobody wants to be Sent down
the speed of the game has passed the human eye's capability....enact the challenge rule first...if this works, stay with it...if it needs more, go to the robo umps.....games are too important to be decided by a bad call...I went to a AAA game and challenges, 5 of them, took 10 seconds of game time to decide the right call...so less than a minute was used to get the right call...3 were correct and 2 were wrong....a 2 strike count changes the whole at bat as opposed to a 1 strike count...get it right guys...make the fans AND the players happy
Personally. I would hate to watch/play a game with an automated ump. It's apart of the game for human error. A big part of baseball is learning an umps strikezone. They might now be good but almost ever ump is semi-consistant
The catchers are just as guilty as the trash umps for bad calls, just watch them slide their glove into the strike-zone after catching the ball to fool the umps.
It’s understandable that an umpire makes mistakes. They’re human and nobody is expecting them to be perfect. The issue is their ego. Umps always act like their word is law and often get immediately up in peoples faces when they feel their authority is being challenged. They don’t want to admit they’re wrong and then I’m top of that they take attention and time away from the game. That’s selfish and gross and needs to be done away with. That’s why everyone hates Angel Hernandez so much not because of the missed calls themselves but because of how he acts about them
Why don’t the umpires get their PAY docked for every bad call? Seems like a good idea to me…🤔. Like all employees who have a job, they have to have ACCOUNTABILITY!
It’s not just an umpire problem. Baseball also has an entitled player problem. Yes, the umps are wrong and often create bad situations, the players shouldn’t be the ones talking back to them though. That’s the manager and coaches job, it is not the players job. And then there is when the players are wrong, which is the majority of time. Baseball has a massive player entitlement problem. It’s driving fans away from the game.
Watched the first 10 seconds but just want to say, 10 calls missed isnt much You watch close to 300 pitches, so right there that's 3% then when you take into account potential swings if a ball is fair or foul, if a play was safe, if there was a balk, if the pitch was delivered in time, making an infield fly call properly (even when the fans dont think its right) 10 failed calls isnt bad
The issue i have with modern day umpires is not they make a bad call here and there, it's more or less that when they get called out, and proven wrong they either double down, or triple down with an absolutely inflated ego. They hate admitting when they make a mistake.
I believe either the league or the union encourages them to do so. I don't believe they ever want to be so bad. That said - Angel Hernandez is too bad he needs to be fired. He is the poster child of what's wrong with unions
@@JackieDaytona1776I second this, I used to referee soccer for kids and they would encourage to have confidence in our calls even when we’re wrong
I know what you mean. I don't like it when they turn the game into an Ump Show. That said, if the play isn't reviewable, I kinda understand why they can't change their minds after being chewed out. They need to be decisive, which obviously is frustrating because they mess up a lot.
See but you can have confidence without behaving like an egotistical maniac.
All Umpires in the union should take after Pat Hoberg. He is willing to admit mistakes, overturn his own calls and is accurate nearly 100% of the time when behind the plate.
I don't ever wanna hear players getting thrown out bc of a horrible "ball/strike" call as "entertainment value".
There's too much on the line. When you can't trust your own eye as a hitter, it can have a horrific tsunami effect in baseball.
A ball should be a ball, and a strike should be a strike. Just like a HR is a HR, and a foul ball is a foul ball. There's nothing a fan or player can do that can "trick" or "influence" umpires to call a HR a foul, or a foul a HR.
Balls and strikes ARE baseball. And they should never be "subjective" calls, esp in today's insane game of so much heat coming from the mound.
But that's just my opinion.
@@jphjphjph there are still a lot of things all the Umpires are needed for.
I just truly believe that hitting would def get better if a player's strike zone is *always* their strike zone, every single time.
Yes, this is your opinion despite your absolute tone.
I agree. Its like watching hockey only for the fights.
“Gosh, I wish that game had had more arguments,” said nobody ever.
@@alexoman177 Yeah. I get that this is TH-cam...so that is the default assumption for tone on here. I came out a bit strong, but that's because I just don't vibe with the idea that getting tosed for arguing balls and strikes should never be considered Entrainment Value. At least not more so than the value having a universal strike zone would bring to the game.
I thought I did a solid job at getting the tone back to a respectable level afterwards, though. 👍
It should be simple, but the crooked as hell Umpire's Union makes it complex. Hold the outliers accountable. Reward the high performing umpires like Hoberg with high leverage games.
That is exactly what they are doing.
I hope you're right, but can't they get rid of Angel Hernandez? @@markeschen
@@markeschen That is exactly not what they're doing because Pat Hoberg was not umping the World Series and Angel Hernandez still has a job.
Umps aren’t the problem, its the fact that Angel Hernandez can’t be held accountable
Baseball has an Umpire UNION problem. When Angel Hernandez can't be fired no matter how terrible he is at umpiring, you've got a Union problem.
Unions are a God thing at the end of the day, but like anything can be used in a crooked way. One Love, why do you think corporations hate unions.
I love that Schwarber clip. Even Hader walking away knew that was not a strike.
Schwarber acted like a cry baby, that ball was close enough, he should’ve been protecting the plate. The Umpires don’t see the strike zone lines that we see on TV
@@snowman9642 hi angel, did ur grandson teach u how to use a computer?
@@letsmakeit110what? Make some sense.
The 3 people who flagged this must have eyes just as bad as Hernandez.
The thing is, the fans pay to see the players not the umps.
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Not according to this dope.😂😂😂
We have cameras and ai now. The umps shouldn't be affecting the game the way they do. And now with online sports betting being so big (and the nba, ncaa, and nfl obviously seeing the effect of crooked refs) its a matter of time before they get even worse w their calls.
I'm at least one living proof of a person who was interested in seeing umpires too, like Joe West for example. They're all part of the game.
As an umpire myself I wise there was a system in place to rotate out umpires. There are about 74-76 umpires in a given year and only 1-2 are replaced but only do to retirement. Once you are in you are safe as long as you don't do something off the field. The issue is the umpire repot cards that the MLB use are to lenient. I would love to see a system where say the bottom 4-5 umpires from the year are dropped back to the miners and then pull up the top umpires from the miners. There are lots of really good umpires in the minors but they're stuck there because of the system that's in place where they just have to wait until someone retires and hope they get picked.
Major league umpires and school teachers are the only two professions that come to mind where there is no accountability for being bad at your job. Theur is one common denoninator, unions.
One idea I've heard that brings robo-umps into the game but also keeps the humanity and entertainment was the challenge system. Each batter gets 3 challenges per game, initiated by tapping their helmet with both hands after a pitch. The pitch will then be displayed on the big screen showing if it's a strike or ball. If the ump made an incorrect call, the batter keeps his challenge.
I think umpires generally deserve a break but jfc angel hernandez needs to go
We need to bring the challenge system for balls and strikes
Sure. The umpires are missing dozens of calls per game, so let's let one dugout slow down the game to get two or three of those calls right.
Maybe just those ball/strike calls which lead to an out our walk.
One of the notable changes is that thanks to those pending robo-umps, players can now see and assess tons of pitches assessed as balls and strikes. Yeah, everyone can tell a pitch 6" out of the zone. But batters are now more correct, and more confident they're correct, than ever before, because they are getting to see pitches from a pitching machine to mimic pitchers they're likely to see, and fine tuning their sense of the correct strike zone.
When you are terrible at your job, but have a union to protect you from accountability. Bad cops and bad umpires have figured out the racket.
I hate this idea that it comes down to "one blown call", as if the teams hadn't been playing for 9 innings already and failed to capitalize on any advantage that had or could've had early on.
6:00 ... coincidentally... Joe West retired in 2021, who before his retirement was mentioned in the same breath as Angel as the WORST plate ump every year.
I can’t imagine what other sports would be like if those umpires had the egos of baseball umpires
I personally think they should just use the robot umpires as pitching challenges, they can give each team like 5 strike or ball challenges
Angel Hernandez is notorious. With him you have to just know it’s going to be a loosely called game and you better protect the plate same as little league
Which is actually bad for the player.
I used to defend the umpires and be against automating the strike zone. Thought it was a bad idea. I can’t defend them anymore. They have been awful. Truth is I think automating the strike zone is necessary now.
It didn’t take one minute to mention Angel Hernandez. And I’ve never heard of Pat Hoborg at the end of video.
Balls and strikes aren't the only issue for bad umps like Hernandez. Sometimes ups will throw players out for just shaking their heads.
Half the issue is watching TV and expecting an accurate placement of the strike zone and the ball on the screen. Fact is, it's almost always wrong in the vertical position. The other issue is people think wayyyy too many strikes are wrong.
If I was that bad at my job I wouldn't have it anymore
Your not in the union. 😂
Angel Hernandez doesn't have any problem . The problem here is that they wouldn't pay him and wouldn't allow Angel to be in any game if he wouldn't do what they asked for him to do in games like not call strikes and balls
I think it would work if we maintain umpire calls, but had an automatic system that the batter and pitcher can use once per at bat to challenge a call. Players can maintain their challenge if the call is overturned. We know these calls can be made instant, and they can be displayed on the scoreboard for everyone in the ballpark to see. This can all be done within 5 seconds or so, so it wont end up lengthening game time. Alternatively you can make each batting position only have one challenge per game, and the pitchers get 1 per inning to make it fair (9 challenges on each side).
When I see an umpire moving closer to the base to try and make a CLOSE CALL I know he definitely doesn't belong in professional baseball!!
We bother to make grades for umpires every game. They should be paid based on the grade. Lower than 80% your check goes to charity
The tv stations just need to get rid of the strike zone box if its not gonna be reviewable. That and those boxes arent even accurate half the time lmao
Arguments aren't entertaining to me. I want there to be no question of the result on the field.
The biggest contribution toward making robot umps is human umps
It used to be that you didn't criticize umps for a ball's length low or high, but for inconsistency either way. I would like to see umpires judged not for the calls that miss the zone, but for calling low strikes and then high strikes. If you give the pitcher a borderline low strike, then you should be squeezing the top part of the zone. If you give the pitcher a ball's length outside, then don't give them that call on the inside pitch. Establish your strikezone and call it consistently. That should be the barometer for umpire performance, not the graphic box.
Very good video…..
However, I have to laugh in that I wrote my senior thesis on this very subject 40 years ago….
Barcode technology had just been employed by a few supermarkets and my thesis was that put a barcode on the ball and aim a couple of cameras at the batter and then have an operator adjust the camera for each individual batter’s strike zone…..
When I’ve suggested this to others over the years I usually get a “deer in the headlights” stare from the person…..
Wish I had copyrighted the idea🤦
MLB has a serious problem getting ball & strike calls right.
“In history” Umpires have been killed for the wrong call like 100 years ago😂 I think they were more hated back then. Umpires need police escorts to train stations so crowds wouldn’t get them!
There might be a logistical fallacy in assuming that the graphics are 100% correct.
I don't want to see the umpires replaced, just the bad umpires like Angel Hernandez etc...
I don't know why MLB even negotiates with the umpires' union. There are significantly fewer than 100 MLB umpires, and my understanding is there's a log jam of qualified umpires in the minors due to lack of umpire turnover at the Major League level. And even if that poses a problem, there are countless good college umpires. This problem only exists because they allow it to.
Angel Hernandez misses 10 calls before he pulls into the parking lot
MLB needs to develop and require a psychological fitness for duty test for umpires and subject EVERYTHING to instant replay. There is no doubt that some umpires are shady lol
The fact that even some of the coaches and players think "it's kind of entertaining to watch a guy argue" is baffling to me.
Absolutely no fan is watching baseball, waiting for the game to come to a complete stop, just for a manager to throw a hissy fit that would put some toddlers to shame. Both sides need to grow up and take some accountability, it's appalling that these grown ass men, making millions upon millions of dollars still act like schoolchildren.
What’s crazy is that there is 100s of millions of dollars at stake to leave up to one guys perception of a strike, which also opens things up to corruption and bribery of that person. My entertainment comes from good baseball, not waiting for a fight because of bad calls. Computerized balls/strikes should be used immediately…this isn’t little league.
Your example with the Blue Jays at 3:33 has an error. Down by 2 in the bottom of the 9th with 1 man on base means the batter is the TYING run, not the WINNING run as you claim. doesn't mean if he gets on the next guy doesn't get out, or if he homers, the game is not over and the Yankees have a chance to counter assuming the next batter gets out. Doesn't change the point of the video, just that the batter is a tying not winning run at the plate.
It is the demonstrably terrible ones like Angel Hernandez getting away with it over and over and over and still getting the call to come into work tomorrow that baseball fans hate. 90% of umps call a good enough game but the fact that this guy has been KNOWN to be awful for YEARS and still has a job that fans can't stand.
It's harder to make it to the leauge as an umpire, there's not many openings per yr.
If umps were graded on their job and demoted to the minors for doing a bad job like players are. There would be more chances of moving to the majors.
No, baseball has a fan problem. Anytime you'd rather watch two guys yell at each other, you need to go watch "professional" wrestling. Time to get the bullshit drama out of the sport.
The bad calls are normal but the worst of the worst it's their prima donna attitude. They think fans pay to watch them instead of the players
This is Angel Hernandez’s world..
We’re just living in it
The problem is umps like angle hernandez has been so terrible for years that hes put all umps under a microscope.
AI tech can solve most related issues and may eventually replace umpires all together.
Umps are NOT needed. They should just be there to relay the calls from cameras and ai.
Modern umpires have enormous egos and oretty much can get away with any bad behavior.
This was clear when Madison Bumgarner was ejected from an umpire that was indoecting his hand and was staring him down rather than inspecting for spider tack. Anything that Angel Hernandez do at any point.
Even technology will never be perfect.
I can't stand that MLB can't review "judgement calls" just because something might be SUBJECTIVE doesn't mean it can't be OBJECTIVELY wrong. I also hate that MLB is so focused on "technically correct" rather than trying to find the actual right answer. There was a play that involved Tim Anderson where he forced the runner off of the bag and the umpire called safe but because the umpire didn't declare WHY he was safe, the call was overturned. Complete horse manure.
You can go ahead and implement the robo-ump in MLB, but Angel will still get the calls wrong. He'll find a way....
The robot was wrong I tell ya!
The umpire problem has contributed to the strikeout problem and a loss of interest. The strikeout problem has led to the most boring, frustrating viewing experience imaginable. You have two people on the field playing catch instead of two teams playing baseball.
One thing I don't understand .... somebody tell me if we have the graphics or strike zone box that says what should be a strike and what should be a ball why do we need umpires?
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I am in my mid 50’s and have been an avid sports fan of all baseball & football from youth to professional level. And sadly officiating has gotten significantly worse (just from my experience). A pretty good indicator is when you have video evidence that a call was missed, the official doesn’t want to know it. In my personal opinion loook at the video,why would you not want to know you messed up? Admit you made a mistake and learn from it? I have no issue with someone videoing my calls and showing me the video mid inning and if I make a mistake I say I made a mistake.
Yes...and the name of that umpire problem is Angel Hernandez.
No umpire has the right to arbitrarily widen the strike zone at any time he feels like it
Unions used to be great, and to an extent still are, but this is one of many examples of why modern unions are an issue
Rain is wet.
Sky is blue.
After every season they should rank the umpires based on accuracy, ejections, etc and send the lowest 25-50% back to umpire school and if you get sent down 2-3 years in a row then you are fired.
Angel Hernandez is going to cost umpires their jobs.
Its ultra simple.... The unecesaary umpires union is the problem. The MLB can't fire bad umps. If they are at 94% accuracy now... They woukd be at like 97%+ if they could just demote or fire the bottom performing umps every year and set an age limit. The fact that umps like Angel Hernandez can keep their job is causing almost all of the issues.
This is probably why I don't like baseball, watching two old people yell at each other for 10 minutes about a call is not entertaining at all.
Automated strike zone is coming so they don’t give a shit. Its kind of like the teacher that’s retiring, they don’t care they will be gone in a year
Want to see umpires put their thumbs on the scale? Go back and watch the most recent playoffs. Some teams got calls on corners and off the plate while their opponents had to throw the whole ball over the plate. One team could square balls up and the other would be getting jammed and hitting balls off the end of the bat.
Heres the perfect solution that keeps the accuracy and keeps the emotion. Instead of players tapping their heads on a bad call they actually have to argue with the ump over the call which then draws review. Tons of argument moments and accuracy at the same time. It the umps are too soft for this then there will be others who take their place. If players get it wrong then they get ejected! Maybe if an ump gets it wrong 3 times he gets ejected. Boom! excitement!
Please no. Just get the call right and get back to the game. If I wanted to watch people argue, I'd turn on cable news.
Why did they put one of the lowest rated umpires in the World Series? He was awful.
Im more of a hockey fan, but there are a lot of similar issues there too. There is a whole aspect of game management part of the game that is lost by having robot refs. The calls are also subjective to some level. So its harder to have automated game calling.
But I had an idea that might actually work better for baseball. Put go pros or something to show the umps perspective. Instead of using the box they show on screen, you could see literally what the ump sees and use that for replays. That way you can still keep the technical skills like framing and still use the umps while giving them an extra tool to make decisions, and instead of having a machine make the call, have another off field ump who can help with on field decisions.
All we have to do is fire shitty umps. That's it. The problem would be 100% fixed in a season...if that.
I dont think umps should get 2 inches of leeway on all sides of the zone. The zone is concretely defined on the sides since its relative to the plate. Umps shouldnt get 2 inches for those calss. Since the top and bottom of the zone arent as concrete, maybe 2 inches makes sense
This season was horrible with a lot of bad calls. Im a Giants fan and there were numerous bad calls on us or the other team in the strikezone. Tyler Rogers, Camilo Doval, Alex Cobb and Alex Wood are some of the guys i seen that had bad calls against them.
Any umpire who has ever made even one bad call is an (insert cuss word here)
Consistently failing is still failing.
Angel Hernandez, Laz Diaz & CB Buckner will forever be known as MLB’s umpiring three stooges. Worst three of all time, easily!
EGO. Thats the issue. Umpires act like they are bigger than the game.
"...skills like framing a pitch..."
You mean cheating wont be worthwhile? Awesome
No problem. Solution is to have the base coaches call the game. No authority on the field. Good luck!
Why can't the Union be ok with sending MLB umps back down to triple A just like they do with underperforming players? This would be a great way for them (the umps) to get better. There also needs to be a system where the worst guys can actually get fired (I'm talking about you, Angel) to give the young guys a shot at the show. Bad umps with 35 years in the game need to be a thing of the past.
An Umpire. Just 1. His name is Angel Hernandez.
Here's the truth, baseball has an analytics problem and rule change problems. It started with replay, trucking catchers, take out slides so this is all you can hyper focus on. Managers can't argue anything anymore so this is all you can focus. In reality, umpires are more proficient at their jobs than they have been in the history of baseball. People who "understand" advanced stats think they know everything about baseball when they show more hubris than anything. It's made the game sanitary and boring, it has given people who have barely any experience playing the game a reason to think they do. Most of the baseball content out there hardly talks about baseball, they read advanced stats because they don't know anything else. When all else fails, that's when people make fun of Agnel Hernandez
Screw human emotion and watching guys argue. I welcome our robo-ump overlords.
Im completely fine with this RNG mechanic being removed.
My gut feel is that if there was a way to "retire" 1 or 2 of the lowest performers, much of the Roboump momentum would go away. While unions, guilds, and associations exist to protect individual members, they also should exist to protect the profession.
Unions exist to protect garbage workers while holding back top performers. Protecting a profession is a stupid reason to exist. If so the union of TeePee builders would still be going strong and we'd be living outside.
@@joemamma4427show us on this doll where the union touched you.
There’s no issue with umpires, you know these umpires can’t see the strike zone lines that we see on TV right…. Part of baseball is knowing the umpires strike zone, some are small and some are big.
Umpires took away Gallaraga's perfect game on a bad call. On the final out of the game. That enough makes my decision. When it changes history, times need to change.
The strike zone box wasn’t even a thing till some tears back so this is super easy for people watching tv to criticize but I’m real time it’s not easy to be 100% correct. It’s not fair or realistic
At the very least postseason assignments should be performance based
Been saying it for years... treat umps like players. Send them down tot he minors if they are under preforming. Call up the best of AAA. We'll see every ump get better because just like a player, nobody wants to be Sent down
the speed of the game has passed the human eye's capability....enact the challenge rule first...if this works, stay with it...if it needs more, go to the robo umps.....games are too important to be decided by a bad call...I went to a AAA game and challenges, 5 of them, took 10 seconds of game time to decide the right call...so less than a minute was used to get the right call...3 were correct and 2 were wrong....a 2 strike count changes the whole at bat as opposed to a 1 strike count...get it right guys...make the fans AND the players happy
Personally. I would hate to watch/play a game with an automated ump. It's apart of the game for human error. A big part of baseball is learning an umps strikezone. They might now be good but almost ever ump is semi-consistant
Hernandez's seeing eye dog could call a better game than Angel.
The catchers are just as guilty as the trash umps for bad calls, just watch them slide their glove into the strike-zone after catching the ball to fool the umps.
If I sucked at my job as much as Angel Hernandez does. I would've been fired years ago, union or not.
It’s understandable that an umpire makes mistakes. They’re human and nobody is expecting them to be perfect. The issue is their ego. Umps always act like their word is law and often get immediately up in peoples faces when they feel their authority is being challenged. They don’t want to admit they’re wrong and then I’m top of that they take attention and time away from the game. That’s selfish and gross and needs to be done away with. That’s why everyone hates Angel Hernandez so much not because of the missed calls themselves but because of how he acts about them
The big issue is when a bad call effects a close game.
The Bryce harper check swing, is being checked for did he attempt to hit the ball, nothing about breaking your wrists or anything else
Why don’t the umpires get their PAY docked for every bad call? Seems like a good idea to me…🤔. Like all employees who have a job, they have to have ACCOUNTABILITY!
It’s not just an umpire problem. Baseball also has an entitled player problem. Yes, the umps are wrong and often create bad situations, the players shouldn’t be the ones talking back to them though. That’s the manager and coaches job, it is not the players job. And then there is when the players are wrong, which is the majority of time. Baseball has a massive player entitlement problem. It’s driving fans away from the game.
Watched the first 10 seconds but just want to say, 10 calls missed isnt much
You watch close to 300 pitches, so right there that's 3% then when you take into account potential swings if a ball is fair or foul, if a play was safe, if there was a balk, if the pitch was delivered in time, making an infield fly call properly (even when the fans dont think its right) 10 failed calls isnt bad