Countries That Used To Exist Inside The United States
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Hawaii actually does have a small but existent movement to restore Hawaiian sovereignty, mostly among native Hawaiians.
They can come back to the UK and replace Scotland.
It’ll never happen, they are being priced out of their own homeland and the place is important to the U.S military so they’ll likely never give in.
Yeah, but if the treatment of Native Americans were any indication of the US Governments stance on Native Rights, the movement is but a dream or wishful thinkings on “what could have been” and this is from a 40% Native Hawaiian, me, lol.
Can’t deny that our developmental success was due to the US annexing and incorporating us into its Federal Economy, but eh, I’ve got a hefty reparations inheritance to look forward to lol.
@@JonBoullion1020 I am curious as to how you are 40% native islander? Genuinely curious.
@@archstanton6102 I may have rounded up percentages, but I’m half Samoan from father. My mothers father, my grandfather and his family are all 100% Native Hawaiian while my grandmother, her mother is 50% Hawaiian, half Korean/Chinese/German and “Other”. So I’m 50% Samoan, roughly 36% Hawaiian, 5%Korean, 5%Chinese and 4%German/Other. I don’t usually acknowledge the German aspect of my ethnic heritage because it stems from a History that needs no explanation except to highlight the 1940’s Worldly Problems, lol, but also because the only Germanic thing about me is my height. I owe my uncommon hairlessness except on my head to the Korean/Chinese background though and I don’t have the coarse, thick hair that most Islanders have thanks to those aspects. I pick up my godgiven tan to the islander blood in me though, haha 😏 All in all I come out pretty decent in the external aspects of aesthetics if I do say so myself lol, but internally, thanks to my mixing pot of genetics, I’m allergic to shellfish, turn whiter during the winter months and suffer the Asian Flush whenever I drink more than a bottle or two of beer. Most of the reparations inheritance I have comes from my grandparents and mother though. I think the cutoff for reparations was 50%, but I did attend Kamehameha Schools for a time and I owe my entire college education to grants and native only scholarships, which for me personally, I am happy about. Do I wish the US could have been more diplomatic about overthrowing our Monarchy, yeah, but being an island civilization I see it as if it were only a matter of time before more powerful countries sailed our way. I mean, I could have been Spanish, Portuguese or French with how the world was discovered at the time….or worse….British 😩🤣😂
I live within the Iroquois Oneida Nation.That flag is still proudly flown today. Especially on nation lands. Great people and interesting history ✌️
Where?
The Iroquois nation is alive and well. I would know I'm part of the Confederacy. So what this fool is saying is total bullshit. People who spread lies.
I thought it was called Haudenosaunee and Iroquois was there named by the French and French was there enemy at the time
I also live in this area, in the original Onondaga Territory. These people still have some of their own land and are sovereign nations.
@@Banana_master420 it’s easier to write Iroquois
The original 13 colonies were also countries. The Declaration of Independence was not 13 colonies declaring themselves a single independent nation. They were 13 British colonial provinces making a joint and unified statement that they were independent states on equal footing with the state of Great Britain. The text of the Declaration of Independence addresses the states in plural, to include mention of them being independent states. The United States, as a single country, did not come into existence until the US Constitution was ratified.
*Edit (February 22, 2023):* Before responding, please read all the responses to this post in addition to this original post. This thread has gone to the point where each new response repeats one or a combination of things mentioned by previous posters. If I previously rebutted something that you want to say, there is an excellent chance that I will do the same with your response.
The issue of the sovereignty of the states and secession was not a new one in 1861. Not only South Carolina and the "Nullification Crisis" of 1832, but also look up the Hartford Convention of 1814. The New England states were not happy with the conduct of the War of 1812 and considered breaking off from the USA at the time. "Dishonest Abe" settled that issue by use of the Army of the United States (along with the US Navy blockading Confederate ports) INVADING the Confederacy, to bring them back by force of arms, which ultimately succeeded, most notably with the surrender of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia at Appomattox Court House in 1865. Since then, effectively, the several states have been CONQUERED by the Federal Government, which has been NATIONAL in its character, rather than a voluntary federation of the states, as the Founders had intended.
*Crown Colonies, not Provinces, there is a (somewhat small, but not completely inconsequential) difference: being a "Crown Colony', despite the name, meant it was de jure British territory, as opposed to being a protected state (a largely independent country that had its own assemblies or parliament, or even monarch, and controlled its own affairs with Britain being responsible solely for defence and foreign affairs), a protectorate (the same more or less as a protected state), a Dominion (an autonomous country within the British Empire that was basically independent save for it kept the British monarch as a figurehead head of state), or a Province (basically the same as a Dominion, but before that name was coined, a term only really used for Canada before 1867).
In this respect, the original 13 colonies were similar in that status to places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Aden, or the Cape Colony.
@@jonathanwebster7091 *jonathan webster:* Crown Colonies, not Provinces, there is a (somewhat small, but not completely inconsequential) difference:
First, I called them "British colonial provinces" based on both my decades long enjoyment of reading history related topics, as well on my family tree research, which showed my direct ancestors listed as being in "The province of [name of province]".
Second, the difference between the term that you used, and the one that I used, is irrelevant to this argument. The purpose of the above video, and my response to it, had nothing to do with the technical name of the colonies. *The above video discussed countries that used to exist in the area now known in the United States. My response addressed the fact that the original colonies (British colonial provinces) each declared themselves independent in a joint statement (Declaration of Independence).*
*jonathan webster:* being a "Crown Colony', despite the name, meant it was de jure British territory, as opposed to being a protected state (a largely independent country that had its own assemblies or parliament, or even monarch, and controlled its own affairs with Britain being responsible solely for defence and foreign affairs), a protectorate (the same more or less as a protected state), a Dominion (an autonomous country within the British Empire that was basically independent save for it kept the British monarch as a figurehead head of state), or a Province (basically the same as a Dominion, but before that name was coined, a term only really used for Canada before 1867). In this respect, the original 13 colonies were similar in that status to places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Aden, or the Cape Colony. [STRAWMAN]
First, the British revised the political status of the colonies, changing them from chartered colonial ventures and then establishing them as provinces. Each was later identified as "The Province of" prior to the name that they took as colonies, e.g., the Province of Massachusetts (what I saw on the information for one of my ancestors). I saw this play out with my other ancestors, even though they came over when these provinces were relatively new colonial ventures. These provinces had a militia called the "Provincial Regulars".
Second, neither the above video, nor the post that you're responding to, addresses the difference between a "crown colony" and "protectorate". This is about the existence of countries, no longer existing, that existed in what is now the United States. My response addressed the fact that the original colonies each became a country vice becoming a single country as many people assume.
Third, the original colonies, later reestablished as provinces, managed their affairs, including defense. The colonial provinces turned towards Great Britain when the French proved too much for them. They were given a lot of autonomy. It was when Great Britain attempted to exert more control into colonial affairs, passing laws and carrying out initiatives in the provincial/colonial frontiers, that the colonials felt infringed on their sovereign rights, that led towards the American Revolution. The fight from April 1775 until the Declaration of Independence was not a fight for independence, but a fight for their rights as Englishmen to include their rights to run affairs on this side of the Atlantic.
Fourth, your response, in its entirety, is irrelevant to the topic started by the OP, and in my response. Whether I used my term, or your term, the reader would understand what is being argued.
They still are technically, the United States is a foreign corporation with respect to each state. Thats why they are called states and not provinces
@@ForageGardener They're called states, as back in the late 18th Century, what we would call a nation today they called a "State". The Declaration of Independence spells this out in the part where they declare themselves on equal footing with Great Britain, also identified as a state. "State" is still used today as one of the terms to identify a nation.
The Vermont National Guard are still called the “Green Mountain Boys” and have carried the Vermont Republic flag with them through the Revolution, The War of 1812, The Civil War, War, Spanish American, Both World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq and Afghanistan
Pretty cool history
I think you mean War, Second World
@@arkle519 bro what
if your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ
There was also The Republic of the Rio Grande. It’s capitol was in Laredo, TX and it consisted of portions of South Texas and Northern Mexico. There is a museum dedicated to it in Laredo and Zapata, TX is named in honor of its founder.
"Capital." The word is "capital." And NO, there was no such republic. Just because a bunch of nuts decided to call themselves a republic doesn't make it so.
Yes and it's because the Republic of the Rio Grande that Texas includes the regions of Texas south of the Nueces River, which means that Texas and Hawaii are the only annexed former countries that can say they expanded their territory during their history.
Very true but in its core it was more a country that would exist inside Mexico rather than the US (It's plan was to include the whole Mexican states of Nuevo Leon, Coahuila and Tamaulipas, also including some few cities/regions of texas as it was still contested at the time this Republic started its movement). Therefore I guess that's why it was left out, as this new Republic was more Mexican and wouldn't exactly fit the title of countries that existed inside the US. Cheers!
If your a christian// you need to repent of your sins PLZ
Cant wait for your breakdown of principalities and city states under the Holy Roman Empire. The video will be a day long haha
Does HRE have the most subdivsions for any country in history?
@LyNx 17 up there for sure
@LyNx 17 u are
@LyNx 17 you r
I like how he can draw the whole map in a second
Hold up, the "Cherokee nation(s)" still exist. Such as the eastern band of Cherokee, they are federally recognized sovereign nations and comprise 3 distinct tribes, 2 of which agree on many terms, while the eastern band are the "odd ones out" being the few descendants of those Cherokee who managed to escape the trail of tears.
So does the Seneca Nation
The whole reason I even clicked on this video was to see just how badly they screwed up on this. I live very close to the Arkansas-Oklahoma boarder and even people here are so ignorant. Also I'm sorry to all those nations right now in light of the SCOTUS ruling and how little to no light is being shined on the topic.
When I clicked on this video, somehow I was expecting to hear about the Kingdom of Hawaii, Iroquois Confederation, Navajo, Oneida, Mississippi Mound Builders, Aztecs etc. Funny how some people act like the history of what is now the US started when Europeans arrived.
It's pretty clear that the US never intended - and still doesn't intend - to view Indian reservations as Nations in the UN sense of the word. Because of ambiguity in the treaties, they are allowed to have gambling and their own local governments. I think it's prudent to think of them like the Crown dependencies of the UK, which provide military and foreign policy.
@@Henrik46 I agree, however in reference to the eastern band of cherokee. It's never been referred to as a reservation, and it is their historical land, as in the land of their ancestors, also in regard to their laws, for example all forms ofAmerican law enforcement lack jurisdiction their. Including game wardens and federal agencies, which is as close to one can get to them being fully independent. Their required id's for example aren't recognized by the US, same with their drivers licenses. Also I could be mistaken but I believe that children born on their land aren't even considered American citizens.
There is one very notable country that you left out.
A group of southern, slave owing states declared themselves to be an independent confederation in the 1860s. This country went to war with the U.S. and it was a bit of a big deal.
BRILLIANT ANSWER !!!!!
A group of southern DEMOCRAT slave owning states
They only went to war because they were invaded.
@@cheapbastard990 Ummm pretty sure the DEMOCRAT confederates attacked first at Fort Sumter giving Lincoln every right to “invade” F You DEMOCRATS!
They weren’t a real country, just a bunch of traitors
The Haudenosaunee still exists. Smaller but still exists. Im am a member. Recognized by the federal government.
State of NY too. I have a membership card. 6 nation Iroquois. I grew up in Onondaga. Its also a part of Canada. Akwesasne Mohawks. We are not EXSTICT!!
Yes... the Haudenosaunee have a top ranked lacrosse team (3rd in the world if I am not mistaking) and issue separate passports.
I know that much of the current day Oneida tribe are now in the area of Northeast Wisconsin. Really sad situation with them being forced out even after helping the United States.
Most of you don't even look native so...
The Oneida are in the same part of the continent as all the rest of the Iroquois, sans some of the Seneca. I think your thinking of the Oneonta Culture, who are the ancestors to the Ho-Chunk people. Either that, or the Mohicans, who were also from New York & relocated to Wisconsin.
There’s a shitload of Indigenous peoples and nations still here. I very much dislike this video and his “history” of Indigenous cultures and nations. Enrolled Anishinaabe (Lake Superior Chippewa) here.
A big one missing was the Confederate States of America, of course. Some states, like Louisiana, succeeded from the United States and were briefly independent (and even had their own flags) before joining the Confederate States of America. There was also a "neutral ground" in present-day western Louisiana between Spanish Texas and the Louisiana Purchase sometimes referred to as the Sabine Free State but I don't think it really had any organization, flag, or any other trappings of a country.
The Sabine Free State had no formal government so became a haven for outlaws, fugitives from the law and adventurers. They did have their own currency which were counterfeit Spanish coins made by a shady merchant in New Orleans. Legal tender was hard to find and keep so the residents just used the phony money for everyday transactions.
Actually the Confederate states was never reconizeb by the USA
The CSA didn't succeed with anything, existed on the premise of owning people as property, and their flag was the white flag of surrender. They don't deserve recognition apart from the fact that Reconstruction didn't happen for long enough.
@@shadibeidas1 It wasn't over owning people. Most Northerners could care less if the Southerners owned slaves and were happy to turn in runaway slaves to earn the large rewards. It was over state's rights. The Southern states were outnumbered in Congress which had been passing hefty export tariffs on cotton and other southern agricultural products to keep their prices lower for the Northern industrialists and general population since the European countries were willing to buy as much as the Southern states could produce. The Southern states' governments were controlled by the wealthy planters so they agreed to break away from the USA to form their own country.
Yes, obvious why it's not included, but it should mentioned straight up. Like "Countries That Used To Exist Inside The United States (other than the CSA)" it doesn't matter that "The USA didn't recognize them"- that's true of most of these, it's just a standard disclaimer that should be made. It was a declared independent nation, as were those that sprouted up around it.
Funny story, my parents were married in Rough and Ready church. I love finding little historical things about the area I grew up. History should be preserved, atrocities and all. We learn from the past and erasing anything is setting up for repeating mistakes
Me too. I grew up in Nevada City. Drive through Rough and Ready to get to Marysville, before Penn Valley freeway. 😂
I feel like you could count a lot more native American ones. I'm sure it depends on what you count as a "country" though. For example, some groups, like the Wabanak Confederacy were essentially anarchist, or based on "consensus government", which basically means that leaders lead by convincing other people to do things, not by forcing them to. There were also probabably a lot of small groups. For example, was the Natchez chiefdom ever a country? I would think so. (I at least think they were probably more like an independent sovereign nation than "The Great Republic of the Rough and Ready" was.) There's also the question of ancient history we can't really know about, like, what exactly was the political organization of the Anasazi?
There's a lot of native countries that were self governed and recognized by the US through treaties, but those treaties were ignored by the US
My ancestors are native American cuz my great grandmother was light and brown. Me and my brother was brown. But light inside. But technically my family was here.
Interesting to think if the Pueblos around the southwest are/were “countries”. They were definitely self sufficient and had their own culture, language, and customs. I see no reason not to call them nation states but I doubt they viewed themselves as such.
@@milkshakesnail8008 What do you think it means for people to view themselves as a "nation state"?
Many people (who I think view the past world as basically Europe) say the concept of a "nation state" basically didn't exist until "nationalism" supposedly appeared in the 19th century and that before then there were only "states" that weren't "nations". "Nation state" seems like a very narrow concept, if so, though I actually totally doubt the premise.
In any case, the concept of a "tribe" as a large ethno-geo-graphic entity is basically the same as a "nation", which is why they even call them "first nations" in Canada, and the concept of a "state" basically means any political unit with unified leadership that has significant actual power over the land and people it governs. I suspect many or most, though certainly not all, states north of Mexico were usually smaller than anything good to call a nation in post-contact times, but that's potentially just like city states in Greece or Germany, and there were plenty of nations that were small and even states that could at least arguably be called multi-national.
That being said, some things that might look like states might not be because of the nature of the political organization, such as the Wabanak confederacy (around Maine and New Brunswick) which was one of I think at least several examples of what could be called Native American anarchism.
No one is native to America
In Brazil, we have similar entities on our history. The Rio-Grandense, Piratini and Acre Republic are some examples.
Im quite interested in the Acre republic, as a Brazilian what do you think if it comes back?
@@adrumasahead2815 The Republic of Acre was an initiative of the locals to later be annexed to Brazil, as happened with Texas in the United States. I am very surprised that we do not know statistics on the use of the Spanish language in the State, since it previously belonged to Bolivia.
Let’s hope they make a video. I love learning about countries.
Sitting back home in Scotland and having lived in Brattleboro VT for a few years, I have a VT license plate but I’d love to get my hands on the Vermont Republic flag ! Never knew it existed !
Have a replica made.
The flag is still in use by the Vermont National Guard
Super cool video, I’ve always wanted to know about these! If you do a part two, include Absaroka
The Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) do still exist today. In fact, their national team is competing in the 2022 World Lacrosse Games next month and they have their own passports. But this is really the issue of Indigenous sovereignty: to what extent do current Native people rule themselves today? Great video either way.
If your a christian// you need to repent of your sins PLZ
@@petros8478 as a Christian
stop forcing them
You totally forgot the biggest nation that existed in what is now the United States - The Confederate States of America (CSA) 1861 -1865. Many of the states thereof had briefly been independent nations until the CSA was formed in Montgomery Alabama.
You mean the traitors!
@@anamariaguadayol2335 you can say the same of the original US.
Funny when a group of states suceed for the same reasons as the US. They are called traitors by some.
Too bad we still have those same problems that the CSA had.
And its why our country is doing so bad.
@@baddog9320 oh, I should have been more specific, the slave keepers?
@@anamariaguadayol2335 again you are wrong.
Lol.
Please. Learn US history.
Stop relying on half truths.
My ancestors were still slaves until 1910.
Oh but they were not black. So they don't count right?
To add to this. Unless you wish to include the mountain region. ( which the liars never do) It was a Union state they were slaves in until 1910. ( California)
But that was not the only union state that still had slave after the end of the Civil War. To include black slaves.
Yeah, you didn't learn that.
You assumed that only the CSA had slaves. And that all slaves were freed in the US during the Civil War.
In truth, all formal CSA states gave up thier black slaves prior to the union states giving up thier black slaves.
I say black slaves, because there are others not black. That were slaves and kept past 1910.
I know, you think Lincoln's emancipation proclamation. Did this as many do.
Nope.
The union slave states didn't free black slaves until all the Confederacy did.
The Civil War was no more over slavery then the Gulf War was over babies.
Yeap there is a sliver of truth to both those. But its not the major reason for either.
It would be interesting to see one of these on Russia.
Yes!
Someone made this already, mostly short-lived statelets during Soviet/Russian revolution... can't remember the name.
Also India 🇮🇳 Brazil 🇧🇷
Canada 🇨🇦 Indonesia 🇮🇩
Mexico🇲🇽 & USA 🇺🇸
Russia is still the Prison of Nations, so I would say a video on this sort of topic would be more than appropriate
If America was like Russia, the Navajo nation, or the Cherokee nation would be states, same way as Tatarstan, Buryatia, Kalmykia, Ingushetia, Shaka...so different tribes in the U.S. would have different states. But the Navajo nation is divided among four states...
Very informative. Great content.
It might help if you reduced the plosives on your mic with a pop filter or running a low cut/high-pass filter. The low end plosives are tough to deal with when using headphones/earbuds.
Anyway, keep it coming!
There was an attempt to succeed from the US in the late 60’s, called forgottonia. It included 16 counties in central west Illinois, because that area was being overlooked by major infrastructure projects like the interstate
The Iroquois Confederacy flag still flies in the Mohawk reserve/town of Kahnawake (Kahnawá:ke) in Quebec, and probably elsewhere, and it’s also called the Six Nations flag
Iroquois is a derogatory term applied to the people of the confederacy by the Algonquians of what is now Quebec. The proper term is Haudenosaunee, The People Who Build Longhouses.
Lol they think the Canadian flag is so ugly they hafta fly their own flag. If they’d just move to the us they wouldn’t have to look at the Canadian flag anymore.
Deseret has always fascinated me and not just because it looks like it could be the playable area of Fallout New Vegas.
For quite some time, the rest of the country was perfectly content to leave the "desert" of Deseret to the Mormons, believing the land to be essentially worthless. Then silver, copper, nickel, and other metals, along later with coal, were discovered, and suddenly the "Gentiles" (and yes, in the now largely-discarded practice, a Jew could be a "Gentile" in Utah) got quite interested in the place.
President Lincoln, who did not care much for the Mormons, allowed the miners that were working the Comstock Lode in Silver City to break away from Deseret as the Nevada territory, and, even though it had but 10K persons, instead of the some 60K that Congress usually required for a state to be viable, it was admitted about three months prior to the 1864 election...the State constitution being transmitted via telegraph at a cost of over $4,000! Nevada further cut into the Utah territory in 1866 over the protests of the Utahns, bringing in what are now the present cities of Elko, Wells, and Ely, though at the time, they were practically rail watering stops only. FWIW, it also got the part of the Arizona Territory west and north of the Colorado river to the Utah-Nevada line, which was essentially most of present-day Clark County. Just imagine...Las Vegas, AZ!
The remainder of Deseret beyond Utah's present borders was likewise excised off to Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Idaho, and even parts of SE Oregon, but with the exception of present-day SE Idaho, save for the Native Americans already there, which were quite few, there was little interest in settling those areas on the part of the Mormons.
Was thinking thr same thing. [Just played Fallout 4 before watching this]
In our lovely deseret, where the saints of god have met
If your a christian// you need to repent of your sins PLZ
Very well researched. Except for the pronunciations of the Native American names; they were almost all incorrect.
The narrator might not be a native English speaker. Listen to him pronounce the Spanish names. Rolls off his tongue.
@@cathiwim Or at least not an American, and nothing wrong with that. It's just a matter of not having heard the names before and transliterations of NA words almost never sounding like they look. And apparently I have no problem with his Spanish.
Texas will always remember the decade we were a country. We didn't try breaking away from the US but from Mexico. We joined the US as a state while every other state started as a territory
Feel free to come down to San Antonio, you can visit the 5 missions from when Spain claimed Texas, the missions and San Antonio celebrated their 300th anniversary back in 2018, when 2036 rolls around there will be the 200th anniversary of a Texas winning independence from Mexico.
The State of Franklin was a brief attempt at forming a republic into a separate state along the North Carolina-Tennessee border after the Revolutionary War.
Then there was the big nation that appeared between 1861 and 1865....
State of Franklin - what an interesting place...!
In 1784, sought independence / secession.
In 1861, sought to remain in the union.
...and was the homestead of the post civil war President of the United States, Andrew Johnson.
Can you imagine? 5 days after the surrender of General Lee, the US was led by a man proudly from a Confederate State... about a year before Tennessee was re-admitted into the Union.
Definitely a place and people that hold true to their values.
@@ChurchOfTheHolyMho Well, east Tennessee was against slavery and wanted to remain in the Union.
I'm close to Franklin, just up the ridge.....
Last battle of the war of aggression was in Waynesville North Carolina victory the union surrendered to Thomas's legion of cherokee and highlanders.....
@@gregcampwriter My grandfather was from Scott County, TN/Whitley County, KY.
His thing " The only thing worse than a slave is the man who own one."
He also said the Northerners did not need slaves. They had the Irish.
One of the other stories from him
Many of those from that Cumberland Gap area are descendants of those running from the King's taxes.
Daniel Boone was not the 1st one to go there. He was the one that was famous for it.
You should look into the Seminole people. They’re a tribe that emerged as a result members of the Creek tribe being moved after the American Revolution. Their alliance was so strong, they never fully surrendered to the US, and as a result there is a Seminole Tribe of Oklahoma, and two Seminole Tribes in Florida that still to this very day occupies land THEY annexed in the Florida Everglades.
Met big cheif Billy seminals no surrender
Never lost a battle or skirmish against the US forces either.
@@mindmedic9435 they did lose battles to American forces.
It was the war they didn't lose.
Stolen land colonizers- seminoles
Yet Florida has a hard time paying them tax dues twice or was it 3 times so far 1 default results in Florida loses all tax revenue from all casinos and no I am not joking and yes Florida is the guilty party , yet the Seminole nation never once has defaulted but has allowed Florida to default and not void the treaty/contract, this many do not know, the next time when in Florida and in a casino of theirs remember these words of truth.
@@heliosgnosis2744 The Seminole tribe of Florida is a sovereign nation. They have their own government, and they do not pay taxes of any kind to the state or federal government.
The Seminoles and the State of Florida have a “revenue share agreement.” This agreement has the seminoles paying 12%-15% to be the only casino operators in the state, and offer slots, poker, and banked card games (like blackjack).
The Seminoles have stopped paying their portion of the revenue share agreement twice as a result of the state allowing non-Seminole casinos to operate, thereby violating the Seminoles’ exclusivity deal that was part of the revenue share agreement.
Breckenridge, Colorado, was supposedly not included in the Louisiana Purchase, the Mexican Cession, or any other land acquisition by the US. In recent years, some local residents continue to refer to the town as the "Kingdom of Breckenridge."
I want to thank you for the amazing information you provide to your viewers. This is fascinating material. I appreciate all of your efforts. Many thanks!
So I'm a Mvskoke (Muscogee Creek) man from Oklahoma and its pronounced Mus-co-gee like geese. Love your videos! You rocking General! Mvto and Hvtvm!
I told him to listen to some Merle Haggard. Okie from Muskogee is a classic.
He needs to work on his Indian nations-- Muscogee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Iroquois, Oneida in particular. (And "sought", not " seeked".)
Otherwise, a fine job. I know loads of this kind of history, and still learned things here.
Good luck pronouncing the Miami tribe in northeast OK!
@@tsarsymbion oh yeah xD this ain't Florida folks
What? Mee-yaw-mee?
As Shelby Foote said in Ken Burns' The Civil War, before the war people said, "The United States are..."; but after the war, they said, "The United States is...".
The change came as a result of a transformation from a constitutional republic into a tyrannical empire where the Constitution of the United Stats is largely ignored.
It was after the Civil War that the federal government started seizing increasing control. Before that secession was always a danger.
There is some great info on the show I used to watch "how the states got their shapes" there were a couple others mentioned in that two season series.
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It is a nice change of pace to see and hear one of these informational videos without it being part of someone else's reaction video!
Until now, I've never heard the names, Muskogee, Iroquois, Chickasaw, King Kamehameha, pronounced like you did them!
@General Knowledge It seemed like you told a more “lighter” “nicer” story of Oklahoma and the Indian Territory. The reason why the Cherokee Nation was dissolved was mainly because of the Trail of Tears
You mean gold and bigotry was the reason for dissolving it. The walk out was a result, not a cause.
Well, the Nation is back and stronger than before
That's what happens when two factions war and one losses. Just ask the survivors of the tribes the Cherokee massacred over the years.
@@Sandlin22 They also fought a Civil War between opposing factions that was within the US Civil War
The USA had zero interest in Cherokee land until gold was discovered in Dahlonega or near there. Then suddenly, the civilized Cherokee were no longer human, & the USA had a desperate need to annex their land. It's the part of Christianity where you destroy your neighbor to take his gold, found somewhere in Acts.
The Articles of Confederation which governed the US until the Constitution replaced it was based on the legal framework of the Iroquois Confederacy. The Six Nations Confederacy (and the 5 beforehand) had a system based around consensus. Each of the six had a lead council with ministers under them responsible for the usual porfolios, trade, defense etc. and there would annual meetings where all would gather. The ministerial staff would bring issues to the attention of the leaders who would hash it out with their counterparts in the other 4 / 5 nations with round the clock negotiations until a consensus was reached. This system was refined from 14th until the 18th cent.
The Articles of Confederation were not based on any indigenous Indian groups. The compact was one among sovereign nations, and the Congress was based on England's parliamentary system.
I learn something new every day, thanks for this video!
Awesome video dude👍
it’s strange seeing so much talk about vermont in a youtube video, since i live there it’s just kinda exciting to get talked about like that since it’s so small
Hey! Love your videos, keep them coming! :-)
Have you ever look into the flag ratio? It’s quite niche, but as a designer I appreciate this kind of details.
For example, the Canadian province of Quebec has a flag with a ratio of 2:3. But when it flies next to the Canadian flag, that has a 1:2 ratio, they use an alternative version of the flag with the same ratio.
You talked about shapes, but I thing the subtlety of ratio is interesting.
Thx
Look up the Dimmitt flag from 1835 Goliad, Texas. White background with a red severed arm dripping blood and holding a sword. It symbolizes, 'I'd cut off an arm rather than live under tyrann!'
From your list at beginning, it looks like you’ve omitted the State of Franklin (comprised of territory located within modern day Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina). It may be small, but a neat story nonetheless. Dig the work though! Great job!! 😁🤙
Very interesting. Australia was also made up of separate colonies which federated in 1901. Western Australia was originally called the 'Swan River colony', Victoria was originally 'Australia Felix', and Tasmania was 'van Dieman's Land'. This situation might also make another interesting video?
Besides Hawaii, Texas was the only real country on this list with embassies and diplomatic recognition with France, The UK and the United States.
Native Texan here. When I’m driving and people are going too slow or can’t drive and it’s not a Texas license plate, I immediately refer to them as foreigners! You know, those people from Oklahoma, California, Massachusetts, etc. 😂😂😂
What about the Fredonia Republic that was centered in Nacogdoches prior to Texas declaring its independence. There is a small black community outside of Kilgore, Tx that took its name from that country.
@michaelgriffin7943 Yes, they declared independence but didn't function as a nation, nor were they recognized as one.
A good thing to do this because many of the flags would not be seen except in this context. An exception would be the Iroquois flag which still flies in places in Canada. The Sea Shepard Society once registered a ship under the Iroquois flag to avoid having to fly a Canadian one.
The Bonnie Blue can be seen in the "Florida" parishes of Louisiana. For instance there's a section of I-12 which is considered the Bonnie Blue highway and has a blue sign with a single large white star in the center.
Do you draw everything? If this is the case then you have a really good skill as well as making great content!
That was fascinating and worth the watch.
You're a gem. Thank you for your history lessons 😊
Very good job, but you forgot one country: The CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA
They forgot themselves
They werent by definition a real country, they checked all boxes exept one, Independence... if they won the civil war (which they didnt) they would be independent because that was basically their Revolutionary War
The Confederate States were never recognized as a Sovereign Nation
I've heard of two allegedly unrecognized micronations within the US called Molossia (1977) and Slowjamastan (2021), you can visit them both in Nevada and California respectively.
Not a country, but there was a state called Franklin that consisted of several counties in East Tennessee. It was never formally recognized as a state though. This was in the 1700s sometime. I learned about this in our last trip down south. Pretty fascinating stuff.
The Free Republic of Franklin, better known as the State of Franklin (or simply Franklin), was a sovereign nation. John Sevier sought recognition by Spain for the new republic. Spain did provide him and his family with Spanish passports and a small fortune in gold, but did not officially recognize this new State. Spain was already in negotiations with the then self-styled United States to wage war against England (for in this they found common cause) and recognizing Franklin could have caused diplomatic issues since North Carolina also claimed the region.
Some people in Eastern Washington and Northern Idaho wanted to create the State of Franklin, Northern Idaho was unhappy because they were isolated and ignored by Southern Idaho where Boise is and most of the population while Eastern Washington wanted secede because it at liberal Western Washington exist in different universes.
Yes! I'm a descendant of John Sevier and his second wife, Bonny Kate.
@@deanfirnatine7814 That was the proposal for the state of Lincoln. But that never became an independent country or really went beyond proposal stage.
The legacy of the Republic of West Florida in Louisiana is memorialized with the Parishes of: East Baton Rouge, Livingston, East and West Feliciana, St. Helena, St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, and Washington known as the "Florida Parishes", this area was once part of West Florida.
on i-12 from pearl river to baton rouge are signs for the 'west florida parkway' featuring the bonnie blue flag
Yes, and those two little "panhandles" which give Alabama and Mississippi a tiny little bit of seacoast.
Would the Republic of Louisiana count as a brief country?
You should do a video on Independence parties in countries in specific regions (Europe, Asia, Africa, The Americas)
Excellent content and Presentation.
Just dropped a follow loved the vid .. going to binge your channel 💯🍿
So many people say that the USA has very little history. True, it doesn't go very far back in time, but a lot of stuff has taken place during its existence.
Ian compared to countries that has existed for millennias it really doesn't, however the landmass that is the continent of the Americas does have a long rich history
@@jubmelahtes But how many countries have existed for millennia? Egypt? Nope. 1922. Greece? Nope. 1822. China? Nope. 1949. For whatever reason, people make a distinction between the actual formation of the US and any history that happened in its territory prior to 1776, but they fail to make that same distinction for old world countries. Fact is, the US is officially an older country than many old world countries.
@@jubmelahtes Laughs in Inca and Mayans.
You missed the conch republic, declared in 1982 in key west
You know that's a joke, right?
@@xviper2k What do you mean, it’s a glorious republic, that I now just realized still exists so wouldn’t be added to this list, with its wonderful time zone of summer.
@@dahammer78 Riiiiiight. *wink wink*
should’ve mentioned the trail of tears in the 10:43 part because that’s why the Cherokee moved from tennessee/kentucky to oklahoma
ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING !!! Puts a whole new perspective on U.S. History.
In Amelia Island, Florida the 8 flags which have flown over the Island are celebrated. Including the Patriots of Amelia Island ("East Florida") and MacGregor's Green Cross. There's also the Mexican Rebel flag (Blue & White checkerboard) which are all involved together in before Madison takes and returns Amelia Island to Spain. (The other 5 flags are Spanish, French, English, USA and Confederate) Search for the Isle of 8 Flags.
Thanks! I live here and it's nice to know others know about the history of our little island
Noticed that a lot happened in or near Florida. What about the Conch Republic in Key West?
After the Revolution, the US south itself would definitely make up the bulk of the US's history. I mean, just about anything. Slavery, Trail of Tears, Southern Gothic, wars lynchings, genocides, race riots, you name it, it's definitely the South.
Some would say it's not extinct, it pops up now and then to protest something!
i live in one of the west florida parishes in louisiana, the region from baton rouge to the ms border, north of lake ponchatrain are considered the west florida parishes, i never knew we had a republic until like 7th grade ss now im entering 9th grade so its been like 2 years, crazy.
Utah still really loved to use the desert name in various stuff around here. For example, we have a Thrift store chain run by the LDS church called Deseret Industries, and one of our local newspapers is called Deseret News
That's because those are owned by the Church. Anything with Deseret in the name is likely owned by the LDS Church.
👍👍 very cool & informative ☺️
From all those Nations Vermont is the only one that had it's own currency?
Awesome video by the way.
No texas had its own currency but it was short lived
Deseret also had its own currency for a short while, instituted by the Deseret Currency Association. It was backed up by livestock instead due to the low amounts of gold and silver.
Hawaii had its own currency too
After seeing this video I looked for Vermont coppers on ebay. There seem to be more of them in better condition at the price than the Fugio cents of the US. They remind me of the halfpennies of George III, the seated figure on the back looks like Britannia, but with the words Independence and Liberty instead.
Only Texas had embassies and diplomatic relations with other nations
john brant moved the 6 nations to southern Ontario, and the six nations of the grand river is still under six nations control, although it has diminished in size, and Canada did not help at first and arguably at all.
The G in Muskogee is hard as in "get," as per the song "Okie from Muskogee."
Great topic and interesting content, yes do it for other Nations
Would you do a video on the origin of Caribbean Sea Nation names?
Napoléon the third actually wanted to establish a small country for native countries if they mexican campaign was successful but it failed, even the British actually wanted to do the same in 1812 war but the war was a draw so no one benifited from it except the canndians who burned down the white house.
*for Native Americans
*british, Canadians did not exist
Hell, the US almost gave them an entire state to run as their own country during the American Revolution, if all the tribes in Ohio would side with them, but there was miscommunication & the tribes didn't understand what they were being asked/ offered, so barely any helped & the US tore up the treaty after the war was over. The Confederates were also going to allow Mississippi to be entirely Native Run, since it still had a somewhat large Native American population, irregardless of the Indian Removals. It almost happened a lot of times.
8:33 I live on Amelia Island. We still fly the East Florida flag, the Green cross, and the Spanish, along with a few other obscure ones
You forgot to mention The Sabine Free State. It also was formally known as the Neutral Ground between the USA and the Spanish that had differing opinions over the SW border of the Louisiana Purchase. It was a large long stretch of land in Western Louisiana than ran from the Sabine River in the west to the Arroyo Hondo in the east. The two countries decided it wasn't worth fighting over using arms so agreed to keep their militaries out of it while working on a diplomatic solution. It already had Anglo Spanish, French and American settlers living there along with small communities of pirate families and various native tribes so they were allowed to govern themselves. It soon became a haven for fugitives from the law, criminals, adventurers and other riff-raff. The Neutral Ground became lawless with their criminal activity spilling over into East Texas. Gangs would monitor the wagon trains of settlers going to the Texas colonies then raid them to steal everything they had, kill the men and sell the women and children to the natives as slaves. The US and the Spain sent troops in 1810 and 1812 to clear out the gangs from that region. The Sabine Free State also had a de facto currency that consisted of counterfeit Spanish coins that were produced by an enterprising French resident of New Orleans. Since those weren't solid gold or silver and only plated, the residents of the neutral ground didn't have to worry about those being stolen for their precious metals so were accepted in payment for goods and services. The Neutral Ground became part of the USA after a treaty was signed in 1821 that set the border along the Sabine River. That region and much of East Texas remained lawless for the next 50 years.
Texas also had several short-lived republics before the Texians declared independence from Mexico. One was the Republic of Fredonia in East Texas that was formed on December 21, 1826 and dissolved by the Mexican Army and Texian militias on January 31, 1827. It's leader was a Southern planter that was award a local land grant to colonize and realized he could grab more from the current landowners that owned land given to them by the Spanish but couldn't produce a deed to prove ownership. He raised a militia of local residents that wanted a part of the action and adventurers from the Neutral Ground. Then he made treaties with the Cherokee bands that had relocated to East Texas promising them more land. His militia seized Nacogdoches and raised a flag with two stripes of white and red, which indicated unity with the natives. The Cherokee had second thoughts so failed to send warriors when the 100 Mexican soldiers and 275 Texian militiamen arrived on January 31 to regain control of the region. The Army of Fredonia fled after a 10 minute fight with the superior forces. The perps fled to the USA and the Cherokee executed the two chiefs that signed the treaty for involving them in the venture. Due to that rebellion, the Spanish then stationed a larger garrison of soldiers at Nacogdoches to monitor then halt the flow of settlers entering from the Neutral Ground along the El Camino Real and from the north from Arkansas (safest route for avoiding bandits). The East Texians became fed up with the Mexican government so ran off their army garrisons at Nacogdoches and other towns in 1832. Santa Anna became highly concerned about East Texians ignoring Mexican laws so formed an army to march up there before Austin and others declared the Republic of Texas.
Excellent synopsis.
As you said in the video, Deseret was merely a proposed territory/state of the U.S., *never* an independent country by either intent nor practice! Once their land became part of the U.S. after the Mexican-American War, the Mormons had no political interest in anything beyond remaining loyal U.S. citizens. They were also not autonomous in practice, as an accepted territorial government under the U.S. was quickly established, the only differences in opinion being the size and name of the territory.
You might want to look up the Mormon War of 1857-1858. Mormons who settled Utah were not too keen on allowing non-Mormons appointed by Washington to run the territory. Mormon militia attacked US Army troops assigned to the territory and on September 11, 1857 they massacured a California bound wagon train. Through the fall and into the spring the Mormon militia attacked US Army posts in the Utah Territory. In June 1858 President Buchanan offered the Mormons a pardon in exchange for accepting the authority of the US government. Utah would remain under military occupation until the territory legislature agreed to a speration between the government and the LDS Church.
@@erwin669 the Utah War was more of a cold war, very little, if any, actual engagements took place. unfortunately the Mountain Meadows Massacre did happen and is inexcusable but be careful you don't accidentally buy into anti Mormon propaganda
@@erwin669 Wow, do you have your facts wrong!
1) The Mountain Meadows Massacre was committed by people from a single town without any approval from any higher level of leadership in the territory. They were in fact told to let them go, but the return message arrived too late.
2) No army posts were ever attacked.
3) No such pardon offer was ever made, especially since the Territory had always accepted the authority of the U. S. Government. While Brigham Young was an unpopular territorial Governor in D.C., he peaceful stepped down when he was replaced.
4) Federal troops were only sent by Buchanan due to false rumors and incomplete information in an extremely embarrassing move by the President. The troops left shortly after arrival once they saw for themselves that there was no reason for them to be there.
As a kid I read about the small country of Franklyn...late 1700's(?) When the US annexed it, they gave the people their own county, inside North Carolina. I always thought it was located near or on Franklyn, NC, but, Franklyn County is more in the middle of the state of NC, near Raleigh. I also thought it was located in the corners area of Georgia, Tennessee, and N. Carolina.
howdy, Sam.
the State or Republic of Franklin/ Frankland was formed in what are now 7 counties in East Tennessee. our capital was Jonesboro.
after a year as an independent republic, we were almost a state twice; once in the early 1790s, and the second time just before the secession of Tennessee during the Civil War.
@the dread tyger if I recall Franklin was not part of the Confederacy. It stood as an independent state.
@@justmenotyou3151 the issue of Secession was largely opposed in most of what was once Franklin, as it was in many places in the South. several of my forebears fought for the Union.
When Tennessee proceeded to leave the Union this entire end of the state tried to secede from Tennessee and remain with the union, except for one county. We were quickly invaded by the Confederacy. That didn't stop pro-union locals from sabotaging infrastructure, i.e. railroads. They were executed by the Confederacy. In Greene county there is a federal monument to the bridge burners.
Interested didn't know this
You probably should have done a combo USA and Canada for this one, as quite a few of these span over both current boarders.
including the missing Republic of Madawaska
Also worthy of mention would have been the Russian presence in northern California in the early 1800's. Fort Ross is now a "Historic Park", but there was a lot more to the story than just a small fort!
crazy right, california belongs to russia???
I lived in Vermont in the 80,s and I recall buying a special license plate that said “ The independent republic of Vermont “ . I wish I still had it .
In 1991 the state after 200 years was supposed to vote on staying in the union or becoming independent again but I never heard them even considering leaving . I read somewhere that Vermont was considering joining Quebec , don’t know how serious they were .
Please do not encourage the Quebecois 😅
I would hope they would not join Quebec; Vermont is one of the freest states in the US, and would give that up.
As someone who has lived most of his life in the area of the Muskogee/Creek Nation of Oklahoma, I have never heard anyone mispronounce "Muskogee" like that before. The 'g' is a "hard g" like it "go" and "get" not the "soft g" you used.
In here florida, some government buildings still wave those old flags, always wondered where they came form, now I know, thanks for the great video!
If I had to guess I would bet the stars on the Deseret Flag stood for the 12 Apostles and the large star either stood for the prophet or perhaps Chirst HImself. But thats just a guess.
I see Cherokee Nation license plates all the time where I live, I think they’re definitely still their own nation lol
Even though you don't really mention it, it's cool to see you used the painting of Ethan Allen capturing Fort Ticonderoga.
This is really interesting.
For a grand four days Alabama was its own country before joining the CSA
As an American who is interested in history (and who lives in San Diego, California, a former part of the "State of Deseret"), I found this informative! I didn't know there were _three_ countries in Florida. Thanks for the information!
4 actually.
- East Florida
- West Florida
- The Floridas
- Muskogee
I didn’t know even that I am from Florida
@@shonenjumpmagneto So that's not SIX Flags over Florida (Spain, France, the UK, the USA, The CSA, and the Florida State flag), bur TEN.
I am from sandiego too
That’s cool information
"Americans" are all people who live in the American continent, not just in the United States
There were three other republics of Texas. First from 1812-1813, next was 1819-1821, and the last one existed for a month in 1861. There were also a few short lived countries like the republics of Fredonia and the Rio Grande. 1826-1827 and 1840 respectively.
The Iroquios Confederate is still in existence. They currently occupy several reservations with New YOrk state and Wisconsin, including the Onondaga Reservation which is located about five to ten miles from my house
I can't think of one thing you said about the Cherokee Nation that was even close to correct. I'm a Cherokee, I still live in the Cherokee Nation.
So much history I didn't know about. This video was very interesting & educational. Keep it up!
Also in Florida is the Conch Republic in Key West ... but who knows how serious that really is. They do have a flag though and you included the Rough and Ready folks.
The reason the Cherokee moved to Oklahoma is because they were forced to by Andrew Jackson. Commonly refer to as the “Trail of Tears”, the United States Government forced the people off of their homelands to Oklahoma, and many many people died. Then, the land that was promised them in Oklahoma was also eventually taken away as more people moved west.
Aw well the Cherokee still faired far better in the long run. The Cherokee had no problem committing genocides on tribes that got in their way. That's the nature of history it's gross all around.
Cry me a trail of tears 😂😂😂😂😭😭
That trek was made worse for everyone due to unusually bad weather that prevented the transport of supplies to the towns/forts along the way.
Maybe you should include a mention of the Conch Republic (Florida Keys). Whether legitimate or not, it's at least an interesting story.
McDonald Territory was an extralegal, unrecognized territory of the United States that existed for a short time in 1961. The area comprised all of present-day McDonald County, Missouri, United States. A provisional government chose the name when they attempted to secede the county from the state of Missouri in 1961. I remeber this when I was child. The story was that they were left off the map.
where’s the Burger King territory?
I wish you could do a pt2
There was also the State of Franklin, an area in east TN and Western NC.
You left out "The First Republic of Texas," April 1813-August 1813, where local citizens of San Antonio revolted against Spain. A man named Guiterez recruited volunteers in Louisiana along with an American named McGee. The McGee Guiterez Expedition returned to San Antonio and defeated the Spanish north west of the city. Seeking to get their POW's back they learned they had all been killed and tortured by local citizens. McGee and many volunteers were disgusted and many returned to Louisiana. McGee died before leaving and *Samuel Kemper took over leadership of the volunteers. (*A cousin of John Kemper of Kempers Bluff near Victoria and a volunteer at San Jacinto. This man was captured, eaten, then killed by Karankawa Indians in the 1840's.) In August of 1813 the Spanish returned to exact vengeance and defeated the rebels just south of San Antonio in what is known as "Battle of Encinal de Medina," the largest battle ever fought on Texas soil. Over 800 rebels killed and 800 cannon shots fired.
Another short lived state after the Civil War was "The Free State of Jones." Created in an area of the deep south by free slaves and whites who together sought order where none existed and rejected both Confederate and Union rule.
The Karankawa was a miserable tribe that was disliked by the natives, early explorers, the Spanish, Mexicans and settlers alike for practicing cannibalism. They're believed to be Caribs that made it from the islands to South America in the 1600's and began migrating to the north to end up living along the Texas Coastal Bend. They were the only coastal tribe that practiced covering their bodies with shark oil to drive away mosquitos and keep their skin soft. It also made them smell really bad like rotting fish which didn't help them to make friends with other tribes and Anglo newcomers.
"Americans" are all people who live in the American continent, not just in the United States
I think it's pretty questionable to say that the Iroquois Confederacy lacked a united national identity, since all of the member tribes spoke related "Northern Iroquoian" languages and stayed politically united for at least a hundred years, and possibly for several hundred years.
*though some non-menbers also spoke Iroquoian languages, and even Northern Iroquoian languages. "Southern Iroquoian" basically means Cherokee, if you're curious.
While never formally recognized, the story of the Conch Republic always brings a smile
My wife’s great great grandfather, Myron Hanchett, was one of the first Caucasians born in the early settlement of San Bernardino, in 1856. The Mormons purchased a large tract of land from Don Lugo for $50,000 in that area, which included Redlands, Ca. It became part of the nation of Deseret, from 1851-1857, at the behest of Brigham Young. Unfortunately, then President James Buchanan declared war on Utah in 1857. The settlers were needed up in Utah, to defend the main Salt Lake City area. So, they left Southern California, at that time.
While you did throw down some historical Knowledge it’s extremely limited and only briefly mentioned a couple of facts about native nations.
There were over 500 independent native nations existing in this country. Many still exist and are still sovereign nations. Nation is essentially a country when that nation has its own government.
Just because the United States decided to militarily disrupt these tribal nations enslave and imprison their citizens does not mean their nations “countries” did not exist.
The Cherokees Nation exists today as 3 independent nations of people with their own constitutions and courts. Prevented from having a military by the US government. Still considered a sovereign nation. The government still recognizes the sovereignty of the people and the boundaries as decided by the US government after illegally removing many different nations of people. There are many others as well. Especially in what is now Oklahoma.
True, but these "nations" don't have the same self-determination and territorial integrity that a "nation" typically has. They're still all subordinate to the United States, and they're all US citizens, with obligations to pay taxes and/or serve in the US military if demanded. One has to have actual lineage to be a member of these "native" nations, merely moving into their territory and wanting to join won't suffice. And members of these nations don't lose their status by leaving their respective reservations.
@Douglas Self A nation can be a group of people defined by any number of certain shared characteristics. Territory is only one example of those characteristics, others include culture, language, ethnicity. Many First Nations are defined by all of these features, including historically shared territory. If someone has relocated from or to a territory, it does not mean they no longer belong to their original nation, particularly when they still share other nation defining characteristics. Confusion might come about because of varying but similar definitions of nation but you really must consider what definition a person is using through context.
Similarly in definitions of either a nation or country it is not essential to have exclusive rights to taxation. There can be many nations within a country that do not pay tax to a group identical to their nation, examples would be people of the Cherokee Nation paying taxes to the United States government. Another example is 'non-sovereign' countries who might have all or part of their government, military etc controlled or provided by another country - an example being American Samoa.
Lineage requirements are often required to join any nation, country or state. If I moved to the US as a foreign citizen and simply said I wanted to join the US I would not be able to on just those grounds. Lineage requirements is an example of self-determination that Native American tribes have and nearly two-thirds of Federally recognised tribes do exercise lineage requirements to identify as a member. Similarly if I physically left my country I would not lose citizenship. Many countries also enforce types of 'jus sanguinis' where nationality or citizenship is determined by lineage.
To tie back to the purpose of this video in discussing countries that used to exist in the United States, Native American nations do fit this classification. A country is a nation with its own government, occupying a certain territory. Historically these First Nations groups did entirely self-govern within their territories and your comment has made some insightful points about how through interference they do not all exist entirely in that capacity today. Many of the other countries that were included in the video would not meet your arbitrary requirements either. I hope you can take the time to reflect on why you deemed it necessary to reply to a comment about these certain countries that were not discussed in the video about why they do not meet your fallible definitions of "nations".
@@jarrodmcdonald9950 Utter nonsense, Jarrod. Members of "Indian" (I don't care for that term) nations have a TRIBAL status, not a NATIONAL one, they're US Citizens. IDK how Canada regards members of First Nations, but I'd be surprised if they're not also considered Canadian citizens. It's a legal status, not a tribal one.
@Douglas Self I'm sorry you didn't understand my comment. If you don't like the term you do not have to use it.
Native American groups can be considered Tribal Sovereigns and Nations at the same time, the two are not mutually exclusive. Yes, their government structures are defined as 'Tribal Governments' in how they interact with the US Federal government. At the same time Native American Tribes' ethnic, cultural, linguistic and historical territory definitions are that of nations.
The US government does define Native American Tribes as nations.
www.justice.gov/otj/native-american-policies
"The Department of Justice Policy on Indian Sovereignty and Government-to-Government Relations with Indian Tribes reaffirms the Justice Department's recognition of the sovereign status of federally recognized Indian tribes as domestic dependent nations"
Anyhow I do not think it should be left up to an occupying power to define a group it has dispossessed.
Dictionary definitions of nation/nationality include:
Merriam Webster
-an ethnic group constituting one element of a larger unit (such as a nation)
'the country is home to five nationalities.'
-a tribe or federation of tribes (as of American Indians)
'the Seminole Nation in Oklahoma'
Collins (American English)
-a member tribe of an Native American confederation
-an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages
@@jarrodmcdonald9950 A wee hint that'll help you not only in your writing but other means of communication, and/or your personal and/or work relationships: take responsibility that YOU communicated what you'd intended properly, not that others didn't understand you. Your condescension, likely not intentional, puts me off and is mildly offensive.
I don't fault others for using the term "Indian", which has long been generic for various Native nationalities and tribes long before either of us were around. But if possible, I prefer to use their tribal affilation where known, i.e., 'Navajo", "Cherokke", and so on. It means something to THEM, and I try to use that identity that they describe themselves with. It's simply a form of courtesy.
Yes, as your citation of Webster's points out, there can be "nationalities" within a sovereign nation, and that's where it gets complicated. Most of our "tribal" folks now identify also as AMERICANS, and in that sense, they're the same as I, native-born to to US citizens on "native" (no pun intended) soil, specifically, Calcasieu Parish, LA. But if I, for example, tried to identify as a "tribal" member (like a certain goofy Senator from MA), it'd be seen as a humbug, and rightfully, so, even though I MIGHT have some Cherokee ancestry, but likely it's diluted more than enough to not qualify as a member of the Cherokee "Nations". I certainly haven't been raised to identify as such and know nothing of their heritage and traditions, which is also a characteristic of being part of any "tribe" or "nation". What any bona fide Cherokee would have is a unique status pertaining to that tribal affiliation, but the Cherokee, unless they successfully revolted and by military and political might, did establish themselves as a nation in being, will never have the same status, as, say, the Chechens MIGHT (no guarantees) in Russia. Whether that half-century old tune by Paul Revere and the Raiders is prophetic remains to be seen. But, for the time being, the Cherokee and other "nations" will be "dependent" nations, meaning they have no legal ability to self-determine, which is the typical ability of most "nations" in the common usage. It'd be just as easy to say they're conquered and subjugated peoples, tough as that is to swallow, both for the conquered and the conquerors.
And speaking of RUSSIA, there IS a reason that its name is the Russian FEDERATION. Although certainly a majority (barely) of its population are ethnic Russians, and they have cultural, economic, and political dominance over their country, that country is, in fact, a polygot of various peoples, very distinct in race, ethnicity, and languages. Hence why there are quite a few "republics" and/or "autonomous regions" in the Russian Federation, which identify with the best-known "nationality" therein. It's also a formula for political strife, as the conflict in Chechnya, ongoing since the breakup of the old USSR, starkly reminds the world of. Unlike the overwhelming majority of our "Indians", who, for all practical purposes, are assimilated into the nation that conquered their ancestors, there are quite a few of these "Federal Subjects", as Russian law deems them, that would readily break away from Moscow and establish themselves as a fully independent nation if that were possible.
I think it's kinda funny you didn't mention the Confederate States of America, probably the most important in United States history, over all of the countries you mentioned, and probably more important than all of them combined. Worth its own video in all honesty, not just to get any attention to the slave driving aristocrats of the day, but also because it's such a momentous period of American history that deserves acknowledgement.
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Well, two things to consider: first is, did the North recognize the Confederacy as a "new" country? Second, did any other nations recognize the Confederacy as a nation? I imagine it's a multidimensional argument.
@@JohnnyAngel8 How many of the other "countries" on this list were recognized? For example, Deseret was also never recognized by the United States.
Yeah, but it's still pretty neat to utterly ignore the idiotic and evil enterprise.
Utah choosing the 'bee hive' to boldly state their view to the world makes perfect sense to me. Create the bees in the hive first, then send the missionary ones flying all around to collect all the pollen they can, then bring it back to the hive for the workers to all enjoy. Gee, the bees got hives all over nowadays.
Mm for years in the Wash DC phone book, under diplomatic section, was the embassy of the fictional "Principality Of Outer Boldonia" (based in N Fort Meyer Dr, Arlington). The island does exist off the coast of Canada. Not only that but under their phone entry, the Principality listed a whole host of embassy depts (incl one to the royal jacobite scottish court!!) All of course ficticious but funny if one read them!!