Archmaester Ebrose discusses greyscale with Samwell - Game of Thrones
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- The Archmaester, played by Jim Broadbent, speaks with Samwell about greyscale before and after he successfully treats Ser Jorah
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"I read the books and followed the instructions." That's a pretty big insult to everyone who screwed up.
He turned to page 394
Miko Mido oh no R.I.P Snape :(
@@meekmeads But that's werewolves
Coz the old men are all arrogant.
And the ArchMaester could had replied with ''Hmph you followed instructions...'' as a snarky comeback if need be XD
"How did you do it?"
"I followed the instructions." Me to everyone who ever failed to build IKEA furniture.
LOL
In the story Mr. "Pilosf" was about 100yo with such procedure 100% sure he would fail. Its like a retired Neuro surgeon operating.
... Back in ages some of our best minds were killed and tortured by people like these idiots, we would probably be 500 years more advance if it wasn't for so called high religious zealots.
This is the problem with the current crop of Maesters. They store knowledge but they don't make any use of it.
There's probably a half dozen solutions to the White Walker crisis hidden in that citadel, but most of the Maesters are too blinded by ego to look for it.
but samwell dint wear chains on his neck while removing grayscale cause hes not a measter yet
Uhhh, so true. I don't understand how IKEA has a reputation for hard to build furniture, when even a smooth brain like myself finds them easy.
I just realized archmaester ebrose is also professor slughorn, he really does play a great quirky strict but fun and encouraging immensely intelligent teacher and scholar
He was fantastic as Horace Slughorn I never imagined him as Jim Broadbent by his description in the books but Jim Broadbent really got the character and did it brilliantly I can't imagine anyone else playing Slughorn but him now.
Let's be honest, the Archmaester gave Samwell a great reward: as he copied he learned all he needed to in order to help the Starks later on. Being told to read and copy books and papers so they don't decay into nothing is hardly a punishment lol.
It is if the information is useless.
@@mybuttsmellslikebutterbut207 All information is useful to someone.
@@Excalibur01 yes I am certain the chronicles of the seven kingdoms following the death of King Robert is useful information. Just like real history, half of it is made up.
@@mybuttsmellslikebutterbut207 history is written by the victors. We all know that. Still information you take with a grain of salt.
@@Excalibur01 today I witnessed history. I was on a plane when the pilot mentioned that Queen Elizabeth had passed away. God save the Queen.
"Have you studied the "Greyscale progression", says Archmaester Ebrose. No, but I've studied "How to Cure Greyscale for Dummies", replied Samwell Tarly.
😂😂😂😂😂
I can also recommend: "10 easy ways to cure greyscale for kids". I did it yesterday with my classmates, our teacher rewarded us with 3 bottles of Robby Bubble's sparkling wine for children and a bigbag of m&ms.
“Great job Samuel! Don’t ever fucking do that again.”
"How did you fix my PC?"
"I read the manual and followed the instructions"
I turned it off, waited a few minutes, then turned it back on again...
The Manual?!
Man I would have liked to see more of the archmaester…liked his portrayal a lot
"Don't like the title? What would you call it then?"
"Possibly something more poetic?"
A Song of Fire and Ice, by Archmaester Samewell Tarly
I was thinking the same thing! Only I wonder if it will be 'Grandmaester' to King Jon Targaryen!
Hopefully it won't take Samwell 26+ years to finish it.
From Grandmaester Samwell Tarly to King Aegon Targaryen VI - who began as two underdog youths of the Nights Watch and would eventually end up shaping the destiny of Westeros.
I find it really weird that Lyanna would name ”Jon” Aegon, since Rhaegar already had a kid named Aegon (though that one was already dead at that point, but how were they (hiding out in the Red Mountains) supposed to know that?
It would be really funny if Rhaegar won at the Trident and returned only to find that Lyanna had decided on naming their kid the most generic Targaryen name available, when he himself already had another kid with that same name.
Oh, godness, imagine the confusion in their late life!
Ding ding ding! You are correct
@@facelessvictar8362 I mean there were 2 Aegons during dance of the dragons. Granted they were uncle and nephew, Aegon II and Aegon III, but still.
"I read the book, and followed the instructions." what every math teacher wants to hear
"as an appointed knight, I'll allow you one more day."
Thank you professor slughorn. ❤
I"m not a fan of the latter seasons, but this is, hands down the most realistic scene in the show. "You did an excellent job many of your seniors have attempted, but failed. Here is your reward - more work."
The cool thing is that the books and scrolls he was copying were also very important to his education. The archmaester chose those books he is to copy with great care. The punishment was also a reward.
Also a test.
"You eradicated the paper mites." "Yes." "Who told you to eradicate them?" "No one." "Who forbade you or anyone to eradicate them?" "I seem to remember no one." "But you eradicated them anyways." "I did, yes." ...
Samwell has been described as feminine when he was in his home, accompanying his mother and sister on activities deemed by the society to be socially acceptable done by human females . I would like to think that those skills such as knitting play in part for the treatment of Sir Jorah's ailment.
It's like when a country is brought to war and any able bodied man are proposed to take to arms for the war. People people that arises as leaders often come from people who has different occupations and those with the occupations have different skills that benefits a purpose or purposes in one way or another. Imagine where a country has ineffective or no defense organisation has to go to medieval war. Butchers would generally be more competent on combat than shoemakers or scholars.
Actually, Samwell grew up with books. He was studious and was literate by the time he was a toddler. Most people in that time period became literate only in their teens. While his older brother was riding horses and practicing with swords, Samwell was learning maths and history.
@@dyanaforest7174 I bet painters would do great too, since their tools for painting large surfaces are paint-rolls on a stick, so basically polearms.
@@devanov3103 Actually most people of low birth were capable of fighting, as their daily activities usually consisted to a great extent of physical labor, and many of their tools ?(which they are adept to handle) turn out to be surprisingly effective weapons. But that doesn't necessarily lead to combat skills. Soldiers also have to coordinate, follow the chain of command, know when to attack and when not, and stay disciplined even when things go wrong (eventually, something always goes wrong) until victory is achieved. Apart from being difficult to teach, spreading these skills among the lower classes would be dangerous for the ruling classes themselves.
1:47 It only occurred to me later that the title of that book will be, "A Song of Ice and Fire."
Hopefully he will take less time than GRRM.
GRRM is a genius. He will never finish the books or he will only have them released once he's dead. That way he can keep the fans interested and the money flowing until the day he dies. He also doesn't have to deal with disappointed fans because they can only feel disappointed *after* reading the last book. I'm currently reading Fire&Blood and I love it. Westeros has the lore I can invest myself in. The lord of the rings on the other hand is very cringe because it's too much magic and other convenient plot-devices, the movies are especially terrible. There's zero logic in every battle and so much plot-armor that you can't even feel anxious. So they make a few beta-protagonists die in order to have people die and that's it. I will never get over Aragorn's cringe cavalry charge, where thousands of orcs are somehow not able to cut off the legs of the handful of horses that make up the charge. yeEaAyYY, mY hERoEs aRE sOoO cOoL, LoOk hOW tHEy dEfEAteD thE eVIL orCS.
@@devanov3103This is one of the most delusional takes i have ever read. I didnt even read past the first sentence at first because thats just plain wrong, but the take on lord of the rings i just beyond me. I mean, how subtle do you want the "magic" to be? Its so drawn down and unvisible in lotr even Asoiaf suprassed it.
@@devanov3103 You're not serious right? There's more magic shown in both the GoT show and the books than there is in LoTR..
@@devanov3103 Buddy, don't get me wrong I think as obsessed consumers the fans sound a little too entitled for the two unfinished books, but this was not part of some brilliant master plan lol. He just hit a creative wall. You can just sense it by the end of ADWD, how much yet how little progress was made and how unfathomable it is that 2 more books would be enough to reach any kind of conclusion, even if he did manage to write them.
Archmaester is a cool person.
People are focusing on many parts of the dialogue.
But there is one I'd like to draw attention to.
He does spend the beginning impressing that it was dangerous. That it was foolhardy, and risky.
But then, he immediately adds. "That man is Alive. Because of you. You should be proud."
He warns him of the dangers, but his pride isn't more important to him, then simple thanks that a man's life has been saved. A man neither knew well, or valued. He saved a life, and Ebrose takes the time to remind Sam that this is a very very good thing. Because life is valuable, in and of itself.
I like the character of Ebrose. He's cynical, suspicious, and intelligent. But he has basic empathy, and above all has the very human trait of valuing the fact that hold of a second, this Sam has just saved a guy we dismissed as too far gone, this is brilliant. A less brilliant writer would have fixated on how this was a negative, and had Sam's teachers penalise him for his bravery for his success, out of envy, or jealousy, or annoyance at his success. But Ebrose actually behaved like a normal, rational human being in that situation.
When was the last time we saw that in the authority figures of our popular fiction? Excellent writting, because it felt right.
Its one if the better parts of the later seasons.
Added. Him giving Samewell the duty to rewrite books is for us writers - a reward. Samewell was very happy to do that job.
@@sabrinalecrivainmediaTMSam asked for those books before, because they were in a section forbidden to acolytes. Ebros told him no. Now Ebros took those same books Sam asked him for and told Sam to retranscribe them. Cheaky bugger tbh.
@@sabrinalecrivainmediaTM To be fair Sam proved that he can find useful information in the texts, despite how convoluted the writing is. A table full of old and rare texts. Seems like a great way to hone that investigative skill.
He's a great teacher bc he's is unbiased on all things and his opinion on anything on anything can be swayed by an intelligent and well thought out argument, he seems keenly aware of how valuable knowledge and passing it on to others is to the world society and people and general, I'd love to have a teacher like that
"I read the books and followed the instructions". So did Voldemort
Ironic because the actor played Slughorn
1:13 time! Finally argument between Bron and Tyrion from season 2 is solved. Back when they were preparing for a siege and Tyrion brought up the book from same Author and they couldn't figure the right way to pronounce his name. He gives him book about House Lannister. Sayin it could be useful and says that Maester Ch'Vyalthan was an excellent researcher. Throwback to season 2, since it's the same Maester that when Bron and Tyrion were discussing tactic of siege and arguing about his name pronunciation
Turns out Varys had the right pronunciation
"You don't like the title? What would you call it then?"
"Mmm... Possibly A song of ice and fire?"
"We're not singers Tarley!"
Sam ought to have listened to Archmaester Ebrose. After all, he was once a Potions professor in a prestigious school for witches and wizards.
Ironic, given the Maesters of the books hate and fear magic(and were accused of being the ones who killed off the dragons because of it.)
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"I read the man page" is what he just pulled.
Big ups to that, also having to copy those texts wasn't a punishment, it was a big deal, the archmeister trusting him to do it, and do it right, was a reward.
man -k grayscale isn't turning anything up. Know the package name?
The Archmaester is Professor Slughorn.
3:19 peak diaologue of last 2 season
"We're not poets Tarly." Sam "Yes, well that's quite obvious now isn't it?"
Sam: "Look dude you told Voldemort about horcruxes -why can't I treat some greyscale?"
@3:15 when the chemistry teacher wants to know how you got the only A+ on the chem practical exam
It kinda bothers me how they call Sam 'Tarly', when nobles who enter the order specifically set aside their former lives, titles, and surnames
Dylan V Maybe it's an insult to Sam because they think hes behaving too much like a westerosee and less like an actual maester
Only after they take their vows as maesters. Sam here is an acolyte (an acolyte becomes a maester only after he earns enough links to forge his own chain), so still Samwell Tarly. Just like Oberyn, as an acolyte, never stopped being a Martell
Actually he was just a Novice, since he did not earn his first link yet
Anyone else realize that the author is the same one who’s name Tyrion and bron were struggling to pronounce when they were planning the defense of kings landing?
Sam should've asked about horcruxes next
"I read the book and followed the instructions" is an underrated line.
The archmaester probably has to deal with a lot of intellectual arrogance and ego in the citadel. Many would think they know better when trying the procedure. But here stands Samwell with the humility to trust in the wisdom of his peers.
They should've given Sam a silver chain link for successfully curing a man's greyscale.
I suspect one reason why Jorah lived while others his age died from the procedure is he had this will to live to serve Dany.
I was expecting Sam to get his first link during that last scene :p
I think Sam is going to discover something crucial in these ancient texts. Also, I think he's going to invent moveable type in order to copy the books faster!
I have a suspicion that the Archmaester is secretly giving Sam access to material that may be useful, he's just being subtle by making it look like a routine assignment.
Maybe a certain marriage certificate?
I always wanted to ask George RR Martin how Westeros hasn't yet had a Scientific Revolution given all these Maesters and how the history of this continent would be different if someone had invented moveable type 200 years ago.
jessc1979 In the books it's mentioned that the maesters try hinder scientific developments
+salame 269
Really? They hinder scientific developments? But what's the difference between what they do and science? I'm sure there must be some pseudoscience in what they do but people like Ebrose do seem pretty rational.
The most common reward for good work is more work, i've noticed.
"How did you make such a perfect recipe?!" "I followed the instructions..."
"I read the books and followed the instructions" offhand remark that is basically saying to Ebrose, " you're a dumbass!"
Sam is so lovable. Randall hating on him with so much disdain is senseless.
For someone who likes books, telling someone to look at books is a reward
They should have given Samwell a dozen healing links, immediately.
Eh. One of the details of the maesters that ASoIaF goes over is that a major fault to them is that while they are some of the most well-educated men in Westeros and routinely used as advisors on multiple subjects, they are extremely conservative (not in the political sense, shut up, not what I'm talking about) and are very slow to accept change. Samwell may have pulled a Hail Mary and saved Jorah Mormont, but he did so using a procedure he was told _directly_ by his superiors was too easily contaminable, banned from practice, and did so anyway.
The Archmaester's judgment here is spot-on. If you can take risks and make them pay off, the best you can hope for is a mulligan, because the next risk gambles the lives of everyone around you. Rewarding the careless treatment and handling of highly infectious diseases is a recipe for disaster.
No one had the idea of burning their clothes after attempting to fix greyscale?
Man professor slughorn didn’t change is ways
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The thing is, the greyscale takes a bit to show up, you wouldn't know that you got infected just on the next day, which it is. The day after they saw Jorah together. So, Samwell could still have it (the procesure was MESSY) and give it to everyone he touches.
Another thing is, just before Sam arrived, Jorah had been writing a goodbye/I love you letter to Dany. EVERYTHING he touched (paper, quill, parchment) are very likely contaminated and if they weren't burnt and someone touched it - infection spreads im the citadel.
And Jorah himself - after the procedure, he's seen wearing THE SAME CLOTHES as from before. The disease probably sits in the folds on his shirt and other garments.
My head cannon - Samwell did, in fact, infect THE WHOLE CITADEL - and this is how he became the Arch Maester at the end; there was no one left beside him ...
The ones who failed were probably doing it from memory where sam was looking at the book as he did it
The book containing the arcane, forbidden, mysterious, nearly impossible method of curing Greyscale: "Just cut it off bro lol"
It may sound silly of me if so, but Was that glance to Jorah's sword implying that the he was implying Jonah should Jill himself with his last day ? :)
Yes. If he killed himself he could be buried in his family crypt and given a funeral as a knight who died from greyscale at the citadel. He was going to have to go to the smoking sea
Yes. He’d kill himself by falling on his sword, save himself the suffering on becoming a zombie in Valyrian ruins. Also he’d get to be buried with the rest of his family and get a proper funeral.
The one question Ebrose didn't ask of Sam, and I wish he had: Why did he treat Ser Jorah?
Your reward is to copy the scrolls and scribblings of the man who performed a secret marriage leading to a rebellion finally dethroning the Targaryens.
Sam should've earned a silver link for this.
The fact that all those maesters before him had access to the same text, and the instructions perfectly explained the procedure, yet all of them failed... Is there no greater example of the arrogance of the Citadel?
Sam was Humbled by the Night’s Watch, and tutored by Egg’s brother. He had a serious edge.
I think Samwell's plot armour also helps you perform miracles as well
Tarly give the old man some Crystallised Pineapple. Trust me i have it from a friend that the maester then will teach you everything
I actually learned a lot from Sam here. That other people are probably way smarter than me. Like im a statistician and im thought i hit a bottleneck to optimize my model. I thought i can experiment and find out myself but im too stupid for that. Then realized what if there are other books in other languages. Then found out the Japanese figured out this problem. I had to manually translate the book to english.
"I read the books and followed the instructions."
As someone who wrote hundreds of pages of instructions and manuals for end-users through out his career I want to kiss Sam in his bright eyes for RTFM, unlike many of the ungrateful a55holes I've had on the line in my early days of working in IT field.
Always hated this bit of plot armor and how Sam managed to cure Jorah of greyscale, a near incurable disease(even Shireen was marked for the rest of her life).
I doubt Jon Connington will get the same treatment.
OMG, HES PROFFESSOR SLUGHORN
Stannis would like this guy. Harsh but fair
With the arrogance of the measters in westeros, you'd wonder how anything was discovered.
measter measter more cheese...MAESTER
I was doing some reading in the restricted section…
Use it wisely!! He said that to harry as well get it?
RTFM: The Origin Story
From the likes on some of the comments, I find the opinion that the other maester's abilities were poor just from the few scenes unfounded. The grand maester himself states it clearly - curing advanced greyscale is rarely successful and very dangerous due to likelihood of infection, an expertise coming from years of experience. Even from a layman's view, it's obvious that likely only people with high constitution would survive the procedure.
Yet from the fact that Sam was one of the few who had a successful procedure, some people conclude that the maesters whom attempted the cure and failed couldn't follow simple instructions either due to incompetence or ego. I imagine that if the shoe was on the other foot - if Jorah would've died and Sam got himself and others infected, i suspect those same people would conclude that Sam was a naive idiot whom should not have even been given the chance to be in the citadel.
The former opinion seems to be guided not by reasoning, but rather by a selective interpretation of events and a tendency to assign blame without a comprehensive understanding of the complexities involved. Even when the relevant information is presented to the viewer to begin with.
Harsh, but fair.
As Sam is handed more books they become a chopping block under his chin.
Arrogance in scientists makes me sick. They are the last people that should be arrogant.
Get over yourself.
One of the only good moments to come out of the latter half of the show
When the maester offers Jorah one more day to spend as he chooses, do you think he implying that he should commit suicide?
if you look closely youll see that he looks at a book behind jorahs sword, implying he should spend his last day reading up on the lesser houses of westeros
its quite an interesting read about sheep herders and pig farmers, a last day well spend i shall say
It would normally be considered the preferable alternative to becoming one of the stone men
the preferable alternative would be to go to jamaica and become one of the stoned men
This passes as a HMO?
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This archmaester always felt a bit... subversive. Like I just expected him to be a stubborn old wiseman, but he was just so reasonable and balanced.
So he read the books in one day i guess ?
If Varys can teleport all over the world in one day then Samwell can read a book and go from novice to more skilled than veteran maesters in one day too!
He read them before approaching the archmaester in the first place. "There are two cases..."
This is bullshit. I haven’t been able to get this Roomba to work at all. How did you?!?! 3:20
RTFM
Never liked this scene, we learnt of Qyburn who was kicked out of the citadel for human experimentation, I feel like this qualified as human experimentation; this scene is just a different form of plot armor.
Archmaester Ebrose Taking part of the show was one of the worst decisions the showrunners made(no worse than Stannis humiliation or Dorne though) but still it was pretty ridiculous when Marwyn was there to add only to Daenerys' storyline will mean a lot to have the mage in
Such a stupid scene no one ever talks about. The cure for greyscale this entire time was...removing it? He healed overnight despite having the entire top layer of his skin peeled off?
There was also a special ointment that had to be applied just going off memory after each peel of the skin. All the while the patient has to be still and you have to keep in mind lack of protective gear available to avoid infecting yourself.
I mean the guy in charge tells us the Arch Maester who had successfully cured two cases of advanced greyscale died on his 3rd attempt. We are talking about quite possibly the most educated and qualified man in Westeros, with a proven record of success, failing due to how extremely dangerous the proceadure is. It's quite reasonable to have such practice banned in the citadel considering the odds
you freed the paper mites infecting yourself and others, you have devastated the citadel.
Underrated reply. Ah yes "Paper Mites" say the other masters scoffing at this claim. The alleged bugs infesting papers that like to bite people and spread infections. We have dismissed that claim.
Your a loose cannon Sam but you get results
Slughorn should have had a potion for this. 😂