@@johnmoore9862 It was on Facebook. Mick lynch also gets 35 weeks leave every year. He drives a Ferrari and lives in a 6.5 million pound west London home with a 4 acre garden. Dennis also forgot to mention that if Mick lynch hits 10 strikes in a year then his bonus is paid out for another 2.6 million.
@@stephenjon3502 It was on Facebook so it must be true. Do you actually have any credible sources for those ridiculous claims other than click bait on Facebook?
@@dennismcwater4380. Any pay offer is put to the members by way of a postal vote, so you are completely wrong, workers do have a say in the final decision.
If the 4% next year is actually paid, 2% pay rise plus 2% one off payment (not pensionable) if ‘terms are met’.. the terms being huge contractural changes to benefits like overtime payment, thousands of redundancy (unclear if it will be compulsory or not yet). The pay rise will actually make people poorer once other terms are attacked, it’s been calculated that some members will receive less than 30p a WEEK extra for working more nights and weekends than they currently do. Absolutely atrocious behaviour from an industry that is paying hundreds of millions to shareholders.
@@onetyrefire9722 Please stop quoting facts Onetyrefire as it will upset all the commenters that think the RMT should be striking for nurses even though they don't represent them.
@@johnbrennan7175 Maybe if someone earning 600k plus bonuses gave the rail staff who worked all thru that pandemic whilst he sat safely at his home desk a fair pay rise and not try to rip up contracts that have been in place for years they wouldn't have to strike.
You forgot that at the time of the Winter of Discontent in the 1970s, it was a Labour Government under the premiership of James Callaghan. The Tories are the culprits in selling-off important sectors and failing to regulate those sectors (e.g. Water & Sewage) responsibly afterwards. The real point is that our politicians are not as answerable or as representative of the electorate as they should be. The result of the first-past-the-post election system that allowed the two main parties to fester and rot from within that choosing either party now is really nothing more than swapping problems and selecting the lesser of two evils.
Its ridiculous that C4 are forced to show that soggy shoelace because they have to have "balanced journalism" even though 80% of the country supports the strikes.
"Give it the nurses" riiiiiiggghhhttt, because any savings from obliterating rail staff pay and conditions would absolutely end up in the NHS and definitely not in the accounts of company shareholders and directors...
In what world is a 4% pay rise, at a time when inflation is 8% and heading towards 12% by the end of the year, anything other than an insult? Specially at a time when rail companies are giving out dividends to shareholders on account of their record profits
@@6079_SMITH_W They go up because the government ( unlike in Europe) don't pay into the system enough. Fares will rise in line with inflation, so why shouldn't a railworkers salary?
@@SA-ff9uc no, they're standing up for workers rights - where do you think your holidays come from, the generosity of companies? No, it was unions fighting for it.
By 1. Not manufacturing our own stock, which we used to in BR days. 2. Not having nationalised rail and infrastructure and maintenance, which we also used to in BR days. 3. We did not export our rail goods to other nations, which could have built our railway infrastructure.
@@SA-ff9uc 4. Idiotic and ignorant public who allowed governments break up BR and sell off our assets for cheap and make our economy a gig service economy.
The current offer is insulting so why would they put it to their members. They'd probably have to at least double the offer for it to be worth even putting it to a vote.
how come no one questions about CEO pay increase??? I guess it is ok for CEO get 30% pay increase while worker who ACTUALLY makes money for the company have to take a paycut
The same way that no one questions the fact that any profits made are skimmed off and either paid to shareholders or taken overseas to the foreign owners and reinvested in foreign rail companies.
@@MrQuakeroat. Absolutely correct, not many people are aware many European companies take profits out of the railway & the country every year, that’s a dirty little secret the tories don’t want you to know.
@@alanlouth622 LAZIEST SCUM on earth is what these leachs are, take take take the money from the workers but never lifting a finger to earn it, lynch the SCUM.
@@oldman1734. So what’s your way? A return to the workhouse, the master & serf days, polio, rickets, & no health service? Travelling by horse & cart is one of your comparisons, however your views are more like pony & trap (cockney rhyming slang).
@@johnmoore9862. It not my “views” it’s historical fact. I lived and worked during that period of union control. Other countries had unions - for example Germany - but they weren’t communist led. Many of our union leaders were controlled by the Soviet Union. A union leader called Jack Jones, often described as the most powerful man in Britain, was known to be in the pay of the Soviets - you know - before 1991 and when Russia was truly communist. And he wasn’t the only one.
@@oldman1734. So you claim going back to traveling by horse & cart is an historical fact & not your “view”? I’d like to see your historical evidence for that. As for Jack Jones being on the Soviet payroll among others, again I’d like to see evidence for that allegation. Are you comparing Mick Lynch with Jack Jones & all that comparison implies?
This will continue for a while, and other industry strikes will also continue. The 8% rise is a joke, it's 8% over 2 years, or a 15% pay cut in real terms along with a list of other changes.
I don’t know whom to blame, the heartless Tory bastards, or their easily manipulated greedy voters, they think the whole world revolves around tax cuts. A few quid more for them & a few thousand more quid for the CEO’s they slavishly bootlick, they despise the working class Tory voters, while laughing up their sleeves at them.
Great to hear from other union leaders - like the RMT Asst General Secretary. All of them make more sense and are more articulate than the Tory so-called leadership. What a contrast
Support RMT,must of the benefit and right that workers enjoy today, have been won by unions,don't allow the government to take the right to strike away.
@@JNelson_ Now if only the drivers would have solidarity with the passengers. I have no solidarity with the drivers, - and they have no care or solidarity for me. - we're considering people who have a starting wage only a little lower than the national average, raising to over twice the national average wage (according to the ONS) with experience, wishing more for themselves at the expense of passengers who will pay greater ticket prices, (many of which are already making heating or eating decisions of their own.)
@@iamyerisico4773 that's classic "whataboutism" - to not respond to what was actually said, but instead say "well what about"... As a rail user, who is affected by ever increasing ticket prices, I do care about ticket prices, and all the reasons that prices are high and continue to rise. I care about high ticket prices that are a result of profiteering by corporations. I as a ticket buyer and tax payer, I care that despite no train company existing that does not need government subsidy there always seems to be money for shareholders. - and I've always felt that if there is money left for profits, they shouldn't be needing subsidies. But, just as I care about the profiteering done by operators, I also care about prices that are essentially higher as a result of items mentioned in this video. For example, the guy (from the union) talks about train guards (these are generally the guys ensuring that doors are closed, and platforms are clear - you'll know if there is a guard on the train you're on, because they are the guy with a whistle and a light that signal that the driver may leave... ) - essential on old "slam door" intercity trains from the 80's... but, in the days of CCTV and automatic closing doors. no longer essential.. instead kind of needless, and already cut from a lot of train companies, BUT.. the unions call them essential safety staff. and insist that they are needed, consistently striking when those jobs are threatened. - their presence only serves to increase fares. I also care about ticket staff, mentioned in the video, - sure I think there should be people you can talk to in stations... but, lets be serious, in most stations now the queues are for the ticket machines, not the teller staff. - again needless staff drive up prices. you need a person per shift, not multiple. these things, (electric doors, ticket machines) are the "modernizations" that the unions are resisting and calling for strikes over. and as I said in my first reply, I also happen to think that drivers are already very well paid, AND, given that most rail users will be paid less than drivers, but will be affected by fare increases used to pay higher wages to drivers. It is perfectly valid to point out that solidarity is a group effort to increase the lives of ALL people, not something that people already at the top should constantly ask for knowing their own actions screw the people at the bottom... - which is what the drivers are doing. As I said, I don't have solidarity with people already paid more than most seeking to increase costs of others to their benefit. I don't have solidarity with them, the same as I have no solidarity with franchise CEOs (paid better than most) increasing their salaries (and directly costing users.) As for price gouging, most fares are regulated, meaning that there is a price cap applied that prevents price gouging already... (so there is no need for me to "push" anything to combat that aspect.) of course I wish that ALL fares were regulated to only rise inline with inflations.
@@danielr82. No safety focus groups were consulted when the decision to sack train guards was taken, they are still fighting for their posts to remain, not one of the many groups representing the disabled, passengers, or lone women travellers were approached for their views, they still provide a safety critical function.
Not always. If they get an 8% pay rise, do you think ticket prices will stay the same price? Also, as you can see, they won’t offer the members the choice to choose this rise. These members are looking for even more money for themselves. It’s utter greed. Yes it’s awful, but most of the people are in the same situation. Everyone else wants a pay rise to meet inflation as well but they can’t have that. They’re afraid of nothing, but they won’t offer the current rise to their representatives because they don’t want them taking this pay rise. The companies leading the strikes make far too much money doing nothing but causing issues for the population.
what about the workers who are not in a union and catch the train to work everyday... i and others like me will have to pay more to pay the wage rise and the service is so unreliable, so paying more for a service that wasn't working before the strike. They get paid more than me an hour for standing around on their phones most of the time. Not happy.
@@TheSportyGamer97 prices will rise regardless and the UK is now in double-digit uncontrolled inflation. Insist people are paid properly and use price capping. That is how you solve this problem. Unions need support to function and people need to understand their successful work impacts us all positively!
@@TheSportyGamer97 The members offered 8% got no pay ris3 last year. So it's 8% over 3 years. Or about 2.66% a year. Andwhat is inflation? And next year it's fo4ecast to be around 13%. And a 2.6% pay rise against this back drop is utter greed?
It is horrific that we are still fighting for a fair days pay, for a fair days work. The tolpuddle martyrs wouldn't believe this situation, or this biased reporting.
@@6079_SMITH_W Really. so people should only be paid if they are doing hard physical labour,. what about teachers, doctors, lawyers, or politicians, or shareholders.
We need a national strike. Working people deserve help. Show government we the people are thier employers and we are their bosses. They've thrown billions of our pounds at their friends.
Ben de Pear of Channel 4 News should be punished severely for his poor oversight of the Cathy Newman interview on Jan 16, 2018. That interview got 39 million views and drew 150,000 negative comments for how poorly conducted it was. Ben de Pear: Your mother did a disservice to the world for bearing you!
Yes do not pit worker against worker all deserve a pay rise and great working environment. Tories want to set division between workers must stand together. If want change not pocket change all have to fight for each other. Not me, myself and I but me and we.
Nurses do not make up all off NHS many other workers such as care workers, support workers, porters, cleaners etc all not mentioned but greatly required. Decent pay rise for all not just nurses.
Was FULLY AGAINST the Unions and these workers until I gave it a second thought. I am fully supportive of u lasses and lads. One day I might need to strike will need the support of others especially with the price increases inflation. Let's stand united because divided we will fall.
Striking really only effects the average punter buying tickets. If you want to make a strong point to the government and your employer, let people onto the buses and trains for free. This method has proven to work, especially in Australia where I live. Don't take money from commuters, take it from the government, the employer and their shareholders. 3 weeks of this tends to bring parties back to the negotiation table.
@@Temo990 sabotage? Where does that come in to anything, we simply have only withdrawn our labour. Why don’t you go ask mr shapps about the damage it’s all causing? The government is complicit with any damage caused to the railway by trying to impose unfair terms and conditions. Everyone was up in arms when it happened to P&O but nobody seems to care with the railway?
@@onetyrefire9722 That's because the media has drip fed all the idiots to believe that everyone who works within the industry earns 60k plus. They have done a brilliant job of getting people wound up hence the red wall voting tory to push brexit thru making them believe that the country would get rid of foreigners. As you mentioned look at P&O!
1 sided news. What a surprise. Displaying the negative aspects and find a few people that agree with them. My son was just given a 9% pay rise a few months ago. My union are balloting next week. Think Iv been offered a 10.5% pay rise. Stay strong and support ur fellow man. This is for us all
A thing i will never understand: saying workers are an hindrance to the public. It's not the freaking workers prolonging a strike, their employers are.
it's about time we stood up if the government really cared they would bring in both parties into a room and find a solution.However, it is clear they don't care at all about people or businesses
So hard living on £50,000 per year when care workers who do twice the hours with all the sh•t that goes with the job have survive on £12/£15.000 per year they should be ashamed lets face it train drivers sit on there arses all day long
People have the right to safe work practices, and remuneration to help them keep themselves and their families feed and housed. The people must show solidarity to the workers, whatever the Industry, Nurses, Police, Teachers etc etc . Fair days pay for all !
@john hodgson I know how much the jobs pay 1. Because like everyone else, I can look at job listings and 2. Because I know people that work for GWR. Cleaners aren't ever going to get paid a decent salary... because they're cleaners, it's a low skilled job; but you get paid a lot more for being a night time train cleaner, than you do for being a night time office cleaner. Comparative to other jobs of the same class, outside of train jobs, they get paid a lot better.
@@masterbeethoven8209. Well paid by comparison to other minimum wage zero hour contract jobs, but still no where near a living wage. I fully support fellow workers striking for better pay & conditions, every worker should, the alternative is you support the Tory party & all their shareholders friends.
Transport Secretary Can't Shapps aka Michael Green, will be out of a job in September. He can then return to wearing a name badge and pretend to be someone else.
Support for all Rail-workers and for there struggle for proper wages and conditions stand strong Mick remember . The great only appear great cause we are on our knees. Support from Dublin Ireland
Trade unions are a global movement. You either support unions or you support full unrestricted free market capitalism with all the bullying that brings, like how the responsible P&O company treat their employees.
What annoys me is that in all the disputes management and government always bang on about what workers are earning. OK they might earn up to £40,000pa, but it wasnt long ago MPs were bleating that they couldnt live properly on their £87,000pa plus perks. Barristers have been offered 15%, WHY, because they are part of the elite. I support all workers strikes and I hope there is a national strike for a day or two at a time and the workers ask for 15%. Lets no forget that Utility companies are paying their chiefs millions in bonuses for putting sewage into rivers and running us out of oil. At least the workers do their jobs professionally
Main question is : 40 000 rail workers are opted to strike or have been told to strike? And next one : who will make the most of that ? And next one : what about people which relay on train commuting , maybe they should invoice RMT for lost hours at work .
Perhaps the government should consider 8% this year and 8% next year. Given that real world inflation is closer to 30%, these offers are an insult. The CP lie is nowhere near close!
People continue to believe that governments are about caring for people, this is false, they are concerned about economic growth and maintaining social stability. Going on strike may inconvenience other working people but it won't effect government policy. As for a change of government being the magic answer, it will make very little difference as the economic position we are facing is highly complex and has no easy solution.
The news media ask the same old trite questions. Why don't they use their influence to support the strikers and to force the Tories to offer a fair deal as opposed to a Trojan horse.
Honestly thought C4 News was better than asking a question and then trying to cut the answer off before the answer was heard. Prtoud of the unions. Stay strong.
Just a thought: Are the government quite happy to keep these disputes like RMT strikes as the every day worker now has to fill up on fuel to use their own transport making sure the government keep raking in the profits on fuel duty. ??? Could this be true?
Government are just being stubborn because they don't want to give working class people a fair wage. And if RMT get it, all other unions can get it too.
These strikes are really inconvenient, especially when they announce it just a couple of days prior. But I 100% support what this union is doing and I really hope they win and get a decent pay rise.
@@floatybyboaty For some of them, they do do that. But it seems like they announce that there may or may not be strikes on certain days but don't actually confirm until a couple of days prior whether they will actually strike.
I’m old enough to know that from 1945, the unions deliberately destroyed British Industry. They thought that everything would be nationalised and by that means they would get the socialist utopia they wanted. Practically everything was nationalised, but the unions continued their policy of opposing all innovation and improvements of efficiency. So British industry (practically all of it) was destroyed even as it was nationalised. Now we hardly make anything and what industry we do have is foreign owed. People of my generation find it hard to think that can’t build civilian ships (except for some small yachts) and even Rolls Royce cars is foreign owned.
I'm pretty sure British Industry was destroyed because of globalisation, as in businesses finding poor countries to pay pennies to for cheaply manufacturing products. So unless you're adocating we create sweatshops you're not going to compete (which is unrelated to unions). As for manufacturing of specialty good, well that requires investment in training and finacial support for companies which the government has failed at. These problems are not the result of unions, but of a corrupt government who is incompetent.
@@iamyerisico4773. I didn’t want to go into too much detail. I kept it short as possible. But the fact is the unions were led by mad people. For example we don’t (and now can’t - we have lost the ability) make great ships like the Queen Mary (latest one made in Italy) because of the unions. You probably haven’t heard of the “who does what” disputes. It’s all kept secret now of course, and only old people like me remember it. If a component consists of wood and metal, who is allowed to drill a hole in it? A member of the wood workers union or the metal workers? Such disputes closed ship building for weeks on end with the management helpless. Buyers of ships just went away, when previously half the ships in the world were built in Britain. Yesterday on the BBC they announced serious problems at Liverpool council, but they failed to mention Liverpool is a Labour council. Funny that. If Liverpool was Tory the BBC would have emphasised it was Tory. And of course it wasn’t just shipbuilding. In my industry when new technology was introduced the unions insisted the old technology must be used - and then THROWN AWAY!!! (That’s the least of it). The unions destroyed British industry with malice of forethought.
@@oldman1734. It’s not unions that are the problem, it’s people like you, denying the obvious, reversing the historical facts, all to pander to your beloved Tory party anti trade union overlords, when they say jump, you always reply meekly “yes o’ master, how high, you know I’m only a worthless serf”, & you are so much better than I’ll ever be.
Proud of the people on strike, its about time employers stopped prioritising shareholders over workers
Communist
@@dennismcwater4380. Show me where you got your figures from. Mick Lynch is not on 2.3 million a year, you are spreading serious misinformation.
@@johnmoore9862 It was on Facebook. Mick lynch also gets 35 weeks leave every year. He drives a Ferrari and lives in a 6.5 million pound west London home with a 4 acre garden.
Dennis also forgot to mention that if Mick lynch hits 10 strikes in a year then his bonus is paid out for another 2.6 million.
@@stephenjon3502 It was on Facebook so it must be true.
Do you actually have any credible sources for those ridiculous claims other than click bait on Facebook?
@@dennismcwater4380. Any pay offer is put to the members by way of a postal vote, so you are completely wrong, workers do have a say in the final decision.
4% this year and 4% next year is 10-15% paycut after inflation
Not to mention the cut to antisocial hours pay. I know people who will lose 10k or more
If the 4% next year is actually paid, 2% pay rise plus 2% one off payment (not pensionable) if ‘terms are met’.. the terms being huge contractural changes to benefits like overtime payment, thousands of redundancy (unclear if it will be compulsory or not yet). The pay rise will actually make people poorer once other terms are attacked, it’s been calculated that some members will receive less than 30p a WEEK extra for working more nights and weekends than they currently do. Absolutely atrocious behaviour from an industry that is paying hundreds of millions to shareholders.
@@onetyrefire9722 Please stop quoting facts Onetyrefire as it will upset all the commenters that think the RMT should be striking for nurses even though they don't represent them.
The rail staff have been holding strikes between 2016 - 2019. Then we had the pandemic. Here we are again facing even more strikes
@@johnbrennan7175 Maybe if someone earning 600k plus bonuses gave the rail staff who worked all thru that pandemic whilst he sat safely at his home desk a fair pay rise and not try to rip up contracts that have been in place for years they wouldn't have to strike.
How come whenever Tories are in charge some important sector to the nation is on strike or sold off??
You forgot that at the time of the Winter of Discontent in the 1970s, it was a Labour Government under the premiership of James Callaghan. The Tories are the culprits in selling-off important sectors and failing to regulate those sectors (e.g. Water & Sewage) responsibly afterwards. The real point is that our politicians are not as answerable or as representative of the electorate as they should be. The result of the first-past-the-post election system that allowed the two main parties to fester and rot from within that choosing either party now is really nothing more than swapping problems and selecting the lesser of two evils.
Bet the guy densely going ‘give it the nurses’ doesn’t understand that this doesn’t just involve train drivers. Perhaps too much daily mail for him.
And when the nurses do go on strike,he’ll be complaining that they’re on too much money
He understands OK, that's the plan cripple the country.
Thick midlander
Sad thing is, they could cut rail workers money 75% and they still wouldn't give nurses a penny extra
Its ridiculous that C4 are forced to show that soggy shoelace because they have to have "balanced journalism" even though 80% of the country supports the strikes.
General Strike. It's not far away now. At all. Understandably so.
And all the powerless poor not in the powerful unions will elect Liz Truss at the next general election. Way to go.
@@simontemplar404exactly, it’ll be the thick working class people who vote her in, but out of Sunak and her, there is no choice regardless
What is on its way is social unrest
Shapps said yesterday the TSS 'had accepted' a pay rise!!!!!!! He's lying. Again!!!!
Thats all the Tory's do
He is a Tory, it comes naturally.
Shapps is a useless TOOL.
"Give it the nurses" riiiiiiggghhhttt, because any savings from obliterating rail staff pay and conditions would absolutely end up in the NHS and definitely not in the accounts of company shareholders and directors...
Besides those damn nurses are already enjoying £350 million from Brexit...I saw it on a big red bus!
If they can please make the next one on 22nd September, I'd be grateful. I have a work's training day on that day I don't want to attend 😂
noted
We got you son
In what world is a 4% pay rise, at a time when inflation is 8% and heading towards 12% by the end of the year, anything other than an insult? Specially at a time when rail companies are giving out dividends to shareholders on account of their record profits
Which company?
@@SA-ff9uc FirstGroup
(currently trying to educate myself on the topic to cut out the feelings and spin)
Exactly!!! It’s not a rise, they’re gonna be about 20% down from 3 years ago, thanks to inflation!
These strikers need to try being self employed...
I stand with the RMT!
Totally on the side of the workers.
Totally against the left wing Unions taking advantage of the failing government.
@@6079_SMITH_W They go up because the government ( unlike in Europe) don't pay into the system enough. Fares will rise in line with inflation, so why shouldn't a railworkers salary?
@@6079_SMITH_W You conveniently missed out the fact fare rises are approved by the department for transport. Funny that eh?
fully behind the Lads and Lasses of the RMT - don't let them get away with it! much love
The RMT are fully behind the British people. Giving them a right old rogering.
@@SA-ff9uc no, they're standing up for workers rights - where do you think your holidays come from, the generosity of companies? No, it was unions fighting for it.
@@Wolfeslad Leave him alone, the man has been rogered so much by the tories that he sees everything as a rogering.
@@iamyerisico4773 🤣👊
@@SA-ff9uc ignore the idiot faux socialists who don't realise unions do nothing for workers anymore, unless it heavily lines their own pockets.
Train tickets in the UK are already hideously OVERPRICED. How does the UK get so many things wrong??
By 1. Not manufacturing our own stock, which we used to in BR days.
2. Not having nationalised rail and infrastructure and maintenance, which we also used to in BR days.
3. We did not export our rail goods to other nations, which could have built our railway infrastructure.
4. Greedy rail workers
@@SA-ff9uc Shut it, Julie Hartley-Brewer wannabe. Go and read the Daily Mail and watch GB News.
@@SA-ff9uc rail workers have nothing to do with ticket prices, just as the bar tender doesn't set the price on beer.
@@SA-ff9uc 4. Idiotic and ignorant public who allowed governments break up BR and sell off our assets for cheap and make our economy a gig service economy.
I support the unions! Although this will greatly inconvenience my studies - we need unions to succeed in this battle
The current offer is insulting so why would they put it to their members. They'd probably have to at least double the offer for it to be worth even putting it to a vote.
how come no one questions about CEO pay increase??? I guess it is ok for CEO get 30% pay increase while worker who ACTUALLY makes money for the company have to take a paycut
The same way that no one questions the fact that any profits made are skimmed off and either paid to shareholders or taken overseas to the foreign owners and reinvested in foreign rail companies.
@@MrQuakeroat. Absolutely correct, not many people are aware many European companies take profits out of the railway & the country every year, that’s a dirty little secret the tories don’t want you to know.
Support the unions or they will be taken away.
The union leaders still get paid whatever, unlike the people that pay thier wages.
@@alanlouth622 LAZIEST SCUM on earth is what these leachs are, take take take the money from the workers but never lifting a finger to earn it, lynch the SCUM.
💯Solidarity with the RMT ✊
If you had your way, we would still be travelling by horse and cart.
@@oldman1734 If we had it your way we'd still have poor houses.
@@oldman1734. So what’s your way? A return to the workhouse, the master & serf days, polio, rickets, & no health service? Travelling by horse & cart is one of your comparisons, however your views are more like pony & trap (cockney rhyming slang).
@@johnmoore9862. It not my “views” it’s historical fact. I lived and worked during that period of union control.
Other countries had unions - for example Germany - but they weren’t communist led. Many of our union leaders were controlled by the Soviet Union. A union leader called Jack Jones, often described as the most powerful man in Britain, was known to be in the pay of the Soviets - you know - before 1991 and when Russia was truly communist. And he wasn’t the only one.
@@oldman1734. So you claim going back to traveling by horse & cart is an historical fact & not your “view”? I’d like to see your historical evidence for that. As for Jack Jones being on the Soviet payroll among others, again I’d like to see evidence for that allegation. Are you comparing Mick Lynch with Jack Jones & all that comparison implies?
This will continue for a while, and other industry strikes will also continue.
The 8% rise is a joke, it's 8% over 2 years, or a 15% pay cut in real terms along with a list of other changes.
I mean they could run trains for free if That her didn’t change the law to make that illegal. Literally trying to play people off of each other.
Divide & rule
@@David-rr2bt No Divide & Conquer, Its the Tory way
I don’t know whom to blame, the heartless Tory bastards, or their easily manipulated greedy voters, they think the whole world revolves around tax cuts. A few quid more for them & a few thousand more quid for the CEO’s they slavishly bootlick, they despise the working class Tory voters, while laughing up their sleeves at them.
Get rid of the tories. Plus introduce PR! Lets not be in this position again.
Great to hear from other union leaders - like the RMT Asst General Secretary. All of them make more sense and are more articulate than the Tory so-called leadership. What a contrast
A drunken imbecile would sound good when compared to Liz Truss.
Articulate communication from the RMT now its the temporary Governments turn?
Solidarity with our workers all the way✊
Support RMT,must of the benefit and right that workers enjoy today, have been won by unions,don't allow the government to take the right to strike away.
well said, solidarity for other working class
@@JNelson_ Now if only the drivers would have solidarity with the passengers.
I have no solidarity with the drivers, - and they have no care or solidarity for me.
- we're considering people who have a starting wage only a little lower than the national average, raising to over twice the national average wage (according to the ONS) with experience, wishing more for themselves at the expense of passengers who will pay greater ticket prices, (many of which are already making heating or eating decisions of their own.)
@@danielr82 If you care about ticket prices why not push for anti gouging laws and better regulations like they have in other countries.
@@iamyerisico4773 that's classic "whataboutism" - to not respond to what was actually said, but instead say "well what about"...
As a rail user, who is affected by ever increasing ticket prices, I do care about ticket prices, and all the reasons that prices are high and continue to rise.
I care about high ticket prices that are a result of profiteering by corporations.
I as a ticket buyer and tax payer, I care that despite no train company existing that does not need government subsidy there always seems to be money for shareholders. - and I've always felt that if there is money left for profits, they shouldn't be needing subsidies.
But, just as I care about the profiteering done by operators, I also care about prices that are essentially higher as a result of items mentioned in this video.
For example, the guy (from the union) talks about train guards (these are generally the guys ensuring that doors are closed, and platforms are clear - you'll know if there is a guard on the train you're on, because they are the guy with a whistle and a light that signal that the driver may leave... ) - essential on old "slam door" intercity trains from the 80's... but, in the days of CCTV and automatic closing doors. no longer essential.. instead kind of needless, and already cut from a lot of train companies, BUT.. the unions call them essential safety staff. and insist that they are needed, consistently striking when those jobs are threatened. - their presence only serves to increase fares.
I also care about ticket staff, mentioned in the video, - sure I think there should be people you can talk to in stations... but, lets be serious, in most stations now the queues are for the ticket machines, not the teller staff. - again needless staff drive up prices. you need a person per shift, not multiple.
these things, (electric doors, ticket machines) are the "modernizations" that the unions are resisting and calling for strikes over.
and as I said in my first reply, I also happen to think that drivers are already very well paid, AND, given that most rail users will be paid less than drivers, but will be affected by fare increases used to pay higher wages to drivers. It is perfectly valid to point out that solidarity is a group effort to increase the lives of ALL people, not something that people already at the top should constantly ask for knowing their own actions screw the people at the bottom... - which is what the drivers are doing.
As I said, I don't have solidarity with people already paid more than most seeking to increase costs of others to their benefit.
I don't have solidarity with them, the same as I have no solidarity with franchise CEOs (paid better than most) increasing their salaries (and directly costing users.)
As for price gouging, most fares are regulated, meaning that there is a price cap applied that prevents price gouging already... (so there is no need for me to "push" anything to combat that aspect.) of course I wish that ALL fares were regulated to only rise inline with inflations.
@@danielr82. No safety focus groups were consulted when the decision to sack train guards was taken, they are still fighting for their posts to remain, not one of the many groups representing the disabled, passengers, or lone women travellers were approached for their views, they still provide a safety critical function.
Well done to the strikers.
It's time that these politicians understood the pain of the poor
They won’t till we have a revaluation like the French
Mr. Leach, I fully support your stance. Kick'em in the sticks !
The offers didn't warrant consideration. They were a joke
Enough is enough cut profits not wages
It's time to nationalise the railways, that was a disaster of an experiment. There are plenty of other things we should nationalise too.
@@JNelson_ All public utilities, they were stolen from the public by thatcher & her gang of spivs.
Now is the time to stick together, do not let them "Divide & Conquer" if you do, you will be serfs forever
Always always support striking workers. They are fighting for ALL of us 🤍
Not always. If they get an 8% pay rise, do you think ticket prices will stay the same price? Also, as you can see, they won’t offer the members the choice to choose this rise. These members are looking for even more money for themselves. It’s utter greed. Yes it’s awful, but most of the people are in the same situation. Everyone else wants a pay rise to meet inflation as well but they can’t have that. They’re afraid of nothing, but they won’t offer the current rise to their representatives because they don’t want them taking this pay rise. The companies leading the strikes make far too much money doing nothing but causing issues for the population.
@@TheSportyGamer97
So basically you can't get a rise so no one else should 🤦♂️
what about the workers who are not in a union and catch the train to work everyday... i and others like me will have to pay more to pay the wage rise and the service is so unreliable, so paying more for a service that wasn't working before the strike. They get paid more than me an hour for standing around on their phones most of the time. Not happy.
@@TheSportyGamer97 prices will rise regardless and the UK is now in double-digit uncontrolled inflation. Insist people are paid properly and use price capping. That is how you solve this problem. Unions need support to function and people need to understand their successful work impacts us all positively!
@@TheSportyGamer97 The members offered 8% got no pay ris3 last year. So it's 8% over 3 years. Or about 2.66% a year. Andwhat is inflation? And next year it's fo4ecast to be around 13%. And a 2.6% pay rise against this back drop is utter greed?
Nationalize the trains
This is only the beginning, many more strikes in different sectors will follow.
I hope the entire UK calls a general strike! That would remind the gov who is in charge!!
Not happy? Get another job and stop moaning. We’re all suffering at the moment.
Stopping people getting to work. Brave, well done.
Workers unite.
Solidarity !!!
It is horrific that we are still fighting for a fair days pay, for a fair days work.
The tolpuddle martyrs wouldn't believe this situation, or this biased reporting.
@@6079_SMITH_W Really. so people should only be paid if they are doing hard physical labour,. what about teachers, doctors, lawyers, or politicians, or shareholders.
There are morons.
There are idiots.
There are imbeciles.
Then there is ^.
We need a national strike. Working people deserve help. Show government we the people are thier employers and we are their bosses. They've thrown billions of our pounds at their friends.
Ben de Pear of Channel 4 News should be punished severely for his poor oversight of the Cathy Newman interview on Jan 16, 2018. That interview got 39 million views and drew 150,000 negative comments for how poorly conducted it was. Ben de Pear: Your mother did a disservice to the world for bearing you!
You sad, sad person.
Good on the strikers! 👍👍 Grant Schapps get lost! #ToriesOut
"Give it the nurses"
There's plenty of money for both
Yes do not pit worker against worker all deserve a pay rise and great working environment.
Tories want to set division between workers must stand together. If want change not pocket change all have to fight for each other.
Not me, myself and I but me and we.
Nurses do not make up all off NHS many other workers such as care workers, support workers, porters, cleaners etc all not mentioned but greatly required. Decent pay rise for all not just nurses.
I wonder just how many actual workers were asked how they felt about it. How many people are going to lose pay because of this. Not many I think.
Was FULLY AGAINST the Unions and these workers until I gave it a second thought. I am fully supportive of u lasses and lads. One day I might need to strike will need the support of others especially with the price increases inflation. Let's stand united because divided we will fall.
Exactly no matter your walk of life we all deserve a decent wage and have the decency to feed our families. More power to you my friend
Glad you seen the light
Better late than never.
Thank god there's a fighting union left!
I hope lots of train drivers lose their jobs for harrasing people.
Strike strike strike
Excellent. Bring it on. #RevolutionNow ..
Striking really only effects the average punter buying tickets.
If you want to make a strong point to the government and your employer, let people onto the buses and trains for free. This method has proven to work, especially in Australia where I live.
Don't take money from commuters, take it from the government, the employer and their shareholders.
3 weeks of this tends to bring parties back to the negotiation table.
It’s been said many times but unfortunately is illegal, so we are forced to take normal strike action.
And what prevents you from being personally liable for the damage?
Strikes are protected under most constitutions, sabotage not.
@@Temo990 sabotage? Where does that come in to anything, we simply have only withdrawn our labour. Why don’t you go ask mr shapps about the damage it’s all causing? The government is complicit with any damage caused to the railway by trying to impose unfair terms and conditions. Everyone was up in arms when it happened to P&O but nobody seems to care with the railway?
@@onetyrefire9722 That's because the media has drip fed all the idiots to believe that everyone who works within the industry earns 60k plus. They have done a brilliant job of getting people wound up hence the red wall voting tory to push brexit thru making them believe that the country would get rid of foreigners. As you mentioned look at P&O!
@@stephenjon3502 I honestly wish this was the case, the reality is actually most are on less than half of that..
I back the striking workers!
I would like to think that most of the people are on the Unions side
I think so too, there’s only the odd bootlicking poverty ridden Tory supporting inadequate against them.
1 sided news. What a surprise. Displaying the negative aspects and find a few people that agree with them. My son was just given a 9% pay rise a few months ago. My union are balloting next week. Think Iv been offered a 10.5% pay rise. Stay strong and support ur fellow man. This is for us all
What do you and your son do?
A thing i will never understand: saying workers are an hindrance to the public.
It's not the freaking workers prolonging a strike, their employers are.
it's about time we stood up if the government really cared they would bring in both parties into a room and find a solution.However, it is clear they don't care at all about people or businesses
So hard living on £50,000 per year when care workers who do twice the hours with all the sh•t that goes with the job have survive on £12/£15.000 per year they should be ashamed lets face it train drivers sit on there arses all day long
Give it to all workers
When are media going to ask how much big bosses earn and how much shareholders get in dividends.
People have the right to safe work practices, and remuneration to help them keep themselves and their families feed and housed.
The people must show solidarity to the workers, whatever the Industry, Nurses, Police, Teachers etc etc . Fair days pay for all !
Think they’re going to have to crank it up for it to have any affect
Selfish railway workers are
With the price of rail travel the workers should be very well paid
They are already well paid.
@john hodgson I know how much the jobs pay 1. Because like everyone else, I can look at job listings and 2. Because I know people that work for GWR.
Cleaners aren't ever going to get paid a decent salary... because they're cleaners, it's a low skilled job; but you get paid a lot more for being a night time train cleaner, than you do for being a night time office cleaner.
Comparative to other jobs of the same class, outside of train jobs, they get paid a lot better.
@@masterbeethoven8209. Well paid by comparison to other minimum wage zero hour contract jobs, but still no where near a living wage. I fully support fellow workers striking for better pay & conditions, every worker should, the alternative is you support the Tory party & all their shareholders friends.
workers unite together and defeat the slaves and servants of capitalists and oligarchs
I support the rail strikes and I will be voting to strike in the Unison ballot.
Great video, the program works great
Transport Secretary Can't Shapps aka Michael Green, will be out of a job in September. He can then return to wearing a name badge and pretend to be someone else.
They look like they are going to see a football game.
Birmingham.
Midday. Train after train, many carriages, almost empty.
Rush hours. Late trains, changing schedules, oveloaded.
CONSTANTLY!
Support for all Rail-workers and for there struggle for proper wages and conditions stand strong Mick remember . The great only appear great cause we are on our knees. Support from Dublin Ireland
Yes it has, trade unions have global support, you know nothing about anything.
Trade unions are a global movement. You either support unions or you support full unrestricted free market capitalism with all the bullying that brings, like how the responsible P&O company treat their employees.
"Give it the nurses". He thought long and hard about that one didn't he.
Hope so
What annoys me is that in all the disputes management and government always bang on about what workers are earning. OK they might earn up to £40,000pa, but it wasnt long ago MPs were bleating that they couldnt live properly on their £87,000pa plus perks. Barristers have been offered 15%, WHY, because they are part of the elite. I support all workers strikes and I hope there is a national strike for a day or two at a time and the workers ask for 15%. Lets no forget that Utility companies are paying their chiefs millions in bonuses for putting sewage into rivers and running us out of oil. At least the workers do their jobs professionally
Main question is : 40 000 rail workers are opted to strike or have been told to strike?
And next one : who will make the most of that ?
And next one : what about people which relay on train commuting , maybe they should invoice RMT for lost hours at work .
And ther rail companies getting great profits and giving premiums to CEO and managers hile workers are screwed.
Just get a colony somewhere...
Perhaps the government should consider 8% this year and 8% next year. Given that real world inflation is closer to 30%, these offers are an insult. The CP lie is nowhere near close!
beautiful fit teen lads always attend the football 🥵😭
Looks like a child mate
That’s got sod all to do with this.
More should go on strike
5:00 'A reasonable Offer"
That's all is needed to end this
People continue to believe that governments are about caring for people, this is false, they are concerned about economic growth and maintaining social stability. Going on strike may inconvenience other working people but it won't effect government policy. As for a change of government being the magic answer, it will make very little difference as the economic position we are facing is highly complex and has no easy solution.
BT and unions agree pay rise of up to 16% to stop more strikes
The news media ask the same old trite questions. Why don't they use their influence to support the strikers and to force the Tories to offer a fair deal as opposed to a Trojan horse.
Honestly thought C4 News was better than asking a question and then trying to cut the answer off before the answer was heard. Prtoud of the unions. Stay strong.
Just a thought: Are the government quite happy to keep these disputes like RMT strikes as the every day worker now has to fill up on fuel to use their own transport making sure the government keep raking in the profits on fuel duty. ??? Could this be true?
What a stupid question. Of course there's more on the way. It's as if people expect them to just give up and accept yet another corporate shafting.
Fight to the metaphorical death, both sides
Government are just being stubborn because they don't want to give working class people a fair wage. And if RMT get it, all other unions can get it too.
Solidarity with the train commuters!
Vote Labour
😂🤣
So long as it's not a faux labour like b-liar who was Tory in a labour suit.
I'll sleep on it.!!
Tiny hands, by name & by nature.
These strikes are really inconvenient, especially when they announce it just a couple of days prior. But I 100% support what this union is doing and I really hope they win and get a decent pay rise.
I thought two weeks notice has to be given?
@@floatybyboaty For some of them, they do do that. But it seems like they announce that there may or may not be strikes on certain days but don't actually confirm until a couple of days prior whether they will actually strike.
@@19Allan91 That's because they are still in talks. If there's no movement then the strikes go ahead. They are always well advertised.
Public is 99% on your side RMT, you know who the other 1% are...
All workers should strike !! Its the only way forward
Can brits vote against this strikes as for brexit? Go for it! You got what you wanted.
Pay them more if they provide better service if not pay them the same.
How much does the average rail driver earn?
WORKERS FOR WORKERS. FAIR PAY AND CONDITIONS FOR ALL.
I’m old enough to know that from 1945, the unions deliberately destroyed British Industry. They thought that everything would be nationalised and by that means they would get the socialist utopia they wanted. Practically everything was nationalised, but the unions continued their policy of opposing all innovation and improvements of efficiency.
So British industry (practically all of it) was destroyed even as it was nationalised. Now we hardly make anything and what industry we do have is foreign owed. People of my generation find it hard to think that can’t build civilian ships (except for some small yachts) and even Rolls Royce cars is foreign owned.
LoL! What a load of baseless reactionary old toss!
Found the fed
I'm pretty sure British Industry was destroyed because of globalisation, as in businesses finding poor countries to pay pennies to for cheaply manufacturing products. So unless you're adocating we create sweatshops you're not going to compete (which is unrelated to unions).
As for manufacturing of specialty good, well that requires investment in training and finacial support for companies which the government has failed at. These problems are not the result of unions, but of a corrupt government who is incompetent.
@@iamyerisico4773. I didn’t want to go into too much detail. I kept it short as possible. But the fact is the unions were led by mad people.
For example we don’t (and now can’t - we have lost the ability) make great ships like the Queen Mary (latest one made in Italy) because of the unions.
You probably haven’t heard of the “who does what” disputes. It’s all kept secret now of course, and only old people like me remember it. If a component consists of wood and metal, who is allowed to drill a hole in it? A member of the wood workers union or the metal workers? Such disputes closed ship building for weeks on end with the management helpless. Buyers of ships just went away, when previously half the ships in the world were built in Britain.
Yesterday on the BBC they announced serious problems at Liverpool council, but they failed to mention Liverpool is a Labour council. Funny that. If Liverpool was Tory the BBC would have emphasised it was Tory.
And of course it wasn’t just shipbuilding. In my industry when new technology was introduced the unions insisted the old technology must be used - and then THROWN AWAY!!! (That’s the least of it).
The unions destroyed British industry with malice of forethought.
@@oldman1734. It’s not unions that are the problem, it’s people like you, denying the obvious, reversing the historical facts, all to pander to your beloved Tory party anti trade union overlords, when they say jump, you always reply meekly “yes o’ master, how high, you know I’m only a worthless serf”, & you are so much better than I’ll ever be.
Fight the power!
With the people on strike...well done guys. 💯👌
It's not a strike as they don't get strike pay it's only extra days off
Ban all strikes