@@rookere1604 Yeah alright I admit it hurts not to win the Ashes. But just like us English over did the Bazball hype, you Aussies have over done the whinging stuff.
I’m an Aussie and 100% back our team but this is woeful. Firstly, it’s so awkward having Candice on the panel. Secondly, us Aussies rip the opposition in Australia - Stop your whinging fox cricket, you’re so far off the mark.
Sure, but the Aussie players don’t whinge when they lose. They were respectful after losing to India and acknowledged the same. The English players and media don’t ever acknowledge for once how well we played
@@912dreamer English Cricket play Bazball on flat decks and claim as if it is something big. That's why whole of India is supporting Australia in the Ashes. Bazball will be destroyed in India next year.
Here is the rub, no one is bothered about the Aussies winning. The whinging poms is journalists moaning if that exists. I'm literally embarrassed by this piece. England dropped catches fact, if anyone in Australia thinks the average fan is bothered well I hate to tell you no one is. Piers Morgan on TV doesn't represent the average guy in the street. Anyone with half a brain has enjoyed the series so far and knows it may rain in England. The wider thing is this series shows why test cricket should be protected. It's been absolutely brilliant. As for "Bazball" it's been brilliant for the last 18 months. And we're happy with it. Here is a fact unless England are in town no one turns up. Feel free to tell me when the MCG is packed unless England are playing.
Kerry’s comments are ridiculous. On paper, England shouldn’t come close to challenging this Australian team. They have only one batsman with a career average over 40 from 20+ games; they lost their spinner ahead of the series and their most dangerous fast bowler has been injured for about 2 years; they just played the oldest Test attack in the modern era; and they haven’t won a single game from their last 15 in Australia. As an Aussie, it is hard to imagine a better opportunity to win a series on English soil (and they may well do so at The Oval!). And yet, by adopting this aggressive strategy, the Poms have been able to match the Aussies - and even dominate entire matches, as they did at Old Trafford. And bizarre as it feels, I much prefer watching the England team than the Aussies. Far from feeling sorry for England fans, I envy them the ‘Bazball’ spectacle!
Whinge whinge whinge, Aussies are something else and by far second best to this English team, got extremely lucky with the weather and everything else, history will say they retained the ashes and congratulations but get real
@@kippsguitar6539You lost the first two tests at HOME. You think we care if you're entertaining? It's test match cricket not Big Bash. Second best team won 🤷♂️as intelligent as the "spirit of the game"
I read this again to make sure I wasn't seeing things, "England shouldn't come close" ??? England are a far stronger team but shot themselves in the foot while broken Australia (7 an over bowling) valiantly hung on and got very very lucky with a 3 day test, congratulations Australia retaining the ashes and congratulations on this comment for being the most ridiculous one sided comment of the year , will h Aussies that's really saying something!
Australia have played well below their best this series - and have made some woeful tactical decisions on the field - and yet we have still won the series. BTW try playing that bazball approach in Australia and see how you go. You would go down at least 3-1 (say there was one drawn test). Bazball works on flat wickets and small grounds. Try doing that at the MCG and see how you go.
@@kippsguitar6539 Mate, you might need to read my comment a third time: *on paper* , England clearly should not come close to beating Australia. Statistically and on reputation, the Australians are far stronger. *But* not only have England matched Australia, they have looked the better team - both better to watch, and often better in terms of performance. If you read what I wrote and thought I was whinging about the series result, you must struggle with reading comprehension! 🙃
Australia lost Lyon who is the only Australian bowler that is not replaceable. They played an extra hard match against India. They lost Four tosses against England and one against India. They by far had the worst of weather conditions. They won the world cup championship and at least retained the ashes. Yet the English are talking about how England are the much better team.
No one said we are a better team old boy, man for man you are better and you won’t find many Englishmen disagreeing. But for weather we would be at 2-2 now and we are disappointed. You are the world champions and deserve to be. We were out and out losers, now going toe to toe with the best! We are happy to at least compete with you now, if we can bring our full compliment of fast bowlers to Aus next time round, we will beat you
@@royhammond2232 England have a lot of ageing fast bowlers. Wood is 33, Woakes 34, Broad 37, Anderson 41. Archer may not play red ball cricket again. This isn't meant as a sledge, it's a genuine question, who are you adding to Robinson and Tongue as fast bowlers on the next trip to Oz? Who in England can make the step up?
The Poms are still in denial and are blaming everyone else but themselves for the first two matches. Their Bazball lacks finesse, it's brute force, which is all or nothing and is unsustainable. The problem is, they have come into the series with hubris, now come the excuses for that.
@ “02:51” I feel sorry for English cricket if Bazball wins” What PLANET is this commentator on? Stokes as a player and captain is a GENIUS. From the mess he inherited, I’ve seen England play some of the best cricket EVER. We’ve chased 400 last innings against NZ ; made 600 against Pakistan in a day and whipped them 3-0; and turned test cricket upside down on its head by making fourth innings run chases that history said couldn’t be done, all of sudden, being made to look easy The lack of respect for Stokes the captain and leader, is pretty ordinary
He failed on home turf with everything going his way then he cried about the spirit of cricket. After everything that's happened in this series on top of his disgraceful attitude and constant bungling I don't know why anyone should respect his captaincy. The way he's going he will never win an actual Ashes series because he's happy wining the ones played in his imagination.
England have been the better team this Ashes in my view. If it wasn't for rain, Eng would have demolished Aus in the last game. And I'm from Australia.
They were the better batting team, not the better team, that's why they didn't win and lost the Ashes again. I've been saying for years Australia's batting is brittle, or hit or miss. In conditions where it was obviously suited to them, England batted better. But they were by no means the better team. Going by a lot of these replies, you'd think England won.
Thank you for your fair comment. I think we Pommies are entitled to feel aggrieved. England were looking like the better side after Lords. It really could have been 3-2 England.
Stokes should have declared earlier this time, a lead of 175 was enough to force a result as even a blind man was expecting loads of rains. Declared earlier in first test and didn't declare on time at old trafford.
Kerry O’Keefe, the king of Spain. You would never have said that about him while he was playing the game at an average of 38 per wicket. The new era we should be talking about is the exciting way the Aussies position fielders on the Boundry for their premier fast bowlers at the beginning of a match. Fantastic Exciting, edge of the seat cricket, well done you Aussies.
We won 1 in 17 Tests prior to ‘Bazball’ … 12 wins out of 17 since Stokes took over. Of the 4 Tests we’ve lost (under Stokes), we declared in two of them and Bairstow had a schoolboy error in another. All ifs and buts, but we could easily have won 16 out of the 17 Tests. Long may Bazball continue. Stokes is a Legend.
He has done a lot for English cricket - Bazball only works on flat wickets and is just T20 played as a five day test. Try and play that at the MCG or Perth and see how you go. One thing Stokes has to learn is to adapt to the specific circumstances. Tactics need to change sometimes. Having said the above I have found this series absolutely enthralling even if it keeps me up to 2am (in Australia)
@@jimmyodriscoll9273I haven't met one Aussie who's upset. Not sure what that meant. All I know is Australia have the ashes till England visit in a couple of years and will get whacked again. That's how it rolls....
Australia have failed to win even one series in the previous 5 in England. (4 losses, 1 draw). With pitches designed to suit Bazball, winning all 4 tosses, and having the best conditions in virtually all sessions, England's ashes results under Bazball seem to me to be below par.
@@allanbriggs807 The game that England play is of course being refined, just like any team would do with totally new tactics. It has progressed during this series. I think that as far as tactics are concerned, Australians may be in a glass house throwing stones. Their leadership is woeful and the decision making confused. They spent most of the series chasing their tales and trying to figure out how to react to the game being played. If this was a good movie, the Australian team would be the extras. Basically England won and lost two matches, Australia were just there to watch the show.
As a neutral, it is so hilarious to see how the narrative of an Ashes victory & the effect of Bazball on the same changes from the Poms to an Oz perspective.🤣
Bazball is T20 Test cricket.....the Aussies management has been really slow to understand that....T20 fielding has certain tactics..slow balls etc....eventually everyone will work out Bazball...
@@1362pcteams don’t bowl to take wickets in T20’s they bowl to keep scores low. You have to take wickets in a Test. Bowlers also only bowl 2 overs in a row in a T20 so can ramp up the pace, bowl bouncers etc. you can’t do that for 16 overs a day
Bazball seems fine to me. Two years ago england couldnt win a match. They might draw this series with the current best team going around. Not bad for a failure
@@kadichidu4171 I'm not really what you mean. They're are focused on a positive game that's won them matches and possibly will draw them with the best in the world. Maybe it just suits the current players they have. The bells and cooks aren't anywhere to be seen. I don't know the country game in the UK at all
England are playing incredible test cricket and if not for the rain they probably would have won the series. Against a very good Australian side. I think they're incredible, and I've been a mental Aussie cricket fan since Chappelli
Pom in Praise. Well done Australia. O'Keeffe is 100% correct. It hurts not to have The Urn, as it bloody well should. No complaints from this Englishman, presumably one of many feeling that way if you look beyond the headlines. As for the Bairstow 'stumping' - as it's put - that was simply a big mistake on his part. Forget about it quick, as it's embarrassing, rather than point the finger at The Aussies. Skully makes a very good point that England could well be reducing a limited pool of potential Test players by limiting the approach with Bazball. It is still a refreshing take, certainly dragging us away from the captaincies of Cook and Root, that were about as entertaining as watching old people eat. Celebrate, Australia. You've been fabulous for the world, especially when the chips were down you always came through.
We all know what times test cricket is played between. We all know it rains a fair bit in England. Heck, we lose days of play here in Aus due to rain as well. We retained the Ashes in a tough series where no quarter was asked - but crikey the Poms gave us a few!! That declaration in the first test and batting on in the 4th test when we all knew it was going to chuck it down for two days. I’m still so ashamed about the sandpaper incident and have only recently started to watch test cricket again because of it. Also - my goodness but isn’t Skull hilarious.
Yeah that sandpaper thing was a really difficult pill to swallow. I have never forgiven Warner and have hated every game he has played in since. I will call for his head yet again. He has been embarrassing for Australia long enough. His taste in women is fantastic though.
@conburgundyy1093 yeah true. I think we just don’t want our own doing it as we think they are above that sort of thing. But the best of men are men at best. We’re all prone to doing the wrong thing.
The style of play is entertaining and suits their players but the evangelical narrative and attitude is obnoxious and the refusal to acknowledge certain facts is just plain weird.
I really want to see how bazball goes over the five test series in India. Until it is played across the world, we won’t know. I suspect it will also depend upon having the right cattle to make it work over the medium to longer term.
I feel you completely misunderstand the British sense of humor and culture if you think the crowds chanting was mean spirited! A chant of "you're not captain any more" to Smith is hardly mean considering the history of the player and what could have been chanted!! Generally speaking, if a British crowd is singing songs about an opposition player it is a sign of respect, they have clearly been a nuisance to us. Of course there are occasions were there is malice , but those are rarities. And lets be honest here, it is a part of the game of cricket to rib each other (there is even a name for it - sledging) - you just need to listen to former opponents across the board when they are in the commentary box - they are always jibing each other, and it is done with a smile - they all understand it is not said with malicious intent - its just friends having a laugh with each other
I like that, moral ashes. It's great to call out "the spirit of the game" when it suits them, or when their over confidence has left them looking like fools.
Why didnt stokes bat first at Manchester he knew the test would be short.. If bazball is so grand why didnt he use it in the first innings on the first day and try to bowl the Aussies out twice i cant believe he didnt. Wasn't the rain at all...
The forearm guard is back. So too the chesty bond. Scary fast bowling. Slips catches audible. Slapping the hands like ACDC.. Heavy metal. Roll on the 5th.
He's like a rabbit in the headlights now and hasn't recovered from his cheating scandal, pity he was a great player but a liability now, English are happy when he's on the teamsheet
Lmfao didn't recover from the 'scandal', he scored 800 runs in 4 tests in 2019 in England after the 12 month ban😂😂 Perhaps like any job, age and passion comes into it.
@@cbscbs9090 yes a great player but not in the ashes anymore sadly, 37 year old broad is just dominating him, 4 years ago isn't now, just look at his numbers, I hope the Australian selectors agree with you and pick him
@@kippsguitar6539 with all due respect mate, maybe you have had a few too many cold ones, but perhaps you are thinking of David Warner and not Steve Smith...as far as I recall Broad has only dismissesd Smith twice this series...perhaps you weren't aware Smudge is Steve Smith?
I am a passionate Aussie cricket fan and have been for 30+ years. I am happy we retained the Ashes but must add that I love the way England are playing their cricket. They are the best team to watch at the moment and for the first time ever I am cheering for their success.
@@Devastating-queen-destroyrKingYou were lucky the pitch became flatter and it was easy to bat or else everyone knows what would have happened not to forget those drop catches of Pant
Has this aged well after the Oval?🤔 The biggest mistake from England was to be under-cooked going into Edgbaston - particularly with their catching. By squandering that test, Australia knew that with their strength of batting, and the north England weather, one more win and the ashes were to be retained. After Lords, I felt Australia doubled-down on a more turjid style of play and it probably cost them winning the series because England's style allowed them to get away from them.
As Skull said, The loss of this game was not just the weather... Leading by well over 150 and allowing to continue to bat when Stevie Wonder could see the rain coming was clearly the WRONG decision by the skipper Stokes... what would have happened with another 20-30 overs at Aussie? well that's what will be talked about..
Aussies are great at stating hindsight, you got very lucky, that's cricket and congratulations but the Aussies were praying for rain and are a beaten side
Wouldn't have mattered as 100 runs less means Australia would have been in the lead and even if Australia collapsed, England would have needed 100+ in less than 10 overs. So declaration was never the issue.
It would not have mattered as australia would eventually have gotten a lead and eventually england would have needed to bat again and no amount of time would have been saved it's not that sifficult to understand
Most of English cricket fans stayed silent. It was a draw. The rules are fine. No one is complaining. The Australian media seem to think Piers Morgan is the ECB/English supporters spokesman. You do realise he gets paid for your hate and ridicule? The more you engage, you more he gets paid. Carry on.... You feel the need to find someone English to rail against when most English fans aren't complaining.
Put a wig on O'Keefe and he's the new dame Edna, England are by far the better side snd Australia got very lucky, plus ridiculous declaration cost stokes and England in the first test which Australia capitalized on, too cocky stokes, this is a cocky but awesome England side, Australia look broken and got lucky but retained the ashes somehow and fair play to them, the English crowd are indeed becoming a football low class rabble and i for one am disgusted by some of the chanting, above all this (the ashes )is once again the best sporting event in the world and long may it continue
There will always be drunken yobs in the crowd, in England or Australia. They pays their money. As long as they don’t throw missiles at players, who cares what they say. Personally, as an Aussie watching on TV at home, I thought the angry Long Room scene at Lords was more confronting than the idiots in the stands, due to the proximity of members to the players and unusual open hostility from members. A real mob mentality in there.
"Our only goal is to retain or regain." Well, it is when all your other pre-series boasts about easy whitewashes and demolishng Bazball crumble anyway. 😂 But hey, we English will admit, our weather turned out to be a very tough opponent. Far tougher than what was on the field with us.
Yeah, so sorry that the Aussies are leading 2-1 on foreign soil. Remember the previous ashes test spoiled by weather? 2 Years ago Sydney rain saved England's arse and a prevented 5-0 drubbing?
We missed opportunity's in the first test, we didn't play well enough but almost won, second test we didn't play well enough at all. By the third test it was too much of an uphill battle but we played well. Australia played very passive field placements to negate bazball boundaries, it worked well but not something that should be the normal in Test Cricket. Anyway, well done Australia, play to win first.
''Will the English change their tactics?'' is a great question, because they just bowled Australia out for 300 on a flat deck then scored 592 at 5.5 in reply, before having Australia on the ropes, 60 behind with 5 wickets left in the second innings, before the rain came in and prevented a victory. They definitely need something to change.
One Question , How are you going to Bowl out Australia next time ?, Two best Bowlers are Retireing , yes you have Two old Quicks , I don't see you Bowling Out many Teams , and who is your Spinner And Australia did not fire with the bat And with all that only lost by 45 Runs in The Last Test . Which would made it 3 - 2 and now your not Happy with A 100 year old understanding a Draw Is not realy Fair way to Retain the Ashes , your the Great Traditional Country like everything old and Follow old Traditions , make your mind Up
The Barmy Army were quite clever and entertaining 10 years ago. Now they are just like the pissed bloke at the party telling everyone his one really awful dad joke.
“Bazball was smashed!” Give me a break. If Bairstow could catch the bloody ball first 2 Tests we wouldn’t be moaning about the weather. We’d have been 3-0 up. It’s a shame a great series has been ultimately decided by weather, but this Pom isn’t gonna cry about it. We all know the rules going in. To say Bazball doesn’t work is crazy. Look at our record since McCullen has come in. Entertaining cricket and only 3 losses, 2 in this series that with better catching we’d have won. I’m obviously disappointed we’re not going to win the Ashes, but I’d much rather watch this brand of cricket Trevor Baylis or Chris bloody Silverwood. In finishing, congratulations on retaining, you’ve come over here and played some great stuff the opening 2 Tests. The third test we got the rub of the green with conditions. You got them this Test. That’s cricket. Looking forward to the Oval tomorrow
I think you need to have strategies for each team you play against - and each ground you play at. Try playing Bazball at the MCG and see how you go. This series has been excellent and I have certainly been glued to the tv.
@@allanbriggs807 I think it’ll be a very different England (and Australia) team next series down under. We’ll be without Broad and Anderson. Ali will have retired by then. Woods ankle is always a concern. Genuinely haven’t a clue who our bowling attack will be when that comes around. Smith and Warner will be gone, so no pantomime villains for the barmy army to boo. I can see high scoring games all round. Wether we can take 20 wickets remains to be seen. I’m a lot more optimistic about the future of English than I was this time last year. We’re white ball kings (both formats) and improving massively in the Test arena. Despite the Ashes staying in Oz we’re in a pretty good place
Right, bazball is the issue. Remind me what England’s record was for the preceding 2 years before they started bazball and what the record is since? They have by and large matched the Aussies across the entire series and somehow these panelists think they need to scrap this method? Without rain, it would be 2-2. Move on.
I don't think people are saying bazball is bad in itself. It has a place. However it will only work on flat wickets (small grounds also help) BTW - Australia's tactics were terrible.
They have matched an Australian side playing well below their best, who have lost every toss, had the worst of the conditions in the first 3 tests and whose top spinner went down injured in the first innings of the 2nd test. Without these things it would be 4-0, maybe 3-1. England's ego has been their downfall, and they still don't get it.
Bazball is only sustainable on specific pitches, hence why England has produced flat wickets for the series. It'll struggle in India and in Australia, and they already drew in NZ this year while playing it.
Skull, I love your analysis and your humour buddy, and I live over the other side of the ditch, lol. I watched you bowl live in Hamilton in 1974 (you got 4/18, but I got Doug Walters' autograph). But now I'm afraid you and I are among the last of a dying breed. The days of the nuanced battle between bat and ball are coming to an end. There are a number of problems that just will not go away. Firstly, the batters' bats are now a whole lot bigger but the bowlers' balls are not. The fielding side are at a disadvantage because the PC mob have denied them a third man. The pitches are flatter and better protected and maintained, and the boundaries are shorter. Top edges and mishits that would previously be caught are soaring for 6s. ODIs and T20s have reduced bowlers' role to cannon fodder, pace bowlers' best delivery is a yorker just inside the off side wide zone, to prevent a hoick over mid wicket or a ramp. Stumps are there now just to give the umpires something to do because the TV dude makes all of the important decisions. It's nearly all over for us mate. Almost time to hang up our bats, our helmets, and if we can locate where we last used them, our balls. And oh yes, tell the wife she can have her temporary book-end back for good. Cheers.
I saw Kerry play in that '77 series at Old Trafford, he spent most of the game looking out of binoculars at girls in the crowd from the players balcony which was in the old pavilion. As for his bowling, match return of 2-139 as Eng cantered home by 9 wkts. You could write what he knows about playing in English conditions on the back of stamp. If you'd folded it in half first.
From memory that was the series where Sir Geoffrey made his famous return scoring his 99th and then 100th first class centuries, the latter in front of his home crowd in Headingley. As one Yorkshireman was quick to point out, the three greatest opening batters of all time all played for Yorkshire, and none had a middle name.
England fan here. I think the truth is that England's "bazball" is a poor, and almost cartoonish, reflection of the current obsession with one day cricket. Bazball is just that; entertaining, bums on and in seats, glitz, fast. But it'll never win the Ashes. This much we knew after the disaster in Australia last year. Nothing has been learned. An overeliance on Stokes, Bairstow, an ageing Anderson and Broad simply won't do. There is no strength in depth in UK cricket, and it's perhaps not surprising that against this background we learn, as if we didn't know, that its selectors and organisers are very middle class, very prejudiced, very out of touch. And our whole game reflects this.....
Bazball was smashed. Hmmmm. I;ve never seen an Aussie team so unAussie in the way it's gone about things in over 50 years of watching them. They;ve basically turned up and dined off England's mistakes for 2 test matches then realised they can;t compete with Bazball for the next 2 and smiled with relief like giddy children that the weather saved them. I know a lot of Aussies having lived over there for years and know any true Aussie won't be convinced by this result UNLESS they deliver a sound thrashing at the Oval.
Australia were smart. They were bowling rubbish to England somewhat intentionally, which made the Poms to want to just bat and bat and bat, basically letting their ego take hold and lose track of the game...meanwhile in the Australians heads they are thinking 'we aren't even going to attempt to chase this regardless of the score, if we keep bowling to these clowns they way they want it, it will chew up more and more time'...and look what happened. No match awareness by Stokes or 'Baz'. Too eager to 'pummel Australia' and pump up thier egos and give crab Jonny a 100 to make himself feel good... Cost them in the end. Go Australia.
I think you're giving us a bit too much credit. They weren't bowling rubbish intentionally. The Aussies should have leveraged their starts better and scored more and Stokes should have declared.
That's a little too positive. Australia have shown very poor tactics in the field. Poor field settings and strange tactics (to say the least) Let's hope that Cummins learns from this.
@@allanbriggs807 Yep, agreed. Perhaps abit too much fantasy in there from me, but yeah, I couldn't come to any other logical conclusion based off the evidence of the poor bowling, woeful field placements and Englands lack of urgency to push the game along (despite their run rate).
@@allanbriggs807 the poor tactics were all intentional. Stokes got mindfuck by cummins. Watch australia pummel england in the 5th test. It be a walk in the park. 😀😀
As an Aussie my thoughts are basically Bazball can be a weapon but it's reliant on the pitches built to spec and the famously reliable English weather. That said Australia did get lucky, Warner, Smudge and Cummins need to go. At the very least we need a new Captain.
They chose to bowl first most of the time, unlikely Australia would've bowled first if they won the toss. It's a bit overstated, probably wouldve ended up the same anyway
The nerv of English pundits to carry on with 1st the Bairstow incident and now the "we deserve to win" is so unbelievable and hypocritical it's hilarious. But listening to these guys bag English crowds for being to harsh and not original takes the cake! We in Australia are a disgrace and the most unoriginal lot of all. Does anyone have an unbiased thought in their brains??
Of all the things that happened this test series. The Ashes series in Australia will be a different one. I think the English players won’t be able to get off the bus.
So kind for him to feel sorry for England cricket fans for Bazball. When will England learn the best and most entertaining way to play cricket is to run out batters between overs?😂
Aussies are massively scared of England. They admitted pre-match they were hoping for rain. They've been clueless at times in this series - bat & ball. England threw away a lot of wickets in the first & second Tests by trying to score quick enough to avoid draws against a negative Aussie side. The constant whining about losing Lyon, yet England played a whole series without Leach & Archer. Stokes could barely bowl. Wood, Woakes & Anderson just returned from injuries & Ali had to come out of retirement! And yet the Aussies only won on a technicality as the games couldn't be completed.
"I feel sorry for English cricket if England wins". Yeah...no. The style of English cricket has got everyone talking in the UK. Compared to where England were under the back end of Root's captaincy, it's a complete revolution. Bazball ain't perfect, Stokes ain't infallible, England probably ain't better than Australia. But England are playing good cricket against the best team in the world, and that's something. As for the captains, Cummins seems to me a bit like Alastair Cook or Joe Root was for England: company man, clean-living, statesman, champion player but tactically uninspired. There were no alternatives. England won games in spite of Cook's captaincy, and it's the same for Australia. With that bowling attack, keeper and those three or four batters (Smith, Marnus, Head, Khawaja), you'll win a heck of a lot of games irrespective of the captain
But that doesn't mean we need to go on as usual. When this series is over Cummins needs to spend some time understanding tactics. At the moment he is a poor tactician (not just in the 4th test either)
Kerry England record under Stokes and Mccullum is played 17 won 12 lost 4 drew 1(which we would have won because of the weather) So results do matter and we are getting them
Is "Bazball" bad for English cricket? Possibly .... depends on how it's evolving, and it is evolving. Is Bazball bad for Australian cricket in future? On the current evidence, highly likely. Australians don't like bold strategies from England in general. Bazball is a perfect peg for social comment in general to hang the general criticism of this approach on without recognizing the evolution that has already taken plan. As an Englishmen, I love the criticism from Australia from this - it fuels hope they're not looking where it matters, don't be surprised if you lose a succession of Ashes series in general.
No rain its 2-2 and aussies under all sorts of pressure. I hope england keeps playing this way and i disagree it works only on flat pitches. I think the more you attack on green tops the better mindset you'll be in. Bazball is "front foot" test cricket. Its not just swinging your bat wildly, its attacking field setting, brave declarations its what test cricket needs to be honest. Just look how flustered Australia was on the first day of the first test. Long live bazball lol
I don't know that Vaughan was "looking for a headline". To be fair, he did iterate quite strongly that he didn't know where that information was coming from. It looked to me like he was just repeating what he'd heard but it certainly didn't carry any weight as far as his own opinion was concerned. He doesn't believe that himself. And nor, it seems, does anyone else. You'd think that if anyone knew what David Warner's plans were it would be Candace and she rubbished that straight away. Vaughan is a good analyst and commentator, we should afford him more respect than that.
As an Australian I sincerely hope that English cricket maintain their delusions and I look forward to them celebrating more successful series like this 😂
Bad for England on long run but future of test cricket... First time watching and following test cricket in my life as a big MotoGP fan between that Jack Miller is doing a great job on KTM...
@@mikespearwood3914 this one is the best I've been watching because who else will get bored after watching Johnny's 99* knock... But who might've thought about Crowley's 150+ at that pace... 3 days of play and Australia already lost 99% is why I watched... First match Australia was already playing for draw and it was ridiculous... This series is going to be remembered for ages just because of Bazball not because of Australia or maybe but you know for what...
@@salttea8926 Bazball was flopping & ridicule was immenent. Third and Fourth Tests had wickets prepared for the Bazball strategy and team changes. Karma is a real thing and was reflected in the recent Drawn Test and Krusty Bairstow being isolated on 99 n.o. It is what it is 😂.
I don't know what Kerry O'Keefe was watching. Yes with home ground advantage. Bazball by England almost toppled Australia. I think Australia is very lucky to get out of the series a draw. The English rain which always played a part saved Australia's blushes. I am neutral by the way I just like watching good cricket and England played some good cricket so did Australia in this series. However it remains to be seen if Bazball works in Australian conditions when they go their next 2 and 1/2 years. But in English conditions Bazball is definitely a winner.
We mock cheats. Sandpaper ring any bells? I have tons of respect for players like Travis Head, Mitchell Marsh, Nathan Lyon. Do the crime you do the time. Simple as that. Maybe don’t hero worship cheats?
Christ the irony at the Australians throwing the toys out of the pram at any word that comes out of an Englishman's mouth and then saying that we're the ones whining. Yeah there has been tons of whining from the England camp but the hypocrisy and hysteria at even the most innocuous comments is honestly pretty hilarious
@@chrisbuesnell3428 I literally said there's been tons of whining. The thing is you know Australia would have acted the same way if not worse if the shoe was on the other foot. Like the bairstow stumping, the Australians seem to have conveniently forgotten their reaction to Broad not walking. He received far worse abuse than anything this tour and it continued all the way to the next ashes tour. It will never not be funny watching the Australians getting their knickers in a twist at every tiny comment given their history of having a team filled with total wankers. Can give it but can't take it it seems.
@@amayesingnathan I disagree. Say it was in Australia. Narrow loss at Brisbane. Narrow loss in Perth (our fault). Win in Adelaide. Then rained out on Melbourne. So england retains ashes with a dead rubber in sydney. Press and supporters would look at the team and the tactics. Rightly. Wouldn't blame the other team. Saying bullshit not deserved etc. The problem is england and it's supporters. It's a cult. And the behaviour is beyond a joke. Stokes comments after 2nd test were not factually correct. ( I won't call him a liar). So no. It wouldn't be the same in Australia. Re broad not walking. Well that's up to him. You don't have to walk. But what happened there was an obvious out. He wrong footed the umpire. He was not abused in england.The next series was the first chance Australian fans got to react. It was in no way far worse. Not even close. In addition the abuse has gone beyond the players. But in Australia no one boos opposing teams on milestones. Eg Smith. Labashange etc. That's new. And it's not on. Lastly the behaviour in the so called long room. That would not pass here in blacktown rsl at closing time. Just wouldn't. I honestly think you don't really know what your talking about. I on the other hand do.
Another Pom in Praise. It hurts to lose The Ashes. It took for me backpacking across that wonderful country to see just how much we do whinge. And we do. Gold medal assured as Skull says. Long may fair play continue so we can enjoy this in defeat. I'd fight like the devil for The Ashes; then I'll do the same for Australia. We owe you much.
2-2 all was the final score. Just a bit of comfort for Australia, you did not lose two matches. On the other hand, you did not win two either. England won two and lost two. You were merely the extras cast in the making of a good movie. Australia did nothing but react to and try to keep up with the show. It was cricket without adventure, leadership or direction and deserves little more than a footnote in the credits.
England cricket fans have always been like this, it’s all light hearted chanting, they’re nothing like football fans which are nowhere near a light hearted and much more aggressive at European games. Don’t be silly
In 10 years time when we're playing exciting 4 day tests because the whole cricketing world will adapt and play 'bazball'...... you can thank England for saving test cricket!
I think, over the five tests, seeing the fifth test, England have been a bit better for sure. But the so-called bazball, well, very aggressive exciting batting, but stupid to declare in the first test match. Call me a bit of a party pooper, but I still prefer a lot of the old traditional test cricket.
O'Keefe's always quick with a joke but he identified what is truly relevant in saying this: "I want to play hard-nosed, five-day test cricket for my country."
Don't talk to Candace about any David Warner related news. You know it's coming from a very biased position. Not really seeing the bigger picture. David should have retired a while ago. It's not really up to him when he retires if he's form is terrible that's the selectors job.
In all honesty after the rain delay and end to the 4th test and the dead rubber of the upcoming 5th test (will still watch!) I’m looking at this series a whole as the first 3 tests.. at the least that’s what I’ll remember.. a tense and well fought 2-1 Aussie triumph.. I ❤ Cummins.. over Warner but I’ll miss Smith and Lyon great statesman and players .. enjoying Marsh.. great cricket and I’ll NEVER forget Carey’s amazing Bairstow stumping forever! Cheers Australian cricket team everything else is icing
Australia retain the Ashes in front of zero spectators. Bazball may or may not be the future but it will bring crowds to the game. Australia just about deserved to retain the Ashes but no more.
No one is bashing the door down in Australia to take Warners opening spot, same as Smithys spot at 4. I think they play another year or so at least. Young blokes coming up need to grab the spots with both hands and aren't.
It is the absolute worst argument to make . Marnus was averaging 30 in shield cricket now he is one of the best test batsman they need a chance renshaw is first in line . As for smith he can go as long as he wants he has made 2 hundreds in 10 innings this series he is a top batsman. Warner is averaging 20 for a few years now
@@chriscoyne4827 averaging mid 40s . Has a few test hundreds already . Got a few against a nz tour series last year . Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about
@@danielkelly4487 you serious going to go there what did he do Australia vs India. NZ has a weak blowing line up anyone can get runs off them. Average mid 40s yeah against no player's in the sheild big difference coming up towards quality bowling. Get off the drugs please
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Because we all know, Aussie fans are quiet, polite, really affectionate to the English players and, of course, don't drink at all
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And the irony is Australia complaining about us "whinging" - is it's self a massive whinge. But anyway got to love Aussie hubris!
@@bruno5137 sounds like whinging to me, you lost get over it
@@rookere1604 Yeah alright I admit it hurts not to win the Ashes. But just like us English over did the Bazball hype, you Aussies have over done the whinging stuff.
They've never been disrespectful. Aggressive maybe, but never where players have had to physically deal with fans.
I’m an Aussie and 100% back our team but this is woeful. Firstly, it’s so awkward having Candice on the panel. Secondly, us Aussies rip the opposition in Australia - Stop your whinging fox cricket, you’re so far off the mark.
Sure, but the Aussie players don’t whinge when they lose. They were respectful after losing to India and acknowledged the same. The English players and media don’t ever acknowledge for once how well we played
@@912dreamer English Cricket play Bazball on flat decks and claim as if it is something big. That's why whole of India is supporting Australia in the Ashes. Bazball will be destroyed in India next year.
@@912dreamer Nah they just cry on tv when they get caught cheating.
@@robbojnr27 good one! I agree. Wish they had taken tips on managing tampering from Michael Atherton
Here is the rub, no one is bothered about the Aussies winning. The whinging poms is journalists moaning if that exists. I'm literally embarrassed by this piece. England dropped catches fact, if anyone in Australia thinks the average fan is bothered well I hate to tell you no one is. Piers Morgan on TV doesn't represent the average guy in the street. Anyone with half a brain has enjoyed the series so far and knows it may rain in England. The wider thing is this series shows why test cricket should be protected. It's been absolutely brilliant. As for "Bazball" it's been brilliant for the last 18 months. And we're happy with it. Here is a fact unless England are in town no one turns up. Feel free to tell me when the MCG is packed unless England are playing.
Kerry’s comments are ridiculous. On paper, England shouldn’t come close to challenging this Australian team. They have only one batsman with a career average over 40 from 20+ games; they lost their spinner ahead of the series and their most dangerous fast bowler has been injured for about 2 years; they just played the oldest Test attack in the modern era; and they haven’t won a single game from their last 15 in Australia. As an Aussie, it is hard to imagine a better opportunity to win a series on English soil (and they may well do so at The Oval!). And yet, by adopting this aggressive strategy, the Poms have been able to match the Aussies - and even dominate entire matches, as they did at Old Trafford. And bizarre as it feels, I much prefer watching the England team than the Aussies. Far from feeling sorry for England fans, I envy them the ‘Bazball’ spectacle!
Whinge whinge whinge, Aussies are something else and by far second best to this English team, got extremely lucky with the weather and everything else, history will say they retained the ashes and congratulations but get real
@@kippsguitar6539You lost the first two tests at HOME. You think we care if you're entertaining? It's test match cricket not Big Bash. Second best team won 🤷♂️as intelligent as the "spirit of the game"
I read this again to make sure I wasn't seeing things, "England shouldn't come close" ??? England are a far stronger team but shot themselves in the foot while broken Australia (7 an over bowling) valiantly hung on and got very very lucky with a 3 day test, congratulations Australia retaining the ashes and congratulations on this comment for being the most ridiculous one sided comment of the year , will h Aussies that's really saying something!
Australia have played well below their best this series - and have made some woeful tactical decisions on the field - and yet we have still won the series. BTW try playing that bazball approach in Australia and see how you go. You would go down at least 3-1 (say there was one drawn test). Bazball works on flat wickets and small grounds. Try doing that at the MCG and see how you go.
@@kippsguitar6539 Mate, you might need to read my comment a third time: *on paper* , England clearly should not come close to beating Australia. Statistically and on reputation, the Australians are far stronger. *But* not only have England matched Australia, they have looked the better team - both better to watch, and often better in terms of performance. If you read what I wrote and thought I was whinging about the series result, you must struggle with reading comprehension! 🙃
Australia lost Lyon who is the only Australian bowler that is not replaceable. They played an extra hard match against India. They lost Four tosses against England and one against India. They by far had the worst of weather conditions. They won the world cup championship and at least retained the ashes. Yet the English are talking about how England are the much better team.
No one said we are a better team old boy, man for man you are better and you won’t find many Englishmen disagreeing. But for weather we would be at 2-2 now and we are disappointed. You are the world champions and deserve to be. We were out and out losers, now going toe to toe with the best! We are happy to at least compete with you now, if we can bring our full compliment of fast bowlers to Aus next time round, we will beat you
Great points. Overlooked
@@royhammond2232 England have a lot of ageing fast bowlers. Wood is 33, Woakes 34, Broad 37, Anderson 41. Archer may not play red ball cricket again. This isn't meant as a sledge, it's a genuine question, who are you adding to Robinson and Tongue as fast bowlers on the next trip to Oz? Who in England can make the step up?
The Poms are still in denial and are blaming everyone else but themselves for the first two matches. Their Bazball lacks finesse, it's brute force, which is all or nothing and is unsustainable. The problem is, they have come into the series with hubris, now come the excuses for that.
Moan moan moan, Aussies are something else and what a nerve criticizing England
@ “02:51” I feel sorry for English cricket if Bazball wins”
What PLANET is this commentator on? Stokes as a player and captain is a GENIUS. From the mess he inherited, I’ve seen England play some of the best cricket EVER. We’ve chased 400 last innings against NZ ; made 600 against Pakistan in a day and whipped them 3-0; and turned test cricket upside down on its head by making fourth innings run chases that history said couldn’t be done, all of sudden, being made to look easy
The lack of respect for Stokes the captain and leader, is pretty ordinary
Hard to respect a grown man in a bucket hat. 😅
He failed on home turf with everything going his way then he cried about the spirit of cricket.
After everything that's happened in this series on top of his disgraceful attitude and constant bungling I don't know why anyone should respect his captaincy.
The way he's going he will never win an actual Ashes series because he's happy wining the ones played in his imagination.
England have been the better team this Ashes in my view. If it wasn't for rain, Eng would have demolished Aus in the last game. And I'm from Australia.
Big deal it did rain
They were the better batting team, not the better team, that's why they didn't win and lost the Ashes again. I've been saying for years Australia's batting is brittle, or hit or miss. In conditions where it was obviously suited to them, England batted better. But they were by no means the better team. Going by a lot of these replies, you'd think England won.
Thank you for your fair comment. I think we Pommies are entitled to feel aggrieved. England were looking like the better side after Lords. It really could have been 3-2 England.
@@craigedwards2940mate England played the better cricket in all 5 tests. Rain saved you from losing 3-2. Simple as that
Then why didn't they? And Australia weren't even that great? If Australia could sort out a a Top order, They'd beat England every time.
Stokes should have declared earlier this time, a lead of 175 was enough to force a result as even a blind man was expecting loads of rains. Declared earlier in first test and didn't declare on time at old trafford.
150 would give Australia a false sense of having a lead and would lose wickets.... But then again....
That was 8 overs difference ffs
Kerry O’Keefe, the king of Spain. You would never have said that about him while he was playing the game at an average of 38 per wicket. The new era we should be talking about is the exciting way the Aussies position fielders on the Boundry for their premier fast bowlers at the beginning of a match. Fantastic Exciting, edge of the seat cricket, well done you Aussies.
Don’t get bitter
Get better
No offense to Skull, but according to wikipedia, Felipe VI is the king of Spain.
We won 1 in 17 Tests prior to ‘Bazball’ … 12 wins out of 17 since Stokes took over. Of the 4 Tests we’ve lost (under Stokes), we declared in two of them and Bairstow had a schoolboy error in another. All ifs and buts, but we could easily have won 16 out of the 17 Tests. Long may Bazball continue. Stokes is a Legend.
He has done a lot for English cricket - Bazball only works on flat wickets and is just T20 played as a five day test. Try and play that at the MCG or Perth and see how you go. One thing Stokes has to learn is to adapt to the specific circumstances. Tactics need to change sometimes.
Having said the above I have found this series absolutely enthralling even if it keeps me up to 2am (in Australia)
@@jimmyodriscoll9273I haven't met one Aussie who's upset. Not sure what that meant. All I know is Australia have the ashes till England visit in a couple of years and will get whacked again. That's how it rolls....
It's alright for Australian to call England isn't it..."not" instead of calling people just be happy 2-1 up. That's what I'm on about
Australia have failed to win even one series in the previous 5 in England. (4 losses, 1 draw).
With pitches designed to suit Bazball, winning all 4 tosses, and having the best conditions in virtually all sessions, England's ashes results under Bazball seem to me to be below par.
@@allanbriggs807 The game that England play is of course being refined, just like any team would do with totally new tactics. It has progressed during this series. I think that as far as tactics are concerned, Australians may be in a glass house throwing stones. Their leadership is woeful and the decision making confused. They spent most of the series chasing their tales and trying to figure out how to react to the game being played. If this was a good movie, the Australian team would be the extras. Basically England won and lost two matches, Australia were just there to watch the show.
As a neutral, it is so hilarious to see how the narrative of an Ashes victory & the effect of Bazball on the same changes from the Poms to an Oz perspective.🤣
Bazball is T20 Test cricket.....the Aussies management has been really slow to understand that....T20 fielding has certain tactics..slow balls etc....eventually everyone will work out Bazball...
@@1362pcteams don’t bowl to take wickets in T20’s they bowl to keep scores low. You have to take wickets in a Test. Bowlers also only bowl 2 overs in a row in a T20 so can ramp up the pace, bowl bouncers etc. you can’t do that for 16 overs a day
Bazball seems fine to me. Two years ago england couldnt win a match. They might draw this series with the current best team going around. Not bad for a failure
The problem is they are focusing more on bazball rather than winning
The problem is they are focusing more on bazball rather than winning
I want to see players like cook,bell etc but with bazball we will never see players like those
@@kadichidu4171 I'm not really what you mean. They're are focused on a positive game that's won them matches and possibly will draw them with the best in the world. Maybe it just suits the current players they have. The bells and cooks aren't anywhere to be seen. I don't know the country game in the UK at all
@@liamjenkins82 in long-run it will not sustain,with bazball they will start making flat pitches which is not gud for test cricket
England are playing incredible test cricket and if not for the rain they probably would have won the series. Against a very good Australian side. I think they're incredible, and I've been a mental Aussie cricket fan since Chappelli
new approaches are valid, but these are test matches not 50 over games
Pom in Praise. Well done Australia. O'Keeffe is 100% correct. It hurts not to have The Urn, as it bloody well should.
No complaints from this Englishman, presumably one of many feeling that way if you look beyond the headlines. As for the Bairstow 'stumping' - as it's put - that was simply a big mistake on his part. Forget about it quick, as it's embarrassing, rather than point the finger at The Aussies. Skully makes a very good point that England could well be reducing a limited pool of potential Test players by limiting the approach with Bazball. It is still a refreshing take, certainly dragging us away from the captaincies of Cook and Root, that were about as entertaining as watching old people eat. Celebrate, Australia. You've been fabulous for the world, especially when the chips were down you always came through.
We all know what times test cricket is played between. We all know it rains a fair bit in England. Heck, we lose days of play here in Aus due to rain as well. We retained the Ashes in a tough series where no quarter was asked - but crikey the Poms gave us a few!! That declaration in the first test and batting on in the 4th test when we all knew it was going to chuck it down for two days.
I’m still so ashamed about the sandpaper incident and have only recently started to watch test cricket again because of it.
Also - my goodness but isn’t Skull hilarious.
Almost at my pants when Skull said everyone was playing for the silver.
Yeah that sandpaper thing was a really difficult pill to swallow. I have never forgiven Warner and have hated every game he has played in since. I will call for his head yet again. He has been embarrassing for Australia long enough. His taste in women is fantastic though.
The boiled lolly affair.
@conburgundyy1093 by that do you mean that other nations have done the same thing?
@conburgundyy1093 yeah true. I think we just don’t want our own doing it as we think they are above that sort of thing. But the best of men are men at best. We’re all prone to doing the wrong thing.
The style of play is entertaining and suits their players but the evangelical narrative and attitude is obnoxious and the refusal to acknowledge certain facts is just plain weird.
Yes, members of cults behave like this.
Don’t challenge the ethos and methods of the cult…
Its a cult
I really want to see how bazball goes over the five test series in India. Until it is played across the world, we won’t know. I suspect it will also depend upon having the right cattle to make it work over the medium to longer term.
See how it goes on a green top in Oz.
England will be spun out by Ashwin. Bazball works on dead slow wickets with little help for bowlers. Anderson case in point.
@@john8443 I agree. I am not sure it’s going to travel well in India. Or at the Gabba,or in WA.
Imagine the pitches the Indians are gonna put together. Like bowling on a roundabout 😂
England might lose 5-0 in India
I feel you completely misunderstand the British sense of humor and culture if you think the crowds chanting was mean spirited! A chant of "you're not captain any more" to Smith is hardly mean considering the history of the player and what could have been chanted!! Generally speaking, if a British crowd is singing songs about an opposition player it is a sign of respect, they have clearly been a nuisance to us. Of course there are occasions were there is malice , but those are rarities.
And lets be honest here, it is a part of the game of cricket to rib each other (there is even a name for it - sledging) - you just need to listen to former opponents across the board when they are in the commentary box - they are always jibing each other, and it is done with a smile - they all understand it is not said with malicious intent - its just friends having a laugh with each other
Pops reinforcing their pathetic and whinging.
“We won the moral ashes…WTF?”
I like that, moral ashes. It's great to call out "the spirit of the game" when it suits them, or when their over confidence has left them looking like fools.
'We won the moral Ashes'... said nobody ever.
Why didnt stokes bat first at Manchester he knew the test would be short..
If bazball is so grand why didnt he use it in the first innings on the first day and try to bowl the Aussies out twice i cant believe he didnt.
Wasn't the rain at all...
The forearm guard is back. So too the chesty bond. Scary fast bowling. Slips catches audible. Slapping the hands like ACDC.. Heavy metal. Roll on the 5th.
when skull talks, i listen. one of the most knowledgeable and funny characters going around
Yup.
If rain didn't ruin the 4th Test and England won the 5th there would be a different narrative
IF!!!! Rain affects many tests. It isn't a new occurrence.
Too many 'Ifs' there. Can add if there was no rain when Australia were ahead in Headingley they had a good chance making it 3-0
@@allanbriggs807England been the better side a blind man can see that. Why Aussies so one eyed all the time
That guy IF gets a mention a lot😅😊
@@michaelmulhall5007how you been better when we lead 2-1 oh that's right in entertaining...😊
Smudge will play ashes 2027 ❤😌based on getting better every series he plays!!!!
He's like a rabbit in the headlights now and hasn't recovered from his cheating scandal, pity he was a great player but a liability now, English are happy when he's on the teamsheet
Lmfao didn't recover from the 'scandal', he scored 800 runs in 4 tests in 2019 in England after the 12 month ban😂😂
Perhaps like any job, age and passion comes into it.
@@cbscbs9090 yes a great player but not in the ashes anymore sadly, 37 year old broad is just dominating him, 4 years ago isn't now, just look at his numbers, I hope the Australian selectors agree with you and pick him
@@kippsguitar6539 with all due respect mate, maybe you have had a few too many cold ones, but perhaps you are thinking of David Warner and not Steve Smith...as far as I recall Broad has only dismissesd Smith twice this series...perhaps you weren't aware Smudge is Steve Smith?
@@kippsguitar6539 they still have nightmare from 2019😂😂
I am a passionate Aussie cricket fan and have been for 30+ years. I am happy we retained the Ashes but must add that I love the way England are playing their cricket. They are the best team to watch at the moment and for the first time ever I am cheering for their success.
O England the best team? How about the famous Gabba lost to India? 🎶 He'll hit you for a Six We've got Rishab Pant! 🎶😂
@@Devastating-queen-destroyrKingYou were lucky the pitch became flatter and it was easy to bat or else everyone knows what would have happened not to forget those drop catches of Pant
@@sofiakhan4131 Looks like ur eyes missed drop catches from Indian sides 🤷🏻♂️
@@Devastating-queen-destroyrKing Australia missed Pant catch and Gill catch which is the reason why you won
@@sofiakhan4131 I just realised ur a khan no wonder u hate Indian team 💀
Has this aged well after the Oval?🤔 The biggest mistake from England was to be under-cooked going into Edgbaston - particularly with their catching. By squandering that test, Australia knew that with their strength of batting, and the north England weather, one more win and the ashes were to be retained. After Lords, I felt Australia doubled-down on a more turjid style of play and it probably cost them winning the series because England's style allowed them to get away from them.
As Skull said, The loss of this game was not just the weather... Leading by well over 150 and allowing to continue to bat when Stevie Wonder could see the rain coming was clearly the WRONG decision by the skipper Stokes... what would have happened with another 20-30 overs at Aussie? well that's what will be talked about..
Aussies are great at stating hindsight, you got very lucky, that's cricket and congratulations but the Aussies were praying for rain and are a beaten side
Wouldn't have mattered as 100 runs less means Australia would have been in the lead and even if Australia collapsed, England would have needed 100+ in less than 10 overs. So declaration was never the issue.
It would not have mattered as australia would eventually have gotten a lead and eventually england would have needed to bat again and no amount of time would have been saved it's not that sifficult to understand
@@kippsguitar6539 I sure am not an Aussie! that's for sure.. but it was clear that test was going to be a 3 - 3 1/2 day test...
@@stunners131 Gotta surely give yourself a chance (as someone without a dog in the fight)
Most of English cricket fans stayed silent. It was a draw. The rules are fine. No one is complaining.
The Australian media seem to think Piers Morgan is the ECB/English supporters spokesman. You do realise he gets paid for your hate and ridicule? The more you engage, you more he gets paid. Carry on....
You feel the need to find someone English to rail against when most English fans aren't complaining.
You know you have a turd of a show when Candice Warner is on.
About as relevant as her husbands position in the test side is warranted.
England were much the better team and the world knows it
Candice has been well trained to not give anything away about Dave.
Ten minutes of O'Keefe's bashing England, can't be bothered with these biased Aussie fanboys!
Put a wig on O'Keefe and he's the new dame Edna, England are by far the better side snd Australia got very lucky, plus ridiculous declaration cost stokes and England in the first test which Australia capitalized on, too cocky stokes, this is a cocky but awesome England side, Australia look broken and got lucky but retained the ashes somehow and fair play to them, the English crowd are indeed becoming a football low class rabble and i for one am disgusted by some of the chanting, above all this (the ashes )is once again the best sporting event in the world and long may it continue
There will always be drunken yobs in the crowd, in England or Australia. They pays their money. As long as they don’t throw missiles at players, who cares what they say.
Personally, as an Aussie watching on TV at home, I thought the angry Long Room scene at Lords was more confronting than the idiots in the stands, due to the proximity of members to the players and unusual open hostility from members. A real mob mentality in there.
"Our only goal is to retain or regain." Well, it is when all your other pre-series boasts about easy whitewashes and demolishng Bazball crumble anyway. 😂 But hey, we English will admit, our weather turned out to be a very tough opponent. Far tougher than what was on the field with us.
I was feeling sorry for Australian cricket in old Trafford
why? everyone has a bad day.
@@sentimentalbloke185 because they had no idea what to do ?
@@AijazAli-yo4xn sorry for aus? they were saved the rain
@@AijazAli-yo4xn everyone has a bad day in the field when the opposition takes control. But they batted too long & helped to cook their own goose.
Yeah, so sorry that the Aussies are leading 2-1 on foreign soil. Remember the previous ashes test spoiled by weather? 2 Years ago Sydney rain saved England's arse and a prevented 5-0 drubbing?
We missed opportunity's in the first test, we didn't play well enough but almost won, second test we didn't play well enough at all. By the third test it was too much of an uphill battle but we played well. Australia played very passive field placements to negate bazball boundaries, it worked well but not something that should be the normal in Test Cricket. Anyway, well done Australia, play to win first.
''Will the English change their tactics?'' is a great question, because they just bowled Australia out for 300 on a flat deck then scored 592 at 5.5 in reply, before having Australia on the ropes, 60 behind with 5 wickets left in the second innings, before the rain came in and prevented a victory. They definitely need something to change.
oooooh poor baby
@@glenscholes9213 Please don't intimidate me with your wit Glen
But at the end, it’s 2-1 😂
Don’t talk sense to these morons on the panel. Kerry spouting so much tripe
One Question , How are you going to
Bowl out Australia next time ?, Two best
Bowlers are Retireing , yes you have
Two old Quicks , I don't see you Bowling
Out many Teams , and who is your Spinner
And Australia did not fire with the bat
And with all that only lost by 45 Runs in
The Last Test . Which would made it
3 - 2 and now your not Happy with
A 100 year old understanding a Draw
Is not realy Fair way to Retain the
Ashes , your the Great Traditional
Country like everything old and
Follow old Traditions , make your mind
Up
The Barmy Army were quite clever and entertaining 10 years ago. Now they are just like the pissed bloke at the party telling everyone his one really awful dad joke.
Pissed bloke that needs to bath and brush his yellow fangs.
Geez you nailed that…brilliant
A bit like your boy Skull here
“Bazball was smashed!” Give me a break. If Bairstow could catch the bloody ball first 2 Tests we wouldn’t be moaning about the weather. We’d have been 3-0 up.
It’s a shame a great series has been ultimately decided by weather, but this Pom isn’t gonna cry about it. We all know the rules going in.
To say Bazball doesn’t work is crazy. Look at our record since McCullen has come in. Entertaining cricket and only 3 losses, 2 in this series that with better catching we’d have won.
I’m obviously disappointed we’re not going to win the Ashes, but I’d much rather watch this brand of cricket Trevor Baylis or Chris bloody Silverwood.
In finishing, congratulations on retaining, you’ve come over here and played some great stuff the opening 2 Tests. The third test we got the rub of the green with conditions. You got them this Test. That’s cricket. Looking forward to the Oval tomorrow
I think you need to have strategies for each team you play against - and each ground you play at. Try playing Bazball at the MCG and see how you go. This series has been excellent and I have certainly been glued to the tv.
@@allanbriggs807 I think it’ll be a very different England (and Australia) team next series down under.
We’ll be without Broad and Anderson. Ali will have retired by then. Woods ankle is always a concern. Genuinely haven’t a clue who our bowling attack will be when that comes around.
Smith and Warner will be gone, so no pantomime villains for the barmy army to boo. I can see high scoring games all round. Wether we can take 20 wickets remains to be seen. I’m a lot more optimistic about the future of English than I was this time last year. We’re white ball kings (both formats) and improving massively in the Test arena. Despite the Ashes staying in Oz we’re in a pretty good place
Right, bazball is the issue. Remind me what England’s record was for the preceding 2 years before they started bazball and what the record is since? They have by and large matched the Aussies across the entire series and somehow these panelists think they need to scrap this method? Without rain, it would be 2-2. Move on.
I don't think people are saying bazball is bad in itself. It has a place. However it will only work on flat wickets (small grounds also help) BTW - Australia's tactics were terrible.
They have matched an Australian side playing well below their best, who have lost every toss, had the worst of the conditions in the first 3 tests and whose top spinner went down injured in the first innings of the 2nd test. Without these things it would be 4-0, maybe 3-1. England's ego has been their downfall, and they still don't get it.
Bazball is only sustainable on specific pitches, hence why England has produced flat wickets for the series. It'll struggle in India and in Australia, and they already drew in NZ this year while playing it.
Skull, I love your analysis and your humour buddy, and I live over the other side of the ditch, lol. I watched you bowl live in Hamilton in 1974 (you got 4/18, but I got Doug Walters' autograph). But now I'm afraid you and I are among the last of a dying breed. The days of the nuanced battle between bat and ball are coming to an end. There are a number of problems that just will not go away. Firstly, the batters' bats are now a whole lot bigger but the bowlers' balls are not. The fielding side are at a disadvantage because the PC mob have denied them a third man. The pitches are flatter and better protected and maintained, and the boundaries are shorter. Top edges and mishits that would previously be caught are soaring for 6s. ODIs and T20s have reduced bowlers' role to cannon fodder, pace bowlers' best delivery is a yorker just inside the off side wide zone, to prevent a hoick over mid wicket or a ramp. Stumps are there now just to give the umpires something to do because the TV dude makes all of the important decisions. It's nearly all over for us mate. Almost time to hang up our bats, our helmets, and if we can locate where we last used them, our balls. And oh yes, tell the wife she can have her temporary book-end back for good. Cheers.
Gold Medal for the Poms for whinging hands down 👍
I am loving the leaders in the AU team. Cummins is amazing, Mitch Marsh is a great back up!
Well done Aussie! Love it
I saw Kerry play in that '77 series at Old Trafford, he spent most of the game looking out of binoculars at girls in the crowd from the players balcony which was in the old pavilion. As for his bowling, match return of 2-139 as Eng cantered home by 9 wkts. You could write what he knows about playing in English conditions on the back of stamp. If you'd folded it in half first.
Loll
From memory that was the series where Sir Geoffrey made his famous return scoring his 99th and then 100th first class centuries, the latter in front of his home crowd in Headingley. As one Yorkshireman was quick to point out, the three greatest opening batters of all time all played for Yorkshire, and none had a middle name.
England fan here. I think the truth is that England's "bazball" is a poor, and almost cartoonish, reflection of the current obsession with one day cricket. Bazball is just that; entertaining, bums on and in seats, glitz, fast. But it'll never win the Ashes. This much we knew after the disaster in Australia last year. Nothing has been learned. An overeliance on Stokes, Bairstow, an ageing Anderson and Broad simply won't do. There is no strength in depth in UK cricket, and it's perhaps not surprising that against this background we learn, as if we didn't know, that its selectors and organisers are very middle class, very prejudiced, very out of touch. And our whole game reflects this.....
Bazball was smashed. Hmmmm. I;ve never seen an Aussie team so unAussie in the way it's gone about things in over 50 years of watching them. They;ve basically turned up and dined off England's mistakes for 2 test matches then realised they can;t compete with Bazball for the next 2 and smiled with relief like giddy children that the weather saved them. I know a lot of Aussies having lived over there for years and know any true Aussie won't be convinced by this result UNLESS they deliver a sound thrashing at the Oval.
Australia were smart. They were bowling rubbish to England somewhat intentionally, which made the Poms to want to just bat and bat and bat, basically letting their ego take hold and lose track of the game...meanwhile in the Australians heads they are thinking 'we aren't even going to attempt to chase this regardless of the score, if we keep bowling to these clowns they way they want it, it will chew up more and more time'...and look what happened. No match awareness by Stokes or 'Baz'. Too eager to 'pummel Australia' and pump up thier egos and give crab Jonny a 100 to make himself feel good... Cost them in the end. Go Australia.
I think you're giving us a bit too much credit. They weren't bowling rubbish intentionally. The Aussies should have leveraged their starts better and scored more and Stokes should have declared.
@@DaschonelleMusic Yeah probably, it's a good theory in my head though 😂
That's a little too positive. Australia have shown very poor tactics in the field. Poor field settings and strange tactics (to say the least) Let's hope that Cummins learns from this.
@@allanbriggs807 Yep, agreed. Perhaps abit too much fantasy in there from me, but yeah, I couldn't come to any other logical conclusion based off the evidence of the poor bowling, woeful field placements and Englands lack of urgency to push the game along (despite their run rate).
@@allanbriggs807 the poor tactics were all intentional. Stokes got mindfuck by cummins. Watch australia pummel england in the 5th test. It be a walk in the park. 😀😀
As an Aussie my thoughts are basically Bazball can be a weapon but it's reliant on the pitches built to spec and the famously reliable English weather. That said Australia did get lucky, Warner, Smudge and Cummins need to go. At the very least we need a new Captain.
Sorry Skull, Steve Smith is the best option for Captain.
I agree
Yeah for short term, I tend to agree.. But for long term he would be a questionable choice
lucky for Australia the English ordered flat pitches
...the Aussies lost every toss, which would have otherwise been decisive in the series
They chose to bowl first most of the time, unlikely Australia would've bowled first if they won the toss. It's a bit overstated, probably wouldve ended up the same anyway
I feel sorry for Kerry O'Keefe as a Cricket commentator and expert!
Hang on so the Australian crowds are really nice to the English players ?
They won't be anymore
The nerv of English pundits to carry on with 1st the Bairstow incident and now the "we deserve to win" is so unbelievable and hypocritical it's hilarious.
But listening to these guys bag English crowds for being to harsh and not original takes the cake! We in Australia are a disgrace and the most unoriginal lot of all.
Does anyone have an unbiased thought in their brains??
About 1/8th as bad. The jingoism is England is next level. Don’t get it.
Of all the things that happened this test series. The Ashes series in Australia will be a different one. I think the English players won’t be able to get off the bus.
Australia biggest moaners in world sport just behind South Africa, Australia got away with it and see second best here
So kind for him to feel sorry for England cricket fans for Bazball. When will England learn the best and most entertaining way to play cricket is to run out batters between overs?😂
Aussies are massively scared of England. They admitted pre-match they were hoping for rain.
They've been clueless at times in this series - bat & ball. England threw away a lot of wickets in the first & second Tests by trying to score quick enough to avoid draws against a negative Aussie side.
The constant whining about losing Lyon, yet England played a whole series without Leach & Archer. Stokes could barely bowl. Wood, Woakes & Anderson just returned from injuries & Ali had to come out of retirement!
And yet the Aussies only won on a technicality as the games couldn't be completed.
Yeah, massively scared 🙄
"I feel sorry for English cricket if England wins". Yeah...no. The style of English cricket has got everyone talking in the UK. Compared to where England were under the back end of Root's captaincy, it's a complete revolution. Bazball ain't perfect, Stokes ain't infallible, England probably ain't better than Australia. But England are playing good cricket against the best team in the world, and that's something. As for the captains, Cummins seems to me a bit like Alastair Cook or Joe Root was for England: company man, clean-living, statesman, champion player but tactically uninspired. There were no alternatives. England won games in spite of Cook's captaincy, and it's the same for Australia. With that bowling attack, keeper and those three or four batters (Smith, Marnus, Head, Khawaja), you'll win a heck of a lot of games irrespective of the captain
But that doesn't mean we need to go on as usual. When this series is over Cummins needs to spend some time understanding tactics. At the moment he is a poor tactician (not just in the 4th test either)
Kerry England record under Stokes and Mccullum is played 17 won 12 lost 4 drew 1(which we would have won because of the weather) So results do matter and we are getting them
Australia play against two countries
The Ashes
Australia vs England and Wales
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AND New Zealand!!!
@@kooki11by that logic then you could put Pakistan and South Africa on the side of Australia.
@@emmanueljackson1889wasn’t disputing that at all. Was just trying to make sure that your man’s logic was applied in the same way.
Is "Bazball" bad for English cricket? Possibly .... depends on how it's evolving, and it is evolving. Is Bazball bad for Australian cricket in future? On the current evidence, highly likely. Australians don't like bold strategies from England in general. Bazball is a perfect peg for social comment in general to hang the general criticism of this approach on without recognizing the evolution that has already taken plan. As an Englishmen, I love the criticism from Australia from this - it fuels hope they're not looking where it matters, don't be surprised if you lose a succession of Ashes series in general.
Hilarious. How Aussies can spin regaining the ashes because of rain, as a convincing win and a vindication of their boomer cricket is world class!!
2-1 sunshine. 'Boomer cricket' 😭
No rain its 2-2 and aussies under all sorts of pressure. I hope england keeps playing this way and i disagree it works only on flat pitches. I think the more you attack on green tops the better mindset you'll be in. Bazball is "front foot" test cricket. Its not just swinging your bat wildly, its attacking field setting, brave declarations its what test cricket needs to be honest. Just look how flustered Australia was on the first day of the first test. Long live bazball lol
@@dwblurb whats the score sunshine??
I don't know that Vaughan was "looking for a headline". To be fair, he did iterate quite strongly that he didn't know where that information was coming from. It looked to me like he was just repeating what he'd heard but it certainly didn't carry any weight as far as his own opinion was concerned. He doesn't believe that himself. And nor, it seems, does anyone else.
You'd think that if anyone knew what David Warner's plans were it would be Candace and she rubbished that straight away. Vaughan is a good analyst and commentator, we should afford him more respect than that.
I mean he's incredibly wrong, just because they didn't execute it correctly in the 1st 2 tests doesnt mean bazball doesn't work
As an Australian I sincerely hope that English cricket maintain their delusions and I look forward to them celebrating more successful series like this 😂
@@carlredfern8067 delusions? It was just proven it works
Whinging poms up until the umpire changes the ball and then the aussis dont stop whinging.
Bad for England on long run but future of test cricket... First time watching and following test cricket in my life as a big MotoGP fan between that Jack Miller is doing a great job on KTM...
Cricket was fine. You should've been watching already. The last Ashes series in England was 2-2, with a couple of epic matches.
@@mikespearwood3914 this one is the best I've been watching because who else will get bored after watching Johnny's 99* knock... But who might've thought about Crowley's 150+ at that pace... 3 days of play and Australia already lost 99% is why I watched... First match Australia was already playing for draw and it was ridiculous... This series is going to be remembered for ages just because of Bazball not because of Australia or maybe but you know for what...
@@salttea8926 Australia is leading 2-1 after four tests. What on earth are you on about??!!
@@salttea8926 Bazball was flopping & ridicule was immenent. Third and Fourth Tests had wickets prepared for the Bazball strategy and team changes. Karma is a real thing and was reflected in the recent Drawn Test and Krusty Bairstow being isolated on 99 n.o. It is what it is 😂.
What about the Lawrence Bros in the AMA Motocross.
I don't know what Kerry O'Keefe was watching. Yes with home ground advantage. Bazball by England almost toppled Australia. I think Australia is very lucky to get out of the series a draw. The English rain which always played a part saved Australia's blushes. I am neutral by the way I just like watching good cricket and England played some good cricket so did Australia in this series. However it remains to be seen if Bazball works in Australian conditions when they go their next 2 and 1/2 years. But in English conditions Bazball is definitely a winner.
Ye taking the game forward and trying to force a result is bad for cricket. 0-2 up and u f*ck it up
“Your not captain anymore” 😂
Typical gutless Poms...
Bazzball - we're great - we can't lose. Loving the late Pommy whingers leaving comments now. LOL. That's why England are so great at losing.
We mock cheats. Sandpaper ring any bells?
I have tons of respect for players like Travis Head, Mitchell Marsh, Nathan Lyon. Do the crime you do the time. Simple as that. Maybe don’t hero worship cheats?
Australia banned the ball tamperer and his captains for a year.
England gave the Murray Mint ball tamperers knighthoods.
@@wozt3257 That's correct.
I’ll have to lookup the Harlem Grobetrotters..sound like a fun bunch.
Sorry Candice but as an aussie I'd rather see a headline from Vaughny who knows how to engage professionally in the sport of cricket.
Rain affects play. If you don’t want it to, find the tap? Aussie crowds can be over the top, can’t they??
Do the English know what the Ashes look like? Its a long time since they have seen them, let alone feel them!
do the aussies know what its like to win an away ashes tour? been a long time since theyve done that
@@matthewdix9576 wait till next week
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They do know about winning an away test atleast unlike England who are used to 5-0 scorelines in Australia 😂
@@nitlover8319 when was the last time you boys won in England? Remind me
@@nitlover8319 Can you tell me how it feels to hold the T20 and One day world cups at the same time??? lmao
Christ the irony at the Australians throwing the toys out of the pram at any word that comes out of an Englishman's mouth and then saying that we're the ones whining.
Yeah there has been tons of whining from the England camp but the hypocrisy and hysteria at even the most innocuous comments is honestly pretty hilarious
Gee you've downplayed that. It's actually a disgrace how some (not all) of English fans and writers have carried on.
@@chrisbuesnell3428 I literally said there's been tons of whining. The thing is you know Australia would have acted the same way if not worse if the shoe was on the other foot.
Like the bairstow stumping, the Australians seem to have conveniently forgotten their reaction to Broad not walking. He received far worse abuse than anything this tour and it continued all the way to the next ashes tour.
It will never not be funny watching the Australians getting their knickers in a twist at every tiny comment given their history of having a team filled with total wankers. Can give it but can't take it it seems.
Just like the English…
@@amayesingnathan
I disagree.
Say it was in Australia. Narrow loss at Brisbane. Narrow loss in Perth (our fault). Win in Adelaide. Then rained out on Melbourne. So england retains ashes with a dead rubber in sydney. Press and supporters would look at the team and the tactics. Rightly. Wouldn't blame the other team. Saying bullshit not deserved etc. The problem is england and it's supporters. It's a cult. And the behaviour is beyond a joke. Stokes comments after 2nd test were not factually correct. ( I won't call him a liar). So no. It wouldn't be the same in Australia.
Re broad not walking. Well that's up to him. You don't have to walk. But what happened there was an obvious out. He wrong footed the umpire. He was not abused in england.The next series was the first chance Australian fans got to react. It was in no way far worse. Not even close. In addition the abuse has gone beyond the players.
But in Australia no one boos opposing teams on milestones. Eg Smith. Labashange etc. That's new. And it's not on.
Lastly the behaviour in the so called long room. That would not pass here in blacktown rsl at closing time. Just wouldn't.
I honestly think you don't really know what your talking about. I on the other hand do.
Another Pom in Praise. It hurts to lose The Ashes. It took for me backpacking across that wonderful country to see just how much we do whinge. And we do. Gold medal assured as Skull says. Long may fair play continue so we can enjoy this in defeat. I'd fight like the devil for The Ashes; then I'll do the same for Australia. We owe you much.
When Labuschagne hit 9 runs off 80 balls earlier today, Michael vaughan called it Snoozeball..
2-2 all was the final score. Just a bit of comfort for Australia, you did not lose two matches. On the other hand, you did not win two either. England won two and lost two. You were merely the extras cast in the making of a good movie. Australia did nothing but react to and try to keep up with the show. It was cricket without adventure, leadership or direction and deserves little more than a footnote in the credits.
How did the English crowd go from the best crowd to the worst crowd so quickly?
These crowds seem like football fans, with no football to watch,
England cricket fans have always been like this, it’s all light hearted chanting, they’re nothing like football fans which are nowhere near a light hearted and much more aggressive at European games. Don’t be silly
In 10 years time when we're playing exciting 4 day tests because the whole cricketing world will adapt and play 'bazball'...... you can thank England for saving test cricket!
Will you be able to play so called bazeball in indian subcontinent or across the world think about it 🙂
Australia: 5 tests - won 3 lost 1 draw 1. Not a bad return for an undeserving winner.
They really don’t get it do they , you’ll be telling us next Ian Chappell is a nice fella !
I’ll play this Stokes though , thanks
Please don't take Piers as spokesperson for Britain let alone English Cricket fans.
I think, over the five tests, seeing the fifth test, England have been a bit better for sure. But the so-called bazball, well, very aggressive exciting batting, but stupid to declare in the first test match. Call me a bit of a party pooper, but I still prefer a lot of the old traditional test cricket.
O'Keefe's always quick with a joke but he identified what is truly relevant in saying this:
"I want to play hard-nosed, five-day test cricket for my country."
Sorry KOK......you are wrong here....watch this space. The POMs made adjustments....they will get the idea......put me on your show
I noticed Candace doesn't shirk the opportunity to put the boots into Mitch Johnson.
I wish someone could actually describe this Bazball in any meaningful way? Seems like someone said it and the sheep started bleating it.
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Don't talk to Candace about any David Warner related news. You know it's coming from a very biased position. Not really seeing the bigger picture. David should have retired a while ago. It's not really up to him when he retires if he's form is terrible that's the selectors job.
Bazball won't work for an english side in Australian conditions.
In all honesty after the rain delay and end to the 4th test and the dead rubber of the upcoming 5th test (will still watch!) I’m looking at this series a whole as the first 3 tests.. at the least that’s what I’ll remember.. a tense and well fought 2-1 Aussie triumph.. I ❤ Cummins.. over Warner but I’ll miss Smith and Lyon great statesman and players .. enjoying Marsh.. great cricket and I’ll NEVER forget Carey’s amazing Bairstow stumping forever! Cheers Australian cricket team everything else is icing
Sandpaper smith a great statesman🤔
@@natashajones3206 I feel he earned his redemption just my own opinion
Everyone would be competing for the silver😂😂😂😂😂 beautiful
It’s bad now so I guess it would be bad in the long run!
England genuinely living so rent free in Aussies heads
Australia retain the Ashes in front of zero spectators. Bazball may or may not be the future but it will bring crowds to the game. Australia just about deserved to retain the Ashes but no more.
Bazball won anyway. From 2-nil down to come back in the series which either Bradman or Bazball can do.
The Ashes according to Australia... Bazball is entertaining, test cricket is dying... Wake up Australia!
The Aussies would have lost the Ashes if the 4th test hadn’t been effected by the rain. England was the better team overall
No one is bashing the door down in Australia to take Warners opening spot, same as Smithys spot at 4. I think they play another year or so at least. Young blokes coming up need to grab the spots with both hands and aren't.
It is the absolute worst argument to make . Marnus was averaging 30 in shield cricket now he is one of the best test batsman they need a chance renshaw is first in line .
As for smith he can go as long as he wants he has made 2 hundreds in 10 innings this series he is a top batsman. Warner is averaging 20 for a few years now
@@danielkelly4487hahaha renshaw is the biggest flog out there way worst then Warner
No one's had a chance
@@chriscoyne4827 averaging mid 40s . Has a few test hundreds already . Got a few against a nz tour series last year . Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about
@@danielkelly4487 you serious going to go there what did he do Australia vs India. NZ has a weak blowing line up anyone can get runs off them. Average mid 40s yeah against no player's in the sheild big difference coming up towards quality bowling. Get off the drugs please
this is embarassing