Materialism sent us to a horrible dark age that we never truly left not even after the Renaissance. Luckily people like Donald Hoffman, Tom Cheetham, Eben Alexander, and Bernardo Kastrup are lights leading us out the cave
I came to Corbin through Jung, who wrote about Corbin before Hillman did, by the way. Jung declared after a long talk with Corbin that he and his psychology had never been so well understood before. Thank you for this interview with Tom Cheetham.....he is such a vivacious, fascinating speaker with an incredibly far-ranging intelligence. His work on Corbin is so valuable.
Coming back to add that outside of Kastrup’s interview on TOE this discussion reunited and ignited worlds inside of me as an ex materialist but life long closeted idealist with a deep love of science and a hope for humanity inside our destructive systems. I’ve read many of the authors Cheetham references but not all and have my year ahead cut out for me. Brilliant interviewer as well - she added excellent points.
For those who are not patien enough to watch full video, check this summary: Imagination and the imaginal realm are crucial for understanding reality and the sacred, as explored by Tom Cheetham. Highlights: - Imagination is the realm where reality and fantasy intertwine, revealing deep truths 🌌 - The imaginal is a space where encounters with the divine occur, blurring physical and metaphysical boundaries 🌟 - It is a realm of creativity, transformation, and transcendence 🎨 - Tom advocates for a shift away from Western materialism towards a deeper understanding of existence 🔄 - Capitalism’s impact on the environment and society calls for a reevaluation of values 💰 - Tom’s work draws from diverse influences like Corban, Hillman, and Steiner 📚 - His perspective encourages a reconnection with the wonder of existence and a deeper engagement with the imagination 🌈 Key Insights: - Imagination is not just a form of cognition, but a space where the sacred and mundane coexist, revealing the deepest truths of existence 🧠 - The imaginal is essential for understanding the world and our place within it, serving as a bridge between the personal and collective realms 🌐 - Tom’s critique of Western materialism and call for reevaluating values highlight the need for alternative ways of flourishing in society 💭 - Drawing from diverse influences, Tom’s work offers insights into Corban’s ideas and his own philosophical journey 📖 - Embracing the imaginal realm can lead to a deeper connection with the divine, fostering creativity, transformation, and transcendence 🌌 - Tom’s emphasis on the importance of imagination invites a shift towards a more holistic understanding of reality and existence 🔄 - The imaginal realm offers a space for honoring individual experiences of the sacred and exploring the richness of lived experience 🌟
The personal testament of a man in his 70s (much smarter and more accomplished than I’ll ever be) saying things that I feel, but regularly second guess, is refreshingly reassuring. One of my favorite Essentia (even YT) interviews. Thank you for (professionally) producing this.
Wonderful show. I love Tom's excitement in the ontology. I have similar views and excitement in these subjects. I remember my stomach having butterflies when I discovered Don Hoffman. This talk reminds me of the reality shifting at that time.
I enjoyed this a lot and had read 'All the World an Icon' previously. I agree with Natalia, we needn't abandon the emanationist cosmology of Corbin & Ib Arabi, it's still the truest description of reality to me. Jonathan Pageau does a good job of relating with how we interface with reality and how it presents itself through us in a hierarchical manner in his iconography. That said I like how Tom is a fundamentalist about his own experience and really appreciate his work.
Elijah has returned, as prophesied, and testifies: Actually, EXPERIENCE is the only portal to Reality, which is beyond our ability to even begin to imagine. But imagination DOES invite the portal to open, so long as the imagination doesn't try to dictate Reality, which is the common problem! See my comment on this video for more...
Yes. We don't need to exaggerate. Imagination is limited to experience. Everything we imagine is dependent on what we have experienced. Every shape and color that we mix and match in our imagination, to build new things, is only because we have experience with all the different parts individually. Whether its a mushy ball of mud, or a solid steel pole. We can imagine the mud ball on a pole and make a fake "lollipop." It's exaggerated in how large we want to imagine such a thing. But its still speaking, exaggerated or not
@@a.m.7438 Cue American rhetorical against China. Is it exaggeration? Oh that's right, the entire spiel is made up propaganda, cheaper than the most useless of Soviet propaganda
I just found a place in dream that I’ve not been to in a while. It always appears through a break in tree cover. It’s a castle or huge ominous gothic building that feels magical to me. I always get so elevated when I stumble upon it! Last night as it appeared I broke down in tears and woke sobbing. I’ve not gone inside this place for a few years, I’ve been depressed and unhappy in my waking life.
funny, this popped up just as I was in the middle of Federico Campagna‘s „Technic and Magic“ -also full of interpretations of Islamic mysticism, where I saw the name Henry Corbin for the first time. His take also seems (to me) to be going towards the ‘everything is imagination‘ perspective. I didn’t know of Tom before but so much of what he’s saying (including elements from his personal story) resonates. Different books/catalysts but very similar experience. Thank you Natalia for the beautiful interview:)
" I feel like a three year old" great awareness.. ..."And the children shall lead them"... Unless you become like a little child, you are unable to KNOW.. Simplicity, serendipity, Child language is poetry, song, dance, story..imaginative: Daily life story, nature story,fantasy story, healing story..' everyone has a story to tell... Sense of wonder 💟 just listening to your enthusiastic way to make Known authentic Presence ☝️
Wow wow wow. I fell deeply in love with biology and science at 15. I became enchanted and then came across the contempt my teachers and professors had for LeMarck… and it broke my heart. It wasn’t that his ideas were correct as in the way it was dismissed. I could not get on board. I went into the social sciences and was in time seduced by the rational- materialist model… but I was dating a physicist doing his PHD at Cal when I witnessed his own dark days after an experiment relating to consciousness impacting odds was summarily shut down. Anyway, I’m less than 3 minutes into this and this man’s words and TONE of awe is exactly why I subbed to Kastrup/essentia. For the past 6 months I’ve enjoyed exploring these ideas immensely - witnessing the transformation of my whole life by giving my imagination a role in my psyche again. As a kid my mantra was “I am”! Which would flood me with bliss. I thought everyone knew about it - imagine my heartbreak and embarrassment to find out that was not the case. Thank you again for producing this content.
[02:03:30] - (Regarding question of) “why materialist ideology is destroying the world. … and there isn’t a simple answer … there’s not one primary place to push … to make them stop” After my own 20 years of pondering, I *do* believe there is a one-button solution: de-legitimize the profit motive. Then watch 95% of human-caused problems - greed, exploitation, inequality, environmental destruction, wars for control of people or resources, crime, hopelessness, addictions, domestic violence and other psychiatric problems - largely dissipate. If imagination is the ground of all experienced being, let’s imagine a different system for organizing human society.
@@jenmdawgNeville comes from a very fundamental level so it’s hard to grasp as not lunacy until you make your way down to that level of understanding metaphysics/consciousness.
@@jenmdawg I also felt very unsure about Neville when I first heard about him many man years ago, but after deep diving into his work it’s safe to say he changed my life.
Such a lively and enlightening conversation! Seems like we're missing an ordinary word in English to express the agentic use of imagination in groups. If imagination is private experience, then maybe convernation (or some such) is that experience shared, and built upon. Spoken accent maybe has this quality whereby collaborative intention yields emotive mirroring and consequences when aggregated such as regional, or social, or national etc. accent. Convernation (or some such) then signifies elective psychological mass formation, repleat with means of signalling ones adoption of the mental model, such as accent. When I'm back home in Cork, I'll allow the melody back in my speaking voice because I feel at home to do so. Outside of Cork the accent fades, and without my effort, it seems. Here online though I'm local, like you. So my accent is, hopefully, respectful. Because that's what feels at home to do in this space.
Hindu Sat, Chit, Ananda made clear here. In opposition to thousands of comments that can be reified: sat, the being itself, and chit, the consciousness itself, but still not illuminating Ananda in western rationalistic mind, the first two are forced into periphery and in fact to disappear completely. Ananda is seen as anti-reified and present womb of the basic space of phenomena without losing the point of it. The trinity is the aspect of oneness. Wonderful.
"Reality is an illusion, albeit a very convincing one";Einstein. Consciousness produces the illusion of humans with brains and everything else in our seemingly physical reality.
Tell Tom to check out Dr. Wolfgang Smith on quantum physics necessitating a tri-partite, Platonic reality, and therefore a reality that must needs be permeated by soul. Thanks for the conversation. Blessings
BTW: I had an meditation experience in which an extradimensional being brought me to what he called the point zero. A bright dot of light surrounded by moving black and grey moving energy. He said: all there is that point of light. All the rest is IMAGINATION.😅 I am still trying to figure it out. Welcome to the crazy world of anomalous experiences. It’s daunting, but it’s fun.
Elijah has returned, as prophesied, and testifies: I visited Brazil in 1976 (US Navy) and Rio is a fond memory. Paradigm shift, indeed: to align with absolute Truth - which is "GOOD NEWS" beyond our ability to even imagine! See my comment elsewhere on this video. And know that all mysteries have been revealed, for those who seek Truth. That's how I got this job! (See Revelation Chapter 11.)
A whole-of-life perspective on how we adapt our innate imagination into the imaginal realm we 'label' mind, does bring a reality-wise sense of our communication biased consciousness, and the unwitting way we fall in love with the feeling of the abstract being real. 1. For the conscious sense-of-certainty we need to function within an inherently uncertain world. 2. For the cooperation needs of survival that forces us to create the reification-fallacy of a consensus-reality, abstracted, version of reality. While the elephant in the room of 21st-century humanity is undoubtedly the semi-conscious nature of our every behavior. A reality of being human that can be realized with one word questions of How? How do I walk and talk? How is my every behavior subconsciously synchronized by my nervous system?
This is great. I think reductionist materialism is a dominant view mainly because it supports the current socio/political economic system, and having the establishment move away from this could truly be disruptive. I do not hold a materialist view and I'm more aligned with the speakers in this video, but I even fear how much chaos could occur if we as a society totally dived into what they are talking about. Maybe it would be a much better world in the long term, but it could also get very chaotic.
26:45 is where I have to get off. Some people, through imagination, create "real" beings. But only certain mystics can perceive these real beings. I agree that our rational, logical thought needs to be balanced by a sort of imagination that can't be contained in the structures and processes we use to "apprehend" the world, in the words of Iain McGilchrist. But this sounds more like a fantasy than an act of creative imagination.
The Truth will only be known when everything had been said and everything had been done. The voice in your head is a cultural construct. just a figment of our imagination.
Each person’s consciousness is both unique and universal. Each person’s path is both unique and universal. Each person’s greatest challenge in life is grasping the truth that there is no Other It’s not mad or egotistical To fall for solipsistically Orchestrated reveries Attuned to authenticity That’s how we grow Into ourselves Uniquely so As no one else One-in-All Each me becomes The moment each me’s All-in-One From the song “Who Do You Think You Are” From the musical Narcissist! Whose Muse is Not Amused by J.Mills
2:51 science gives us what we can observe to be true in the moment. It describes and observes. It doesn't make absolute claims for anything. It can only say, "based on how we tested this theory, we can conclude the outcome is Z" and that can be copied and repeated. Because what is true can be repeated over and over.
All realities are imagined, including this one. Realities are virtual, mental constructs, or from a child's perspective... pretending. The ONLY thing that's real is US and WE cannot be defined, everything else is imagined by US. Our mind is the builder or "intelligent artificer" (AI) that turns thought (nothing) into thought forms (something). To surmise, and worse yet teach that it works the other way around, borders on insanity. The reason Einstein said "Imagination is more important than intellect" is because our intellect only ever tells us what ISN'T possible, while our imagination tells us what IS possible. What we've been led to believe is "real life" is neither real, nor life. You absolutely cannot discover or prove this using your intellect, it MUST come thru your intuition. The problem there is, our intellect murders our intuition at a very early age... Cain killing Abel. The more educated (adulterated) we become, the worse it gets. Academics always have to pretend they know what they can't even begin to understand, because that's just how our intellect works. It's a servant we've allowed to become our master. Richard Feynman said it best... "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" :)
Mundus Imago Dei The World Is the image of God. “The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine!” J.B.S. Haldane
Simply put: Subjective vs Objective reality! The 1st is Conciousness / the 2nd is Science. They don't commute, though there are efforts towards... But for the moment... nope!
Yes they do the theoretical framework is being developed by Bernardo Kastrup in philosophy / AI science and Donald Hoffman in neuroscience plus Dean Radin in psi science and Mario Beauregard in mind-brain theory.
Thank you for this. You have set me potentially on a more fulfilled life. I feel I have been in that “Whishy Washy” thinking. I might ask myself what happens when I die? Well my atoms will go off and be a tree and that will be nice. Conservation of Energy kind of thing. I and been privately searching for a philosophy and religion until I was about 37 still asking the same questions. What happens when I die? TRIGGER WARNING FOR DEATH! Then I did. I died. Not permanently, however at the time I Ws very angry about being brought back. It was an Opiate Overdose. All prescribed and the dosage was printed wrong, or I got the wrong bottle, or I necked them who cares? The main point is it was unintentional. Now I know what happens when I die. I did not know that iw how truly afraid it death I was until it happened. The best way of writing it here goes something like this. I did not get the Heaven is was promised, I got the Heaven I needed. If a rubbish human like me got what I got with no effort, I can't perceive what will happen next time as I'm putting effort in. I am a fence sitter. I do wonder if its usful or painful to hold many beliefs at once? Thank you for this new area to explore x
I CG Jenkins recieved a present 5th july 2004 and encountered CGJUNG well i was uneducated so i just opened up the door Shit i closed it pretty qwick, gesus i heard a ROAR i think GCAT switched on i pray 🍀💚💭
There is no such thing as mind. There are ideas and some of them are wrong. Abandon the wrong ideas, for they are wrong and obstruct your vision of yourself. Assertions are usually wrong, and denials right. Only by denying can one live. Assertion is bondage. To question and deny is necessary. It is the essence of revolt and without revolt there can be no freedom. - Nisargadatta
Bro brought out Terrence McKennas signature line. "The world is stranger then we can suppose" now I'm not gonna put it past him getting that elsewhere himself, my guess is that was probably something whitehead said, there was a lot of terminology and concepts Terrence used that were 1:1 whitehead ideas. But still, if your reading and quoting whitehead your in a good place imo... that also means I'm gonna listen to this whole thing now. The imagination is where everything is.
This would be appear to be old news in eastern thought and new news to the west if I am correct? The Kybalion for example And what are your thoughts ( anyone) about Walter Russell The secret of light which also postulates these things And if you throw DonHoffman into this mix we find abstract idealism at its finest
It's not the job of science to give "truth." It offers a snapshot observation at A time and A place. When it can be repeated we have confidence in the data. How you interpret it is up to you.
We dont need wisdom and intelligence now due to the emergence of AI, We need more empathy and imagination because that is what seperates humans from AI
Hi I'm in Brazil now making and growing a flourishing plastic bottle eco Island on the river contas 28 km inland fro Itacare Bahia....I was doing the same thing in Mexico and lived on Islands I made for 20 years.... 😊 pls search plastic bottle floating Island.... twud be lovely to hear back from you...kindness from your friend Richart
Elijah has returned, as prophesied, and testifies: GOD is the Mind that is ALL. Therefore, GOD is YOUR Mind. And that Mind is limitless. But you aren't currently experiencing that Reality. You are experiencing the limited EGO mind, which the Bible calls the devil and satan. And you don't know why, but it's for very good reason. And we err to identify with that irrational mind...which is why, Truth be known, Yeshua One with Christ ("Jesus Christ") simply came to show us how to "overcome" that irrational idea so that we can return to our limitless state of Being. And all of this is beyond even the best imagination, but is readily available through an experience. Seek only this and do not let a closed mind and theology - or limited imagination - delay you! All mysteries have been unveiled and published in these "end times": the end of the old Cycle of Time that the New Cycle may be born. And if you seek you will find...
Materialism sent us to a horrible dark age that we never truly left not even after the Renaissance. Luckily people like Donald Hoffman, Tom Cheetham, Eben Alexander, and Bernardo Kastrup are lights leading us out the cave
Don't forget about Jason Breshears...
I came to Corbin through Jung, who wrote about Corbin before Hillman did, by the way. Jung declared after a long talk with Corbin that he and his psychology had never been so well understood before. Thank you for this interview with Tom Cheetham.....he is such a vivacious, fascinating speaker with an incredibly far-ranging intelligence.
His work on Corbin is so valuable.
I love this interviewer, she always does a great job!
Empathy is an easy pathway to a higher level of consciousness
And love.
Love does connect you to the universe
Its the real language of the universe
Coming back to add that outside of Kastrup’s interview on TOE this discussion reunited and ignited worlds inside of me as an ex materialist but life long closeted idealist with a deep love of science and a hope for humanity inside our destructive systems.
I’ve read many of the authors Cheetham references but not all and have my year ahead cut out for me.
Brilliant interviewer as well - she added excellent points.
For those who are not patien enough to watch full video, check this summary:
Imagination and the imaginal realm are crucial for understanding reality and the sacred, as explored by Tom Cheetham.
Highlights:
- Imagination is the realm where reality and fantasy intertwine, revealing deep truths 🌌
- The imaginal is a space where encounters with the divine occur, blurring physical and metaphysical boundaries 🌟
- It is a realm of creativity, transformation, and transcendence 🎨
- Tom advocates for a shift away from Western materialism towards a deeper understanding of existence 🔄
- Capitalism’s impact on the environment and society calls for a reevaluation of values 💰
- Tom’s work draws from diverse influences like Corban, Hillman, and Steiner 📚
- His perspective encourages a reconnection with the wonder of existence and a deeper engagement with the imagination 🌈
Key Insights:
- Imagination is not just a form of cognition, but a space where the sacred and mundane coexist, revealing the deepest truths of existence 🧠
- The imaginal is essential for understanding the world and our place within it, serving as a bridge between the personal and collective realms 🌐
- Tom’s critique of Western materialism and call for reevaluating values highlight the need for alternative ways of flourishing in society 💭
- Drawing from diverse influences, Tom’s work offers insights into Corban’s ideas and his own philosophical journey 📖
- Embracing the imaginal realm can lead to a deeper connection with the divine, fostering creativity, transformation, and transcendence 🌌
- Tom’s emphasis on the importance of imagination invites a shift towards a more holistic understanding of reality and existence 🔄
- The imaginal realm offers a space for honoring individual experiences of the sacred and exploring the richness of lived experience 🌟
You’re a lifesaver
Isn't technology beautiful? In wise hands, it's a great helper.
For those of you that have programmed yourselves to be dumber and dimmer than you could be...
Wow! Your smart !
Excellent! Indeed "our limit" is the limit of our imagination(s).
It takes a little while for Tom to pick up speed but once he's gained momentum - what an experience. Incredible view point and way of speaking
take one of his courses - it's a thrilling ride.
This guy cracks me up.
The personal testament of a man in his 70s (much smarter and more accomplished than I’ll ever be) saying things that I feel, but regularly second guess, is refreshingly reassuring.
One of my favorite Essentia (even YT) interviews.
Thank you for (professionally) producing this.
Wonderful show. I love Tom's excitement in the ontology. I have similar views and excitement in these subjects. I remember my stomach having butterflies when I discovered Don Hoffman. This talk reminds me of the reality shifting at that time.
He impressed me with his ability to return to topic after long segue.
I enjoyed this a lot and had read 'All the World an Icon' previously. I agree with Natalia, we needn't abandon the emanationist cosmology of Corbin & Ib Arabi, it's still the truest description of reality to me. Jonathan Pageau does a good job of relating with how we interface with reality and how it presents itself through us in a hierarchical manner in his iconography. That said I like how Tom is a fundamentalist about his own experience and really appreciate his work.
Imagination is the portal to Reality.
Elijah has returned, as prophesied, and testifies: Actually, EXPERIENCE is the only portal to Reality, which is beyond our ability to even begin to imagine. But imagination DOES invite the portal to open, so long as the imagination doesn't try to dictate Reality, which is the common problem! See my comment on this video for more...
Neville Goddard - the Kybalion and Walter Russell
Don’t Terence McKenna say something along these lines too?
Very refreshing and inspiring! Thank you for the interview 🙏
Yo wtf...this book saved my Soul as well😢😢😢😢 it is my favorite book ever. Omg
speaking of imagination and James Hillman, something he said that never left my mind was "if you aren't exaggerating, are you really speaking?"
Yes. We don't need to exaggerate. Imagination is limited to experience. Everything we imagine is dependent on what we have experienced. Every shape and color that we mix and match in our imagination, to build new things, is only because we have experience with all the different parts individually. Whether its a mushy ball of mud, or a solid steel pole. We can imagine the mud ball on a pole and make a fake "lollipop." It's exaggerated in how large we want to imagine such a thing. But its still speaking, exaggerated or not
@@a.m.7438 Cue American rhetorical against China. Is it exaggeration? Oh that's right, the entire spiel is made up propaganda, cheaper than the most useless of Soviet propaganda
Incredible discussion. Thanks so much!
I just found a place in dream that I’ve not been to in a while. It always appears through a break in tree cover. It’s a castle or huge ominous gothic building that feels magical to me. I always get so elevated when I stumble upon it! Last night as it appeared I broke down in tears and woke sobbing. I’ve not gone inside this place for a few years, I’ve been depressed and unhappy in my waking life.
"Introspection is the royal avenue to knowledge" - Bernardo Kastrup
"Philosophy begins in _wonder_ and ends in knowledge"
- Aristotle
“Yeah, well, that’s just … your opinion, man”
-The Dude
The Dude abides
Although Bernardo may have repeated it, the quote is from Carl Jung.
@@yogamac😂😂
Love this conversation. Playful and full of depth.
"Richness of being. . ." That says it all, to me. 🌻
Thank you Essentia Foundation, most appreciated. 🙃🙏🇿🇦💕
Well holy shit Tom Cheetham. What a magnificent stone you are to have stumbled on and overturned this fine Sunday! Wonderful.
You're a wizard Tom!
I'm not gonna be able to handle over two hours of digressions. I have a foot in both worlds, but I love a logical, well thought out line of thinking.
funny, this popped up just as I was in the middle of Federico Campagna‘s „Technic and Magic“ -also full of interpretations of Islamic mysticism, where I saw the name Henry Corbin for the first time. His take also seems (to me) to be going towards the ‘everything is imagination‘ perspective. I didn’t know of Tom before but so much of what he’s saying (including elements from his personal story) resonates. Different books/catalysts but very similar experience. Thank you Natalia for the beautiful interview:)
My pleasure, so glad it resonated and pooped up at the right time. I love synchronicities :) And kudos to Tom.
"Keep precious things inside of you", said the emissary to their master.
" I feel like a three year old" great awareness..
..."And the children shall lead them"...
Unless you become like a little child, you are unable to KNOW..
Simplicity, serendipity,
Child language is poetry, song, dance, story..imaginative:
Daily life story, nature story,fantasy story, healing story..' everyone has a story to tell...
Sense of wonder 💟 just listening to your enthusiastic way to make Known authentic Presence ☝️
Brilliant!
Can’t wait for part two
Hillman was a revelatory experience for me as well, who I discovered after reading Thomas Moore.
For me as well. Jung and Hillman. ❤
Dream it, feel it, do it.
Wow wow wow.
I fell deeply in love with biology and science at 15. I became enchanted and then came across the contempt my teachers and professors had for LeMarck… and it broke my heart. It wasn’t that his ideas were correct as in the way it was dismissed. I could not get on board.
I went into the social sciences and was in time seduced by the rational- materialist model… but I was dating a physicist doing his PHD at Cal when I witnessed his own dark days after an experiment relating to consciousness impacting odds was summarily shut down.
Anyway, I’m less than 3 minutes into this and this man’s words and TONE of awe is exactly why I subbed to Kastrup/essentia.
For the past 6 months I’ve enjoyed exploring these ideas immensely - witnessing the transformation of my whole life by giving my imagination a role in my psyche again. As a kid my mantra was “I am”! Which would flood me with bliss. I thought everyone knew about it - imagine my heartbreak and embarrassment to find out that was not the case.
Thank you again for producing this content.
I am thoroughly enjoying this. Just wanted to say hi🎉
Meaning is a domain, an ocean full of life, form and formless like our fundamental nature. We share this quality
[02:03:30] - (Regarding question of) “why materialist ideology is destroying the world. … and there isn’t a simple answer … there’s not one primary place to push … to make them stop” After my own 20 years of pondering, I *do* believe there is a one-button solution: de-legitimize the profit motive. Then watch 95% of human-caused problems - greed, exploitation, inequality, environmental destruction, wars for control of people or resources, crime, hopelessness, addictions, domestic violence and other psychiatric problems - largely dissipate.
If imagination is the ground of all experienced being, let’s imagine a different system for organizing human society.
The joy of living knowledge appearing
Presencing
I also highly recommend Neville Goddard's teachings about the imagination. 🌅✨️💛
Going to second this. I dismissed him as a quack until I dove in and I’m blown away by the results.
@@jenmdawgNeville comes from a very fundamental level so it’s hard to grasp as not lunacy until you make your way down to that level of understanding metaphysics/consciousness.
@@jenmdawg I also felt very unsure about Neville when I first heard about him many man years ago, but after deep diving into his work it’s safe to say he changed my life.
@@DavidDavoDavidson very true 😊
Neville changed my life
Purposely done to keep us dumb and ignorant.
Oh this is well produced and I’m excited to listen. Nice weaving in the music so fluidly!
Credits to Terence Mckenna ❤
Such a lively and enlightening conversation! Seems like we're missing an ordinary word in English to express the agentic use of imagination in groups. If imagination is private experience, then maybe convernation (or some such) is that experience shared, and built upon. Spoken accent maybe has this quality whereby collaborative intention yields emotive mirroring and consequences when aggregated such as regional, or social, or national etc. accent. Convernation (or some such) then signifies elective psychological mass formation, repleat with means of signalling ones adoption of the mental model, such as accent. When I'm back home in Cork, I'll allow the melody back in my speaking voice because I feel at home to do so. Outside of Cork the accent fades, and without my effort, it seems. Here online though I'm local, like you. So my accent is, hopefully, respectful. Because that's what feels at home to do in this space.
Very very interesting thoughts. You’ve put me on a fun track. Thank you!
Hindu Sat, Chit, Ananda made clear here. In opposition to thousands of comments that can be reified: sat, the being itself, and chit, the consciousness itself, but still not illuminating Ananda in western rationalistic mind, the first two are forced into periphery and in fact to disappear completely. Ananda is seen as anti-reified and present womb of the basic space of phenomena without losing the point of it. The trinity is the aspect of oneness. Wonderful.
"Reality is an illusion, albeit a very convincing one";Einstein. Consciousness produces the illusion of humans with brains and everything else in our seemingly physical reality.
Tell Tom to check out Dr. Wolfgang Smith on quantum physics necessitating a tri-partite, Platonic reality, and therefore a reality that must needs be permeated by soul. Thanks for the conversation. Blessings
As a Brazilian watching an intelectual in the middle of a paradigm change I must say: fascinating. ❤
BTW: I had an meditation experience in which an extradimensional being brought me to what he called the point zero. A bright dot of light surrounded by moving black and grey moving energy. He said: all there is that point of light. All the rest is IMAGINATION.😅 I am still trying to figure it out. Welcome to the crazy world of anomalous experiences. It’s daunting, but it’s fun.
que bom saber de um conterrâneo por aqui. :)
Elijah has returned, as prophesied, and testifies: I visited Brazil in 1976 (US Navy) and Rio is a fond memory. Paradigm shift, indeed: to align with absolute Truth - which is "GOOD NEWS" beyond our ability to even imagine! See my comment elsewhere on this video. And know that all mysteries have been revealed, for those who seek Truth. That's how I got this job! (See Revelation Chapter 11.)
A whole-of-life perspective on how we adapt our innate imagination into the imaginal realm we 'label' mind, does bring a reality-wise sense of our communication biased consciousness, and the unwitting way we fall in love with the feeling of the abstract being real. 1. For the conscious sense-of-certainty we need to function within an inherently uncertain world. 2. For the cooperation needs of survival that forces us to create the reification-fallacy of a consensus-reality, abstracted, version of reality. While the elephant in the room of 21st-century humanity is undoubtedly the semi-conscious nature of our every behavior. A reality of being human that can be realized with one word questions of How? How do I walk and talk? How is my every behavior subconsciously synchronized by my nervous system?
Fabulous, thanks!
.....Is the background picture somewhere in Brazil>
You are a REALIST!!!
This is great. I think reductionist materialism is a dominant view mainly because it supports the current socio/political economic system, and having the establishment move away from this could truly be disruptive. I do not hold a materialist view and I'm more aligned with the speakers in this video, but I even fear how much chaos could occur if we as a society totally dived into what they are talking about. Maybe it would be a much better world in the long term, but it could also get very chaotic.
My 3rd time watching this ❤️🙏
What is the name of the Brazilian ceremony group , can anyone one go and how often do they have the ceremonies
Meditation is about brain waves. It connects you to universe. Emotionslly,spiritually. Physical reality is just a part of it.
26:45 is where I have to get off. Some people, through imagination, create "real" beings. But only certain mystics can perceive these real beings. I agree that our rational, logical thought needs to be balanced by a sort of imagination that can't be contained in the structures and processes we use to "apprehend" the world, in the words of Iain McGilchrist. But this sounds more like a fantasy than an act of creative imagination.
The Truth will only be known when everything had been said and everything had been done.
The voice in your head is a cultural construct. just a figment of our imagination.
Well said,
🙏💟 for sharing 🎉
What those writers did for him, Swedenborg did for me
Yay! She mentioned Emanuel! Lol
Each person’s consciousness is both unique and universal. Each person’s path is both unique and universal. Each person’s greatest challenge in life is grasping the truth that there is no Other
It’s not mad or egotistical
To fall for solipsistically
Orchestrated reveries
Attuned to authenticity
That’s how we grow
Into ourselves
Uniquely so
As no one else
One-in-All
Each me becomes
The moment each me’s
All-in-One
From the song “Who Do You Think You Are”
From the musical Narcissist! Whose Muse is Not Amused
by J.Mills
2:51 science gives us what we can observe to be true in the moment. It describes and observes. It doesn't make absolute claims for anything. It can only say, "based on how we tested this theory, we can conclude the outcome is Z" and that can be copied and repeated. Because what is true can be repeated over and over.
All realities are imagined, including this one. Realities are virtual, mental constructs, or from a child's perspective... pretending. The ONLY thing that's real is US and WE cannot be defined, everything else is imagined by US. Our mind is the builder or "intelligent artificer" (AI) that turns thought (nothing) into thought forms (something). To surmise, and worse yet teach that it works the other way around, borders on insanity. The reason Einstein said "Imagination is more important than intellect" is because our intellect only ever tells us what ISN'T possible, while our imagination tells us what IS possible.
What we've been led to believe is "real life" is neither real, nor life. You absolutely cannot discover or prove this using your intellect, it MUST come thru your intuition. The problem there is, our intellect murders our intuition at a very early age... Cain killing Abel. The more educated (adulterated) we become, the worse it gets. Academics always have to pretend they know what they can't even begin to understand, because that's just how our intellect works. It's a servant we've allowed to become our master. Richard Feynman said it best... "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" :)
I need a list of all the authors referenced 📚 😅
Regarding language and consciousness: vale Terence McKenna has an interesting Utube on Joyce's Finnegan's Wake
Mundus Imago Dei
The World Is the image of God.
“The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine!”
J.B.S. Haldane
Bakhtin etc. Art & Answerability ❤
This guy knows
Simply put: Subjective vs Objective reality! The 1st is Conciousness / the 2nd is Science. They don't commute, though there are efforts towards... But for the moment... nope!
Yes they do the theoretical framework is being developed by Bernardo Kastrup in philosophy / AI science and Donald Hoffman in neuroscience plus Dean Radin in psi science and Mario Beauregard in mind-brain theory.
Isn't this a natural part of our ongoing ascension?
Amazing interview - far too many advert breaks :/
To be or not to be that's the question
Thank you for this. You have set me potentially on a more fulfilled life. I feel I have been in that “Whishy Washy” thinking.
I might ask myself what happens when I die? Well my atoms will go off and be a tree and that will be nice. Conservation of Energy kind of thing.
I and been privately searching for a philosophy and religion until I was about 37 still asking the same questions. What happens when I die?
TRIGGER WARNING FOR DEATH!
Then I did. I died. Not permanently, however at the time I Ws very angry about being brought back.
It was an Opiate Overdose. All prescribed and the dosage was printed wrong, or I got the wrong bottle, or I necked them who cares? The main point is it was unintentional.
Now I know what happens when I die. I did not know that iw how truly afraid it death I was until it happened.
The best way of writing it here goes something like this. I did not get the Heaven is was promised, I got the Heaven I needed.
If a rubbish human like me got what I got with no effort, I can't perceive what will happen next time as I'm putting effort in.
I am a fence sitter. I do wonder if its usful or painful to hold many beliefs at once?
Thank you for this new area to explore x
I CG Jenkins recieved a present 5th july 2004 and encountered CGJUNG well i was uneducated so i just opened up the door
Shit i closed it pretty qwick, gesus i heard a ROAR
i think GCAT switched on i pray
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Would love to see this man have a talk with Dan Winter. They seem kindred. 💓 🧬 ⚡️
can someone explain please :(
Tom Cheetham. From Dewey, Cheetham & Howe.
Spirit of truth is from nature's point of view or the young child's point of view..detail appreciation... Know is now..
Taussig was an anthropologist who went to the arts.
There is no such thing as mind. There are ideas and some of them are wrong. Abandon the wrong ideas, for they are wrong and obstruct your vision of yourself. Assertions are usually wrong, and denials right. Only by denying can one live. Assertion is bondage. To question and deny is necessary. It is the essence of revolt and without revolt there can be no freedom. - Nisargadatta
Bro brought out Terrence McKennas signature line. "The world is stranger then we can suppose" now I'm not gonna put it past him getting that elsewhere himself, my guess is that was probably something whitehead said, there was a lot of terminology and concepts Terrence used that were 1:1 whitehead ideas. But still, if your reading and quoting whitehead your in a good place imo... that also means I'm gonna listen to this whole thing now. The imagination is where everything is.
Death is an illusion.
I'm interested and would like to read his writing but his delivery is terribly jumbled.
This would be appear to be old news in eastern thought and new news to the west if I am correct?
The Kybalion for example
And what are your thoughts ( anyone) about Walter Russell The secret of light which also postulates these things
And if you throw DonHoffman into this mix we find abstract idealism at its finest
That right Truth is subjective facts are not
Got lost in all the circumlocutions. No idea!
Modern mainstream psychology in particular is stuck in a model based on Newton and Descartes
The only problem is finding the fundamental truth
It's not the job of science to give "truth." It offers a snapshot observation at A time and A place. When it can be repeated we have confidence in the data. How you interpret it is up to you.
Material(ism) is just ~5% of the whole known universe.
The rest of 95% is ... play and enjoy with your immagination.
TY
We dont need wisdom and intelligence now due to the emergence of AI, We need more empathy and imagination because that is what seperates humans from AI
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The Tao can be talked about but not the eternal Tao
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Scientists believe most of the universe is made of "dark matter". When asked what they mean by dark matter? Oh...its matter we cannot see.
Two different things not mutually exclusive.
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Ive been imagining money for years. If neville goddards assertion that imaging creates reailty is true why do i have none
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Elijah has returned, as prophesied, and testifies: GOD is the Mind that is ALL. Therefore, GOD is YOUR Mind. And that Mind is limitless. But you aren't currently experiencing that Reality. You are experiencing the limited EGO mind, which the Bible calls the devil and satan. And you don't know why, but it's for very good reason. And we err to identify with that irrational mind...which is why, Truth be known, Yeshua One with Christ ("Jesus Christ") simply came to show us how to "overcome" that irrational idea so that we can return to our limitless state of Being. And all of this is beyond even the best imagination, but is readily available through an experience. Seek only this and do not let a closed mind and theology - or limited imagination - delay you!
All mysteries have been unveiled and published in these "end times": the end of the old Cycle of Time that the New Cycle may be born. And if you seek you will find...