He's saying You can work on cardio and practice at the same time. By just going at a more intense higher pace. At the same time practicing and improving your skills.
One of the first things they teach you in exercise physiology is the Principle of Specificity. Marcelo knows what he's talking about, even if he's not getting scientifically technical.
He is totally wrong. Physical conditioning through weights and athletic training is vastly important for BJJ success. Look at all the top level guys right now, they are extremely strong an athletic. Marcelo is just a old bald broken down pug that never really fought anybody that's good and in their prime.
@B P Omg dude, please, do yourself a favor and be quiet🤣🤣 Just know people are completely laughing at you if you talk like this in public🤦🤦 Never mind, thank you for that. I'm still laughing at this months later👌👌
@@BP-vr3rt No they're not you absolute clown lol. Best heavyweight? Gordon Ryan, only lifts for competitions and he does machines for high reps. Best lightweight? Mikey musumeci, never lifts. Best old school grappler? Roger gracie, never lifts. Best middleweight? Marcelo, never lifted. Best boxer? Mayweather, never lifts. Best fighter? Khabib, barely lifts, mostly just bodyweight. Now GTFOH lmao
Look at all these people disagreeing with a multiple time World Champion and possibly the greatest bjj practitioner of all time. Yeah I'm sure you know better than him.
Even the best people make mistakes. Every one of them. This might make you better, but that doesn't mean there aren't other approaches. Some top coaches would definitely not approach training in this way
Having other approaches and disagreeing with his approach are two different things. Keep in mind two years ago he not only had the best female competitor win her division and absolute but also the best male win his and absolute at the World championships... this kind of success coming from one school location is unheard of in bjj and you can bet it has something to do with his approach to jiujitsu.
I think I understand what Marcelo is stating. Lots of guys in sports like to do conditioning that is maybe sport specific but not as specific as actually practicing their sport of choice. We have lots of guys supplementing their BJJ with activities like cross fit and the like but nothing beats doing the actual activity you are trying to get better at. So to get better and get the benefit of conditioning you have to train more intensely focusing on more fact twitch movements like a sprinter or a wrestler. Obviously not all the time but doing fast sprint like rolling can really take your conditioning to the next level without sacrificing mat time for other activities.
George Batton yup, same philosophy as James toney. he just sparred all day, rotating in fresh fighters every few rounds. resulting in double the practice time and double conditioning time without making many sacrifices..
I agree with you. Jogging and Sprinting have helped keep my condition up to par allowing me to train 6 days a week. For me, it's a win-win. But I will never be a World Titled Pro and so I do it the way it works best for me.
Ye in many high performance things this is now, we do x, y and z because supposedly it helps us get better, but for most crafts (especially if you still developing skill) its better to direct all that attention to more itnense practice. Imo its better to be at plateau for long period where things feel very shaky than to play it safe by sticking to what you know works
Most people just don't get it. If you love something you have to be willing to die for it. That means not being afraid to die on a tread mill, shooting free throws or whatever else it take to make yourself great at your passion.
Two points I like from this: 1) If you want to get better at jiu jitsu, train jiu jitsu. And push your limits IN jiu jitsu 2) Even if it is difficult, you should be trying to get out the much as you can from a single roll. And this is more like a mental fight with yourself. I am personally very afraid of pushing because I gas out immediately, that's why I am most of the time too conservative, and eventually end up losing the roll. This is a big piece of advice, my question is just if it works for everybody....
This training philosophy might hold up when one or both partners have a baseline level of skill and control. But at lower levels, I see this approach resulting in a lot of unnecessary injuries.
@@judojustim a rushed pass or sweep without drilling at slower pase while giving it a 100% all the time can also result in unvanted injuries just as any choke or break. I think this approach for conditioning is only really applicable to those of purple belt and higher.
Saw this guy toy with maybe 35 high level guys after a workshop, he just let them work and reversed and shut them down then let them come back, few mins one guy, then onto the next, the whole time he was so polite, always smiling ,encouraging..
My professor always says that one beautiful thing about Jiu Jitsu is that it varies a lot from one person to another depending on their physical and mental particularities, I think that applies here, there´s some people with gifted genetics that don´t need further conditioning but most of us need to work on some particular issue (If you´re a big guy most likely you need to improve your cardio by jogging or skipping rope, if you´re slender perhaps you need to build some strenght and explotion)
Nothing is like Jiujitsu. It has all the elements of Fitness Training - Stamina, Muscular endurance, Neuromuscular efficiency, Agility, Dynamic stability, Strength and Power training all in one thing. So yeah, Grandmaster Marcelinho is correct. If you actually train Jiujitsu full on, you literally train every aspect of Fitness.
I view this clearly as a point for conditioning training. Not for learning technique, but for improving your cardio in prep for competitions, and also improving your understanding of how you perform while close to your limit. It is certainly useful and approaching a competition I may go to the higher belts and ask if I can have a 100% competition roll with them for conditioning. I may do a couple of weeks like that in the lead up to a competition. Its one thing to know the moves, its another thing to apply them when you are under 100% pressure from a skilled opponent. That being said, I wouldnt recommend doing this all the time because you increase the possibility for injury. Also for the newer belts conditioning is less important than technique and general gamemanship imo. The higher the level you get in terms of competition, the finer the difference between competitors becomes and any edge you can gain over your opponent is an advantage. If you're at elite level, then I would imagine that a fair chunk of your training would be at 100% so you can stay competition ready.
Once you are at a certain level of fitness and athleticism, then I agree. You will see most gains in BJJ by doing a lot of BJJ(and like MG said, pushing it hard in training). But for myself personally, as someone in his mid-thirties returning to grappling after a 7 year absence, I have found it very worthwhile to supplement my training with both weightlifting and battle ropes - I got physically more fit faster that way. In a year or so I might stop and just roll all the time though.
nice that he can go hard all the time. preparing for tournament I can totally see where this is appropriate. If I have to roll with people going 100% (like spaz level almost) all the time I'd probably look for a different school, since I'd get hurt all the time and I couldn't work on techniques with someone going 100mph every second of every roll...
+The Notorious well said. there are too many softies in jiu jitsu. going fast is not 100 percent. 100 percent is pure adrenaline rolling with the intent to end the match immediately.
+darklord220 jiu jitsu is a gentle art... some people prefer to just work out more of their mind aspect then focusing on competition. .. and being hardass. .. be soft yet don't be hard as to a point the your training partner don't want to return ever again to a place... it happened to me
Yes, this happened to me last time I stepped on the mats. People especially white belts go berserk all the time I think just to prove a point that they aren't a bitch. I said to this old guy I was rolling with who was going 100mph's "dude, you're going way to fast". Then he replied "it's my normal speed". How can we learn from each other if the only objective they see is to smash the opponent with no solace? He fucked up my arm with a armbar from guard and didn't even feel remorseful afterwards. Already in the proess of changing schools. Wasn't even sparring. I'm ranked higher than him also but still.
I think more this was a type of training and not the only training. I could be wrong as to what he meant. Push yourself to the limit to build up your conditioning and understand your limitations as far as your speed limitations, ability to sweep when you really want to, and to see when you've over extended yourself. This way you know when you're the right amount of aggressive. I don't think it's wise to do every roll like this. I think it's part of training for competitions and upping your ji-jitsu stamina. I also think it's cool to tell your opponent that you're going to go with high-energy (this doesn't mean being a douche on subs and muscling/cranking shit). He just means really trying to pass, and really trying to sweep, but do your subs from good position.
I think he meant not every time u go train give it your all, but i think he meant if ur preparing for a future competition give it your all and see where u gas out. If we gave it our all all the time there would be more injuries and reaching ur goal to black belt would be even longer. I would start making excuses to not goto class if everyday was abu dhabi. I dunno, if ur a young stud and not worried about injuries go 100% but if ur older u want to train and be able to train till ur 90 like Helio roll for fun.
***** Yea, I can't imagine that that's a safe way to train. Imagine a bunch of white belts and blue belts going at each other like cats in a cat fight everyday--people are going to get hurt.
Couldn’t agree more. It maybe works for him and I have no reason to doubt him, but at 39 years old, tried that and blew out my knee training intensely and I’m not well yet. All this from loosing balance during a guard pass at above speed limit. Just my two cents for the elders.
people want to say that its partly due to "genetics" no, its just working hard on your craft and doing it intelligently. Many people are Marcelos size, have freak genetics and cannot due what Marcelo does. Its just superior technique.
I do strength and conditioning daily, and so do many others. Marcelo Garcia is a special fighter and what he’s saying is not a good formula for most people. Strength and conditioning will prevent injuries and help your technique. Again, he’s a world class grappler and just because it works for him does not mean it’s a good plan for everyone. Most of us will need three lifetimes to reach his level. But, I love this approach to rolling and pushing yourself. By no means am I arguing with someone who can tap me with ease, but I am saying you can’t just think you don’t need to work out just because he doesn’t.
his point is that training hard durring the technical phase of your training is better then doing strenght and conditioning excercises and cardio. you get the cardio plus neuro-motor efficiency for the real thing.
I reckon most people would say that if you can do BJJ, do that instead of lifting/cross-training etc - swimmers don't run to get better at swimming. But if you can't do BJJ, auxiliary training is obviously still going to be helpful.
First how can you not like Marcelo, but I agree with Marcelo to a point but I like doing different kinds of training I am 52 and have done many different styles, BJJ for the last 3-4 years if I had the money I wouldn't work I would be training, I still try to keep up with my boxing, Muay Thai, and Kali as well as others after a while you get really smart about how you use your time and money, one of the reasons people like Bruce Lee, Marcelo, Andre Galvao, Fedor, GSP, etc, to name a few is they now have the funds or situation to make it there living yes they most likely had nothing at the start and had to fight through poverty to get where they are which I think makes you stronger, but for MOST, it's harder in a different way if you have a family money and more so time make it very hard, to try to devote everything to what you love means something has to give ''The tree that will not bend will soon break'', many people leave just when there starting to get it, I think that people like Marcelo have reached the top he has nothing to prove to anyone, while they should teach others, in there minds they need to move on try another Martial Art I don't think it would take him long to master another art or arts, also seeing what works with different situations, many fighters and Martial artists cannot defend there own life in a real life scenario, sports, and fighting is different to self defence.
Guys look at the title of the video... "Training for CONDITIONING" I'm only a white belt. However, even with my low knowledge, I can also say when rolling with other white belts, a BIG part of me being tapped and giving up positions is because I get tired early. I'll roll two 6 minute rounds with two guys, and by the time i'm at the 3rd or 4th person, i'm EXHAUSTED to the point that I can't even think straight lol. Sure i'm not in the best shape, but i'm not in terrible shape either. If ANYTHING, what i'm seeing from Marcelo is that if you go hard ALL the time, and push yourself to the limit ALL the time, you will begin to push that WALL further back so you can go longer and longer in deep water. I admit, there are times where if I roll with someone and we are both tired, we're take it lightly on our roll, sitting in guard for a while, achieving mount and just keeping the position etc etc.HOWEVER, even when you're tired, if you keep pushing yourself harder, you'll be able to gain more endurance and be able to roll better and be able to use your skill at full capacity. It has nothing to do with going HARD like a steroid roid rage practitioner. If anything, it's more about getting your body in the shape it needs to be for your own good.
I'm a huge fan of Marcelo's, and I try to understand and apply everything he says, as long as it seems reasonable (99% of it does). Here, though, I have to point something: if you've seen Marcelo fighting/training when he was younger, you know how awesome his genetics is. Supposing he always went 100% jiu jitsu, no lifting, no cardio, then he is an absolute beast. I agree that you can stick to Jiu Jitsu, IF YOU CAN. I mean, if you're a heavy guy, you'll probably want to run, swim, or do some other form of cardio. HOWEVER, if you CAN apply yourself to Jiu Jitsu as long as necessary, I can't see why you wouldn't. I mean, if you have the time to train Jiu Jitsu for long periods, I say you go for it. There's no lifting/running that's gonna make you better at Jiu Jitsu. First and foremost, you'll get neuromotor coordination. That, by itself, is a huge advantage. Then, you're getting fit FOR Jiu Jitsu WHILE training Jiu Jitsu. You should get quick and flexible while learning techniques, as a natural part of your development. Then I can't see downsides. Unless, of course, you're into bodybuilding. If you're a bodybuilder, I'd say you should use BJJ as cardio AND isometric exercises. The level of definition you'd have by aligning jiu jitsu AND bodybuilding would be insane. I think I've said too much already. Sorry, folks. Stay strong.
"I agree that you can stick to Jiu Jitsu, IF YOU CAN. I mean, if you're a heavy guy, you'll probably want to run, swim, or do some other form of cardio." Actually, research points to that conditioning is very movement-specific. The best conditioning for BJJ is doing more bjj with fewer breaks.
+KallaMigCP Could you post your sources for that claim? I often argue for specificity when it comes to BJJ conditioning, but it is mostly deductive/anecdotal. Would love to be able to point towards something more concrete.
Honken check out this dude called Steve Maxwell. He talks about it on the Joe Rogan Experience. I can't find the research right now. But you can try it on yourself. Go train for a marathon then jump in a pool. You'll gas out swimming in no time. But you should be conditioned right? Your heart is, but your movement-specific conditioning isn't.
+KallaMigCP Swimming endurance is primarily a function of swimming ability, hence why you see 50-year olds still winning and setting world records in distance swimming. The same argument can't be made for grappling as performance is (also) in strong correlation with physical ability. Until you/Maxwell back up your claims, they still remain anecdotal at best.
Honken Maxwell already has. The information is out there. Just because you haven't found it doesn't mean it's not there. "Swimming ability", what do you specifically mean by that? I would argue that it's a function of movement-specific conditioning and technique, i.e., making the movement as energy efficient as possible.
You can get the same results doing sprints lol. Ofc bjj is more focused on bjj but sprints are better in my opinion because it raises your heart throughout the whole day not just during training. Meaning your metabolism will be higher and you'll burn more calories throughout the day. Which is why I say sprinting is better. Khabib does hill sprints
@@adam-lt8iy it does lol. Try it out and see it for yourself.. do 200m sprints 6x.. I'm talking 100% percent no jogging. My first time doing it, it felt like my heart was gonna pop off.. I had to take heart burn medicine to cool my heart off 😂 but now my body is use to it and I can grapple non stop I feel like
Conditioning is not the primary subject of Marcelo's talk, and that could understand as just a person who trains BJJ. It's about risking and putting the extra mile effort with also lower BJJ ranks and constant exposing yourself outside a comfort zone.
His idea on conditioning is much like mines! He believe in physically evolving in whatever it is that your doing than that's what you do to become superior in all aspects of it....just as how a lion conditions itself to be able to eat he chased down its prey than kill it and the body and mind is worked exactly the way it would be for hunting another meal...its primary to what your doing, and anything else is only secondary to the task at hand
With all due respect to this great champion, lifting weights also aids on preventing injuries and rehabilitating. Doing only BJJ is great but you are gonna get hurt and wish you had taken the mix route martial arts/conditioning
I think some people are missing the point slightly Marcelo is talking about transitioning to your next move/position and putting all your energy into it, to get your points in competition, rather than sitting and waiting for them to make a mistake It sounds like it was a competition training session I agree that going at 100mph during training all the time isn't a good idea, but it will improve your BJJ conditioning, especially for competition.
Great advice. I need to be more explosive. I'm the person that goes borderline too hard but I understand it works both ways. Higher belts still smash me but they know we are going to work. I let go of subs before anyone gets hurt and do them slowly enough to allow a tap. I like rolling when I'm tired because it forces me to use technique more than strength.
True cross training won't hurt but I think he is saying that it's not mandatory for BJJ training. Jujitsu was designed to be a complete strength and conditioning regime by Jigoro Kano.
Good stuff! My exact concept of jiujitsu train hard in what u train for not because u think its gonna help with your jits game!( lifting,swiming,joging,etc etc etc) lame all mental!
I think his body is just genetically very strong/ fit for bjj without lifting, but i think if i where to do the same i would turn back into a very very skinny weak kid. It's obvious it works for him, but i dont share his thoughts on this and dont think it is the way for everybody.
You probably increased the intensity an thus increased the amount of calories burned from training MMA, but then did not eat enough to counter act that. Gotta eat right or you will lose weight.
+Brendan 99.18% of people upvote this to down vote this. the rest are (as we know) neutral. no reason to be upset. they are probably a minority ie they don't like his accent or something stupid. anyways, thanks for the video. Marcelo is a beast.
No, it certainly couldn't hurt, depending on where you train. But having rolled with Mr. Garcia and his club for a week, I can tell you that you wouldn't need any extra conditioning after rolling that hard and that often. In fact you need to rest.
If what he says is true - then rugby players would just play rugby, soccer players would just play soccer, skiers would just ski, Usain Bolt would just run 100 meters races etc....but they don't. All top elite sports players do all sorts of cross training to improve their base level of fitness - endurance, anerobic threshold, power, strength, flexibility and agility - which helps them perform at elite level. Marcelo can still be an amazing BJJ practitioner and nobody is going to argue about that - he is - but apart from a few genetic freaks - he is wrong about this.
xpat73 I dont think he's talking about all sports, I agree with you on most sports. boxing and grappling are exceptions I think, and with boxing u are probably putting yourself a little more at risk of injury. and with grappling I definitely agree with Marcelo on going super fast and hard really often not just for conditioning, but more importantly to get used to thinking faster. its like chess. some opponents that can come up with better moves than you, cant find those moves in time or dont have the energy to execute properly when you turn the speed of the game/intensity level up.
if he was put on a s&c program he would be losing something, maybe his timing, instinct, technique. Maybe he would even get weaker at jiu jitsu even though he could lift a lot. S&C is hugely overrated.
From 2:45 to 3:03 = HOLY SHIT. Too bad there is no striking in BJJ because i could only compare that to going in a Boxing Ring for a 1 minute sparring session with a 20 year Mike Tyson going full speed at your ass. That's how intimidating that was to me.
I just started bjj 3 months ago and applied this exact approach, result : sprained MCL, partially tore my bicep. I m out for atleast 3 months now. Morale of the story : if you are a white belt take it easy you might hurt yourself or your training partners
You made the typical white belt mistake. As a white belt, you should focus on learning. You don't have any technique to go hard with. So if you're going hard 100% of what you're doing is complete bullshit and you're only doing it because of your fragile ego. You're afraid to tap or to be weak. I really hate sparring with white belts because of this and whenever a white belt does this to me, I won't care if I injure him and I have injured multiple white belts. Usually, when I crank or pull a sub I start it slowly but with white belts that try this bullshit I try and rip the limb or head off immediately. If you want to try and be a tough guy and waste my time, I'll punish you for it. Most higher belts have the same approach. So you probably got injured because you were being an asshole. Also, MArcelo's advice was for conditioning training specifically. He doesn't go 100% all the time obviously.
"Let's always choose to give everything."
Some of our team from Australia trained with Marcelo a few months back and brought some awesome knowledge back, this Guy is a LEGEND in our sport. OSS
I agree!
He's saying You can work on cardio and practice at the same time. By just going at a more intense higher pace. At the same time practicing and improving your skills.
One of the first things they teach you in exercise physiology is the Principle of Specificity. Marcelo knows what he's talking about, even if he's not getting scientifically technical.
He is totally wrong. Physical conditioning through weights and athletic training is vastly important for BJJ success. Look at all the top level guys right now, they are extremely strong an athletic. Marcelo is just a old bald broken down pug that never really fought anybody that's good and in their prime.
@@BP-vr3rt he tapped Renzo Gracie, Leo Vieira and all those legends in their prime. Your comment is not something to take serious.
@B P Omg dude, please, do yourself a favor and be quiet🤣🤣 Just know people are completely laughing at you if you talk like this in public🤦🤦
Never mind, thank you for that. I'm still laughing at this months later👌👌
@@BP-vr3rt No they're not you absolute clown lol. Best heavyweight? Gordon Ryan, only lifts for competitions and he does machines for high reps. Best lightweight? Mikey musumeci, never lifts. Best old school grappler? Roger gracie, never lifts. Best middleweight? Marcelo, never lifted. Best boxer? Mayweather, never lifts. Best fighter? Khabib, barely lifts, mostly just bodyweight. Now GTFOH lmao
Look at all these people disagreeing with a multiple time World Champion and possibly the greatest bjj practitioner of all time. Yeah I'm sure you know better than him.
Even the best people make mistakes. Every one of them. This might make you better, but that doesn't mean there aren't other approaches. Some top coaches would definitely not approach training in this way
Having other approaches and disagreeing with his approach are two different things. Keep in mind two years ago he not only had the best female competitor win her division and absolute but also the best male win his and absolute at the World championships... this kind of success coming from one school location is unheard of in bjj and you can bet it has something to do with his approach to jiujitsu.
He's wrong. Period.
xpat73 So... don't push yourself? Don't give it all you've got? Don't try your best?
see my post below. He is wrong that other training is not of use to Jiu-jitsu. For one, weight training is known to cut down on injuries.
That intensity is absurd! It's just beautiful to watch.
I think I understand what Marcelo is stating. Lots of guys in sports like to do conditioning that is maybe sport specific but not as specific as actually practicing their sport of choice. We have lots of guys supplementing their BJJ with activities like cross fit and the like but nothing beats doing the actual activity you are trying to get better at. So to get better and get the benefit of conditioning you have to train more intensely focusing on more fact twitch movements like a sprinter or a wrestler. Obviously not all the time but doing fast sprint like rolling can really take your conditioning to the next level without sacrificing mat time for other activities.
George Batton yup, same philosophy as James toney. he just sparred all day, rotating in fresh fighters every few rounds. resulting in double the practice time and double conditioning time without making many sacrifices..
"crossfit"? smh
Crossfit bahahahahahaahahahhahaahaahhaaahaaaahahahaaa
I agree with you. Jogging and Sprinting have helped keep my condition up to par allowing me to train 6 days a week. For me, it's a win-win. But I will never be a World Titled Pro and so I do it the way it works best for me.
Ye in many high performance things this is now, we do x, y and z because supposedly it helps us get better, but for most crafts (especially if you still developing skill) its better to direct all that attention to more itnense practice. Imo its better to be at plateau for long period where things feel very shaky than to play it safe by sticking to what you know works
Most people just don't get it. If you love something you have to be willing to die for it. That means not being afraid to die on a tread mill, shooting free throws or whatever else it take to make yourself great at your passion.
The intensity of the second roll was top, and that blue belt did very well with marcelo pushing him that hard! Brilliant video
Two points I like from this:
1) If you want to get better at jiu jitsu, train jiu jitsu. And push your limits IN jiu jitsu
2) Even if it is difficult, you should be trying to get out the much as you can from a single roll. And this is more like a mental fight with yourself. I am personally very afraid of pushing because I gas out immediately, that's why I am most of the time too conservative, and eventually end up losing the roll. This is a big piece of advice, my question is just if it works for everybody....
JoePonji Well said.
Holy fucking minute.
0-100 real quick,real quick
lmao
This training philosophy might hold up when one or both partners have a baseline level of skill and control. But at lower levels, I see this approach resulting in a lot of unnecessary injuries.
pass or sweep. hes not telling you to drill subs 200 %
Well, as he said, know ur limits
@@judojustim a rushed pass or sweep without drilling at slower pase while giving it a 100% all the time can also result in unvanted injuries just as any choke or break. I think this approach for conditioning is only really applicable to those of purple belt and higher.
@@mikhailmancorrectamundo
its like its on Fast Forward wow
Marcelo is a beast.
Saw this guy toy with maybe 35 high level guys after a workshop, he just let them work and reversed and shut them down then let them come back, few mins one guy, then onto the next, the whole time he was so polite, always smiling ,encouraging..
This guy is crazy good, and a great teacher as well.
At 1:43 he's like a normal person, and at 2:43 he went berserk. :)
Nicest person in the world going beast mode...that was kinda scary
He looks like a DBZ fighter
My professor always says that one beautiful thing about Jiu Jitsu is that it varies a lot from one person to another depending on their physical and mental particularities, I think that applies here, there´s some people with gifted genetics that don´t need further conditioning but most of us need to work on some particular issue (If you´re a big guy most likely you need to improve your cardio by jogging or skipping rope, if you´re slender perhaps you need to build some strenght and explotion)
Nothing is like Jiujitsu. It has all the elements of Fitness Training - Stamina, Muscular endurance, Neuromuscular efficiency, Agility, Dynamic stability, Strength and Power training all in one thing. So yeah, Grandmaster Marcelinho is correct. If you actually train Jiujitsu full on, you literally train every aspect of Fitness.
OMG..that was amazing!!!! This is why he is one of my favorite grappler.
I view this clearly as a point for conditioning training. Not for learning technique, but for improving your cardio in prep for competitions, and also improving your understanding of how you perform while close to your limit. It is certainly useful and approaching a competition I may go to the higher belts and ask if I can have a 100% competition roll with them for conditioning. I may do a couple of weeks like that in the lead up to a competition. Its one thing to know the moves, its another thing to apply them when you are under 100% pressure from a skilled opponent.
That being said, I wouldnt recommend doing this all the time because you increase the possibility for injury. Also for the newer belts conditioning is less important than technique and general gamemanship imo. The higher the level you get in terms of competition, the finer the difference between competitors becomes and any edge you can gain over your opponent is an advantage. If you're at elite level, then I would imagine that a fair chunk of your training would be at 100% so you can stay competition ready.
Once you are at a certain level of fitness and athleticism, then I agree. You will see most gains in BJJ by doing a lot of BJJ(and like MG said, pushing it hard in training). But for myself personally, as someone in his mid-thirties returning to grappling after a 7 year absence, I have found it very worthwhile to supplement my training with both weightlifting and battle ropes - I got physically more fit faster that way. In a year or so I might stop and just roll all the time though.
nice that he can go hard all the time. preparing for tournament I can totally see where this is appropriate.
If I have to roll with people going 100% (like spaz level almost) all the time I'd probably look for a different school, since I'd get hurt all the time and I couldn't work on techniques with someone going 100mph every second of every roll...
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+The Notorious well said. there are too many softies in jiu jitsu. going fast is not 100 percent. 100 percent is pure adrenaline rolling with the intent to end the match immediately.
+darklord220 jiu jitsu is a gentle art... some people prefer to just work out more of their mind aspect then focusing on competition. .. and being hardass. .. be soft yet don't be hard as to a point the your training partner don't want to return ever again to a place... it happened to me
Yes, this happened to me last time I stepped on the mats. People especially white belts go berserk all the time I think just to prove a point that they aren't a bitch. I said to this old guy I was rolling with who was going 100mph's "dude, you're going way to fast". Then he replied "it's my normal speed". How can we learn from each other if the only objective they see is to smash the opponent with no solace?
He fucked up my arm with a armbar from guard and didn't even feel remorseful afterwards. Already in the proess of changing schools. Wasn't even sparring. I'm ranked higher than him also but still.
I think more this was a type of training and not the only training. I could be wrong as to what he meant. Push yourself to the limit to build up your conditioning and understand your limitations as far as your speed limitations, ability to sweep when you really want to, and to see when you've over extended yourself. This way you know when you're the right amount of aggressive. I don't think it's wise to do every roll like this. I think it's part of training for competitions and upping your ji-jitsu stamina. I also think it's cool to tell your opponent that you're going to go with high-energy (this doesn't mean being a douche on subs and muscling/cranking shit). He just means really trying to pass, and really trying to sweep, but do your subs from good position.
What a mentor to have 🙌
whenever i watch a mg video i learn something new, thank you for capturing and sharing this gold! awesomeness
2:45 Marcello turns it up to 17% of his optimal performance
He has competed in grapplers quest before but the man is a living legend that will only compete at the big world tournaments.
OMG this guy is a beast! I’m pretty sure he can get me in a submission before we even start rolling! Hell, I tapped out just watching him roll 🤔
I think he meant not every time u go train give it your all, but i think he meant if ur preparing for a future competition give it your all and see where u gas out. If we gave it our all all the time there would be more injuries and reaching ur goal to black belt would be even longer. I would start making excuses to not goto class if everyday was abu dhabi. I dunno, if ur a young stud and not worried about injuries go 100% but if ur older u want to train and be able to train till ur 90 like Helio roll for fun.
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Yea, I can't imagine that that's a safe way to train. Imagine a bunch of white belts and blue belts going at each other like cats in a cat fight everyday--people are going to get hurt.
Couldn’t agree more. It maybe works for him and I have no reason to doubt him, but at 39 years old, tried that and blew out my knee training intensely and I’m not well yet. All this from loosing balance during a guard pass at above speed limit. Just my two cents for the elders.
He is talking to athletes that want to compete at the highest level.
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How are you now, how's the knee, are you able to continue to train ever again?
people want to say that its partly due to "genetics" no, its just working hard on your craft and doing it intelligently. Many people are Marcelos size, have freak genetics and cannot due what Marcelo does. Its just superior technique.
MG went into beast mode that second round for sure!!
I do strength and conditioning daily, and so do many others. Marcelo Garcia is a special fighter and what he’s saying is not a good formula for most people. Strength and conditioning will prevent injuries and help your technique. Again, he’s a world class grappler and just because it works for him does not mean it’s a good plan for everyone. Most of us will need three lifetimes to reach his level. But, I love this approach to rolling and pushing yourself. By no means am I arguing with someone who can tap me with ease, but I am saying you can’t just think you don’t need to work out just because he doesn’t.
The best ever, such a cool and passionate guy 🐐
his point is that training hard durring the technical phase of your training is better then doing strenght and conditioning excercises and cardio. you get the cardio plus neuro-motor efficiency for the real thing.
Conditioning beats equal technique
he is at another level
I agree you have to come out with that intensity sometimes. And the opponents may not expect that intensity because Bjj is “calm”
I reckon most people would say that if you can do BJJ, do that instead of lifting/cross-training etc - swimmers don't run to get better at swimming. But if you can't do BJJ, auxiliary training is obviously still going to be helpful.
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Yep
those are really awesome tips.
Wow, that was Awesome.
2:11 that base and balance by marcelo during the single leg takedown attempt
Put playback on 0.5x speed and it still looks like a normal roll lol
the 2nd round looked like 3x normal speed that was sick!
He went beast mode
I have never seen anyone move like that. Insane.
Wow, brilliant advice!
Marcello is awesome
I think his talking about if you were preparing for competition. Of course newbies need to focus on the basics first.
First how can you not like Marcelo, but I agree with Marcelo to a point but I like doing different kinds of training I am 52 and have done many different styles, BJJ for the last 3-4 years if I had the money I wouldn't work I would be training, I still try to keep up with my boxing, Muay Thai, and Kali as well as others after a while you get really smart about how you use your time and money, one of the reasons people like Bruce Lee, Marcelo, Andre Galvao, Fedor, GSP, etc, to name a few is they now have the funds or situation to make it there living yes they most likely had nothing at the start and had to fight through poverty to get where they are which I think makes you stronger, but for MOST, it's harder in a different way if you have a family money and more so time make it very hard, to try to devote everything to what you love means something has to give ''The tree that will not bend will soon break'', many people leave just when there starting to get it, I think that people like Marcelo have reached the top he has nothing to prove to anyone, while they should teach others, in there minds they need to move on try another Martial Art I don't think it would take him long to master another art or arts, also seeing what works with different situations, many fighters and Martial artists cannot defend there own life in a real life scenario, sports, and fighting is different to self defence.
Wow good teacher
wow. Point made!!!
true inspiration!
Osss Marcelo..!
I understand exactly what he's saying.
2nd type sparing is what type??
Has there ever been a badder nice guy than MG? The nicest and the baddest!
Guys look at the title of the video... "Training for CONDITIONING"
I'm only a white belt. However, even with my low knowledge, I can also say when rolling with other white belts, a BIG part of me being tapped and giving up positions is because I get tired early. I'll roll two 6 minute rounds with two guys, and by the time i'm at the 3rd or 4th person, i'm EXHAUSTED to the point that I can't even think straight lol. Sure i'm not in the best shape, but i'm not in terrible shape either. If ANYTHING, what i'm seeing from Marcelo is that if you go hard ALL the time, and push yourself to the limit ALL the time, you will begin to push that WALL further back so you can go longer and longer in deep water.
I admit, there are times where if I roll with someone and we are both tired, we're take it lightly on our roll, sitting in guard for a while, achieving mount and just keeping the position etc etc.HOWEVER, even when you're tired, if you keep pushing yourself harder, you'll be able to gain more endurance and be able to roll better and be able to use your skill at full capacity. It has nothing to do with going HARD like a steroid roid rage practitioner. If anything, it's more about getting your body in the shape it needs to be for your own good.
I'm a huge fan of Marcelo's, and I try to understand and apply everything he says, as long as it seems reasonable (99% of it does).
Here, though, I have to point something: if you've seen Marcelo fighting/training when he was younger, you know how awesome his genetics is. Supposing he always went 100% jiu jitsu, no lifting, no cardio, then he is an absolute beast.
I agree that you can stick to Jiu Jitsu, IF YOU CAN. I mean, if you're a heavy guy, you'll probably want to run, swim, or do some other form of cardio.
HOWEVER, if you CAN apply yourself to Jiu Jitsu as long as necessary, I can't see why you wouldn't. I mean, if you have the time to train Jiu Jitsu for long periods, I say you go for it. There's no lifting/running that's gonna make you better at Jiu Jitsu.
First and foremost, you'll get neuromotor coordination. That, by itself, is a huge advantage. Then, you're getting fit FOR Jiu Jitsu WHILE training Jiu Jitsu. You should get quick and flexible while learning techniques, as a natural part of your development. Then I can't see downsides.
Unless, of course, you're into bodybuilding. If you're a bodybuilder, I'd say you should use BJJ as cardio AND isometric exercises. The level of definition you'd have by aligning jiu jitsu AND bodybuilding would be insane.
I think I've said too much already. Sorry, folks. Stay strong.
"I agree that you can stick to Jiu Jitsu, IF YOU CAN. I mean, if you're a heavy guy, you'll probably want to run, swim, or do some other form of cardio."
Actually, research points to that conditioning is very movement-specific. The best conditioning for BJJ is doing more bjj with fewer breaks.
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Could you post your sources for that claim? I often argue for specificity when it comes to BJJ conditioning, but it is mostly deductive/anecdotal. Would love to be able to point towards something more concrete.
Honken check out this dude called Steve Maxwell. He talks about it on the Joe Rogan Experience. I can't find the research right now. But you can try it on yourself. Go train for a marathon then jump in a pool. You'll gas out swimming in no time. But you should be conditioned right? Your heart is, but your movement-specific conditioning isn't.
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Swimming endurance is primarily a function of swimming ability, hence why you see 50-year olds still winning and setting world records in distance swimming. The same argument can't be made for grappling as performance is (also) in strong correlation with physical ability.
Until you/Maxwell back up your claims, they still remain anecdotal at best.
Honken Maxwell already has. The information is out there. Just because you haven't found it doesn't mean it's not there.
"Swimming ability", what do you specifically mean by that? I would argue that it's a function of movement-specific conditioning and technique, i.e., making the movement as energy efficient as possible.
This is brilliant. To summarize: hard sparring= good.
You can get the same results doing sprints lol. Ofc bjj is more focused on bjj but sprints are better in my opinion because it raises your heart throughout the whole day not just during training. Meaning your metabolism will be higher and you'll burn more calories throughout the day. Which is why I say sprinting is better. Khabib does hill sprints
@@DerrelTheReal "it raises your heart throughout the whole day " it doesn't. If it did you would have a heart attack and die.
@@adam-lt8iy it does lol. Try it out and see it for yourself.. do 200m sprints 6x.. I'm talking 100% percent no jogging. My first time doing it, it felt like my heart was gonna pop off.. I had to take heart burn medicine to cool my heart off 😂 but now my body is use to it and I can grapple non stop I feel like
Conditioning is not the primary subject of Marcelo's talk, and that could understand as just a person who trains BJJ. It's about risking and putting the extra mile effort with also lower BJJ ranks and constant exposing yourself outside a comfort zone.
you know like a, get the lever-ege so you can like a get the like sweep from the gourd
He doesn’t always train like that. In another video he talks about three modes of training
Recall the name or link?
what gear did he use on 2nd round? lol :p
His idea on conditioning is much like mines! He believe in physically evolving in whatever it is that your doing than that's what you do to become superior in all aspects of it....just as how a lion conditions itself to be able to eat he chased down its prey than kill it and the body and mind is worked exactly the way it would be for hunting another meal...its primary to what your doing, and anything else is only secondary to the task at hand
what about mendes bros
With all due respect to this great champion, lifting weights also aids on preventing injuries and rehabilitating. Doing only BJJ is great but you are gonna get hurt and wish you had taken the mix route martial arts/conditioning
there's a specific bjj drill you can do to strengthen your neck. In fact, there are numerous drills to do to get better at bjj
2:45 im afraid Jimbo...
He has the legs of a 250 pound rugby player naturally, not everyone can say the same. I do, but I'm 260 pounds.
I was given the legs of Olive Oil and Peewee Herman
I think some people are missing the point slightly
Marcelo is talking about transitioning to your next move/position and putting all your energy into it, to get your points in competition, rather than sitting and waiting for them to make a mistake
It sounds like it was a competition training session
I agree that going at 100mph during training all the time isn't a good idea, but it will improve your BJJ conditioning, especially for competition.
Great advice. I need to be more explosive. I'm the person that goes borderline too hard but I understand it works both ways. Higher belts still smash me but they know we are going to work. I let go of subs before anyone gets hurt and do them slowly enough to allow a tap. I like rolling when I'm tired because it forces me to use technique more than strength.
It´s true...
I heard he isn't doing ADCC this year :(
WoW
Real life ninja.
I wish I could get my son to understand what MG was getting across.
True cross training won't hurt but I think he is saying that it's not mandatory for BJJ training. Jujitsu was designed to be a complete strength and conditioning regime by Jigoro Kano.
Totally complete conditioning. Yep. Overweight fat brown belts who only do BJJ are totally conditioned. YEP.
Good stuff! My exact concept of jiujitsu train hard in what u train for not because u think its gonna help with your jits game!( lifting,swiming,joging,etc etc etc) lame all mental!
Why doesnt he compete at american tournaments?
So I gas out even at the slowest pace.... :(
Sounds great if you can find a training parter whose not being a baby
I think his body is just genetically very strong/ fit for bjj without lifting, but i think if i where to do the same i would turn back into a very very skinny weak kid. It's obvious it works for him, but i dont share his thoughts on this and dont think it is the way for everybody.
Dude this is my issue now, I was 165 or so with decent muscle, started MMA, dropped to 135-140... very little muscle, very weak...
You probably increased the intensity an thus increased the amount of calories burned from training MMA, but then did not eat enough to counter act that. Gotta eat right or you will lose weight.
not this year
+Brendan 99.18% of people upvote this to down vote this. the rest are (as we know) neutral. no reason to be upset. they are probably a minority ie they don't like his accent or something stupid.
anyways, thanks for the video. Marcelo is a beast.
The real hero is the guy who turned off the timer
No, it certainly couldn't hurt, depending on where you train. But having rolled with Mr. Garcia and his club for a week, I can tell you that you wouldn't need any extra conditioning after rolling that hard and that often. In fact you need to rest.
Anyone else catch the gassed Jon Satava in the back. Purple rash guard.
If what he says is true - then rugby players would just play rugby, soccer players would just play soccer, skiers would just ski, Usain Bolt would just run 100 meters races etc....but they don't. All top elite sports players do all sorts of cross training to improve their base level of fitness - endurance, anerobic threshold, power, strength, flexibility and agility - which helps them perform at elite level. Marcelo can still be an amazing BJJ practitioner and nobody is going to argue about that - he is - but apart from a few genetic freaks - he is wrong about this.
xpat73 I dont think he's talking about all sports, I agree with you on most sports. boxing and grappling are exceptions I think, and with boxing u are probably putting yourself a little more at risk of injury. and with grappling I definitely agree with Marcelo on going super fast and hard really often not just for conditioning, but more importantly to get used to thinking faster. its like chess. some opponents that can come up with better moves than you, cant find those moves in time or dont have the energy to execute properly when you turn the speed of the game/intensity level up.
what about em????????????????????????
God imagine how incredibly ridiculously strong marcello would be if someone put him on an intelligent, catered, S&C program.
if he was put on a s&c program he would be losing something, maybe his timing, instinct, technique. Maybe he would even get weaker at jiu jitsu even though he could lift a lot. S&C is hugely overrated.
he said he already tried, wasnt for him
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From 2:45 to 3:03 = HOLY SHIT. Too bad there is no striking in BJJ because i could only compare that to going in a Boxing Ring for a 1 minute sparring session with a 20 year Mike Tyson going full speed at your ass. That's how intimidating that was to me.
holy shitttt
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MG looks intimidating with his bread.
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I just started bjj 3 months ago and applied this exact approach, result : sprained MCL, partially tore my bicep. I m out for atleast 3 months now. Morale of the story : if you are a white belt take it easy you might hurt yourself or your training partners
You made the typical white belt mistake. As a white belt, you should focus on learning. You don't have any technique to go hard with. So if you're going hard 100% of what you're doing is complete bullshit and you're only doing it because of your fragile ego. You're afraid to tap or to be weak.
I really hate sparring with white belts because of this and whenever a white belt does this to me, I won't care if I injure him and I have injured multiple white belts. Usually, when I crank or pull a sub I start it slowly but with white belts that try this bullshit I try and rip the limb or head off immediately. If you want to try and be a tough guy and waste my time, I'll punish you for it.
Most higher belts have the same approach. So you probably got injured because you were being an asshole. Also, MArcelo's advice was for conditioning training specifically. He doesn't go 100% all the time obviously.
Saad ouali alami Hell yeah fellow white belt I’m on like my 4th or 5th month still new but how about you? Still training?
In other words… if You want to get stronger, faster and better at grappling, grapple away…
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Wake up, look this, go train.
Repeat every FUCKIN day.
im not even sure what to say...but as a white belt i'm going to discourage myself if i keep seeing things like this lol.....
Guy at 3:45 ... gods plan