Keeping it under 5 minutes was great for this video. However other topics do require a “dawn of time” explanation!! Thankfully for us watching we have both that we can watch, if we choose to. Thanks for sharing!
We used to shoot .22lr out of the magnum cylinder in our cheap old heritage rough rider all day. Never had issues plinking soda cans at 25+ yards, and never really had an issue when any negative effects either. Loved that cheap revolver, made me feel like a cowboy back when I was a kid.
You've answered in 5 minutes what hours of internet research couldn't answer honestly. Thank you. Don't interchange ammo. Even if it fits and fires it's not worth it
Thanks for the demo. It's great to simply learn the difference in case size. That explains a lot and hints at the potential risk. I have the Heritage with both cylinders.
When I was growing up as a teenager, I had a rifle in .22 magnum that I really liked. The only thing I didn't like was how much more expensive at the time the ammo was than standard .22 LR. So whenever I was broke and just plinking for fun, I often substituted the LRs for the magnums. It worked, but I ended up having a lot of split casings which got stuck in the chamber and had to be poked out by a cleaning rod. I was too young back then to understand the difference in case width, and so I thought the rounds were interchangeable the same way a .38 will shoot cleanly in a .357. The salesman never bothered to correct me on this when I made my purchase, which considering my young age I regard as downright negligent and irresponsible. So the short answer is, yes you can do it, but in most guns, no you should not. The rounds are just not made to be interchangeable that way, which is a damn shame.
There is a way to make it work though. You can cut or grind off the primer end of an empty WMR case then drill it out with a 5.7mm drill bit and you now have a handy .22 LR to .22 WMR chamber adapter.
@@dkeith45 that would be useful to have a few set aside if you had a bolt gun in 22mag but needed the occasional cheap subsonic round through a can. Hadn't thought of this. I'll get to work testing.
@@raphaelvermin Difficult to say how well the adapters would work in a bolt action. The people I saw use them only used them in break action or revolver firearms.
@@dkeith45 I had considered extraction may be a potential problem. I wonder if just a tiny pinch of loctite blue and let dry would hold the two together for extraction so long as the extractor hand could reach the rim of the LR.
I tried a trick in a Savage 24 that might be worth looking into. It works great but don't know what the velocity was. You can take a .22WMR case and cut the rim off and a .22 lr fits right up inside. This eliminates the gap and the cases don't swell. I tried it so please reserve your"keyboard commando" comments until you try it yourself folks. Something good to know.. I fired more than just once and the case came out only after a little persuasion using a cleaning brush.
For the best fit you can ream the cut WMR out using a 5.7mm drill bit. It can then either be placed into the chamber as is, or for a more permanent solution, glued in with Red Loctite, or soldered in.
I love my Rough Rider! I use the .22LR cylinder for handgun practice, and the .22WMR cylinder for hunting small game such as forest grouse. A pistol is a lot easier to carry in the woods all day than a rifle. Mine has the 6.5" barrel, giving me a tad more velocity, accuracy, and sight radius. :)
Thanks for doing this- I was wondering just how much difference it made. I accidentally fired one like that the other day at the range. Definitely felt the difference.
I didn't know why they had separate cylinders for each round. Learned something today.. I have a 10-shot, single action .17hmr with a 7½" barrel. It's a Chiappa 17-10. I LOVE it! It's also available in .22mag/lr.
If you cut the back end off of a used WMR cartridge (a Dremel is nice for this), it makes a sleeve that GREATLY improves the performance of a .22lr in a WMR chamber. Heck, that might make another GREAT video...
Yep, a spent .22 Mag shell, grind around the rim of casing and knock the back out. You now have a .22 Mag casing tube that will chamber in your .22 Mag. cylinder. A .22 LR, Long (if you can find 'em), or Short can fit inside the casing tube and properly chamber in the .22 Mag barrel. You can then shoot the .22 LR through the spent .22 Mag casing tube, and shoot a round with a bit less power. It takes a little effort with the spent .22 Mag case, but the projectile would better match with the forcing cone on your revolver, no promises however on matching up the bore diameter. As a habit, I save my .22 Mag brass for this very purpose.
Did this accidentally with my rough rider, one cylinder full! I knew something was off just from the sound of each shot, then when I ejected the first shell, I knew instantly of my error!
Lone Star Dude I purposely got a convertible, (in this case Ruger) with a fluted and unfluted cylinder to avoid this. Not unsafe but kinda dumb and the perfect way to create bad habits that can hurt you or others.
John-Paul Silke, not the first dumb unsafe thing I’ve done and bet a T-bone dinner that it wouldn’t be the last! Thank you for calling me out though! BTW the Rough Rider also has a non fluted mag cylinder as well as the fluted .22lr cylinder, I just wasn’t paying attention.
My wife did put several cylinders of 22lr through the 22 mag cylinder of our NAA. She swore the 22 mag cylinder was in there, but it kept splitting the 22lr brass lol. I eventually took it from her and shot one cylinder, the shots were really inaccurate and the ones that did hit the target were “key-holing”. That’s when I knew. Didn’t seem to hurt anything (wasted ammo though), but I wasn’t happy about it.
@@lonestardude6283 as hard as we all try to be safe sometimes a brainfart just happens...and we can do is try to learn without getting hurt,tall order for anyone...I worry about any/all stupidities I commit every day doing whatever,but firearms do need best as we can seriousness...
What I do is cut off the rim from a fired .22 WMR, then you have a perfect brass tube that a .22 LR fits into, now you can shoot a .22 LR in a .22 WMR and the brass won't expand or split. This is a easy way to convert a .22 WMR to .22 LR.
I had the adapters too, they were made of brass that had a slit half way down them to make removal easier, using the method I tried works too. If the adaptors were made of steel then they would be a bit better.
Not sure unless you cut the .22 WMR casing a litle shorter so that the projectile of the .22 LR sticks out so that it would feed into the chamber, I don't have a semi auto to test.
Bought a 6" model with both cylinders for $150 + tax at a local shop. After tightening all the screws (they were all loose) it is insanely accurate for a cheap revolver with fixed sights.
TheWhedgit I paid about $180 for mine with both cylinders with the 4.5" Harrell for my friends 7 rear old son to shoot at the range with me. I shot my Glock 22 a d he had a little trouble limpwristing a Glock 42. The screw holding the EJECTOR mechanism fell out but I found one at a hardware store a and loctited. The gun is a blast to shoot and does a great job shooting both calibers of cci rat shot. I blasted a 1 lb rat in my kitchen from 10 feet away.
I'm glad you made this video! I just bought a Ruger single six with both 22lr and 22WMR and was thinking I'd just use the 22WMR cylinder. That would have been a big mistake and a waste of time at the range. Thanks for making this video Sir!!
I did the same thing with my Rough Rider (I have both .22LR and .22WMR cylinders). I thought I was so damn clever until I had to unload the brass. I saw the deformation, and that little voice in my head chimed in sayin', "Ah, you done screwed up. I wouldn't keep doin' that if were you." Good thing I usually listen to that voice.
But as they lack a hammer block safety and the frames won't stand up to a state standard for melting point, they are illegal, ( along with hi point firearms) in Illinois.
I do a bit of gun smithing as a hobby, and I was asked to look at a .22 revolver that mis-fired almost every round. Turned out that the cylinder was chambered for .22 Mag. ,and LRs were being used. Due to the rather 'loose' tolerances of the gun and oversize chambers, the LRs would lay in the bottom of the chamber and be missed by the firing pin. The ones that DID fire split wide open! I made a new cylinder for him and cured the problem. So, I guess in a better quality gun, (this one was a cheap European model), they might fire most of the time, but as you point out, it's still not the best idea to try.
There is another way to make it work though, if you encounter a similar situation in the future. You can cut or grind off the primer end of an empty WMR case then drill it out with a 5.7mm drill bit and you now have a handy .22 LR to .22 WMR chamber adapter. They can even be glued in with Red loctite or soldered in if you wanted to make a semi-permanent solution.
@@dkeith45 Yeah, I saw an article in 'Backwoodsman' magazine about doing that. If I'm ever stuck with only my Mag. cylinder, that is a good technique to know!!!
Well, TH-cam really came through that time! I had this exact question, and not only did the Video address it, but the comments (despite what you hear about the comments section) were pretty helpful too. I'm definitely going to spend some time with a micrometer now, get a better idea of these bore and case sizes. I always think that the best and most valuable advice is "Don't do that!". Well, have to break down and get some 22 Magnum ammunition I guess. It seems expensive but only in comparison to the 22LR.
I'd like to see that too! I've got a Rough Rider with both cylinders. A fun, inexpensive shooter. When I feel like 'cowboying up' I'll holster my Rough Rider and take my Henry lever action 22 and have a fun time at the range.
Always wondered how it would work. I never tried it because of the size difference no matter how small the difference is I was always afraid I'd have a case become stuck from the fire forming of the case. Thank you for this video. Keep em coming and plink away buddy
When I bought my heritage rough rider the man I bought it from told me that it also came with a 22 mag cylinder. So naturally I thought the extra cylinder in the box was the mag and the one in the gun was LR. I took it straight to the range and started shooting 22 lr. At first I thought dang this thing is not accurate! Then I noticed that the holes in the target were elongated. That clued me in, and I checked the cylinder. I was shooting 22lr from the 22 mag cylinder.
I have 2 of those Heritage 22lr/22wmr revolvers one with the 6 1/2 inch barrel and one with the 4 3/4 inch barrel and they are fun. I'm lucky this year because 22 is the only caliber that has been available half the time this year.
I found your channel & subscribed about a month ago. I really like & appreciate what you do specially with these 22s. I have had a lot of people ask me what's my favorite gun is? & I always tell them a 22. It blows a lot of my friends minds because I have a lot of different large caliber firearms. & I shoot them very regularly. But I'm always with a 22 rather it's a pistol or a rifle. Because I never know when I can have some fun. Thank you for your great videos & I'm looking forward to more videos.
Hey 22plinkster on this video is really awesome but I have shot all three types of ammo out of that handgun the short the LR and the Magnum out of that same Magnum cylinder and never had an issue with swelling it's actually pretty cool what you did and it's really awesome that you do this so thank you
Thanks for the fun video. I have the Ruger sure single six that came with both cylinders. I don’t think I would have tried it but I’m glad you did the experiment. Now the rest of us will know the answer.
I just purchased the Heritage Rough Rider and I have both cylinders. So far I like it a lot! The only down side is that The .22 WMR not only cost more but it is much harder to find.
I inherited an old German heavy two shot Derringer in 22 mag. All the marking were in German and as a kid I fired thousand of rounds of 22lr through it before I discovered I was using the wrong ammo. I never has any trouble with it but the Derringer was way overbuilt for 22 mag and when the Derringer was closed the entire bullet and casing was included so I never noticed any blowback.
I did that with a Ruger Single Six back in 1971 by accident. I only realized what happened when I was ejecting the spent casings. They were very tight and hard to get out. When I looked at them they were slightly bulged out. I have not made that error since then.
Cut the rim off 22 magnum spent cases and then trim the brass tube to just shorter than the length of a 22 lr case. The "adapter" will now hold a 22 lr cartridge. When the round is fired the slightly longer 22 casing will expand and become fitted to the shorter 22 magnum tube. There is still sufficient rim on the spent 22 lr case to allow ejection. The round will be more powerful and accurate like this. Nice video.
Yep, a spent .22 Mag shell, grind around the rim of casing and knock the back out. You now have a .22 Mag casing tube that will chamber in your .22 Mag. cylinder. A .22 LR, Long (if you can find 'em), or Short can fit inside the casing tube and properly chamber in the .22 Mag barrel. You can then shoot the .22 LR through the spent .22 Mag casing tube, and shoot a round with a bit less power. It takes a little effort with the spent .22 Mag case, but the projectile would better match with the forcing cone on your revolver, no promises however on matching up the bore diameter. As a habit, I save my .22 Mag brass for this very purpose.
Interesting, in a kind of the "electrical is out due to the smow & ice storm and I'm at a friends house that's in the still powered zone with mothimg else to do" kind of way. It's amazing that one one-hundreth of an inch in diameter could slow the bullet down at all but, thanks to your test the scientific truth is out there! Thanks & a thumbs up!
Thanks for doing the test and demo so I don't have to!!!! Seeing the shavings / cleaning and possible damage would have been neat but the chorono really answered a lot.
From what I've seen elsewhere, the case bulging, plus some blowback towards the shooter causes the loss of power. There is a way to make it work though. You can cut or grind off the primer end of an empty WMR case then drill it out with a 5.7mm drill bit and you now have a handy .22 LR to .22 WMR chamber adapter.
It's all about pressure. You can do something very similar with a 45 long Colt . You make the case shorter and increase pressure while keeping the load and bullet the same. You can use a 460 s&w to decrease pressure using same load and bullet.
Bought a couple of these last week. Got the nine shot 6.5" with both cylinders, and a 16" barrel 22lr. I'll be getting a 22 mag cylider for it too. Fun guns!
I saw one of those 16" barrels at a gun shop last month....22wmr ought to shine out of it...we have the 6.5 barrel and really want some other wishlist guns first,but still...
I've done this at times i had no access to 22 mag ammo. I accepted velocity loss and noticed little to no degradation in accuracy. Its not ideal, but it works. I don't know how it would be unsafe, 22 mag has higher chamber pressure than 22 lr there is no chance of overpressure or catastrophic failure. What I want to know is why nobody has created a reloading method for 22lr shells.
Most professional gun fighters using revolvers put a coat hanger around their belts in different areas with an end of it sticking up on the front side of the belt where they slide a preloaded cylinder over the end of the hanger. And if you're good after much practice.. you can't switch them out as quickly as most do with semi auto guns using regular magazine cartridges.
There is a way to make it work though. You can cut or grind off the primer end of an empty WMR case then drill it out with a 5.7mm drill bit and you now have a handy .22 LR to .22 WMR chamber adapter. And there is a way to reload .22 rimfire shells. It ain't easy, it's slow, but it's doable. There's a kit you can buy that currently costs around $70 and includes a bullet mold, and tools to clean out the old primer, and instructions how to reload it, using in a worst case situation, match head compound removed from the stick. The site also sells new primer compound and powder, or at least it did. I bet it's out of stock now like just about everything else.
I wish you stated what you were shooting, rifle or revolver. If you had said rifle I might not be commenting; however, there are a lot of new shooters that could take your comment to believe it is going to be always safe to fire LR in a 22 mag chamber. I agree with the Plinkster - it is ill advised and not safe to shoot .22 lr out of a revolver cylinder chambered for .22 mag. I suppose it depends on how you define a "catastrophic failure". True enough, I doubt very much that a .22lr will do anything to damage or harm a well made (good steel) 22.mag revolver or cylinder. As Plinkster said in the video, the cylinder gap on a revolver is the problem. A poorly timed revolver or one firing the wrong ammunition can and will splatter lead off to the side, and/or somewhat to the back when a bullet is not properly in line with the bore slams into the back of the barrel. I have seen a .22 LR revolver spit lead that drew blood on the shooters hand when the cylinder was not in proper alignment with the barrel. Would it be a "catastrophic failure" if that splattering lead hit someone watching in the eyes? Blackpowder guns and revolvers are two of the reasons eye protection is strongly recommend/ even demanded/ at ranges.
To all the people out there who want to try this I'm going to just say this please please use only the recommended ammunition for that particular firearm whichever firearm you are using please!
Before I watch the video , Yes . The case can split if you fire 22lr out of mag cylinder . I did it Decades ago , with out intending to do so . No harm to me or the single six . I had the Mag cylinder in while I was afield and loaded out of my belt like I was used to doing . I had a Flat top that I purchased used that had a 2.5 phantom scope on it . Yes I drilled more than a few woodchucks with the .22 mag . Back in the early 80s a box was $ 5 but I shot more 22lr ( Out of correct Cylinder ) be cause they were that much Cheaper $ 1.25 . I still own another Flat top with the just the one 22lr Cyl ,that spent years on my hip . Nice video that brings back memories .
Shot dozens of 22lr thru my Ruger convertible with the 22 mag cylinder in place and didn't even realize it until I went to clean it that evening. No harm done but I'll be more attentive to which cylinder is in place from now on. Love the guns looks and shooting ability. (Out shoots, in accuracy, my Ruger mk4 6 6/8 barrel)
I just bought 2 of those for kids. Great little guns for teaching and target shooting. Was actually thinking of buying 1 for me because 357 runs up a bill.
I find it funny how many people tell me their single six ruger shoots .22lr great and won't shoot .22mag. I tried to explain to them exactly what you showed here today!!
It also speeds up and slams into the cylinder cone. All .22 rimfire variants shot in there longer counterparts chamber will slam into the ending shelf of the chamber after speeding up in the gap. Unless specifically stated on the gun that it’s .22short long lr whatever. .38 special in a .357 mag also slams into cylinder cone.
You can shoot the 22LR all day long in the 22Magnum . Pressures are only about half of the Magnum round. FPS will vary a bit ,and accuracy will be off. FIX- trim a 22MAG round to make a sleeve. Works perfectly.
Paul Mason for sure but it’s a waste unless you are desperate. Fun experiment that’s very safe, (but not perfectly safe) but still mostly pointless. It’s no different then guns that shoot .357 magnum, .38 special and 9mm. 9mm is typically .354 whilst.38 and .357 are well, .357. It works and is pretty safe but shaving can happen so if you are a rebel and don’t typically wear glasses, then maybe you should at least when doing this dumb party trick.
@@john-paulsilke893 . I shoot it only in a break action single shot, like TC or Chiapa Badger. Same a shooting 9mm, 22lr, 22mag, 44 mag, etc with incerts in a 12 ga.
When I was a kid growing up 50 years ago, I use to shoot 22LR through my Savage over & under all the time because they were less than a buck a box whereas the 22magnum was about 4 bucks a box. Great varmint & rat gun that way.
@@glennelson8017 Mine was previously my grandpas. Circa 1956 model with nickel receiver and gold trigger with welded together barrels instead of the cheap later models with barrel bands. I still have it. Looks like a new one.Mint condition. Love that old gun.
Thanks for doing that experiment I also wondered about that but never was brave enough to try it. Now that I know it is possible if your in a real bind but will not be trying it just to see the case swell and possibly separate.
Try taking 22 mag casings. Saw the rims off. Insert the hollow casings in the cylinders. Then put the LRs inside the casings in the cylinders. Use a Dremel to precisely cut just the rims off the mag casings.
You'll split the cases. Few guns can do it but why take chances. Get an LR gun or a convertible with two cylinders like my Ruger KNR-5. Man, don't screw around, safe shooting is smart shooting.
I have a Ruger single six convertible and I found that I have to shoot high velocity 22lr in order to hit a target, it works fine out to 20-25 yards. The standard velocity rounds I couldn't keep on a 12" target at 10 yards. lol. Who would have thought that bore size and twist rate mattered.
Hey 22plinkster , try this ....make a video .....its really cool ! Shooting from 22lr.matching cylinder . Put a 22 blank cartridge in . Shove a 22 pellet down the barrel . Try it out .... the result is astounding ! I called it the killer 22 ! Penetration is crazy .... much better than the original 22 . Try both .... lead and alloy 22 pellet ... its crazy ! Have fun guys and gals !
So. After he fired his first 5 shots, did anyone else hear Paul Harrell in their head saying, "Now let's go crunch the numbers."?
Too funny. Paul is a legend
Finally, someone did this test on camera, without 5 hours of explanation etc. THANK YOU!
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Keeping it under 5 minutes was great for this video. However other topics do require a “dawn of time” explanation!! Thankfully for us watching we have both that we can watch, if we choose to. Thanks for sharing!
We used to shoot .22lr out of the magnum cylinder in our cheap old heritage rough rider all day. Never had issues plinking soda cans at 25+ yards, and never really had an issue when any negative effects either. Loved that cheap revolver, made me feel like a cowboy back when I was a kid.
You've answered in 5 minutes what hours of internet research couldn't answer honestly. Thank you. Don't interchange ammo. Even if it fits and fires it's not worth it
Even .38 in .357?
@@dominickstewart433that’s different. The bullet and case diameter are the exact same unlike .22lr and .22wmr
22 WMR case diameter is .242 and 22 LR is .226 as per SAAMI spec, much different than the .001 difference you were claiming
Alex Ervin thanks. I was wondering how the case could have swelled so much with only half a thousandth difference on all sides.
Plinkster is probably confused with bore diameters and case diameters!? The LR uses a heel bullet so the case has the same diameter as the bullet.
Yeah, but have you ever seen someone shoot an entire magazine of 9x19 through a 40 s&w Glock? How do these people figure out how to procreate...
He was talking about bullet diameter. The difference in bullet diameter is .001
Thanks, I knew something was wrong with what he said.
Thanks for the demo. It's great to simply learn the difference in case size. That explains a lot and hints at the potential risk. I have the Heritage with both cylinders.
When I was growing up as a teenager, I had a rifle in .22 magnum that I really liked. The only thing I didn't like was how much more expensive at the time the ammo was than standard .22 LR. So whenever I was broke and just plinking for fun, I often substituted the LRs for the magnums. It worked, but I ended up having a lot of split casings which got stuck in the chamber and had to be poked out by a cleaning rod. I was too young back then to understand the difference in case width, and so I thought the rounds were interchangeable the same way a .38 will shoot cleanly in a .357. The salesman never bothered to correct me on this when I made my purchase, which considering my young age I regard as downright negligent and irresponsible. So the short answer is, yes you can do it, but in most guns, no you should not. The rounds are just not made to be interchangeable that way, which is a damn shame.
There is a way to make it work though. You can cut or grind off the primer end of an empty WMR case then drill it out with a 5.7mm drill bit and you now have a handy .22 LR to .22 WMR chamber adapter.
Just buy a look alike 22
@@dkeith45 that would be useful to have a few set aside if you had a bolt gun in 22mag but needed the occasional cheap subsonic round through a can. Hadn't thought of this. I'll get to work testing.
@@raphaelvermin Difficult to say how well the adapters would work in a bolt action. The people I saw use them only used them in break action or revolver firearms.
@@dkeith45 I had considered extraction may be a potential problem. I wonder if just a tiny pinch of loctite blue and let dry would hold the two together for extraction so long as the extractor hand could reach the rim of the LR.
I tried a trick in a Savage 24 that might be worth looking into. It works great but don't know what the velocity was. You can take a .22WMR case and cut the rim off and a .22 lr fits right up inside. This eliminates the gap and the cases don't swell. I tried it so please reserve your"keyboard commando" comments until you try it yourself folks. Something good to know.. I fired more than just once and the case came out only after a little persuasion using a cleaning brush.
I read this trick in a belgium guns magazine in the 80's, and yes, it works, not a bad idea
For the best fit you can ream the cut WMR out using a 5.7mm drill bit. It can then either be placed into the chamber as is, or for a more permanent solution, glued in with Red Loctite, or soldered in.
If you need to do that why not just use WMR ammo.
I love my Rough Rider! I use the .22LR cylinder for handgun practice, and the .22WMR cylinder for hunting small game such as forest grouse. A pistol is a lot easier to carry in the woods all day than a rifle. Mine has the 6.5" barrel, giving me a tad more velocity, accuracy, and sight radius. :)
We burn up .22lr on the range,and load Hornady. 22wnr as plan 'c' home defense...even slow cycling 6 rounds could be of use in a pinch,maybe...
Thanks for doing this- I was wondering just how much difference it made. I accidentally fired one like that the other day at the range. Definitely felt the difference.
I didn't know why they had separate cylinders for each round. Learned something today..
I have a 10-shot, single action .17hmr with a 7½" barrel. It's a Chiappa 17-10. I LOVE it!
It's also available in .22mag/lr.
If you cut the back end off of a used WMR cartridge (a Dremel is nice for this), it makes a sleeve that GREATLY improves the performance of a .22lr in a WMR chamber. Heck, that might make another GREAT video...
Yep, a spent .22 Mag shell, grind around the rim of casing and knock the back out. You now have a .22 Mag casing tube that will chamber in your .22 Mag. cylinder. A .22 LR, Long (if you can find 'em), or Short can fit inside the casing tube and properly chamber in the .22 Mag barrel. You can then shoot the .22 LR through the spent .22 Mag casing tube, and shoot a round with a bit less power. It takes a little effort with the spent .22 Mag case, but the projectile would better match with the forcing cone on your revolver, no promises however on matching up the bore diameter. As a habit, I save my .22 Mag brass for this very purpose.
Did this accidentally with my rough rider, one cylinder full! I knew something was off just from the sound of each shot, then when I ejected the first shell, I knew instantly of my error!
Lone Star Dude I purposely got a convertible, (in this case Ruger) with a fluted and unfluted cylinder to avoid this. Not unsafe but kinda dumb and the perfect way to create bad habits that can hurt you or others.
John-Paul Silke, not the first dumb unsafe thing I’ve done and bet a T-bone dinner that it wouldn’t be the last! Thank you for calling me out though! BTW the Rough Rider also has a non fluted mag cylinder as well as the fluted .22lr cylinder, I just wasn’t paying attention.
Lone Star Dude oh well. If it’s gonna be a dumb thing you are doing this is one of the better/safer choices.
My wife did put several cylinders of 22lr through the 22 mag cylinder of our NAA. She swore the 22 mag cylinder was in there, but it kept splitting the 22lr brass lol. I eventually took it from her and shot one cylinder, the shots were really inaccurate and the ones that did hit the target were “key-holing”. That’s when I knew. Didn’t seem to hurt anything (wasted ammo though), but I wasn’t happy about it.
@@lonestardude6283 as hard as we all try to be safe sometimes a brainfart just happens...and we can do is try to learn without getting hurt,tall order for anyone...I worry about any/all stupidities I commit every day doing whatever,but firearms do need best as we can seriousness...
What I do is cut off the rim from a fired .22 WMR, then you have a perfect brass tube that a .22 LR fits into, now you can shoot a .22 LR in a .22 WMR and the brass won't expand or split. This is a easy way to convert a .22 WMR to .22 LR.
You can also buy adapters. Some seem to work really well with good accuracy, but I´ve never tried them myself.
I had the adapters too, they were made of brass that had a slit half way down them to make removal easier, using the method I tried works too. If the adaptors were made of steel then they would be a bit better.
Rob Pinter Wonder if your trick which feed into a semi automatic?
Not sure unless you cut the .22 WMR casing a litle shorter so that the projectile of the .22 LR sticks out so that it would feed into the chamber, I don't have a semi auto to test.
I did this with a marlin 25 and fixed a 22 lr mag inside the wmr mag and it worked fine !.
Bought a 6" model with both cylinders for $150 + tax at a local shop. After tightening all the screws (they were all loose) it is insanely accurate for a cheap revolver with fixed sights.
TheWhedgit I paid about $180 for mine with both cylinders with the 4.5" Harrell for my friends 7 rear old son to shoot at the range with me. I shot my Glock 22 a d he had a little trouble limpwristing a Glock 42. The screw holding the EJECTOR mechanism fell out but I found one at a hardware store a and loctited. The gun is a blast to shoot and does a great job shooting both calibers of cci rat shot. I blasted a 1 lb rat in my kitchen from 10 feet away.
Wow. That little difference in size sure has a big effect in performance. Thanks!
I'm glad you made this video! I just bought a Ruger single six with both 22lr and 22WMR and was thinking I'd just use the 22WMR cylinder. That would have been a big mistake and a waste of time at the range. Thanks for making this video Sir!!
I did the same thing with my Rough Rider (I have both .22LR and .22WMR cylinders). I thought I was so damn clever until I had to unload the brass. I saw the deformation, and that little voice in my head chimed in sayin', "Ah, you done screwed up. I wouldn't keep doin' that if were you." Good thing I usually listen to that voice.
thanks, i didn't realize that the step down in velocity would be so great.
They're cheap as hell but I love those revolvers. They're accurate and fun and affordable for anybody
But as they lack a hammer block safety and the frames won't stand up to a state standard for melting point, they are illegal, ( along with hi point firearms) in Illinois.
@@ernestclements7398 the rough rider has a hammer block safety. Doesn't it?
@@itsthe5-096 Yes, they do I own one, it's a lever on the left hand side right beside the hammer.
@@literallyramennoodles7393 thanks for informing me. I think I might get one when I'm old enough.
Patrick Jones Knock on wood haven’t saw one yet wasn’t a nail driver
This is the only site to answer this question. Thanks!
I do a bit of gun smithing as a hobby, and I was asked to look at a .22 revolver that mis-fired almost every round. Turned out that the cylinder was chambered for .22 Mag. ,and LRs were being used. Due to the rather 'loose' tolerances of the gun and oversize chambers, the LRs would lay in the bottom of the chamber and be missed by the firing pin. The ones that DID fire split wide open! I made a new cylinder for him and cured the problem. So, I guess in a better quality gun, (this one was a cheap European model), they might fire most of the time, but as you point out, it's still not the best idea to try.
There is another way to make it work though, if you encounter a similar situation in the future. You can cut or grind off the primer end of an empty WMR case then drill it out with a 5.7mm drill bit and you now have a handy .22 LR to .22 WMR chamber adapter. They can even be glued in with Red loctite or soldered in if you wanted to make a semi-permanent solution.
@@dkeith45 Yeah, I saw an article in 'Backwoodsman' magazine about doing that. If I'm ever stuck with only my Mag. cylinder, that is a good technique to know!!!
Well, TH-cam really came through that time! I had this exact question, and not only did the Video address it, but the comments (despite what you hear about the comments section) were pretty helpful too. I'm definitely going to spend some time with a micrometer now, get a better idea of these bore and case sizes. I always think that the best and most valuable advice is "Don't do that!". Well, have to break down and get some 22 Magnum ammunition I guess. It seems expensive but only in comparison to the 22LR.
Man, as a new gun owner...I get it now, guns are so interesting! One is NOT enough!! Very cool vid!
Thank you. I've always wondered why. You answered the question.
Great video thanks
In case anyone is wondering:
409 fps less velocity translates to 68,7% less energy!
(103 J vs. 32 J)
I was hoping he would shoot .22 Magnums for the chronograph to see how they do in that revolver, another time perhaps.
I'd like to see that too! I've got a Rough Rider with both cylinders. A fun, inexpensive shooter. When I feel like 'cowboying up' I'll holster my Rough Rider and take my Henry lever action 22 and have a fun time at the range.
Terry Heick it’s slings Lr pretty good they got a sixteen inch barrel one
Fir the money can’t beat em
Always wondered how it would work. I never tried it because of the size difference no matter how small the difference is I was always afraid I'd have a case become stuck from the fire forming of the case. Thank you for this video. Keep em coming and plink away buddy
When I bought my heritage rough rider the man I bought it from told me that it also came with a 22 mag cylinder. So naturally I thought the extra cylinder in the box was the mag and the one in the gun was LR. I took it straight to the range and started shooting 22 lr. At first I thought dang this thing is not accurate! Then I noticed that the holes in the target were elongated. That clued me in, and I checked the cylinder. I was shooting 22lr from the 22 mag cylinder.
I got the same gun, just with the 6.5 inch barrel. And i gotta say for the price it's amazing.
It's a good day when you learn something helpful
I have 2 of those Heritage 22lr/22wmr revolvers one with the 6 1/2 inch barrel and one with the 4 3/4 inch barrel and they are fun. I'm lucky this year because 22 is the only caliber that has been available half the time this year.
Finally a Good Video that describes exactly what I wanted to know about the Heritage Revolver.
I found your channel & subscribed about a month ago. I really like & appreciate what you do specially with these 22s. I have had a lot of people ask me what's my favorite gun is? & I always tell them a 22. It blows a lot of my friends minds because I have a lot of different large caliber firearms. & I shoot them very regularly. But I'm always with a 22 rather it's a pistol or a rifle. Because I never know when I can have some fun. Thank you for your great videos & I'm looking forward to more videos.
L Franyie yes you can shoot a 22 short, 22 long, and a 22lr out of a 22lr cylinder
That answers my question on the subject. I'd never tried it and never will. Glad you didn't injure yourself. Thanks!
Love watching you "WORK?" Na really you are by far one of if not best shooter I've seen. K.P.F
(Keep Plinking Friend)
Hey 22plinkster on this video is really awesome but I have shot all three types of ammo out of that handgun the short the LR and the Magnum out of that same Magnum cylinder and never had an issue with swelling it's actually pretty cool what you did and it's really awesome that you do this so thank you
Thanks ived learned something Today 😊
I was one who asked this.Thanks plinkster.Now I know and know why.You Rock!
Thanks for the fun video.
I have the Ruger sure single six that came with both cylinders. I don’t think I would have tried it but I’m glad you did the experiment. Now the rest of us will know the answer.
I just purchased the Heritage Rough Rider and I have both cylinders. So far I like it a lot! The only down side is that The .22 WMR not only cost more but it is much harder to find.
Not in Burbank, ca. there’s tons of .22wmr to be had
I inherited an old German heavy two shot Derringer in 22 mag. All the marking were in German and as a kid I fired thousand of rounds of 22lr through it before I discovered I was using the wrong ammo. I never has any trouble with it but the Derringer was way overbuilt for 22 mag and when the Derringer was closed the entire bullet and casing was included so I never noticed any blowback.
I did that with a Ruger Single Six back in 1971 by accident. I only realized what happened when I was ejecting the spent casings. They were very tight and hard to get out. When I looked at them they were slightly bulged out. I have not made that error since then.
Cut the rim off 22 magnum spent cases and then trim the brass tube to just shorter than the length of a 22 lr case. The "adapter" will now hold a 22 lr cartridge. When the round is fired the slightly longer 22 casing will expand and become fitted to the shorter 22 magnum tube. There is still sufficient rim on the spent 22 lr case to allow ejection. The round will be more powerful and accurate like this. Nice video.
Yep, a spent .22 Mag shell, grind around the rim of casing and knock the back out. You now have a .22 Mag casing tube that will chamber in your .22 Mag. cylinder. A .22 LR, Long (if you can find 'em), or Short can fit inside the casing tube and properly chamber in the .22 Mag barrel. You can then shoot the .22 LR through the spent .22 Mag casing tube, and shoot a round with a bit less power. It takes a little effort with the spent .22 Mag case, but the projectile would better match with the forcing cone on your revolver, no promises however on matching up the bore diameter. As a habit, I save my .22 Mag brass for this very purpose.
Just because you CAN it doesn't mean you SHOULD.... lol
lessons from my youth :)
Right the bullet will be slightly off center . Probably not good for the barrel throat or forcing cone .
Awww man
I do it all the time on my trapline. It doesn't hurt anything. It's nice to have the mag for bigger animals and the long rifle for smaller ones.
I did this exact video 6 months ago. I even used the same revolver and chrony.
DEUCE AND GUNS yes you did.
Truth be told I'm probably not the first to do it either.
Good to know that in a pitch, you can shoot lr ammo. At close range, there is enough velocity to get the job done.
I have the same revolver and was wondering this exact question!
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Interesting, in a kind of the "electrical is out due to the smow & ice storm and I'm at a friends house that's in the still powered zone with mothimg else to do" kind of way. It's amazing that one one-hundreth of an inch in diameter could slow the bullet down at all but, thanks to your test the scientific truth is out there! Thanks & a thumbs up!
Thanks for doing the test and demo so I don't have to!!!! Seeing the shavings / cleaning and possible damage would have been neat but the chorono really answered a lot.
Ruger single 6 revolver. Dual cylinders. Easy to shoot accurately. Love it !!!!!
thanks for taking us along, Plinkstah..!!
From what I've seen elsewhere, the case bulging, plus some blowback towards the shooter causes the loss of power. There is a way to make it work though. You can cut or grind off the primer end of an empty WMR case then drill it out with a 5.7mm drill bit and you now have a handy .22 LR to .22 WMR chamber adapter.
thanks man, gonna do this to a PMR 30. i hate how big the cp33 is, can't carry it. now i have a concealable 33 round .22lr gun!
@@or6060 Hm. Dunno if it would work in a auto. I've only tried it in a revolver.
@@dkeith45 ill fuck with the springs. make it work
@@or6060 It's worth a shot, but I'll be surprised if the cartridges feed since they're so much shorter.
Thanks for taking one for the team! Interesting!
Thanks for the info, I was thinking of the same idea with a sleeve for my cheep 100$ dollar Hatfield shotgun. But now I'm going to buy both sleeves.🤪
Thanks for a great video and for answering a question that I often get in such a manner that I have no problem showing this to friends and students.
That was pretty useful information. Doing that is something I've wondered about for some time.
Same here. Glad I didn't do it! I would have, eventually.
It's all about pressure. You can do something very similar with a 45 long Colt . You make the case shorter and increase pressure while keeping the load and bullet the same. You can use a 460 s&w to decrease pressure using same load and bullet.
Thanks. You answered all the questions I always wanted to ask.
Appreciate you getting right to the point and providing information that is useful. Yet, some people will not be able to understand 😑.
rhanks, I don't know how many times I have heard this discussed. and thanks again for finally putting the argument to bed.
Bought a couple of these last week. Got the nine shot 6.5" with both cylinders, and a 16" barrel 22lr. I'll be getting a 22 mag cylider for it too. Fun guns!
I saw one of those 16" barrels at a gun shop last month....22wmr ought to shine out of it...we have the 6.5 barrel and really want some other wishlist guns first,but still...
I've done this at times i had no access to 22 mag ammo. I accepted velocity loss and noticed little to no degradation in accuracy. Its not ideal, but it works. I don't know how it would be unsafe, 22 mag has higher chamber pressure than 22 lr there is no chance of overpressure or catastrophic failure. What I want to know is why nobody has created a reloading method for 22lr shells.
Most professional gun fighters using revolvers put a coat hanger around their belts in different areas with an end of it sticking up on the front side of the belt where they slide a preloaded cylinder over the end of the hanger. And if you're good after much practice.. you can't switch them out as quickly as most do with semi auto guns using regular magazine cartridges.
There is a way to make it work though. You can cut or grind off the primer end of an empty WMR case then drill it out with a 5.7mm drill bit and you now have a handy .22 LR to .22 WMR chamber adapter.
And there is a way to reload .22 rimfire shells. It ain't easy, it's slow, but it's doable. There's a kit you can buy that currently costs around $70 and includes a bullet mold, and tools to clean out the old primer, and instructions how to reload it, using in a worst case situation, match head compound removed from the stick. The site also sells new primer compound and powder, or at least it did. I bet it's out of stock now like just about everything else.
I wish you stated what you were shooting, rifle or revolver. If you had said rifle I might not be commenting; however, there are a lot of new shooters that could take your comment to believe it is going to be always safe to fire LR in a 22 mag chamber. I agree with the Plinkster - it is ill advised and not safe to shoot .22 lr out of a revolver cylinder chambered for .22 mag. I suppose it depends on how you define a "catastrophic failure". True enough, I doubt very much that a .22lr will do anything to damage or harm a well made (good steel) 22.mag revolver or cylinder. As Plinkster said in the video, the cylinder gap on a revolver is the problem. A poorly timed revolver or one firing the wrong ammunition can and will splatter lead off to the side, and/or somewhat to the back when a bullet is not properly in line with the bore slams into the back of the barrel. I have seen a .22 LR revolver spit lead that drew blood on the shooters hand when the cylinder was not in proper alignment with the barrel. Would it be a "catastrophic failure" if that splattering lead hit someone watching in the eyes? Blackpowder guns and revolvers are two of the reasons eye protection is strongly recommend/ even demanded/ at ranges.
Awesome video and my wife loves her Rough Rider.
Wow, those were some huge variances in the control group lol.
To all the people out there who want to try this I'm going to just say this please please use only the recommended ammunition for that particular firearm whichever firearm you are using please!
wish u had tested the magnum velocity
17 hmr out of 22 mag
150 fps. You are better off using your bb gun at that point.
Hmmmm....maybe...maybe. I think you got something there. Saves on buying a new gun.
Garras Porgratix doubt it. Bullet would bounce around in the barrel a shit ton.
Before I watch the video , Yes . The case can split if you fire 22lr out of mag cylinder . I did it Decades ago , with out intending to do so . No harm to me or the single six . I had the Mag cylinder in while I was afield and loaded out of my belt like I was used to doing . I had a Flat top that I purchased used that had a 2.5 phantom scope on it . Yes I drilled more than a few woodchucks with the .22 mag . Back in the early 80s a box was $ 5 but I shot more 22lr ( Out of correct Cylinder ) be cause they were that much Cheaper $ 1.25 . I still own another Flat top with the just the one 22lr Cyl ,that spent years on my hip . Nice video that brings back memories .
Shot dozens of 22lr thru my Ruger convertible with the 22 mag cylinder in place and didn't even realize it until I went to clean it that evening. No harm done but I'll be more attentive to which cylinder is in place from now on. Love the guns looks and shooting ability. (Out shoots, in accuracy, my Ruger mk4 6 6/8 barrel)
I just bought 2 of those for kids. Great little guns for teaching and target shooting. Was actually thinking of buying 1 for me because 357 runs up a bill.
Awesome shooting Dave
TRY .17 HMR, also really glad I watched this their website advertises using it for both 22wmr and 22lr like it's totally chill
I find it funny how many people tell me their single six ruger shoots .22lr great and won't shoot .22mag. I tried to explain to them exactly what you showed here today!!
No wonder Federal AutoMatch has been inaccurate in my MP 15-22. Those velocities were varying wildly.
It also speeds up and slams into the cylinder cone. All .22 rimfire variants shot in there longer counterparts chamber will slam into the ending shelf of the chamber after speeding up in the gap. Unless specifically stated on the gun that it’s .22short long lr whatever. .38 special in a .357 mag also slams into cylinder cone.
You can shoot the 22LR all day long in the 22Magnum . Pressures are only about half of the Magnum round.
FPS will vary a bit ,and accuracy will be off. FIX- trim a 22MAG round to make a sleeve. Works perfectly.
Paul Mason for sure but it’s a waste unless you are desperate. Fun experiment that’s very safe, (but not perfectly safe) but still mostly pointless. It’s no different then guns that shoot .357 magnum, .38 special and 9mm. 9mm is typically .354 whilst.38 and .357 are well, .357. It works and is pretty safe but shaving can happen so if you are a rebel and don’t typically wear glasses, then maybe you should at least when doing this dumb party trick.
@@john-paulsilke893 . I shoot it only in a break action single shot, like TC or Chiapa Badger. Same a shooting 9mm, 22lr, 22mag, 44 mag, etc with incerts in a 12 ga.
For giggles I’ve fired .380 out of my M&P 9mm. They’ll fire and pretty accurate however not enough recoil to cycle the slide.
Yeah but this guy would shoot that .380 in a .40 or .45 cal gun. Just to see if it can be done.
When I was a kid growing up 50 years ago, I use to shoot 22LR through my Savage over & under all the time because they were less than a buck a box whereas the 22magnum was about 4 bucks a box. Great varmint & rat gun that way.
Out of a rifle is slightly different but I know and love those savage over under guns,mine was .410 and .22
@@glennelson8017 Mine was previously my grandpas. Circa 1956 model with nickel receiver and gold trigger with welded together barrels instead of the cheap later models with barrel bands. I still have it. Looks like a new one.Mint condition. Love that old gun.
@@glennelson8017 Those were great guns but sadly now, rare as hens teeth.
Did it for years! Split a few cases but no problems.
I am just tickled the Plinkster is shooting a Heritage Rough Rider...so many people have only hate for that pistol
Oh sweet I just bought one of those rough riders thanks!
I love TH-cam.....the one place where anybody can come in and tell someone else not to do something but THEY can because they are a professional.....
This is awesome 😎! I just saw a 22lr revolver, for like $240. Northwest Fire Arms.
Thanks for doing that experiment I also wondered about that but never was brave enough to try it. Now that I know it is possible if your in a real bind but will not be trying it just to see the case swell and possibly separate.
Good video!! Right to the point!! This video answered all my questions I had about this. Thanks!
Excellent video, and thanks for clearing up this question.
He said "you really shouldn't try it" and that was good enough for me
Try taking 22 mag casings. Saw the rims off. Insert the hollow casings in the cylinders. Then put the LRs inside the casings in the cylinders. Use a Dremel to precisely cut just the rims off the mag casings.
Excellent. I don’t have to try it to know. Thank you for posting.
Cool. I have that gun :) Just ordered the Mag cylinder :) Thanks for this. I won't ever try this, scary.
You'll split the cases. Few guns can do it but why take chances. Get an LR gun or a convertible with two cylinders like my Ruger KNR-5. Man, don't screw around, safe shooting is smart shooting.
The 22 LR bullet is slightly smaller than 22 Mag so you won't get a good gas seal hehind the bullet. Accuracy will be more of a pattern than a group.
I have a Ruger single six convertible and I found that I have to shoot high velocity 22lr in order to hit a target, it works fine out to 20-25 yards. The standard velocity rounds I couldn't keep on a 12" target at 10 yards. lol. Who would have thought that bore size and twist rate mattered.
@Don Thursby I believe the difference between the bullets is negligible. It's only .001
I had the question, you answered it. Easy Peasy!! Thanks.
Hey 22plinkster , try this ....make a video .....its really cool ! Shooting from 22lr.matching cylinder . Put a 22 blank cartridge in . Shove a 22 pellet down the barrel . Try it out .... the result is astounding ! I called it the killer 22 ! Penetration is crazy .... much better than the original 22 . Try both .... lead and alloy 22 pellet ... its crazy ! Have fun guys and gals !
You are starting to get in the realm of Uncle Sasquatch science!
Thanks, you saved me ammo and time ❤️❤️❤️❤️